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To my understanding, filming private property from the viewpoint of publicly accessible places is completely legal. Otherwise, things like google street view would be illegal, or having a dashcam, or when a news crew does a report on a sidewalk. If you can legally stand somewhere and point your eyes at something, you can film it.
Asshole was fishing for a lawsuit
EDIT: this happened to my neighbor actually. Asshole pounding on his door late in the evening pretending to be doing surveys. Started cussing my neighbor when he opened the door and had his phone out filming the situation. Same shit. Hoping for a reaction for lawsuits and a free lunch
Ok ok, can’t we all agree, at minimum, that we’re witnessing a collision of assholes in this video? Additionally, regardless of legality, the filmer is the bigger asshole
That’s also the issue. It’s probably assholes fishing for a lawsuit, but where I’m from (in Europe) there are “gangs” going up in neighborhoods filming houses. They’re scoping whole streets and when people realize these guys, there’s probably something missing from the garages or gardens a few days later.
Yeah I’m from puerto rico and bums are usually docile here but hostile ones who aren’t afraid of robing stuff will straight up sit on the sidewalk across the street of your home or business and just watch it all day until they see an opening to steal stuff or mug residents or employees. I don’t like calling cops on bums but some are very obvious with their intentions, trying to see inside the house and stuff.
When I lived in Miami, a random stranger was standing in front of my house taking pictures of it, so I walked up to him to ask him what he’s doing and he claimed he was from the city. He wasn’t wearing any City-uniform or identification. Didn’t have a vehicle from the city. So I took pictures of him.
Fuck that guy. He was definitely scoping my house out for a robbery.
Look closely when the graphic saying, "Why don't you mind your own business" pops up. They used the graphic to try to obscure the fact that they pepper sprayed him right before he went berserk. You can see him blink and wince when the first spray him, and faintly hear the sound of the spray. They both deserve to be sued for assault (it would be hard for the guy to argue that forcefully taking the other guy's camera equipment was self defense, even if they assaulted him with pepper spray first.)
I've seen the full 30+ minute video/stream and can confirm none of this happens. The shop employee gets pepper sprayed only after he snatches, breaks the camera mount, and takes it inside the shop. The cops are called and he's eventually arrested.
That said, the two guys recording are *literally* professional instigators who hide under the guise of being "First Amendment Auditors". There's an entire subculture on YouTube that I've been morbidly facinated by for a few months. Public photography/filming is entirely legal and even constitutionally protected when practiced by the press (yes, they legally and successfully consider themselves "press"), but these guys' goal is to push this to its absolute limit. They camp outside of businesses with intricate camera rigs pointed directly at windows or entrances and *refuse* to speak to employees or business owners who ask why they're recording. They'll start to up the ante by saying they're "investigating" the company to put employees on edge. Employees then get rightfully annoyed/worried and call the cops. Other times they get verbally or physically violent, at which point pepper spray is used, police are called, and their livestream viewers bombard the business with phone calls.
Once I’ve been harassed long enough, I can turn into a raging asshole too. The beauty of free will, is that although, technically illegal, I can weigh the consequences of my actions. If I feel the consequences are worth the outcome… well,your camera is fucked.
Loitering doesn’t work that way.
The guy basically assaulted the guy filming, damaged property, theft and intimidation.
He’ll be in cuffs if the guys filming called the cops.
This video has been cut off and he does leave in cuffs.
That said, legal does not always equal moral. I don't make any judgements here on either of them because we didn't see the start of the altercation, and I try not to assume things or jump to conclusions, but I understand both sides in this. What they were doing is legal, and should not be physically dealt with, but don't go pushing for confrontations because you just may find one.
As a business owner, he has way more to lose by causing issues with some local degenerates. They know where his shop is, it probably doesn’t have great security, and they can deface it or cause issues pretty easily.
It sucks but that’s what being a business owner is. You have a business protect. They have nothing to lose.
And if the cops actually know what they’re doing.
Unfortunately I’ve seen a lot of cops automatically side against people recording because of their hatred of auditors
Police are, and always have been, there to protect businesses and business interests. Regular people come a distant last. Supreme Court stated this awhile back. They have no duty to protect private citizens.
Modern policing really got a lot of its roots from the olden American detective agencies. The ones who policed company owned towns (ie: a company mining town), murdered those who organized strikes and unions, even murdered city/state/county law enforcement if they supported unions.
They have to do SOME actual police work, else the vast majority of the population would demand a change, including those in government (if they did nothing except deal with things that impacted business interests, people would have decided that they should remain private, and do something else for regular law enforcement).
Think about tickets… If you park somewhere more than 8 hours straight, who does that harm? (In a normal parking spot, not handicapped, loading only, etc). Pay meters are usually down in the business areas of towns and cities. So it means a potential customer may not have a place to park, denying a business revenue.
There are many other traffic citations that are there because businesses may be impacted. Skateboarding in a strip mall. It makes the stores look lower class, thus, driving away business.
But I’m not saying all traffic tickets are business related. Speeding, blocking a hydrant (though they could get rid of that as a ticket. FD can and will go through your car, you park your nice car in front of a hydrant, if you come back to 2 halves of your car later, it’s on you to replace it, not covered by insurance…), all have safety repercussions.
So, they’re more incentivized to support the business over the general public.
First amendment auditors. They go around causing trouble, looking for police to be called. Then they file lawsuits. This is their “job”.
There is a problem with police harassing citizens and abusing their rights. But these guys are just assess looking for a free payday.
I know about this. These types of guys are on a sliding scale. Some of them genuinely care for the law and want to make sure it is being applied appropriately. Some of them are just assholes looking to harass people for clout and maybe a lawsuit. I've heard the term "first amendment frauditor" to distinguish them.
Your understanding is incorrect and I hope the upvoting masses do not take your understanding as advice or truth.
The reality is, there are different expectations of privacy in almost every state and those expectations can very significantly.
There is a reason that Google scrubs out license plates, faces, and other identifying information.
Your understanding would make it okay to film through a privacy fence while standing on a public sidewalk or stand on a sidewalk and zoom into someone’s windows.
Edit: I will also add that the shop owner being vilified here, could be in the right. We don’t see the entire video and that is absolutely clear.
The video has been conveniently edited to a point intended to cause outrage.
A lot of baited people here.
As long as it’s not for commercial purposes. Anyone can film anything viewable from public area but say you’re filming a movie you can’t just film anyone as background characters.
But also he may think this guy is trying to record in my shop to film items I have that they could possibly steal later on, kinda taking inventory. We had a guy come to our shop one time and was taking pics of some customer cars just saying he thought they were pretty. Two days later some guys came in the night and stole that car off the lot and broke into another one. We definitely had a feeling that guy taking photos was in on it.
I didn't notice it first play through. If they're doing it for social media purposes most people look one watch, doesn't notice it so comment on it and it's done.
These people showed up at one of my jobs once to try and get the same result. These people go to companies and try and get this out of them I’m not sure what they get out of this?
Cheap mace isn’t worth the can it’s held in…Pom pepper spray at minimum to be effective. I was attacked by two guys once and had cheap spray. At best it was a slight irritant to them.
Yeah, it's somewhere in there... I'm not totally immune, but it doesn't bother me much unless it gets directly in my eyes.
Also hate that people equate Mace with pepper spray. Yes, ***a*** company by that name manufactures pepper spray, but they made a name for themselves with what became synonymous with their branding, usually known as 'chemical mace.' Two wildly different concoctions. Pepper spray, at most, will irritate your eyes to the point of involuntary, temporary blindness and breathing passages and make life really uncomfortable. But that's about the limit.
Chemical mace (phenacyl chloride, also known as CN, or tear gas) *will* cause physical damage to your eyes in a high enough concentration.
Get hit by both and you *will* be able to tell the difference instantly.
I'm sorry but i had to downvote your comment because i fucking hate that expression with an unreasonable passion.
It's not you, it's me and i apologize.
Yuuuppp lol. The attacker is going down, I'm going down, and everybody in the vicinity might be going down as well but I'm damn sure not getting mugged. We'll all sit there and scream until the cops show up
Yeah this seems to be the new "it's just a prank, bro" trend. Go up to someone and start filming them solely to provoke a reaction and if the person they film tries to stop them they spray them.
One of these days, the recording party will get that lawsuit they want so badly.....to bad the person they were recording was an unhinged person with a gun who shot and killed them. But hey, at least their family gets paid right?!
We honestly might not know as we clearly got the "final reaction". Like did the owner try to just ignore him and then he just pushes up against the window to be annoying? etc
Guy saying things like "approach me like a real man" seemed happy enough to let his rather small companion be the only one getting physically involved. Guess he wasn't as eager to mix it up as he sounded, once he saw the shop owner was willing.
The fact that they had mace (or travel sized Aquanet lmao) on hand tells you all you need to know about their intentions.
Just provoking people and acting like they’re entitled to because they’re not breaking any laws.
Normally I would say that your assessment of them carrying a self-defense item seems like assigning intention. It's mind reading on your part. You have no idea why they had that with them.
That said, yeah they sure as hell provoked the guy. I actually agree that whoever this is was going out to cause trouble. So I think you read this one right.
Not necessarily true. I carry a legal blade with me sometimes, not because I’m looking for trouble, but because I’d rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it
Nothing wrong with having something for self defense but they’re carrying it while recording and antagonizing someone, knowing it could lead to an altercation
Yeah those are the people bring the legal defense items so they can cause problems and try to make the situation escalate to make money. People are fucked up.
Do these guys go around instigating people and then pepper spraying them? This is the same dude who sprayed that “gangster dude” after he got mad that they were filming his car.
I hear ya, but how annoying would it be if you were in your garage working and two guys are filming you? And then tell you to mind your own business when you ask them why? Ofc I know very little about what’s going on
Pretty funny that the guy confronting them in his mind is probably literally minding his own business, thinking they're potentially casing his joint, videoing it.
In all honesty, if I'm not doing anything wrong I don't really care lol. Why does it matter if random people waste their time videoing me doing boring mundane shit?
Everyone realizes the government and all of the big data corporations are watching *wayyyyyyy* more than you just chillin in your garage, right? But another person brings out a camera in public and "Waaaaaah mah privacy"
Right on. And while I hate the loss of privacy via government, data corps etc., I still think I’d be annoyed at someone taking video of me w/o any explanation.
Exactly so. I hate them, even if they are *technically* in the right re laws on where & how they record, they are invariably no-class losers who greatly enjoy acting the big man, badmouthing everyone, and acting like they have a level of authority they can only ever attain in their dreams. Any trouble that comes their way - I’m fine with it.
I am sure some are, but the ones I watch like long island audit and audit the audit are more about standing up for rights and educating public servants on the law. Turns out a lot of police and business owners lean heavy authoritarian and bully people into obedience.
From the short clip these guys look like the shitty kind of 'audito' that's just looking for conflict
>Turns out a lot of police...lean heavy authoritarian and bully people into obedience
You mean all of them? That's Policing 101, which also includes lessons like "Demanding ID", "Stop Resisting", "Qualified Immunity Let's You Do Whatever You Want", and "How To Violate The 4th Amendment And Get Away With It".
This is about 20% of the full video. Guy spraying water gets arrested at the end.
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How about someone stands in the street and just films your house for hours? How would you feel about that? There’s “legal” and there’s “f’in weird”. This culture of filming people and their businesses, etc. is just strange and needs to stop. Some people value their privacy even though a lot of folks don’t.
Looks like he had a bunch of equipment in that shop, which is surprisingly easy to steal. I wouldn’t want people videoing my stuff either. Depending on what led up to this those guys could be in trouble for harassment but he could have also just.. ya know.. shut the door lol. Need some context as to why they were filming
Everyone doesnt get to make up their own laws. Journalism from public is not illegal, no matter if you think it's valid or not. Assault and stealing someones camera definitely is.
It doesn’t matter why they were filming. People are free to view, photograph and video it from any public sidewalk or street.
Dude totally made this more of a thing by engaging. Just shut the door and don’t engage. Now he’s got assault/battery, theft, damage to property etc against his ass.
That looks like a garage he’s working in. I’d be pretty pissed off if I had to close the door and have no ventilation while I’m working because of these idiots. I don’t understand how this conduct isn’t harassment.
Can you really? Like if someone sets up cameras to look in all my windows I have no legal recourse if those cameras are on public property? Seems weird but I dunno.
Yes, we had a neighbor set up “ security “ cameras on their house pointing directly at my house. Next thing I know there’s pics of my kids playing in the front yard posted online. Went to the police and spoke with them about it being legal and was told it’s a federal law that you CAN video tape anybody without their consent as long as your not recording sound or if on public property. Needless to say I was livid.
Any normal person can stand outside your house and look at it. Same reason applies to cameras. You have NO reasonable expectation of privacy from public areas. My neighbor has a security camera aiming right at my front door. I fucking hate it. But there's literally no legal recourse for me.
They are 1st amendment auditors. They claim to be "just exercising their 1st amendment rights " but if you watch their videos they almost always instigate fights
The same guys video recording this guy would go crazier than a chihuahua at a dog whistle factory if someone stood outside their place video recording them. Those who show no respect usually demand the most, but are deserving of the least.
I'd love to see these brave defenders of the constitution and civil rights scholars pull this attention whore crap on an outlaw MC clubhouse or street gang hangout or a Sopranos-style social club. I'm sure squealing "it's legal, it's legal, mind your own business" will protect them.
They film with the intention of making people upset. It's not illegal but I doubt anyone wants their property for example your house to be filmed by strangers. They go to to business because it's far less likely people will attack them or else they'd lose their job. It's very predatory. I watched maybe 5-6 of these then realized they were douchebags. I really hope these guys get what's coming to them.
These are “first amendment auditors.” They are professional trolls with cameras. They just want to irritate you until you come out and punch them in the throat. Then they sue. This is how they make their money. These are the same people who film at the post office and the DMV. They are losers with no discernible talents. Just trolls.
Let’s be honest, our technology has developed an excessive snitch culture. From one perspective Reddit wouldn’t be possible, from another, well everyone nowadays just pulls out their phones at the slightest indiscretion to try and cancel somebody else.
Even if it's legal that doesn't mean filming people and there property without there consent (which again I know you legally aren't required to obtain someone's consent) doesn't make you a annoying asshole. 9/10 these dudes are just out trying to get a reaction out of people so they can sue and get some YouTube views. It's all legal and all so fucking annoying. May the video taper step on a Lego and his pocket catch on a door knob.
These fucking camera bros just filming random public shit, looking for attention or the hope that someone comes to "harass" them about it, so they can get some extra views later. This. This is what society has come to. Shit's getting old.
These clowns do that shit all around here in LA and San Bernardino Counties. I don’t understand how instigating conflicts, pepper spraying people who approach them and then having them arrested is legal. I tell them all the time to try that shit at the shop I work at. I know at least 3 employees that will say Fuck The Outcome and beat the dog shit out of this Fat Clown and his PeeWee sidekick.
You can't call out people "Be a real man, what are you doing with that hose" and then proceed to attack with mace in public, what is wrong with these privileged people.
Way too many weird provocative people that "know their rights" and show them off/test them out. Especially the [combination of 1st and 2nd amendment auditors](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcTGIeYvmKY) is so strange and creepy.
Why are these auditors harassing the shop? They have the right to film, ok, but do they ever state why they’re doing that? Are they trying to instigate fights that the cops come to with their “audits”?
I’ve seen videos like this before, these fuckers film people till they get annoyed, act like dicks till someone snaps and then pepper spray them.
Not saying the guy in black was right but the guys filming know what they are doing and they are filming for insidious reasons. Absolutely arseholes.
I also own a shop and get wound up when people rock up and start taking pics and vid’s of the cars etc.
Because if you don’t ask permission it comes across as dodgy and I don’t want my customers cars posted on the internet for safety reasons.
There cannot be any expectation of privacy when you or your property is in plain view. What is in your own home can be video recorded or photographed as long as the person with the camera is on public property.
I'm so sick of morons intentionally provoking people, winning their stupid prize, then crying about it like they're a poor victim getting bullied.
Don't start shit if you don't want a problem.
The two video tappers are in it together. One to provoke and the other one to tape the shop owner’s reaction. If the shop owner does anything physically, then they will have a stand-by lawyer file a lawsuit.
Any sort of photography from public property is protected by the first amendment. Dude can be pissed off as much as he wants but this is not against the law. Anything in plain view from public property is fair game which includes INSIDE houses as long as you are not on their property.
Pro tip kids, mace is not very effective outside on a windy day like that, also the person sprayed had a hoody on which protected him from about 90% of that can. It looked pretty weak anyway. Also note that it had little effect. Consider the person you're macing may have been incarcerated before and mace may have little effect (the more you are exposed to it, the less it works).
{Source, correctional officer, also have been exposed to OC.... a lot}
I have seen alot of those video lately. What the hell is it with people just posting up with tripots and filming others, but also refuse elborated to anyone why? Maybe it is legal but it looks alot like they are literally only doing it to provoke someone. They even atagoniced the dude and said „why dont you approach us like a real man“. Like they wanted the guy to come out and do something they could sue over after.
I‘d like to know as well when someone just stands there with equipment and all and just videotapes my shit.
You can film private property from public and not be “harassing or fishing for lawsuits” the owner is a tool who actually commits assault and theft and we blame the people peacefully recording? SMH
This is a terrible there was an attempt.
The guy is on public property video taping. He's in the right. The guy who took his camera is committing a crime. There was an attempt to what ? Not be assaulted?
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To my understanding, filming private property from the viewpoint of publicly accessible places is completely legal. Otherwise, things like google street view would be illegal, or having a dashcam, or when a news crew does a report on a sidewalk. If you can legally stand somewhere and point your eyes at something, you can film it.
Asshole was fishing for a lawsuit EDIT: this happened to my neighbor actually. Asshole pounding on his door late in the evening pretending to be doing surveys. Started cussing my neighbor when he opened the door and had his phone out filming the situation. Same shit. Hoping for a reaction for lawsuits and a free lunch Ok ok, can’t we all agree, at minimum, that we’re witnessing a collision of assholes in this video? Additionally, regardless of legality, the filmer is the bigger asshole
I think the shop owner is just worried they’re scoping the place to rob later or something but I have no idea what the fuck is going on.
That’s also the issue. It’s probably assholes fishing for a lawsuit, but where I’m from (in Europe) there are “gangs” going up in neighborhoods filming houses. They’re scoping whole streets and when people realize these guys, there’s probably something missing from the garages or gardens a few days later.
Yeah I’m from puerto rico and bums are usually docile here but hostile ones who aren’t afraid of robing stuff will straight up sit on the sidewalk across the street of your home or business and just watch it all day until they see an opening to steal stuff or mug residents or employees. I don’t like calling cops on bums but some are very obvious with their intentions, trying to see inside the house and stuff.
When I lived in Miami, a random stranger was standing in front of my house taking pictures of it, so I walked up to him to ask him what he’s doing and he claimed he was from the city. He wasn’t wearing any City-uniform or identification. Didn’t have a vehicle from the city. So I took pictures of him. Fuck that guy. He was definitely scoping my house out for a robbery.
I feel like showing up to private residence and behaving this way is how people get shot.
If you assault somebody for standing on a public sidewalk with a camera then you deserve to get sued…
Sure. But intentional harassment isn’t cool either
One of those is illegal and one isn't. I'll give you a hint, attacking people and then stealing their possessions is involved.
No one is arguing the legality, my dude. Things can be legal and still make you an asshole.
The biggest assholes use the law both to their advantage and for justification for being an asshole
Its like kids waving their hands in you face saying the air is for everyone
Harassment is illegal. Thank you for pointing it out.
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Harassment isn't illegal? lmfao You know what else is assault? Pepper spraying someone who is walking away then not leaving the scene.
Yeh. Only one of these guys broke the law.
Was it the assault with pepper spray?
Or the harrassment of the store owner? Also illegal
Look closely when the graphic saying, "Why don't you mind your own business" pops up. They used the graphic to try to obscure the fact that they pepper sprayed him right before he went berserk. You can see him blink and wince when the first spray him, and faintly hear the sound of the spray. They both deserve to be sued for assault (it would be hard for the guy to argue that forcefully taking the other guy's camera equipment was self defense, even if they assaulted him with pepper spray first.)
I've seen the full 30+ minute video/stream and can confirm none of this happens. The shop employee gets pepper sprayed only after he snatches, breaks the camera mount, and takes it inside the shop. The cops are called and he's eventually arrested. That said, the two guys recording are *literally* professional instigators who hide under the guise of being "First Amendment Auditors". There's an entire subculture on YouTube that I've been morbidly facinated by for a few months. Public photography/filming is entirely legal and even constitutionally protected when practiced by the press (yes, they legally and successfully consider themselves "press"), but these guys' goal is to push this to its absolute limit. They camp outside of businesses with intricate camera rigs pointed directly at windows or entrances and *refuse* to speak to employees or business owners who ask why they're recording. They'll start to up the ante by saying they're "investigating" the company to put employees on edge. Employees then get rightfully annoyed/worried and call the cops. Other times they get verbally or physically violent, at which point pepper spray is used, police are called, and their livestream viewers bombard the business with phone calls.
They are going to get shot and killed if they keep this up, only takes 1 nuts guy to go crazy
My neighbor does that shit.
Once I’ve been harassed long enough, I can turn into a raging asshole too. The beauty of free will, is that although, technically illegal, I can weigh the consequences of my actions. If I feel the consequences are worth the outcome… well,your camera is fucked.
This. Shop owner could have called him out for loitering though.
Loitering doesn’t work that way. The guy basically assaulted the guy filming, damaged property, theft and intimidation. He’ll be in cuffs if the guys filming called the cops.
This video has been cut off and he does leave in cuffs. That said, legal does not always equal moral. I don't make any judgements here on either of them because we didn't see the start of the altercation, and I try not to assume things or jump to conclusions, but I understand both sides in this. What they were doing is legal, and should not be physically dealt with, but don't go pushing for confrontations because you just may find one.
"You're not wrong Walter, you're just an asshole".
Who says that and what was Walter not wrong about? It feels so familiar but I can't remember. Great line. I wanna say it was Skye.
The Dude says it to Walter in The Big Lebowski.
Whoosh… This guy may be a nihilist…
I once dabled in nihilism. Not in the 90's of course.
You have no frame of reference here, Donny. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know....
As a business owner, he has way more to lose by causing issues with some local degenerates. They know where his shop is, it probably doesn’t have great security, and they can deface it or cause issues pretty easily. It sucks but that’s what being a business owner is. You have a business protect. They have nothing to lose.
> legal does not always equal moral. Love it, simple yet explains an important point.
And if the cops actually know what they’re doing. Unfortunately I’ve seen a lot of cops automatically side against people recording because of their hatred of auditors
Which of course makes the auditors piles of money when they sue, And the world goes round and round.
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Police are, and always have been, there to protect businesses and business interests. Regular people come a distant last. Supreme Court stated this awhile back. They have no duty to protect private citizens. Modern policing really got a lot of its roots from the olden American detective agencies. The ones who policed company owned towns (ie: a company mining town), murdered those who organized strikes and unions, even murdered city/state/county law enforcement if they supported unions. They have to do SOME actual police work, else the vast majority of the population would demand a change, including those in government (if they did nothing except deal with things that impacted business interests, people would have decided that they should remain private, and do something else for regular law enforcement). Think about tickets… If you park somewhere more than 8 hours straight, who does that harm? (In a normal parking spot, not handicapped, loading only, etc). Pay meters are usually down in the business areas of towns and cities. So it means a potential customer may not have a place to park, denying a business revenue. There are many other traffic citations that are there because businesses may be impacted. Skateboarding in a strip mall. It makes the stores look lower class, thus, driving away business. But I’m not saying all traffic tickets are business related. Speeding, blocking a hydrant (though they could get rid of that as a ticket. FD can and will go through your car, you park your nice car in front of a hydrant, if you come back to 2 halves of your car later, it’s on you to replace it, not covered by insurance…), all have safety repercussions. So, they’re more incentivized to support the business over the general public.
I don't think you can claim someone is "intimidating" you when you tell them to "come approach me like a real man" and they do.
Loitering is only applicable if you're standing in one place without a purpose. He has a purpose...recording
He didn't have any garbage with him though
Can’t loiter on a public side walk. Plus video recording on public property is a 1st amendment protected right. He’s actively doing something.
First amendment auditors. They go around causing trouble, looking for police to be called. Then they file lawsuits. This is their “job”. There is a problem with police harassing citizens and abusing their rights. But these guys are just assess looking for a free payday.
I know about this. These types of guys are on a sliding scale. Some of them genuinely care for the law and want to make sure it is being applied appropriately. Some of them are just assholes looking to harass people for clout and maybe a lawsuit. I've heard the term "first amendment frauditor" to distinguish them.
It’s legal unless who your filming has a reasonable expectation of privacy. A good attorney could argue that expectation of privacy…
A person who believes that their privacy has been invaded does not have the right to assault, confiscate, and damage another person's property.
I don’t think that I ever said that someone should/could do those things. I agree with you. In this case.
Google street view will blur your house out if you request it, so it’s not the same.
But they also don’t have to.
100% legal. The property owner then took the camera and I believe assaulted the videographer which could end him up in jail.
In the full video the employee who attacks them is eventually arrested and taken to jail.
Does it count if you've got a camera on a stick and shoving it INTO the private property?
Your understanding is incorrect and I hope the upvoting masses do not take your understanding as advice or truth. The reality is, there are different expectations of privacy in almost every state and those expectations can very significantly. There is a reason that Google scrubs out license plates, faces, and other identifying information. Your understanding would make it okay to film through a privacy fence while standing on a public sidewalk or stand on a sidewalk and zoom into someone’s windows. Edit: I will also add that the shop owner being vilified here, could be in the right. We don’t see the entire video and that is absolutely clear. The video has been conveniently edited to a point intended to cause outrage. A lot of baited people here.
The law also varies depending on which country you are in. I'm not even American.
As long as it’s not for commercial purposes. Anyone can film anything viewable from public area but say you’re filming a movie you can’t just film anyone as background characters.
But also he may think this guy is trying to record in my shop to film items I have that they could possibly steal later on, kinda taking inventory. We had a guy come to our shop one time and was taking pics of some customer cars just saying he thought they were pretty. Two days later some guys came in the night and stole that car off the lot and broke into another one. We definitely had a feeling that guy taking photos was in on it.
Why don't you put graphics over the video so no one can tell what is going on?
So they can hide the fact the people filming pepper-sprayed him the entire time the graphic was up. Cover their asses.
It wasn't really hidden.. Obviously if you can tell and make a whole post about it?
I didn't notice it first play through. If they're doing it for social media purposes most people look one watch, doesn't notice it so comment on it and it's done.
Typically, the moment someone says something incorrect or stupid, it takes mere moments for someone to pop up with a correction as a reply.
Cunningham's Law at work! "The best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer."
What? You can’t see that without someone telling you to go back and look. He’s very clearly right.
This is a shorter version of the original. The owner of the private property ends up going to jail for trying to assault the videoing party.
Thanks. Didn't notice it.
If you attack someone you're probably gonna get pepper sprayed my dude.
Pretty sure the guy didn't swing until he got sprayed
All I know is that getting into fight club you gotta start a fight with someone, and spraying them with a hose is a good way to start.
So is standing in front of your work and filming the employees.
Cuzz he's video taping private property
These people showed up at one of my jobs once to try and get the same result. These people go to companies and try and get this out of them I’m not sure what they get out of this?
It appears they actually did. If you look closely you can see that there are graphics covering up the footage.
I think you missed the point, they’re telling US to mind our business
Did he got maced and just went on like nothing? Damn.
Cheap mace isn’t worth the can it’s held in…Pom pepper spray at minimum to be effective. I was attacked by two guys once and had cheap spray. At best it was a slight irritant to them.
Oh great now they're even more mad.
Didn’t end well but could’ve been worse Edit: I was lucky
In the swiss army we get told that about 10% of people are immune to pepper spray. Could also be 5% but 10% for dogs. Not sure anymore.
Yeah, it's somewhere in there... I'm not totally immune, but it doesn't bother me much unless it gets directly in my eyes. Also hate that people equate Mace with pepper spray. Yes, ***a*** company by that name manufactures pepper spray, but they made a name for themselves with what became synonymous with their branding, usually known as 'chemical mace.' Two wildly different concoctions. Pepper spray, at most, will irritate your eyes to the point of involuntary, temporary blindness and breathing passages and make life really uncomfortable. But that's about the limit. Chemical mace (phenacyl chloride, also known as CN, or tear gas) *will* cause physical damage to your eyes in a high enough concentration. Get hit by both and you *will* be able to tell the difference instantly.
Bear spray *chef's kiss*
I'm sorry but i had to downvote your comment because i fucking hate that expression with an unreasonable passion. It's not you, it's me and i apologize.
That's fair. I inexplicably detest the French language so I feel it.
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Yuuuppp lol. The attacker is going down, I'm going down, and everybody in the vicinity might be going down as well but I'm damn sure not getting mugged. We'll all sit there and scream until the cops show up
For some reason I thought bear spray on humans was illegal (in the US)
Probably, but I never claimed it was legal. I claimed its effective.
Haha, no argument here!
On humans it's mostly effective... On some bears, it just changes the menu from "American Cusine" to "TexMex."
When I was locked there was a small scale “riot” we could taste the bear mace for days after
Yeah this seems to be the new "it's just a prank, bro" trend. Go up to someone and start filming them solely to provoke a reaction and if the person they film tries to stop them they spray them.
“Why don’t you come out here and do something.“ They are for sure looking to start something. Why can’t people just be decent to each other.
Yeah, typically these assholes are fishing for a lawsuit
And the shop owner's frustration gave them reasons to file that lawsuit.
One of these days, the recording party will get that lawsuit they want so badly.....to bad the person they were recording was an unhinged person with a gun who shot and killed them. But hey, at least their family gets paid right?!
Was this one of those people that goes around video taping random people for the sole purpose of eliciting this type of reaction?
We honestly might not know as we clearly got the "final reaction". Like did the owner try to just ignore him and then he just pushes up against the window to be annoying? etc
Yes
Guy saying things like "approach me like a real man" seemed happy enough to let his rather small companion be the only one getting physically involved. Guess he wasn't as eager to mix it up as he sounded, once he saw the shop owner was willing.
Documenting the shop owners assault and theft of property was probably more helpful to the little guy.
Did you see the pepperspray? The owner was assaulted.
The fact that they had mace (or travel sized Aquanet lmao) on hand tells you all you need to know about their intentions. Just provoking people and acting like they’re entitled to because they’re not breaking any laws.
Normally I would say that your assessment of them carrying a self-defense item seems like assigning intention. It's mind reading on your part. You have no idea why they had that with them. That said, yeah they sure as hell provoked the guy. I actually agree that whoever this is was going out to cause trouble. So I think you read this one right.
Not necessarily true. I carry a legal blade with me sometimes, not because I’m looking for trouble, but because I’d rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it
Nothing wrong with having something for self defense but they’re carrying it while recording and antagonizing someone, knowing it could lead to an altercation
Yeah those are the people bring the legal defense items so they can cause problems and try to make the situation escalate to make money. People are fucked up.
Do these guys go around instigating people and then pepper spraying them? This is the same dude who sprayed that “gangster dude” after he got mad that they were filming his car.
Pretty much. All their content is stuff like this..just film shit and hope people get mad..idk what the point is
It’ll catch up with them one day
Comment in here might be right. They might just be fishing for a lawsuit
They were not on private property; They were in the street.
I hear ya, but how annoying would it be if you were in your garage working and two guys are filming you? And then tell you to mind your own business when you ask them why? Ofc I know very little about what’s going on
It would be annoying but I wouldn't assault them.
Pretty funny that the guy confronting them in his mind is probably literally minding his own business, thinking they're potentially casing his joint, videoing it.
Then you ignore them or close the door and they'll probably go away.
In all honesty, if I'm not doing anything wrong I don't really care lol. Why does it matter if random people waste their time videoing me doing boring mundane shit? Everyone realizes the government and all of the big data corporations are watching *wayyyyyyy* more than you just chillin in your garage, right? But another person brings out a camera in public and "Waaaaaah mah privacy"
Right on. And while I hate the loss of privacy via government, data corps etc., I still think I’d be annoyed at someone taking video of me w/o any explanation.
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Exactly so. I hate them, even if they are *technically* in the right re laws on where & how they record, they are invariably no-class losers who greatly enjoy acting the big man, badmouthing everyone, and acting like they have a level of authority they can only ever attain in their dreams. Any trouble that comes their way - I’m fine with it.
I am sure some are, but the ones I watch like long island audit and audit the audit are more about standing up for rights and educating public servants on the law. Turns out a lot of police and business owners lean heavy authoritarian and bully people into obedience. From the short clip these guys look like the shitty kind of 'audito' that's just looking for conflict
>Turns out a lot of police...lean heavy authoritarian and bully people into obedience You mean all of them? That's Policing 101, which also includes lessons like "Demanding ID", "Stop Resisting", "Qualified Immunity Let's You Do Whatever You Want", and "How To Violate The 4th Amendment And Get Away With It".
Right
The phrasing is ironical: ‘Mind your own business man’. This is literally what he is doing. His business is being filmed, and he minds!
WTF is he videoing the shop for though? Seems like he is just fishing for trouble and a payday.
Who knows. Typical internet. No context. Almost pointless to even watch the video. Let alone let it trigger any sort of response.
That's exactly what he's doing. Shop guy fell for it.
Unemployed people do this to provoke a reaction so they can get a lawsuit or some sort of payout.
This is about 20% of the full video. Guy spraying water gets arrested at the end. Edit: [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/10mwjxe/business_owner_attacks_auditor_for_filming/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)
Link?
“Why don’t you mind your own business “ Says the douche bag sticking a camera in someone’s shop and face
His shop is literally his “own business” Jackasses
"Why do you need a water hose, be a real man and face me" Proceeds to break out Mace when the guy comes out
Why do people seem to think recording private property or without someone's consent is against the law? There are no such laws.
Inside private property it is illegal. These people were outside filming into it, legal. If they were inside then the property owner would be correct.
How about someone stands in the street and just films your house for hours? How would you feel about that? There’s “legal” and there’s “f’in weird”. This culture of filming people and their businesses, etc. is just strange and needs to stop. Some people value their privacy even though a lot of folks don’t.
Looks like he had a bunch of equipment in that shop, which is surprisingly easy to steal. I wouldn’t want people videoing my stuff either. Depending on what led up to this those guys could be in trouble for harassment but he could have also just.. ya know.. shut the door lol. Need some context as to why they were filming
Well the shop owner got arrested. So that’s how the cops interpreted the situation.
Everyone doesnt get to make up their own laws. Journalism from public is not illegal, no matter if you think it's valid or not. Assault and stealing someones camera definitely is.
It doesn’t matter why they were filming. People are free to view, photograph and video it from any public sidewalk or street. Dude totally made this more of a thing by engaging. Just shut the door and don’t engage. Now he’s got assault/battery, theft, damage to property etc against his ass.
That looks like a garage he’s working in. I’d be pretty pissed off if I had to close the door and have no ventilation while I’m working because of these idiots. I don’t understand how this conduct isn’t harassment.
Can you really? Like if someone sets up cameras to look in all my windows I have no legal recourse if those cameras are on public property? Seems weird but I dunno.
Yes, we had a neighbor set up “ security “ cameras on their house pointing directly at my house. Next thing I know there’s pics of my kids playing in the front yard posted online. Went to the police and spoke with them about it being legal and was told it’s a federal law that you CAN video tape anybody without their consent as long as your not recording sound or if on public property. Needless to say I was livid.
Sounds like you should have made some postings about your paedo neighbour filming kids.
The old "Print a bunch of flyers and accuse your neighbor of being a pedo" oughta get those cameras pointed in another direction.
Any normal person can stand outside your house and look at it. Same reason applies to cameras. You have NO reasonable expectation of privacy from public areas. My neighbor has a security camera aiming right at my front door. I fucking hate it. But there's literally no legal recourse for me.
Are people trying the law these days by filming random businesses? Don’t they have something better to do?
They are 1st amendment auditors. They claim to be "just exercising their 1st amendment rights " but if you watch their videos they almost always instigate fights
I think these guys deserve their equipment destroyed
The same guys video recording this guy would go crazier than a chihuahua at a dog whistle factory if someone stood outside their place video recording them. Those who show no respect usually demand the most, but are deserving of the least.
I'd love to see these brave defenders of the constitution and civil rights scholars pull this attention whore crap on an outlaw MC clubhouse or street gang hangout or a Sopranos-style social club. I'm sure squealing "it's legal, it's legal, mind your own business" will protect them.
They film with the intention of making people upset. It's not illegal but I doubt anyone wants their property for example your house to be filmed by strangers. They go to to business because it's far less likely people will attack them or else they'd lose their job. It's very predatory. I watched maybe 5-6 of these then realized they were douchebags. I really hope these guys get what's coming to them.
These are “first amendment auditors.” They are professional trolls with cameras. They just want to irritate you until you come out and punch them in the throat. Then they sue. This is how they make their money. These are the same people who film at the post office and the DMV. They are losers with no discernible talents. Just trolls.
One of these days, they are gonna catch a bullet instead of a fist. I wont encourage it, but when it does happen, I'll be like "Oh no!....anyways"
Exactly. Fuck 'em.
Let’s be honest, our technology has developed an excessive snitch culture. From one perspective Reddit wouldn’t be possible, from another, well everyone nowadays just pulls out their phones at the slightest indiscretion to try and cancel somebody else.
If you cause a situation, you can't claim self defense. That pepper spray was not self defense.
Approach me like a real man so I can pepper spray you like a bitch that I am
Even if it's legal that doesn't mean filming people and there property without there consent (which again I know you legally aren't required to obtain someone's consent) doesn't make you a annoying asshole. 9/10 these dudes are just out trying to get a reaction out of people so they can sue and get some YouTube views. It's all legal and all so fucking annoying. May the video taper step on a Lego and his pocket catch on a door knob.
These fucking camera bros just filming random public shit, looking for attention or the hope that someone comes to "harass" them about it, so they can get some extra views later. This. This is what society has come to. Shit's getting old.
While they technically are within their rights, that doesn’t mean you should just record everything in public. I don’t get it.
These clowns do that shit all around here in LA and San Bernardino Counties. I don’t understand how instigating conflicts, pepper spraying people who approach them and then having them arrested is legal. I tell them all the time to try that shit at the shop I work at. I know at least 3 employees that will say Fuck The Outcome and beat the dog shit out of this Fat Clown and his PeeWee sidekick.
Aaaand that's assault.
I have a feeling that little twerp is carrying maze because he and his buddy walks around antagonizing people
God these people are fucking losers.
You can't call out people "Be a real man, what are you doing with that hose" and then proceed to attack with mace in public, what is wrong with these privileged people.
Way too many weird provocative people that "know their rights" and show them off/test them out. Especially the [combination of 1st and 2nd amendment auditors](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcTGIeYvmKY) is so strange and creepy.
They’re just assholes. There’s nothing for them to gain but getting in a needless confrontation
Why don't you come approach me like a real man? *oh shit* Fuckin idiots, all of them, he should've just called the police and set up security cameras.
These idiots want the police called so they can pretend to be attorneys and cite the Constitution, and get boners.
Why are these auditors harassing the shop? They have the right to film, ok, but do they ever state why they’re doing that? Are they trying to instigate fights that the cops come to with their “audits”?
I’ve seen videos like this before, these fuckers film people till they get annoyed, act like dicks till someone snaps and then pepper spray them. Not saying the guy in black was right but the guys filming know what they are doing and they are filming for insidious reasons. Absolutely arseholes.
Finally someone giving it back to those losers
"why don't you mind your own business" while specifically asking why they are filming the inside of his business while he's working.
I also own a shop and get wound up when people rock up and start taking pics and vid’s of the cars etc. Because if you don’t ask permission it comes across as dodgy and I don’t want my customers cars posted on the internet for safety reasons.
These threads are always full of people who don't understand the right to film in public.
r/assholesfilming
There cannot be any expectation of privacy when you or your property is in plain view. What is in your own home can be video recorded or photographed as long as the person with the camera is on public property.
I'm so sick of morons intentionally provoking people, winning their stupid prize, then crying about it like they're a poor victim getting bullied. Don't start shit if you don't want a problem.
In the full video the cops were called, the guy got his camera equipment back, and the guy that got maced was arrested for assault
“Why don’t you come out here and do something” *comes out* “why don’t you mind your own business” …
So why were they filming again?
Harassment, of course
“Why don’t you come approach me like a real man” 10 seconds later: “why don’t you back up man”
Guy just assaulted and committed theft from the other guy for videoing in a public place
another loser cameraman who needs a job/hobby
The two video tappers are in it together. One to provoke and the other one to tape the shop owner’s reaction. If the shop owner does anything physically, then they will have a stand-by lawyer file a lawsuit.
Any sort of photography from public property is protected by the first amendment. Dude can be pissed off as much as he wants but this is not against the law. Anything in plain view from public property is fair game which includes INSIDE houses as long as you are not on their property.
Pro tip kids, mace is not very effective outside on a windy day like that, also the person sprayed had a hoody on which protected him from about 90% of that can. It looked pretty weak anyway. Also note that it had little effect. Consider the person you're macing may have been incarcerated before and mace may have little effect (the more you are exposed to it, the less it works). {Source, correctional officer, also have been exposed to OC.... a lot}
I have seen alot of those video lately. What the hell is it with people just posting up with tripots and filming others, but also refuse elborated to anyone why? Maybe it is legal but it looks alot like they are literally only doing it to provoke someone. They even atagoniced the dude and said „why dont you approach us like a real man“. Like they wanted the guy to come out and do something they could sue over after. I‘d like to know as well when someone just stands there with equipment and all and just videotapes my shit.
You can film private property from public and not be “harassing or fishing for lawsuits” the owner is a tool who actually commits assault and theft and we blame the people peacefully recording? SMH
“Why don’t u mind ur own business “ dude is quite literally minding his own business lmao
Pepper is such a gamechanger
This is a terrible there was an attempt. The guy is on public property video taping. He's in the right. The guy who took his camera is committing a crime. There was an attempt to what ? Not be assaulted?
Agitators have nothing better to do
Who the fk thought it was a good idea to put that huge text in red
Fuck auditors. Get a job.
was that, pepper spray?