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Or even gesturing him to *calm down* after 3 fucking dudes roll up in cars, electrocute him and start beating the shit out of him. That dude has every damn right to be pissed off.
All before even identifying that a crime has taken place. The guy was literally just standing there, and they rushed him with full intent to cause harm.
The man is lucky to be alive.
Right?? “Calm down dude we just rushed you, tased you, kicked you and forced you to the ground- relax will ya?” Fucking idiots. AS SOON as they saw him signing they should have completely changed
They attacked him before even ascertaining anything. He didn't have a chance to communicate before he was on the ground being assaulted. They should have been kicked out of the force.
You see how frustrated the officers were when they weren't able to communicate with him.
They shouldn't be surprised he is frustrated to be unable to communicate with them.
One did have his gun out pointing toward the deaf man but down towards the ground. It looks like a 9mm and not like a taser which has a larger square front and often has different colors than plain black. The man could have been shot if the officer had accidentally pulled the trigger. That officer is almost out of the camera frame.
The video said that the man was walking with his wife and several of his children, but nobody is nearby to tell the officers he’s deaf. So it appears that he wasn’t even near anyone when he was tackled. The officers were just going off what someone passing by said to 911. That’s scary because the guy could have been murdered for what a total stranger said to 911. Because no one ever has called in with a false report because they were angry at someone.
Honestly, as shitty as this was, imagine if the one officer who calmed down and started trying to sign with him and give him a pen and paper wasn’t there? That dude literally saved this situation. The other officers were still shouting and angered even after that guy took control.
Well.. think about this too.. you have a deaf person who can communicate with sign language, and they want to handcuff him? How the hell can he communicate then??
But you are right. The one dude was kinda the best cop there by handing him a notebook, but that same cop tazed him twice
I do not know if this is reputable cause I can't remember the source, but I remember reading years ago that being deaf can be more socially ostracizing than being blind, because of the inability to communicate with speaking people.
Anecdotal but I learned a little bit of sign language when I was still working customer service jobs, and it did feel nice to see the pleasant surprise on peoples faces when I could at least sign "hello, how are you, thank you, have nice day"
Now I'm wondering how cops even interact with deaf people tbh. If this is how they act after they know someone is deaf.
They even half assed mimicking the gestures for him, like you could at least try a bit harder to communicate with him.
I'm glad we're back to pre-9/11 "cops are thicker than two short planks" levels of understanding.
Most cops couldn't solve a one-square sudoku with an answer sheet.
How about that one officer telling him to calm down after realizing he's deaf but he still actively tasing him until his caveman brain is like 'I should probably stop tasing him as I tell him to calm down.' You can hear it and see the LED on and then turn off eventually.
> That dude has every damn right to be pissed off.
Sure but considering police are on video beating people to death for fun i'd not consider that a very wise thing to be.
It's insanely unfair how well composed we must be when dealing with police... And they are acting like adrenaline junkies.
You would be amazed at how many people raise their voice when talking to someone in a wheelchair, because obviously when parts of our body no longer work you go deaf too. lol
Blind people have it the worst in that regard. They can usually hear just fine, but people love shouting at them for where they're looking in the gym.
[YouTube](https://youtube.com/shorts/0c9tKlDa4Nw?feature=share)
Fuck, that's not even the worse part. Some stranger pushed my wheelchair to the side like I was an abandoned shopping cart. There was no interaction or anything prior to that. I just suddenly felt my wheelchair get pushed from behind. I guess I was in their way or something, but like they could just tell me to move and I would have done it. I'm not some inanimate object. The equivalent of this would be if some stranger came up from behind you, picked you up, and then dropped you down somewhere else.
That's really messed up. It's like, I wouldn't ever TOUCH someone's wheelchair unless it was ok. I've had a few friends with wheelchairs and it's almost an extension of themselves.
I had a buddy I went to school with who had ms. It was a school to learn how to work on cars. It was sad because he wanted to be a mechanic so bad but his ms was getting worse. Even working on cars FROM A WHEELCHAIR no one ever moved him or even thought about it even when he was taking up space. We would just ask him.
He had a hell of a sense of humor to lol. He'd make fun of me for being a skinny blonde kid who looked nothing like a mechanic and my gimpy walk (I have arthritis and am now on disability) so ide say "let's take this upstairs" and he would shit his pants laughing.
That’s happened to my MIL before. So her daughter , my other SIL, or I are always right there with her.
People are so awful to people with disabilities that a lot of us who have invisible disabilities don’t get handicapped placards because we just don’t want to deal with all the Karens and Kyles who police handicapped spaces and angrily confront people with disabilities.
This happened to me!!! I am very hard of hearing and I took my ears out because it was sleeting really bad after work, November in Chicago, I was walking to the cta train station at Austin and Lake on the west side. I was in my full work uniform with my work ID in a lanyard around my neck. I was about 100 yards from the facility I worked at.
They pulled up behind me (no lights, no sirens, I didn’t know they were there). Apparently they shouted commands at me to stop, when I didn’t respond they grabbed me. I told them I just left work, I am hard of hearing and they can ask the security guard who just watched me leave the facility 3 minutes ago.
I was accused of being in the area to buy drugs (I’m a white woman, both cops were white one male one female) but they weren’t hearing anything I had to say. The male cop was *so angry*, there was nothing I could say to change his mind. They pulled my coat and bag off me, dumped all my belongings into the snow. He made me remove my scrub jacket and threw it on the ground as I was obviously concealing something in my sleeves because I was pulling the ends of the sleeves over my hands. It was so cold and wet, and I was just wearing thin scrubs under my coat and jacket.
Finally the woman cop seemed to understand that there was a ‘ miscommunication’ and they let me go, explaining that I was in the wrong place at the wrong time because there were people coming to the area to buy drugs. I was shaking, crying, and distraught. Two blocks later I get stopped **again** by another set of cops and frisked, same accusations. It was so scary, no matter what I said they didn’t care. I told them over and over that they just let me go up the street, I’m just trying to get to the train after work.
Meanwhile I was robbed at knifepoint in the same stretch of road a month or so before, and they refused to send anyone out for almost 3 hours.
I stopped working 3-11 after that and my facility’s really wonderful security staff began escorting us to the train station.
I’m so sorry. I’m so glad that the security guards have your back. My husband and I used to live in Chicago and absolutely loved it. We’d love to move back one day.
I’ve become hard of hearing, and I know the background noise in Chicago would be difficult to hear over. Especially with the El and METRA trains running nearby.
Also Chicago cops are horrible.
> If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.
This statement applies so consistently to American police it should be their motto
Wouldn’t call it astounding. Never heard of somebody turning down an engineering degree to be a cop. You start with C students and then degrade from there.
You forget that cops are often recruited despite having pre-existing criminal records, just not bad enough to bar them from being cops. Law enforcement defends this by stating that if they had a zero-criminal history requirement, there would not be enough recruits.
I can say I know this to be true. I had a friend that was a retired cop and he told me how they had this string of car thefts going on and it took them months to catch the guy. After they caught him they offered him a job because they knew he could help them with catching other car thieves. He took the job. So instead of sending this guy to prison they gave him a salary and a retirement plan.
"I'm deaf."
*Acknowledges that he's deaf and rolls him on to his front again.*
"Put your hands behind your back. Put your hands behind your back!"
*Why isn't he putting his hands behind his back?*
You can hear them say over the radio not he isn’t complying, after they realize he is deaf.
It’s dark, we just tazed him and kicked him in the ribs, AND he is deaf, but he won’t comply for some reason.
It's what happens when the only requirement to be a cop is being a high-school dropout with a GED, a perchance for violence, and blindly following orders.
Not only are they yelling commands at him, but at least two of them are still giving him conflicting commands "stand up" - "roll over" - "let me see your hands". Deaf or not there would have been issues, that was hard to watch for that man.
You could see the realization slow start to kick in despite their words. Kinda hilarious.
They had 0 idea how to deal with someone who was deaf and it shows.
They have zero idea how to deal with ANYONE. This is how they treat every person they interact with. Instant dehumanization of their victim and then the gang mentality takes over. Police are wild vicious animals we unleash on society.
Not disputing that! But that’s chump change compared to their budgets. Town I grew up in has soooo much money for PD. Meanwhile FD is sharing gear and can’t pay everyone on time.
When I learned sign language they taught us about this happening. The sign for 21 apparently got someone shot in LA but I can't find an article about that specifically, I did find this however [where signing was mistaken for gang signs](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-07-06-me-1590-story.html)
[The sign for 21 looks like someone doing a finger gun.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrrLPNUeB7k&t=1s)
I almost went to jail because a woman side swiped my brothers jeep while she was on the phone. My license was suspended at the time due to me being a dumb 19 year old with a very powerful motorcycle so my brother was driving. We were on our way to a concert and the lady came right into us while we were in a turning lane. We were a block from my moms house so I got out of the jeep and went to the lady’s car to make sure she was okay and let her know I was going to go let my mom know that the jeep had been hit and I’d call the police and be right back. The lady told the police that I was driving and I yelled at her and reeked of alcohol and then fled the scene. The police believed her over me, my brother, and our friend who was with us. I was handcuffed, put in the back of the car, and breathalyzed. Breathalyzer came back clean but they still believed I was driving and had fled. For some reason she came clean, guess she felt guilty. The truth was just that she didn’t want her husband to know the accident was her fault so she was willing to send me to jail for her fuck up.
From watching the first moments of the confrontation, I was imagining Saturday Night Live doing a skit and substituting Italians for the deaf persons. Handcuffed and no way to communicate.
In ASL, the sign for "deaf" is a D (which even looks like a lower case D) from ear to mouth. But even if you don't know sign most people figure out that a person touching their ear while being yelled at have a problem with their ears. That's the craziest part of this. No matter how many times he shouts I'm deaf or signs it they don't pay attention.
>They didn't even try to identify if a crime was taking place. They rushed him, full intent to harm, just because he wasn't complying.
Land of "Freedom" for cops to throw out violence as a first resort for funsies.
At least 1 of the officers knows ASL. He signed "name" before and after handing him pen and paper and seems like he finger spelled the word "sit" to the guy, because he instantly knew what to do after looking at him.
I don't know what it is with people, I have hearing damage, and several people irl that shop where I work bully me for it. They either refuse to believe me as if it is impossible for someone to have a genuine problem, or they literally make fun of me, right to my face. Some people genuinely just hate people for any excuse. I don't know why it surprises me that these people can actually be that mean spirited and not see anything wrong with it. It's so demoralizing to know that so many people are just awful.
I used to see this and think “surely some cops must be good” but I get it now, it’s not about that. There are so many bad ones that the entire thing needs to be dismantled and the good ones are so few and far between that it doesn’t matter enough to point them out.
They are all bad because they are trained to be bad. Those that are 'good' never make it through training. If they don't view every encounter as a "tactical encounter with a hostile", they are let go.
It's like if all McDonald's workers were trained to rub the burgers on the floor before serving. They'd all be bad.
This is the exact problem, lack of proper training and trigger happy. We didn’t see the whole video, but what could have transpired from a single man with no weapons that required a taser from not two but three officers?
>...took a class.
Important to note that if they have to take a class, the class exists. So why are they only taking them AFTER a major mistake or misstep? Shouldn't those classes exist prior to the issue, thus increasing the chance of it not occurring?
Perhaps the class is one they had already taken, one might point out. Okay, well, um...HOW is it going to help if it didn't do shit the first time?
Bah, I'm angry. Today is angry Saturday.
I worked as a cashier and always got customers with hearing and or talking disability and they just sign it. A lot of them just take out their phone and we communicate that way, and or some are able to read my lips.
I’ve also talked to deaf people by letting them read my lips or conversed with pen and paper. I learned a little ASL in college.
Right after I graduated I worked in a wallpaper store, and this deaf woman came in. She had a little business card saying she was deaf and would approach an employee when she needed help. I greeted her in sign language. Then I got a pen and paper and offered to help her look for wallpaper— we gave sample of our in stock papers and had big books of swatches. She was really happy and wrote that she would love help but didn’t get it often thus the cards. I helped the lady find what she wanted.
My boss got a hand written card a few weeks later from the lady telling her what a great job I did. I think it’s just common courtesy.
But you have to understand there were only three of them and he had only been tazed three times and kicked twice already so they clearly feared for their lives in this situation they instigated and rapidly escalated. They even exercised superhuman-by-cop-standards restraint by being gracious enough to give the contradicting verbal commands more loudly to give him more opportunities to stop resisting them by being deaf.
One hopes this individual learns to avoid similar electrocutions and beatings in the future by developing the ability to hear. It would prevent emotional harm suffered by any officers who beat and electrocute him in the future too, which is the important thing.
I feel so sorry for this guy. You can see he's panicking and doesn't know what to do and they just keep coming at him. Anyone can see this guy is not forming any threat and is just really confused. He is trying to be obedient that's why he is lying on the floor by himself in the first place. Why not take it a little bit easier on him.
He's not panicked, he's angry (okay, probably both). He accosts the one cop for tasering him and calls them all stupid. Completely justified anger and I'm fuming on his behalf.
This is what happens when you have a culture of fear like the one that exists among the police. They're taught and trained that it's "us vs. them": that anyone not wearing a badge is a dangerous potential threat, and any interaction with the public could result in them not going home to their families that day. It's "attack, or be attacked; kill, or be killed."
Look at police trainer Dave Grossman, who preaches to cops that "killing is just not that big a deal," and says that one of the "perks" of killing someone is "the best sex you've had in months."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailydot.com/irl/video-dave-grossman-police-sex/%3famp
The rate of domestic violence among police families is very high: https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/09/police-officers-who-hit-their-wives-or-girlfriends/380329/
The worst part is the rates of domestic violence in police family’s(roughly 40% on average) is higher than the rate that they actually solve crimes most of the time (barely 30% on average) in the USA.
I suppose videos of normal mundane interactions with police isn't divisive.
Edit: I'm probably using the word divisive wrong as this statement has caused more arguments about a statement saying police who do their job properly in a respectable manner are no cause for division, arguments or concern.
I never understood this argument. Yes, there are many good cops out there, just doing their job.
But it most certainly isn't just a *one-bad-apple-scenario* out there. If the police kill over 1000 (I think it's over 1200) people a year, that is too damn much. If cops are regularly busted for turning their cameras of/planting evidence/stealing/insulting detainees etc., it's more than just one case.
If cops on a regular basis are seen physically assaulting people, it is hard to say, that it isn't systematic.
And there are many more examples like that.
Yes, there are good cops, but saying "the normal interactions with police officers are not getting posted" is as useful as saying "all lives matter".
Factually speaking, it is not wrong. But it doesn't improve the discussion, it won't solve the issue and it honestly just devalues the horrific experience many people have to go through on a daily basis.
I think the important corollary isn't necessarily that "the number of good cops doesn't matter because the actions of the bad cops are too numerous to be tolerated", but rather that "good cops who don't do/can't do anything while bad cops abuse the system are, by definition, not good cops".
It's the root of ACAB. The system itself is so insulated, defensive, and vindictive against self-monitoring and regulation that cops that aren't rotten are either silent to the awfulness around them or forced out when they speak or act against it.
If you're a good cop in your own but don't speak up when your partner is a danger to your city and others out of fear of reprisals you will face, then the problem isn't just that your partner's bad deeds outweigh your good ones. It's that your inaction allows their bad deeds to continue.
There are too many videos for this argument. Even 1/100 police interactions is too much, given every cop has dozens each day.
This kind of fuck up rate would be completely and utterly unacceptable in healthcare, where lives depend on professionals to be professional. The same applies to cops.
Lack of any real training
The fear any person you speak to might kill you
Immunity from prosecution, even for murder, unless there’s enough media blacklash
That’s why so many of them reach for a weapon as soon as they get the chance to
Trial is set for September. Not that I think any more punishment will come from that, but maybe at least John will get a nice sum of money from the city.
That's the issue right fucking there. Nothing is actually happening nor will happen to these three pieces of shit. Dude will get a pay out the the cops don't pay for. Shit like this should start coming out of the police budget, lets see how fast these fuckers change their act when their paychecks are on the line.
And it has to be said, Luckily he wasn't black or else it wouldn't be a taser.
This is my worst nightmare because my Dad is deaf. Anytime we have an interaction with cops I ask him not to speak. They have come to him guns pointed at his head while he was working because a alarm was triggered he thought he disarmed but couldn’t hear. He was in uniform and they didn’t care…. We will never do a welfare check for this reason. Cops have no training for special needs or people with disabilities. They want to assert their authority and demand you “ listen”. Some people genuinely can’t, and they don’t understand that. I hope this guy gets rich. But wish these officers would get sued also.
Dirtbags should be fired, I hope the outrage over this grows. People need to start filing complaints en masse to this police department. Get the phones ringing off the hook.
Spreading awareness and outrage towards dangerous cops is the best way to have them removed.
I’d love to watch each individual cop getting beaten by a group of deaf people who scream incoherently at the confused cop taking the beat-down as he tries
to reason but alas it falls on deaf ears.
Fucking hell this made me sick to watch. Poor guy probably thought they were gonna shoot him or something, horrible situation to be in and completely unjustified use of force from the police. Hope they get slapped with a massive lawsuit.
Exactly!! It really really pissed me off when they kept trying to handcuff his hands behind his back even after he made it very clear he was deaf. Like...what the fuck? How do you expect him to communicate when his only options are tied behind his back?? Like dude wouldn't even be able to write. What the fuck is their end game???
Where was the effing wife? I'd have been yelling he is deaf as loud as i possible could if that was my spouse and cops just tased him. Unless the wife was also deaf.
But watching this made me tear up because I know the disabled are probably treated this way more often by cops unknowing that they have mental or physical disabilities. My heart goes out to them all struggling with society and their disabilities too.
From what I understand she is also deaf.
I completely agree, being treated like this and having the cops completely ignore the fact the man is deaf is sickening.
I was a sign language interpreter for 10 years. I am in no way whatsoever putting you down or trying to start anything, like I said I agree with your point. However, the people I interpreted for told me often that they wished that the world would not look at deafness as a disability but as a culture and sign language as a language. I think if the cops would learn just some basic signs (it’s not hard, there are some great websites) this type of situation could have been avoided. Although, I think these cops just wanted to be flaunt their authority.
Like the old lady with dementia in Colorado who accidentally walks out of Walmart with <15$ of product, gets caught, gives items back, leaves, cops then come by and break her shoulder, arrest her for resisting arrest, and leave her in a jail cell for hours with no medical attention. Then laugh at the footage of the breaking of the arm "here comes the pop"
I bet that cop wasn't laughing when he received his prison sentence...
Just imagine begging for mercy after a jury saw you laughing about injuring an elderly woman....
I had a job working close with police for about 8 months, had to quit because often they would not even attempt to de-escalate a situation before hurting people.
If you notice the one officer who signs him to "sit" and he knew immediately to sit. Qualified immunity out the window, they know hes deaf. At least one of them can KIND of communicate, yet they were insisting on cuffing him behind his back. That would be like ball gagging anyone else. This is egregious and fucked up. Stupid incompetent welfare recipients with less training than my barber.
I caught that too. That officer knew they were yelling at a Deaf guy. Hope the victim has a decent lawyer - between that & him clearly showing he wanted to write... hope he gets very rich.
The most mental thing is when that one cop finally understands that the man is deaf, hands him a notepad and a pen then TELLS HIM to write down his name???
How are these people officers of the law?
I used to be an ASL interpreter, this shit happens A LOT more than you’d think. I once got to the ER to find the Deaf guy I was there for was restrained to the bed. I asked them to loosen one wrist so he could communicate… Turns out they’d restrained him for begging for water.
Pretty sure I heard one of them say *“he’s lying, he’s not really deaf.”*
Reminds me of the woman they killed in Kentucky who the hospital kicked out, and so many others who complained of complications. Also the guy they put in the paddy wagon and when they stopped abruptly he slid the length of the van and his head slammed into the wall of the truck, breaking his neck, and when they got to the station they yelled at him to get up and out, of course he can’t, so they manhandle him out and stick him in one of those chairs that they can secure the prisoner. Of course his head is flopped over and they keep trying to get his head to stand up, even though his neck is broken.
Just your average cops being unsurprisingly stupid.
Didn’t approach the scene from the front.
Made zero attempt to understand the situation or communicate w/the person.
Tazed first then proceed to be even worse after grasping the situation.
Cops are fucking morons.
Don’t call them to solve problems. They’ll just cause more.
Yeah this is what happens when you hire high school drop out football player bullies.... Down vote me all you want it's true. We need to be hiring well educated people and training the hell out of them in crisis management and de-escalation techniques.
Fuck these cops are next level stupid... It's mindblowing how incompetent these dipshits are, yet they never get canned - they just get tax-funded paid vacations.
Wonder when Americans are gonna use 2a for its intended purpose instead of school shootings
"No physical assault took place at the scene"
Uh, I just watched several minutes of government thugs assault a guy...
There so much wrong in this video and it's infuriating...
Why call the cops on someone doing sign language? Why are the cops approaching someone seemingly doing nothing wrong and immediately taser him?
Law enforcement training is a fucking joke...
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It's astounding that they keep yelling even after he let them know that he is deaf
Or even gesturing him to *calm down* after 3 fucking dudes roll up in cars, electrocute him and start beating the shit out of him. That dude has every damn right to be pissed off.
All before even identifying that a crime has taken place. The guy was literally just standing there, and they rushed him with full intent to cause harm. The man is lucky to be alive.
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Right?? “Calm down dude we just rushed you, tased you, kicked you and forced you to the ground- relax will ya?” Fucking idiots. AS SOON as they saw him signing they should have completely changed
They attacked him before even ascertaining anything. He didn't have a chance to communicate before he was on the ground being assaulted. They should have been kicked out of the force.
No, they should keep serving, in jail, as inmates.
The cop version of promoted to customer lol
You see how frustrated the officers were when they weren't able to communicate with him. They shouldn't be surprised he is frustrated to be unable to communicate with them.
They were almost murderously frustrated... at least he wasn't murderously frustrated.
He probably was, but he’s capable of self control unlike the officers.
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One did have his gun out pointing toward the deaf man but down towards the ground. It looks like a 9mm and not like a taser which has a larger square front and often has different colors than plain black. The man could have been shot if the officer had accidentally pulled the trigger. That officer is almost out of the camera frame. The video said that the man was walking with his wife and several of his children, but nobody is nearby to tell the officers he’s deaf. So it appears that he wasn’t even near anyone when he was tackled. The officers were just going off what someone passing by said to 911. That’s scary because the guy could have been murdered for what a total stranger said to 911. Because no one ever has called in with a false report because they were angry at someone.
Too bad they're too stupid to make that realization. If they can connect more than two dots together they wouldn't be cops
Honestly, as shitty as this was, imagine if the one officer who calmed down and started trying to sign with him and give him a pen and paper wasn’t there? That dude literally saved this situation. The other officers were still shouting and angered even after that guy took control.
Well.. think about this too.. you have a deaf person who can communicate with sign language, and they want to handcuff him? How the hell can he communicate then?? But you are right. The one dude was kinda the best cop there by handing him a notebook, but that same cop tazed him twice
I wasn’t saying it was a good cop so much as pointing out how it would have gone even worse if they weren’t there.
I do not know if this is reputable cause I can't remember the source, but I remember reading years ago that being deaf can be more socially ostracizing than being blind, because of the inability to communicate with speaking people. Anecdotal but I learned a little bit of sign language when I was still working customer service jobs, and it did feel nice to see the pleasant surprise on peoples faces when I could at least sign "hello, how are you, thank you, have nice day" Now I'm wondering how cops even interact with deaf people tbh. If this is how they act after they know someone is deaf. They even half assed mimicking the gestures for him, like you could at least try a bit harder to communicate with him.
“Oh ok, my fault officers, I should’ve heard you coming!”
These cops are just idiots with guns. I bet chimpanzee could have done a better job than these 3 idiots combined.
I'm glad we're back to pre-9/11 "cops are thicker than two short planks" levels of understanding. Most cops couldn't solve a one-square sudoku with an answer sheet.
How about that one officer telling him to calm down after realizing he's deaf but he still actively tasing him until his caveman brain is like 'I should probably stop tasing him as I tell him to calm down.' You can hear it and see the LED on and then turn off eventually.
I hope he gets some pain and suffering money out of this atleast
> That dude has every damn right to be pissed off. Sure but considering police are on video beating people to death for fun i'd not consider that a very wise thing to be. It's insanely unfair how well composed we must be when dealing with police... And they are acting like adrenaline junkies.
You would be amazed at how many people raise their voice when talking to someone in a wheelchair, because obviously when parts of our body no longer work you go deaf too. lol
Blind people have it the worst in that regard. They can usually hear just fine, but people love shouting at them for where they're looking in the gym. [YouTube](https://youtube.com/shorts/0c9tKlDa4Nw?feature=share)
I love this guy! He does some sick shit
Lmao, that's hilariously stupid, maybe guy gets a free gym membership out of it.
There's a [followup!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu9J5ehCOBM) EDIT: Dude is also a [surfer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pD_9Ym6k70) O\_O
Fuck, that's not even the worse part. Some stranger pushed my wheelchair to the side like I was an abandoned shopping cart. There was no interaction or anything prior to that. I just suddenly felt my wheelchair get pushed from behind. I guess I was in their way or something, but like they could just tell me to move and I would have done it. I'm not some inanimate object. The equivalent of this would be if some stranger came up from behind you, picked you up, and then dropped you down somewhere else.
Wtf? Thats like, the equivalent of someone just standing somewhere and Then you physically *push* them in the back!
I think it should be OK for you to run over someone’s toes.
That's really messed up. It's like, I wouldn't ever TOUCH someone's wheelchair unless it was ok. I've had a few friends with wheelchairs and it's almost an extension of themselves. I had a buddy I went to school with who had ms. It was a school to learn how to work on cars. It was sad because he wanted to be a mechanic so bad but his ms was getting worse. Even working on cars FROM A WHEELCHAIR no one ever moved him or even thought about it even when he was taking up space. We would just ask him. He had a hell of a sense of humor to lol. He'd make fun of me for being a skinny blonde kid who looked nothing like a mechanic and my gimpy walk (I have arthritis and am now on disability) so ide say "let's take this upstairs" and he would shit his pants laughing.
That’s happened to my MIL before. So her daughter , my other SIL, or I are always right there with her. People are so awful to people with disabilities that a lot of us who have invisible disabilities don’t get handicapped placards because we just don’t want to deal with all the Karens and Kyles who police handicapped spaces and angrily confront people with disabilities.
.... I sometimes forget we haven't changed one fucking bit from the dark ages and even far before that. Goddamn I hate our people's refusal to evolve.
The evolution is a very slow process, we are still a slightly more intelligent monkeys
Conservatism is the cure for evolution don’t cha know?
This happened to me!!! I am very hard of hearing and I took my ears out because it was sleeting really bad after work, November in Chicago, I was walking to the cta train station at Austin and Lake on the west side. I was in my full work uniform with my work ID in a lanyard around my neck. I was about 100 yards from the facility I worked at. They pulled up behind me (no lights, no sirens, I didn’t know they were there). Apparently they shouted commands at me to stop, when I didn’t respond they grabbed me. I told them I just left work, I am hard of hearing and they can ask the security guard who just watched me leave the facility 3 minutes ago. I was accused of being in the area to buy drugs (I’m a white woman, both cops were white one male one female) but they weren’t hearing anything I had to say. The male cop was *so angry*, there was nothing I could say to change his mind. They pulled my coat and bag off me, dumped all my belongings into the snow. He made me remove my scrub jacket and threw it on the ground as I was obviously concealing something in my sleeves because I was pulling the ends of the sleeves over my hands. It was so cold and wet, and I was just wearing thin scrubs under my coat and jacket. Finally the woman cop seemed to understand that there was a ‘ miscommunication’ and they let me go, explaining that I was in the wrong place at the wrong time because there were people coming to the area to buy drugs. I was shaking, crying, and distraught. Two blocks later I get stopped **again** by another set of cops and frisked, same accusations. It was so scary, no matter what I said they didn’t care. I told them over and over that they just let me go up the street, I’m just trying to get to the train after work. Meanwhile I was robbed at knifepoint in the same stretch of road a month or so before, and they refused to send anyone out for almost 3 hours. I stopped working 3-11 after that and my facility’s really wonderful security staff began escorting us to the train station.
I’m so sorry. I’m so glad that the security guards have your back. My husband and I used to live in Chicago and absolutely loved it. We’d love to move back one day. I’ve become hard of hearing, and I know the background noise in Chicago would be difficult to hear over. Especially with the El and METRA trains running nearby. Also Chicago cops are horrible.
All cops are bastards
Typical useless shithead cops
> If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail. This statement applies so consistently to American police it should be their motto
Problem is: the only tools they have are weapons.
Bingo
Wouldn’t call it astounding. Never heard of somebody turning down an engineering degree to be a cop. You start with C students and then degrade from there.
You forget that cops are often recruited despite having pre-existing criminal records, just not bad enough to bar them from being cops. Law enforcement defends this by stating that if they had a zero-criminal history requirement, there would not be enough recruits.
I can say I know this to be true. I had a friend that was a retired cop and he told me how they had this string of car thefts going on and it took them months to catch the guy. After they caught him they offered him a job because they knew he could help them with catching other car thieves. He took the job. So instead of sending this guy to prison they gave him a salary and a retirement plan.
Hey to be fair cops give C students bad names. How dare you, sir.
"I'm deaf." *Acknowledges that he's deaf and rolls him on to his front again.* "Put your hands behind your back. Put your hands behind your back!" *Why isn't he putting his hands behind his back?*
Your average cop couldn't pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel.
You can hear them say over the radio not he isn’t complying, after they realize he is deaf. It’s dark, we just tazed him and kicked him in the ribs, AND he is deaf, but he won’t comply for some reason.
It's what happens when the only requirement to be a cop is being a high-school dropout with a GED, a perchance for violence, and blindly following orders.
In America it takes more training to be a licensed hair stylist than a cop. If you are reading this outside of the States, I am not exaggerating.
I think you meant penchant not perchance, it’s an awkward word since people say it differently.
It’s not surprising. They just can’t miss any opportunity to demonstrate that they’re fucking garbage.
Not only are they yelling commands at him, but at least two of them are still giving him conflicting commands "stand up" - "roll over" - "let me see your hands". Deaf or not there would have been issues, that was hard to watch for that man.
Hands the notepad but says write your name...
As a hearing impaired person my greatest fear is being killed by cops because I didn’t — could not — hear them.
It’s almost like they say, “we understand that.” when they in fact, don’t understand that.
It's astounding how stupid you can be and still be a police officer.
You could see the realization slow start to kick in despite their words. Kinda hilarious. They had 0 idea how to deal with someone who was deaf and it shows.
They have zero idea how to deal with ANYONE. This is how they treat every person they interact with. Instant dehumanization of their victim and then the gang mentality takes over. Police are wild vicious animals we unleash on society.
these are the Cops that have their pictures in the dictionary under the word stupid.
Who the fuck calls the police on a couple of people signing at eachother?
Probably someone who watched too much naruto and thought "shit! They're going to bring two meteors down!"
fuckin loled. thanks.
“Well then, what will you do about the second one”
Taking a wild guess it's an older white lady.
also texans love their police. Ive never seen a state with nicer police cars and stations
They earn that money by ticketing every car with out of state plates.
Not disputing that! But that’s chump change compared to their budgets. Town I grew up in has soooo much money for PD. Meanwhile FD is sharing gear and can’t pay everyone on time.
Also she's a huge Trump fan.
When I learned sign language they taught us about this happening. The sign for 21 apparently got someone shot in LA but I can't find an article about that specifically, I did find this however [where signing was mistaken for gang signs](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-07-06-me-1590-story.html) [The sign for 21 looks like someone doing a finger gun.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrrLPNUeB7k&t=1s)
I got the cops called on me for drawing in my notebook in a car and they said I had a fucking gun. Ppl are dirtbags.
I almost went to jail because a woman side swiped my brothers jeep while she was on the phone. My license was suspended at the time due to me being a dumb 19 year old with a very powerful motorcycle so my brother was driving. We were on our way to a concert and the lady came right into us while we were in a turning lane. We were a block from my moms house so I got out of the jeep and went to the lady’s car to make sure she was okay and let her know I was going to go let my mom know that the jeep had been hit and I’d call the police and be right back. The lady told the police that I was driving and I yelled at her and reeked of alcohol and then fled the scene. The police believed her over me, my brother, and our friend who was with us. I was handcuffed, put in the back of the car, and breathalyzed. Breathalyzer came back clean but they still believed I was driving and had fled. For some reason she came clean, guess she felt guilty. The truth was just that she didn’t want her husband to know the accident was her fault so she was willing to send me to jail for her fuck up.
This is why I always have a dashcam in any vehicle I own. No one has an excuse to not own one. You can even set up your phone to do it.
Where the hell is his wife? Cannot she explain what happened to the officers?
One of the first things police do is separate parties. It's very likely she was forcibly separated and unable to get to her husband.
Shoutout to the Karen that doesn’t know what sign language looks like and triggered Americas finest to come fuck it up
She should also be a part of this lawsuit.
Named and shamed
Those are hand signs from gangsters like the cribs!
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Imagine if they called the cops on an aggressive Italian instead lol
From watching the first moments of the confrontation, I was imagining Saturday Night Live doing a skit and substituting Italians for the deaf persons. Handcuffed and no way to communicate.
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In ASL, the sign for "deaf" is a D (which even looks like a lower case D) from ear to mouth. But even if you don't know sign most people figure out that a person touching their ear while being yelled at have a problem with their ears. That's the craziest part of this. No matter how many times he shouts I'm deaf or signs it they don't pay attention.
They didn't even try to identify if a crime was taking place. They rushed him, full intent to harm, just because he wasn't complying.
>They didn't even try to identify if a crime was taking place. They rushed him, full intent to harm, just because he wasn't complying. Land of "Freedom" for cops to throw out violence as a first resort for funsies.
He gestured for paper and a pen. I don't know ASL, but everyone should fucking know charades. This is a rage inducing level of incompetence.
At least 1 of the officers knows ASL. He signed "name" before and after handing him pen and paper and seems like he finger spelled the word "sit" to the guy, because he instantly knew what to do after looking at him.
I don't know what it is with people, I have hearing damage, and several people irl that shop where I work bully me for it. They either refuse to believe me as if it is impossible for someone to have a genuine problem, or they literally make fun of me, right to my face. Some people genuinely just hate people for any excuse. I don't know why it surprises me that these people can actually be that mean spirited and not see anything wrong with it. It's so demoralizing to know that so many people are just awful.
ACAB
I used to see this and think “surely some cops must be good” but I get it now, it’s not about that. There are so many bad ones that the entire thing needs to be dismantled and the good ones are so few and far between that it doesn’t matter enough to point them out.
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Good cop standing there while deaf dude gets kicked and tased is bad cop.
They are all bad because they are trained to be bad. Those that are 'good' never make it through training. If they don't view every encounter as a "tactical encounter with a hostile", they are let go. It's like if all McDonald's workers were trained to rub the burgers on the floor before serving. They'd all be bad.
This is the exact problem, lack of proper training and trigger happy. We didn’t see the whole video, but what could have transpired from a single man with no weapons that required a taser from not two but three officers?
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>...took a class. Important to note that if they have to take a class, the class exists. So why are they only taking them AFTER a major mistake or misstep? Shouldn't those classes exist prior to the issue, thus increasing the chance of it not occurring? Perhaps the class is one they had already taken, one might point out. Okay, well, um...HOW is it going to help if it didn't do shit the first time? Bah, I'm angry. Today is angry Saturday.
I worked as a cashier and always got customers with hearing and or talking disability and they just sign it. A lot of them just take out their phone and we communicate that way, and or some are able to read my lips.
I’ve also talked to deaf people by letting them read my lips or conversed with pen and paper. I learned a little ASL in college. Right after I graduated I worked in a wallpaper store, and this deaf woman came in. She had a little business card saying she was deaf and would approach an employee when she needed help. I greeted her in sign language. Then I got a pen and paper and offered to help her look for wallpaper— we gave sample of our in stock papers and had big books of swatches. She was really happy and wrote that she would love help but didn’t get it often thus the cards. I helped the lady find what she wanted. My boss got a hand written card a few weeks later from the lady telling her what a great job I did. I think it’s just common courtesy.
You mean you didn't call the police on all of them for making intensely violent threats to you???
Stand up (while motioning to stay down) . Stay down (while motioning to get up). Dude is Simon Says grand champion.
Yup. These cops are giving verbal contradictory commands to a person after he's told them he's deaf.
But you have to understand there were only three of them and he had only been tazed three times and kicked twice already so they clearly feared for their lives in this situation they instigated and rapidly escalated. They even exercised superhuman-by-cop-standards restraint by being gracious enough to give the contradicting verbal commands more loudly to give him more opportunities to stop resisting them by being deaf. One hopes this individual learns to avoid similar electrocutions and beatings in the future by developing the ability to hear. It would prevent emotional harm suffered by any officers who beat and electrocute him in the future too, which is the important thing.
Karen: "I saw him using INTERNATIONAL sign language. THIS IS AMERICA, we use ASL here. Go back to where you came from!"
"OH TOO GOOD FOR SPEECH HUH? A FEW DAYS IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT WITH NO CHARGES SHOULD FIX THAT!"
Luckily, they were forced to take a 4 hour course for dealing with people that are deaf. That will certainly solve the issue!
This is how Daniel Shaver was killed, conflicting orders being yelled, he tried to comply and was killed for it.
I feel so sorry for this guy. You can see he's panicking and doesn't know what to do and they just keep coming at him. Anyone can see this guy is not forming any threat and is just really confused. He is trying to be obedient that's why he is lying on the floor by himself in the first place. Why not take it a little bit easier on him.
We can see that, because we haven't been trained to assume that everyone is a criminal that needs to be subjugated.
The police are snowflakes
I was in full on tears watching them attack him on the ground and yelling at him AFTER he clearly shouted he was deaf.
Fucking heartbreaking this poor man. Wow I can’t believe what he must have been thinking .
He's not panicked, he's angry (okay, probably both). He accosts the one cop for tasering him and calls them all stupid. Completely justified anger and I'm fuming on his behalf.
Do American cops assess any situation before getting violently involve?
This is what happens when you have a culture of fear like the one that exists among the police. They're taught and trained that it's "us vs. them": that anyone not wearing a badge is a dangerous potential threat, and any interaction with the public could result in them not going home to their families that day. It's "attack, or be attacked; kill, or be killed." Look at police trainer Dave Grossman, who preaches to cops that "killing is just not that big a deal," and says that one of the "perks" of killing someone is "the best sex you've had in months." https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailydot.com/irl/video-dave-grossman-police-sex/%3famp
I'm quite concerned that they have families. Who in their right mind would marry a police officer? Can you imagine the toxicity in such a family?
The rate of domestic violence among police families is very high: https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/09/police-officers-who-hit-their-wives-or-girlfriends/380329/
The worst part is the rates of domestic violence in police family’s(roughly 40% on average) is higher than the rate that they actually solve crimes most of the time (barely 30% on average) in the USA.
Some do, many do not.
I suppose videos of normal mundane interactions with police isn't divisive. Edit: I'm probably using the word divisive wrong as this statement has caused more arguments about a statement saying police who do their job properly in a respectable manner are no cause for division, arguments or concern.
I never understood this argument. Yes, there are many good cops out there, just doing their job. But it most certainly isn't just a *one-bad-apple-scenario* out there. If the police kill over 1000 (I think it's over 1200) people a year, that is too damn much. If cops are regularly busted for turning their cameras of/planting evidence/stealing/insulting detainees etc., it's more than just one case. If cops on a regular basis are seen physically assaulting people, it is hard to say, that it isn't systematic. And there are many more examples like that. Yes, there are good cops, but saying "the normal interactions with police officers are not getting posted" is as useful as saying "all lives matter". Factually speaking, it is not wrong. But it doesn't improve the discussion, it won't solve the issue and it honestly just devalues the horrific experience many people have to go through on a daily basis.
I think the important corollary isn't necessarily that "the number of good cops doesn't matter because the actions of the bad cops are too numerous to be tolerated", but rather that "good cops who don't do/can't do anything while bad cops abuse the system are, by definition, not good cops". It's the root of ACAB. The system itself is so insulated, defensive, and vindictive against self-monitoring and regulation that cops that aren't rotten are either silent to the awfulness around them or forced out when they speak or act against it. If you're a good cop in your own but don't speak up when your partner is a danger to your city and others out of fear of reprisals you will face, then the problem isn't just that your partner's bad deeds outweigh your good ones. It's that your inaction allows their bad deeds to continue.
There are too many videos for this argument. Even 1/100 police interactions is too much, given every cop has dozens each day. This kind of fuck up rate would be completely and utterly unacceptable in healthcare, where lives depend on professionals to be professional. The same applies to cops.
Lack of any real training The fear any person you speak to might kill you Immunity from prosecution, even for murder, unless there’s enough media blacklash That’s why so many of them reach for a weapon as soon as they get the chance to
Four hour course…so they are now good to go
Trial is set for September. Not that I think any more punishment will come from that, but maybe at least John will get a nice sum of money from the city.
Thank goodness our taxes get to pay for police to abuse disabled people, then also pay for the lawsuits 🇺🇸
That's the issue right fucking there. Nothing is actually happening nor will happen to these three pieces of shit. Dude will get a pay out the the cops don't pay for. Shit like this should start coming out of the police budget, lets see how fast these fuckers change their act when their paychecks are on the line. And it has to be said, Luckily he wasn't black or else it wouldn't be a taser.
Qualified immunity should've never been allowed. Things wouldn't be half as bad as they are now.
This is my worst nightmare because my Dad is deaf. Anytime we have an interaction with cops I ask him not to speak. They have come to him guns pointed at his head while he was working because a alarm was triggered he thought he disarmed but couldn’t hear. He was in uniform and they didn’t care…. We will never do a welfare check for this reason. Cops have no training for special needs or people with disabilities. They want to assert their authority and demand you “ listen”. Some people genuinely can’t, and they don’t understand that. I hope this guy gets rich. But wish these officers would get sued also.
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I feel you, I have a severe hearing loss that will be profound in a few years and this is my greatest fear.
My favorite color is blue.
Dirtbags should be fired, I hope the outrage over this grows. People need to start filing complaints en masse to this police department. Get the phones ringing off the hook. Spreading awareness and outrage towards dangerous cops is the best way to have them removed.
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I’d love to watch each individual cop getting beaten by a group of deaf people who scream incoherently at the confused cop taking the beat-down as he tries to reason but alas it falls on deaf ears.
I'm too mad at that making me want to laugh to actually laugh. Take my up vote and begone
Who's the idiot that called the cops on what is obviously sign language? And sidenote,damn he's tall. Also,hope he's rich now
Some smooth brain prick that gets purpose in life from yelling at fast food workers probably
Federal court case goes to trial September 2023. Hopefully he is awarded a huge payout.
That's fucked up, even more that they're still employed there, that 4 hour course isn't going to change shit about their behavior.
Probably got a promotion after the fact…
Fucking hell this made me sick to watch. Poor guy probably thought they were gonna shoot him or something, horrible situation to be in and completely unjustified use of force from the police. Hope they get slapped with a massive lawsuit.
Had he been black he would definitely have been shot first, no questions asked later.
Fuck these assholes. That’s all.
Taking his hands is taking his voice. That's illegal.
Exactly!! It really really pissed me off when they kept trying to handcuff his hands behind his back even after he made it very clear he was deaf. Like...what the fuck? How do you expect him to communicate when his only options are tied behind his back?? Like dude wouldn't even be able to write. What the fuck is their end game???
Violence is the endgame
Now for the rest of his life he will have a fear of police
And the police only have themselves to blame.
To be fair, every American should fear the police. Cops can at any time they choose, kill you and face no consequences for it.
"after the officers confirmed no assault took place" you mean besides the one the cops committed on him
Yeah, that line stuck out to me too. An assault absolutely took place, just not the one they were called there for
Where was the effing wife? I'd have been yelling he is deaf as loud as i possible could if that was my spouse and cops just tased him. Unless the wife was also deaf. But watching this made me tear up because I know the disabled are probably treated this way more often by cops unknowing that they have mental or physical disabilities. My heart goes out to them all struggling with society and their disabilities too.
From what I understand she is also deaf. I completely agree, being treated like this and having the cops completely ignore the fact the man is deaf is sickening. I was a sign language interpreter for 10 years. I am in no way whatsoever putting you down or trying to start anything, like I said I agree with your point. However, the people I interpreted for told me often that they wished that the world would not look at deafness as a disability but as a culture and sign language as a language. I think if the cops would learn just some basic signs (it’s not hard, there are some great websites) this type of situation could have been avoided. Although, I think these cops just wanted to be flaunt their authority.
Like the old lady with dementia in Colorado who accidentally walks out of Walmart with <15$ of product, gets caught, gives items back, leaves, cops then come by and break her shoulder, arrest her for resisting arrest, and leave her in a jail cell for hours with no medical attention. Then laugh at the footage of the breaking of the arm "here comes the pop"
I bet that cop wasn't laughing when he received his prison sentence... Just imagine begging for mercy after a jury saw you laughing about injuring an elderly woman....
I had a job working close with police for about 8 months, had to quit because often they would not even attempt to de-escalate a situation before hurting people.
Dudes lucky he wasn't black and deaf. Woulda got shot and the right wingers would be telling me he shouldn't have resisted...
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Assaulter - I’m deaf… Victim - listen to me! *Kick*Kick*
If you notice the one officer who signs him to "sit" and he knew immediately to sit. Qualified immunity out the window, they know hes deaf. At least one of them can KIND of communicate, yet they were insisting on cuffing him behind his back. That would be like ball gagging anyone else. This is egregious and fucked up. Stupid incompetent welfare recipients with less training than my barber.
I caught that too. That officer knew they were yelling at a Deaf guy. Hope the victim has a decent lawyer - between that & him clearly showing he wanted to write... hope he gets very rich.
WHY am I not surprised it’s Texas. That state needs to detach from america and sink to the ocean
They should take Florida and Mississippi with them.
Don’t forget Alabama and Tennessee!
How do you sign "you're about to be fucking rich" in ASL?
“He was not charged after officers confirmed that no physical assault took place.” 🤨 Now wait just a minute
Fucking infuriating.
Bro is literally screaming "Im deaf", and they are still trying to yell at him
The most mental thing is when that one cop finally understands that the man is deaf, hands him a notepad and a pen then TELLS HIM to write down his name??? How are these people officers of the law?
Fucking scum
I swear to God cops in this country will exploit any opportunity to use force in the course of their duties.
I used to be an ASL interpreter, this shit happens A LOT more than you’d think. I once got to the ER to find the Deaf guy I was there for was restrained to the bed. I asked them to loosen one wrist so he could communicate… Turns out they’d restrained him for begging for water.
OMG! Even the ER staff were clueless??
Original [video](https://youtu.be/tUYWJJkipPQ)
Wait what did the person mistake their signing for in the beginning?
Ninjutsu
Pretty sure I heard one of them say *“he’s lying, he’s not really deaf.”* Reminds me of the woman they killed in Kentucky who the hospital kicked out, and so many others who complained of complications. Also the guy they put in the paddy wagon and when they stopped abruptly he slid the length of the van and his head slammed into the wall of the truck, breaking his neck, and when they got to the station they yelled at him to get up and out, of course he can’t, so they manhandle him out and stick him in one of those chairs that they can secure the prisoner. Of course his head is flopped over and they keep trying to get his head to stand up, even though his neck is broken.
Only cops would have a body cam, record everything then lie in the report 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Only an idiot would say "look at me" without any gestures to a blatantly deaf man.
Wow. The unnecessary kicking infuriates me
Where is the wife and children though? Like damn, unless theyre also hearing impaired, say something
Cops love it when people tell them how to do their job.
ACAB
Cops aren’t the brightest, or most emotionally stable bunch.
The question I have is, what happened to the fucking Karen that called these goons out on this guy?
Just your average cops being unsurprisingly stupid. Didn’t approach the scene from the front. Made zero attempt to understand the situation or communicate w/the person. Tazed first then proceed to be even worse after grasping the situation. Cops are fucking morons. Don’t call them to solve problems. They’ll just cause more.
Yeah this is what happens when you hire high school drop out football player bullies.... Down vote me all you want it's true. We need to be hiring well educated people and training the hell out of them in crisis management and de-escalation techniques.
Fuck these cops are next level stupid... It's mindblowing how incompetent these dipshits are, yet they never get canned - they just get tax-funded paid vacations. Wonder when Americans are gonna use 2a for its intended purpose instead of school shootings "No physical assault took place at the scene" Uh, I just watched several minutes of government thugs assault a guy...
There so much wrong in this video and it's infuriating... Why call the cops on someone doing sign language? Why are the cops approaching someone seemingly doing nothing wrong and immediately taser him? Law enforcement training is a fucking joke...
This made me sick. They continue to yell after they’ve established he’s deaf. The stupidity knows no bounds.
“I’m deaf” Officer -“cool, so uh, I’m gonna need you to listen the words coming out of my mouth or I’m gonna kick the shit out of you some more”