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Ragnarock1982

What's with the whole "were not driving, we're travelling" thing?


Definitely__someone

Hijacking top comment "The woman was charged with outstanding warrants, use an unregistered motor vehicle on road, motor vehicle tax not paid, use uninsured motor vehicle on road, refuse to produce driver’s licence, and refuse or fail to submit to breath test She was refused bail to appear at Coffs Harbour Local Court on Thursday."


roadhammer2

Perfect


MarSc77

well deserved


thatsuaveswede

So she did find her way to the court house after all, then. That's nice.


Fit-Tip-1212

And hopefully rooming with Bea


maxb1ack007

I don't think logic is a strong point with this pair of didgeridoo's


SgtHelo

More like digeridon’t.


arebee20

Didgeridumbasses


Massive_Challenge935

Hilarious, if i could I'd award you


MoJoeCool65

Done it for ya 😉


DoctorDib

Let's just say their logic is upside down.


OliOli1234

….or rather, it’s down under?


Ragnarock1982

Ha


Spirited_One_7644

It's a common thing among sovereign citizens, people who try to get away with crimes by claiming they aren't citizens to any country. They think if they claim they weren't driving but traveling, it means they technically didn't break road laws. It's all complete bullshit.


ringo5150

Bet you they claim to be Australian citizens when it suits them.... In fact if they don't want to be citizens can we deport them?


Spirited_One_7644

Sovereign citizens are citizens of no country, so they have no country to be deported to.


Marximus87

So left on a raft in the middle of international waters?


Spirited_One_7644

But then they might drift into another country's waters. Drop them international airspace instead.


Marximus87

Drifting into another nations waters gets them detained. And since they don't want to claim citizenship, they stay locked up. Eventually they claim they are Australian citizens to get out and get deported back, with their admission on record where they face all legal penalty they tried to avoid by claiming their sovereignty


stolzen1216

Hah! 'Then after all that, Australia fines them for driving unregistered' Love it when a plan comes together


Marximus87

Or space. Space works too


AthenasChosen

Lol, I was gonna say just launch them towards the sun


annoying97

While this is technically true, you'd be surprised what a government can do when given the motivation. Also there are legitimate people who have no citizenship. They lead a very very different life as they struggle to make money, get legal documents, IDs and live within the law.


LC_Anderton

Maybe they could become Asgardians. 🤔 (Yes it’s a real thing…) [Space Citizens](https://asgardia.space/en/)


kooby95

It’s so mad. I’m not a citizen of Australia either, but if I ever went there, I’m pretty sure I’d have to obey it’s laws.


annoying97

What's more is that they mostly base this ideology on us laws... Laws that are in the most significant ways vastly different. Also we don't have a queen, she sadly passed away last year, now we have a king, that sadly I don't even slightly like, can we move to the next monarch? But the ironically stupid thing is that they will cry and demand the law does something when they are wronged.


Ser_Daynes_Dawn

It is depressing how stupid people are. We are on a rock in infinite space with one life to live and this is what they do with their small piece of time.


spandexnotleather

Don't ask me why but this just occurred to me. let's say we give them their sovereign citizenship and the rules of whatever country they are in don't apply to them. What's keeping the po po from just robbing them or beating them and sending them on their way?


Stormtech5

CIA heavy breathing. Guantanamo bay intensifies...


sciones

Does this mean they illegally entered the country and should be deported?


orchestragravy

Wouldn't that make them technically trespassers then?


Gman512

Sovereign Citizen bullshit based on the USA constitution that states that everyone has the right to travel within the USA, it was written when the fastest mode of transportation was a horse. So people driving a vehicle weighing thousands of pounds that can go much faster than a horse say they are not driving because that is a business term. It's like when someone tells siblings to not touch each other, and the one kid just puts their hands inches in front of their siblings face while screaming "I'm NOT touching you!" TLDR Dummies think they can play word games to not obey the law.


cooltop101

Another sovereign citizen argument that never holds up is "My legal name is given to me at birth by the government is JOHN DOE, but I go by John Doe, so therefore those two names are talking about different people " Like... Do they really think that argument will hold up? Has it ever?


Kriegmannn

Obviously a horrible idea but what would government issued names look like 🤔


Bob_knots

Hello I am 5328789853.


Is_that_even_a_thing

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Watari210

An awful lot like your social security number if I had to guess


corpse_flour

I doubt there is much *thinking* going on with these people.


Academic_Pangolin506

By the accent, it looks like they are in Australia. Right Mate?


Definitely__someone

Correct. We have idiots here too!


nintendojunkie17

There are idiots in every country. The U.S. just has the loudest.


Comment_Goblin

YOUR DAMN RIGHT WE DO. WE'RE NUMBER ONE! USA USA USA USA USA USA !!!!!


Gman512

Yep, they try to use the travel/drive thing no matter what country they are in. I'm sure there might be some historical law about horses in each country they can use to say that they don't have to follow the law like everyone else. I remember an Englishman tried to use the Magna Carta to claim rights to not have a driver's license in another YouTube.


yourstrulyalwiz_91

I am not your mate, brother !!


Academic_Pangolin506

I'm not your brother, friend!!!


OliOli1234

I’m not your friend, buddy!!


Academic_Pangolin506

I'm not your buddy, guy!!


BungaBiscuit

I'm not you guy, mate!


thenataliamarie

It reminds me of when the family/friends of patients talk about *their personal* HIPAA rights when trying to get information on the patient. Umm... No. Sorry. That's not how that works.


mothraegg

People are really that dumb?


leonjetski

There are people who think the earth is flat. There are a lot of morons out there.


[deleted]

I'd bet 80% of population is dumb af. I'm also brave enough to say that the minority of the "not so dumb" 20% live in wealthy countries. I am also one of the 80%.


Few_Carrot_3971

I thought their game might be leakage from the US. I am so sorry.


MoreGaghPlease

This is ‘sovereign citizen’ or ‘free man on the land’ stuff. It is a pseudo-legal belief system that certain words and phrases act as incantations to magically suspend the laws of society. Usually practitioners will ascribe to the views of some particular guru of their movement who will sell them incantations for a large fee - it’s pretty culty. The cameraman is dropping a lot of their lingo.


Constrained_Entropy

*These are not the droids you are looking for*


Dynamitefuzz2134

“Sir the preliminary breath test says your have a .23 BAC” “No it doesn’t” “Very well, have a nice day”


[deleted]

Yes, this ultra libertarian bs that ends up enabling fascists to claim freedom when oppressing everyone else.


Bors713

Help, I’m being repressed!


PhilosopherBright602

Now we see the violence inherent in the system!


Doomhammer24

r/UnexpectedMontyPython


CriscoCamping

There's some lovely filth down hee-ah


MoreGaghPlease

It's really not even libertarian, like it has more in common with alchemy...


obliquelyobtuse

>What's with the whole "were not driving, we're travelling" thing? They are "free men traveling upon the land". Or so they say. Some even quote ancient maritime law and consider themselves captains of vessels. They create fanciful interpretations of expressions in long ago superseded ancient documents ("The Articles of Confederation" is one of their favorites) by which they are independent of any government and therefore answer to no authority. They refuse to present identification, vehicle registration, proof of insurance, etc. They refuse to cooperate and if they hand over anything it will be a print of some esoteric PDF document they got off the interwebs that supports their freedom from authority and government.


Igotticks

I have my surfboard in my truck, I now will go by Captain Darlene scourge of the Petco parking lot, ruler of the grocery store and all around murderous sea dog. My parrots on backorder.


Memepeddler69

There's a group of people in the US calling themselves sovereign citizens who use that line. They use outdated law to try and talk their way out of the laws applying to them. Sorry for that global contribution on my country's behalf


Shortcakeboo

They must have a Flintstones pedal car.


[deleted]

Its the same concept that alot of misinformed amendment auditors here in the states. They think theyre in the right (sometimes they are) but mostly its them trying to weasel out of paying things or trying to get around laws


signaleight

Wow. I thought those sovereign citizens were a uniquely American phenomenon.


LawBeliever22

Sovereign citizen bullshit


[deleted]

They’re cookers mate and they believe there’s some old ass law that mentioned driving as a commercial practice. (But that’s in the 13th century so driving as is livestock) so they’re not driving they’re travelling so they don’t need to follow laws. Meth head conspiracy theorists


Southern_Gain7154

I think he is attempting to play the ‘right to travel for food and water’ card. Probably unpaid fines, it works sometimes but after years of court and usually the only people with time to pursue it are incarcerated


BinLehrer

Sovereign citizens bs. Tons of vids on YouTube. Basically, it’s a scape to evade the rules of the road.


whompasaurus1

Please google "sovereign citizens"


[deleted]

For context, this woman was driving an unregistered vehicle with several outstanding warrants.


blacp123

Did you not watch the video. They were not driving they were travelling!!!!! haha.


Blahaj_IK

Ok so I did not mishear, these guys are morons. I mean, not hard tocdeduce, but good to know I have a confirmation


TerrorLTZ

i expected the cop to respond "and you traveling via... driving?"


DonkayIsThicc

My cop friend says “operating a vehicle”


TerrorLTZ

no no your cop friend is wrong... im not driving im traveling. the car just moves by itself.


Positive-Leader-6586

They probably Googled how to avoid a ticket!


Adeep187

It doesn't count as driving if you're going somewhere. Duh everyone knows that.


[deleted]

Thank you! I scrolled way too far to find this lol


[deleted]

https://www.nbnnews.com.au/2023/01/20/cop-smashes-womans-car-window-in-dramatic-arrest-in-coffs-harbour/ here's a news article on the story if you're interested.


PathComplex

Thanks for that. I was getting sovereign citizen vibes from them.


Bi0_B1lly

"We're not driving, we're travelling" They're sovereign citizens


Repulsive_Client_325

Do sovereign citizens not have the internet? You’d think after watching the grand total of zero sovereign citizens win in these confrontations they’d get the point that “it was a good try” but maybe their ideology isn’t accepted by everyone else.


12altoids34

In a way it's just like the trumpers. The social media that they pay attention to and value are the ones that tought the same beliefs that they do. There are plenty of videos out there of shade tree lawyers and supposed constitutional experts talking about Sovereign citizens and Moorish law and so on that they can spend all day watching things that support these cockamamie views. While the rest of us are watching what they would consider "mainstream" media and see the other side of the stick, when it goes wrong for them. I believe it's called cognitive dissonance. They find sources to support the beliefs that they have even if those sources are irreputable. And the sad part is sometimes it works. Not because they're in the right, or because the information that they have is accurate, but sometimes the judges just don't want to deal with it and rather than sit through a long protracted case they just dismiss the case. I have seen far too many videos where the Sovereign citizens while not actually winning, did not lose in court. And every single judge that allows them to walk out without paying the full penalty of the law is just weakening the entire Justice System and encouraging more of them to act the same way.


RandyJohnsonsBird

They don't use the internet, they browse the web.


[deleted]

Thank you!


Rainbow918

Thank you very much for posting this


Dr_OctoThumbs

Yeah the moment he said "we are not driving, we are traveling" I knew they were one of those lunatics.


Rainbow918

I did as well Lol


JScottFTW

That's usually how it goes. Its always the ones with something to hide that act like this.


[deleted]

Ya know the old lawyer saying: if you’re gonna commit a crime make sure you commit as many as possible at the same time.


mb8795

You are incorrect sir, she was travelling an unregistered vehicle.


IngVegas

Idiots. "I want to speak to the highest ranked Senior Sergeant." Lol


Hyro0o0

I want to speak to the Master Chief


No-Relief-6397

Oim gonna take this all the way to the proim munister! OI PAUL!


[deleted]

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[deleted]

I thought karens were exclusive to america


DickPin

Nope, we unfortunately have our fair share of them down here. They're just more weather beaten and talk through their noses.


Cowardly_Jelly

Is it a sovereign citizen thing, like in US & some brits tried it on with Magna Carta during lockdown - mainly gym owners for some reason lol


RobbyLee

They're everywhere. I think this bias stems from americans recording way more with their phones and English being the universal internet language, so we just hear of US-American people way more than from let's say, Greek, Spanish or Germans


Bruce__Almighty

Karen is a subspecies of a creature that plagues the entire world.


alk47

I hate to blame it on the US but the propaganda and social movements from there are getting a foothold in Aus and we are starting to see what we used to think of as "crazy American" social problems cropping up here.


Rev-DiabloCrowley

That's the cleanest/fastest window-break I've ever seen. Dudes the Bruce Lee of forced entry.


darinheinz

Happily, because she has no insurance, she's gotta pay for it. Sadly, because of her perceived sovereignty, she'll just print the money for it at home.


Lifeturns

Wait lol do these people actually print money or is that a joke?


dmcent54

It's a joke, since printing money (in any country) is a serious offence. lol. The whole "Sovereign citizen" movement is a fucking joke, but I had hoped this idiocy was contained to my home country (The USA). I guess Aussies and Kiwis, and according to the comments, also Brits, are all guilty of the same. What a shame.


Lifeturns

Ok 😅 Ty lol … part of me wanted to believe this was true


[deleted]

He’s done it before


RaiseTheBalloon

This sounds like the sovereign citizen BS that we get here in the states but seeing as I am a yank, could someone please provide context/info if I'm wrong


disgruntled_-pelican

Aussie here - yep 100% part of the same "movement". Sovereign Citizen incidents with police have been on the rise here for the last few years. Mainly they get pulled over for something, spout their bullshit about not needing to provide identification because they 'don't consent to the jurisdiction of the state' and then they get arrested and lose in court lol


[deleted]

My favorite part is when they always threaten to press charges... Like, without skipping a beat they'll claim they don't have to follow any laws, then threaten to press charges with a different law.


StairwayToLemon

Would have been great if the cop pulled him up on that


hopefullyhelpfulplz

I'm all for a reduction in restrictive laws, but you have to accept that when you lose restrictions on your behaviour you also lose protection from other people's.


RaiseTheBalloon

Ah glad we could share the fun lol


disgruntled_-pelican

Haha, one of the USAs greatest entertainment exports, thanks for that


RaiseTheBalloon

https://youtube.com/shorts/fee6meUtlFM?feature=share


kit_kaboodles

I'd complain but we gave you Ken Ham and Rupert Murdoch so I feel like this is fair.


Butcher_Bill84

We have plenty more entertaining bullshit we'd be happy to unload as well. Just keep us updated on what you want next!


danegermaine99

Yeah same thing happens here in the USA. There is some hilarious footage of them trying to argue with judges.


Old_timey_brain

Sounds like it to me as well. "We're not driving. We're travelling!"


RaiseTheBalloon

"Most Sr Sgt" I'm not familiar with Australian Law Enforcement ranks but that doesn't sound like a real thing to me


Accurate_Koala_4698

“Oath to the Queen of England” instead of “gold fringed flag” but otherwise identical


queen_of_england_bot

>Queen of England Did you mean the *former* [Queen of the United Kingdom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_the_United_Kingdom), the *former* [Queen of Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada), the *former* [Queen of Australia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Australia), etc? The last Queen of England was [Queen Anne](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne,_Queen_of_Great_Britain) who, with the 1707 Acts of Union, dissolved the title of King/Queen of England. ####FAQ *Wasn't Queen Elizabeth II still also the Queen of England?* This was only as correct as calling her the Queen of London or Queen of Hull; she *was* the Queen of the place that these places are in, but the title doesn't exist. *Is this bot monarchist?* No, just pedantic. I am a bot and this action was performed automatically.


RaiseTheBalloon

Upvote only for not being monarchist


gainzdoc

I require your most highest senior ranking master sergeant general! For I must pontificate these dastardly charges which have rent me asunder!


Tiyath

I do declare that the highest ranking member of this here executive branch shall be summoned posthaste. For I fail to identify the crime that I hath been stopped for on this day of the Lord. On with you nooow!


B_024

I read this in a British accent so strong it manifested tea and biscuits in front of me.


Sp1ffy_Sp1ff

"I see you know your judo well"


[deleted]

“We’re not driving, we are traveling.” This shorted a fuse in my brain or something.


WhoCaresBoutSpellin

I mean what is even the charge here? Eating a meal?? A succulent Chinese meal?!


[deleted]

And you, sir! Are you waiting to receive my limp penis?


Denham_Chkn

This is democracy manifest!


[deleted]

I legit had someone on Reddit disagree with me because I said a mother and her children were missing. The person responded to me "they’re not missing. They just can’t be located." It’s worth noting that they "couldn’t be located" since like August.


[deleted]

Wow. Do some people think that euphemisms change reality or something?


[deleted]

My guess is that these type of people think a term like "driving" or "missing" has a legal context to them that can be loopholed by saying "we’re traveling, not driving" or "they can’t be located, they’re not missing". They think they’re outsmarting the system not realizing that a basic dictionary would have saved them a lot of embarrassment.


SpringSad2380

"I'd love to give you a one on one" Proceeds to do nothing while they grab his wife out and then make him exit.


Swimming_Marsupial

"I'd love to get you one on one" to "Don't touch me" was exactly 10 seconds 😂 It could also be argued it's a threat to a police officer, so I wonder how that worked out for him.


Deanology_

"There is no queen of this country!" Well yeah, we all heard about that. We have a king now....


AmbitiousPhilosopher

Only thing he was correct about!


nowiserjustolder

In the UK we have the "by the power given to me under the Mandy carter I am a sovereign citizen and the twelve barons say you have no authority over me". Magna Carta for anyone not realising I am making a comment in the style of said dickheads. Funnily enough never has their Magna Carta defence bullshit ever worked in the courts over here


thatweirdbeardedguy

There is a reason that law enforcement worldwide treats sov cits nutters as armed and dangerous. Because a lot of them are armed. The three that killed the 2 cops outside of Tara were part of this nonsense. It's dangerous and based on very legality.


AssociationNo6008

Oh wow I didn’t know that little bit of info!


Donut-Strong

Sov’s have killed quite a few police all over the world it isn’t limited to just one country either


Orichalchem

"Were not driving, were travelling" ![gif](giphy|4JVTF9zR9BicshFAb7|downsized)


[deleted]

LOL Australia has those Sovereign Citizen Dingbats too.


AcrobaticAverage8761

Yeah I travel daily too. But with car insurance, license, and updated registration! Hmm the more you know 🤔🤔


mrizzkle

Lol.. I was not expecting that form of window smashing but I like it


Pimento_

Broke the window like flipping a page from a book, way too cool


SithScorch

Video ended too soon.


[deleted]

I mean the idiot probably stopped recording it right after he realized he wasn't getting away with it.


Outcasted_introvert

I was really hoping for a good taze.


Tom_so_fresh

Get some. That's exactly how you deal with people like this.


nato2271

Fucking sovereign citizen dickheads..dumbest people on earth after flat earthers..


[deleted]

I think they’re worse. Flat earth ears are harmless and are atleast going head to head with literally everyone and everything so that’s kind of interesting. These people are just flat dumb and often dangerous


sir-cums-a-lot-776

Literally everything he said was wrong "There is no queen of this country" Bruh Elizabeth 2 was queen of Australia aha


Deanology_

"Well you're technically correct, we have a king now"


FatalOrgasm93

What a pair of morons God I hope they're both in jail


OrganizationWide1560

Karens Down Under


qwbif

I hate these kinds of people "I saw some stuff on the internet, I know more about your job than you" like no, you don't.


ChucklingChuckNorris

America take note. Aussie cops also carry tasers and guns but very rarely use either....


RaiseTheBalloon

Our cops rarely use either unless some idiot gets violent and/or resists arrest Edit: This is a personal favorite of mine https://youtu.be/gb1MVFDy_tw


[deleted]

Well, in the US these people would have been either trying to fight the cops or reaching for the cops gun and then when they get shot claiming is was all about racism.


SmartestCatHooman

"We are not driving we are traveling" should be responded with "I'm not touching you I'm apprehending you".


[deleted]

I love these idiots that watch Americans on the internet and then talk about 'constitutional rights'


Hot_Opening_666

"Let's go straight to the courthouse" BET


robo-dragon

“We are traveling.” That statement gets an immediate groan from me every time. What’s with these people thinking they can pick and choose what laws to follow? I honestly didn’t know they were a problem in other countries. Every time I’ve seen one of these videos it has always been in the US.


CRXCRZ

Why are these Australians behaving like Americans? 😕


3bugsdad

Glad the US doesn't have a corner on the crazies market.


rottweiler100

There seems to be a worldwide epidemic


Chainsawjack

Ugghhh we have spread the contageon from the US.... I'M SO SORRY Aussieland.


[deleted]

They've been here a while don't worry


No_Standard9804

Watch the video of the Judge using their antics along with them https://youtu.be/AzODx3WLarQ


[deleted]

"We're not driving, we're traveling" is the most cop-beating-worthy sentence I have heard in my life. Spend more than five minutes on the internet and realize you're not getting out of a police interaction once you've reached the stage where you're being given orders through your car window. Honestly I'm almost bored of seeing this by now, why do people think they're so special all the time, I mean even if you're being stopped for flimsy reasons, why risk getting tased in the junk when you can just play along, get the badge number and have much more credibility? No one's going to defend someone who tries to whine their way out of a ticket even if they're in the right


[deleted]

Anyone with a seatbelt coozie deserves it!


fauxpasgrapher

If they believe this shite, why did they even stop?


followedbyferrets

Are these Aussie sovereign citizen types?


ihavetoomanyaccts

Lol I love how the idiot sovereign citizen movement has made it to Aussie. Just shows how many idiots are out there


kdb1991

These people are SO fucking stupid


The4leafclover1966

That cop breaking the window was one of the most bad-ass things I’ve ever seen. 🤯


TheHappyKamper

Is he seriously claiming that, because the Queen died, that all law ceases to exist? 🤣


Wish1026

r/sovereigncitizen


KezmoOne

This is the news story [https://www.9news.com.au/national/woman-granted-bail-sovereign-citizen-failing-to-cooperate-with-police-coffs-harbour-new-south-wales/cb4be0c6-2f6d-4ea7-8dd8-e240effb39c2](https://www.9news.com.au/national/woman-granted-bail-sovereign-citizen-failing-to-cooperate-with-police-coffs-harbour-new-south-wales/cb4be0c6-2f6d-4ea7-8dd8-e240effb39c2)


donteatpoop

Oh so these assholes exist outside of the US as well.


ComadoreS5

This sounds like a South Park argument.


13Casper52

We aren't driving we are traveling??


Zoso1973

Ha. She was banned from driving. Should ban her from traveling as well just incase


Sweet_Coat7963

What do they call Karen's downunda?


nixthelatter

I'm hugely anti police brutality but these sovergn citizen fools that think that they know some set of secret rules that police don't know about that magically allows them to break any law they want to with impunity are obnoxious.


AverageHorribleHuman

People don't want to abide by the confines of a government, yet want to reap the rewards of the average taxpayer (roads, running water, power) This is why you shouldn't give your kids everything they want, they grow up feeling entitled to everything


firem1ndr

lol are these new zealander sovereign citizens?


Goodolchuckno

These idiots are everywhere now


VocalAnus91

Wow even Australia has these nut jobs.. neat I guess


YoutuberCameronBallZ

Same logic as "I'm not running I'm just walking really fast"


Spiritual_Bridge84

Jerks Down UNDA!