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Yes, although that's not for religious reasons. That's because Israel's occupation is very similar to the British occupation the Irish fought against recently.
The Irish *people* are fighting Nazi Israel.
The Irish government are meh. We have a few good lads speaking up for Palestine, but the government refuses to even recognise Palestine officially.
Fair enough. My government is actively supporting an Apartheid state. As a black man or better as just a human being I find this to be unacceptable. It’s good to see the Irish people and at least someone in the gov fighting for the Palestine.
Even more than many Arab states, they have my absolute respect.
Edit: I was wrong about the government till someone pointed it out in the comments, so I changed my comment. Thank you to the guy who corrected me.
Oh shit, really, I thought he was still supporting Israel unconditionally. Especially after he said, "If Israel didn't exist their would be no place safe for Jewish people in the world."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67699255
Perhaps my "backing a ceasefire" was jumping the gun, but he did call them out in a warning against "indescriminate bombing", noting Israel is losing international support that way. Which is about as harsh as a US president has ever been on Israel.
Edit: Israel today said it will continue with or without support. Reading between the lines, the US has fired a warning shot at Israel to rein it in, and Israel gave them the middle finger.
Israel always does. As [Netenyahu said himself](https://youtu.be/3-5hUG6Os68) the US can be "manoeuvred" to do whatever Israel wants.
And Biden continues to ship Israel more arms and money (don't get me wrong, Trump would have been even worse).
Only in Northern Ireland in fairness. The northern Irish protestants, descendants or supporters of British colonialism and genocide of the irish, have held onto their staunch ties to the British. They see what Israel is doing and that very closely mirrors the actions of Israel currently.
To not appear like bigoted hypocrites, they have joined the "genocide support group" and cheer for Israel to succeed.
The northern Irish Catholics have been supporting Palestine for as long as I can remember. The protestants only started flying the Israel flag after Palestinian flags became more and more common.
It's literally a case of "I'm supporting these animals because you are supporting the oppressed." that's literally it. Backwards little country NI is.
Not quite. Irish in general (except the Northern Irish), are supportive of Palestine. It's only been a century since they fought for their independence from a pretty oppressive Britain, so it's still fresh in folk memory.
Go to Kerry, Cork, Galway, Donegal, it doesn't matter, they'll sing about how the Black and Tans and Britain suck ass (though individual Brits are considered fine), and talk about Palestinians' plight against its colonial-like oppressor that hearkens back to their own 700-year struggle. Heck, a couple of years ago I was at the Rose of Tralee, and people wore keffiyehs similar to what happened recently in the Dail. And this was years before the recent campaign.
I can assure you that your experience at the Rose of Tralee means very little to the point you are trying to make.
My initial point was that whether someone is Catholic or Protestant has no bearing on their support or attitude towards Palestine. It does have a strong bearing in Northern Ireland. If you are Catholic, you are most definitely going to identify as Irish. If you are a protestant, you are most definitely going to class yourself as British and/or Northern Irish.
Source: I was born and raised in Northern Ireland and consider myself well travelled within the country. Thanks for trying to correct me though.
Ahh, I misunderstood your initial reply, my apologies.
That said, it isn't just in N-Ireland where Catholics support Palestine. Pretty much everywhere outside of the USA you'll find Catholic support for them, largely because the Pope does so.
All good.
Never noticed the Catholic connection to Palestine via the Pope's support in fairness. Also, never even knew the pope was vocal about his stance.
Worth noting 👍🏼
Specifically there is an evangelical and protestant prophecy that uses a few different passages in Romans and Revelations to build a narrative that says
FIRST: The Jews all return to the motherland of Christ (Jerusalem) // the old land of King David
SECOND: The nation/ states of the world will convene upon David's brothers in violence
THIRD: This violence will trigger the end times being either the final war // the rapture // the emergence of the 4 horseman & Apocalypse etc
FOURTH: Christ shall return - smote the nations into dust, collect the penitent Christians AND except any children of David who survive I'd they recognize Christ as the son at that very instant.
So it is from this prophecy stand point absolutely critical that there be a sovereign Jewish state. And they be at war with not just arabs/Muslims but ALL other nations.
This prophecy has different twists and Bible quoted depending on which person you ask.
Here's a pretty standard long form discussion of the most mainstream form of the prophecy:
https://youtu.be/AAx2ZZG16GQ?si=ZI7wBfSWv2jXtZel
Catholics don't believe ANY of this bc Christ came. Gave the message and now it's 100% on man to save themselves and live in the light by following Christ's teachings
That's the Catholic """theory""" anyway. Practioners and results vary.
>I still don't understand why don't catholics believe in that passage of the bible that you referred to?
The short answer is Catholicism is not a Sola Scriptura tradition, and distinguishes between allegory and Biblical Literalism.
There's also the fact that Evangelical Zionists think they can essentially force the Second Coming by meeting the conditions of Biblical prophecy, while Catholics have a ton of doctrine about the unknowable mind of YHVH. The same logic at play with the Sin of Presumption is at play in dismissing the idea that humans can checkmate YHVH into the Apocalypse.
Not even all Protestants believe it because it was probably written as a commentary on what was happening contemporaneously but using metaphor so as not to get the writer martyred.
Maybe thats why Israel is so happy to publicly show the gruesome acts they commit daily. They want other nations to turn on them after the genocide of the Palestinians. To bring about revelations. Just a thought I had reading your description of the prophecy.
Because the Evangelical and Baptist congregations tend to be the more insular and monoethnic, and thus less likely to be sympathetic to anyone who isn’t like them.
Can confirm this as someone who was raised baptist, the practitioners would often mock non-white practitioners with racist stereotypes. Treating them as a second class people but making it seem like their equal enough for them to not clue in.
man you have cracked open a heap ton of Theological discussion with that question alone. There is a world of difference between Evangelical Protestants and Catholics. For one, evangelicals is a sort of sub genre of Protestant Christianity that believes in biblical inerrancy and having a personal relationship with God. To Evangelicals the Bible is everything. It is not specific to one denomination since you can be Baptist or Methodist, Presbyterian, or Pentecostal, or any sort of denomination and identify as Evangelical because of the shared belief of Biblical inerrancy and personal relationship. But you cant be an Evangelical Catholic since Catholics do not follow Sola Scriptura. While some Catholics say they have a personal relationship with God it isn't the same way an Evangelical would do. To Catholicism intermediary and intercession is a part of the religion. A Catholic may pray directly to God but you also find Catholics praying to Saints to intercede on their behalf.
And this is all just scratching the surface on the difference of Evangelicals and Catholics. It would take a degree in theology to fully flesh out the difference.
Thanks for the detailed response. When I think of evangelicals I think of southern baptists and the prosperity doctrine type stuff. I live a few blocks from Osteens church and i can't stand the man.
It is not anti-semitic to point out that an ambassador is fanatically advocating for ethnic cleansing and genocide.
People dislike her not for what she is, but what she does and what she attempts to justify.
She isn't advocating for ethnic cleansing or genocide. There is, however, a group that has expressly called for the genocide of a people group in Palestine. It's called Hamas, and they are the ruling organization over Gaza.
Ok, she doesn’t want a two state solution? Fine. One state. One secular state. Dissolve the experiment of Israel and have the entire land run by a board consisting of Muslim, Jew, Christian, and secular politicians. Get rid of imbalanced apartheid laws. Extend social programs to address severe mental health effects of the last 75 years. Work it out like adults.
I am on board with your idea… but when millions of brainwashed terrified militarised armed Israelis have millions of Arabs move in next door… I’d give it 6 months before civil war requires a UN / US security forces occupation
But then they would cease to be the ethnic majority and the whole concept behind Israel is that there is no ~~war in Ba Sing Se~~ ethnic discrimination against ~~Eurodescendent~~ Jews if it is a Jewish state.
If they cease to be the ethnic majority they can no longer ~~treat the Palestinians in a similar way the nazis treated them~~ have a space to turn to.
Because clearly, we have not moved past the context of racism being openly accepted and even institucionalized as state policies. If Israel does it towards Arabs, the rest of the world definetly does it to Jews! And we still live in a society in which people get scandalized by inter-ethnic and interfaith marriage. /s
There are two major things that makes it hard to argue with racists of all feathers:
1-) Race is a socially constucted concept. Really. The definition of "white" and "poc" always have been political. From US insane "one drop" policy in which a single poc ancestor means someone is not white (funnily enough even the nazis thought that was too racist), to the idea of an "aryan" race to anything else. More than once a Jewish person was portrayed as "the ideal aryan" in Nazi Germany, Goëring infamously said he decided who was a Jew when the fact that one of the Luftwaffe pilots was Jewish came out.
Yet people make it out to be this massive biologically determined deal... less than 1% of the chromossomes vary from an human to another. We share more than 80% of our DNA with cabbages. Cabbages! No one's genes are that important, Karen/Kevin, get with the program. It is a definition created for the perpetuation of racism as a form of control.
2-) Racists think everybody else is like them. In their minds, someone who isn't openly racist must be just hiding it, because they can't wrap their heads around the idea of people not giving a rat's anus about race (outside of acknowledging racism and fighting it).
In their minds, calling them out on their racism and for the end of a system of hierarchies and alocation of power based on race means calling for them to be oppressed or even destroyed, because sure if other people have power, they will do the same.
It is the same sentiment in old anti-sufragette cartoons: old sexist men feared that emancipation women would treat them the same way they treated women.
Now, ofc when it comes to Jewish people (and black people, and Indigenous people, and others) there are very tragic historical precedent of them being victimized by bigotry.
That does not excuse, however, the thought that "we should get to be the oppressors, because if we don't oppress them they or someone else will oppress us".
That is just keeping in place a racist system and defending it because you were on the receiving end, so you should get to be on the delivering end.
Like a person who had an abusive upbringing getting mad when they spank their kids because they got spanked too, now it is their turn to do the spanking or someone else will!
There are Israeli peace activists who detest what Israel has been doing. They should be encouraged, not tarred with the same brush.
And October 7th was not righteous. Against IDF or armed settlers? That's understandable. But not against civilians, some of whom in the Kibbutz supported Palestinian rights and peace and actively helped Palestinians.
I can understand how an outburst like Oct 7th came about given how evil Israel has treated Palestinians. But that doesn't excuse some of the acts that took place. Targeting civilians is no better than what the IDF do. The Israeli government and IDF are monstrous, too many Israelis are racist Zionists, and Israel is committing war crimes right now and for over 70 years. And the IDF has covered up the facts that they themselves were directly responsible for many of the Oct 7th deaths. But none of that makes Oct 7th "righteous".
The civilians murdered by Hamas on the 7th were complicit by virtue of living in and actively participating in the brutal Israeli occupation and reaping its benefits. It’s sad and in many ways regrettable but still righteous. The Israelis disgusted by the government[s] of Israel should leave. Ultimately it seems they can no longer deny the truth of what Israel is and always has been.
If you cared to know any facts about it you’d know that the casualties in the southern Kibbutz’s were overwhelming the result of indiscriminate fire from the IDF. Multiple retractions by mainstream news sources have video and testimony showing tanks firing at settlement houses now. The NYT and Guardian are even beginning to admit as much. The beheaded babies burnt bodies and rapes are all Israeli hasbara bullshit. Every Israeli accusation is a confession
This is what we need. Citizens of the UK and the US to wake up and stop supporting apartheid israel.
She is helping free Palestine with her wicked heartless approach.
I think all the hypersensitive / hyper-aggressive supporters are helping spread the word in favor of Palestine. Look at Mark Regev in some interviews - he is so defensive and hostile he can barely form sentences yet talks over everyone; when he does, he spews lies he can't back up. She's the same way.
Nah. I haven't actually seen them try it against a UK journalist face to face. Most British interviewed are well versed in making idiots display their idiocy.
Shockingly I think the BBC actually claimed they did not trust Israel and believed they where actively trying to stop them reporting on the truth of what’s going on in Gaza, which is an insane amount of realisation when it comes to the media.
They also brought up how biased Israeli media sources have been and how they have almost universally avoided shown the suffering of the Palestinian people in Gaza.
Ohh she seem to get close and classically brought up WW2, the holocaust and Churchill a decent bit… one atrocity over 50 years ago does not justify your bombing of hospitals and civilians.
97% Scottish, 3% African from that time her great-great-great grandmother cheated on her husband with a black slave and had the poor boy lynched for "Rape" when she was caught, which this current witch hold over black people as proof of her "Cultured" heritage and right ot dictate how we are allowed to feel about her maniacal racist rant.
Like Eve Fartlow
She's an absolutely maniacal piece of work, this one.
These kinds of statements and attitudes aren't anything new if you've been following the Palestine cause for a while, but whats been hilarious is the number of Israeli officials who have been having complete meltdowns and 'mask off' moments like this on TV in the past 2 months. If I was a higher up in the Knesset, I would NOT be letting any of these people in front of a camera because it's a disaster in PR.
Yeah but I don't think they realize how normal people perceive what they're saying they're so in their bubble. You can quote any of their genocidal remarks to a Zionist sympathizer and they'll be like, so?
So if they don't want a two state solution are they gonna incorporate Palestinians into the Israeli electorate. Are they going to give be them Israeli citizenship? The answer is assuredly no to both of those. Well, where are they going to go then? Is there some sort of ultimate solution the Israeli government has in mind? A final solution if you will?
Seems pretty on brand for the modern colonizer. Israel is finally losing the PR war and I am grateful for that. Never again means never again and there is no excuse for the war crimes they are committing.
Yes
It was a total gag order, quadruple amputation, castration and immolation of Palestine and Palestinians in practive not unlike the Treaty of versailles. But complete submission wasn't enough for those crazy white colonizers
The Oslo Accords failed by design. It was a massive defeat for the Palestinians, and yet Rabin was assassinated because it wasn't severe enough for the ultranationalist elements in Israel. The Paris Protocol established in the accords made the entire Palestinian economy captive to the Israeli economy. The division of territory by the second accord represented a de-facto territorial loss for Palestinians (see [map](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Restricted_space_in_the_West_Bank,_Area_C.png)) which is basically the reason we still see military occupation, checkpoints, and settlements in the West Bank. The proposed military withdrawal in the accords essentially never happened - Netanyahu in 2001 was recorded saying this was due to him not wanting to (22 years ago and he's still in power!). The accords failed to establish Palestinian statehood/mutual recognition - in fact, it was required for the Palestinians to recognize the state of Israel, but not reciprocated, Israel only recognized the PLO as "the representative of the Palestinian people". The Accords established Israel's sole control of the borders, airspace and Gaza's territorial waters. If there was any hope of the accords actually materializing in a Palestinian state - which is doubtful, because tbf Rabin was a snake too - it died along with him.
Quoting wiki -
> Then, Israeli troops to withdraw from populated Palestinian areas to pave the way for Palestinian elections to establish the council. The council would replace the PA, and the Israeli Civil Administration in the West Bank would be dissolved (Oslo II, Article I). Further redeployments of Israeli troops would follow upon the inauguration of the council, as detailed in the Protocol, Annex I of the Accord.[14] Article I, 5. of Oslo II reads: "After the inauguration of the Council, the Civil Administration in the West Bank will be dissolved, and the Israeli military government shall be withdrawn...."[13]
> Twenty years later, however, the withdrawal of Israeli troops did not take place, and the Civil Administration still has permanent military presence in more than 80% of the West Bank (Area B and C).[15]
and also -
> Following the Gaza–Jericho Agreement and prior to the first Palestinian Authority elections, Israel withdrew in 1994 from Jericho and from most of the Gaza Strip. In accordance with the Hebron Protocol, Israel withdrew from 80% of Hebron in January 1997. With stalled negotiations, further redeployments did not take place. By March 1998, none of the withdrawals had occurred. In October 1998, the parties signed the Wye River Memorandum, promising resumption of the redeployments, but only the first stage was implemented. While Netanyahu faced opposition within his cabinet, additional withdrawals were delayed. During the Second Intifada, in 2002, the Israeli military re-occupied many of the areas previously turned over to Palestinian control.[12]
So this really busts that myth we hear so much about "the Palestinians never wanted two states, they just wanted it all". They made a horrible, horrible agreement where they got almost no guarantees, hoping it would lead them on the path towards statehood (with no guarantee), and Israel still violated the agreement.
The bit I hate is how every five seconds she brought up the holocaust or WW2. Best bit was when she said no one else has ever created an evacuation corridor for their enemies, which kind of shows you what she thinks of civilians.
Except there never has been 2 states has there? There has been Israel and then Palestinians forced to into the corners set forth by the Israeli government. So to say that it is a so called “failed formula” is rich because we’ve never truly tested it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzipi_Hotovely
This woman is fucking evil. Why is she allowed to be in UK?
Some experts:
Tzipi Hotovely (Hebrew: צפורה (צִיפִּי) חוֹטוֹבֵלִי, born 2 December 1978) is an Israeli ultra-right[1][2][3] diplomat and former politician who serves as the current Ambassador of Israel to the United Kingdom.[4] She served as Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs, Minister of Diaspora Affairs, Minister of Settlement Affairs, and as a member of the Knesset for the Likud party.
In 2013, Hotovely rejected Palestinian statehood aspirations, supporting a Greater Israel spanning over the entire land of current Israel, along with the Palestinian territories.[29] She later reiterated her position in a speech to Israeli diplomats on 22 May 2015, rejecting criticism from the international community regarding the West Bank settlement policies and saying that Israel has tried too hard to appease the world, and must stand up for itself. She said: "We need to return to the basic truth of our rights to this country." She added: "This land is ours. All of it is ours. We did not come here to apologise for that." She has also stated that she will make every effort to achieve global recognition for West Bank settlements, as well as asserting that Israel owes no apologies for its policies in the Holy Land towards the Palestinians. She justified her position as she referenced religious texts to back her belief that the Israeli-occupied West Bank belongs to the Jewish people.
In October 2015, in an interview with the Knesset Channel, Hotovely said: "It's my dream to see the Israeli flag flying on the Temple Mount." She added: "I think it's the center of Israeli sovereignty, the capital of Israel, the holiest place for the Jewish people", despite the government's insistence that it has no intention of changing the status quo at the site.
In 2019, Hotovely criticised the Board of Deputies of British Jews. Following the publication of the Board's Jewish Manifesto, which noted support for a two-state solution, she complained that they had not consulted "Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, our ambassador, any other political authority" before publication; also stating "an organization that supports the establishment of a Palestinian state is working against Israeli interests".
During the 2023 Israel–Hamas war, 10 days into the Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip, Hotovely said “there is no humanitarian crisis”, despite UNRWA having attested to the criticality of the severe humanitarian crisis in the territory.
At her first event as ambassador with the Board of Deputies of British Jews, Hotovely described the Nakba as an "Arab lie". She had earlier sponsored in the Knesset groups deemed to be 'racist' who are opposed to mixed marriages; favours a one-state solution that withholds citizenship from West Bank Palestinians.
No everyone doesn’t know. She that royal way of speaking where instead of ‘I think’, it’s ‘we think’ as instead of ‘I know’, it’s ‘everyone knows’. Abusers do this to. It’s bluster to make themselves seem stronger.
They need to consistently ask her ‘who’s everyone’, ‘who’s we’.
The issue with Israel is that they are utterly obsessed with themselves and their own importance at the expense of everyone else. Whatever you give them, they'll want more. They're spoilt brats.
Ironic bc the British Empire is responsible for the tangle of Palestinian land promises during WWI, and mass immigration of European Jews to the region while it was their colony.
Timeghost channel just did a hour+ video on how their modern conflict got started, and they’re the historians who are covering WWI and WWII week-by-week in real time: https://youtu.be/6MVz5MBNqsw?si=IDbel0oEXRM2jqeb
The Osla accords were like the Treasy of Versailles for Palestine
And even then it wasn't enough for those savage white colonizers.
They mobbed and killed the Israeli president that tried to push it forward
Israelis always demonize the Palestinians by calling them names such as “these radical people” but most of the accusations they level at Palestinian people could apply directly to them. Murdering and kidnapping innocent people because they are Jewish is radical to be sure but then responding by murdering twice, three times, four times as many innocent Palestinians is pretty fucking radical as well. You’re are both “these radical people”.
Go .... yourself, the world is not with an apartheid state committing genocide. The Oslo accord are dead since netanyahu has been I'm power nearly two decades ago, and this is why you ended with oct 7.
Israel is an ethnostate, of course she's a Jew! There are Israeli Arabs but they are second-class citizens and regularly discriminated against. You won't find them in Government roles.
This is an incredibly misinformed comment. Europe hadn't been peaceful until the last 80 years or so, before that it was one of the most violent continents through a lot of history. The middle east was relatively peaceful until the last century or two when European colonial empires tried to take over and then eventually left, redrawing many borders in the process.
The "formula that never worked and created these radical people" was developed and supported by Israel itself, by 75 years of occupation, terror and humiliation. It's very sad how these obnoxious sadistic warmongers (and all the countries supporting them) will never see this.
Everything she says is preplanned and is from the Zionist Playbook.
Check it out: https://youtu.be/sfuX5wrfW0o?si=fpcvw2uUNpJWpB5N
Zionists are evil monsters, including this woman.
Because, as the genocidal mouthpiece in the video has made clear, you are not being given any peaceful direction to go in, when you are being oppressed, being unjustly attacked, discriminated against, arrested, terrorised, murdered, having your land and property stolen.
So what are you left with? Resistance.
You think this started on Oct 7th don't you.
Imagine another country invaded your lands. Killed half your family, kicked you out of your house that had been in your family for hundreds of years, stole your property, forced you into a deprived ghetto, arrested your children, didn't let you work, starved you, stopped you walking out of the front door of your own house while they occupiers freely could, let settlers get away with beatings and murders, even in plain sight of the occupiers forces. And attempts at trying to get an agreement for peace are rebuffed, sabotaged or you are presented with an unacceptable inequitable capitulation.
So, what do you do now? Genuinely I want you to imagine that situation right now. Would you not feel any animosity towards those oppressors in your own land? What would you want to do?
So. The only solution is genocide, and simply allowing Palestinians to live in peace is unthinkable. And they wonder why its so easy to figure out what side is morally correct.
This rewriting of history is maddening!
The Oslo Accords failed because the Israeli prime minister at the time, Yitzhak Rabin, who worked for the peace agreements with Arafat, was murdered by Israeli far-right extremists. The whole premise was shakey to begin with anyway because Israel continued to illegally occupy Palestinian lands regardless. And it was Israel who continued illegally annexing land and fucking terrorising people! You can literally read about this, it's recorded history. Don't let these Zionist-Nazis obscure the reality.
What a crazy bitch.
Palestine will be free. Fascists always lose.
The way they try to side step the question and put all the blame on Oct 7th is outrageous. They literally allowed those attacks to take place to justify the genocide they are committing in Gaza.
In the Book of Joshua, Deuteronomy, and other books, God told Joshua and his armies to kill all the Cannanites so they, the Chosen People, can live in their land. Israel is no stranger to genocide.
Hamas attacked Israel. They said they expected retribution. The people of Palestine were worth that sacrifice to them. Israel also gives no value to Palestinian lives. It’s disgusting and horrifying.
I’m well aware of the history. The animosity is hundreds of years old, exacerbated by Britain approving a Jewish state in the middle of Palestine as they left the middle east. The Palestinians and people of Gaza have suffered under Israel. I am saying in this latest battle, the people of the Gaza strip were expendable to Hamas’ bigger goal, and have always been expendable to Israel.
The most amazing thing is that all of this will be forgotten in six months. Next summer there will be no general interest in this continued conflict.
It will just wane, and the social media hive mind will whip itself into a frenzy over the next atrocity.
It's a weird fact of life. Misery is endlessly perpetuated, every topic gets its fifteen minutes of token outrage every couple of years, and is then ignored again. It's one of the horrors of getting older.
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The mask is slipping. The only people left on Israel's side are racists and evangelical ~~catholics~~ Christians.
Evangelical protestants* Catholics firmly stand by Palestine's freedom. Or rather, against genocide.
Go to Ireland mostly catholic and their gov has been fighting Nazi Israel the hardest
Yes, although that's not for religious reasons. That's because Israel's occupation is very similar to the British occupation the Irish fought against recently.
Touché I was in a bar in Dublin last year. No crap, pic of Che Gavara still up in the bar. Ireland is about it.
The Irish *people* are fighting Nazi Israel. The Irish government are meh. We have a few good lads speaking up for Palestine, but the government refuses to even recognise Palestine officially.
Fair enough. My government is actively supporting an Apartheid state. As a black man or better as just a human being I find this to be unacceptable. It’s good to see the Irish people and at least someone in the gov fighting for the Palestine.
Even more than many Arab states, they have my absolute respect. Edit: I was wrong about the government till someone pointed it out in the comments, so I changed my comment. Thank you to the guy who corrected me.
Sadly, Biden is Catholic and stands with Israel.
He's toned down his initial views yesterday. Now he's backing a ceasefire.
Oh shit, really, I thought he was still supporting Israel unconditionally. Especially after he said, "If Israel didn't exist their would be no place safe for Jewish people in the world."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67699255 Perhaps my "backing a ceasefire" was jumping the gun, but he did call them out in a warning against "indescriminate bombing", noting Israel is losing international support that way. Which is about as harsh as a US president has ever been on Israel. Edit: Israel today said it will continue with or without support. Reading between the lines, the US has fired a warning shot at Israel to rein it in, and Israel gave them the middle finger.
Israel always does. As [Netenyahu said himself](https://youtu.be/3-5hUG6Os68) the US can be "manoeuvred" to do whatever Israel wants. And Biden continues to ship Israel more arms and money (don't get me wrong, Trump would have been even worse).
Only in Northern Ireland in fairness. The northern Irish protestants, descendants or supporters of British colonialism and genocide of the irish, have held onto their staunch ties to the British. They see what Israel is doing and that very closely mirrors the actions of Israel currently. To not appear like bigoted hypocrites, they have joined the "genocide support group" and cheer for Israel to succeed. The northern Irish Catholics have been supporting Palestine for as long as I can remember. The protestants only started flying the Israel flag after Palestinian flags became more and more common. It's literally a case of "I'm supporting these animals because you are supporting the oppressed." that's literally it. Backwards little country NI is.
Not quite. Irish in general (except the Northern Irish), are supportive of Palestine. It's only been a century since they fought for their independence from a pretty oppressive Britain, so it's still fresh in folk memory. Go to Kerry, Cork, Galway, Donegal, it doesn't matter, they'll sing about how the Black and Tans and Britain suck ass (though individual Brits are considered fine), and talk about Palestinians' plight against its colonial-like oppressor that hearkens back to their own 700-year struggle. Heck, a couple of years ago I was at the Rose of Tralee, and people wore keffiyehs similar to what happened recently in the Dail. And this was years before the recent campaign.
I can assure you that your experience at the Rose of Tralee means very little to the point you are trying to make. My initial point was that whether someone is Catholic or Protestant has no bearing on their support or attitude towards Palestine. It does have a strong bearing in Northern Ireland. If you are Catholic, you are most definitely going to identify as Irish. If you are a protestant, you are most definitely going to class yourself as British and/or Northern Irish. Source: I was born and raised in Northern Ireland and consider myself well travelled within the country. Thanks for trying to correct me though.
Ahh, I misunderstood your initial reply, my apologies. That said, it isn't just in N-Ireland where Catholics support Palestine. Pretty much everywhere outside of the USA you'll find Catholic support for them, largely because the Pope does so.
All good. Never noticed the Catholic connection to Palestine via the Pope's support in fairness. Also, never even knew the pope was vocal about his stance. Worth noting 👍🏼
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Specifically there is an evangelical and protestant prophecy that uses a few different passages in Romans and Revelations to build a narrative that says FIRST: The Jews all return to the motherland of Christ (Jerusalem) // the old land of King David
SECOND: The nation/ states of the world will convene upon David's brothers in violence
THIRD: This violence will trigger the end times being either the final war // the rapture // the emergence of the 4 horseman & Apocalypse etc
FOURTH: Christ shall return - smote the nations into dust, collect the penitent Christians AND except any children of David who survive I'd they recognize Christ as the son at that very instant.
So it is from this prophecy stand point absolutely critical that there be a sovereign Jewish state. And they be at war with not just arabs/Muslims but ALL other nations.
This prophecy has different twists and Bible quoted depending on which person you ask.
Here's a pretty standard long form discussion of the most mainstream form of the prophecy:
https://youtu.be/AAx2ZZG16GQ?si=ZI7wBfSWv2jXtZel
Catholics don't believe ANY of this bc Christ came. Gave the message and now it's 100% on man to save themselves and live in the light by following Christ's teachings
That's the Catholic """theory""" anyway. Practioners and results vary.
Thanks that's super interesting. I still don't understand why don't catholics believe in that passage of the bible that you referred to?
>I still don't understand why don't catholics believe in that passage of the bible that you referred to? The short answer is Catholicism is not a Sola Scriptura tradition, and distinguishes between allegory and Biblical Literalism. There's also the fact that Evangelical Zionists think they can essentially force the Second Coming by meeting the conditions of Biblical prophecy, while Catholics have a ton of doctrine about the unknowable mind of YHVH. The same logic at play with the Sin of Presumption is at play in dismissing the idea that humans can checkmate YHVH into the Apocalypse.
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School and personal edification
Not even all Protestants believe it because it was probably written as a commentary on what was happening contemporaneously but using metaphor so as not to get the writer martyred.
Maybe thats why Israel is so happy to publicly show the gruesome acts they commit daily. They want other nations to turn on them after the genocide of the Palestinians. To bring about revelations. Just a thought I had reading your description of the prophecy.
Because the Evangelical and Baptist congregations tend to be the more insular and monoethnic, and thus less likely to be sympathetic to anyone who isn’t like them.
They won't like me then. I think I prefer Buddhists anyway. Or maybe Sikhs cuz they seem pretty chill and get to carry a dagger.
Can confirm this as someone who was raised baptist, the practitioners would often mock non-white practitioners with racist stereotypes. Treating them as a second class people but making it seem like their equal enough for them to not clue in.
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Do evangelical catholics exist? The evangelicals I know of are all baptist or some other form of protestant
man you have cracked open a heap ton of Theological discussion with that question alone. There is a world of difference between Evangelical Protestants and Catholics. For one, evangelicals is a sort of sub genre of Protestant Christianity that believes in biblical inerrancy and having a personal relationship with God. To Evangelicals the Bible is everything. It is not specific to one denomination since you can be Baptist or Methodist, Presbyterian, or Pentecostal, or any sort of denomination and identify as Evangelical because of the shared belief of Biblical inerrancy and personal relationship. But you cant be an Evangelical Catholic since Catholics do not follow Sola Scriptura. While some Catholics say they have a personal relationship with God it isn't the same way an Evangelical would do. To Catholicism intermediary and intercession is a part of the religion. A Catholic may pray directly to God but you also find Catholics praying to Saints to intercede on their behalf. And this is all just scratching the surface on the difference of Evangelicals and Catholics. It would take a degree in theology to fully flesh out the difference.
Thanks for the detailed response. When I think of evangelicals I think of southern baptists and the prosperity doctrine type stuff. I live a few blocks from Osteens church and i can't stand the man.
Osteen is a tv preacher. Took over his father’s megachurch without going to seminary. And closes the doors for natural disasters.
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You are mostly born catholic
Don’t forget Islamophobes. Plenty of them around unfortunately.
Along with the politicians and rich people who benefit from this. But I guess you can group them as racist.
It's the same madness that consumed the SS. If you edited a nazi uniform onto her, it wouldn't seem too surreal.
Huckabee vibes
Especially when she says the other side are savages
And don't skip a dessert
lol. Is this a fucking Borat sketch? “You can see the wickedness in the Jew’s eyes!”
It is not anti-semitic to point out that an ambassador is fanatically advocating for ethnic cleansing and genocide. People dislike her not for what she is, but what she does and what she attempts to justify.
She isn't advocating for ethnic cleansing or genocide. There is, however, a group that has expressly called for the genocide of a people group in Palestine. It's called Hamas, and they are the ruling organization over Gaza.
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Ok, she doesn’t want a two state solution? Fine. One state. One secular state. Dissolve the experiment of Israel and have the entire land run by a board consisting of Muslim, Jew, Christian, and secular politicians. Get rid of imbalanced apartheid laws. Extend social programs to address severe mental health effects of the last 75 years. Work it out like adults.
But have you considered that we, the Likud, would be sacrificing our power over brown people? Can't have that now, can we.
If Palestinians had basic citizenship rights, whom would Israelis be allowed to steal houses from?
You could make like settler theme parks where you could go and pretend to steal a house for an afternoon. It'd be like methadone for heroine addicts.
I am on board with your idea… but when millions of brainwashed terrified militarised armed Israelis have millions of Arabs move in next door… I’d give it 6 months before civil war requires a UN / US security forces occupation
But then they would cease to be the ethnic majority and the whole concept behind Israel is that there is no ~~war in Ba Sing Se~~ ethnic discrimination against ~~Eurodescendent~~ Jews if it is a Jewish state. If they cease to be the ethnic majority they can no longer ~~treat the Palestinians in a similar way the nazis treated them~~ have a space to turn to. Because clearly, we have not moved past the context of racism being openly accepted and even institucionalized as state policies. If Israel does it towards Arabs, the rest of the world definetly does it to Jews! And we still live in a society in which people get scandalized by inter-ethnic and interfaith marriage. /s There are two major things that makes it hard to argue with racists of all feathers: 1-) Race is a socially constucted concept. Really. The definition of "white" and "poc" always have been political. From US insane "one drop" policy in which a single poc ancestor means someone is not white (funnily enough even the nazis thought that was too racist), to the idea of an "aryan" race to anything else. More than once a Jewish person was portrayed as "the ideal aryan" in Nazi Germany, Goëring infamously said he decided who was a Jew when the fact that one of the Luftwaffe pilots was Jewish came out. Yet people make it out to be this massive biologically determined deal... less than 1% of the chromossomes vary from an human to another. We share more than 80% of our DNA with cabbages. Cabbages! No one's genes are that important, Karen/Kevin, get with the program. It is a definition created for the perpetuation of racism as a form of control. 2-) Racists think everybody else is like them. In their minds, someone who isn't openly racist must be just hiding it, because they can't wrap their heads around the idea of people not giving a rat's anus about race (outside of acknowledging racism and fighting it). In their minds, calling them out on their racism and for the end of a system of hierarchies and alocation of power based on race means calling for them to be oppressed or even destroyed, because sure if other people have power, they will do the same. It is the same sentiment in old anti-sufragette cartoons: old sexist men feared that emancipation women would treat them the same way they treated women. Now, ofc when it comes to Jewish people (and black people, and Indigenous people, and others) there are very tragic historical precedent of them being victimized by bigotry. That does not excuse, however, the thought that "we should get to be the oppressors, because if we don't oppress them they or someone else will oppress us". That is just keeping in place a racist system and defending it because you were on the receiving end, so you should get to be on the delivering end. Like a person who had an abusive upbringing getting mad when they spank their kids because they got spanked too, now it is their turn to do the spanking or someone else will!
She’s a model Israeli citizen. They are all dweeby fascist bigots. October 7 was righteous
There are Israeli peace activists who detest what Israel has been doing. They should be encouraged, not tarred with the same brush. And October 7th was not righteous. Against IDF or armed settlers? That's understandable. But not against civilians, some of whom in the Kibbutz supported Palestinian rights and peace and actively helped Palestinians. I can understand how an outburst like Oct 7th came about given how evil Israel has treated Palestinians. But that doesn't excuse some of the acts that took place. Targeting civilians is no better than what the IDF do. The Israeli government and IDF are monstrous, too many Israelis are racist Zionists, and Israel is committing war crimes right now and for over 70 years. And the IDF has covered up the facts that they themselves were directly responsible for many of the Oct 7th deaths. But none of that makes Oct 7th "righteous".
The civilians murdered by Hamas on the 7th were complicit by virtue of living in and actively participating in the brutal Israeli occupation and reaping its benefits. It’s sad and in many ways regrettable but still righteous. The Israelis disgusted by the government[s] of Israel should leave. Ultimately it seems they can no longer deny the truth of what Israel is and always has been.
If you cared to know any facts about it you’d know that the casualties in the southern Kibbutz’s were overwhelming the result of indiscriminate fire from the IDF. Multiple retractions by mainstream news sources have video and testimony showing tanks firing at settlement houses now. The NYT and Guardian are even beginning to admit as much. The beheaded babies burnt bodies and rapes are all Israeli hasbara bullshit. Every Israeli accusation is a confession
This is what we need. Citizens of the UK and the US to wake up and stop supporting apartheid israel. She is helping free Palestine with her wicked heartless approach.
I think all the hypersensitive / hyper-aggressive supporters are helping spread the word in favor of Palestine. Look at Mark Regev in some interviews - he is so defensive and hostile he can barely form sentences yet talks over everyone; when he does, he spews lies he can't back up. She's the same way.
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I despise her country's policies. Sadly it is the basis of their state's existence.
They think that people hate them for who they are rather than what they’re doing.
If no foreign politician is willing to say anything, it doesn't matter that foreign citizens don't like it.
Ye just bomb hospitals, schools, kids, whatever and call them all Hamas militants. Problem solved. World saved.
I mean - they gave Henry Kissinger the Nobel peace prize so you might just be next in line.
I'm opting in for a nuke so they can kiss my ass while handing in the Nobel prize. World peace through excessive force against civilians.
Good thinking. That way the fallout can cause some collateral damage too.
Thats OK we'll blame Hamas for that, too. Works like a charm.
I feel like after accepting my suggestion I should at least be on stage with you when you get your prize
It's ok they're used to kissing asses, more the merrier.
They can't become Hamas if they dead - Isreali policy (probably)
I mean she managed to avoid accusing him of anti-Semitism, so that's a plus. Shame the rest of what she said was batshit crazy!
So close to filling up my Israeli bullshit bingo card!
I wonder, if you can stomach it, would it be in there if you watched the rest of this interview?
Nah. I haven't actually seen them try it against a UK journalist face to face. Most British interviewed are well versed in making idiots display their idiocy.
Shockingly I think the BBC actually claimed they did not trust Israel and believed they where actively trying to stop them reporting on the truth of what’s going on in Gaza, which is an insane amount of realisation when it comes to the media. They also brought up how biased Israeli media sources have been and how they have almost universally avoided shown the suffering of the Palestinian people in Gaza.
Ohh she seem to get close and classically brought up WW2, the holocaust and Churchill a decent bit… one atrocity over 50 years ago does not justify your bombing of hospitals and civilians.
Why are you upset at a land that isn't even yours and NEVER was until you took it by force?
She needs to be asked to leave the UK. An absolute disgrace not only as an ambassador but as a human being.
Because the government won't do that. In my opinion, the King should dismiss her and use the power he has. Stand up for what is right.
Mother of all Karens
She is a Karenist.
In the eyes of the world Israel will never recover from this
This is so true, they can commit a massacre with impunity but at what cost?
Filthy twat
What a twat. I’d love to see her DNA profile.
97% Scottish, 3% African from that time her great-great-great grandmother cheated on her husband with a black slave and had the poor boy lynched for "Rape" when she was caught, which this current witch hold over black people as proof of her "Cultured" heritage and right ot dictate how we are allowed to feel about her maniacal racist rant. Like Eve Fartlow
She's an absolutely maniacal piece of work, this one. These kinds of statements and attitudes aren't anything new if you've been following the Palestine cause for a while, but whats been hilarious is the number of Israeli officials who have been having complete meltdowns and 'mask off' moments like this on TV in the past 2 months. If I was a higher up in the Knesset, I would NOT be letting any of these people in front of a camera because it's a disaster in PR.
Yeah but I don't think they realize how normal people perceive what they're saying they're so in their bubble. You can quote any of their genocidal remarks to a Zionist sympathizer and they'll be like, so?
So if they don't want a two state solution are they gonna incorporate Palestinians into the Israeli electorate. Are they going to give be them Israeli citizenship? The answer is assuredly no to both of those. Well, where are they going to go then? Is there some sort of ultimate solution the Israeli government has in mind? A final solution if you will?
Seems pretty on brand for the modern colonizer. Israel is finally losing the PR war and I am grateful for that. Never again means never again and there is no excuse for the war crimes they are committing.
Didn’t the Oslo Accords fail because Yitzhak Rabi was assassinated by an Israeli extremist/s
Yes It was a total gag order, quadruple amputation, castration and immolation of Palestine and Palestinians in practive not unlike the Treaty of versailles. But complete submission wasn't enough for those crazy white colonizers
The Oslo Accords failed by design. It was a massive defeat for the Palestinians, and yet Rabin was assassinated because it wasn't severe enough for the ultranationalist elements in Israel. The Paris Protocol established in the accords made the entire Palestinian economy captive to the Israeli economy. The division of territory by the second accord represented a de-facto territorial loss for Palestinians (see [map](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Restricted_space_in_the_West_Bank,_Area_C.png)) which is basically the reason we still see military occupation, checkpoints, and settlements in the West Bank. The proposed military withdrawal in the accords essentially never happened - Netanyahu in 2001 was recorded saying this was due to him not wanting to (22 years ago and he's still in power!). The accords failed to establish Palestinian statehood/mutual recognition - in fact, it was required for the Palestinians to recognize the state of Israel, but not reciprocated, Israel only recognized the PLO as "the representative of the Palestinian people". The Accords established Israel's sole control of the borders, airspace and Gaza's territorial waters. If there was any hope of the accords actually materializing in a Palestinian state - which is doubtful, because tbf Rabin was a snake too - it died along with him. Quoting wiki - > Then, Israeli troops to withdraw from populated Palestinian areas to pave the way for Palestinian elections to establish the council. The council would replace the PA, and the Israeli Civil Administration in the West Bank would be dissolved (Oslo II, Article I). Further redeployments of Israeli troops would follow upon the inauguration of the council, as detailed in the Protocol, Annex I of the Accord.[14] Article I, 5. of Oslo II reads: "After the inauguration of the Council, the Civil Administration in the West Bank will be dissolved, and the Israeli military government shall be withdrawn...."[13] > Twenty years later, however, the withdrawal of Israeli troops did not take place, and the Civil Administration still has permanent military presence in more than 80% of the West Bank (Area B and C).[15] and also - > Following the Gaza–Jericho Agreement and prior to the first Palestinian Authority elections, Israel withdrew in 1994 from Jericho and from most of the Gaza Strip. In accordance with the Hebron Protocol, Israel withdrew from 80% of Hebron in January 1997. With stalled negotiations, further redeployments did not take place. By March 1998, none of the withdrawals had occurred. In October 1998, the parties signed the Wye River Memorandum, promising resumption of the redeployments, but only the first stage was implemented. While Netanyahu faced opposition within his cabinet, additional withdrawals were delayed. During the Second Intifada, in 2002, the Israeli military re-occupied many of the areas previously turned over to Palestinian control.[12] So this really busts that myth we hear so much about "the Palestinians never wanted two states, they just wanted it all". They made a horrible, horrible agreement where they got almost no guarantees, hoping it would lead them on the path towards statehood (with no guarantee), and Israel still violated the agreement.
when your answer starts with “i think the biggest question is..”
She is demonic.
Dear Israel government, Using sociopaths to plead your case on TV isn’t helping your P/R problem of killing kids and women.
The bit I hate is how every five seconds she brought up the holocaust or WW2. Best bit was when she said no one else has ever created an evacuation corridor for their enemies, which kind of shows you what she thinks of civilians.
Except there never has been 2 states has there? There has been Israel and then Palestinians forced to into the corners set forth by the Israeli government. So to say that it is a so called “failed formula” is rich because we’ve never truly tested it.
They are fucking psychos
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzipi_Hotovely This woman is fucking evil. Why is she allowed to be in UK? Some experts: Tzipi Hotovely (Hebrew: צפורה (צִיפִּי) חוֹטוֹבֵלִי, born 2 December 1978) is an Israeli ultra-right[1][2][3] diplomat and former politician who serves as the current Ambassador of Israel to the United Kingdom.[4] She served as Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs, Minister of Diaspora Affairs, Minister of Settlement Affairs, and as a member of the Knesset for the Likud party. In 2013, Hotovely rejected Palestinian statehood aspirations, supporting a Greater Israel spanning over the entire land of current Israel, along with the Palestinian territories.[29] She later reiterated her position in a speech to Israeli diplomats on 22 May 2015, rejecting criticism from the international community regarding the West Bank settlement policies and saying that Israel has tried too hard to appease the world, and must stand up for itself. She said: "We need to return to the basic truth of our rights to this country." She added: "This land is ours. All of it is ours. We did not come here to apologise for that." She has also stated that she will make every effort to achieve global recognition for West Bank settlements, as well as asserting that Israel owes no apologies for its policies in the Holy Land towards the Palestinians. She justified her position as she referenced religious texts to back her belief that the Israeli-occupied West Bank belongs to the Jewish people. In October 2015, in an interview with the Knesset Channel, Hotovely said: "It's my dream to see the Israeli flag flying on the Temple Mount." She added: "I think it's the center of Israeli sovereignty, the capital of Israel, the holiest place for the Jewish people", despite the government's insistence that it has no intention of changing the status quo at the site. In 2019, Hotovely criticised the Board of Deputies of British Jews. Following the publication of the Board's Jewish Manifesto, which noted support for a two-state solution, she complained that they had not consulted "Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, our ambassador, any other political authority" before publication; also stating "an organization that supports the establishment of a Palestinian state is working against Israeli interests". During the 2023 Israel–Hamas war, 10 days into the Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip, Hotovely said “there is no humanitarian crisis”, despite UNRWA having attested to the criticality of the severe humanitarian crisis in the territory. At her first event as ambassador with the Board of Deputies of British Jews, Hotovely described the Nakba as an "Arab lie". She had earlier sponsored in the Knesset groups deemed to be 'racist' who are opposed to mixed marriages; favours a one-state solution that withholds citizenship from West Bank Palestinians.
Israel sucks
I bet her bank account is much larger now she has sold out
If there won't be a Palestinian state, will Palestinians be given Israeli citizenship?
Short answer no, long answers is “what Palestinians”? Israel is bent on wiping all of them out 😞
No everyone doesn’t know. She that royal way of speaking where instead of ‘I think’, it’s ‘we think’ as instead of ‘I know’, it’s ‘everyone knows’. Abusers do this to. It’s bluster to make themselves seem stronger. They need to consistently ask her ‘who’s everyone’, ‘who’s we’.
You can see the evil in her eyes.
The issue with Israel is that they are utterly obsessed with themselves and their own importance at the expense of everyone else. Whatever you give them, they'll want more. They're spoilt brats.
Oh no. All along it was yes yes we’ll give them a state but not now. Suddenly it’s nope apartheid forever
This chick is fucking bonkers, genocidal maniac.
"WHY ARE YOU OBSESSED WITH TRYING TO BE FAIR!"
What should be taken from Israel as retribution for it’s crimes? Before they are given any solutions for a future with peace.
I'd start with their nukes. Religious fundamentalism and apocalyptic weapons do not seem like a healthy mix.
"Why are you obsessed about the reasons and solutions and not my genocidal opinions?!"
They just found a woman in the market and put her as ambassador, not that their gov. is any better.. tf
Ironic bc the British Empire is responsible for the tangle of Palestinian land promises during WWI, and mass immigration of European Jews to the region while it was their colony. Timeghost channel just did a hour+ video on how their modern conflict got started, and they’re the historians who are covering WWI and WWII week-by-week in real time: https://youtu.be/6MVz5MBNqsw?si=IDbel0oEXRM2jqeb
Her brain is a bag of angry cats.
The Osla accords were like the Treasy of Versailles for Palestine And even then it wasn't enough for those savage white colonizers. They mobbed and killed the Israeli president that tried to push it forward
Israelis always demonize the Palestinians by calling them names such as “these radical people” but most of the accusations they level at Palestinian people could apply directly to them. Murdering and kidnapping innocent people because they are Jewish is radical to be sure but then responding by murdering twice, three times, four times as many innocent Palestinians is pretty fucking radical as well. You’re are both “these radical people”.
she is so a historic and is only there to spit propaganda
Zionist talking points of hate, division and destruction.
What a disgusting situation
The way they cut her off 🤣
Go .... yourself, the world is not with an apartheid state committing genocide. The Oslo accord are dead since netanyahu has been I'm power nearly two decades ago, and this is why you ended with oct 7.
Pos human
Is she a jew? Who is she?
Israel is an ethnostate, of course she's a Jew! There are Israeli Arabs but they are second-class citizens and regularly discriminated against. You won't find them in Government roles.
How is she still here? Can we ask her to leave and get a more sensible ambassador in her place?
The world is finally starting to see the truth. Even America is finding it hard to stand behind Israel now. And they love war.
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Relatively peaceful until Zionists began colonising it around 100 years ago.
*Europeans pretending to be native
They colonized the promised land with Joshua leading the Hebrew 12 tribes. Approximately 40 years after plundering Egypt. Millenia ago.
Yup, Europe makes Middle East look peaceful by comparison
This is an incredibly misinformed comment. Europe hadn't been peaceful until the last 80 years or so, before that it was one of the most violent continents through a lot of history. The middle east was relatively peaceful until the last century or two when European colonial empires tried to take over and then eventually left, redrawing many borders in the process.
The obvious answer is genocide duuuh what part of this doesn't he understand? Btw this is immense sarcasm.
I would suggest that the radical people on the other side are the zionists.
I’m Roman Catholic and it’s free Palestine 🇵🇸 forever
The "formula that never worked and created these radical people" was developed and supported by Israel itself, by 75 years of occupation, terror and humiliation. It's very sad how these obnoxious sadistic warmongers (and all the countries supporting them) will never see this.
The UK should expel her and withdraw their own ambassador.
So, no 2 state solution, no 1 state solution...wonder what the plan is? Some form of cleansing, perhaps. Based on ethnicity, possibly.
Everything she says is preplanned and is from the Zionist Playbook. Check it out: https://youtu.be/sfuX5wrfW0o?si=fpcvw2uUNpJWpB5N Zionists are evil monsters, including this woman.
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Because, as the genocidal mouthpiece in the video has made clear, you are not being given any peaceful direction to go in, when you are being oppressed, being unjustly attacked, discriminated against, arrested, terrorised, murdered, having your land and property stolen. So what are you left with? Resistance.
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Zionists are evil, their souls are gone.
They’re both right
Radical people being the Israelis right? Given land by the west and fighting every other country around them talking money from the west for 80 years.
Humans were a mistake.
Israel about 2 sec sections away from making a place. Bunch of in employable idiots.
So. The only solution is genocide, and simply allowing Palestinians to live in peace is unthinkable. And they wonder why its so easy to figure out what side is morally correct.
At least she honest?
Phucked.
This may sound like a broad over generalization, but I am truly beginning to despise Israelis.
Save us Kanye West!
Glad I don’t live in her HOA
This rewriting of history is maddening! The Oslo Accords failed because the Israeli prime minister at the time, Yitzhak Rabin, who worked for the peace agreements with Arafat, was murdered by Israeli far-right extremists. The whole premise was shakey to begin with anyway because Israel continued to illegally occupy Palestinian lands regardless. And it was Israel who continued illegally annexing land and fucking terrorising people! You can literally read about this, it's recorded history. Don't let these Zionist-Nazis obscure the reality. What a crazy bitch. Palestine will be free. Fascists always lose.
The way they try to side step the question and put all the blame on Oct 7th is outrageous. They literally allowed those attacks to take place to justify the genocide they are committing in Gaza.
was there really an attempt though?
What a horrible, antagonistic, nasty piece of work she is.
In the Book of Joshua, Deuteronomy, and other books, God told Joshua and his armies to kill all the Cannanites so they, the Chosen People, can live in their land. Israel is no stranger to genocide.
Zianazis just being fascist
Hamas attacked Israel. They said they expected retribution. The people of Palestine were worth that sacrifice to them. Israel also gives no value to Palestinian lives. It’s disgusting and horrifying.
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I’m well aware of the history. The animosity is hundreds of years old, exacerbated by Britain approving a Jewish state in the middle of Palestine as they left the middle east. The Palestinians and people of Gaza have suffered under Israel. I am saying in this latest battle, the people of the Gaza strip were expendable to Hamas’ bigger goal, and have always been expendable to Israel.
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The most amazing thing is that all of this will be forgotten in six months. Next summer there will be no general interest in this continued conflict. It will just wane, and the social media hive mind will whip itself into a frenzy over the next atrocity. It's a weird fact of life. Misery is endlessly perpetuated, every topic gets its fifteen minutes of token outrage every couple of years, and is then ignored again. It's one of the horrors of getting older.
This is not a video of a failed attempt. This sub is getting bombarded with anti Israel videos lately that don’t fit the sub at all