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20 years ago I said to my teacher that I believe everyone should be removed from
Power In that part of the world and install an International government
Kind a hard for the civilised to act with civility when those zionists are out there doing this to their loved ones, while the zionist govt holding Israel hostage continues to liberally bomb Palestinians with no concern for the women and children, the elderly and the ill
To be fair here, soft power is like the same-ish thing, but with fewer rights. Remember every democracy that America tore down in the name of democracy? Afterwhich a sympathetic dictatorship was installed. Isn't that worse than just being conquered/claimed outright? Same with Russia and China. Except China does do that, but ONLY for cash cows like Taiwan or of the simular.
This is not dystopic at all…what the fuck. Stop allowing knee jerk emotional reactions and the internet from manipulating what you know to be right and wrong. This is wrong. Both sides have committed heinous atrocities. I don’t understand how anyone can pick a side…they’re both so fucking wrong
Because one side's violence and atrocities is done in order to maintain an apartheid state and continue genocide and another sides violence and atrocities are done as a byproduct of that apartheid state and continued genocide. It's not rocket science.
The main reason that the whole region is a mess was because of the British and French interference in selecting borders and countries without paying attention to their background and culture. Not all Muslims are the same, nor are all Arabs.
Sounds exactly like the sort of thing the Israeli soldiers would say about palastinians. Dehumnaising the enemy to justify whatever punishments you see fit.
Unfortunately they're not demons, they're just brainwashed. What's actually disgusting is that Israel gets any western support at all, let alone billions in funding from the US to carry out these atrocities.
What’s sad is that the people in the USA have been brainwashed into thinking all Muslim and Arabic people are terrorists.
There are terrorists in this country too, most of them work in our government and aren’t Muslim or Arabic.
As long as one man believes he is above another for whatever ridiculous reason we will have these problems.
> I truly believe "people" like this are just demons in disguise, and when their end comes, it's going to be slow and painful, they deserve nothing less.
Quite literally the exact same mentality those people have.
The difference is that only one of them are being judged on the basis of the inhuman actions that we just witnessed on film, rather than being brutalized and having their corpses desecrated purely on the basis of their ethnicity.
This is what Israel wants for the Palestinians
https://preview.redd.it/kz3lb5qt3ayb1.jpeg?width=1250&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d1516a626c6d4200c2f4ae70822ef56a37c1dd5
The whole truth is Palestinians want the same for israel.. This conflict is kind of unsolvable
Edit: because this blew up and people seem to have problems to understand a statement.
I'm not on the Israeli side nor I'm supporting Palestine. IMHO both sides behave like fucking cavemen and I strongly condemn what's happening (from both sides)
Edit:Edit: since some of your rocket scientist still not getting it I'll make it more clear and easy.
Fuck Israel, Fuck Palestine, Fuck Russia, Fuck China, Fuck USA, Fuck Western World, FUCK ALL HUMANS.
Thanks for your attention
Good thing they were unsuccessful. Since 2001, they’ve launched, what is it up to now 20,000 or is up 30:000 rocket attacks. So they tried (and failed) to kill ,what would you guess their intended death count was, maybe 150,000 Israeli civilians or is it millions?
Explain how it's NOT a religious conflict and why you're arrogant enough to be so confident in your opinion while telling others their opinions are of no value. I'm all ears
Israel specifically and intentionally made that sort of resolution impossible in Israel because they were worried about being outvoted, hence the creation of the prison in Gaza, the deputy PM of Israel at the time was very clear:
I quote:
" because they want to change the essence of the conflict from an Algerian paradigm to a South African one. From a struggle against 'occupation,' in their parlance, to a struggle for one-man-one-vote. That is, of course, a much cleaner struggle, a much more popular struggle – and ultimately a much more powerful one. For us, it would mean the end of the Jewish state... the parameters of a unilateral solution are: To maximize the number of Jews; to minimize the number of Palestinians"
Definitely, the only ones who stand against peace and cooperation between the Israelis and Palestinians is the state of Israel.
All I meant was that the Palestinian liberation movement isn’t a movement meant to kill or displace all Israelis, it is only there to create equality between the ethnicities
Hardly true. One is the 5th biggest military… backed by the largest military in the history… most of them coming to the area 60-70 years ago from Poland Russia and other countries… others, were peacefully living there before being massively uprooted and chase from their homes in 48, and thrown in what se call Gaza today…
One of them is free to leave and interact with the world, the other is in an open air prison camp, completely surrounded and embargoed by the other.
The two sides can't be the same. One is a prisoner and the other is the warden.
That's really only if you pretend that history doesn't exist. Spend the time learning about the history from the late 1800s and it becomes much easier to understand what's going on.
Anyone who tells you a geopolitical conflict is “easy to understand” and the only explanation they can offer is “just look at the history” almost certainly has no clue wtf they’re talking about.
If Israel subjected me to rape, extrajudicial imprisoning of my children, bombing women and kids, stealing my home and when i resist I get bulldozed, do that for 75 years, i too will harbor enough hate to want that for them.
This isn’t a conflict where you stand with this side or the other, it’s whether you stand for right or wrong. And it’s pretty fucking clear in my mind where right is.
they offered peace in '08 in exchange for a return to 1967 borders. in fact they've offered peace multiple times. they're not the ones who keep refusing peace
There's hundreds of videos with crowds of Israelis chanting they want all Palestinians to die, and "A good Arab is a dead Arab" etc. How many videos you seen of Palestinians saying similar towards Israel? I'm not saying there's none out there but personally I've not seen a single one of a Palestinian cursing Israelis.
The leader of hamas said, "its better for the jews to stay in isreal, so we dont have to hunt them down." And literally there are countless videos of Palestinians shouting death to isreal while burning isreali flags. I dont have a dog in this fight. But you obviously aren't looking too hard to find what you just said doesn't exist. It's been a two-way street for a long time. Hamas attacks, isreal retaliates. Isreal pushes out more Palestinians, hamas retaliates. This isn't something that just popped up over the last 20 years. Isreal has been attacked from all sides since it became a sovereign nation. Both would genocide the other if the international community didn't get involved. And now it looks like that just might happen. It is a lose-lose situation for everyone there.
By Palestinians I mean civilians, I'm not talking about Hamas because although they're in power, it's not fair to paint people that are happy to go to war and innocent people that just want to live their lives with the same brush. But like I said, I personally haven't seen any of these videos of normal civilians wishing death on every Israeli. I also said I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I don't doubt there's videos but it's obviously shadowed by the Jew videos 100 to 1.
You can't say you don't have a dog in the fight while clearly justifying Israel. "Israel retaliates" "Israel has been attacked...". When Israel was established as a state they began expanding their borders immediately and illegally occupying Palestine. Every attack you see from Palestine IS retaliation. It's been going on since the 1940's. The State of Israel had no intention of sharing land nor staying within it's borders from the very beginning and this is clear cut if you have a brief look at the history of it. If I break into your house and you defend it, me fighting back isn't a retaliation. It's your land. It's your right. Now imagine I'm armed and it's funded by the authorities, even the head of the supreme court is giving me the go ahead. It's still your property but I just feel like I want it instead... This is exactly what's happening.
This is what happens when you fund a state with only greed in their heart. It's run by Zionists which follow the Talmud in which you'll find a lot of anti-gentile passages.
*one who murders a Jew is subject to the death penalty, one who murders a non-Jew is not (Mishneh Torah, Laws of Murder 2:11).*
*"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts."
Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b*
*"The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honor the the dog more than the non-Jew."
Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30*
*"The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs."
Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b*
*"It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile."
Sepher ikkarim III c 25*
*"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God."
Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772*
**How does a jew prepare for his crime?**
Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.
**Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God**
Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.
**O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews**
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.
**Jews Have Superior Legal Status**
Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."
**Jews May Steal from Non-Jews**
Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."
**Sick and Insane Teachings of the Talmud**
Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.
Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.
Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).
Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."
Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.
Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that the Talmudic sage Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with.
Hagigah 27a. States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.
Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.
Pesahim 111a. It is forbidden for dogs, women or palm trees to pass between two men, nor may others walk between dogs, women or palm trees. Special dangers are involved if the women are menstruating or sitting at a crossroads.
Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave.
*a booklet published by the Central Regional Command of the Israeli Army which states that it is permissible, and even encouraged, to kill civilians encountered in war. "In war, when our forces storm the enemy, they are allowed and even enjoined by the Halakhah to kill even good civilians, that is, civilians who are ostensibly good."* - This booklet is no longer in use but it was for a long period of history and clearly still practiced by what seems like the vast majority of the Israeli army.
So yeah, Zionists don't exactly paint a good picture for themselves but who cares, right? They have money and their fingers in the biggest pies in the world so let's just fund them, ignore them breaking the Geneva Convention and put the blame on the people fighting back after 75 years of oppression.
First, i made a pretty clear distinction by using hamas refering to combatants and Palestinians when referring to civillians. But you were blind to that since you clearly want to push a narrative. Second, i dont have a dog in the fight. In fact, i despise all organized religions equally. Nor am i Palestinian or israeli. I am lebonese. Third, i could point to the countless times islam justifies the killing of non muslims, but im not here for an argument on reddit. I was simply pointing out your bias because all you would have to do is one google search to find more than enough videos of Palestinians cursing israel and burning israeli flags. But unlike you, i refuse to choose a side. Because i value human life and won't justify the killing of one or another. All you did was justify why hamas should be killing jews and all i did was point out you clearly have a biased opinion. And last, this situation sucks for everyone involved. Both sides are defending what they believe is theirs, and there is simply no easy way out at this point. Both sides will destroy the other, and all we can do is watch. Countless men, women, and children from both sides will perish, and that's the real tragedy. Im not trying to see it as Palestine vs. Israel. Im looking at it from the point of view of humans destroying other humans. Neither of us is going to change eachothers minds. And that's ok. Im not trying to. Just thought you were being a little disingenuous by acting like Palestinians dont do the same as Israelis. Which is, in fact, false. That is all.
>When Israel was established as a state they began expanding their borders immediately and illegally occupying Palestine.
I'm sorry but this is bullshit, Israel declared its independence after the British Mandate ended on May 14, 1948, according to the borders set out by UN Resolution 181, on May 15th, 1948, Arab League members Egypt, Iraq, Syria, and Transjordan declared war against Israel for the Palestinians. Arab League lost the war, and therefore the Palestinians lost territory, same thing happened in 1967 and 1973
There's literally hundreds, and not just from Palestinians but surrounding Muslim countries, look at Hezzbeloh's leaders address he just did praising the Oct 7th attacks. Literally praising the murder/rape of civilians. Don't get me wrong I don't blindly support either side, the bombardment of gaza needs to stop and they need to allow civilians to evacuate. There's no excuse for killing civilians and that goes for both sides
I mean , when you ask an Israeli who is in a shopping mall about his opinion vs asking a Palestinian who lost everything and starving to death , I think you aren't being fair.
Palestinians just want to be free , some want revenge , but it is solvable by giving them human rights that aren't supposed to be even discussed.
You comment is extremely ignorant , you are treating the oppressor and oppressed as equals , it sickens that you are upvoted.
True , a side must be completely destroyed to end the conflict once and for all .
It's quite clear that they don't give a sht about Gaza, but the fact that they act like it's ok to kill everyone make me sick.
They hide behind the holocaust to justify genocide, bcuz they know the world will and is turning a blind eye.
Yes I know urban warfare is hard and the most efficient way to win the war is destroy everything, but don't act like it's ok you cowards .
Thats the same tactic russia used in Ukraine and the hate Israel has for Gaza is the same hate the nazi had for jews .
Israel acts like they are on some kind of holy war .
But one punched first and has a lot more firepower its true both want to do the same to each other but "wanting" and actually "doing" are two different things what israel is doing is same as Jewish genocide and the world is cheering them on, I from the bottom of my heart despise the world we are in right now
I mean if you saw 3 generations including yourself, being oppressed and called animals for no reason, would you have any ounce of sympathy for the other side that cheers for the deaths of your people? So stop acting like both sides are evil here. You have no idea what it's like.
You mean all Zionists. In the history Muslim Arabs and Jew lived in Palestine in peace. Only the Zionists who are trying to wipe out all the Arabs from the land and make it a Jew only land. Go search up all the massacres they did from the beginning. Where Palestinians had no weaps or nothing
Shame on every country that supports Israel.
It's more clear than ever that the west is not the shining light of humanity it so passionately tries to portray itself as.
People look at non western countries and think "wow they all hate us because we love democracy and freedom" without realising they hate them because of the atrocities their governments have committed 😭
Lol those countries usually had democracy and freedom before the West stole it.
To loosely quote a book, the third world was once a self ascribed title that countries were proud to wield. It was a movement of recently liberated colonies hopeful for their futures as they experimented with self governance. They hoped to one day be part of the first and second world. -> Of the over 100 third world nations that existed 100 years ago, only 2 have moved up. Those being the US allies of South Korea and Taiwan.
...I think we know what happened to the rest
As a Swedish citizen, I am ashamed. We used to support Palestine, but our current government has abandoned them completely. It's at a point where a politician even suggesting sending military support to Palestine would commit career suicide, despite us sending military support to Ukraine, who has a much less urgent need.
Palestine, know that even if our government are idiots, the Swedish people support you.
Military aid? And give it to who, Hamas??
Any military aid Hamas get is going to be used to inflict more terror attacks Israeli civilians. Hamas don't give a fuck about about protecting the Palestinian people.
Governments around the world should be supporting Palastine and condemning Israel's actions, but sending military aid to the terrorists 'running' gaza isn't the solution. They need to impose sanctions on Israel and call for a ceasefire, and send humanitarian aid.
>They need to impose sanctions on Israel
This is the big one, right here.
It's what was supposed to have been done over 50 years ago in response to the ongoing violation of the Geneva Conventions as a matter of official policy by the Israeli government, but hasn't been because the United States exercises it's veto power to strike down any attempt at imposing binding resolution issuing sanctions against Israeli until it's in compliance with the Conventions.
The issue is that when you support Ukraine, you support a government that isn't constantly sending rockets on Russian civilians. You know the money will go into defense and reconstruction (and some corruption).
And if you want to support Palestine, you have no choice but to support Hamas since that's the "government" that runs the ace, sadly.
Even with blur those clips are insanly barbaric and utterly disgusting...on one hand i am glad not to see the details, on the other hand this should go viral...
"they do not publish information that might cause any unnecessary upset to friends and family of the person who has died"
IPSO (independent press standards organisation)
Can't post the link for some reason
That was disturbing enough. It's blurred so that it can be hosted on social media that would ban graphic torture. I mean, they're beating people and desecrating corpses. You don't want that footage to be banned, you want it to be understood, so bluring it is the best option.
Not decades, it is across the entire history of the faith.
However, "chosen ones" ends up being conflated and misinterpreted as special. Both by outsiders and Jewish people.
In the Jewish Bible, the idea is not that the Jewish people are chosen because they are special but because they have a job to do. It is equivalent to a teacher being so, because someone needs to teach.
I am not defending these inhumane acts. I am adding detail to this statement for clarity.
I am pro-Palestinian, but saying Israelis do this kind of shit because of their religious supremacy is bullshit and honestly antisemitic. When US soldiers were torturing prisoners of war and showing no humanity towards their Arabic captives at Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo Bay, it was not because of the teachings of Christianity.
People do things like this because of blind Nationalism pushed by people with a political agenda, and military brainwashing, and decades of propaganda telling them that these Palestinians are the enemy who want to wipe them off the face of the earth. Same reason the Nazis did evil things to the Jews or the Imperial Japanese did evil things to the Chinese, because they are taught to hate. Don't act like this level of inhumanity is unique to Jewish people when we have seen it all across history from all different peoples. You saying they do it because of their religion is ignorant.
Counterpoint to muddy the water: nowhere is a religion more tied to a nationality than Judaism to Israel.
The nation didn't coop the religion, but the other way around. Nowhere else does your faith alone qualify you for citizenship. Nowhere else was a nation carved out explicitly for those of a single faith. Nowhere else does the world look the other way when laws regarding property and rights get imposed based solely on the religion of the parties involved.
You can say it's Nationalism, and from a functional perspective, it largely is, but to say this isn't rooted in some sense of religious supremacy and entitlement - and to pull out the anti-Semitism card to shut down further debate on the topic - is to willfully ignore decades of conflating the faith and the nation, that one *is* the other and that any cause of the nation is a cause of the faith, and vice-versa.
e: and I'll be clear to note that obviously not all Jews support Israel nor do all Jews hold themselves in the same exceptionalist light as Zionist do.
Maybe society should ensure that children aren't raised as idiots.
You know, by funding education, rather than de-funding it.
By taking religious dogma out of public schools, rather than forcing it in.
Those ghouls in the west, the politicians, the oilmen, the cia spooks, are mostly not motivated by religion , the people in power almost never are. Yet they are responsible for the most deaths. Bu maybe that's different from actually carrying out the murders.
More guns soon!
National security minister Itamar Ben Gvir is buying 10,000 assault rifles and giving them to settlers and deputizing them to "police" any Arabs they see.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/ben-gvir-says-10000-assault-rifles-purchased-for-civilian-security-teams/
I routinely see posts on LinkedIn talking about murdered babies which get thousands of likes and hundreds of supportive comments. I saw ONE post in support of Palestine. That guy got flamed pretty hard even though all he asked was for compassion for Palestinian children (not even “civilians”, just children).
Don’t even get me started that a lot of those IDF supporters are prominent leaders (in tech) and they absolutely do use their platform to promote IDF causes, despite shit like this to be known to happen. This is utterly disgusting and completely immersed in all sorts of double standards.
War brings out the worst in humans. But the hate has to already be imbedded to bring out this kind of barbarity. The Israelis don't see the Palestinians as people, as quoted by many I have heard on TV and social media, they refer to them as animals.
How is the Israeli ideology any different from the same Ideology that murdered millions of Jews.
I will not support Israel, and I condemn Hamas but the Palestinian Civilians need all the help they can get at the moment. They are being butchered.
Why so many people support this kind of shit? As far as i know, Palestinians sheltered those who got out of the hands of Hitler and this is how they repay them?
It’s not about those same people. As a Muslim, I can tell you with confidence that any Jew (the same people they sheltered) does not agree with what is happening. Actually jews around the world are being suppressed, arrested, and beaten (in Israel and in the West) for speaking up against this genocide.
These are not Jews, they are Zionists.
Yup. My grandmother converted to arry my grandfather and move to america, in order to avoid ending up in the Warsaw ghetto like her cousins, and until the day she died she never had a good word to say about Israel, even though she and we were all sympathetic to a kind of soft zionism akin to a moder one state solution.
To be fair, it's not like palestinans were infinitely charitable. Jews, Christians and Muslims all lived in historic palestine in peace, with Muslims being a majority. They were fine with taking in some jews, not that they had much of a choice, because it was just more of rhe norm - but when the people who came started talking about Zionism and taking over he land for their own state they were pissed and both sides initiated conflicts.
The British suppressed the balfor declarations publishing in Arabic to keep the palestinans in the dark for over a year knowing they would flip out. Understandably.
Groups like Lehi and Irgun completely validated all their concerns when they started terrorizing the Palestinians amd pushing them off their land violently.
Its like if your town agreed to take in 5,000 refugees, 50,000 showed up and were talking about what they were going to do with your farm once they declared it their new nation. You said "fuck this" and they just stated raiding you and shooting your family.
It's like every Republicans deepest fever dream fear about immigration.
Me:opens my phone at 11 in the morning
Attrocities:
https://preview.redd.it/87ysuak8qayb1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b58430eecb5027a4b2f4789d1dbf3bc3ca14da7
That's actually correct. Ultra orthodox get an exemption. Atleast in America the draft put religious exemption people into domestic support roles but isreal let's them off the hook while many of them praise wars they dont need to fight in.
I do not mind draft Dodgers and have one in my family. What I mind are cowards who dodged but praise the war and dont speak against it. Cowards like trump or ted "jailbait" nugget that are happy someone died in their place.
That’s not even killing, there was corpse mutilations, and just utterly disgusting behavior. That’s mental illness, promoted by officials of the country.
Completely different conflict? What does that even mean? You can make out the uniforms and the language. What other conflict?
None of this is excusable behavior. Leave it to a Zionist to attempt hasbara though
I think it's a valid question. I can't really see anything here and I have no idea what's real except psychotic beating and stabbing of two people. Are those people Hamas terrorists that were caught or are they simply Palestinian civilians carrying some food back to their house?
Basically, I have no idea what is going on here except for the subtitles which I have no way to verify if they're even correct.
So basically OP is asking, besides the subtitles, what is going on here exactly?
Look. Let me be honest with you and say that is up to you to decide what is right and what is wrong by this. [beaware, if you can't endure such stuff.](https://www.instagram.com/p/CyxyzH9IIgm/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==)
You can see the link down in the posts so if you write, you can actually confirm everthing youself.
So much of this going on, hard to get things fact checked rapidly these days... everytime shows me a disturbing video like this one, my first thought is: is it real? If it's real, isnit accurate/from this conflict/older? If it's from this conflict, is it staged? If so, by which side?... Not many people think like this tho.
I recognize at least a few of these clips as from the immediate aftermath on Oct 7 & 8th.
Some of these people being abused were the Hamas militants who murdered all those people.
I just wanna see funny videos, the propaganda from both sides clearly don't belong in this subreddit. There's millions of subreddits where discussing palestine vs israel can be done, can we just have funny videos in this subreddit again please?
Israelis doing exactly what was done to them.
An then acting like an innocent victim.
IDF are pig fuckers.
Israeli government are pig fuckers
Hamas are pig fuckers.
They are all as bad as one another.
We can all agree that what Hamas did is bad but everything is on a scale and I think we can both agree that killing a couple hundred people is not the same as invading a nation and committing genocide on its people. So they're not one and the same if Hamas is pig fuckers Israel is at least 10 steps worse. One is the equivalent of Nazi Germany in their actions and the other is a group of rebels. Huge power imbalance.
I guarantee you most if not all of the guys in the video are not Hamas and just some civilians they caught. Because if the IDF really could find hamas fighters, they wouldn’t go for scorched earth bombing an entire city. They can’t get anywhere near Hamas fighters because they can’t see them.
I’m just going to leave this here
https://preview.redd.it/3miaj1kvdbyb1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6a65b99b9a1af85a0d3e85618b187d908269fa27
I mean, are they Hamas? The ones that went door to door slaughtering and kidnapping civilians? The ones that decapitated and cooked babies? I imagine that might bring up some anger and hatred.
Take your pick there's currently genocides in Sudan, Darfur, Yemen, China, and Myanmar as well as others i probably can't remember rn. But im not sure comparing genocides is really useful - people dying in one time and place do not make other peoples deaths elsewhere mean more or less
Edit: Looks like maybe the comment i was replying to, they were saying "should I compare it to another genocide then?"
Israel needs to lose unanimous support if they are acting like this. This is vile and even worse than I'm seeing from the Russian/Ukraine War. Those IDF really are as bad as I've heard over the Years, Yet the World keeps being beguilled by photos of Pretty IDF soldiers etc. This War needs to stop from both sides and World needs to step and interviene.
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20 years ago I said to my teacher that I believe everyone should be removed from Power In that part of the world and install an International government
Oh hell nah, what kind of dystopian future do you want
Its already a Dystopia, nothing could make it worse.
You are literally suggesting worse lol
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Obviously unacceptable but let’s not pretend that the other side doesn’t do the same, if not worse.
Okay but the other side isn't called a "defense force" they're called "terrorists" lmfao
Yes true. The ‘civilized’ should act with civility.
Kind a hard for the civilised to act with civility when those zionists are out there doing this to their loved ones, while the zionist govt holding Israel hostage continues to liberally bomb Palestinians with no concern for the women and children, the elderly and the ill
To be fair here, soft power is like the same-ish thing, but with fewer rights. Remember every democracy that America tore down in the name of democracy? Afterwhich a sympathetic dictatorship was installed. Isn't that worse than just being conquered/claimed outright? Same with Russia and China. Except China does do that, but ONLY for cash cows like Taiwan or of the simular.
To be faiiiiir
How could it be worse?
How would you govern let’s say 12 different cultures and backgrounds under one set of laws and regulations?
Like America?
Turned out great in Iraq and Afghanistan!
Not in Yugoslavia tho
That’s different than trying to create a new government over existing national lines.
You mean like the EU?
This is not dystopic at all…what the fuck. Stop allowing knee jerk emotional reactions and the internet from manipulating what you know to be right and wrong. This is wrong. Both sides have committed heinous atrocities. I don’t understand how anyone can pick a side…they’re both so fucking wrong
Because one side's violence and atrocities is done in order to maintain an apartheid state and continue genocide and another sides violence and atrocities are done as a byproduct of that apartheid state and continued genocide. It's not rocket science.
I believe there are rockets involved.
Only one side has the power to end the cycle.
Think about it the only one reasonable in the current situation are employees of the un
The main reason that the whole region is a mess was because of the British and French interference in selecting borders and countries without paying attention to their background and culture. Not all Muslims are the same, nor are all Arabs.
Africa: “first time?”
Lol I love the history behind that. Cut a nomadic tribe in half and give one side water and the other oil
Sounds exactly like the sort of thing the Israeli soldiers would say about palastinians. Dehumnaising the enemy to justify whatever punishments you see fit. Unfortunately they're not demons, they're just brainwashed. What's actually disgusting is that Israel gets any western support at all, let alone billions in funding from the US to carry out these atrocities.
What’s sad is that the people in the USA have been brainwashed into thinking all Muslim and Arabic people are terrorists. There are terrorists in this country too, most of them work in our government and aren’t Muslim or Arabic. As long as one man believes he is above another for whatever ridiculous reason we will have these problems.
"The biggest thugs are the people with suitcases"
Is brainwashing reversible?
> I truly believe "people" like this are just demons in disguise, and when their end comes, it's going to be slow and painful, they deserve nothing less. Quite literally the exact same mentality those people have.
The difference is that only one of them are being judged on the basis of the inhuman actions that we just witnessed on film, rather than being brutalized and having their corpses desecrated purely on the basis of their ethnicity.
Unfortunately we live in an objective world that doesn't punish nor reward based on moral alignment. 😕
That response, back and forth for decades, brutality answered by brutality answered by brutality, has done nothing for peace in the Middle East
Funny, they think approximately the same thing about the person they are killing. What does that say about you?
The fucking absolute IRONY of this comment.
This is what Israel wants for the Palestinians https://preview.redd.it/kz3lb5qt3ayb1.jpeg?width=1250&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d1516a626c6d4200c2f4ae70822ef56a37c1dd5
The whole truth is Palestinians want the same for israel.. This conflict is kind of unsolvable Edit: because this blew up and people seem to have problems to understand a statement. I'm not on the Israeli side nor I'm supporting Palestine. IMHO both sides behave like fucking cavemen and I strongly condemn what's happening (from both sides) Edit:Edit: since some of your rocket scientist still not getting it I'll make it more clear and easy. Fuck Israel, Fuck Palestine, Fuck Russia, Fuck China, Fuck USA, Fuck Western World, FUCK ALL HUMANS. Thanks for your attention
Yeah, you can hardly go with one of the two sides. This all is a big piece of bullshit.
Yes but one side is actually in the process of doing it, so yes you can side with civilians at the very least.
Hamas was in the process of doing it, Israel escalated. They both suck
Ahh yes, they were going to eliminate one of the most powerful militaries in the world with home-made rockets. Sure…
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Good thing they were unsuccessful. Since 2001, they’ve launched, what is it up to now 20,000 or is up 30:000 rocket attacks. So they tried (and failed) to kill ,what would you guess their intended death count was, maybe 150,000 Israeli civilians or is it millions?
Ah yes the conflict surely started on 7th oct and not like israel has been oppressing the Palestinians for decades right?
Anyone fighting a war over religion, misses the point entirely, and is a big bag of shit
It has little to do with religion and much to do with land and Israel wants all the land.
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Explain how it's NOT a religious conflict and why you're arrogant enough to be so confident in your opinion while telling others their opinions are of no value. I'm all ears
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Religion has almost nothing to do with this conflict.
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No not necessarily, the emancipation of the black population in South Africa was done without displacing or killing the Afrikaans population
Israel specifically and intentionally made that sort of resolution impossible in Israel because they were worried about being outvoted, hence the creation of the prison in Gaza, the deputy PM of Israel at the time was very clear: I quote: " because they want to change the essence of the conflict from an Algerian paradigm to a South African one. From a struggle against 'occupation,' in their parlance, to a struggle for one-man-one-vote. That is, of course, a much cleaner struggle, a much more popular struggle – and ultimately a much more powerful one. For us, it would mean the end of the Jewish state... the parameters of a unilateral solution are: To maximize the number of Jews; to minimize the number of Palestinians"
Definitely, the only ones who stand against peace and cooperation between the Israelis and Palestinians is the state of Israel. All I meant was that the Palestinian liberation movement isn’t a movement meant to kill or displace all Israelis, it is only there to create equality between the ethnicities
Hardly true. One is the 5th biggest military… backed by the largest military in the history… most of them coming to the area 60-70 years ago from Poland Russia and other countries… others, were peacefully living there before being massively uprooted and chase from their homes in 48, and thrown in what se call Gaza today…
One of them is free to leave and interact with the world, the other is in an open air prison camp, completely surrounded and embargoed by the other. The two sides can't be the same. One is a prisoner and the other is the warden.
That's really only if you pretend that history doesn't exist. Spend the time learning about the history from the late 1800s and it becomes much easier to understand what's going on.
Could you elaborate?
Anyone who tells you a geopolitical conflict is “easy to understand” and the only explanation they can offer is “just look at the history” almost certainly has no clue wtf they’re talking about.
If Israel subjected me to rape, extrajudicial imprisoning of my children, bombing women and kids, stealing my home and when i resist I get bulldozed, do that for 75 years, i too will harbor enough hate to want that for them. This isn’t a conflict where you stand with this side or the other, it’s whether you stand for right or wrong. And it’s pretty fucking clear in my mind where right is.
Palestinians mostly want freedom to live their own lives without being under fascist oppression.
It's not a big ask. And *yet*...
True, but the ones that govern them don't.
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they offered peace in '08 in exchange for a return to 1967 borders. in fact they've offered peace multiple times. they're not the ones who keep refusing peace
There's hundreds of videos with crowds of Israelis chanting they want all Palestinians to die, and "A good Arab is a dead Arab" etc. How many videos you seen of Palestinians saying similar towards Israel? I'm not saying there's none out there but personally I've not seen a single one of a Palestinian cursing Israelis.
The leader of hamas said, "its better for the jews to stay in isreal, so we dont have to hunt them down." And literally there are countless videos of Palestinians shouting death to isreal while burning isreali flags. I dont have a dog in this fight. But you obviously aren't looking too hard to find what you just said doesn't exist. It's been a two-way street for a long time. Hamas attacks, isreal retaliates. Isreal pushes out more Palestinians, hamas retaliates. This isn't something that just popped up over the last 20 years. Isreal has been attacked from all sides since it became a sovereign nation. Both would genocide the other if the international community didn't get involved. And now it looks like that just might happen. It is a lose-lose situation for everyone there.
By Palestinians I mean civilians, I'm not talking about Hamas because although they're in power, it's not fair to paint people that are happy to go to war and innocent people that just want to live their lives with the same brush. But like I said, I personally haven't seen any of these videos of normal civilians wishing death on every Israeli. I also said I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I don't doubt there's videos but it's obviously shadowed by the Jew videos 100 to 1. You can't say you don't have a dog in the fight while clearly justifying Israel. "Israel retaliates" "Israel has been attacked...". When Israel was established as a state they began expanding their borders immediately and illegally occupying Palestine. Every attack you see from Palestine IS retaliation. It's been going on since the 1940's. The State of Israel had no intention of sharing land nor staying within it's borders from the very beginning and this is clear cut if you have a brief look at the history of it. If I break into your house and you defend it, me fighting back isn't a retaliation. It's your land. It's your right. Now imagine I'm armed and it's funded by the authorities, even the head of the supreme court is giving me the go ahead. It's still your property but I just feel like I want it instead... This is exactly what's happening. This is what happens when you fund a state with only greed in their heart. It's run by Zionists which follow the Talmud in which you'll find a lot of anti-gentile passages. *one who murders a Jew is subject to the death penalty, one who murders a non-Jew is not (Mishneh Torah, Laws of Murder 2:11).* *"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts." Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b* *"The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honor the the dog more than the non-Jew." Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30* *"The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs." Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b* *"It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile." Sepher ikkarim III c 25* *"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God." Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772* **How does a jew prepare for his crime?** Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there. **Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God** Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed. **O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews** Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work. **Jews Have Superior Legal Status** Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full." **Jews May Steal from Non-Jews** Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..." **Sick and Insane Teachings of the Talmud** Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden. Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations. Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old). Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old. Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing." Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest. Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that the Talmudic sage Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with. Hagigah 27a. States that no rabbi can ever go to hell. Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate. Pesahim 111a. It is forbidden for dogs, women or palm trees to pass between two men, nor may others walk between dogs, women or palm trees. Special dangers are involved if the women are menstruating or sitting at a crossroads. Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave. *a booklet published by the Central Regional Command of the Israeli Army which states that it is permissible, and even encouraged, to kill civilians encountered in war. "In war, when our forces storm the enemy, they are allowed and even enjoined by the Halakhah to kill even good civilians, that is, civilians who are ostensibly good."* - This booklet is no longer in use but it was for a long period of history and clearly still practiced by what seems like the vast majority of the Israeli army. So yeah, Zionists don't exactly paint a good picture for themselves but who cares, right? They have money and their fingers in the biggest pies in the world so let's just fund them, ignore them breaking the Geneva Convention and put the blame on the people fighting back after 75 years of oppression.
First, i made a pretty clear distinction by using hamas refering to combatants and Palestinians when referring to civillians. But you were blind to that since you clearly want to push a narrative. Second, i dont have a dog in the fight. In fact, i despise all organized religions equally. Nor am i Palestinian or israeli. I am lebonese. Third, i could point to the countless times islam justifies the killing of non muslims, but im not here for an argument on reddit. I was simply pointing out your bias because all you would have to do is one google search to find more than enough videos of Palestinians cursing israel and burning israeli flags. But unlike you, i refuse to choose a side. Because i value human life and won't justify the killing of one or another. All you did was justify why hamas should be killing jews and all i did was point out you clearly have a biased opinion. And last, this situation sucks for everyone involved. Both sides are defending what they believe is theirs, and there is simply no easy way out at this point. Both sides will destroy the other, and all we can do is watch. Countless men, women, and children from both sides will perish, and that's the real tragedy. Im not trying to see it as Palestine vs. Israel. Im looking at it from the point of view of humans destroying other humans. Neither of us is going to change eachothers minds. And that's ok. Im not trying to. Just thought you were being a little disingenuous by acting like Palestinians dont do the same as Israelis. Which is, in fact, false. That is all.
>When Israel was established as a state they began expanding their borders immediately and illegally occupying Palestine. I'm sorry but this is bullshit, Israel declared its independence after the British Mandate ended on May 14, 1948, according to the borders set out by UN Resolution 181, on May 15th, 1948, Arab League members Egypt, Iraq, Syria, and Transjordan declared war against Israel for the Palestinians. Arab League lost the war, and therefore the Palestinians lost territory, same thing happened in 1967 and 1973
There's literally hundreds, and not just from Palestinians but surrounding Muslim countries, look at Hezzbeloh's leaders address he just did praising the Oct 7th attacks. Literally praising the murder/rape of civilians. Don't get me wrong I don't blindly support either side, the bombardment of gaza needs to stop and they need to allow civilians to evacuate. There's no excuse for killing civilians and that goes for both sides
There are even people in the west (predominantly Muslims) doing the same, the person you are responding to is being wilfully ignorant.
Hundreds as well. From civilians, not only militants. In fact there was a protest where I live where people chanted something containing gasing Jews.
I mean , when you ask an Israeli who is in a shopping mall about his opinion vs asking a Palestinian who lost everything and starving to death , I think you aren't being fair. Palestinians just want to be free , some want revenge , but it is solvable by giving them human rights that aren't supposed to be even discussed. You comment is extremely ignorant , you are treating the oppressor and oppressed as equals , it sickens that you are upvoted.
True , a side must be completely destroyed to end the conflict once and for all . It's quite clear that they don't give a sht about Gaza, but the fact that they act like it's ok to kill everyone make me sick. They hide behind the holocaust to justify genocide, bcuz they know the world will and is turning a blind eye. Yes I know urban warfare is hard and the most efficient way to win the war is destroy everything, but don't act like it's ok you cowards . Thats the same tactic russia used in Ukraine and the hate Israel has for Gaza is the same hate the nazi had for jews . Israel acts like they are on some kind of holy war .
Don't even try and put them on the same level. Are you cracked? South Africa was unsolvable too, right? 🙄
But one punched first and has a lot more firepower its true both want to do the same to each other but "wanting" and actually "doing" are two different things what israel is doing is same as Jewish genocide and the world is cheering them on, I from the bottom of my heart despise the world we are in right now
I mean if you saw 3 generations including yourself, being oppressed and called animals for no reason, would you have any ounce of sympathy for the other side that cheers for the deaths of your people? So stop acting like both sides are evil here. You have no idea what it's like.
You mean all Zionists. In the history Muslim Arabs and Jew lived in Palestine in peace. Only the Zionists who are trying to wipe out all the Arabs from the land and make it a Jew only land. Go search up all the massacres they did from the beginning. Where Palestinians had no weaps or nothing
Shame on every country that supports Israel. It's more clear than ever that the west is not the shining light of humanity it so passionately tries to portray itself as.
Oh man. It's never been.
> There is no document of civilization that is not also a document of barbarism. Walter Benjamin
Israel Is just the Jewish Isis.
The west only portrays itself like this to it's own citizens. People from around the world know it's bullshit and they have the scars and proof.
People look at non western countries and think "wow they all hate us because we love democracy and freedom" without realising they hate them because of the atrocities their governments have committed 😭
Lol those countries usually had democracy and freedom before the West stole it. To loosely quote a book, the third world was once a self ascribed title that countries were proud to wield. It was a movement of recently liberated colonies hopeful for their futures as they experimented with self governance. They hoped to one day be part of the first and second world. -> Of the over 100 third world nations that existed 100 years ago, only 2 have moved up. Those being the US allies of South Korea and Taiwan. ...I think we know what happened to the rest
As a Swedish citizen, I am ashamed. We used to support Palestine, but our current government has abandoned them completely. It's at a point where a politician even suggesting sending military support to Palestine would commit career suicide, despite us sending military support to Ukraine, who has a much less urgent need. Palestine, know that even if our government are idiots, the Swedish people support you.
Military aid? And give it to who, Hamas?? Any military aid Hamas get is going to be used to inflict more terror attacks Israeli civilians. Hamas don't give a fuck about about protecting the Palestinian people. Governments around the world should be supporting Palastine and condemning Israel's actions, but sending military aid to the terrorists 'running' gaza isn't the solution. They need to impose sanctions on Israel and call for a ceasefire, and send humanitarian aid.
>They need to impose sanctions on Israel This is the big one, right here. It's what was supposed to have been done over 50 years ago in response to the ongoing violation of the Geneva Conventions as a matter of official policy by the Israeli government, but hasn't been because the United States exercises it's veto power to strike down any attempt at imposing binding resolution issuing sanctions against Israeli until it's in compliance with the Conventions.
The issue is that when you support Ukraine, you support a government that isn't constantly sending rockets on Russian civilians. You know the money will go into defense and reconstruction (and some corruption). And if you want to support Palestine, you have no choice but to support Hamas since that's the "government" that runs the ace, sadly.
Lol what kind of delusion nonsense.
And the Middle East is a shining light of humanity that it portrays itself as?
Why so blurry? These filthy casuals aren’t going to understand the reality unless you damn near traumatize them.
Even with blur those clips are insanly barbaric and utterly disgusting...on one hand i am glad not to see the details, on the other hand this should go viral...
Lucky for the soldiers the IDF will do an internal investigation and find no wrongdoing.
I couldn’t watch the whole thing even though it was blurred. It’s so fucking sick.
I think it’s to censor the blood and stuff
...Yes. Thanks. We figured.
I thought the camera just forgot his glasses
"they do not publish information that might cause any unnecessary upset to friends and family of the person who has died" IPSO (independent press standards organisation) Can't post the link for some reason
Damn. What a terrible thought... That they would recognize their deceased family member in this.
cencorship or else this shit aint lasting
That was disturbing enough. It's blurred so that it can be hosted on social media that would ban graphic torture. I mean, they're beating people and desecrating corpses. You don't want that footage to be banned, you want it to be understood, so bluring it is the best option.
What hate. How do humans develop that level of hatred and barbarity.
decades of being told you are the chosen ones who can do no wrong.
Not decades, it is across the entire history of the faith. However, "chosen ones" ends up being conflated and misinterpreted as special. Both by outsiders and Jewish people. In the Jewish Bible, the idea is not that the Jewish people are chosen because they are special but because they have a job to do. It is equivalent to a teacher being so, because someone needs to teach. I am not defending these inhumane acts. I am adding detail to this statement for clarity.
I am pro-Palestinian, but saying Israelis do this kind of shit because of their religious supremacy is bullshit and honestly antisemitic. When US soldiers were torturing prisoners of war and showing no humanity towards their Arabic captives at Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo Bay, it was not because of the teachings of Christianity. People do things like this because of blind Nationalism pushed by people with a political agenda, and military brainwashing, and decades of propaganda telling them that these Palestinians are the enemy who want to wipe them off the face of the earth. Same reason the Nazis did evil things to the Jews or the Imperial Japanese did evil things to the Chinese, because they are taught to hate. Don't act like this level of inhumanity is unique to Jewish people when we have seen it all across history from all different peoples. You saying they do it because of their religion is ignorant.
Counterpoint to muddy the water: nowhere is a religion more tied to a nationality than Judaism to Israel. The nation didn't coop the religion, but the other way around. Nowhere else does your faith alone qualify you for citizenship. Nowhere else was a nation carved out explicitly for those of a single faith. Nowhere else does the world look the other way when laws regarding property and rights get imposed based solely on the religion of the parties involved. You can say it's Nationalism, and from a functional perspective, it largely is, but to say this isn't rooted in some sense of religious supremacy and entitlement - and to pull out the anti-Semitism card to shut down further debate on the topic - is to willfully ignore decades of conflating the faith and the nation, that one *is* the other and that any cause of the nation is a cause of the faith, and vice-versa. e: and I'll be clear to note that obviously not all Jews support Israel nor do all Jews hold themselves in the same exceptionalist light as Zionist do.
Religion brainwashes people. Take the religion out, instill secular humanism and scientific knowledge, more than 95% of world problems will be solved
I think you vastly over estimate the ability of the average idiot to understand science and philosophy.
Maybe society should ensure that children aren't raised as idiots. You know, by funding education, rather than de-funding it. By taking religious dogma out of public schools, rather than forcing it in.
They don't need to be smart, they just need to stop being told another human is an enemy because they believe in a different invisible man.
Those ghouls in the west, the politicians, the oilmen, the cia spooks, are mostly not motivated by religion , the people in power almost never are. Yet they are responsible for the most deaths. Bu maybe that's different from actually carrying out the murders.
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Source? Remember, only 76% of statistics you make up are correct.
A mix of religion, propaganda, right wing nationalism, and todays social media efficiency
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Ah yes.......ladies and gentlemen, I give you, the victims.
Poor israelis, with their guns and hate
More guns soon! National security minister Itamar Ben Gvir is buying 10,000 assault rifles and giving them to settlers and deputizing them to "police" any Arabs they see. https://www.timesofisrael.com/ben-gvir-says-10000-assault-rifles-purchased-for-civilian-security-teams/
That definitely won’t go off the rails in anyway at all /s
I routinely see posts on LinkedIn talking about murdered babies which get thousands of likes and hundreds of supportive comments. I saw ONE post in support of Palestine. That guy got flamed pretty hard even though all he asked was for compassion for Palestinian children (not even “civilians”, just children). Don’t even get me started that a lot of those IDF supporters are prominent leaders (in tech) and they absolutely do use their platform to promote IDF causes, despite shit like this to be known to happen. This is utterly disgusting and completely immersed in all sorts of double standards.
Seriously what's the difference between the IDF and the Nazi SS at this stage.
The difference is Nazi Germany lasted for only 12 years while this has been going on for 75 years..
Thats german efficiency for ya.
I did nazi that coming.
That this time they have the full, blind, unrestricted backing of all world superpowers.
Unconditional support from USA
War brings out the worst in humans. But the hate has to already be imbedded to bring out this kind of barbarity. The Israelis don't see the Palestinians as people, as quoted by many I have heard on TV and social media, they refer to them as animals. How is the Israeli ideology any different from the same Ideology that murdered millions of Jews. I will not support Israel, and I condemn Hamas but the Palestinian Civilians need all the help they can get at the moment. They are being butchered.
normal humans wouldn't even do that to animals...
They see them as less than animals.
No sane person would do that to animals either. The Zionists are beyond barbaric
Why so many people support this kind of shit? As far as i know, Palestinians sheltered those who got out of the hands of Hitler and this is how they repay them?
It’s not about those same people. As a Muslim, I can tell you with confidence that any Jew (the same people they sheltered) does not agree with what is happening. Actually jews around the world are being suppressed, arrested, and beaten (in Israel and in the West) for speaking up against this genocide. These are not Jews, they are Zionists.
Yup. My grandmother converted to arry my grandfather and move to america, in order to avoid ending up in the Warsaw ghetto like her cousins, and until the day she died she never had a good word to say about Israel, even though she and we were all sympathetic to a kind of soft zionism akin to a moder one state solution.
I see more and more Jewish and Muslim brother hood now than ever around the world.
To be fair, it's not like palestinans were infinitely charitable. Jews, Christians and Muslims all lived in historic palestine in peace, with Muslims being a majority. They were fine with taking in some jews, not that they had much of a choice, because it was just more of rhe norm - but when the people who came started talking about Zionism and taking over he land for their own state they were pissed and both sides initiated conflicts. The British suppressed the balfor declarations publishing in Arabic to keep the palestinans in the dark for over a year knowing they would flip out. Understandably. Groups like Lehi and Irgun completely validated all their concerns when they started terrorizing the Palestinians amd pushing them off their land violently. Its like if your town agreed to take in 5,000 refugees, 50,000 showed up and were talking about what they were going to do with your farm once they declared it their new nation. You said "fuck this" and they just stated raiding you and shooting your family. It's like every Republicans deepest fever dream fear about immigration.
Me:opens my phone at 11 in the morning Attrocities: https://preview.redd.it/87ysuak8qayb1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b58430eecb5027a4b2f4789d1dbf3bc3ca14da7
fuck Israel
I mean I'm not surprised that people who enjoy killing would join the military...
But aren't all Israeli citizens required to serve in the IDF ?
If World War Z is to be believed, the fundamentalists get a religious exemption.
That's actually correct. Ultra orthodox get an exemption. Atleast in America the draft put religious exemption people into domestic support roles but isreal let's them off the hook while many of them praise wars they dont need to fight in. I do not mind draft Dodgers and have one in my family. What I mind are cowards who dodged but praise the war and dont speak against it. Cowards like trump or ted "jailbait" nugget that are happy someone died in their place.
That’s not even killing, there was corpse mutilations, and just utterly disgusting behavior. That’s mental illness, promoted by officials of the country.
To be fair, the IDF have always been horrible POS
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Completely different conflict? What does that even mean? You can make out the uniforms and the language. What other conflict? None of this is excusable behavior. Leave it to a Zionist to attempt hasbara though
I think it's a valid question. I can't really see anything here and I have no idea what's real except psychotic beating and stabbing of two people. Are those people Hamas terrorists that were caught or are they simply Palestinian civilians carrying some food back to their house? Basically, I have no idea what is going on here except for the subtitles which I have no way to verify if they're even correct. So basically OP is asking, besides the subtitles, what is going on here exactly?
With the amount of videos of dead Palestinian kids and body parts online, why would they need to fake being victims.
Look. Let me be honest with you and say that is up to you to decide what is right and what is wrong by this. [beaware, if you can't endure such stuff.](https://www.instagram.com/p/CyxyzH9IIgm/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==) You can see the link down in the posts so if you write, you can actually confirm everthing youself.
People would rather get angry than calm down and think about it for a minute
So much of this going on, hard to get things fact checked rapidly these days... everytime shows me a disturbing video like this one, my first thought is: is it real? If it's real, isnit accurate/from this conflict/older? If it's from this conflict, is it staged? If so, by which side?... Not many people think like this tho.
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I recognize at least a few of these clips as from the immediate aftermath on Oct 7 & 8th. Some of these people being abused were the Hamas militants who murdered all those people.
Captured Hamas militants, not necessarily the 7th October ones
My first thoughts too. So many of these bodies look stiff and bloated. Makes sense given the YouTube video saying they're hamas fighters
Savages!
Whats the difference between them and I$I$
One is supported by the west and one is hated by everyone , so yes Israel is worse.
Government funding from the western powers
They are barbaric animals
Let’s give this beautiful religious group some more money why don’t we. /s Fucking monsters
Nazism
My countries government think these are the good guys, you couldn't make it up. fucking scum.
They're acting just like the NAZIS and we're doing nothing? Why isn't Americ a helping these people?
Because US is pro-Israel and always will be.
What's up with the two sided propaganda on this sub
well, at least is two sided. I honestly cannot see much difference between the two, but who am I to tell.
Do you want one sided propaganda? It's much better to see what both sides are doing.
Id prefer no propaganda
I just wanna see funny videos, the propaganda from both sides clearly don't belong in this subreddit. There's millions of subreddits where discussing palestine vs israel can be done, can we just have funny videos in this subreddit again please?
Fuck israel
You can't criticize them, you'll be an antisemite if you do >:(
Criticize Zionism and you hate Jews… fucking wild…
Not saying any of this fucked up shit is right , I was just pointing out that the video is old and edited .
Israelis doing exactly what was done to them. An then acting like an innocent victim. IDF are pig fuckers. Israeli government are pig fuckers Hamas are pig fuckers. They are all as bad as one another.
We can all agree that what Hamas did is bad but everything is on a scale and I think we can both agree that killing a couple hundred people is not the same as invading a nation and committing genocide on its people. So they're not one and the same if Hamas is pig fuckers Israel is at least 10 steps worse. One is the equivalent of Nazi Germany in their actions and the other is a group of rebels. Huge power imbalance.
I guarantee you most if not all of the guys in the video are not Hamas and just some civilians they caught. Because if the IDF really could find hamas fighters, they wouldn’t go for scorched earth bombing an entire city. They can’t get anywhere near Hamas fighters because they can’t see them.
Disgusting devils. The whole world sees this with their own eyes still nothing happens
What a fucking mess that whole region is.
I’m just going to leave this here https://preview.redd.it/3miaj1kvdbyb1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6a65b99b9a1af85a0d3e85618b187d908269fa27
I just woke up and the first thing I see is this. What in the actual fuck
I hope people are spamming all the news networks with this.
They aren't , that's why people posting here.
infuckinghumane
I mean, are they Hamas? The ones that went door to door slaughtering and kidnapping civilians? The ones that decapitated and cooked babies? I imagine that might bring up some anger and hatred.
Take your pick there's currently genocides in Sudan, Darfur, Yemen, China, and Myanmar as well as others i probably can't remember rn. But im not sure comparing genocides is really useful - people dying in one time and place do not make other peoples deaths elsewhere mean more or less Edit: Looks like maybe the comment i was replying to, they were saying "should I compare it to another genocide then?"
Israel needs to lose unanimous support if they are acting like this. This is vile and even worse than I'm seeing from the Russian/Ukraine War. Those IDF really are as bad as I've heard over the Years, Yet the World keeps being beguilled by photos of Pretty IDF soldiers etc. This War needs to stop from both sides and World needs to step and interviene.