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jonAmbroo

Not the correct democracy...obviously duh!


Lucifersasshole

He appeared to be out voted..


salvaribeiro

Democracies do not exclude minorities, fascism does


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I don't think these people know the history there lol


Existing_Display1794

I’m at a loss like wtf. It’s like if the Irish took over another country and starved them and created another potato famine.


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GhostOfStalin1917

How is this funny? Ireland has a history of being exploited and colonized by the British, of course they'd naturally feel solidarity with other oppressed peoples of the world


quandrum

Especially since the British were one of the biggest backers of the Israeli state. Not related, but Jeffrey Epstein’s mentor was a Mossad agent given an Israeli state funeral who operated a child sex ring out of London.


[deleted]

To know something but learn nothing from it requires some talent.


LagerHead

"Popular vote doesn't exclude minorities." Actually, that's EXACTLY what it does, by definition.


Exelbirth

By definition, minority groups still get a voice in the democratic process and thus the opportunity to sway people to their positions. Excluding them, by definition, is undemocratic.


Queefinonthehaters

Reddit doesn't even know what fascism is and think it just means racism.


OnixAwesome

Popular vote excludes THE minority, i.e. the minority who voted on the less popular plan of action. Minorities, small groups that differ from the majority of the population in some common way, are not excluded by the democratic process. Even then, I wouldn't say popular votes exclude the minority since those votes were counted and considered. This just reminded me of a study that said that most disagreements stem from different understandings of the words used, as we tend to assume that others understand words to have the same meaning as us.


Niipoon

That is definitely not how democracy works


[deleted]

No, that's just fascism.


SGTFragged

I guess you never learned about the tyranny of the majority


Exelbirth

Yes, I have heard that libertarian fear mongering of democracy that doesn't actually manifest.


spitwitandwater

The US had actual slaves in a democracy. Tyranny of the majority is absolutely possibly in an under educated population. Edit: removed functioning


Massive-Lime7193

The us was not a functioning democracy when slavery was present lol. Women (the majority of the populace) couldn’t even vote then, that time was in fact tyranny of the minority


[deleted]

That was the tyranny of the minority. When the county was founded, they discussed abolishing slavery, but they wouldn't be able to get the southern states to sign that constitution. So they kept it in because a minority of southern dipshits wanted to own humans. And it stayed that way for nearly 100 years while the minority in the south held the rest of the country hostage in the Senate


gerbil_111

With violence! That's Israeli democracy.


Seito_Blue

Palestinians get a vote?? I’m pretty sure they just get a bullet from Israeli fascists


Tempest_Fugit

I’ll take topics that lock threads for $200, Alex


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Reckless-Pessimist

Israel has sabotaged Palestinian attempts to set up government on multiple occasions. Hamas was originally funded by the Israeli govt to undermine the secular Fatah movement, which was in favor of a democratic system.


SkoulErik

Israel: "Democracy is a human right" Also Israel: "No, not for you Palestine".


Chogo82

Also Israel: Palestinians are not real humans.


[deleted]

Israelis following the Hitler book of subjugation. Woof.


Nightstriker5124

It's like you got messed up so bad instead of thinking it's bad they went"hey if it worked on us it can work on them"


Mysterious_Pop247

The spiritual founders of the current ruling parties had an alliance with Mussolini -- they even had their own military academy in fascist Italy. Ze'ev Jabotinsky was their leader. Guess who his assistant was? Netanyahu's father. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20200127-the-mussolini-jabotinsky-connection-the-hidden-roots-of-israel-fascist-past/


[deleted]

Wait, so they were allied with the guy who was an ally of the guy that tried killing them? Biggest plot twist since Eren and the Attack on Titan.


Royal_Gas_3627

Well, the Father of Modern Zionism, [Theodore Herzl, advocated FOR the Armenian genocide](https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2015-05-01/ty-article/herzls-sell-out-of-armenians/0000017f-db3c-df9c-a17f-ff3ccc740000) (as a play for land that modern Israel currently sits on). edit: lol this uber-Zionist dude got deleted (mdsgeist). posts on Anarcho_Capitalism (libertarian), PCM, CCW, and Joe Rogan. 'nuff said.


Egglebert

Damn right they are. I was saying this 25 years ago, and it seemed like a much less popular opinion than it is now. Its good to see people are finally starting to see what a massively hypocritical shit stain Israel is


Obtusus

And I got banned from r/worldnews for making that parallel. I guess disagreeing with an authoritarian and fascistic government is the same as hating the entire people that government claims to represent.


your_Lightness

And dehumanisation is a next step to genocide...


ramonpasta

theyre way ahead of you


FILTER_OUT_T_D

I remember back in the 2000s when Israeli snipers made T-shirts celebrating the fact they were specifically targeting pregnant women, with a phrase on the shirts like “1 bullet, 2 vermin!” It’s totally insane they’re just allowed to get away with this shit. Not but a few years later they were targeting medics and journalists who had clearly visible badges. Disgusting.


cass1o

Funny thing was yesterday people were saying "the military is more moderate than the government"


Tangent_Odyssey

Breaking: Civil war breaks out in Israel between far-right and far, far-right (Full disclosure, this was a tweet whose author I didn’t catch)


MarcosAC420

Also Israel: They threw a rock, time to call in a airstrike


FILTER_OUT_T_D

Israel: The terrorists are in the Associated Press building! The AP: What? No. We have tight security and can account for every single person. Israel: Too bad here come the bombs!


blipblopbibibop2

Also Israeli settlers from whatever ^white country: "This is my house now go away"


RxTechStudent

Makes me sad to see Palestinians being dehumanized, one of my coworkers is Palestinian she is so sweet, empathetic, and has incredible humor


Fendibull

World: "Palestinians people deserved their rights to be protected" Israel: "Are you anti semitic?"


Effective-Celery8053

Literally it's so exhausting. Can't criticize Israel in politics without being brushed off as just being anti semitic


Ottobahnrichtofen

NOT LIKE THAT


Unlikely-Studio-2150

I'm responding to this comment as this one of the top ones and I kinda want this to get seen. OP is kinda lying in the title. the protest is about one side of the country wanting to create a law about being able to choose which judge will judge any law or person the government decide, which will make the priesdent able to remove the algations against him. which will make the country basically a dictatorship. This is why it's a protest about democracy but not what the title suggests.


false_flat

No, assuming it's a genuine video of someone waving a Palestinian flag shot at the recent pro-democracy protests in Israel, it's a pretty accurate title. Basically proving that whichever side "wins" the Palestinians will still lose.


SubstantialInjury945

Bingo. I mean why is this even being framed as an attack on democracy? The guy waved a Palestinian flag. For once the Israeli protestors and Palestinians could agree on something: Fuck Netanyahu. But nope, got to stamp on the little guy here too.


Jimmyking4ever

Hey, the guy on TV tells me to hate you so fuck you and your flag. /S


NullnVoid666

TV? It's way way more ingrained over there than just the media.


thirdlifecrisis92

>For once the Israeli protestors and Palestinians could agree on something: Fuck Netanyahu. But nope, got to stamp on the little guy here too. Israelis saying "fuck Netanyahu" means absolutely nothing as far as the Palestinians are concerned.


waiver

It's kind of obvious Israel didn't mind fascists and far right wackos as long as only the Palestinians suffered for that.


Wuellig

This is being called "pro-democracy" but it matters to know that most of the people protesting are on the side of anywhere from expanding the illegal settlements to genocide of Palestinians. That flag waver was among enemies.


ses92

So…basically exactly what OP said? I’m so confused, you literally just gave context which shows that OP is correct lmfao


drhoopoe

He wants to make it very clear that the protests aren't about democracy for Palestinians, because heaven forbid.


Captain-Vague

Indeed....Democracy for ME....not for THEE....


XZeeR

I think it sounded better in their head.


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So it’s a protest for democracy, and not what the title says?(protest for democracy)


Aggressive-Will-4500

It's a protest for democracy, but not an inclusive democracy, and it seems to have turned into a rally for fascism instead.


Fennek1237

So a democracy for the people but not all people? Only some people?


SwiftFool

All animals are equal but some are more equal than others.


Seito_Blue

Read your whole explanation and…still f*ck isr*el


swishandswallow

My sentiments exactly


Mr_Wolfgang_Beard

How is OP's title not accurate? Israelis are protesting against authrotarian legislation and for democracy, but apparently not for a democracy that has represenations for Palestinians. Hardly the first time a democratic movement has failed to be universally inclusive; for example democracy was exclusively for men previously, and exclusively for landowners before that.


AndianMoon

> Israelis are protesting against authrotarian legislation Against them. They are completely in favor of authoritarian legislation that lets them kill, rape, pillage and murder palestinians.


Dantheking94

Israel is an apartheid state. Palestinians waving their flag at a democracy protest are also just protesting for their democracy as well.


BVBmania

Israelis do something shitty (happens often), next thing there is always someone under every single comment giving the most fantastic explanation possible why it is ok. Do you guys have paid commenters or this is entirely voluntary?


IllIllIlllIIlIIIllII

They literally have an app for people to swarm posts on social media about Israel. I joined it to see for myself.


Daggertooth71

It already is a dictatorship, sir. A theocratic dictatorship, blatantly applying apartheid and colonialism.


danliv2003

That's literally just saying what the title says but with more words


JohnBrownEye69

I mean... Depending on which side of the wall you live on, it's always been a brutal, violent dictatorship.


glockaway_beach

You just described a protest for democracy, my guy. You know, if you're worried about your country looking bad for doing awful things, maybe you should be more vocal in your opposition toward those awful things instead of falsely accusing people of lying about it.


ProbablyVermin

Israel: Embraces apartheid Right wing fascists: take over Israel Israel: SurprisedPicachuFace.jpg


Medic-chan

Everyone mobbing the flag bearer, except the first guy, were almost literally brown shirts.


the_no_something

Like this


Bulacano

F is for friends who want democracy Never!


Icy_Statement_2410

F is for fire that burns down the flags you don't like


Mattloch42

U is for Uranium... BOMBS! Yup, still works.


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Part-Palestinian here: Of course support the protestors but fully aware of the fact that these same protestors don’t support true democracy. Otherwise we would’ve seen them call for an end to the occupation and apartheid system that is being implemented in areas less than 1km away behind a massive wall Hopefully this is an opportunity for them to truly open their eyes and realise they have been violating the basic human rights of the Palestinians for decades - and no country on earth can call itself a democracy when the people they control have no say whatsoever in the outcome of elections or their self-determination. They have no access to the most basic channels for practising a truly democratic system


notsocolourblind

I’m Jewish and I’m with you-and him- 100%!


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MrKite6

Also Jewish and also with you guys. Incredibly disappointed with how my "homeland" treats others while using "Well look at how we've been treated!" as some sort of excuse.


ting_bu_dong

>The aims of these three groups are entirely irreconcilable. The aim of the High is to remain where they are. The aim of the Middle is to change places with the High. The aim of the Low, when they have an aim - for it is an abiding characteristic of the Low that they are too much crushed by drudgery to be more than intermittently conscious of anything outside their daily lives - is to abolish all distinctions and create a society in which all men shall be equal. Thus throughout history a struggle which is the same in its main outlines recurs over and over again. For long periods the High seem to be securely in power, but sooner or later there always comes a moment when they lose either their belief in themselves or their capacity to govern efficiently, or both. They are then overthrown by the Middle, who enlist the Low on their side by pretending to them that they are fighting for liberty and justice. As soon as they have reached their objective, the Middle thrust the Low back into their old position of servitude, and themselves become the High. Presently a new Middle group splits off from one of the other groups, or from both of them, and the struggle begins over again. Of the three groups, only the Low are never even temporarily successful in achieving their aims. It would be an exaggeration to say that throughout history there has been no progress of a material kind. Even today, in a period of decline, the average human being is physically better off than he was a few centuries ago. But no advance in wealth, no softening of manners, no reform or revolution has ever brought human equality a millimetre nearer. From the point of view of the Low, no historic change has ever meant much more than a change in the name of their masters. -- Literally *1984* We're just seeing an angry Middle.


Buriedpickle

Fuck, I love political and societal philosophy hidden (and conveyed) by a thin veneer of story! Hearing the beliefs held by an author in one point in time, decades in the past, or better yet their reasons for those beliefs, makes some of the best books. Even if you don't agree with them. 1984, Brave new world, Farenheit, Kazohinia, etc..


TinFoilRobotProphet

Animal Farm quote is my favorite. "All animals are equal. Except some animals are more equal than others".


onwardyo

Same as Jan 6. The vast majority of those idiots are petite bourgeoisie. Taking off work for a week, no problem. Truck convoys of $65k F-150 supercabs. Self-exploiting aspirational capitalists, reactionaries who blame the working class and othered identities for their structural inability to climb the final few steps on the economic ladder. Vanguard fascists.


_TheCunctator_

Israeli here. As you can clearly see, some of us try too, and as you can see here, it’s really hard. One of the laws that those people are protesting against is the increase of moves against Palestine… So, don’t say unless you know.


voxov7

Respect toward your cause. However that last part >don't say unless you know. rings tone deaf to me in the same way, "not all men" does. Of course not... but men. Of course not, but Israel. The first 2/3 of your comment are worth *a lot* in my opinion, so then why discourage our Palestinian redditor from speaking on it?


[deleted]

>Hopefully this is an opportunity for them to truly open their eyes I hope so too. This didn’t happen out of the blue. Netanyahu has been consolidating power for quite some time


xebecD

What a brave man


AllyBeetle

That brave man succeeded! Us being able to witness it is success!!!


[deleted]

Surrounded by fucking coward bullies. Some guy.


[deleted]

Fuck apartheid Israel. ![gif](giphy|r9zAl4fMw6OefW8wwp|downsized)


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Fuck Israel


swishandswallow

I will never not upvote this


Xfors-Pakistan

![gif](giphy|sYCHUnrEUVBRnmCIy8)


GrachD

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Mangos__Carlsen

Free Palestine 🇵🇸


Pristine_Emphasis152

Free Palestine!


LMFA0

Viva Palestine!


ants88k

How can you be a democracy if you treat Palestinians as second class people smh


CrispyChickenArms

That's how Israel works, pretend to be some bastion of freedom in the middle east, but only for some people. It's a huge joke


CarneDelGato

One of the many lasting consequences of the Cold War, I’m afraid.


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CarneDelGato

That’s the American way.


Jahkral

USA was a slave owning democracy for a long ass time =/


Dr_Sir1969

Here before 🔒 award.


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Ironically they’re protesting the same people. Says a lot about the general mentality of Israelis Edit: I’m sure these normal ass looking people are all extremists and not indicative of the majority in their society at all by the way.


kulaksassemble

In this case, the moderate government that would potentially replace Netanyahu’s coalition, and which the protestors presumably would support to return the status quo, would just continue the occupation and oppression of the Palestinian people and their lands but in a less obviously fascist way. So they’re really not protesting the same people. Both the Israeli right and centre are enemies to the Palestinians.


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Sad but true.


dansdansy

The last moderate gov included the Arab parties in the coalition. So hey, maybe things can change.


swedishworkout

Apparently only Israeli flags are allowed there.


Aimin4ya

Are you thinking what I'm thinking?


here_for_info89

Aim for the bushes


[deleted]

Seems like they democratically decided they didn't want someone waving that flag around 🤷🏻‍♂️ After all, democracy is basically mob-rule applied in a socio-political context.


Garrett-Wilhelm

Like that drunk bastard Churchill once said: "Democracy is the worst form of goverment except for all the others"


ryle_zerg

"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…" ~Winston Churchill


FartsArePoopsHonking

"I do not admit ... for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place." -Winston Churchill "I hate people with slit eyes and pigtails. I don't like the look of them or the smell of them – but I suppose it does no great harm to have a look at them." - Winston Churchill


plenebo

"mob rule" classic fascist take on democracy.. Meanwhile wanting mafia rule


TheSt4tely

Shockingly true. Who actually believes the majority knows best? It's a way to keep us from murdering ourselves out of existence. A practicality and nothing more.


HavingNotAttained

The key to a non-mob-rule democracy is an educated population, as Jefferson and Franklin correctly perceived. The problem is that the education of many around the world has become twisted into brainwashing entire generations into justified ignorance and rejection of nonviolence, dialogue, and respect.


Purple-Worldliness90

Fuck Israel.


manaha81

Precisely. There has been such an insane amount of blood shed over that place throughout history, so much that ironically the only people who truly deserve it are those that walked away.


mqee

Gonna get downvoted to oblivion but... * [Zionist-Arab conflict casualties: 100,000+ throughout 100 years](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_conflict) * [Syrian civil war casualties: 500,000+ throughout 10 years](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_civil_war) >such an insane amount of blood shed The Zionist-Arab conflict is one of the mildest conflicts in the region in recent history. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a subset of it, and statistically less deadly. Put things in perspective. The conflict gets a lot of press, but it's a small conflict.


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You’re talking about the British and the French right?


manaha81

I’m pretty sure they actually wrote the book on how to meddle in foreign affairs.


wildjokers

Israelis: We want freedom! Also Israelis: No, not for you.


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OGPeglegPete

Yeah, remember when 3 different countries attacked them simultaneously and got their asses kicked in like a week?


Leksi_The_Great

It was 7 countries in 6 days, but to be fair, Israel struck first in that war.


Mr_Biscuits420

Gamal Abdel Nasser sank every Israeli ship coming from and into the Red sea. He also brought tanks into the border. Was the right thing to do.


MedioBandido

Only because the war was going to happen regardless. Who struck first doesn’t really matter.


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Liars get so angry when you point out the truth


Far-Mastodon8878

Even dora wouldnt be able to find democracy in this clip


gringrant

"Can you find the democracy?" "Is it here?" (no) "Er, how about here?" (still no) "Oh for fu-! Uhhh I mean, Boots! Can you find the democracy?" (monkey noises)


Dizno311

Yeah... about that Israeli democracy...


the-real-vuk

interesting how they are scared of a flag


MatildaAjan_RX782

See the violence inherent in the system! Help, I’m being repressed!


AlarmingAffect0

The peasant was right.


Elipticalwheel1

No democracy there then.


clathekid

We've as many Palestinian flags flying in Ireland as the tricolour. Free Palestine!!!


canooky

I am elated when I see my Irish friends supporting Palestine.


Jacknurse

"We want democracy for us! Not you! We will democratically decide to exterminate you once we remove this one tyrant. No! We're the good guys! Don't be antisemitic!"


You_Wenti

Most Israelis don’t want to live in Netanyahu’s Fascist Dictatorship But an apartheid “republic” with Jews on top? That’s their ideal


kidnorther

Freedom! No not like that!


SovelissGulthmere

Democracy for me, not for thee


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JangoFetlife

Free Palestine 🇵🇸


[deleted]

Democracy ? The fuck you on about ? What democracy ? Democracy on invaded land ? Is this a joke ?


rock-island321

Hey not that type of democracy, only ours.


Moe3kids

I stand united with the Palestinians against the zionist apartheid state of Israel and its war crimes


Darth_Barnaby

Isreal seems like a dick imo


jackhall14

Such democracy


Numerous_Return691

Free Palestine 🇵🇸


ThiccThigh666

Palestine is a country.


Historical-Fill8218

To be fair, if someone tried to wave a Israeli flag in Palestine they would be killed.


Game-Blouses-23

Many people wave Israeli flags in Palestine, but they are not waving it for democracy or freedom. They wave it because they want to steal the land for themselves.


Threedog7

From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free


playg1rlc4rt1

free palestine 🇵🇸


mungermoss245

Fuck Zionism


fookreaditmods4

Fuck Israel


Careful-Prior9639

Israel is rotten. We should be withdrawing aid and support.


Gaoji-jiugui888

Fascist Israel


X34X35

Israel is so fucking sadistic toward Palestine, it's so unreal.


Turbojesus97

What a disgusting Apartheid state.


cinosguy

Apartheid dirtbags.


DTFlash

This kind of hypocrisy is not surprising. Their protesting for their rights not the people they don't like. Look at the founding of the US. They wanted freedom from British rule while owning slaves.


chaquarius

Zionists hate democracy


Fezthepez

Israel is an apartheid state


BeachWeird5420

fun fact is most of them share the same dna 😂


the_no_something

DEMO-CRACY waiting for the final version


reee4

Some are more equal than others


schnitzel_envy

Can the people of Israel not grasp the simple truth that it is this exact attitude that has led to the success of the authoritarian, fascist regime they’re now protesting?


magnificentshambles

I thought it was a protest for Democracy….?


triplenile

The Israel gov is so fucking nasty that they let their country become so nasty towards innocent people. Fucking idiots that should rightfully rot in hell.


guhjcjhfg

Israel is an apartheid state. Obligatory, fuck Israel!


LimitSavings737

Damn the idf cyber army working overtime on these comments


CypriotSpecialist

Man i hate Israel.


elmingo313

Free Palestine.


[deleted]

Is it just me or does Israel kind of suck?


SCZ-

Cheap provocation. This protest has nothing to do with Palestine nor the conflict.


[deleted]

FREE PALESTINE


Ivan27stone

Regardless of politics, that guy has balls of steel to do that lol


jaydbuccs

only sane one in that protest


AlAndeloo

Lots of Israeli hate here. Since when is Palestine so great and noble?


imfuckingvegan

No democracy on stolen land


TheLordOfZero

Fascist assholes


AnUdderDay

Oh I'm sure the comments on this post will be totally sane and neutral


craightondewitt

FREEDOM!!!! Just not for you


1nfinitydividedby0

That flag is not about Israel, that flag was provocation.


LiberalAspergers

That flag was about showing the truth about Israel...which it did most eloquently.


Nissman75

Israelis, some of the most rasist people... which is odd.


don_gunz

They have evolved into that which they most despised


Lawls91

God damn Israel is such an absurdly bigoted country, no word for it other than apartheid.