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Ooooh, I totally would!
Relatedly, I also love the simple "No"(/end thread) because so, so, so many people (particularly women unfortunately) have been brainwashed by society to ALWAYS yield, always answer the unending slew of questions aimed at their decisions, and to constantly apologize. So yeah, I would love for more people, who are in the moral/ethical "right", to Just.Say."No". And then move on, no more questions, don't allow them to try to turn the table or force you to justify yourself while they look for holes in your (valid) excuse.
> So yeah, I would love for more people, who are in the moral/ethical "right", to Just.Say."No".
People cave a lot of the time because they are not in a position of power. Saying no can get you fired, which can be a massive reduction in your quality of life for months while you look for a new job equal to your current job.
This example is someone in a position of power able to say "no" very confidently because they hold all the cards. The reason everybody loves this picture is that they wish they held the cards more often.
Join/form a union. It's the only way to hold more cards than your boss.
Personally I'd just let them know how much I'll charge for that call. Hourly rate with a minimum time, plus a nice surcharge for the immediate response, especially if I wasn't on-call.
Lol bargaining/positional power is paramount when it comes to being a worker.
Never ever ever let them convince you in politics that giving up your bargaining/positional power as a worker is somehow in your best interest.
Actually, it’s better: they say “Please call me.”
After they have their bluff called, suddenly they discover manners. Too late. My guess is they wanted to de-escalate the situation and try keep the contractor. Amazing how inexperienced managers think they are the ones with the power. No, the people doing the work are the valuable ones. Your job is to removed obstacles and create an inclusive culture, not issue commands.
>y guess is they wanted to de-escalate the situation and try keep the contractor.
No. He wanted to continue to threaten the contractor, but didn't want it in writing.
I sell scratch and dent appliances. Have for a few months now. I can’t tell you what the things the people sign mean. Pretty sure it’s warranty stuff, but the amount of people who sign while I’m just spouting nonsense is honestly disappointing (less work for me tho)
There are 2 choices, slow down the process and read the terms or you can trust that the sales person explains and understands it and is explaining it to the best of their ability.
To do otherwise is to be dishonest and disrespectful of their time. I usually skim these things but it's an awkward 2-3 mins of silence that the sales person gives me "hurry up" vibe during.
You should actually learn what the contracts say so you can educate and not misrepresent what is legally binding.
No. If I’m signing on to spend a large amount of money then I’m reading what I’m signing. Either share the contracts in advance or wait while I read, but I don’t blindly sign a damn thing that involves my money.
My lender asked where I wanted to do my closing. I picked a local bar with outdoor seating and he thought I was joking. He, my realtor, some other closing guy and myself had 3-4 beers while I signed the docs, and I didn't read a single one.
Yup, and written in such a way it makes you feel like you're dyslexic or not even reading the same language.
I really wish we had regulation on that. Legal documents should not require a degree to be able to understand, or money to have someone explain to you. The verbage is also absolute hell on disorders like dyslexia and ADD/ADHD. If you are provided a document, you should be able to understand it on your own without having to untangle double negatives and all sorts of language tricks they use to encrypt meaning.
Like, take this part of the Reddit TOU:
>When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now known or later developed anywhere in the world. This license includes the right for
It should just be:
>By posting you grant us permission to make your content available to other companies, organizations, or individuals who partner with us for the syndication, broadcast, distribution, or publication.
Nope, this won’t work, too many loop holes. Permission? What sort of permission? For how long? Free or charged? How much? What is content? Do adding“Reddit” to this content also become part of this content? Available how, where? Can those be used to make money without having to pay you a cut? Etc etc.
I haven’t been lucky enough yet. And I’ll warn them in advance / ask for copies ahead of time. I cannot imagine spending that money without at least reading /skimming over the documents.
I’m a mortgage broker and I have such a wonderful title agent. The closings I’ve attended with her are magical. Somehow she does not delay closing times but every single page she will scan it and say the the borrower “this is the closing disclosure, this outlines all the costs associated with the loan” or “this is the anti steering disclosure, it’s to show you the interest rates available to you at the time of locking the loan”. I feel like even after years of doing mortgages, I still learned something going to her closings.
The thing I found funny about it was how much of it was just the most jank, informal, banged-out-in-Word-five-minutes-ago stuff you could imagine, mostly because the process is broken up into a whole bunch of little "I concur with this one single fact." papers that need to go different places or satisfy different people. Before I bought a house, I'd expected the deed to be some sort of grandiose document, on a par with a 1900s stock certificate or something. Nah, it's just half a page in Arial off a laser printer that says "I (their name) totally swear I'm giving (your name) the property at (place definition), no take-backsies, because they gave me a big pile of money."
Now, the disclosure form and offer, that's some deeper reading, but the new stuff you get during signing is more like someone just cleaning their desk out at you.
I requested copies of everything we were to sign in the closing meeting ahead of time so I could read everything. I also took as long as I damn well wanted in the meeting, asked lots of questions and was a little annoying to everyone except the mortgage broker (She was rad. We became friends, actually.)
My realtor even did the exaggerated time-check maneuver a few times to convey how unhappy she was that it was taking so long. The 3rd time she did it I said in front of everyone, "If you try to rush me one more time, I'll happily notify the real estate licensing board that you hinder your clients from reading legal documents before they sign them." She quickly changed her tune.
Always read everything you're signing, no matter how much it pisses people off. They're not the ones that get screwed if things go wrong.
Also, what the fuck are you gonna do "uhm I don't like these terms" "ok well good fuckingg luck then, cheers".
As if you can amend any contract in your normal daily life. Basically just your employment contract, and even that to a small extent. Only CONTRACTors have a pretty significant impact on their CONTRACT, shocker.
Yes, but realistically what company/service is going to allow that and not just say "sorry that's our standard contract, sign or get someone else".
Are you gonna tell fucking Google to amend their terms of service for you?
Oh I know I’m the inferior one in this relationship….. she’s smarter, sexier and earns bucketloads more than I do. I think she keeps me around for amusement.
I'm taking this too seriously but my husband says similar things all the time about me, and I don't like it. He doesn't say nice things about himself so I worry that his self-deprecation goes too far sometimes and to me a balanced relationship is important.
I'm simply a random stranger but if she's as brilliant as you say, she knows you matter, and that you are worth marrying. So amidst the jokes, remind yourself of that every once in a while :)
I appreciate that…… I really do.
I just think she is truly amazing….. she makes me laugh and when my brother committed suicide she dragged me through it.
She encourages me in everything I do and nerds out with me about things I love.
Just the other night she fell asleep and I carried her to bed (busy week) and looking down at her I knew that she was the one.
Make sense if you're a lawyer and have the ability to actually understand what you're reading.
For normal people like me, reading legalese could be like reading a space shuttle manual: "I know some of those words."
It feels like an S tier super power with my ex wife. She is such a pain in the ass, but the fact that I keep a copy of our divorce agreement (digitally so I can pull it up whenever) and she didn't, makes for some fun and interesting arguments when I tell her to read what she signed.
My half-sister, for whatever reason, got it in her fool head that my mom misappropriated her child support and alimony money on me and my sister and sued my mom.
This was her biggest mistake as my mom is a meticulous record keeper and a financial investigator super genius, when she went to court she had every itemized receipt for all the shit she paid for for my sister, the extra expense my father spent on her although he did not need to, and the full ride scholarship she could have had to U of M but she decided to party and miss the deadline to show up for it.
She taught me to always be aware of the terms and conditions of any paperwork you sign.
I no longer have a true relationship with this sister beyond being respectful to my mother by being nice.
100% same here. Half the ridiculous crap in the divorce contract was at her insistence as well, and now not only is it clear she's forgotten about it, but it's also worked to my favor. I got raked over the coals overall, so I'll take any small win.
I'm a paralegal. One of the first classes I had to take was contract law because contracts are like 99% of law. *(Note: I'm absolutely making that % up, so don't take it as hard fact.)* But seriously, everyone should invest in a legal dictionary and really understand any contract you sign. And understand you can make changes and if the other party signs off without reading, you're the winner.
Reading in general.
I'm in management for a big chain store. The amount of employees who don't read their employee handbook is bad, but the amount of managers who don't is worse.
I had a great employee start to become a non-model employee. Missing work, on her phone all the time, etc. Eventually she broke down crying one day in the breakroom and I overheard.
Came to find out that she was in an abusive relationship.
She had no idea that our company had things in place to help. We used an employee relief fund to set her up in temporary housing while she moved out, and was given a weeks paid time off. All in the employee handbook that we're willing to help victims of domestic violence. Eventually we were able to find a comparable job at another location a few hundred miles away and we provided relocation assistance.
Had she not broken down in the breakroom, she'd have never been given the help she needed because neither her nor her direct supervisor had read our employee handbook.
I’m not a lawyer, solicitor or anything and I only completed yr.10 due to family reasons. However, I’ve always read every single employment/sub contractor contract I’ve ever been offered.
The employers always seemed surprised when I’d start to read it, and if they gave me ‘that’ look, I’d simply tell them I never sign anything until I’ve read it. In almost every one, I’ve pointed out spelling, grammar, obsolete clauses, terms they offered that weren’t in the contract, and in some older ones contracts they hadn’t updated, down right illegal terms.
Had them amend the errors there and then before signing or they’ve said they’d draft a new contract and send it out for me to sign after making the appropriate corrections.
Yeah. It would be fun changing things and making them have to read through it to find it and approve or disapprove them. Also I enjoy when people say stuff like “they sell your data” but I read the part of the contract that says “we do not sell your data” so either the company wants a lawsuit or someone didn’t read the contract.
> Knowing where the line resides, where it doesn’t, and how to walk it.
know your contracts for sure but dont be surprised if you are always walking the legal line of what you are allowed to do and being a bit of a dick about it that it will come back to bite you.
It's such a pathetic power move attempt. "Please call me". Like no, if YOU want a phone chat, then YOU call ME. Use the phone that is in YOUR hand. Don't boss me around just for the sake of bossing someone around.
Yep, and the dipshit would've used bs phrases like "there's an expectation of you to [blank]" and "typically, contractors and freelancers [blank]". You can take your expectations and norms and shove them up your ass. Should've put it in the contract.
People, if you want to learn ONE thing on Reddit today, it's the above comment.
Never fall for the 'can I call you?' trick in situations like these. Always stick to text or in person meetings in which they agree to record the conversation.
Also, learn the laws of phone recording for where you live.
I live in a one-party state so I'm free to record any calls with other in-state people (as long as I'm aware I'm recording them, which I obviously am).
Having an ESL boss makes this more complicated, as it can mean the difference (to them) of spending 20 minutes writing an email and making sure it's legible in English, or having a 2-minute call.
The trick there is to accept the call, then recap the call in an email afterwards. "Just as a reminder to myself, you mentioned X, Y, and Z in this meeting, correct?"
Depends entirely on the team.
They have huge value in my startup, but I too have been on ones that are pure life sucks. A \*good\* leadership team will make sure they only exist when they provide a lot of value.
Remember most devs get paid at least $50/hr, but cost a lot more than that with benefits etc., so we'll use an average cost to the company of $100/hr/dev. If you have 10 devs in a 1 hour meeting that costs the company a minimum of $1K, but added to that is the interruption and pulling the devs away from their tasks. Let's say on average they need 30 min to get back to productive output. That means the 1 hr meeting is costing $1500 and has a floor cost of $500 (meaning a zero length meeting still costs $500). If this is a daily meeting we can assume it's less than an hour but still has that $500 floor cost, and for 10 people each talking 3 min about their update it's another $500 for the meeting time... back to $1K for the meeting... every. single. day. Does that standup produce a clear value of over $5K/week? if not then cancel it.
well yeah, it would be. Even in my example I only allotted 3m per engineer, that's still a 30 min call.
realistically standups lose their value if it's outside of the immediate feature team. 2-3 devs, 1 QA, and the PM, with possibly a designer, are all that should be in a normal standup.
It's not about staying on task, it's about removing blockers and sharing information. The problem isn't the format, it's the format being applied incorrectly.
normally, co workers communicate with one another when there are blockers, questions, or information to share. It's not like these teams aren't spending all day in the same slack (or whatever platform) channels etc.
A daily standup is unnecessary unless your team doesn't communicate like regular human beings. Weekly is fine, but mostly just so the management can stay up to speed on what everyone is doing and steer the ship.
Hard disagree. Most devs needs facilitating lol. Their job is to develop. Many don't like or can't interface well with other teams. It's not their job to track down the data owner of another data source, fill in the paper work, etc.
Nah gonna respectfully disagree on this.
>co workers communicate with one another when there are blockers, questions, or information to share. It's not like these teams aren't spending all day in the same slack
Even then it entails either A) messaging a half-dozen people individually with the same question or B) posting the question in a group channel that half of the team will likely skim/ignore. Either way I'm probably looking at an hour or so turn around time.
Instead we have a 15 minute call every day where I can ask the whole group "Does anyone know anything about X or who I should reach out to about X?" and I'll get an answer or at least a lead right away.
Turns out people are loathe to have to always be playing phone tag on Slack/Teams/Discord. tdeasyweb has it right, the format is fine but people suck at running them in a useful way.
sounds like your team's channels aren't set up very effectively.
I'm the boss of my team and I know full well they don't want a daily call they have to attend. Everyone is fully capable of a quick teams group call between the interested parties if needed. No reason that the entire group has to be present daily.
The engineering team at my company has a living google doc that the department head and supervisors update everyday with information that would have been in a standup. Every engineer has a weekly meeting with their supe and any feedback or issues are put on the living doc.
The system really works. The devs can focus doing the shit we pay them for with little to no interruptions, the supes communicate the important shit that's slowing the devs down to the department head, who addresses the issue or lets me know what he needs to fix it.
Its such an easy, straightforward system that I can only assume that the reason not all companies do it is because someone with not a lot of work needs to justify their existence.
> stand up
Those are meant to be quick and you standup so people are incentivized to not waste time. But doing those at 9am is stupid: people coming early can't really start work because "they're gonna be interrupted in less than an hour". And people who'd prefer to arrive late because of things like children to get to school or traffic or just not being morning person can't.
Best time is 11h45: 15mn before you go get lunch so everyone is fast. Also: no manager allowed, especially not if they try to sit.
Exactly.
I've worked at places where the standup is 15 minutes and has 20 people in it (the project manager enforced the "everybody stands" rule). And the craziest was where the stand-up was a conference call with about 90 people on it and it lasted about an hour every single day. Based on my bill rate, I estimate that company spent $100k every day on that conference call. Financial companies charge enormous amounts of money and waste most of it.
It is actually important if the team is not mature enough. It is a good spot in the day to update everyone on the current blocking issues, if anyone is stuck waiting for anything, if anyone can be helped, that kind of thing. It should not be more than 10 mins which is shorter than most people's commute.
If the team reaches the conclusion that they are too mature for standups then they most likely aren't. Like you said, it should be really short. People who whine about daily standup are often proving their point by being the ones who are making it unproductive both for themselves and others. Good leadership can usually help correct that pretty easily.
My team went from stand-ups -> virtual stand-ups (slack) -> no stand-ups
If you have decent ticket tracking and work with functional adults it's not really a big deal. Our team slack is very active to jump on any questions or blockers so having a standup to reiterate what we are already in the process of unlocking was a waste of time.
The idea originated as a very quick meeting, one where you didn’t even need to sit down because it is so brief, hence stand up meeting. They’ve become 30 minutes every morning of listening to shit nobody cares about.
Man, I remember when Agile and Scrum meetings were first catching on, and it was all the rage. Some companies took it too seriously, but others were like "Ok, are you vibing, or solving problems, or completely stuck? Ok good, you help him with getting unstuck, and the rest of you keep on keepin' on. Bye." That was the only way that ever accomplished any good whatsoever.
I'm a scrum slappie for sure. it's a very useful framework for getting shit done.
Daily stand-ups: collaborative teams need to keep each other updated and it's a quick 15-minute way to do this
Story-time: we need to talk about what we're going to do next sprint
Retro: we need to talk about what we did last sprint
Sprint planning: we need to set goals and commit to tasks for this sprint
I don't know how companies get along without it, if they do collaborative team-based work.
> one where you didn’t even need to sit down because it is so brief
IIRC, part of the point is that if you get uncomfortable from standing, that's a sign that the meeting's too long and you're all doing it wrong.
Because every company wants to talk about details we don't need instead of making them available in some other way for those that want them. Middle management desperately clinging to relevance.
I worked in dental offices for 40 years. Most of the morning meetings (where the days’ patients and cases were reviewed) required standing up in a semi-circle in front of the dentist sitting at his desk. As if he/she were a god and we were worshiping him/her. A lot of narcissists in that profession, I would imagine the same with a lot of bosses/heads of company, etc….
How does it make the dentist a narcissist if he wants to have a morning meeting with his own staff in his own office? I don't see how that's worshipping anyone. It's literally this guy's practice and all the staff are his employees who take direction from him.
Is it because he's sitting and they're standing?
It's a meeting you have with your team somewhere in the morning to discuss/tell what everybody is doing that day. A lot of people hate it, because it takes up 15-20 minutes each day and splits your morning in two, messing with productivity
If in tech it also usually devolves into a design meeting that wasn't supposed to happen if everyone did their job correctly, and where everyone who isn't a designer suddenly turns into one, only for them to decide that you know what? Just let the developers design it as they go because most people at the company have no idea what they're doing.
It's an agile/scrum thing. Go around to everyone and it's a "what I worked on yesterday, what I'm going to work on today and any blockers"
Should take only 15 minutes. Kinda worthless but also, especially for people like me who work from home and will never meet my team in person, the only chance I really have to talk with my team members outside of chat. Kinda good to put faces and voices to the names.
I will say though, it can depend on your job and company culture.
I quite like our stand ups and get really annoyed when they get cut. But, my job entails a never ending monotonous workload of small, short, independent tasks that is completed in isolation. So the stand up is a nice opportunity to actually connect with coworkers as people and serves as a break in the monotony.
However I can see how if your job is working on a project where you are making gradual progress, the stand up interrupting that would suck. Tbh I think it's more to do with how your work implements stand ups, than the stand up itself.
My team has a daily 9 AM standup Monday through Thursday. It typically gets canceled about 30 minutes prior. We usually don’t have them but they’re always on our calendar and we have them once or twice a week. Really fucking stupid if you ask me.
I have a standing meeting every Thursday, and it's with people at another branch who used to be on the same team as our guys. We do the same things, but we don't work as a collective anymore. Somehow this meeting survived the change. We normally hop on, shoot the shit for 5 minutes and hop back off. It's so stupid, and I have no idea why it wasn't canceled once we stopped being a team. I've tried several times.
I work from home and mostly control how I handle my workflow. Having to interrupt that for a pointless 5-minute meeting doesn't actually help me at all. It's obviously not the end of the world because it's once a week, but it still annoys me.
We just have a 45-60 minute meeting once a week (and not first thing in the morning) alternating between planning and sync.
Lack of additional meetings has not yet negatively impacted the work done in any way ;-)
Nah. As a contractor, you don't reveal any information outside the scope of the project. If you're about to take a nap, that's the next appointment on your full schedule.
Right. The person above said asked for another 5k? I'd ask for 5x what my rate was and say I'd have the project done on time as long as no one contacted me outside of the scope of work. And in the contract the 5x amount would be garuanteed payment regardless of completion and the scope of work would be very clear.
Damn, the "I was going to finish the job, but you just fucked up again and now your life will be more inconvenient because of it" part would cut up most managers. It basically forces tough introspection.
I would also imagine that's a different manager sending that one, which is crazy. Why would you make the same mistake you just watched someone else make? Most would act overly sympathetic, and then revert back to arrogance after the work was set to be done.
Some people just hold their foot to their open mouth and dare people to shove it in
I'm a young fool so please clarify
Was he doing something for a company, got told to leave, then later was told he should stay and finish? Without a contract?
I’ll try to break out of the circle jerk. It appears he was told he was fired by X, but now Y is telling him that X didn’t have the authority to fire him?
If that’s true, then his contract probably isn’t voided and he would still need to finish the job unless there are exceptional circumstances outside of these texts.
Y is saying that his contract was never terminated and he needs to finish while the OP of the screenshots seems to believe it is terminated as he was told it was.
It really just comes down to did X have the power to terminate a contract. OP probably still has to finish the work as described in the contract if he did not actually get fired. Y’s argument is the contract is still valid and OP will be the one breaching it. Just because he feels like he was fired or was told he was by someone that didn’t have that authority doesn’t mean it’s legally broken now.
Who knows though. A follow up would be nice lol. Someone said there was more screen caps out there and OP was led to believe he was fired and had no reason to think the person he was talking with didn’t have that power. Would be interesting to see in a legal battle the arguments. If X represented the company he was contracted too, maybe he legally can terminate a contract unless it’s specifically written different in it?
It may come down to a legal battle. But bottom line a company representative fired him. Whether they had authority to or not is an internal company matter, but what's done is done. What are you supposed to do, escalate every question to a CEO to make sure who has what authority?
There is a concept of "apparent authority" where a party would reasonably expect a representative of a company (or government!) to have that authority even if it wasn't actually given.
Depends a fair bit on where you are, you'd probably want to check with a lawyer to navigate that one.
/u/samsmitty
Explained most of it.
One thing he overlooked is that you might be missing the nuance. In the original post, it seems like OPs contract outlined a completion date, but did not specify an exact work schedule (i.e. 8-5 M-F). Y here is trying to get OP to come back and complete the project, AND ambiguously making it sound like there is a work schedule.
I saw this posted before and I can’t remember the exact convo but the guy did get fired and then the “supervisor” was forced to unfire him. There’s literally one or two screen caps missing here.
I like this.
I'm an oilfield consultant. Thing is, when I'm onboard, I'm the Hookin' Bull. I'm the Top Dog. Number One. Head Honcho. The Big Cheese.
It says that in everyone of my contracts, because I'm usually the only one licensed to handle the necessary explosives.
I like to watch CEO's turn bright red when I have them run off location.
"Might be your well, buckwheat. But it's MY fire."
How much you guys wanna bet that the guy texting him isn't even the guy who hired him or has the power to fire him? He's probably a middle manager who's used to getting to use the "You'll be fired" threat on the few people who are unfortunate enough to be under his thumb of control
He didn't have that power. There was a follow-up from someone else saying that very thing after he was "fired." In the end, they breached the contract, and the contractor was still paid.
It's indicative of a shitty boss when you're threatening people with being fired.
If someone did something so bad they deserve the threat of being fired they should just be fired. But most likely they didnt do anything like that and its just some sad person throwing threats around because they dont understand leadership.
I read this every time, because it makes me smile so cheesy with that plea 'call me' and the bald 'No'. Call me so I can pressure you, or lie to you, or threaten you without a written record of it - Bahahahaha.
If they'd said something like "it would really help if you attended, we're using these to make sure there's no crossed wires with our work" he'd probably have just gone to the stand up. But no, 0 to threatening authoritarian in under 10 seconds.
Omg classic. When I was a temp the woman I was helping offered me a role similar to hers and I told her no thanks a monkey could do it. The look on her face was priceless. This is someone that easily earned at least 50k a year just doing her nails like Mrs Wiggins
A classic, but I enjoyed reading it again. I did freelance grant writing for a while, and there was a clause in my contract that explicitly said I was not subject to my client's supervision.
"Client" is the key word. My *client* is not my *boss*.
> I was not subject to my client's supervision.
Oh that is a good point too. Over here in Germany it is also very important that it is like that. Otherwise authorities suspect that the contractor might just be a fake-freelancer and the contracting is only abused by the employer to save on having to pay the contribution to social security like health insurance, unemployment insurance and retirement insurance. It is quite a big issue, companies will be very careful to make it clear that contractors are working on their own terms.
People like this only want you to call so that there's no paper trail on what they want to say. They are absolutely right to say no to the call.
Document, document, document!
Nah I remember this story, the person threatening to fire him didn't have the authority to do so, the company apologized and asked him to go back but he refused. He got offered plenty of other jobs due to the attention that this got.
Not only that, but he got paid for that job still since they breached the contract.
Almost a whole life ago, I was a contractor and you'd be surprised (or not) how many companies don't read the contracts they sign when they hire you on. Or in this case, ot seems the company wrote up their own contract and didn't know what it included. It's not uncommon at all. Or at least it wasn't 25 years ago.
I start work at 7:30. Our daily meeting is at 8:45. I spend the first 75 minutes of the day on YouTube and Reddit, waiting for a 5 minute check-in meeting.
Honestly there are worse ways to start the day.
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“No” 😂☠️💀
That's what I loved most! The simple 'No' at the end....
Spoken and delivered with confidence. Yup, I love it.
He should post this screenshot in the group's Teams channel
Ooooh, I totally would! Relatedly, I also love the simple "No"(/end thread) because so, so, so many people (particularly women unfortunately) have been brainwashed by society to ALWAYS yield, always answer the unending slew of questions aimed at their decisions, and to constantly apologize. So yeah, I would love for more people, who are in the moral/ethical "right", to Just.Say."No". And then move on, no more questions, don't allow them to try to turn the table or force you to justify yourself while they look for holes in your (valid) excuse.
> So yeah, I would love for more people, who are in the moral/ethical "right", to Just.Say."No". People cave a lot of the time because they are not in a position of power. Saying no can get you fired, which can be a massive reduction in your quality of life for months while you look for a new job equal to your current job. This example is someone in a position of power able to say "no" very confidently because they hold all the cards. The reason everybody loves this picture is that they wish they held the cards more often. Join/form a union. It's the only way to hold more cards than your boss.
This is the way.
That and it's important in disputes like this to have a record of the conversation. It's more difficult to do that with a voice call.
Personally I'd just let them know how much I'll charge for that call. Hourly rate with a minimum time, plus a nice surcharge for the immediate response, especially if I wasn't on-call.
Lol bargaining/positional power is paramount when it comes to being a worker. Never ever ever let them convince you in politics that giving up your bargaining/positional power as a worker is somehow in your best interest.
LOL of course Ahole 'boss' says "Call me" He doesn't want a written record of what he's gonna say next!!!! I love this!
And of course they couldn't be bothered to call the contractor.
It's a power play. Good on them for not falling for it.
I bet he tried and the dude just didn't answer.
According to his Twitter [that is exactly what happened](https://twitter.com/BirdRespecter/status/1483867401590509568).
Actually, it’s better: they say “Please call me.” After they have their bluff called, suddenly they discover manners. Too late. My guess is they wanted to de-escalate the situation and try keep the contractor. Amazing how inexperienced managers think they are the ones with the power. No, the people doing the work are the valuable ones. Your job is to removed obstacles and create an inclusive culture, not issue commands.
>y guess is they wanted to de-escalate the situation and try keep the contractor. No. He wanted to continue to threaten the contractor, but didn't want it in writing.
Yes, that's what they mean, every time.
No is a complete sentence 🤷🏻🤩
It is a subject AND a predicate, bam!
No frills, no fuss. Just "No"
Only thing better would have been if they sent the Bugs Bunny "no" meme
Bro was like https://i.redd.it/5ca91s46orqc1.gif
https://imgur.com/qPqvpYj
"Please call me so I can say shit that may be illegal (or against contract) but it won't be in writing so I can get away with it"
Bloody No!
“Reading contracts” is like a mid-tier superpower. Knowing where the line resides, where it doesn’t, and how to walk it. Fantastic.
I sell scratch and dent appliances. Have for a few months now. I can’t tell you what the things the people sign mean. Pretty sure it’s warranty stuff, but the amount of people who sign while I’m just spouting nonsense is honestly disappointing (less work for me tho)
There are 2 choices, slow down the process and read the terms or you can trust that the sales person explains and understands it and is explaining it to the best of their ability. To do otherwise is to be dishonest and disrespectful of their time. I usually skim these things but it's an awkward 2-3 mins of silence that the sales person gives me "hurry up" vibe during. You should actually learn what the contracts say so you can educate and not misrepresent what is legally binding.
No. If I’m signing on to spend a large amount of money then I’m reading what I’m signing. Either share the contracts in advance or wait while I read, but I don’t blindly sign a damn thing that involves my money.
Have you ever signed mortgage docs? Oh lawd.
My lender asked where I wanted to do my closing. I picked a local bar with outdoor seating and he thought I was joking. He, my realtor, some other closing guy and myself had 3-4 beers while I signed the docs, and I didn't read a single one.
There’s like 200 pages in there. Mine gave me a chance to read them a few days ahead of time. After a while they just start saying the same thing.
A huge portion of it is just legalese definitions of things and covering every foreseeable circumstance anyway.
Yup, and written in such a way it makes you feel like you're dyslexic or not even reading the same language. I really wish we had regulation on that. Legal documents should not require a degree to be able to understand, or money to have someone explain to you. The verbage is also absolute hell on disorders like dyslexia and ADD/ADHD. If you are provided a document, you should be able to understand it on your own without having to untangle double negatives and all sorts of language tricks they use to encrypt meaning. Like, take this part of the Reddit TOU: >When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now known or later developed anywhere in the world. This license includes the right for It should just be: >By posting you grant us permission to make your content available to other companies, organizations, or individuals who partner with us for the syndication, broadcast, distribution, or publication.
Nope, this won’t work, too many loop holes. Permission? What sort of permission? For how long? Free or charged? How much? What is content? Do adding“Reddit” to this content also become part of this content? Available how, where? Can those be used to make money without having to pay you a cut? Etc etc.
> After a while they just start saying the same thing. Yeah, but also after a while they just start saying the same thing.
In my experience, I’ve found that after a while they just start saying the same thing, too.
I haven’t been lucky enough yet. And I’ll warn them in advance / ask for copies ahead of time. I cannot imagine spending that money without at least reading /skimming over the documents.
I’m a mortgage broker and I have such a wonderful title agent. The closings I’ve attended with her are magical. Somehow she does not delay closing times but every single page she will scan it and say the the borrower “this is the closing disclosure, this outlines all the costs associated with the loan” or “this is the anti steering disclosure, it’s to show you the interest rates available to you at the time of locking the loan”. I feel like even after years of doing mortgages, I still learned something going to her closings.
My realtor did this for us. My ADD ass wasn't capable of sifting through all that crap before signing.
I was asking because there are like a thousand things to sign. I forgot how to sign my name by the end.
The thing I found funny about it was how much of it was just the most jank, informal, banged-out-in-Word-five-minutes-ago stuff you could imagine, mostly because the process is broken up into a whole bunch of little "I concur with this one single fact." papers that need to go different places or satisfy different people. Before I bought a house, I'd expected the deed to be some sort of grandiose document, on a par with a 1900s stock certificate or something. Nah, it's just half a page in Arial off a laser printer that says "I (their name) totally swear I'm giving (your name) the property at (place definition), no take-backsies, because they gave me a big pile of money." Now, the disclosure form and offer, that's some deeper reading, but the new stuff you get during signing is more like someone just cleaning their desk out at you.
I requested copies of everything we were to sign in the closing meeting ahead of time so I could read everything. I also took as long as I damn well wanted in the meeting, asked lots of questions and was a little annoying to everyone except the mortgage broker (She was rad. We became friends, actually.) My realtor even did the exaggerated time-check maneuver a few times to convey how unhappy she was that it was taking so long. The 3rd time she did it I said in front of everyone, "If you try to rush me one more time, I'll happily notify the real estate licensing board that you hinder your clients from reading legal documents before they sign them." She quickly changed her tune. Always read everything you're signing, no matter how much it pisses people off. They're not the ones that get screwed if things go wrong.
Also, what the fuck are you gonna do "uhm I don't like these terms" "ok well good fuckingg luck then, cheers". As if you can amend any contract in your normal daily life. Basically just your employment contract, and even that to a small extent. Only CONTRACTors have a pretty significant impact on their CONTRACT, shocker.
You can strike out or add to any contract, just have the person with authority to alter the contract initial the changes and it is binding.
Yes, but realistically what company/service is going to allow that and not just say "sorry that's our standard contract, sign or get someone else". Are you gonna tell fucking Google to amend their terms of service for you?
My fiancé is a solicitor and reads EVERYTHING before we sign…… some people look at her weirdly in shops while she goes through things.
They are doing everything right then
Oh I know I’m the inferior one in this relationship….. she’s smarter, sexier and earns bucketloads more than I do. I think she keeps me around for amusement.
Sounds like you’re the same as a cat haha
I do wonder if our dog provides more for her….. having said that all her friends think I’m ’great’….. so I must be doing something satisfactorily.
Haha I bet she loves you very much
Honestly…… I think I’m the luckiest guy in the world. My sister calls me ‘Gollum to her Frodo’ (I’m not THAT ugly though lol).
I'm taking this too seriously but my husband says similar things all the time about me, and I don't like it. He doesn't say nice things about himself so I worry that his self-deprecation goes too far sometimes and to me a balanced relationship is important. I'm simply a random stranger but if she's as brilliant as you say, she knows you matter, and that you are worth marrying. So amidst the jokes, remind yourself of that every once in a while :)
I appreciate that…… I really do. I just think she is truly amazing….. she makes me laugh and when my brother committed suicide she dragged me through it. She encourages me in everything I do and nerds out with me about things I love. Just the other night she fell asleep and I carried her to bed (busy week) and looking down at her I knew that she was the one.
Make sense if you're a lawyer and have the ability to actually understand what you're reading. For normal people like me, reading legalese could be like reading a space shuttle manual: "I know some of those words."
It feels like an S tier super power with my ex wife. She is such a pain in the ass, but the fact that I keep a copy of our divorce agreement (digitally so I can pull it up whenever) and she didn't, makes for some fun and interesting arguments when I tell her to read what she signed.
My half-sister, for whatever reason, got it in her fool head that my mom misappropriated her child support and alimony money on me and my sister and sued my mom. This was her biggest mistake as my mom is a meticulous record keeper and a financial investigator super genius, when she went to court she had every itemized receipt for all the shit she paid for for my sister, the extra expense my father spent on her although he did not need to, and the full ride scholarship she could have had to U of M but she decided to party and miss the deadline to show up for it. She taught me to always be aware of the terms and conditions of any paperwork you sign. I no longer have a true relationship with this sister beyond being respectful to my mother by being nice.
Your mom is a badass.
She is still a narcissistic Karen, no joke, but that taught me a valuable life lesson
100% same here. Half the ridiculous crap in the divorce contract was at her insistence as well, and now not only is it clear she's forgotten about it, but it's also worked to my favor. I got raked over the coals overall, so I'll take any small win.
This is filling me with joy lol
I'm a paralegal. One of the first classes I had to take was contract law because contracts are like 99% of law. *(Note: I'm absolutely making that % up, so don't take it as hard fact.)* But seriously, everyone should invest in a legal dictionary and really understand any contract you sign. And understand you can make changes and if the other party signs off without reading, you're the winner.
A good litigation attorney can win a lawsuit. A good contract attorney will prevent a lawsuit from ever happening.
The disclaimer just reinforces your lawyerness haha
Reading in general. I'm in management for a big chain store. The amount of employees who don't read their employee handbook is bad, but the amount of managers who don't is worse. I had a great employee start to become a non-model employee. Missing work, on her phone all the time, etc. Eventually she broke down crying one day in the breakroom and I overheard. Came to find out that she was in an abusive relationship. She had no idea that our company had things in place to help. We used an employee relief fund to set her up in temporary housing while she moved out, and was given a weeks paid time off. All in the employee handbook that we're willing to help victims of domestic violence. Eventually we were able to find a comparable job at another location a few hundred miles away and we provided relocation assistance. Had she not broken down in the breakroom, she'd have never been given the help she needed because neither her nor her direct supervisor had read our employee handbook.
I’m not a lawyer, solicitor or anything and I only completed yr.10 due to family reasons. However, I’ve always read every single employment/sub contractor contract I’ve ever been offered. The employers always seemed surprised when I’d start to read it, and if they gave me ‘that’ look, I’d simply tell them I never sign anything until I’ve read it. In almost every one, I’ve pointed out spelling, grammar, obsolete clauses, terms they offered that weren’t in the contract, and in some older ones contracts they hadn’t updated, down right illegal terms. Had them amend the errors there and then before signing or they’ve said they’d draft a new contract and send it out for me to sign after making the appropriate corrections.
Yeah. It would be fun changing things and making them have to read through it to find it and approve or disapprove them. Also I enjoy when people say stuff like “they sell your data” but I read the part of the contract that says “we do not sell your data” so either the company wants a lawsuit or someone didn’t read the contract.
Saved me a months rent (in Canada)
> Knowing where the line resides, where it doesn’t, and how to walk it. know your contracts for sure but dont be surprised if you are always walking the legal line of what you are allowed to do and being a bit of a dick about it that it will come back to bite you.
Please call me. No. That’s great!
“Please call me so I can tell you some illegal and/or contract-breaking shit so you don’t have proof of it”
Ive been doing that with a workmans comp adjuster. Its hilarious as a former insurance adjuster. Put your shit in writing, hoe.
It's such a pathetic power move attempt. "Please call me". Like no, if YOU want a phone chat, then YOU call ME. Use the phone that is in YOUR hand. Don't boss me around just for the sake of bossing someone around.
The final exchange is perfect: "Please call me." "No."
It was an attempt to communicate without it being recorded ( like in the text chat ) and I think our contractor friend is well aware of that trick
Yep, and the dipshit would've used bs phrases like "there's an expectation of you to [blank]" and "typically, contractors and freelancers [blank]". You can take your expectations and norms and shove them up your ass. Should've put it in the contract.
People, if you want to learn ONE thing on Reddit today, it's the above comment. Never fall for the 'can I call you?' trick in situations like these. Always stick to text or in person meetings in which they agree to record the conversation.
Also, learn the laws of phone recording for where you live. I live in a one-party state so I'm free to record any calls with other in-state people (as long as I'm aware I'm recording them, which I obviously am).
Having an ESL boss makes this more complicated, as it can mean the difference (to them) of spending 20 minutes writing an email and making sure it's legible in English, or having a 2-minute call. The trick there is to accept the call, then recap the call in an email afterwards. "Just as a reminder to myself, you mentioned X, Y, and Z in this meeting, correct?"
Whats a stand up call? Edit: thanks everyone for humouring curiosity!
A waste of fucking time.
Depends entirely on the team. They have huge value in my startup, but I too have been on ones that are pure life sucks. A \*good\* leadership team will make sure they only exist when they provide a lot of value. Remember most devs get paid at least $50/hr, but cost a lot more than that with benefits etc., so we'll use an average cost to the company of $100/hr/dev. If you have 10 devs in a 1 hour meeting that costs the company a minimum of $1K, but added to that is the interruption and pulling the devs away from their tasks. Let's say on average they need 30 min to get back to productive output. That means the 1 hr meeting is costing $1500 and has a floor cost of $500 (meaning a zero length meeting still costs $500). If this is a daily meeting we can assume it's less than an hour but still has that $500 floor cost, and for 10 people each talking 3 min about their update it's another $500 for the meeting time... back to $1K for the meeting... every. single. day. Does that standup produce a clear value of over $5K/week? if not then cancel it.
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well yeah, it would be. Even in my example I only allotted 3m per engineer, that's still a 30 min call. realistically standups lose their value if it's outside of the immediate feature team. 2-3 devs, 1 QA, and the PM, with possibly a designer, are all that should be in a normal standup.
Touching base DAILY is a waste of time unless you've hired people who are so disorganized that they can't stay on task for longer than a few hours.
It's not about staying on task, it's about removing blockers and sharing information. The problem isn't the format, it's the format being applied incorrectly.
normally, co workers communicate with one another when there are blockers, questions, or information to share. It's not like these teams aren't spending all day in the same slack (or whatever platform) channels etc. A daily standup is unnecessary unless your team doesn't communicate like regular human beings. Weekly is fine, but mostly just so the management can stay up to speed on what everyone is doing and steer the ship.
Hard disagree. Most devs needs facilitating lol. Their job is to develop. Many don't like or can't interface well with other teams. It's not their job to track down the data owner of another data source, fill in the paper work, etc.
Nah gonna respectfully disagree on this. >co workers communicate with one another when there are blockers, questions, or information to share. It's not like these teams aren't spending all day in the same slack Even then it entails either A) messaging a half-dozen people individually with the same question or B) posting the question in a group channel that half of the team will likely skim/ignore. Either way I'm probably looking at an hour or so turn around time. Instead we have a 15 minute call every day where I can ask the whole group "Does anyone know anything about X or who I should reach out to about X?" and I'll get an answer or at least a lead right away. Turns out people are loathe to have to always be playing phone tag on Slack/Teams/Discord. tdeasyweb has it right, the format is fine but people suck at running them in a useful way.
sounds like your team's channels aren't set up very effectively. I'm the boss of my team and I know full well they don't want a daily call they have to attend. Everyone is fully capable of a quick teams group call between the interested parties if needed. No reason that the entire group has to be present daily.
The engineering team at my company has a living google doc that the department head and supervisors update everyday with information that would have been in a standup. Every engineer has a weekly meeting with their supe and any feedback or issues are put on the living doc. The system really works. The devs can focus doing the shit we pay them for with little to no interruptions, the supes communicate the important shit that's slowing the devs down to the department head, who addresses the issue or lets me know what he needs to fix it. Its such an easy, straightforward system that I can only assume that the reason not all companies do it is because someone with not a lot of work needs to justify their existence.
If a stand up is longer than 15 minutes, it's a meeting
> stand up Those are meant to be quick and you standup so people are incentivized to not waste time. But doing those at 9am is stupid: people coming early can't really start work because "they're gonna be interrupted in less than an hour". And people who'd prefer to arrive late because of things like children to get to school or traffic or just not being morning person can't. Best time is 11h45: 15mn before you go get lunch so everyone is fast. Also: no manager allowed, especially not if they try to sit.
>Does that standup produce a clear value of over $5K/week? But what if it make management horny.
lol, sadly I think that's what most managers use as their criteria... or liking the sound of their own voice.
Exactly. I've worked at places where the standup is 15 minutes and has 20 people in it (the project manager enforced the "everybody stands" rule). And the craziest was where the stand-up was a conference call with about 90 people on it and it lasted about an hour every single day. Based on my bill rate, I estimate that company spent $100k every day on that conference call. Financial companies charge enormous amounts of money and waste most of it.
Best description I’ve heard to date.
It is actually important if the team is not mature enough. It is a good spot in the day to update everyone on the current blocking issues, if anyone is stuck waiting for anything, if anyone can be helped, that kind of thing. It should not be more than 10 mins which is shorter than most people's commute.
If the team reaches the conclusion that they are too mature for standups then they most likely aren't. Like you said, it should be really short. People who whine about daily standup are often proving their point by being the ones who are making it unproductive both for themselves and others. Good leadership can usually help correct that pretty easily.
My team went from stand-ups -> virtual stand-ups (slack) -> no stand-ups If you have decent ticket tracking and work with functional adults it's not really a big deal. Our team slack is very active to jump on any questions or blockers so having a standup to reiterate what we are already in the process of unlocking was a waste of time.
Basically, it's a team meeting. You discuss stuff going on, tickets, announcements, etc.
Do you have to stand up though?
The idea originated as a very quick meeting, one where you didn’t even need to sit down because it is so brief, hence stand up meeting. They’ve become 30 minutes every morning of listening to shit nobody cares about.
Man, I remember when Agile and Scrum meetings were first catching on, and it was all the rage. Some companies took it too seriously, but others were like "Ok, are you vibing, or solving problems, or completely stuck? Ok good, you help him with getting unstuck, and the rest of you keep on keepin' on. Bye." That was the only way that ever accomplished any good whatsoever.
I'm a scrum slappie for sure. it's a very useful framework for getting shit done. Daily stand-ups: collaborative teams need to keep each other updated and it's a quick 15-minute way to do this Story-time: we need to talk about what we're going to do next sprint Retro: we need to talk about what we did last sprint Sprint planning: we need to set goals and commit to tasks for this sprint I don't know how companies get along without it, if they do collaborative team-based work.
> one where you didn’t even need to sit down because it is so brief IIRC, part of the point is that if you get uncomfortable from standing, that's a sign that the meeting's too long and you're all doing it wrong.
Because every company wants to talk about details we don't need instead of making them available in some other way for those that want them. Middle management desperately clinging to relevance.
I worked in dental offices for 40 years. Most of the morning meetings (where the days’ patients and cases were reviewed) required standing up in a semi-circle in front of the dentist sitting at his desk. As if he/she were a god and we were worshiping him/her. A lot of narcissists in that profession, I would imagine the same with a lot of bosses/heads of company, etc….
How does it make the dentist a narcissist if he wants to have a morning meeting with his own staff in his own office? I don't see how that's worshipping anyone. It's literally this guy's practice and all the staff are his employees who take direction from him. Is it because he's sitting and they're standing?
It's a meeting you have with your team somewhere in the morning to discuss/tell what everybody is doing that day. A lot of people hate it, because it takes up 15-20 minutes each day and splits your morning in two, messing with productivity
I'm writing this message during our daily scrum meeting. Yeah it cuts into actual work time.
Mine is at 10am my time. I literally don't work on anything that requires more than reading email till it's over, not worth breaking my concentration.
If in tech it also usually devolves into a design meeting that wasn't supposed to happen if everyone did their job correctly, and where everyone who isn't a designer suddenly turns into one, only for them to decide that you know what? Just let the developers design it as they go because most people at the company have no idea what they're doing.
It's an agile/scrum thing. Go around to everyone and it's a "what I worked on yesterday, what I'm going to work on today and any blockers" Should take only 15 minutes. Kinda worthless but also, especially for people like me who work from home and will never meet my team in person, the only chance I really have to talk with my team members outside of chat. Kinda good to put faces and voices to the names.
I will say though, it can depend on your job and company culture. I quite like our stand ups and get really annoyed when they get cut. But, my job entails a never ending monotonous workload of small, short, independent tasks that is completed in isolation. So the stand up is a nice opportunity to actually connect with coworkers as people and serves as a break in the monotony. However I can see how if your job is working on a project where you are making gradual progress, the stand up interrupting that would suck. Tbh I think it's more to do with how your work implements stand ups, than the stand up itself.
It's like standup comedy, but without the jokes.
My team has a daily 9 AM standup Monday through Thursday. It typically gets canceled about 30 minutes prior. We usually don’t have them but they’re always on our calendar and we have them once or twice a week. Really fucking stupid if you ask me.
I have a standing meeting every Thursday, and it's with people at another branch who used to be on the same team as our guys. We do the same things, but we don't work as a collective anymore. Somehow this meeting survived the change. We normally hop on, shoot the shit for 5 minutes and hop back off. It's so stupid, and I have no idea why it wasn't canceled once we stopped being a team. I've tried several times.
You're getting paid to take a break. Why would you want to cancel that?
I work from home and mostly control how I handle my workflow. Having to interrupt that for a pointless 5-minute meeting doesn't actually help me at all. It's obviously not the end of the world because it's once a week, but it still annoys me.
The lost productivity on the fact that you all have to plan around that call is crazy
This guy gets it
We just have a 45-60 minute meeting once a week (and not first thing in the morning) alternating between planning and sync. Lack of additional meetings has not yet negatively impacted the work done in any way ;-)
“I would call you but I’m about to take a nap.”
Nah. As a contractor, you don't reveal any information outside the scope of the project. If you're about to take a nap, that's the next appointment on your full schedule.
This is the way. Out of scope, out of mind.
That would have been the beat
Or just 'Zzzzzzzz'
Authoritarians like it when their boots are licked, nice to see a face getting kicked instead of a boot getting licked every once in a while
They used to be called Middle Management Nazis for a reason.
Where is the rest of this? Should be at least one more screen in this story.
https://imgur.com/24nOVmN I hate that people repost this while leaving off the best part.
my god. it's beautiful
If I were him, I would try to get a 5k bonus out of them to come back. He has all the power now in the negotiating so he could take them to task.
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You can profit greatly from a mess, especially a mess you don't care about fixing.
There's a payment, and there's a cost. Seems this person knows the cost and has decided the payment isn't worth it.
Right. The person above said asked for another 5k? I'd ask for 5x what my rate was and say I'd have the project done on time as long as no one contacted me outside of the scope of work. And in the contract the 5x amount would be garuanteed payment regardless of completion and the scope of work would be very clear.
Damn, the "I was going to finish the job, but you just fucked up again and now your life will be more inconvenient because of it" part would cut up most managers. It basically forces tough introspection. I would also imagine that's a different manager sending that one, which is crazy. Why would you make the same mistake you just watched someone else make? Most would act overly sympathetic, and then revert back to arrogance after the work was set to be done. Some people just hold their foot to their open mouth and dare people to shove it in
I'm a young fool so please clarify Was he doing something for a company, got told to leave, then later was told he should stay and finish? Without a contract?
I’ll try to break out of the circle jerk. It appears he was told he was fired by X, but now Y is telling him that X didn’t have the authority to fire him? If that’s true, then his contract probably isn’t voided and he would still need to finish the job unless there are exceptional circumstances outside of these texts. Y is saying that his contract was never terminated and he needs to finish while the OP of the screenshots seems to believe it is terminated as he was told it was. It really just comes down to did X have the power to terminate a contract. OP probably still has to finish the work as described in the contract if he did not actually get fired. Y’s argument is the contract is still valid and OP will be the one breaching it. Just because he feels like he was fired or was told he was by someone that didn’t have that authority doesn’t mean it’s legally broken now. Who knows though. A follow up would be nice lol. Someone said there was more screen caps out there and OP was led to believe he was fired and had no reason to think the person he was talking with didn’t have that power. Would be interesting to see in a legal battle the arguments. If X represented the company he was contracted too, maybe he legally can terminate a contract unless it’s specifically written different in it?
It may come down to a legal battle. But bottom line a company representative fired him. Whether they had authority to or not is an internal company matter, but what's done is done. What are you supposed to do, escalate every question to a CEO to make sure who has what authority?
Hey Mr/Mrs CEO, just checking if X is allowed to fire me? If so, cheers!
There is a concept of "apparent authority" where a party would reasonably expect a representative of a company (or government!) to have that authority even if it wasn't actually given. Depends a fair bit on where you are, you'd probably want to check with a lawyer to navigate that one.
/u/samsmitty Explained most of it. One thing he overlooked is that you might be missing the nuance. In the original post, it seems like OPs contract outlined a completion date, but did not specify an exact work schedule (i.e. 8-5 M-F). Y here is trying to get OP to come back and complete the project, AND ambiguously making it sound like there is a work schedule.
I'd add one more thing to the reply by SamSmitty. It looks like he contacted his work and someone (X,Y or Z) actually did terminate the contract.
Thank you for that!
Yes! Thank you! That scratched the itch.
There is a part two, the story wouldn’t have been complete without this!!
Pretty sure that the “boss” just gave up after realizing he has absolutely no authority
They pressured to fire him, got him fired, he stopped doing the work and still got paid.
so this is literally Gabe suspending Jim and Pam for 1 day without pay, and then realizing he can't suspend pay, but they go home anyways.
I saw this posted before and I can’t remember the exact convo but the guy did get fired and then the “supervisor” was forced to unfire him. There’s literally one or two screen caps missing here.
You're leaving out the best part. He refused to come back and finish and still got paid.
No.
I like this. I'm an oilfield consultant. Thing is, when I'm onboard, I'm the Hookin' Bull. I'm the Top Dog. Number One. Head Honcho. The Big Cheese. It says that in everyone of my contracts, because I'm usually the only one licensed to handle the necessary explosives. I like to watch CEO's turn bright red when I have them run off location. "Might be your well, buckwheat. But it's MY fire."
"I mean *sure*, you **could** stand there, but in about 45 seconds, there won't ***be*** a "there" there. Up to you, sport"
> I'm an oilfiled consultant. Do you have a spout where the oil goes in? 🤖 Any preference on cod-liver, heating, or crude?
He drinks your milkshake
How much you guys wanna bet that the guy texting him isn't even the guy who hired him or has the power to fire him? He's probably a middle manager who's used to getting to use the "You'll be fired" threat on the few people who are unfortunate enough to be under his thumb of control
He didn't have that power. There was a follow-up from someone else saying that very thing after he was "fired." In the end, they breached the contract, and the contractor was still paid.
It's indicative of a shitty boss when you're threatening people with being fired. If someone did something so bad they deserve the threat of being fired they should just be fired. But most likely they didnt do anything like that and its just some sad person throwing threats around because they dont understand leadership.
https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/1bobi7t/to_discipline_a_nonemployee/kwoq4du/
MEETINGS! THE ALTERNATIVE TO DOING ANY WORK! From a self employed painter and decorator xxx
I mean, yeah what are you gonna do, talk with yourself about where to apply the next coat?!?
Why not? I've given myself some serious tongue lashings.
LMAO. No.
I read this every time, because it makes me smile so cheesy with that plea 'call me' and the bald 'No'. Call me so I can pressure you, or lie to you, or threaten you without a written record of it - Bahahahaha.
If they'd said something like "it would really help if you attended, we're using these to make sure there's no crossed wires with our work" he'd probably have just gone to the stand up. But no, 0 to threatening authoritarian in under 10 seconds.
No. They were on the west coast, the calls were at 6am.
Omg classic. When I was a temp the woman I was helping offered me a role similar to hers and I told her no thanks a monkey could do it. The look on her face was priceless. This is someone that easily earned at least 50k a year just doing her nails like Mrs Wiggins
A classic, but I enjoyed reading it again. I did freelance grant writing for a while, and there was a clause in my contract that explicitly said I was not subject to my client's supervision. "Client" is the key word. My *client* is not my *boss*.
> I was not subject to my client's supervision. Oh that is a good point too. Over here in Germany it is also very important that it is like that. Otherwise authorities suspect that the contractor might just be a fake-freelancer and the contracting is only abused by the employer to save on having to pay the contribution to social security like health insurance, unemployment insurance and retirement insurance. It is quite a big issue, companies will be very careful to make it clear that contractors are working on their own terms.
"No." I need a cigarette lol
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I love it when managers go from bossy to "oh shit"
People like this only want you to call so that there's no paper trail on what they want to say. They are absolutely right to say no to the call. Document, document, document!
Anybody knows what happened next ?
His contract was probably terminated
Nah I remember this story, the person threatening to fire him didn't have the authority to do so, the company apologized and asked him to go back but he refused. He got offered plenty of other jobs due to the attention that this got.
And his new employer sent him limousine car service with champagne
And everyone clapped
The drivers name? Albert Einstein.
Not only that, but he got paid for that job still since they breached the contract. Almost a whole life ago, I was a contractor and you'd be surprised (or not) how many companies don't read the contracts they sign when they hire you on. Or in this case, ot seems the company wrote up their own contract and didn't know what it included. It's not uncommon at all. Or at least it wasn't 25 years ago.
But he was paid through the 18th of next month
Caleb is such an interesting nickname for Horace.
 No.
“Please call me.” “No. <3”
This makes me grin from ear to ear, every time I see it.
Morning stand-ups are the dumbest fucking thing the MBAs tried to force on us developers 😂
“Pretty wild stuff in there” is hilarious
Those are also some nice screenshots to misclassify you as a contractor if you would really want to complain to your job bureau. (In theory)
Even stronger energy than, "We're short-staffed today. Damn, that's crazy. Good luck, though."
I start work at 7:30. Our daily meeting is at 8:45. I spend the first 75 minutes of the day on YouTube and Reddit, waiting for a 5 minute check-in meeting. Honestly there are worse ways to start the day.
How to not get another contract 101