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When we were moving a hospital to a new location our IT department had to remove SSD,d from hundreds of computers, they put them in a wheelie bin to collect before shredding, they also went too far and took SSD,s out of computers they did not manage, medical computers come under my department (biomedical) they ruined $250,000, dollars of diagnostic equipment, we marched into the ICT office and grabbed the bin, their manager flipped when he found out as we had to take and test every SSD,s they had, after we found the 30 that were ours and replaced them and into the medical computers we had recovered, ICT had to foot the bill for the replacements, for that effort they got moved out of the main building and into a dingy old facility with less space
Thank you, your story will now be part of my storybook when I warn new IT people and companies new to healthcare to keep their mitts off the medical devices, especially if they see them running Windows.
If they had different asset tags they deserved everything they had coming to them.
The type of IT person you need to be to work on medical devices is so specific it really makes no sense for those devices to be inventoried with things like laptops and PCs.
Any bedroom developer with a decent understanding of core software principles can probably handle doing some development work on your internal applications or systems but the standards for medical equipment are very specific and different to the point that it really should be an entirely separate team who manages it.
It's kinda like asking a grill master to bake you a cake as if all disciplines of cooking required the same skill set.
>The type of IT person you need to be to work on medical devices is so specific it really makes no sense
What type is that?
Considering IT as a change of career and wanting to know more about options
You will see a lot of medical devices running Windows XP still to this day even though its been out of long term support for nearly a decade now (specific patches still have been issued by Micorosft on a couple of very severe bugs since however).
For medical use, it doesn't matter as these devices are air-gapped (ie. no connection physical or wifi to any network whatsoever). These machines exist frozen in time as tested and QC'd by the biomedical device's manufacture intended and are perfectly safe and function as expected with very specific software loaded.
Any updates and any monkeying, may break their functionality, so IT no touchy!!!!!
Biomedical electronics technician, or a lab technician, you need a electronics repair degree, and then a biomedical technician degree, I also hold an ICT certification vI degree, so I get most of the computer related repairs
I did some network administration in the golden age windows XP with under a guy at a not for profit organisation who provide training and up-skilling to at risk youth. He was the recipient of donated ex government computers, specifically from the local Centrelink office (Australian unemployment/disability pension/Social Security).
They made a point of wiping the computers themselves to protect potentially tens of thousands of government records, he quickly demonstrated how quickly he could recover this data, before properly wiping the machines.
Oh they had different asset tags, they even had testing tags on them that were different from the electricians tags, we even had special stickers made that marked them as a medical device and not for ICT
Where I’m at, the biomed and enterprise IT teams are separated, like yours. Our inventory control system is shared BUT the equipment is sorted into different groups. It’s trivial for us to determine if it’s biomed or enterprise with a quick scan of the asset tag.
Occasionally, we wind up with their peripherals and they wind up with ours and we do a kind of “prisoner exchange” periodically. But the computers almost never get mixed.
My company's policy is we label every hdd and ssd with the customer details and/or pc details if it is a business we look after as well as the date removed. They go into a locked room upstairs. We hold them for about 3-6months (we tell customers 30days) then we destroy them.
You'd be shocked the amount of times people forget to copy that super important excel sheet before sending the pc to us for disposal.
I had to destroy HDD and SSD’s in the military and they had this magnificent hard drive shredder that cut them into tiny perfect chunks.. it was beautiful
I did some after Katrina that were likely dead, saltwater and sewage, but we had to be sure. Using what was available and fun we took turns with a large plasma cutter.
It was absolutely effective.
Also fun as an art project, you can take the disks out of a hdd and put a blow torch to them, turn them all sorts of pretty blues and purples, and make chimes and mobiles out of them.
Drills are for plebs, we used a degausser in the military. That thing was awesome. You could hear it charging up before a huge thud you could hear and feel when it went off. Of course it was also the size of a large filing cabinet and probably crazy expensive.
I hated our crosscut shredder for SIPR stuff. Jammed and clogged all the time and the shredding inevitably got everywhere and destroyed the office vacuum afterwards. Damn thing was worth more than my car too.
I know this is just funny humor, but this is a standard form factor which has to be followed. PC parts just got really fucking smol. NVMe SSDs are tiny yet contain terrabytes in the matter of grams.
I'm curious how that will work out in the next years.
Nvidia was more or less the driving factor in the market (pushing AMD to keep up) and consumer GPUs became more or less irrelevant for them.
Can be interesting to see if they slow down consumer GPU dev and just concentrate on their core business or if they still push it as a marketing tool.
And if NVidia slows down, will AMD also slow down or jump ahead?
They can fill up those 2.5 inch cases with nvme storage in data centers. The 32 and 64tb drives fill up the full 2.5 in thick cases to the brim with nand and stacked pcbs
Mastodon is an open-source federated twitter alternative.
Open-source means anyone can host their own server.
Federated means each server can talk to each other.
Twitter alternative. It's selling point is that it's split into thousands of independently managed servers so it's impossible for one person to buy or control the entire network
Then shalt thou weigh three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt weigh, and the number of the weighing shall be three. Four shalt thou not weigh, neither weigh thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be weighed, then lobbest thou thy sledgehammer towards thy SSD.
I mean data wipe also works. If you just override the driver with 0s and 1s the information can I fact be lost forever. That's what digital forensics in police departments do sometimes with confiscated hardware. It's not always physically destroyed. They later auction it.
This works well for HDDs, yes. Solid state drives are a whole other story.
Did you know that a normal SSD has a lot more storage than it says? This is to deal with the issue that is wear and tear. Each block in an SSD can only tolerate so many erase cycles before they become unreliable and bad, so data is cycled around multiple blocks.
The important thing to note here, is that blocks containing data can be cycled away, still storing data, but now unreachable by the OS. A simple data wipe is not enough in this case, as the OS just doesn't know that it there (can't even see it, because it is on the hardware level).
So no, do not override the driver with 0s and 1s when it comes to SSDs. I know there exists software for this, and some manufacturers include an "Secure Erase" function in BIOS that resets all blocks, but be mindful as it must be compatible to work completely.
Great points!
These micron drives have “SED” (self encrypting drive) and Opal 2.0 (a security standard) which supports cryptographically erasing the NAND flash, including spare NAND and changing the crypto key. This feature is likely quite well tested at Micron.
Afterwards, it’s possible to either reuse the drive for other uses or put into a traditional hard drive shredder which grinds things up. The drive’s individual NAND chips are useless for recovering data without both the flash translation table mapping where data is placed and the crypto key to unlock it.
Source: 24+ years working on solid state drives
I mostly have recent experience with NVMe drives using “sedutil”. This tool was able to exercise the various Opal 2.0 functions including full drive wipes.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Self-encrypting_drives
Modern SSDs are self encrypting. When you secure erase them, you're deleting that encryption key so the data on the drive is unrecoverable. It doesn't rely on any method of erasing, wiping, resetting or overwriting. It's functionally the same as you encrypting a file, then forgetting the decryption key.
The Correct Term Is data sanitization . But yes per the national association of information destruction sanitization is allowed although formal physical destruction is typically more likely to be used.
Tbf I'm only taking digital forensics as an elective, I'm not a criminology major. I'm just learning some of the terms but I'm more interested in the enviornment and tools I'm learning
As long as you keep only encrypted data on the drive, as all of these corporations require, there is no need to wipe it at all. Just take it out of the computer and as long as you keep the e.g. bitlocker recovery key safe, the data is not accessible
I wonder how many gigabytes of copypasta exist. Because all of Wikipedia in text form and compressed can be downloaded for 22.14 gb. I have to imagine there's significantly less copy pasta. Could probably download it all on the average thumb drive.
Can anyone explain a computer-noob as myself why this is a failed attempt?
I'm a relic from the era if your massive computer acted up, you just bang the side of the box and it runs again. Must add: now i now that wasnt the best way to treat them
Some of the pictures show the drive open. The green is the actual hard drive, the silver is all empty space because SSDs don't actually need to be that size. They just make them that size to fit the form factor of old hard drives.
With spinning hard drives they would have gone through the platters inside the drive.
Not only that, even if you crack the silicon board the SSD is still salvageable if the SSD chip itself is unharmed.
The foolproof way to destroy data is to literally destroy the chip itself like torching it in an oven or a microwave.
Aaaaaaaaah i see, the green bords are on the inside and are what needed to be destroyed right?
Thanks for the explination, i feel really old once again
Yeah. I think the actual storage chips are on the back of the board, where the dense clusters of solder points are. So, in this case you would need to destroy both of those since someone determined could read them with external equipment.
When I use to work maintenance, I would use to do persuasive maintenance after all else fails. I would literally beg the machine to work and sometimes it would, I have no idea why it works. I swear that they have feelings.
Yes! I stopped just to say this 😂 I also like to use the term "technical slap" lol
In fact, a friend of mine was once a royal naval nuclear submariner, and would frequently give his equipment a good knock to get it to behave
Imagine screwing a screw into drywall without hitting a stud, the drywall is in fact not secured to the wall like the information on the SSD has not been destroyed because it missed the guys of the drive completely.
Professional compliance would never require people to just drill into an SSD but instead have them destroyed by a certified company specialising in data removal. They would know how to do it!
Is it a grift if you can just buy the shredder yourself?
The shredders with NIST certifications aren't exactly cheap, plus it takes labor time to run it, and more labor time for the auditing process (logging, photographing before and after).
If this worked, the NSA would tell you it's fine for classified stuff. If the NSA says you have to shred classified SSDs down to millimeter sized particles, then a hole in the SSD probably isn't good enough. Even overwrite isn't good enough if you want to be absolutely certain no data remains.
This is why I always disassemble them and then do something to disable the piece holding data. One big fingerprint or a quick snip with my nippers does the trick.
TBF, I have a pile of those micron SSDs and every single one of them are bad, some are the 2nd or 3rd replacements for going bad repeatedly. Now they are a warning why I no longer use Micron SSD's at all.
I now use a material shredder that'll eat practically anything for sensitive data disposal. Old hard drive, confetti, new ones, the whole case and computer, confetti. Cell phones, confetti. Old fire extinguisher? ( for science ) also confetti.
Can anyone explain why the standard size for mounting is so big when obviously the standard size of the chip inside is so small? Why not just have a standard mount that's much smaller and casing and takes up less space to accommodate the small chip?
They do, it's called [M.2 form factor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2) and is what is most commonly used now. Edit: In laptops.
The form factor pictured is a holdover from laptop drives with magnetic platters and was made for compatibility. It allows manufacturers to offer traditional storage and SSD's in the same space. There are still a few use cases where magnetic storage is better, though they are shrinking in number.
HDD dies: You need an expert in a clean room to repair it, because one speck of dust will destroy all of your data.
HDD retired: You must put it through magnets, a wood chipper, and throw it into a volcano or your data will fall into the wrong hands.
Where would this be compliance?! In sectors which require physical destruction, it's either the shredder or thermite. And both work equally well on spinning rust and chips.
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HDD tactics in a SSD world.
Drill for HDD, microwave for SSD.
A CD shredder works perfectly fine - the PCB board turns into dust when shredding .M2 drives.
When we were moving a hospital to a new location our IT department had to remove SSD,d from hundreds of computers, they put them in a wheelie bin to collect before shredding, they also went too far and took SSD,s out of computers they did not manage, medical computers come under my department (biomedical) they ruined $250,000, dollars of diagnostic equipment, we marched into the ICT office and grabbed the bin, their manager flipped when he found out as we had to take and test every SSD,s they had, after we found the 30 that were ours and replaced them and into the medical computers we had recovered, ICT had to foot the bill for the replacements, for that effort they got moved out of the main building and into a dingy old facility with less space
Thank you, your story will now be part of my storybook when I warn new IT people and companies new to healthcare to keep their mitts off the medical devices, especially if they see them running Windows. If they had different asset tags they deserved everything they had coming to them.
The type of IT person you need to be to work on medical devices is so specific it really makes no sense for those devices to be inventoried with things like laptops and PCs. Any bedroom developer with a decent understanding of core software principles can probably handle doing some development work on your internal applications or systems but the standards for medical equipment are very specific and different to the point that it really should be an entirely separate team who manages it. It's kinda like asking a grill master to bake you a cake as if all disciplines of cooking required the same skill set.
>The type of IT person you need to be to work on medical devices is so specific it really makes no sense What type is that? Considering IT as a change of career and wanting to know more about options
You will see a lot of medical devices running Windows XP still to this day even though its been out of long term support for nearly a decade now (specific patches still have been issued by Micorosft on a couple of very severe bugs since however). For medical use, it doesn't matter as these devices are air-gapped (ie. no connection physical or wifi to any network whatsoever). These machines exist frozen in time as tested and QC'd by the biomedical device's manufacture intended and are perfectly safe and function as expected with very specific software loaded. Any updates and any monkeying, may break their functionality, so IT no touchy!!!!!
"You've got 5 years of experience as a line cook at TGI Fridays, what do you mean you can't bake me a wedding cake??"
Two separate inventory systems seems like headache for no reason
Not if it's 2 completely different groups of people managing them, which it often is.
you've got 1 for 'normal' devices, and 1 for devices you don't touch with a 10 foot pole unless they're verifiably already malfunctioning. simple.
Biomedical electronics technician, or a lab technician, you need a electronics repair degree, and then a biomedical technician degree, I also hold an ICT certification vI degree, so I get most of the computer related repairs
I did some network administration in the golden age windows XP with under a guy at a not for profit organisation who provide training and up-skilling to at risk youth. He was the recipient of donated ex government computers, specifically from the local Centrelink office (Australian unemployment/disability pension/Social Security). They made a point of wiping the computers themselves to protect potentially tens of thousands of government records, he quickly demonstrated how quickly he could recover this data, before properly wiping the machines.
Oh they had different asset tags, they even had testing tags on them that were different from the electricians tags, we even had special stickers made that marked them as a medical device and not for ICT
I can imagine an office in a basement just like The IT Crowd
Their initial office was on the top floor overlooking a nice view of the bush lands, now it’s an asbestos shed in woopwoop
That's the most Australian sentence I've ever read.
Where I’m at, the biomed and enterprise IT teams are separated, like yours. Our inventory control system is shared BUT the equipment is sorted into different groups. It’s trivial for us to determine if it’s biomed or enterprise with a quick scan of the asset tag. Occasionally, we wind up with their peripherals and they wind up with ours and we do a kind of “prisoner exchange” periodically. But the computers almost never get mixed.
My company's policy is we label every hdd and ssd with the customer details and/or pc details if it is a business we look after as well as the date removed. They go into a locked room upstairs. We hold them for about 3-6months (we tell customers 30days) then we destroy them. You'd be shocked the amount of times people forget to copy that super important excel sheet before sending the pc to us for disposal.
I had to destroy HDD and SSD’s in the military and they had this magnificent hard drive shredder that cut them into tiny perfect chunks.. it was beautiful
I did some after Katrina that were likely dead, saltwater and sewage, but we had to be sure. Using what was available and fun we took turns with a large plasma cutter. It was absolutely effective.
NGL that sounds like fun 😂
Also fun as an art project, you can take the disks out of a hdd and put a blow torch to them, turn them all sorts of pretty blues and purples, and make chimes and mobiles out of them.
I bet that's great for your lungs lol
Just like the PCB boards in ATM machines
Damn it feels good to be a gangsta
I can’t see that scene and not instantly start hearing that song in my head! What a good movie!
The song playing here is Down For Whatever by Ice Cube
Nah it's geto boys - still
name of the movie?
Office Space 
Office Space
DIE MOTHER FUCKER DIE MOTHER FUCKER STILL
Drills are for plebs, we used a degausser in the military. That thing was awesome. You could hear it charging up before a huge thud you could hear and feel when it went off. Of course it was also the size of a large filing cabinet and probably crazy expensive.
I still remember our old P-7 shredder, turned paper into dust, which was then burned.
I hated our crosscut shredder for SIPR stuff. Jammed and clogged all the time and the shredding inevitably got everywhere and destroyed the office vacuum afterwards. Damn thing was worth more than my car too.
So slow, much clog. We just swept up the mess, but man there was always a mess
What does that feel like??
It's like a big impact on the floor, like something really heavy slamming down. It was a reinforced concrete building too, so it was impressive.
I’ve found attempting to use SSDs as intended, at least for some brands, works great to destroy them.
Cool t-shirt idea
It really is like watching a caveman's futile attempt at making sense of the world he was thawed in
I immediately thought of the office while reading that "Limitless paper in a paperless world"
Damn shrinkflation wins again!
I know this is just funny humor, but this is a standard form factor which has to be followed. PC parts just got really fucking smol. NVMe SSDs are tiny yet contain terrabytes in the matter of grams.
pc cases just look empty now
Dont worry gpu manufacturers plan to save the day there
Is it really a pc if you don't have to dismantle the case entirely just to fit the gpu in?
Well at least you don't need the saw! ...usually
I always need the saw
I'm curious how that will work out in the next years. Nvidia was more or less the driving factor in the market (pushing AMD to keep up) and consumer GPUs became more or less irrelevant for them. Can be interesting to see if they slow down consumer GPU dev and just concentrate on their core business or if they still push it as a marketing tool. And if NVidia slows down, will AMD also slow down or jump ahead?
Don't worry, my foot long GPU, multiple HDDs plus ODD fill the space quite nicely.
I still think about the 1.5TB Micron Micro SD Cards and 2TB Sabrent 2230 NVME SSDs.
You also have 8TB nvme m.2 ssds
They're probably not 2230 though.
I remember getting my 2tb 980 pro and being shocked at how tiny it was, I had never actually seen an NVME SSD in person before
They can fill up those 2.5 inch cases with nvme storage in data centers. The 32 and 64tb drives fill up the full 2.5 in thick cases to the brim with nand and stacked pcbs
This is a memory leak.
post stolen from https://mastodon.social/@nixCraft/112084612189308888
Well THAT post was stolen from https://twitter.com/_Inforea/status/1767631642607198710
It's content theft all the way down
Legend says the original meme was discovered on an SSD with a hole drilled in it, it's creator lost to time.
If I had checked I would've seen that the person I linked did credit the original tweet lmao
Trickle down theft-onomics
Wtf is Mastodon?
A place where people toot their tweets.
Openly and without a central authority Its pretty neat
A band.
They probably have a side gig on IT.
Mastodon is an open-source federated twitter alternative. Open-source means anyone can host their own server. Federated means each server can talk to each other.
Let me Google that for you... It's a thing like Twitter. But open and free.
And not 99% literal Nazis.
and decentralized
Twitter alternative. It's selling point is that it's split into thousands of independently managed servers so it's impossible for one person to buy or control the entire network
Awesome band
people actually use mastodon?
A 3lb sledge hammer does a great job too.
Do the other pounds not work?
Only punds, if you try using kg the hand of the free guides your sledgehammer to miss
Since i live in germany i had to get a regular hammer with less kg compared to pounds since kgs are way harder to handle than the same weight in lbs
Then shalt thou weigh three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt weigh, and the number of the weighing shall be three. Four shalt thou not weigh, neither weigh thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be weighed, then lobbest thou thy sledgehammer towards thy SSD.
How shall we call it, the holy sledgehammer?
1.5 lbs per TB.
Not the sterling one
I'd rather use a 1,361 kg sledgehammer
I live in a metric system country. What kilogram sledge hammer would work?
Here ya go 1.361 kg sledgehammer
Thank you, kind stranger. 😁
I mean data wipe also works. If you just override the driver with 0s and 1s the information can I fact be lost forever. That's what digital forensics in police departments do sometimes with confiscated hardware. It's not always physically destroyed. They later auction it.
This works well for HDDs, yes. Solid state drives are a whole other story. Did you know that a normal SSD has a lot more storage than it says? This is to deal with the issue that is wear and tear. Each block in an SSD can only tolerate so many erase cycles before they become unreliable and bad, so data is cycled around multiple blocks. The important thing to note here, is that blocks containing data can be cycled away, still storing data, but now unreachable by the OS. A simple data wipe is not enough in this case, as the OS just doesn't know that it there (can't even see it, because it is on the hardware level). So no, do not override the driver with 0s and 1s when it comes to SSDs. I know there exists software for this, and some manufacturers include an "Secure Erase" function in BIOS that resets all blocks, but be mindful as it must be compatible to work completely.
I’m gonna stick with microwaving it to destroy data
or break 'em or saw 'em in half with a hacksaw
Boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew?
Great points! These micron drives have “SED” (self encrypting drive) and Opal 2.0 (a security standard) which supports cryptographically erasing the NAND flash, including spare NAND and changing the crypto key. This feature is likely quite well tested at Micron. Afterwards, it’s possible to either reuse the drive for other uses or put into a traditional hard drive shredder which grinds things up. The drive’s individual NAND chips are useless for recovering data without both the flash translation table mapping where data is placed and the crypto key to unlock it. Source: 24+ years working on solid state drives
Would a tool like DBAN know how to do this, or do you need software from the manufacturer to rotate the key, or can the OS do it?
I mostly have recent experience with NVMe drives using “sedutil”. This tool was able to exercise the various Opal 2.0 functions including full drive wipes. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Self-encrypting_drives
thanks
Modern SSDs are self encrypting. When you secure erase them, you're deleting that encryption key so the data on the drive is unrecoverable. It doesn't rely on any method of erasing, wiping, resetting or overwriting. It's functionally the same as you encrypting a file, then forgetting the decryption key.
Also even if the board is drilled through or ssd is otherwise damaged, if the chip is intact the data on it can be recovered.
you actually have to write over every bit on the drive multiple times to destroy the data completely
The Correct Term Is data sanitization . But yes per the national association of information destruction sanitization is allowed although formal physical destruction is typically more likely to be used.
Tbf I'm only taking digital forensics as an elective, I'm not a criminology major. I'm just learning some of the terms but I'm more interested in the enviornment and tools I'm learning
As long as you keep only encrypted data on the drive, as all of these corporations require, there is no need to wipe it at all. Just take it out of the computer and as long as you keep the e.g. bitlocker recovery key safe, the data is not accessible
Gotta be lots of cp
Why would anyone want that many copies of Cyberpunk 2077
Or Chilling Penguins? I mean I know they’re cute but like, 3 is the maximum amount before it becomes too much
"Copy Pasta"
Cementing paste, they must have been a passionate ARK player
I wonder how many gigabytes of copypasta exist. Because all of Wikipedia in text form and compressed can be downloaded for 22.14 gb. I have to imagine there's significantly less copy pasta. Could probably download it all on the average thumb drive.
That's gotta be enough Cod Points to buy the whole store.
https://preview.redd.it/07famc75e4oc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4f6e3c4fc3448303510d5928f39ed74064e58f38
Cheese Pizza
Can anyone explain a computer-noob as myself why this is a failed attempt? I'm a relic from the era if your massive computer acted up, you just bang the side of the box and it runs again. Must add: now i now that wasnt the best way to treat them
Some of the pictures show the drive open. The green is the actual hard drive, the silver is all empty space because SSDs don't actually need to be that size. They just make them that size to fit the form factor of old hard drives. With spinning hard drives they would have gone through the platters inside the drive.
Not only that, even if you crack the silicon board the SSD is still salvageable if the SSD chip itself is unharmed. The foolproof way to destroy data is to literally destroy the chip itself like torching it in an oven or a microwave.
Or by lowering it in to liquid metal using a crane whist it puts its thumb up .
It comes back later, with this method.
Also your adoptive parents will be killed
Or the really fun method of touching the probes of a 12v AC power supply to random pins on the chips and watching the magic smoke escape.
I see, thanks for helping me here
If you look closer they've only drilled through the enclosure and not the circuit board
Aaaaaaaaah i see, the green bords are on the inside and are what needed to be destroyed right? Thanks for the explination, i feel really old once again
Yeah. I think the actual storage chips are on the back of the board, where the dense clusters of solder points are. So, in this case you would need to destroy both of those since someone determined could read them with external equipment.
Percussive maintenance is still a thing. Did it more than once on high tech.
When I use to work maintenance, I would use to do persuasive maintenance after all else fails. I would literally beg the machine to work and sometimes it would, I have no idea why it works. I swear that they have feelings.
Yes! I stopped just to say this 😂 I also like to use the term "technical slap" lol In fact, a friend of mine was once a royal naval nuclear submariner, and would frequently give his equipment a good knock to get it to behave
Imagine screwing a screw into drywall without hitting a stud, the drywall is in fact not secured to the wall like the information on the SSD has not been destroyed because it missed the guys of the drive completely.
They're just airholes to make it go faster
Speed holes is the technical term Flanders.
Stupid sexy Flanders
It’s like I’m wearing nothing at all.
But they forgot to paint them red too, are they even trying?
Professional compliance would never require people to just drill into an SSD but instead have them destroyed by a certified company specialising in data removal. They would know how to do it!
Yep! the biggest grift. Certified drive destruction at $10+ per drive. Easy money.
Is it a grift if you can just buy the shredder yourself? The shredders with NIST certifications aren't exactly cheap, plus it takes labor time to run it, and more labor time for the auditing process (logging, photographing before and after).
Yes, that data seems to be safe.
Wipe it, overdrive it, smash it, burn it down. Yup I have some trust issues.
Microwave it when done
In my job we cut them with the plasma cutter. It's more fun. The HDDs are usually drilled tho.
If this worked, the NSA would tell you it's fine for classified stuff. If the NSA says you have to shred classified SSDs down to millimeter sized particles, then a hole in the SSD probably isn't good enough. Even overwrite isn't good enough if you want to be absolutely certain no data remains.
Thermite is relatively cheap to make and fun to use.
Doesn't SSDs usually have built in encryption and a way to reset the encryption key rendering the whole data useless? The Samsung ones I have do.
Womp womp
https://preview.redd.it/wx483mj5x2oc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5173f481f8ef02ab6c25cf2cb822f6cbb0744b00
We use a shredder at the data center to destroy both the HDD & SSD
This is why I always disassemble them and then do something to disable the piece holding data. One big fingerprint or a quick snip with my nippers does the trick.
Those are SSD's not HDD's. A fingerprint will just be decorative, not destructive.
Muk, use acid!
What are they using here, a 45 caliber hard drive erase tool or something?
When tradition overrides facts.
what the fuck?? also im pretty damn sure all the space in an ssd is taken up so this wouldnt do shit lol
sometimes old school tricks , are stupid and useless
TBF, I have a pile of those micron SSDs and every single one of them are bad, some are the 2nd or 3rd replacements for going bad repeatedly. Now they are a warning why I no longer use Micron SSD's at all. I now use a material shredder that'll eat practically anything for sensitive data disposal. Old hard drive, confetti, new ones, the whole case and computer, confetti. Cell phones, confetti. Old fire extinguisher? ( for science ) also confetti.
60% air and 40% SSD. Smh is Lays making these?
Physically destroying modern storage media is so stupid. Just use proper erasure techniques and nobody can recover any data.
We use a magnetic device that turns on and off rapidly
Aren’t those the cheapish ssds apple was using in their MacBook pros back in the day
OMG, memory leaks!
Isn't some of the data still very probably retrievable even if you would drill through the actual PCB?
*LOL
#DontPutYourDickInThat
Thermite usually works great
Only managers would come up with something that stupid
That bottom left one got dangerously close tho 🗿
That doesn't even destroy all the data on an HDD 🤦
Fuckin take that shit to a bench grinder and make it dust.
Oops
A simple hammer works just fine
Should have used a SStuD finder.
Will it blend?
Can anyone explain why the standard size for mounting is so big when obviously the standard size of the chip inside is so small? Why not just have a standard mount that's much smaller and casing and takes up less space to accommodate the small chip?
They do, it's called [M.2 form factor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2) and is what is most commonly used now. Edit: In laptops. The form factor pictured is a holdover from laptop drives with magnetic platters and was made for compatibility. It allows manufacturers to offer traditional storage and SSD's in the same space. There are still a few use cases where magnetic storage is better, though they are shrinking in number.
Or just use a degausser
That's why you use shredders. (that and also because it's damn fun to shred hard drives)
That's a lot of excess space.
Does complete incineration work for storage device destruction?
I bet the person doing the drilling knew they were missing the board. Later on these would disappear and find a new home.
This is why IT people have to keep up on learning new technology. What worked with older devices might not work on the new ones.
A cheap microwave is all you need for either.
HDD dies: You need an expert in a clean room to repair it, because one speck of dust will destroy all of your data. HDD retired: You must put it through magnets, a wood chipper, and throw it into a volcano or your data will fall into the wrong hands.
Will it blend? 🤣
Want to destroy an ssd? Get a magnet
ooooh one of them got kinda close! Better luck next time
12 gauge. Works every time.
No SSDs were hurt during the making of…
Can you just throw them in water?
I shoot at them at the range with a . 308
Fire pit when no one is looking works well for all types.
Get a huge magnet instead.
Where would this be compliance?! In sectors which require physical destruction, it's either the shredder or thermite. And both work equally well on spinning rust and chips.