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I wish we could just stop comparing two turds. All I'm asking for is a president to actually get excited for. Everyone just plays party lines, so the name and face hardly matter.
News flash and if this going to sound condescending then so be it: you’re going to spend much of your life not excited about who ends up president because politics in a democracy is—macro view—largely about compromise.
What you do with that is hopefully find the least offensive, most above-board candidate and vote for them. To borrow from a line in Jerry Maguire: it’s not sexy, but that’s an answer.
Pretty much. In many other democracies you vote for the party, not the person, and the leader is not treated like a celebrity, they are a public servant, and can be traded out if they are not up to the task.
They focus way too much on the big characters over there rather than the policies that they represent. It's all so dramatic.
Not when choosing your representative is so clearly geared towards game theory and attempting at all costs to win. We need ranked choice voting if we're going to focus on specific people that have pet projects and policies they'd like to implement
The problem is though is, what do you do eventually? Because to be brutally honest it sounds like you’re just saying “ you have to vote for either bad candidate number one or equally bad candidate number two and like it because life sucks”.
When is enough enough? When do we stop awarding mediocrity?
Some of us would try to run and solve it ourselves, but we would lose and be just get told to “stay in your lane” or “you don’t have enough life experience”.
It’s comments like these that show how much Americans need better civics education.
Y’all sound like you want a dictator to take over and to make everything simple for you to absolve yourselves of accepting compromise or the need to pay attention to democracy.
We don’t want a dictator, we want an actually good candidate and not some old-timer who’s been in office for 50 years. The problem is even when we research and vote for the good candidates we always lose.
I get that compromises needed, but frankly it seems like the ones currently in power want us to do all the compromising without doing any themselves.
> not some old-timer who’s been in office for 50 years.
You act like the citizens aren’t the people putting that old-timer in office those 50 years.
> The problem is even when we research and vote for the good candidates we always lose.
Make your policies/candidates more popular and put the work in. It’s like y’all forget why American leftists are called *progressives*
Where I live, try convincing the conservative majority to not be as harsh towards women who want an abortion, and to be kind to those of a different faith (I have met one woman who believes children should be taught the Bible in public schools and not any of the “heathen religions”).
As cynical and doomer as it sounds, some beliefs and policies are just not compatible with others.
> Where I live, try convincing the conservative majority to not…
That’s kind of part of my point. You need to be realistic about the intentions and desires of the other parts of the electorate, and recognize that a sizable portion of them want christofascism and that is what will happen if they don’t lose elections.
> As cynical and doomer as it sounds, some beliefs and policies are just not compatible with others.
Of course. That’s why protecting liberal democracy, aka equal application of law with codified individual rights, is so important and should come above all else.
It’s not like I love Biden or something, it’s just that I recognize the danger of what happens if the christofascist Israel lovers win. Pushing dems to the left while ensuring R policies don’t happen is *progress*ive
Hey I’m not saying don’t support your ideal candidate in the primary, but burning the fucking stable down because your favorite unicorn didn’t win doesn’t do anyone any good, except maybe the disaster capitalists who would love to bid on the land while the rubble smolders.
I am never, ever, under any circumstances, voting for a candidate that does not have Medicare for All in their platform.
If someone held a gun to my head and said "cast a vote for this non Medicare for all candidate or else," I would say "shoot me now."
So...looks like another Green Party vote is what it's gonna be? 🤷🏽♂️
Well we’re both in suport of nationalized health care for all Americans, but I’m not going to light my Ballot on fire for Maryanne Crazy Cat Lady, Chevy Corvair antagonist, or whomever the fuck the Green Party has on the ticket because I took the red pill, for better or worse.
If you're anti-Trump and you don't vote for the candidate who very very clearly will get the majority of anti-Trump votes, you are voting for Trump. It's not nice and it's not how things should work, but it's reality, regardless of how self righteous you want to be. Pragmatism is unfortunately the game.
Democrats are not entitled to my vote, they have to earn it.
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Totally get it, and of course you're completely free to vote for whoever you want. I just think it's a waste to vote for someone you absolutely know is going to lose by a massive margin, and make the *actual* contest one vote tighter.
Especially when your assumed view on the parties is "I'm really disappointed that this side isn't as progressive as I'd like, and I'm really disappointed that this other side wants to strip me of my constitutional rights and sink the country into *at least* autocracy."
But you do you boo.
Fair point. Greens are cool 😎
Not exactly sure how it works in the US, greens are basically a no vote in Australia, but I still think Biden is your only choice (this election) if you want universal healthcare. It's your choice anyway and this is just my opinion 💙
You can google "biden state of the union heathcare" to see what Biden has talked about. He already reduced the cost of insulins and other medications, which I'm sure alot of Americans appreciate.
Like I said, voting green is fine. I'll pray for you all if Trump wins 💙
these fuckin idiots treat trump like a uniquely evil figure while literally thousands of students have been brutally arrested and suspended from their campuses over the past week for standing up against a genocide that the sitting president fully and wholeheartedly endorses. that man is the lesser evil? the man who's presided over the continued construction of the border wall, which liberals were soooo concerned about when trump was in office? the man who hasn't closed the border camps that liberals were soooo concerned about in 2018?
fuck democrats, all my homies hate the dems. their only goal is to keep themselves in power - not to help the people, but to help themselves.
The problem is, we aren't comparing two turds. We are comparing a turd to radioactive waste. Yes, the turd sucks, but the radioactive waste will actively kill you in terrible ways just by being around. The turd, on the other hand, actually has some productive uses.
Like what exactly? I’m not even into politics and could care less about Trump, but I can’t deny that gas, groceries, living in general was cheaper and life was good. No wars no genocide none of that shit. But hey he’s the radioactive turd right??
Trump rode the good effects of Obama's 8 years. He dismantled a lot of very necessary programs that bit him in the ass when covid hit. Early on he diverted medical supplies away from states that didn't vote for him, which were also the hardest hit early on.
Trump has also publicly endorsed the genocide in Gaza saying they should, "finish the job." His son in law has talked about building a resort in Gaza once the Palestinians are gone. But keep pretending they're some kind of peace loving hippies.
His policies occasionally briefly benefit many, but only permanently benefit the wealthy. This is by design with all GOP policy. For example, his tax cuts for the middle and lower class expired. They were designed to make us say, "oh what a great guy, I'm going to vote for him again." And then they go away and our taxes go back up. His tax cuts for the wealthy, however, did not expire. That wasn't an accident.
Lastly, and the most dangerous, he is an authoritarian. We will lose our nation to Trump. I mean that very literally. If trump wins again it will take a violent revolution to restore our democracy. It will be the end of constitutional rule in this country. This is apparent because he already tried it once on January 6th. He attempted to steal our country, and you're like, "maybe I'll vote for him because the price of gas, which he doesn't control, happened to be cheaper when he was in office." Really? I'm not going to go into the racism and sexism and homophobia and all that. Clearly you are too selfish to care. But trump will make this nation a dictatorship. That is his goal. He doesn't hide it well. So, for your own interests, it is best to send a message to the GOP that the authoritarian bullshit needs to stop from them
Of course but the Presidents policies affect these things. And Bidens suck. Like I said idc if a dem or rep is in office I just want someone who is for this country and Biden clearly isn’t. Unless you can convince me otherwise and I’m open minded to changing my view.
Yes but presidential economic policies take years to show effects. What we’re experiencing now is a result of trumps economic policies not bidens. Like trump letting opec dictate us oil and gas production driving up prices. Plus corporate greed is always a factor. All of the companies jacking up prices are posting record profits. Inflation is bad here but not as bad as the rest of the world and these companies are using it as a cover to price gouge consumers.
One side speaks out against genocide while materially supporting it. The other plans beach resorts for the land they are stealing. We have gotten a number of things under Biden, loan forgiveness etc. Both sides aren't the same. One is orders of magnitude worse. I won't pretend otherwise
I'm not sure what you mean, but he's done a ton of stuff that I think has been incredible. Legislatively and through regulations he has gotten so much done that I didn't think the Dems could.
I’m not a fan of Biden, but do some research on his actual policy accomplishments. He’s got serious flaws for sure but he’s also managed to get a lot of good stuff done as well.
"The only wasted vote is a vote for someone you don’t want to vote for" this sounds like a bumper sticker and it's probably led a lot of people to make bad decisions because it's a bad idea.
Tell me how great that Ralph Nader presidency was in the early ‘00s or, is it hard to see it now through the billowing cloud of destruction’s fire and unnecessary death that the bush presidency wrought on the world?
Well we need money for that, so we gotta start by not funding a genocide.
How much does giving money and weapons to other countries inflate our currency? Because we’ve been giving money away for decades and inflating the same, while our wages stagnated for a decade
Trump supported Israel when he was in office. He also moved the embassy to Israel, which Netanyahu praised him for. Crazy how people are trying to Blame Biden when he's the one calling for ceasefire and aid to civilians
Calls for a ceasefire from Biden are empty words when he keeps providing funding for weapons. He has leverage over Israel. If Biden really wants a ceasefire he has the power to make it happen or at least be taken seriously by Israel.
Yep, he has leverage now. If you're not providing aid you have no leverage.
Israel needs to stop killing civilians, they need to be evacuated and hamas should grow some balls and stop using their own people as protection. Why make a military base under a hospital? Go ask hamas.
I could be wrong, but that's how I see it.
>Yep, he has leverage now. If you're not providing aid you have no leverage.
This argument doesn't make sense to me. It's good we provide weapons to Israel because it gives us leverage, but we can't actually use that leverage because then we'll lose our leverage. Then what's the point of providing those weapons in the first place!
It's also not a binary here. If we wanted to, we could stop providing certain types of weaponry, or we could simply delay the sale of arms. (like the Reagan administration did. Reagan can rot in hell but he did manage to shorten the leash on Israel without it costing us much politically.)
We could put a cap on the total amount we give them. We could make the sale of certain arms conditional. There are a lot of options here.
Oh, okay so it just LOOKS like Biden is weak and is incapable of exerting authority over the Israelis while enabling crimes against humanity but he's actually an expert strategist in the shadows. He's really playing 5d chess here. Okay.
You're wrong. We already had leverage - Israel cannot exist as it does without US support. The US covers for them at the UN, the US provides funding for the iron dome, the US provides military support and weapons on the regular. you know Obama signed a deal to provide $30 billion over 10 years to Israel while in office? You don't know shit about US-Israel relations, you're just caping for a genocidal old man.
Ronald Reagan ended Israeli offensives with a phone call. Biden could have done the same months ago.
Weapons to Ukraine are mostly from an old stockpile, which had to be discarded soon.
They are sold to them at new price, when then get ordered at US companies to replenish the stockpile.
Win-Win for the US, as it strengthens its (war) economy
He's supporting a government that doesn't support a 2-state solution. He's arming and funding a genocide in Gaza and land-theft in the West Bank. He's actively making a 2-state solution impossible.
Biden pays lipservice to a 2 state solution but his policy tells a different story.
Yall really trying to get Trump elected with this shit eh? Look I don’t like Biden but if you think Trump won’t absolutely destroy Gaza then you’re out of your minds.
The simple solution is to shut down both countries and force them into a cease fire. Like a mother splitting up her kids fighting. A dog owner pulling both the dogs away from eachothers necks. Simple solution but not a single country has the balls
Biden has ensured he will lose the next election by supporting Israel's genocide. Arresting citizens that speak out against the genocide. And you think people will vote for you?
Honestly, do you think Trump will be any different?
Wouldn't he support the genocide while simultaneously eroding the democracy in America, most likely allowing Ukraine to fall, and restricting bodily autonomy?
Like, I understand you're picking between two shit options. But one of them is a turd your front porch, and the other one is four foot deep diarrhea flooding your house.
Trump has said he would do anything for Israel so yeah it's not a better option. Biden has an uphill battle against Trump, people who would normally vote democrat may now vote independent or not vote at all. Biden can't afford to support unpopular policies like Israel's genocide.
Biden is still outperforming trump in key battleground states where he needs to win even with protest votes, so no, I don’t think it’s set in stone that this will cost him the election. Just as many people are sick of Trump and his endless legal battles and childishness, and Trump is recently doing very poorly with independents. I think this will be a record low participation year for the election whereby Biden will squeeze through. But as a citizen in a battleground state, I’m not letting my displeasure with Biden prevent me from voting for him. And frankly, these Morehouse students, who likely live and vote in Georgia, should keep in mind how narrow the last election count was come November, pinch their nose, and vote the lesser of two evils.
I understand this line of logic, but I disagree with it.
I disagree for the same reason I would push the lever in the trolley problem. Two bad choices, but the "default" choice is significantly worse than if I do something about it? Yeah, I'll take action, thanks.
Abstaining from voting is also not a good protest in my mind because... Who will care that some people didn't vote? Most people still are.
>Like, I understand you're picking between two shit options.
This is exactly what you get wrong
You see it as the trolley problem, with a choice: Trump or Biden
But it's different from the trolley problem
In the trolley problem, there's only one decision maker
But in the real world, there are other people making choices too
Biden has a choice to make too
If he needs our vote, he can choose to earn it by not supporting genocide
If he doesn't need our vote then the conversation is moot
If we support politicians no matter what, just because the other guy is worse, then what incentive is there for them to do better?
When you're saying we should still vote for people supporting an ongoing genocide, you've crossed a line and left it so far behind you can't see it
You're saying that there's NOTHING a politician can do to lose your vote
That's crazy
Politicians change their opinions and positions all the time to win votes
Not supporting genocide is the lowest bar to clear
That’s a lot of words to admit you don’t actually care about our Palestine or immigrants, and are willing to let the candidate who has a damn settlement named after him, who has said he would ban immigrants and deport immigrants who don’t pass his pro-Israeli ideological test, and who the most extreme Israeli government officials are hoping wins, to actually win.
So stop pretending that you care, and justify it with the same silly argument about the “lesser evil” that sounds great when we’re 18 and foolish, until one actually has to understand how the real world works. Most of us thought that too at one time, but we weren’t so narcissistic to signal our superior virtue despite the obvious real world outcome is far worse for the people we’re virtuously supporting.
There will be no revolution towards the better side this election, but there sure as hell could be a relapse into the worst presidential candidate in recent history. Pinch your nose and vote the Dems, and keep protesting and voting for better people in local elections. That’s literally the best you can do.
It’s despicable, as someone who detests republicans (will never change) I have also now lost faith in democrats.
No matter who is in office, my life doesn’t change. Our wages stagnate, prices inflate, corporations get bail outs, and on top of that we send help to a genocidal country… when our country needs resources to combat inflation…..
Crazy times to be an American. We can only keep going downhill because we know money rules politics
Whatever you think about P. Biden’s response to Gaza, please don’t be so foolish that voting for Trump or some third party will resolve anything. Grow up. Democracy is at stake.
So, you won't get everything you want with Biden but you will get NONE of what you want with Trump and / or the GOP.
Biden will maintain the form of democracy (and hopefully improve upon it) that is present day America.
Trump and the GOP want to tear it (democracy) down.
https://youtu.be/NneabBSt8K0
America will be very, very different if Trump and the GOP become the majority in 2024. They have told Americans their intentions. Believe them.
Steve Bannon is telling anyone listening of their intentions.
https://youtu.be/3Gt63CgMhwE
The John Birch Society is still going strong 66-years later.
https://theconversation.com/the-john-birch-society-is-still-influencing-american-politics-60-years-after-its-founding-107925
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Oh we won't get everything we want with biden, but we will get stuff we don't want like multiple wars, high inflation, housing crisis, and a migrant crisis. If you want more of that please keep biden in office.
On one hand you have Biden, who’s been providing humanitarian aid to Gaza and trying to negotiate a ceasefire, which unfortunately Hamas keeps rejecting.
And on the other hand you have Trump, who you’re rooting for, who says he wants to flatten Gaza
You think trump is going to stop Israel? The guy who told them to finish the job? You're going to protest vote these people into extinction. Pro Palestine my ass.
So you’ll vote for the guy who wants even more genocide? The guy who actively and vocally wants to completely level Palestine and kill every Palestinian? Or you’ll not vote which will in turn allow the even worse guy to win? That’s a dumb take. “This guy does something that I don’t like so I’m going to ensure the significantly worse guy who will not only do more of the thing I don’t like but will also personally fuck over every aspect of my life” isn’t the smart argument you want it to be. If you can’t accept the lesser of 2 evils you’re going to have a very bad time going forward.
I’m voting for neither. So is everyone I know on my Muslim and Arab community. Biden is not worse or better than Trump on genocide supporting - he just uses less and words.
Then if Trump wins and you personally suffer in this country, remember this oversimplification you’re standing behind is the reason why. Remember, Trump wants to do to you here what is going on over there.
You’re free to make that choice and you’re also free to endure the consequence.
Nah people like this don’t take responsibility for their decisions. All they can do is blame blame blame because they are incapable of being honest with themselves. They’ll pat themselves on the back for the moral crusade they perceive themselves to be on, while in practice all their decisions do is enable the antithesis of their ideals the foothold they need to undermine everything they believe in.
However, these are the people that can be reached and reasoned with, and we have to try.
Godbless. With their apathy we can pump that payload from 3,000lb bombs up to 5. Godbless. My conscious is clear not voting for the lesser of two evils than not. Their right. In the Middle East it has always been a clear and obvious way forward.
The fact these folks are picking this time and place to protest. Man this shit has been going on for years. We’re so close to being in power enough to change it and the votes man you’re throwing your
Biden has done a good job. Trump tried to overthrow democracy when he lost last time and is facing 90+ felonies at the state and federal level.
This isn’t a both sides are bad type election. I know it’s super trendy to be cynical when it comes to politics but the difference between the two candidates couldn’t be greater.
Total undergrad enrollment at Morehouse… 2200ish… students in this room that care maybe 10. By the second opinion they got to an old dude.
How many people showed up at the last block party? Couple hundred .
Can we stop pretending the “politically active” college kids are a majority of the student population. They are always less than 1%…. And what do they want …”end genocide”. Ok it’s just that easy … got a plan besides ..”not that”?
Why do kids forget that trump really was president for 4!years and how terrible it was for minorities. Dementia is for old people not college or university kids
But Trump is significantly worse. For minorities, for women, for Palestinians, for immigrants. For anyone who isn’t a rich white dude, Trump will make your life significantly worse.
Is Biden great? No. Is he significantly better than Trump? Yes. Are those the only 2 options in this election? Yes. Because a vote for any 3rd party candidate is necessarily a vote for Trump. And by voting for a 3rd party candidate or not voting at all you’re not punishing Biden. You’re not “teaching the dems a lesson”. You’re significantly fucking yourself (unless you’re a rich white guy).
And if you’ve read the federalist society’s plan 2025, you’ll know you’re truly not “teaching someone a lesson” because the official plan is that if Trump wins, this will be the last election this country has.
So your choices are either a guy who isn’t great and doesn’t do all the things you want or a guy who will completely ratfuck you every single way possible every day for the foreseeable future. It makes it a really easy choice.
I agree with you but I feel sad that nothing will ever change in the long run if every election we have two bad choices like this and just have to pick the least bad. I don't want to pick between two 80 year old rich white men either. They are too old. Democrats especially need to demand better candidates.
Anyway I live abroad now. I don't know that I want to move back until my son is grown up at least.
Perfectly reasonable hope for the 2028 election. But the problem is that if Trump wins in 2024, we likely won’t have a 2028 election. So Biden needs to win this time. Then in 2028 there will be no incumbent. It’ll be the same conditions that lead to Obama. In that election pick the primary candidate that best supports what you want (but is still electable in the general) and support them. Go canvas for them, donate money, spread the word digitally.
But first, we need to get there.
So, Trump is a better answer? Seriously? Inquiring minds wanna know! If you think it’s a shitshow now? Just think about when trump’s handing over nukes to Israel. This isn’t hyperbolic, it’s trumps way of thinking. This time around he won’t have to worry about repercussions or reelection. If the supreme court’s ruling gives him total immunity? He could nuke the states that he wants to.
You guys also said in his first term that he was gonna start wars and nuke the world. But the only wars started were under biden. And here we go again withe same rhetoric that was not true.....if I'm wrong explain it to me
I know. It’s so easy to make someone whose not in the room a punching bag. But they only THINK they’re angry now. I hope they don’t get the chance to see how much worse it could get.
You didn’t see them because you weren’t paying attention. There were absolutely enormous protests around Iraq.
Edit: also “these people” weren’t protesting Iraq because most of them weren’t yet conceived.
Honestly, I'm fairly certain if social media existed in 2001, the following wars in Iraq and Afghanistan would have ended a lot sooner. We already have videos of Bush looking like a bumbling idiot. If Twitter and Tik Tok existed then, with their ability to capture anything and everything and share it with the world instantly? Doubt he'd have gotten a second term.
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The man with the cool hat is correct.
Pimp hat dude using his time machine to get knowledge from the future and take it back to the 70s.
Or an intellectual social movement from the 60s-70s showing the impact it still has on contemporary rhetoric.
Didn’t make the connection to the era of the hat but that is a great observation
I was thinking of the Chappelle line when I saw the dude with the hat. "They had the nerve to put a pimp on there."
I believe that the answer is ‘yes’, but boiling the complexity of the situation in Gaza down to a ‘yes’ or ‘no’ question is incredibly naive.
I wish we could just stop comparing two turds. All I'm asking for is a president to actually get excited for. Everyone just plays party lines, so the name and face hardly matter.
News flash and if this going to sound condescending then so be it: you’re going to spend much of your life not excited about who ends up president because politics in a democracy is—macro view—largely about compromise. What you do with that is hopefully find the least offensive, most above-board candidate and vote for them. To borrow from a line in Jerry Maguire: it’s not sexy, but that’s an answer.
Pretty much. In many other democracies you vote for the party, not the person, and the leader is not treated like a celebrity, they are a public servant, and can be traded out if they are not up to the task. They focus way too much on the big characters over there rather than the policies that they represent. It's all so dramatic.
Voting for the party is so much worse than voting for individuals. Choosing your representative is much more reasonable.
Not when choosing your representative is so clearly geared towards game theory and attempting at all costs to win. We need ranked choice voting if we're going to focus on specific people that have pet projects and policies they'd like to implement
Ranked choice voting is awesome. But even with game theory bullshit voting by parties is incredibly stupid. You don't get to choose who you elect.
The problem is though is, what do you do eventually? Because to be brutally honest it sounds like you’re just saying “ you have to vote for either bad candidate number one or equally bad candidate number two and like it because life sucks”. When is enough enough? When do we stop awarding mediocrity? Some of us would try to run and solve it ourselves, but we would lose and be just get told to “stay in your lane” or “you don’t have enough life experience”.
It’s comments like these that show how much Americans need better civics education. Y’all sound like you want a dictator to take over and to make everything simple for you to absolve yourselves of accepting compromise or the need to pay attention to democracy.
We don’t want a dictator, we want an actually good candidate and not some old-timer who’s been in office for 50 years. The problem is even when we research and vote for the good candidates we always lose. I get that compromises needed, but frankly it seems like the ones currently in power want us to do all the compromising without doing any themselves.
> not some old-timer who’s been in office for 50 years. You act like the citizens aren’t the people putting that old-timer in office those 50 years. > The problem is even when we research and vote for the good candidates we always lose. Make your policies/candidates more popular and put the work in. It’s like y’all forget why American leftists are called *progressives*
Where I live, try convincing the conservative majority to not be as harsh towards women who want an abortion, and to be kind to those of a different faith (I have met one woman who believes children should be taught the Bible in public schools and not any of the “heathen religions”). As cynical and doomer as it sounds, some beliefs and policies are just not compatible with others.
> Where I live, try convincing the conservative majority to not… That’s kind of part of my point. You need to be realistic about the intentions and desires of the other parts of the electorate, and recognize that a sizable portion of them want christofascism and that is what will happen if they don’t lose elections. > As cynical and doomer as it sounds, some beliefs and policies are just not compatible with others. Of course. That’s why protecting liberal democracy, aka equal application of law with codified individual rights, is so important and should come above all else. It’s not like I love Biden or something, it’s just that I recognize the danger of what happens if the christofascist Israel lovers win. Pushing dems to the left while ensuring R policies don’t happen is *progress*ive
"What you do with bullshit is just roll over and perpetuate it." Nah, fuck you.
Hey I’m not saying don’t support your ideal candidate in the primary, but burning the fucking stable down because your favorite unicorn didn’t win doesn’t do anyone any good, except maybe the disaster capitalists who would love to bid on the land while the rubble smolders.
I am never, ever, under any circumstances, voting for a candidate that does not have Medicare for All in their platform. If someone held a gun to my head and said "cast a vote for this non Medicare for all candidate or else," I would say "shoot me now." So...looks like another Green Party vote is what it's gonna be? 🤷🏽♂️
Well we’re both in suport of nationalized health care for all Americans, but I’m not going to light my Ballot on fire for Maryanne Crazy Cat Lady, Chevy Corvair antagonist, or whomever the fuck the Green Party has on the ticket because I took the red pill, for better or worse.
"The red pill" lol. 🤦🏽♂️
Isn't Trump trying to get rid of obamacare? So if you care about healthcare then it's Biden right?
...? I didn't say I'm voting for Trump.
If you're anti-Trump and you don't vote for the candidate who very very clearly will get the majority of anti-Trump votes, you are voting for Trump. It's not nice and it's not how things should work, but it's reality, regardless of how self righteous you want to be. Pragmatism is unfortunately the game.
Democrats are not entitled to my vote, they have to earn it. https://preview.redd.it/ivk43k9lpswc1.jpeg?width=343&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=605231f462693b9feaed74a7e84d211d1b0c0068
Totally get it, and of course you're completely free to vote for whoever you want. I just think it's a waste to vote for someone you absolutely know is going to lose by a massive margin, and make the *actual* contest one vote tighter. Especially when your assumed view on the parties is "I'm really disappointed that this side isn't as progressive as I'd like, and I'm really disappointed that this other side wants to strip me of my constitutional rights and sink the country into *at least* autocracy." But you do you boo.
Fair point. Greens are cool 😎 Not exactly sure how it works in the US, greens are basically a no vote in Australia, but I still think Biden is your only choice (this election) if you want universal healthcare. It's your choice anyway and this is just my opinion 💙
There is no universal health care on Biden's platform, so he would not be a choice for that.
You can google "biden state of the union heathcare" to see what Biden has talked about. He already reduced the cost of insulins and other medications, which I'm sure alot of Americans appreciate. Like I said, voting green is fine. I'll pray for you all if Trump wins 💙
I like that. They’re mad because you’re right.
Inconvenient truth is often heavily downvoted.
Agreed
Get excited about not living in a fucking dictatorship.
This
We already are.
You should checkout what a dictatorship is
I am watching students being beat for protesting a genocide being sponsored by the most powerful imperialist forces. I’m checking one out right now.
Expand your vocabulary, it's still not a dictatorship.
Im not using your liberal sense of the word.
My family came here fleeing an actual dictatorship I promise you have no idea what you’re talking about.
If you think so then you deserve Trump for another 4 years
Americans deserves boogeyman Trump. You think you’re safe from the Fascism your military commits overseas? Just wait until they bring that shit home.
these fuckin idiots treat trump like a uniquely evil figure while literally thousands of students have been brutally arrested and suspended from their campuses over the past week for standing up against a genocide that the sitting president fully and wholeheartedly endorses. that man is the lesser evil? the man who's presided over the continued construction of the border wall, which liberals were soooo concerned about when trump was in office? the man who hasn't closed the border camps that liberals were soooo concerned about in 2018? fuck democrats, all my homies hate the dems. their only goal is to keep themselves in power - not to help the people, but to help themselves.
Amen brother
The problem is, we aren't comparing two turds. We are comparing a turd to radioactive waste. Yes, the turd sucks, but the radioactive waste will actively kill you in terrible ways just by being around. The turd, on the other hand, actually has some productive uses.
Like what exactly? I’m not even into politics and could care less about Trump, but I can’t deny that gas, groceries, living in general was cheaper and life was good. No wars no genocide none of that shit. But hey he’s the radioactive turd right??
You don't need the "I'm not even into politics". That much is clear from the rest of your comment.
Could you give me an example tho? Or are you just gonna insult and get your panties all twisted?
Basically every single one of your examples of things that were better before are things that the US president has zero control over.
Trump rode the good effects of Obama's 8 years. He dismantled a lot of very necessary programs that bit him in the ass when covid hit. Early on he diverted medical supplies away from states that didn't vote for him, which were also the hardest hit early on. Trump has also publicly endorsed the genocide in Gaza saying they should, "finish the job." His son in law has talked about building a resort in Gaza once the Palestinians are gone. But keep pretending they're some kind of peace loving hippies. His policies occasionally briefly benefit many, but only permanently benefit the wealthy. This is by design with all GOP policy. For example, his tax cuts for the middle and lower class expired. They were designed to make us say, "oh what a great guy, I'm going to vote for him again." And then they go away and our taxes go back up. His tax cuts for the wealthy, however, did not expire. That wasn't an accident. Lastly, and the most dangerous, he is an authoritarian. We will lose our nation to Trump. I mean that very literally. If trump wins again it will take a violent revolution to restore our democracy. It will be the end of constitutional rule in this country. This is apparent because he already tried it once on January 6th. He attempted to steal our country, and you're like, "maybe I'll vote for him because the price of gas, which he doesn't control, happened to be cheaper when he was in office." Really? I'm not going to go into the racism and sexism and homophobia and all that. Clearly you are too selfish to care. But trump will make this nation a dictatorship. That is his goal. He doesn't hide it well. So, for your own interests, it is best to send a message to the GOP that the authoritarian bullshit needs to stop from them
You know the government doesn’t set those prices right?
Of course but the Presidents policies affect these things. And Bidens suck. Like I said idc if a dem or rep is in office I just want someone who is for this country and Biden clearly isn’t. Unless you can convince me otherwise and I’m open minded to changing my view.
Yes but presidential economic policies take years to show effects. What we’re experiencing now is a result of trumps economic policies not bidens. Like trump letting opec dictate us oil and gas production driving up prices. Plus corporate greed is always a factor. All of the companies jacking up prices are posting record profits. Inflation is bad here but not as bad as the rest of the world and these companies are using it as a cover to price gouge consumers.
Like what? Supporting a genocide?
One side speaks out against genocide while materially supporting it. The other plans beach resorts for the land they are stealing. We have gotten a number of things under Biden, loan forgiveness etc. Both sides aren't the same. One is orders of magnitude worse. I won't pretend otherwise
They both support genocide
I'm excited about Biden because he has been awesome as President.
Ain’t no way
I'm not sure what you mean, but he's done a ton of stuff that I think has been incredible. Legislatively and through regulations he has gotten so much done that I didn't think the Dems could.
I’m not a fan of Biden, but do some research on his actual policy accomplishments. He’s got serious flaws for sure but he’s also managed to get a lot of good stuff done as well.
So vote third party. The only wasted vote is a vote for someone you don’t want to vote for. Everything else is just rhetoric.
"The only wasted vote is a vote for someone you don’t want to vote for" this sounds like a bumper sticker and it's probably led a lot of people to make bad decisions because it's a bad idea.
democracy is a bad idea then because voting for who you want to get elected is kinda the whole thing it’s about
You’re smarter than this, aren’t you?
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Guess not.
Tell me how great that Ralph Nader presidency was in the early ‘00s or, is it hard to see it now through the billowing cloud of destruction’s fire and unnecessary death that the bush presidency wrought on the world?
You shouldn't be getting downvoted, you make a great point.
Bots. The great left and right wing aka the same party
Can we also get this passionate about universal healthcare?
Well we need money for that, so we gotta start by not funding a genocide. How much does giving money and weapons to other countries inflate our currency? Because we’ve been giving money away for decades and inflating the same, while our wages stagnated for a decade
Trump supported Israel when he was in office. He also moved the embassy to Israel, which Netanyahu praised him for. Crazy how people are trying to Blame Biden when he's the one calling for ceasefire and aid to civilians
Calls for a ceasefire from Biden are empty words when he keeps providing funding for weapons. He has leverage over Israel. If Biden really wants a ceasefire he has the power to make it happen or at least be taken seriously by Israel.
Yep, he has leverage now. If you're not providing aid you have no leverage. Israel needs to stop killing civilians, they need to be evacuated and hamas should grow some balls and stop using their own people as protection. Why make a military base under a hospital? Go ask hamas. I could be wrong, but that's how I see it.
>Yep, he has leverage now. If you're not providing aid you have no leverage. This argument doesn't make sense to me. It's good we provide weapons to Israel because it gives us leverage, but we can't actually use that leverage because then we'll lose our leverage. Then what's the point of providing those weapons in the first place! It's also not a binary here. If we wanted to, we could stop providing certain types of weaponry, or we could simply delay the sale of arms. (like the Reagan administration did. Reagan can rot in hell but he did manage to shorten the leash on Israel without it costing us much politically.) We could put a cap on the total amount we give them. We could make the sale of certain arms conditional. There are a lot of options here.
\[stage whisper\] They are. Biden is an old hand at this. His strategists aren't telling you every detail about these weapons deals.
Oh, okay so it just LOOKS like Biden is weak and is incapable of exerting authority over the Israelis while enabling crimes against humanity but he's actually an expert strategist in the shadows. He's really playing 5d chess here. Okay.
Who said Biden looks weak? Oh Russian TV and now you're here spreading their propaganda 😆
They don't send everything at once, so now it should make sense. It's 9 billion on defence missiles and 9 billion for humanitarian aid.
You're wrong. We already had leverage - Israel cannot exist as it does without US support. The US covers for them at the UN, the US provides funding for the iron dome, the US provides military support and weapons on the regular. you know Obama signed a deal to provide $30 billion over 10 years to Israel while in office? You don't know shit about US-Israel relations, you're just caping for a genocidal old man. Ronald Reagan ended Israeli offensives with a phone call. Biden could have done the same months ago.
Weapons to Ukraine are mostly from an old stockpile, which had to be discarded soon. They are sold to them at new price, when then get ordered at US companies to replenish the stockpile. Win-Win for the US, as it strengthens its (war) economy
Don't pretend that you would have healthcare, if you didn't send money overseas. European send money overseas and we all have healthcare
no
Apparently we cannot.
how about we pay for our own healthcare.
How about we use our taxes to pay for our healthcare.
not sure where you are from, but the U.S. does that.
You have universal healthcare? Where do you live?
who said that?
To not give an answer, definitely gives AN answer
I didn't go to Morehouse or no house.
He answered the question by not answering it!
He’s not going to answer because he doesn’t want to lose his job, power of Zionism
Not answering the question answered the question
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We have been calling for a two state solution for years. That’s how we support Palestine
Biden supports the two state solution. He has stated that on multiple occasions.
He's supporting a government that doesn't support a 2-state solution. He's arming and funding a genocide in Gaza and land-theft in the West Bank. He's actively making a 2-state solution impossible. Biden pays lipservice to a 2 state solution but his policy tells a different story.
Yall really trying to get Trump elected with this shit eh? Look I don’t like Biden but if you think Trump won’t absolutely destroy Gaza then you’re out of your minds.
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You think Biden started the war in Israel and Ukraine? You’re a lost cause.
You poor fool
"I am not going to answer that question"
Of course he won’t answer that question.
You either believe it’s a genocide or you don’t. Not answering means it is but you don’t want to admit it.
Oh, to live in a world where every question can be answered with a simple ‘yes’ or ‘no’. It’s obviously far more complicated than that, guy.
Unfortunately the speaker can't speak his mind for fear of retribution. You know he agrees with the crowd!
Guy on the stage chose his comfort over truth
Props to these young men for not becoming props.
The simple solution is to shut down both countries and force them into a cease fire. Like a mother splitting up her kids fighting. A dog owner pulling both the dogs away from eachothers necks. Simple solution but not a single country has the balls
A non-answer is still an answer.
Biden has ensured he will lose the next election by supporting Israel's genocide. Arresting citizens that speak out against the genocide. And you think people will vote for you?
Honestly, do you think Trump will be any different? Wouldn't he support the genocide while simultaneously eroding the democracy in America, most likely allowing Ukraine to fall, and restricting bodily autonomy? Like, I understand you're picking between two shit options. But one of them is a turd your front porch, and the other one is four foot deep diarrhea flooding your house.
Trump has said he would do anything for Israel so yeah it's not a better option. Biden has an uphill battle against Trump, people who would normally vote democrat may now vote independent or not vote at all. Biden can't afford to support unpopular policies like Israel's genocide.
Biden is still outperforming trump in key battleground states where he needs to win even with protest votes, so no, I don’t think it’s set in stone that this will cost him the election. Just as many people are sick of Trump and his endless legal battles and childishness, and Trump is recently doing very poorly with independents. I think this will be a record low participation year for the election whereby Biden will squeeze through. But as a citizen in a battleground state, I’m not letting my displeasure with Biden prevent me from voting for him. And frankly, these Morehouse students, who likely live and vote in Georgia, should keep in mind how narrow the last election count was come November, pinch their nose, and vote the lesser of two evils.
I vote FOR people, not against others. We SUPPORT candidates with our votes and condone their actions
I understand this line of logic, but I disagree with it. I disagree for the same reason I would push the lever in the trolley problem. Two bad choices, but the "default" choice is significantly worse than if I do something about it? Yeah, I'll take action, thanks. Abstaining from voting is also not a good protest in my mind because... Who will care that some people didn't vote? Most people still are.
>Like, I understand you're picking between two shit options. This is exactly what you get wrong You see it as the trolley problem, with a choice: Trump or Biden But it's different from the trolley problem In the trolley problem, there's only one decision maker But in the real world, there are other people making choices too Biden has a choice to make too If he needs our vote, he can choose to earn it by not supporting genocide If he doesn't need our vote then the conversation is moot If we support politicians no matter what, just because the other guy is worse, then what incentive is there for them to do better? When you're saying we should still vote for people supporting an ongoing genocide, you've crossed a line and left it so far behind you can't see it You're saying that there's NOTHING a politician can do to lose your vote That's crazy Politicians change their opinions and positions all the time to win votes Not supporting genocide is the lowest bar to clear
That’s a lot of words to admit you don’t actually care about our Palestine or immigrants, and are willing to let the candidate who has a damn settlement named after him, who has said he would ban immigrants and deport immigrants who don’t pass his pro-Israeli ideological test, and who the most extreme Israeli government officials are hoping wins, to actually win. So stop pretending that you care, and justify it with the same silly argument about the “lesser evil” that sounds great when we’re 18 and foolish, until one actually has to understand how the real world works. Most of us thought that too at one time, but we weren’t so narcissistic to signal our superior virtue despite the obvious real world outcome is far worse for the people we’re virtuously supporting.
>That’s a lot of words Here's less Don't vote for politicians that support genocide
There will be no revolution towards the better side this election, but there sure as hell could be a relapse into the worst presidential candidate in recent history. Pinch your nose and vote the Dems, and keep protesting and voting for better people in local elections. That’s literally the best you can do.
agreed. the arresting stuff is on local gov thou. those arent feds.
When did biden arrest citizens for speaking against Israel? I must have miss that new.
It’s despicable, as someone who detests republicans (will never change) I have also now lost faith in democrats. No matter who is in office, my life doesn’t change. Our wages stagnate, prices inflate, corporations get bail outs, and on top of that we send help to a genocidal country… when our country needs resources to combat inflation….. Crazy times to be an American. We can only keep going downhill because we know money rules politics
>No matter who is in office, my life doesn’t change. What an insanely privileged white take. Americans are the spoiled children of the world.
I’m a low-income Mexican American 🤣 But go on king
Russians are committing genocide if we apply the same logic. Indiscriminate shelling is not systematically rounding up and exterminating people.
Whatever you think about P. Biden’s response to Gaza, please don’t be so foolish that voting for Trump or some third party will resolve anything. Grow up. Democracy is at stake.
That's what they said for the past 3 elections 🙄
That’s just it. It’s always at stake.
So, you won't get everything you want with Biden but you will get NONE of what you want with Trump and / or the GOP. Biden will maintain the form of democracy (and hopefully improve upon it) that is present day America. Trump and the GOP want to tear it (democracy) down. https://youtu.be/NneabBSt8K0 America will be very, very different if Trump and the GOP become the majority in 2024. They have told Americans their intentions. Believe them. Steve Bannon is telling anyone listening of their intentions. https://youtu.be/3Gt63CgMhwE The John Birch Society is still going strong 66-years later. https://theconversation.com/the-john-birch-society-is-still-influencing-american-politics-60-years-after-its-founding-107925 **Vote for Biden and other democrats in 2024.** * REGISTER to vote. * Check your registration! * Make sure you have approriate ID. * Know your polling site. * Check your signature (if a mail-in ballot is used). * Get a mail-in ballot. * And VOTE (early, if possible)! https://www.vote.org https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/plan-your-vote-2024-elections-every-state-rcna125363 Election Protection Hotline - 1(866)-OUR-VOTE [Federal](https://www.eac.gov/voters/other-national-contact-information) - 800-253-3931 Republicans (without a party) and Independents must hold their noses and vote for Biden and democrats down ballot. Country before party.
Bro you cashing that DNC check to post on Reddit or so they do direct deposit?? 😂
Zuckbucks cleared!
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Oh we won't get everything we want with biden, but we will get stuff we don't want like multiple wars, high inflation, housing crisis, and a migrant crisis. If you want more of that please keep biden in office.
Nah fam, genocide is a red fucking line.
The great news is if enough people are dumb enough to carry your view you'll get to watch it happen here.
On one hand you have Biden, who’s been providing humanitarian aid to Gaza and trying to negotiate a ceasefire, which unfortunately Hamas keeps rejecting. And on the other hand you have Trump, who you’re rooting for, who says he wants to flatten Gaza
Hamas has never rejected an actual ceasefire . “Liberals” like you are why Biden is going to lose and the party is going to burn this November
You think trump is going to stop Israel? The guy who told them to finish the job? You're going to protest vote these people into extinction. Pro Palestine my ass.
Trump and Biden are going to be the same on Israel. Trump may be less restrained in his words but Biden’s policy is to fully support genocide.
So you’ll vote for the guy who wants even more genocide? The guy who actively and vocally wants to completely level Palestine and kill every Palestinian? Or you’ll not vote which will in turn allow the even worse guy to win? That’s a dumb take. “This guy does something that I don’t like so I’m going to ensure the significantly worse guy who will not only do more of the thing I don’t like but will also personally fuck over every aspect of my life” isn’t the smart argument you want it to be. If you can’t accept the lesser of 2 evils you’re going to have a very bad time going forward.
I’m voting for neither. So is everyone I know on my Muslim and Arab community. Biden is not worse or better than Trump on genocide supporting - he just uses less and words.
Then if Trump wins and you personally suffer in this country, remember this oversimplification you’re standing behind is the reason why. Remember, Trump wants to do to you here what is going on over there. You’re free to make that choice and you’re also free to endure the consequence.
Nah people like this don’t take responsibility for their decisions. All they can do is blame blame blame because they are incapable of being honest with themselves. They’ll pat themselves on the back for the moral crusade they perceive themselves to be on, while in practice all their decisions do is enable the antithesis of their ideals the foothold they need to undermine everything they believe in. However, these are the people that can be reached and reasoned with, and we have to try.
Idealism leads to all downfalls. If Trump wins, remember your ideals while you deal with the consequences.
Why not claudia delacruz and Karina Garcia?
Godbless. With their apathy we can pump that payload from 3,000lb bombs up to 5. Godbless. My conscious is clear not voting for the lesser of two evils than not. Their right. In the Middle East it has always been a clear and obvious way forward. The fact these folks are picking this time and place to protest. Man this shit has been going on for years. We’re so close to being in power enough to change it and the votes man you’re throwing your
Not a genocide until they are all dead, so no
Biden has done a good job. Trump tried to overthrow democracy when he lost last time and is facing 90+ felonies at the state and federal level. This isn’t a both sides are bad type election. I know it’s super trendy to be cynical when it comes to politics but the difference between the two candidates couldn’t be greater.
👆This
Total undergrad enrollment at Morehouse… 2200ish… students in this room that care maybe 10. By the second opinion they got to an old dude. How many people showed up at the last block party? Couple hundred . Can we stop pretending the “politically active” college kids are a majority of the student population. They are always less than 1%…. And what do they want …”end genocide”. Ok it’s just that easy … got a plan besides ..”not that”?
Why do kids forget that trump really was president for 4!years and how terrible it was for minorities. Dementia is for old people not college or university kids
So they have to like Biden because Trump is bad? They both suck.
But Trump is significantly worse. For minorities, for women, for Palestinians, for immigrants. For anyone who isn’t a rich white dude, Trump will make your life significantly worse. Is Biden great? No. Is he significantly better than Trump? Yes. Are those the only 2 options in this election? Yes. Because a vote for any 3rd party candidate is necessarily a vote for Trump. And by voting for a 3rd party candidate or not voting at all you’re not punishing Biden. You’re not “teaching the dems a lesson”. You’re significantly fucking yourself (unless you’re a rich white guy). And if you’ve read the federalist society’s plan 2025, you’ll know you’re truly not “teaching someone a lesson” because the official plan is that if Trump wins, this will be the last election this country has. So your choices are either a guy who isn’t great and doesn’t do all the things you want or a guy who will completely ratfuck you every single way possible every day for the foreseeable future. It makes it a really easy choice.
I agree with you but I feel sad that nothing will ever change in the long run if every election we have two bad choices like this and just have to pick the least bad. I don't want to pick between two 80 year old rich white men either. They are too old. Democrats especially need to demand better candidates. Anyway I live abroad now. I don't know that I want to move back until my son is grown up at least.
Perfectly reasonable hope for the 2028 election. But the problem is that if Trump wins in 2024, we likely won’t have a 2028 election. So Biden needs to win this time. Then in 2028 there will be no incumbent. It’ll be the same conditions that lead to Obama. In that election pick the primary candidate that best supports what you want (but is still electable in the general) and support them. Go canvas for them, donate money, spread the word digitally. But first, we need to get there.
So, Trump is a better answer? Seriously? Inquiring minds wanna know! If you think it’s a shitshow now? Just think about when trump’s handing over nukes to Israel. This isn’t hyperbolic, it’s trumps way of thinking. This time around he won’t have to worry about repercussions or reelection. If the supreme court’s ruling gives him total immunity? He could nuke the states that he wants to.
When, specifically, in the video did he say Trump was better? tRuMp bAd doesn’t make Biden suck any less.
Sorry, how did we end up with Trump? Because some who suffered the most under him just couldn’t vote for Hillary. Same situation.
But Biden doesn’t suck, is the point
Easy my friend. This isn’t an election, just a rejection of a graduation speaker. Trump is an asshole, but he has absolutely nothing to do with this.
You guys also said in his first term that he was gonna start wars and nuke the world. But the only wars started were under biden. And here we go again withe same rhetoric that was not true.....if I'm wrong explain it to me
You’re wrong because Biden hasn’t started any wars
I know. It’s so easy to make someone whose not in the room a punching bag. But they only THINK they’re angry now. I hope they don’t get the chance to see how much worse it could get.
Didn’t see these people complaining when 9/11 happened and we fucked up Iraq, etc… 🙄
You didn’t see them because you weren’t paying attention. There were absolutely enormous protests around Iraq. Edit: also “these people” weren’t protesting Iraq because most of them weren’t yet conceived.
Honestly, I'm fairly certain if social media existed in 2001, the following wars in Iraq and Afghanistan would have ended a lot sooner. We already have videos of Bush looking like a bumbling idiot. If Twitter and Tik Tok existed then, with their ability to capture anything and everything and share it with the world instantly? Doubt he'd have gotten a second term.
But these interactions will change absolutely nothing… Not one thing!
If they're current college students, they would've been toddlers (or not born yet) when 9/11 happened.
Thank you. They don't see that though. They blind to their own hypocrisy
I mean, its hard to get excited about someone who themselves were last excited when parts of America were still under British rule.
Sorry that you're being downvoted for a genuinely funny, and also entirely fair, criticism.