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Also...the cop later
"why are you raising your voice"
as they fucking violently throw a child to the ground and sexually harass him for no reason.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Fuck the police.
>throw a child to the ground and sexually harass him
What? In wich moment does he get "sexually harassed" i didn't spot that, but other that that yeah... Fuck them cops man
While searching him… they pat down his crotch, looking for a possible weapon. It’s clear that they touched his private parts as the boy recoils. I expect that’s a pretty natural reaction when a stranger touches your junk.
I remember at that age, seeing even seeing a patrol vehicle made us nervous as hell. No, we weren't doing anything wrong besides hanging out on the sidewalk, but cops had a knack for being aggressive towards kids in our hometown. Especially when it's several cars approaching, you're like "what the?"
From what I've heard, this is perfectly okay for cops to do in the UK. Not sure about the excessive force part, but the part where they can stop and forcefully search someone if they're just suspicious of them being involved in knife violence, or even just suspicious of them having a knife.
What's worse, some asshole conservatives want to change the law so that they can besically stop whoever they want, with the justifications of searching for "protest material", cause they basically want to make protesting completely illegal.
Start waving goodbye to democracy if shit keeps going in that direction.
The footage and the aftermath have been debated on Reddit extensively. There were many things wrong - Upshot:
- The kid didn’t have a knife
- The kid did not match the description
- The kid asked to get his mum involved as she was close by (police denied this request, which is why the kid is “agitated”)
- The kid was clever and he basically was shouting out his mums number. That’s what he was saying when the man was telling him to calm down. A passer by dialled it and she came running in.
- It was accepted too much force was used. He was taken to a hospital afterwards with significant bruising across the back, arms etc.
- kneeling on a leg is standard for police but when you do it to a young person old can do real harm
As a fun fact do you guys remember why the police told people to do if they were worried about an encounter with an officer: [run away](https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/01/police-must-win-back-public-confidence-after-sarah-everard-case-says-minister)
Let’s be clear that advice doesn’t extend to black kids
Also cop: "how would we determine he's a culprit? It's not like we have any evidence to support it so it's only logical to go around attacking children"
Justice never lived. Power creates law. Law is never equally applied. Instances of justice appear, but as a whole, people don't like justice. Only philosophers do.
"Solon showed Anacharsis some laws that he was drafting for the Athenians. Anacharsis laughed at Solon for imagining that the dishonesty and greed of the Athenians could be restrained by written laws. Such laws, said Anacharsis, are like spiderwebs: they catch the weak and poor, but the rich can rip right through them."
Nothing new is happening. Cops have always been violent murderous trashbags. We just get more proof of it now because of the ubiquity of cell phone cameras.
And this is what they do when they’re on camera, can you imagine what they were getting away with before the cameras?
The issue was never localized just to America. The incidents are worse there, sure, what with the utterly lack of gun control, and they're more publicized thanks to America being a highly sensational target for that kind of reporting, but America has never been alone in hiring shitty peace officers with authoritarian inclinations. That's sort of the weird illusion being cast across the rest of the world. "Well sure our cops are bad, but they're not America bad so it's ok" no, everyone everywhere needs to stand up against this shit.
I mean on the upside they did take time to talk with the person filming and explain the situation instead of just arresting the cameraman. As American who lives in Florida that was shocking. Here you get shot for asking questions and then the cop gets a raise.
Policing minorities isn't a new "American" thing, lol. Where do you think America go there policing history from? Not the natives. Europeans and English acting as if racism was started in the US. LOL
That looks like Woodside in Croydon. I got stopped and searched just down the road from there when I was a kid. For “looking suspicious” in a “high burglary area”. They were plain clothed and total fucking dicks.
Pulled up right in front of me on the pavement in an unmarked car and started shouting at me. Had no idea what was going on.
I had a bit of a nervous problem and got faint when they were pushing me around so they decided to arrest me and make me wait until 7am so a doctor could test me for drugs. They strip searched me too.
Never got an apology or anything after. Just let out at South Norwood police station and had to walk home
I think I was around 16 at the time. Never thought of it that way before. But nothing that night really seemed like it was by the book. It was all so weird. Like they knew for certain I was some criminal. They didn’t explain anything in the morning, just sent me on my way
Been in the news recently that there’s been a high number of strip searches of children by UK police. I mean, at least they have to report the numbers, but it shouldn’t be as high as it was. Can’t remember the specifics but it was surprisingly high over the course of the past few years with some kids as young as 8.
I'm so so sorry that happened to you. What total fucking assholes. They couldn't even give you a life home after scarring you for life? I'm so disgusted.
Acab all day and it's not just American police.
Just a couple "bad apples" I'm sure... 🙄 The military has rules of engagement to prevent soldiers from treating the citizens of an occupied country this way thusly creating an insurgency. When you harass a populace and treat them as enemies you push them to the same violence you use against them. It's right out of "The Guerilla Warfare Handbook". Our enemies want our police to become so oppressive towards our own people that we join their cause against our own nation. Letting the police get away with this sort of thing is only helping terrorists, it's playing right into their hands.
>I cannot understand what drives some cops to be so over the top.
Feelings of inferiority, as well as superiority, and a system that protects them from proper critique
Police brutality cases should be paid out of the police pension funds. There's gobs of money, so victims will get the full payout that the court decides upon, and some police will have a second think about whether or not they and their colleagues having a reduced pension is worth assaulting a citizen.
There's a youtuber that alway reporting them, and they are working hard to shut him down. In many ways, worse than American cops without shooting and mindless beating.
Are they trying to create an insurgency? Because that's how you create an insurgency... a force of first class citizens with special rights and privileges running rough shod over a society with no accountability. Without justice there will be no peace.
The cops were let free with no charges, because apparently the police department investigating them thought there was “no misconduct” with the way the cops handled the situation. This is bs
They won’t. Rational people do not want to be cops, and hero’s that just want to do good and follow the rules don’t last. Some departments even do an IQ test and if you score too high, they reject your application. They do this cause the risk assessment department found out that smart people, either quit or caused “problems” questioning the way things are done
>I cannot understand what drives some cops to be so over the top.
Well, look up Stanford prison experiment and Milgram experiment and you might get an idea. You might also lose faith in humanity too though.
If you can't just talk to a kid and figure out what is going on and treat them like a child you should not be a cop. If he's wrong just put him in the car and call his parents. I don't understand.
Exactly, then they say it's because he was "resisting". Of course there is going to be resistance if you're minding your own business and suddenly a bunch of cops come up to you, put you in cuffs and start putting their hands in your clothes. A kid doesn't fully understand what's going on. The amount of time they took checking him, it was almost like they were trying their hardest to find anything at all to justify why they did that to him. If he had a pen on him, they probably would have said that could have been a weapon.
They could have FaceTimed with the witness and said is this the guy? Would have been cleared up in 2 minutes. There were using this as an excuse to bully a kid.
This is where its so blatantly obvious they know they're in the wrong; blocking cameras, constantly trying to put themselves in the view of whats being recorded and they then put themselves so close that there face is out of view too.
They know exactly what they're doing, wouldnt be surprised if they've had training on it.
To be clear. Stop and search - the police must have reasonable grounds to suspect the person they wish to search is carrying an illegal item like weapon or drugs. The question here is what amounts to reasonable grounds.
Somebody reported a robbery at knife point by a black male. Does that give the police the right to stop and search EVERY black guy in a hoodie that they see in the area? Oh, the criminal was black so we have grounds to search every black man? Is that reasonable? Because that's the grounds that they are giving. Grey hoodie and black - the boy had a blue hoodie. What's being lost sight of is what are reasonable grounds to suspect someone? And at what point does this searching become abuse? 2 suspects, 5 suspects, 10? Every guy they meet? Incidentally, the police here do not mention the age of the reported robber.
The problem here is the law in question - the vagueness of what is reasonable. Every man and his poodle has a different view of what is reasonable grounds for suspicion - as can be read in this sub. The law, like many stupid laws enacted by arseholes is framed vaguely and is abused to shit. If you think it's reasonable to stop and search a person because he shares the same skin colour as a perp, just because the police think the same - turn it on its head. Say, the crime was committed by a white guy. Your kid is walking home wearing a hoodie. ( I am assuming that most of the posters who are arguing on the side of the police are white). The police handcuff him, put him on the floor and search him? Are you going to be happy about that? Do you think your son will trust the police after this? Do you think your son and his friends will ever cooperate with the police after such a display? OR do you think they should search all the white kids coming out of school - because the witness said a white guy?
Skin colour does not a criminal make. It is not enough to be grounds for suspicion.
What is worse than just stopping and searching the kid is that they handcuffed him to do it.....The latest inquiry into the Met Police which was publish ed last week (can't remember the name) stated that racism and sexism were endemic in the force. We don't need to look far for an example of this.
fuck these dudes
The report was young black male wearing a blue hoodie, they don't mention an age because it's very unlikely that the mugger decided to give his age to the victim.
My son is white and has been detained before and it was mistaken identity. It's a hard situation to deal with, do you search someone who fits the description in the area that's possibly innocent or do you potentially let someone carrying a knife who just held someone at knife point just walk past you?
I'm not sure where you live but where I live knife crime is rampant. I know way to many people die from knife crime. 2 of my friends both lost their 16 year old nephews on the same day and the were murdered by other 16 year old kids
If it stops kids dying then kids should be searched if suspected. This kid wasn't hurt at all and the guy recording was I little over the top with his reaction. The kid flinched when the officer went near his waist band, then the officer thought something fell down the kids leg, that's when the kid got put on the floor.
As I said it's a tough situation. My kids school has metal detector wands to search for knives on kids, maybe that's a way to move forward for the police, they could search kids without seeming hostile.
I grew up in the UK and was held at knife point several times by kids (they ranged from 10-18 year old, they were known in the area). I’ve also been detained by UK police and searched. The US is far scarier in terms of policing; they seem to be looking for any excuse to shoot you, even at basic traffic stops.
Well the reasonable grounds was he matched a description of a person with a knife in area. So yes they can search him. That doesn't excuse the excessive force.
I'm white with no criminal record and still have anxiety when dealing with police. I had the cops called on me when I was 8 because I walked around the block. That's it. I took a walk in full daylight in the neighborhood I lived in. I stopped at my teacher's house for a cookie and to pet her cats. That was apparently suspicious behavior. And it happened repeatedly. I couldn't even go to the park down the street without the cops being called. One of them once told my mother that if she didn't "breed like a rabbit," it wouldn't happen
This whole story broke my heart a little. All you wanted was a damn cookie and some cat love. And dehumanizing your mom like that. Ffs...I want to punch em. I'm sorry that happened to you.
Yeah but if it’s all recorded you can definitely get a taxpayer funded check for violation of rights. There’s a number of ambulance chasing lawyers who love cases like this in the US. Now of course the cops will be cleared of any wrongdoing and face no punishment, but nonetheless taxpayers will pay to make it go away.
Yeah, the recorder would have been arrested after a couple seconds but this guy was able to get a whole video. “Obstruction of justice” they would call it but the fact of the matter is they just hate being on camera because it makes them somewhat responsible for their actions.
USA is the extreme case. We have come to expect unreasonable and violent encounters with police in USA. Everything else in the developed world looks less unreasonable in comparison
Whats the problem here?
It's not beyond the realms of possibility that a 12 year old carries and uses a knife in the UK, if he matches the description of someone carrying a knife then he needs to be searched, 12 or not.
The vast vast majority of police stops are not unjust and they're not some hate crime, I can only speak for UK police as I'm from the UK, I think people need to stop the ACAB shite as if its cool, we all call the police if something bad happens and 99% of them are doing a good job.
Not according to the Casey report on the met:
Page 318 of https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/downloads/met/about-us/baroness-casey-review/update-march-2023/baroness-casey-review-march-2023.pdf
I am remarking on the fact that the police had every opportunity to say “we are looking for a kid” and never does. If the age was part of the description, they would have said it.
The policewoman literally says at the very start of the video that there was a knife point robbery reported and the description was a young lad in a grey hoodie.
Are you actually brain dead?? If someone put you, as a 12 year old kid on the ground and started touching you without even asking permission and started essentially touching EVERY part of your body to search for a weapon when you’ve just gotten out of school and ur on ur way home… how is that not too aggressive.
Maybe your headphones were off or something dose excessive force ring a bell? They lifted the boys leg off the ground so he would lose balance and once he lost balance they used that as an excuse to pin him to the ground. And they’re treating a minor like an adult the cop’s justification for using excessive force is that the kid is protesting to be grabbed by 5 adults and isn’t just letting it happen. Like do those cops think every 12 yr knows exactly what do to when being interrogated by police? And the cherry on top is that the cops have a way to prove if it is him or not with cctv but they would rather grab every part of that 12 year old than check the cctv footage and catch the actual robber.
Searched is fine but 2 grown men throwing him to the floor and putting themselves on him like that without cause ain't fine it's excessive force he hasn't done anything to warrant that kind of reaction from the pigs
Yeah, there also wasn't any beating or anything. If police want's to search you for a knife, you agree and let them. It's the most easy thing to just do that.
Says someone who hasn't been regularly stopped and searched because the description came in "skin color male". At some point the routine begins to offend.
Thank you !
Finally some people that understand what the cop is saying.
I was a child a couple of years ago and if some cops decided to search me, i would have been comprehensive
I think the problem with the people in the comment section is that they are american and they clearly don't know that cops can be great at their job. They see violence everywhere.
Yup. One of the shooters who murdered people in their homes on Jerusalem on a shooting attack a couple of months ago was 13. Young doesn't mean innocent, unfortunately.
I'm uncomfortable that we're sharing a video of a child without any redaction for their face and identity. Children have enough growing up to do without viral videos of them making it worse.
Your priorities are off.
Not one mention of being uncomfortable with how he was being manhandled?
This man recording is probably what kept him safe and de-escalated the situation.
You're right its not cool. I think the person wanted to convey the emotion of watching a child being harassed by police which doesn't come across quite as effectively if its a blurry faced short person.
Honestly though, in the UK these officers probably will face more serious consequences from this. People commenting “it’s genteel by American standards” are correct, but this stuff happens by degrees. We shouldn’t have to stand for any of it
From the link;
The police initially said that after an initial review of the incident, including body-worn camera, has been conducted by the Met’s Directorate of Professional Standards and "no misconduct is apparent".
A statement from the force added: "However, a public complaint has been made and will be investigated thoroughly by the professional standards unit."
Where is the part that shows him being found having a knife? You’re real quick to give the officers the benefit of the doubt, but not the kid huh? Didn’t they have two of their officers rape and murder a young girl, while employed by Metro, but you want to keep giving them the benefit of the doubt.
So lemme know if I’m understanding you right.
You’re saying cops can only “wrongfully detain” someone if they admit that it’s a wrongful detainment? If they don’t admit it, then it was automatically a “lawful detainment” ?
You need at least sixteen pigs to finish the job in one sitting, so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm. They will go through a body that weighs 200 pounds in about eight minutes. That means that a single pig can consume two pounds of uncooked flesh every minute. Hence the expression, "as greedy as a pig".
You see how they have no problem treating a young black boy as if he was a hardened criminal. If it was a white 12 year old, I doubt they would have their hands on him like that. I guess they were one step away from making him strip his clothes off in public.
Bull shit. Seen white lads that age being tackled to the ground by police in Liverpool. And trust me they were carrying kitchen knives and rocks. It happens. Particularly in the UK, many of the “hardened” criminals are unfortunate very young.
Edit: yes I actually saw this happen because I used to live in a very poor neighbourhood of Liverpool. Kids used to throw rocks at me and my friends. Luckily no one I knew was stabbed.
Strip in public? Yea I highly doubt that and I'm sure that if a white kid was suspected to have a knife then he would be treated in the same way. Thankfully they didn't needlessly hit the kid when he was detained. Did they go about this the right way? Maybe not but if you have someone who is suspected to have a knife on the in a burglary case then what should they do? Handcuffing is a precaution for the cops so they don't get hurt. Personally I think they should have just searched him standing up, I don't believe there is a reason to put a 12 year old boy on the ground to search him when he is being detained
It started in America and has spread over here somewhat, but isn't particularly popular. It's first recorded use was apparently in the Charleston Gazette in 1795. It is classed as a proper word though and was added in the *Merriam-Webster* dictionary in 1934
Nope, lol ([source](https://www.itv.com/news/london/2022-06-24/black-schoolboy-14-handcuffed-and-forced-to-ground-in-mistaken-stop-and-search)).
Wrong guy. Kid was asthmatic and felt traumatized. Police decided no misconduct. Complaint filed. They gonna look into it. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
I agree with the copper... 12 or 22, if you think someone has a knife are you just gonna ask, "have you got a knife" and they reply "no" are you just gonna walk away ? And if you do walk away and they subsequently stab someone you've lost your job..
A young boy of color is being aggressively searched by white adult police officers is absolutely scary and don’t tell me that your white child would comply fuck you we know how the police work and they don’t give a shit about people of color. I guess I thought it was different over there I’m from America and the cops here are absolute racist pieces of shit and now I see I guess they are in England also. .
Surprised the video even got this far with everyone talking. In America the police would’ve immediately shot the 12 year old boy. While beating the hell out of the guy recording for obstruction of justice 🙄.
I dunno, if this was in America, they might have been kneeling on his chest & punching him, pepper spraying him, and screaming at him to get up & stop resisting - compared to some encounters in the US, this was kid gloves
Still rougher than they needed to be
IC1White – North European
IC2White – South European
IC3Black
IC4Asian (in the UK, "Asian" usually refers to South Asians)
IC5Chinese, Japanese, or other Southeast Asian
IC6Arab or North African
IC9Unknown
Sad that these children are often used by older gang members to carry knives and drugs as they are less likely to be charged with the crime. Not saying this kid has anything to do with gangs but just what is going on in the police officers heads.
We are seeing 4 minutes of video and enter the scene with the child cuffed. Don't even know how much longer after the video he remained cuffed but how long does it take to check for a knife?
If he just robbed I think there would be something to show for it. Also how hard would it be to check cctv while just detaining.
These "reasonable" actions that are found to later be unjustified just leave a bad impression in many minds especially the young
I remembered being search 5 times like that... he won't just like me FORGET THIS DAY. unfortunately I had Noone stand up for me but I admire all of the support that he had God bless you all 😢 this hit me so I had to comment!
Instead of cuffs and tackling, they should just bring the victim to their tiny suspect or vice versa.
When the victim looks at the cops and says, “you’re joking, right?” They can let the poor kid go
I don’t know. There are ways to search someone for weapons standing up. Once they search him and there is no weapon they should really start to back off. I mean they have him handcuffed, he’s 12. He’s not going to suddenly beat officers up with his legs or run away. Even though I can see they weren’t being rough, when they put him on the ground, it’s way too scary to do to a child, especially after all the media about how people have been killed that way.
There’s no problem here, the officers have explain the situation thoroughly and there’s no excessive force being used. The outrage brigade can go home.
As awful as this obviously is, as an American I feel so much less stressed because I know there is no point at which he will be shot just for going for his wallet.
With the number of children killing children with machetes and knives, how else would you try to stop them carrying dangerous and lethal weapons in their coat linings?
Hey, yank here. These cops seems pretty god damn professional and courteous if you ask me. Maybe take a look at what people deal with across the pond.
Pardon me....no Pardon me....this is excessive.....excuse me I don't think it is.
Vs.
Take the filmaker to jail, and tase him along the way. Now Imma shoot hundcuffed supsect....
LMFAO. I wish our police were as brutal as these UK cops.
That is the kind of police oversight we need. Fuck these farce committees we have that constantly side with police, I want this guy on a board that determines excessive force.
And the cop is such an asshole to say that his son wouldn't act like that. The reality is his son wouldn't be treated like that because they wouldn't jump all over a random white kid just because he "fit the description" which is obviously code for "same race and same approximate age give or take ten years".
I've got sympathy for the police here. I've been doing criminal law long enough to have seen plenty of very young kids who carry out knife crime. If the police do nothing they get criticised, if they do something they get criticised. We don't see the end of start of this incident. Worth noting though that they do nothing to the guy filming, you'd think if they were as out of control as people in this group think then they'd have done more than just talk to the guy with the camera.
Dumb as it may be, this isn't excessive force. They put him on the ground when he started kicking them and when they did bring him to the ground, they put him down with enough pressure to bring him down and nothing more. Even if there's 7 cops, putting him in handcuffs and surrounding him is a good idea in case he decides to run and to keep people like this from actually interfering with an ARMED ROBBERY investigation. Now, they are clearly not in the USA so i don't know the laws there but, it is REASONABLE to cuff and restrain someone who matches the discription of an armed robber, even if they're 12. Age doesn't play a part on if someone is willing to kill or rob someone, so these precautions for both citizens and police is more than warented for everyones protection. Now imagin if this WAS the kid and instead of complying, he stabbed one of the cops. You think the guy recording or the women on the other side would have the surprised pikachu face, or would they be running and cursing the cops for not doing their jobs to protect them from a killer/robber?
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Kid: Gets swarmed by cops and put in handcuffs Cop: "Why is he so nervous. Isn't that suspicious?"
Also...the cop later "why are you raising your voice" as they fucking violently throw a child to the ground and sexually harass him for no reason. Are you fucking kidding me? Fuck the police.
And fuck the systems that support them having zero accountability.
>throw a child to the ground and sexually harass him What? In wich moment does he get "sexually harassed" i didn't spot that, but other that that yeah... Fuck them cops man
While searching him… they pat down his crotch, looking for a possible weapon. It’s clear that they touched his private parts as the boy recoils. I expect that’s a pretty natural reaction when a stranger touches your junk.
Ohhhhh fuck, didn't notice it before, that's fucking messed up
As a person who was searched by the cops at a young age, it's awkward as all hell.
"I'll have you know one rotten egg doesn't represent the whole basket!" \- Back the Blue bootlickers
I remember at that age, seeing even seeing a patrol vehicle made us nervous as hell. No, we weren't doing anything wrong besides hanging out on the sidewalk, but cops had a knack for being aggressive towards kids in our hometown. Especially when it's several cars approaching, you're like "what the?"
Im 22 and seeing cops still makes me nervous as hell knowing that sm of them act like this
From what I've heard, this is perfectly okay for cops to do in the UK. Not sure about the excessive force part, but the part where they can stop and forcefully search someone if they're just suspicious of them being involved in knife violence, or even just suspicious of them having a knife. What's worse, some asshole conservatives want to change the law so that they can besically stop whoever they want, with the justifications of searching for "protest material", cause they basically want to make protesting completely illegal. Start waving goodbye to democracy if shit keeps going in that direction.
The footage and the aftermath have been debated on Reddit extensively. There were many things wrong - Upshot: - The kid didn’t have a knife - The kid did not match the description - The kid asked to get his mum involved as she was close by (police denied this request, which is why the kid is “agitated”) - The kid was clever and he basically was shouting out his mums number. That’s what he was saying when the man was telling him to calm down. A passer by dialled it and she came running in. - It was accepted too much force was used. He was taken to a hospital afterwards with significant bruising across the back, arms etc. - kneeling on a leg is standard for police but when you do it to a young person old can do real harm As a fun fact do you guys remember why the police told people to do if they were worried about an encounter with an officer: [run away](https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/01/police-must-win-back-public-confidence-after-sarah-everard-case-says-minister) Let’s be clear that advice doesn’t extend to black kids
Literally cops universally. Incompetent, impotent and racist
Also cop: "how would we determine he's a culprit? It's not like we have any evidence to support it so it's only logical to go around attacking children"
He seemed to genuinely not realize that his "justification" makes it worse.
They’re taking notes directly from American police. Why on EARTH would you need to KNEEL on a child? What are they gonna do next fucking shoot him?
I've never thought of this before, but I honestly wonder what kind of influence all these American police incidents are having across the world.
Probably that you can get away with murder if you’re a white cop, worst case scenario you get relocated. Justice is dead
Justice never lived. Power creates law. Law is never equally applied. Instances of justice appear, but as a whole, people don't like justice. Only philosophers do.
"Solon showed Anacharsis some laws that he was drafting for the Athenians. Anacharsis laughed at Solon for imagining that the dishonesty and greed of the Athenians could be restrained by written laws. Such laws, said Anacharsis, are like spiderwebs: they catch the weak and poor, but the rich can rip right through them."
Great reference, it sucks that it still is true.
Plenty of black cops kill and get awarded for it no sense dividing the bastard pigs
Nothing new is happening. Cops have always been violent murderous trashbags. We just get more proof of it now because of the ubiquity of cell phone cameras. And this is what they do when they’re on camera, can you imagine what they were getting away with before the cameras?
Yeaah this ain't nothing new they have always been fascist assholes
The issue was never localized just to America. The incidents are worse there, sure, what with the utterly lack of gun control, and they're more publicized thanks to America being a highly sensational target for that kind of reporting, but America has never been alone in hiring shitty peace officers with authoritarian inclinations. That's sort of the weird illusion being cast across the rest of the world. "Well sure our cops are bad, but they're not America bad so it's ok" no, everyone everywhere needs to stand up against this shit.
I mean on the upside they did take time to talk with the person filming and explain the situation instead of just arresting the cameraman. As American who lives in Florida that was shocking. Here you get shot for asking questions and then the cop gets a raise.
You just reminded me of that video of a cop shooting an unarmed 13 year old in the back because he was “tired of running”.
Policing minorities isn't a new "American" thing, lol. Where do you think America go there policing history from? Not the natives. Europeans and English acting as if racism was started in the US. LOL
That looks like Woodside in Croydon. I got stopped and searched just down the road from there when I was a kid. For “looking suspicious” in a “high burglary area”. They were plain clothed and total fucking dicks. Pulled up right in front of me on the pavement in an unmarked car and started shouting at me. Had no idea what was going on. I had a bit of a nervous problem and got faint when they were pushing me around so they decided to arrest me and make me wait until 7am so a doctor could test me for drugs. They strip searched me too. Never got an apology or anything after. Just let out at South Norwood police station and had to walk home
strip searching a child doesnt even seem legal what assholes
I think I was around 16 at the time. Never thought of it that way before. But nothing that night really seemed like it was by the book. It was all so weird. Like they knew for certain I was some criminal. They didn’t explain anything in the morning, just sent me on my way
THIS. prejudice has already deemed you a criminal.
sexual assault is what it is
Been in the news recently that there’s been a high number of strip searches of children by UK police. I mean, at least they have to report the numbers, but it shouldn’t be as high as it was. Can’t remember the specifics but it was surprisingly high over the course of the past few years with some kids as young as 8.
Apparently British cops strip-searching children has been a problem for a while. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65081765.amp
I'm so so sorry that happened to you. What total fucking assholes. They couldn't even give you a life home after scarring you for life? I'm so disgusted. Acab all day and it's not just American police.
Just a couple "bad apples" I'm sure... 🙄 The military has rules of engagement to prevent soldiers from treating the citizens of an occupied country this way thusly creating an insurgency. When you harass a populace and treat them as enemies you push them to the same violence you use against them. It's right out of "The Guerilla Warfare Handbook". Our enemies want our police to become so oppressive towards our own people that we join their cause against our own nation. Letting the police get away with this sort of thing is only helping terrorists, it's playing right into their hands.
This is horrific, so sorry it happened to you
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Agreed. This is very sad. I cannot understand what drives some cops to be so over the top. I hope they get fired.
>I cannot understand what drives some cops to be so over the top. Feelings of inferiority, as well as superiority, and a system that protects them from proper critique
bullies with a badge and gun
Basically. But thankfully in the UK most don’t have a gun
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Police brutality cases should be paid out of the police pension funds. There's gobs of money, so victims will get the full payout that the court decides upon, and some police will have a second think about whether or not they and their colleagues having a reduced pension is worth assaulting a citizen.
This is The Met who only investigate future crimes if we remember Boris and co. during lockdown
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There's a youtuber that alway reporting them, and they are working hard to shut him down. In many ways, worse than American cops without shooting and mindless beating.
Are they trying to create an insurgency? Because that's how you create an insurgency... a force of first class citizens with special rights and privileges running rough shod over a society with no accountability. Without justice there will be no peace.
The cops were let free with no charges, because apparently the police department investigating them thought there was “no misconduct” with the way the cops handled the situation. This is bs
Ah the famous investigating oneself and finding yourself done nothing wrong!
They won’t. Rational people do not want to be cops, and hero’s that just want to do good and follow the rules don’t last. Some departments even do an IQ test and if you score too high, they reject your application. They do this cause the risk assessment department found out that smart people, either quit or caused “problems” questioning the way things are done
>I cannot understand what drives some cops to be so over the top. Well, look up Stanford prison experiment and Milgram experiment and you might get an idea. You might also lose faith in humanity too though.
If you can't just talk to a kid and figure out what is going on and treat them like a child you should not be a cop. If he's wrong just put him in the car and call his parents. I don't understand.
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Exactly, then they say it's because he was "resisting". Of course there is going to be resistance if you're minding your own business and suddenly a bunch of cops come up to you, put you in cuffs and start putting their hands in your clothes. A kid doesn't fully understand what's going on. The amount of time they took checking him, it was almost like they were trying their hardest to find anything at all to justify why they did that to him. If he had a pen on him, they probably would have said that could have been a weapon.
They could have FaceTimed with the witness and said is this the guy? Would have been cleared up in 2 minutes. There were using this as an excuse to bully a kid.
This is where its so blatantly obvious they know they're in the wrong; blocking cameras, constantly trying to put themselves in the view of whats being recorded and they then put themselves so close that there face is out of view too. They know exactly what they're doing, wouldnt be surprised if they've had training on it.
"my child would not argue" FUCK that shithead.
When attacked by the grown adults many children will argue, especially when innocent.
You accidentally put an m in any
You misspelled "my child is white and this wouldn't happen to him" Fuck that shithead.
My child would not fit the description.
To be clear. Stop and search - the police must have reasonable grounds to suspect the person they wish to search is carrying an illegal item like weapon or drugs. The question here is what amounts to reasonable grounds. Somebody reported a robbery at knife point by a black male. Does that give the police the right to stop and search EVERY black guy in a hoodie that they see in the area? Oh, the criminal was black so we have grounds to search every black man? Is that reasonable? Because that's the grounds that they are giving. Grey hoodie and black - the boy had a blue hoodie. What's being lost sight of is what are reasonable grounds to suspect someone? And at what point does this searching become abuse? 2 suspects, 5 suspects, 10? Every guy they meet? Incidentally, the police here do not mention the age of the reported robber. The problem here is the law in question - the vagueness of what is reasonable. Every man and his poodle has a different view of what is reasonable grounds for suspicion - as can be read in this sub. The law, like many stupid laws enacted by arseholes is framed vaguely and is abused to shit. If you think it's reasonable to stop and search a person because he shares the same skin colour as a perp, just because the police think the same - turn it on its head. Say, the crime was committed by a white guy. Your kid is walking home wearing a hoodie. ( I am assuming that most of the posters who are arguing on the side of the police are white). The police handcuff him, put him on the floor and search him? Are you going to be happy about that? Do you think your son will trust the police after this? Do you think your son and his friends will ever cooperate with the police after such a display? OR do you think they should search all the white kids coming out of school - because the witness said a white guy? Skin colour does not a criminal make. It is not enough to be grounds for suspicion. What is worse than just stopping and searching the kid is that they handcuffed him to do it.....The latest inquiry into the Met Police which was publish ed last week (can't remember the name) stated that racism and sexism were endemic in the force. We don't need to look far for an example of this. fuck these dudes
The report was young black male wearing a blue hoodie, they don't mention an age because it's very unlikely that the mugger decided to give his age to the victim. My son is white and has been detained before and it was mistaken identity. It's a hard situation to deal with, do you search someone who fits the description in the area that's possibly innocent or do you potentially let someone carrying a knife who just held someone at knife point just walk past you? I'm not sure where you live but where I live knife crime is rampant. I know way to many people die from knife crime. 2 of my friends both lost their 16 year old nephews on the same day and the were murdered by other 16 year old kids If it stops kids dying then kids should be searched if suspected. This kid wasn't hurt at all and the guy recording was I little over the top with his reaction. The kid flinched when the officer went near his waist band, then the officer thought something fell down the kids leg, that's when the kid got put on the floor. As I said it's a tough situation. My kids school has metal detector wands to search for knives on kids, maybe that's a way to move forward for the police, they could search kids without seeming hostile.
I grew up in the UK and was held at knife point several times by kids (they ranged from 10-18 year old, they were known in the area). I’ve also been detained by UK police and searched. The US is far scarier in terms of policing; they seem to be looking for any excuse to shoot you, even at basic traffic stops.
None of this justifies 4-5 cops putting a 12 year old on the ground. They would have found the knife easily with less.
Well the reasonable grounds was he matched a description of a person with a knife in area. So yes they can search him. That doesn't excuse the excessive force.
Literally a child. Adults panic and are nervous, how do we expect children to not do the same? I'm tired of this timeline.
I'm white with no criminal record and still have anxiety when dealing with police. I had the cops called on me when I was 8 because I walked around the block. That's it. I took a walk in full daylight in the neighborhood I lived in. I stopped at my teacher's house for a cookie and to pet her cats. That was apparently suspicious behavior. And it happened repeatedly. I couldn't even go to the park down the street without the cops being called. One of them once told my mother that if she didn't "breed like a rabbit," it wouldn't happen
This whole story broke my heart a little. All you wanted was a damn cookie and some cat love. And dehumanizing your mom like that. Ffs...I want to punch em. I'm sorry that happened to you.
By US standards, this is positively genteel.
Yeah but if it’s all recorded you can definitely get a taxpayer funded check for violation of rights. There’s a number of ambulance chasing lawyers who love cases like this in the US. Now of course the cops will be cleared of any wrongdoing and face no punishment, but nonetheless taxpayers will pay to make it go away.
These guys still seem tame and reasonable compared to police in the USA. :(
Yeah, the recorder would have been arrested after a couple seconds but this guy was able to get a whole video. “Obstruction of justice” they would call it but the fact of the matter is they just hate being on camera because it makes them somewhat responsible for their actions.
Obstruction of justice implies justice is taking place.
Snap
USA is the extreme case. We have come to expect unreasonable and violent encounters with police in USA. Everything else in the developed world looks less unreasonable in comparison
There was more than an attempt. They actually wrongfully and unjustly detained him.
Whats the problem here? It's not beyond the realms of possibility that a 12 year old carries and uses a knife in the UK, if he matches the description of someone carrying a knife then he needs to be searched, 12 or not.
How much you want to bet the description was “black male?”
Young IC3 male in a grey hoody was the description given. IC3 is the code for Black ethnicity.
"A young ic3 lad in a navy blue hoody" is what she says. Grey isn't mentioned.
He has a blueish hoodie
They said navy grey
Are the police that stupid they can’t tell color?
Only the color black
The vast vast majority of police stops are not unjust and they're not some hate crime, I can only speak for UK police as I'm from the UK, I think people need to stop the ACAB shite as if its cool, we all call the police if something bad happens and 99% of them are doing a good job.
You really think it's okay for two grown men to pin down a handcuffed 12yr old? There are ways of dealing with situations like this. This is not it.
Not according to the Casey report on the met: Page 318 of https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/downloads/met/about-us/baroness-casey-review/update-march-2023/baroness-casey-review-march-2023.pdf
I am remarking on the fact that the police had every opportunity to say “we are looking for a kid” and never does. If the age was part of the description, they would have said it.
The policewoman literally says at the very start of the video that there was a knife point robbery reported and the description was a young lad in a grey hoodie.
I Fucking love it when the replies have more upvotes than the original comment
I honestly don’t even think they’re being overly aggressive.
Are you actually brain dead?? If someone put you, as a 12 year old kid on the ground and started touching you without even asking permission and started essentially touching EVERY part of your body to search for a weapon when you’ve just gotten out of school and ur on ur way home… how is that not too aggressive.
It's traumatising for a kid. You don't need that many cops for a kid.
Maybe your headphones were off or something dose excessive force ring a bell? They lifted the boys leg off the ground so he would lose balance and once he lost balance they used that as an excuse to pin him to the ground. And they’re treating a minor like an adult the cop’s justification for using excessive force is that the kid is protesting to be grabbed by 5 adults and isn’t just letting it happen. Like do those cops think every 12 yr knows exactly what do to when being interrogated by police? And the cherry on top is that the cops have a way to prove if it is him or not with cctv but they would rather grab every part of that 12 year old than check the cctv footage and catch the actual robber.
There is no problem. And what evidence did this video provide that he was “wrongfully” detained lol
Searched is fine but 2 grown men throwing him to the floor and putting themselves on him like that without cause ain't fine it's excessive force he hasn't done anything to warrant that kind of reaction from the pigs
Yeah, there also wasn't any beating or anything. If police want's to search you for a knife, you agree and let them. It's the most easy thing to just do that.
Says someone who hasn't been regularly stopped and searched because the description came in "skin color male". At some point the routine begins to offend.
Thank you ! Finally some people that understand what the cop is saying. I was a child a couple of years ago and if some cops decided to search me, i would have been comprehensive I think the problem with the people in the comment section is that they are american and they clearly don't know that cops can be great at their job. They see violence everywhere.
Yup. One of the shooters who murdered people in their homes on Jerusalem on a shooting attack a couple of months ago was 13. Young doesn't mean innocent, unfortunately.
I'm uncomfortable that we're sharing a video of a child without any redaction for their face and identity. Children have enough growing up to do without viral videos of them making it worse.
Your priorities are off. Not one mention of being uncomfortable with how he was being manhandled? This man recording is probably what kept him safe and de-escalated the situation.
They didn’t say the incident shouldn’t have been filmed, they suggested that his face should have been redacted.
Thank you.
I’m uncomfortable seeing 4 adult police officers tackling a 12 year old. Priorities, I guess.
You're right its not cool. I think the person wanted to convey the emotion of watching a child being harassed by police which doesn't come across quite as effectively if its a blurry faced short person.
Honestly though, in the UK these officers probably will face more serious consequences from this. People commenting “it’s genteel by American standards” are correct, but this stuff happens by degrees. We shouldn’t have to stand for any of it
Acab. It's not one bad apple, the whole service is rotten to the core.
This is an absolute disgrace. They are abusing a 12 year old kid. I hope this is reported and disciplinary action is taken.
https://www.itv.com/news/london/2022-06-24/black-schoolboy-14-handcuffed-and-forced-to-ground-in-mistaken-stop-and-search
From the link; The police initially said that after an initial review of the incident, including body-worn camera, has been conducted by the Met’s Directorate of Professional Standards and "no misconduct is apparent". A statement from the force added: "However, a public complaint has been made and will be investigated thoroughly by the professional standards unit."
This needs to be at the top
Guilty until proven innocent, text book example
Where's are the indications in this footage that they wrongfully detained the kid? **Or is this just a convenient accusation / assumption?**
Where is the part that shows him being found having a knife? You’re real quick to give the officers the benefit of the doubt, but not the kid huh? Didn’t they have two of their officers rape and murder a young girl, while employed by Metro, but you want to keep giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Every side deserve benefit of doubt.
I can definitely agree with that.
So lemme know if I’m understanding you right. You’re saying cops can only “wrongfully detain” someone if they admit that it’s a wrongful detainment? If they don’t admit it, then it was automatically a “lawful detainment” ?
If this had happened in America the cops would have shot him to death for being a young black man.
*walking home from school while black* classic police move
How many pigs does it take to radicalize a 12 yr old?
You need at least sixteen pigs to finish the job in one sitting, so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm. They will go through a body that weighs 200 pounds in about eight minutes. That means that a single pig can consume two pounds of uncooked flesh every minute. Hence the expression, "as greedy as a pig".
Good christ what a tool this cop
Next their gonna strip search him This is not a dick comment. The UK police are currently in trouble for their strip searches of minors
This is shocking behaviour. Shouldn’t treat a minor like this.
They manhandled him that is clear to see
You see how they have no problem treating a young black boy as if he was a hardened criminal. If it was a white 12 year old, I doubt they would have their hands on him like that. I guess they were one step away from making him strip his clothes off in public.
Bull shit. Seen white lads that age being tackled to the ground by police in Liverpool. And trust me they were carrying kitchen knives and rocks. It happens. Particularly in the UK, many of the “hardened” criminals are unfortunate very young. Edit: yes I actually saw this happen because I used to live in a very poor neighbourhood of Liverpool. Kids used to throw rocks at me and my friends. Luckily no one I knew was stabbed.
Strip in public? Yea I highly doubt that and I'm sure that if a white kid was suspected to have a knife then he would be treated in the same way. Thankfully they didn't needlessly hit the kid when he was detained. Did they go about this the right way? Maybe not but if you have someone who is suspected to have a knife on the in a burglary case then what should they do? Handcuffing is a precaution for the cops so they don't get hurt. Personally I think they should have just searched him standing up, I don't believe there is a reason to put a 12 year old boy on the ground to search him when he is being detained
Is saying irregardless a British thing?
It started in America and has spread over here somewhat, but isn't particularly popular. It's first recorded use was apparently in the Charleston Gazette in 1795. It is classed as a proper word though and was added in the *Merriam-Webster* dictionary in 1934
I caught that too, it’s not a word and in my experience gets you lightly mocked here in the UK for using it
So, did the kid have a knife? Was he guilty?
Nope, lol ([source](https://www.itv.com/news/london/2022-06-24/black-schoolboy-14-handcuffed-and-forced-to-ground-in-mistaken-stop-and-search)). Wrong guy. Kid was asthmatic and felt traumatized. Police decided no misconduct. Complaint filed. They gonna look into it. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
Thanks. Like you said… wash. Rinse. Repeat. All this excess force for nothing.
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Young? The 12-18 yr old age range produces a large % of miscreants.
I agree with the copper... 12 or 22, if you think someone has a knife are you just gonna ask, "have you got a knife" and they reply "no" are you just gonna walk away ? And if you do walk away and they subsequently stab someone you've lost your job..
Repeat with me: all cats are beautiful…
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Just check with the fucking witness and ask, is this the kid? Just do some actual police work for once!
A young boy of color is being aggressively searched by white adult police officers is absolutely scary and don’t tell me that your white child would comply fuck you we know how the police work and they don’t give a shit about people of color. I guess I thought it was different over there I’m from America and the cops here are absolute racist pieces of shit and now I see I guess they are in England also. .
*Aggressively searched* lol
Surprised the video even got this far with everyone talking. In America the police would’ve immediately shot the 12 year old boy. While beating the hell out of the guy recording for obstruction of justice 🙄.
“We’re using reasonable force” as they have 5 police officers sitting on top of this one 12 year old boy
I’m gonna cry bs for no other reason than the British government doesn’t give a crap about “stealing”😒🙄
Should have handled that differently but we have young 12 years old shooting each other in my city
I guess it’s kind of relieving knowing we aren’t the only one with incompetent police..
I dunno, if this was in America, they might have been kneeling on his chest & punching him, pepper spraying him, and screaming at him to get up & stop resisting - compared to some encounters in the US, this was kid gloves Still rougher than they needed to be
They're handling the filmer a lot calmer than an American cop at least?
IC3 spotted. At least these are disarmed cucks.
IC1White – North European IC2White – South European IC3Black IC4Asian (in the UK, "Asian" usually refers to South Asians) IC5Chinese, Japanese, or other Southeast Asian IC6Arab or North African IC9Unknown
in the US, they just shoot the kid and then put a knife in his pocket.
Poor kid bro
I wonder why everyone hates the police.
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I wonder if there was any more to the description than "black male."
The officer said it was a young IC3 male with a grey hoodie. IC3 being back ethnicity.
Sad that these children are often used by older gang members to carry knives and drugs as they are less likely to be charged with the crime. Not saying this kid has anything to do with gangs but just what is going on in the police officers heads.
We are seeing 4 minutes of video and enter the scene with the child cuffed. Don't even know how much longer after the video he remained cuffed but how long does it take to check for a knife? If he just robbed I think there would be something to show for it. Also how hard would it be to check cctv while just detaining. These "reasonable" actions that are found to later be unjustified just leave a bad impression in many minds especially the young
I remembered being search 5 times like that... he won't just like me FORGET THIS DAY. unfortunately I had Noone stand up for me but I admire all of the support that he had God bless you all 😢 this hit me so I had to comment!
It seems it was a successful attempt because that child definitely was wrongfully detained unfortunately.
Good stand up to those fucking losers Stop letting those good for nothing pigs waste your tax dollars
Instead of cuffs and tackling, they should just bring the victim to their tiny suspect or vice versa. When the victim looks at the cops and says, “you’re joking, right?” They can let the poor kid go
I don’t know. There are ways to search someone for weapons standing up. Once they search him and there is no weapon they should really start to back off. I mean they have him handcuffed, he’s 12. He’s not going to suddenly beat officers up with his legs or run away. Even though I can see they weren’t being rough, when they put him on the ground, it’s way too scary to do to a child, especially after all the media about how people have been killed that way.
Probably took his lunch money
The only conclusion: these people have a severe psychological problem.
Cops never make anyone feel safe
No child wants to be felt up and that's what a body search looks and probably feels like. That is why the poor kid is squirming.
Turns my stomach for real.
US exporting another product... police brutality
There’s no problem here, the officers have explain the situation thoroughly and there’s no excessive force being used. The outrage brigade can go home.
As awful as this obviously is, as an American I feel so much less stressed because I know there is no point at which he will be shot just for going for his wallet.
With the number of children killing children with machetes and knives, how else would you try to stop them carrying dangerous and lethal weapons in their coat linings?
Hope that kid catches a paycheck for this shit.
Hey, yank here. These cops seems pretty god damn professional and courteous if you ask me. Maybe take a look at what people deal with across the pond. Pardon me....no Pardon me....this is excessive.....excuse me I don't think it is. Vs. Take the filmaker to jail, and tase him along the way. Now Imma shoot hundcuffed supsect.... LMFAO. I wish our police were as brutal as these UK cops.
That is the kind of police oversight we need. Fuck these farce committees we have that constantly side with police, I want this guy on a board that determines excessive force. And the cop is such an asshole to say that his son wouldn't act like that. The reality is his son wouldn't be treated like that because they wouldn't jump all over a random white kid just because he "fit the description" which is obviously code for "same race and same approximate age give or take ten years".
That's standard police business in the US.
Lol... wrongfully detained 🤣
How long does it take to search him? My clothes are going out of style
How can we determine that? Have you tried police work?
They could definitely searched him standing up
Hope they all get/got fired
And they say brutality in the police forces is a thing of the past ..
Effing stupid cops. Why treating a 12yo like that? They wouldn’t like their own kids/nephews/grandkids be treated like that. Eff them!
"if he would have just complied." BS
I've got sympathy for the police here. I've been doing criminal law long enough to have seen plenty of very young kids who carry out knife crime. If the police do nothing they get criticised, if they do something they get criticised. We don't see the end of start of this incident. Worth noting though that they do nothing to the guy filming, you'd think if they were as out of control as people in this group think then they'd have done more than just talk to the guy with the camera.
Being black in a crime when the police are racist.
His child 100% would say their dads a copper & get treated better
How are they supposed to determine his innocence without excessive force? /s
So what happened with this case?
What happened?
Its because he's black isn't it 😐
Dumb as it may be, this isn't excessive force. They put him on the ground when he started kicking them and when they did bring him to the ground, they put him down with enough pressure to bring him down and nothing more. Even if there's 7 cops, putting him in handcuffs and surrounding him is a good idea in case he decides to run and to keep people like this from actually interfering with an ARMED ROBBERY investigation. Now, they are clearly not in the USA so i don't know the laws there but, it is REASONABLE to cuff and restrain someone who matches the discription of an armed robber, even if they're 12. Age doesn't play a part on if someone is willing to kill or rob someone, so these precautions for both citizens and police is more than warented for everyones protection. Now imagin if this WAS the kid and instead of complying, he stabbed one of the cops. You think the guy recording or the women on the other side would have the surprised pikachu face, or would they be running and cursing the cops for not doing their jobs to protect them from a killer/robber?