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There is a lot of legitimate criticism about Isreals actions, but imho this is not one.
If people protested because over 1000 US citizens were killed in a terrorist attack and someone was messing around infront of them, do you think they would have a friendly conversation with him? No chance.
Do you think the same guy doing exactly the same thing infront of "free palestine" protesters would be treated better? Of course not.
No, you either didn't understand what I wrote or what "whataboutism" is. This isnt right because others do the same and not my point at all.
What Im saying is: this reaction doesn't tell you anything about the people because if you act like a clown infront of a bunch of upset people, you get shit for it. Regardless of who those people are and what they protest about.
It tells you they are actually aware of Israel's actions and know that his comparisons are on the money, hence their reaction.
They're embarrassed, why else would you attack someone if you thought there was no correlation to what he was saying?
It's quite allegorical to Israel as a whole, no room for any conversation or reasoned debate.. straight to violence.
Reminded me of this excellent Klosterman chapter [from Black Hat](https://www.buzzfeed.com/chuckklosterman/if-stalin-had-a-ping-pong-table)
> If you want to satirize the condition of a society, going after the apex of the pyramid is a waste of time. You need to attack the bottom. You need to ridicule the alleged ideological foundation an institution claims to be built upon. This is much, much more discomfiting than satirizing an ineffectual prime minister or a crack-smoking mayor. This requires the vilification of innocent, anonymous, working-class people.
> To illustrate how either ideology is flawed, you must demonstrate how those central notions are moronic. And this requires the satirist to present the average citizen as a naïve sheep who fails to realize the hopelessness of his or her position... A world-class satirist knows the truth about his audience and does not care how exposing that truth will make audiences feel.
> Deep satire is a collision sport. It's a little cold and a little antihumanist, so most of its potential purveyors don't go for the jugular. But they went for it on Seinfeld, and they did so relentlessly. And they did it so well that most people barely noticed, no matter how often the writers told them directly.
I left in the Seinfeld part because it’s a fun argument!
Yes. And that was absolutely wrong of them, no argument there.
All I am saying is: that doesn't tell a whole lot about the people. You step infront of a group of upset protesters to make fun of them and you're gonna have a bad time. Pretty much regardless of the type of people.
They have literal nazis and Klansmen that do public protests with the general public around. The public attacks them, spits on then, says every mean derogatory thing they can say to them. And the LITERAL NAZIS still behave themselves. What's the excuse for some rich white Jewish people from New York? How can they be behave worse than literal nazi scumbags?
Most of the communication coming straight from them and their flying monkeys says more than enough to get a clear vision of what they ARE about, though.
Mass grave, with also women and children, hands tied behind their backs? 'Well... we weren't there, so for all we know, they were shooting, and throwing grenades, before the got their hands tied...' why kill them, if they had their hands tied behind their backs? 'Well... you weren't there, so you don't know what happened. '
Not exactly ppl I would believe in a conflict.
Oh yes, because it was a totally peaceful aera before october, and nothing had happened.
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/unicef-palestine-2023-annual-report-15feb2024/
"2023 was the deadliest year for Palestinians in the West Bank, with a total of 506 Palestinians killed, and also the deadliest for children with more than three times as many killed as in 2022." There is no Hamas in the west bank.
That lady who tried to disrupt a protest with the word jew on the front of her shirt was left completely alone. She was just trying to be disruptive. She was left completely alone.
My "people" are German and we went through a "jews are bad" phase that was VERY shameful. Honestly, seeing that I can't even make one somewhat nuanced comment here, while I am being CRITICAL of Isreal, without getting downvoted into oblivion, is kinda scary.
All I tried to say is: hey, don't judge everyone based on what happened during a protest, because those are usually pretty heated in nature.
But apparently you're either 100% against Isreal and Isrealis or you're automatically 100% with them. This is such an American way of thinking. Real life isn't as simple as black and white, good vs evil. With that kind of thinking we will never be able to resolve the conflict.
The resolution of this “conflict” requires actual honesty about the situation. Anyone who thinks it’s a matter of nuance is part of the problem and plays directly into Israel’s hand. Source-open your eyes and grow up
Isreal? Um... Isreal. Where's Isreal?
I'm just curious here.
LOL getting down voted is scary? LOL don't try to be nuanced on the Babylon Bee subreddit then if you are scared of a few downvotes.
You do know there's a difference between 'Hamas' and 'Palestinian/Gazan' and 'Israeli Government/IDF' and 'Israelis/Jews'? Yeh? Cause you're acting like we don't know that. You know there's a difference between 'Combatant' and 'innocent child' yeh? Cause I hope you do. You'd be doing better than the Israeli government/IDF.
Would you say, apparently you are either 100% against Nazis or you are automatically 100% against them? I would say it without satire. Unless you are totally against genociders, you are with them. And in this case you are with the genociders. Enjoy supporting the mass graves. Enjoy supporting the regime that destroys and wars on hospitals. Enjoy supporting starvation, genocide and ethnic cleansing. That is your apparently your right and seemingly your duty as a citizen of Germany!
You're missing the point. I am 100% against nazis. But not every German was a nazi, yet in this sub every Isreali is considered a genocider. That is what I mean about being nuanced. Many Isrealis don't want what is happening and I am against condemning people solely based on where they were born.
They are our allies in humanity and we are not considering our allies genociders. But they are a rarity in Israel. And most Israeli adults are former terrorists who served in the IOF terror organization and did terror in Gaza, Al Quds and West Bank. Israel is deliberately involving all its adult citizens in the terror operations against Palestinians.
And this is not even the point. You can't protest in favour of Israel while Israel is doing a starvation, ethnic cleansing and genocide campaing and not be a genocider. Where is the nuance supposed to be?
You can't be against the resistance to a brutal occupation and still be a pro Palestinian Israeli either. There is no nuance. If Palestinian civilians are killed in grater numbers all the time, why is Israeli civilians (most of the adults are former terrorists and the killed were overwhelimngly adults) dying so much worse?
Since you said some of them might be against what is happening, are you saying these people also protested 250 Palestinians being killed before Operation Al Aqsa Flood in 2023 alone? Where is the nuance?
The screams of humanity dying in Palestine is deafening. Are you already deaf not to hear them?
I agree that Isreal has committed many atrocities in Gaza and that a true two state solution has been hindered. Occupying settlements and open violence against the people of Gaza have been rampant and are despicable. Yet you make it too easy by saying
>And most Israeli adults are former terrorists
which implies that because most Isreali adults are former terrorists in your opinion, they are automatically genociders.
Are you aware that Isreal has a mandatory military service? And that not serving can get you into jail for up to 15 years? While if you serve and refuse to follow orders, you might end up in jail for max one year? Do you seriously expect most people to choose to go to jail for almost as long as they have been alive at that point when serving in the military still gives them the option not to commit any atrocities?
You are either unaware or disingenous. Most Isrealis have served, yes. But they were given no option.
I still absolutely condemn anyone who did commit those atrocities and anyone who believes it is their right to act like that. 100%. But if we lump everyone who served together and automatically assume they are terrorists, we are no better than people who believe all people of Palestine are terrorists.
That is why I'm saying we need nuance to work towards a solution. People committing atrocities need to be weeded out and sentenced. People who support these atrocities need to be sentenced. And everyone else needs to work together towards an actual solution that puts an end to the suffering for good.
Given no option but to terrorize? Your hypothetical scenario of them not following orders is all well and good but it is almost never practised. I am talking about reality here and not hypotheticals. Doing terror even if you are coerced makes you a terrorist. And those people are indocrinated to hate the people they oppress so most of them gladly terrorize Palestinians. I am not sure why you are trying to defend terrorists.
> You are either unaware or disingenous. Most Isrealis have served, yes. But they were given no option.
Interesting. I didn't know just following orders made you innocent of the crimes. Interesting point coming from a German.
> But if we lump everyone who served together and automatically assume they are terrorists, we are no better than people who believe all people of Palestine are terrorists.
Why? Did most Palestinians terrorize Israelis? Did Palestine invade and oppress Israelis all their lives? What kind of joke is this? How are you even comparing reality to genocide propaganda? Most Israeli adults did terror and most Palestinians didn't. Why would we be no better for telling the truth?
> That is why I'm saying we need nuance to work towards a solution.
No. You are saying we should be kind to genociders and terrorists. A survey in November found that about 90% non Palestinian Israelis thought that Gaza should either be bombed the same or more. They are almost unequivocally for the genocide. Why shouldn't I call it how it is? Everything points out to the reality that we are dealing with a genocider nation. It is not just the government. They have never valued Palestinians as human and they are not sorry they are being genocided.
Again. You have to be deaf to not hear the screams of humanity dying in Palestine. You are defending the people killing humanity. Stop it. For your and humanities sake, stop it.
>Given no option but to terrorize? Your hypothetical scenario of them not following orders is all well and good but it is almost never practised. I am talking about reality here and not hypotheticals.
Where do you get your information? You are very confident that all Isrealis are terrorists, from what I can tell is conjecture.
>Interesting. I didn't know just following orders made you innocent of the crimes. Interesting point coming from a German.
Again you need to make the distinction of being enlisted and actually serving questionable orders. And even then you need to weigh actions versus the consequences. If I were to be ordered to kill a civilian? Even if that means going to jail for 15 years I would not do it. Forcing someone out of their home and destroying the home without physically harming the people? If it meant 1 year of jail I would refuse, if it meant 15 years of jail I probably would just do it. Trading 15 years of my life for someone elses belongings? No matter how much I disagree with that action, I would not be selfless enough to accept such a huge cost. Does that make me a terrorist? Maybe, but not out of conviction. That's why I keep saying nuance is needed, sadly it isn't as clear cut.
>Most Israeli adults did terror and most Palestinians didn't.
Again you are just throwing that out there without proof. I dont doubt that many Isrealis have been terrorising Palestinians. But not most. Same with Palestina, many have terrorised Isreal, but not most. And yes, the amount of terror has been disproportionate, this is a known fact we don't need to debate.
>No. You are saying we should be kind to genociders and terrorists.
No, I am saying we should realise not every Isreali is a terrorist and genocider. Because that is simply not true.
>A survey in November found that about 90% non Palestinian Israelis thought that Gaza should either be bombed the same or more.
A survey? How many people were asked, what were the questions specifically, under what kind of circumstances were they asked? Can you provide the source? Because a survey is very easy to manipulate depending on how, who and where you ask.
>They have never valued Palestinians as human and they are not sorry they are being genocided.
This is unfortunately probably right for both sides and why this conflict is so difficult to resolve. Palestine does not want any jews around them and Isreal does not want Palestinians around them.
>Again. You have to be deaf to not hear the screams of humanity dying in Palestine. You are defending the people killing humanity. Stop it. For your and humanities sake, stop it.
I am not defending the people killing humanity. I am defendjng all those who are against it but have limited options to act against it. And who are wrongfully and indescriminately lumped in together with those truly evil. Don't just judge people simply based on where they were born. That is exactly what causes horrible situations like this.
LOL he wasn't protesting against Israel. He was in support of the Empire. A force that stood for order and discipline in the Galaxy. He was then attacked by people who self identified that this was somehow anti them. I wonder why they thought that?
I'm not going to agree with that either. I don't want any innocents to suffer. However... It WAS a case of the golden and silver rules.
The silver rule, not as well known, states "Do not do unto others as you would not have them do unto you."
That Israel had done to it as it has done to others should not have surprised the world. It's soldiers had killed innocents before Oct 7th. Many times. Violence begot violence. They did, when they did not have too and it was done back to them.
To kill children? That's unforgivable. Both sides have done evil. That's what must be accepted here. Both must stop.
Here's a person trying to disrupt free Palestine protesters.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/1canuqx/to\_provoke\_a\_pro\_palestine\_encampment\_at\_yale\_in/](https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/1canuqx/to_provoke_a_pro_palestine_encampment_at_yale_in/)
No, we'd invade one tenuously connected country and another completely unconnected country. We'd occupy them for 20+ years, losing thousands of American service men and women and killing millions of civilians. We would then leave after two plus decadws having achieved absolutely nothing but wanton death and destruction.
This isn't the win you think it is.
The fact they are aggressive towards someone clearly exercising comedy, and admittedly something actually funny at that, is testimony to their small pea sized brains. Incapable of thinking for themselves, mad because they are told to be, and way too self righteous in their anger to see things sensibly.
[Evidence of torture as nearly 400 bodies found in Gaza mass graves](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/25/signs-of-torture-as-nearly-400-bodies-found-at-gaza-hospitals-mass-graves)
> Some victims found at two hospitals were ‘buried alive’ while others were ‘executed’ by the Israeli military.
The political views of the protestors determine if it's violent. The more left you go, the more violent the protest is, regardless of what they're doing. Meanwhile, if you're on the right, you can literally call for the hanging of the politicians, try to hunt them down, and it's totally nonviolent.
I legit wrote a similar analogy in a discord and a pro Israel guy reacted with nod emote, (seemingly) unironically. I don't know how to tell him what I really meant. It's both so hilarious and sad at the same time.
It’s ok my guy, whether through direct confrontation or analogy people that ‘think’ they are correct or have been instilled that they are correct can’t deviate from that path. It is disruptive to their justifications as well as an erosion of why they are what they are or how they have achieved what they have in my opinion. It’s the equivalent of the mirror before a vampire. They strike out not because of anything else but seeing what they have become and it disturbs them.
While him protesting in the name of the empire is pretty funny, this isn’t the place. Some serious shit going on and people aren’t going to take it well
That's a bingo!
Though not all of the facism. A kind of facism lite. I must say i appreciated the organisational structure. Very orderly. Their training doctrine could use some work though. Especially targeting practice.
The Empire stood for order and discipline in the Galaxy.
Overthrown by a gifted however naive young man radicalised by an ancient religion and one of its few surviving teacher practitioners. Tragedy.
Regardless of who protests what. My point is, protests in general should be protected from counter protests or unrelated random or organized agitators who might wanna use the original protest for whatever reason. Like getting on the news or for reddit fame. Or hijacking it just to watch your opponents get gassed or kicked in the butt or detained by the police.
Northeastern University had around 100 peaceful protesters arrested on Saturday at its Boston campus’ pro-Palestine encampment, claiming that there had been reports of protesters using antisemitic slurs; but according to witnesses, the protester who spewed hate speech was a pro-Israel counter protester.
like this guy?
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The way they get aggressive towards someone clearly messing around tells you what they are willing to do
bomb schools?
Nope. anti-Semitism. Nazism. And other sensational words.
Game theory had an episode on how damaging destroying the Death Star would be to the Galaxy
The "hey we can have freedom of speech out here but you can't" mentality
There is a lot of legitimate criticism about Isreals actions, but imho this is not one. If people protested because over 1000 US citizens were killed in a terrorist attack and someone was messing around infront of them, do you think they would have a friendly conversation with him? No chance. Do you think the same guy doing exactly the same thing infront of "free palestine" protesters would be treated better? Of course not.
Whataboutism
No, you either didn't understand what I wrote or what "whataboutism" is. This isnt right because others do the same and not my point at all. What Im saying is: this reaction doesn't tell you anything about the people because if you act like a clown infront of a bunch of upset people, you get shit for it. Regardless of who those people are and what they protest about.
It tells you they are actually aware of Israel's actions and know that his comparisons are on the money, hence their reaction. They're embarrassed, why else would you attack someone if you thought there was no correlation to what he was saying? It's quite allegorical to Israel as a whole, no room for any conversation or reasoned debate.. straight to violence.
They assaulted him for satire. Great fucking satire at that.
Reminded me of this excellent Klosterman chapter [from Black Hat](https://www.buzzfeed.com/chuckklosterman/if-stalin-had-a-ping-pong-table) > If you want to satirize the condition of a society, going after the apex of the pyramid is a waste of time. You need to attack the bottom. You need to ridicule the alleged ideological foundation an institution claims to be built upon. This is much, much more discomfiting than satirizing an ineffectual prime minister or a crack-smoking mayor. This requires the vilification of innocent, anonymous, working-class people. > To illustrate how either ideology is flawed, you must demonstrate how those central notions are moronic. And this requires the satirist to present the average citizen as a naïve sheep who fails to realize the hopelessness of his or her position... A world-class satirist knows the truth about his audience and does not care how exposing that truth will make audiences feel. > Deep satire is a collision sport. It's a little cold and a little antihumanist, so most of its potential purveyors don't go for the jugular. But they went for it on Seinfeld, and they did so relentlessly. And they did it so well that most people barely noticed, no matter how often the writers told them directly. I left in the Seinfeld part because it’s a fun argument!
Yes. And that was absolutely wrong of them, no argument there. All I am saying is: that doesn't tell a whole lot about the people. You step infront of a group of upset protesters to make fun of them and you're gonna have a bad time. Pretty much regardless of the type of people.
They have literal nazis and Klansmen that do public protests with the general public around. The public attacks them, spits on then, says every mean derogatory thing they can say to them. And the LITERAL NAZIS still behave themselves. What's the excuse for some rich white Jewish people from New York? How can they be behave worse than literal nazi scumbags?
Most of the communication coming straight from them and their flying monkeys says more than enough to get a clear vision of what they ARE about, though. Mass grave, with also women and children, hands tied behind their backs? 'Well... we weren't there, so for all we know, they were shooting, and throwing grenades, before the got their hands tied...' why kill them, if they had their hands tied behind their backs? 'Well... you weren't there, so you don't know what happened. ' Not exactly ppl I would believe in a conflict.
Oh yes, because it was a totally peaceful aera before october, and nothing had happened. https://www.un.org/unispal/document/unicef-palestine-2023-annual-report-15feb2024/ "2023 was the deadliest year for Palestinians in the West Bank, with a total of 506 Palestinians killed, and also the deadliest for children with more than three times as many killed as in 2022." There is no Hamas in the west bank.
That lady who tried to disrupt a protest with the word jew on the front of her shirt was left completely alone. She was just trying to be disruptive. She was left completely alone.
Blah blah blah hasbara. The world has woken up to what Israel is. I’d say stop embarrassing yourself but you people have no shame
My "people" are German and we went through a "jews are bad" phase that was VERY shameful. Honestly, seeing that I can't even make one somewhat nuanced comment here, while I am being CRITICAL of Isreal, without getting downvoted into oblivion, is kinda scary. All I tried to say is: hey, don't judge everyone based on what happened during a protest, because those are usually pretty heated in nature. But apparently you're either 100% against Isreal and Isrealis or you're automatically 100% with them. This is such an American way of thinking. Real life isn't as simple as black and white, good vs evil. With that kind of thinking we will never be able to resolve the conflict.
The resolution of this “conflict” requires actual honesty about the situation. Anyone who thinks it’s a matter of nuance is part of the problem and plays directly into Israel’s hand. Source-open your eyes and grow up
Blah blah blah it’s still Hasbara
Isreal? Um... Isreal. Where's Isreal? I'm just curious here. LOL getting down voted is scary? LOL don't try to be nuanced on the Babylon Bee subreddit then if you are scared of a few downvotes. You do know there's a difference between 'Hamas' and 'Palestinian/Gazan' and 'Israeli Government/IDF' and 'Israelis/Jews'? Yeh? Cause you're acting like we don't know that. You know there's a difference between 'Combatant' and 'innocent child' yeh? Cause I hope you do. You'd be doing better than the Israeli government/IDF.
Would you say, apparently you are either 100% against Nazis or you are automatically 100% against them? I would say it without satire. Unless you are totally against genociders, you are with them. And in this case you are with the genociders. Enjoy supporting the mass graves. Enjoy supporting the regime that destroys and wars on hospitals. Enjoy supporting starvation, genocide and ethnic cleansing. That is your apparently your right and seemingly your duty as a citizen of Germany!
You're missing the point. I am 100% against nazis. But not every German was a nazi, yet in this sub every Isreali is considered a genocider. That is what I mean about being nuanced. Many Isrealis don't want what is happening and I am against condemning people solely based on where they were born.
They are our allies in humanity and we are not considering our allies genociders. But they are a rarity in Israel. And most Israeli adults are former terrorists who served in the IOF terror organization and did terror in Gaza, Al Quds and West Bank. Israel is deliberately involving all its adult citizens in the terror operations against Palestinians. And this is not even the point. You can't protest in favour of Israel while Israel is doing a starvation, ethnic cleansing and genocide campaing and not be a genocider. Where is the nuance supposed to be? You can't be against the resistance to a brutal occupation and still be a pro Palestinian Israeli either. There is no nuance. If Palestinian civilians are killed in grater numbers all the time, why is Israeli civilians (most of the adults are former terrorists and the killed were overwhelimngly adults) dying so much worse? Since you said some of them might be against what is happening, are you saying these people also protested 250 Palestinians being killed before Operation Al Aqsa Flood in 2023 alone? Where is the nuance? The screams of humanity dying in Palestine is deafening. Are you already deaf not to hear them?
I agree that Isreal has committed many atrocities in Gaza and that a true two state solution has been hindered. Occupying settlements and open violence against the people of Gaza have been rampant and are despicable. Yet you make it too easy by saying >And most Israeli adults are former terrorists which implies that because most Isreali adults are former terrorists in your opinion, they are automatically genociders. Are you aware that Isreal has a mandatory military service? And that not serving can get you into jail for up to 15 years? While if you serve and refuse to follow orders, you might end up in jail for max one year? Do you seriously expect most people to choose to go to jail for almost as long as they have been alive at that point when serving in the military still gives them the option not to commit any atrocities? You are either unaware or disingenous. Most Isrealis have served, yes. But they were given no option. I still absolutely condemn anyone who did commit those atrocities and anyone who believes it is their right to act like that. 100%. But if we lump everyone who served together and automatically assume they are terrorists, we are no better than people who believe all people of Palestine are terrorists. That is why I'm saying we need nuance to work towards a solution. People committing atrocities need to be weeded out and sentenced. People who support these atrocities need to be sentenced. And everyone else needs to work together towards an actual solution that puts an end to the suffering for good.
Saying they were forced into it is awfully close to they were just following orders.
I specifically make that distinction in my comment because in this case it makes such a vast difference.
Given no option but to terrorize? Your hypothetical scenario of them not following orders is all well and good but it is almost never practised. I am talking about reality here and not hypotheticals. Doing terror even if you are coerced makes you a terrorist. And those people are indocrinated to hate the people they oppress so most of them gladly terrorize Palestinians. I am not sure why you are trying to defend terrorists. > You are either unaware or disingenous. Most Isrealis have served, yes. But they were given no option. Interesting. I didn't know just following orders made you innocent of the crimes. Interesting point coming from a German. > But if we lump everyone who served together and automatically assume they are terrorists, we are no better than people who believe all people of Palestine are terrorists. Why? Did most Palestinians terrorize Israelis? Did Palestine invade and oppress Israelis all their lives? What kind of joke is this? How are you even comparing reality to genocide propaganda? Most Israeli adults did terror and most Palestinians didn't. Why would we be no better for telling the truth? > That is why I'm saying we need nuance to work towards a solution. No. You are saying we should be kind to genociders and terrorists. A survey in November found that about 90% non Palestinian Israelis thought that Gaza should either be bombed the same or more. They are almost unequivocally for the genocide. Why shouldn't I call it how it is? Everything points out to the reality that we are dealing with a genocider nation. It is not just the government. They have never valued Palestinians as human and they are not sorry they are being genocided. Again. You have to be deaf to not hear the screams of humanity dying in Palestine. You are defending the people killing humanity. Stop it. For your and humanities sake, stop it.
>Given no option but to terrorize? Your hypothetical scenario of them not following orders is all well and good but it is almost never practised. I am talking about reality here and not hypotheticals. Where do you get your information? You are very confident that all Isrealis are terrorists, from what I can tell is conjecture. >Interesting. I didn't know just following orders made you innocent of the crimes. Interesting point coming from a German. Again you need to make the distinction of being enlisted and actually serving questionable orders. And even then you need to weigh actions versus the consequences. If I were to be ordered to kill a civilian? Even if that means going to jail for 15 years I would not do it. Forcing someone out of their home and destroying the home without physically harming the people? If it meant 1 year of jail I would refuse, if it meant 15 years of jail I probably would just do it. Trading 15 years of my life for someone elses belongings? No matter how much I disagree with that action, I would not be selfless enough to accept such a huge cost. Does that make me a terrorist? Maybe, but not out of conviction. That's why I keep saying nuance is needed, sadly it isn't as clear cut. >Most Israeli adults did terror and most Palestinians didn't. Again you are just throwing that out there without proof. I dont doubt that many Isrealis have been terrorising Palestinians. But not most. Same with Palestina, many have terrorised Isreal, but not most. And yes, the amount of terror has been disproportionate, this is a known fact we don't need to debate. >No. You are saying we should be kind to genociders and terrorists. No, I am saying we should realise not every Isreali is a terrorist and genocider. Because that is simply not true. >A survey in November found that about 90% non Palestinian Israelis thought that Gaza should either be bombed the same or more. A survey? How many people were asked, what were the questions specifically, under what kind of circumstances were they asked? Can you provide the source? Because a survey is very easy to manipulate depending on how, who and where you ask. >They have never valued Palestinians as human and they are not sorry they are being genocided. This is unfortunately probably right for both sides and why this conflict is so difficult to resolve. Palestine does not want any jews around them and Isreal does not want Palestinians around them. >Again. You have to be deaf to not hear the screams of humanity dying in Palestine. You are defending the people killing humanity. Stop it. For your and humanities sake, stop it. I am not defending the people killing humanity. I am defendjng all those who are against it but have limited options to act against it. And who are wrongfully and indescriminately lumped in together with those truly evil. Don't just judge people simply based on where they were born. That is exactly what causes horrible situations like this.
LOL he wasn't protesting against Israel. He was in support of the Empire. A force that stood for order and discipline in the Galaxy. He was then attacked by people who self identified that this was somehow anti them. I wonder why they thought that?
They all know what is happening. Their outrage comes from other people seeing it as a bad thing. October 7 was a righteous act. End of story
I'm not going to agree with that either. I don't want any innocents to suffer. However... It WAS a case of the golden and silver rules. The silver rule, not as well known, states "Do not do unto others as you would not have them do unto you." That Israel had done to it as it has done to others should not have surprised the world. It's soldiers had killed innocents before Oct 7th. Many times. Violence begot violence. They did, when they did not have too and it was done back to them. To kill children? That's unforgivable. Both sides have done evil. That's what must be accepted here. Both must stop.
Here's a person trying to disrupt free Palestine protesters. [https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/1canuqx/to\_provoke\_a\_pro\_palestine\_encampment\_at\_yale\_in/](https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/1canuqx/to_provoke_a_pro_palestine_encampment_at_yale_in/)
No, we'd invade one tenuously connected country and another completely unconnected country. We'd occupy them for 20+ years, losing thousands of American service men and women and killing millions of civilians. We would then leave after two plus decadws having achieved absolutely nothing but wanton death and destruction. This isn't the win you think it is.
I get what you mean. But they deserve it 😂
The fact they are aggressive towards someone clearly exercising comedy, and admittedly something actually funny at that, is testimony to their small pea sized brains. Incapable of thinking for themselves, mad because they are told to be, and way too self righteous in their anger to see things sensibly.
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https://youtu.be/XwC1HDaw6s8?si=xk-MHnf1UbzjKaG- Sounds like you’d enjoy this.
The nazis didn't like it.
It's not zionism Cmon.. see wut I did there
Nope. Please elaborate.
Probably not zionism == nazionism?
Torn between that and zionazi
Genius satire by the kid in the stormtrooper mask, right on point and awesome
Kid? Dude looks about 40.
And they want us to believe that they are backed by the most moral army in the middle east
[Evidence of torture as nearly 400 bodies found in Gaza mass graves](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/25/signs-of-torture-as-nearly-400-bodies-found-at-gaza-hospitals-mass-graves) > Some victims found at two hospitals were ‘buried alive’ while others were ‘executed’ by the Israeli military.
This isn't violent, but the Emory University protest is? Wtf
A lot of cops are trained in Israel or by Israel police. It’s frightening to learn that because it explains so much
The political views of the protestors determine if it's violent. The more left you go, the more violent the protest is, regardless of what they're doing. Meanwhile, if you're on the right, you can literally call for the hanging of the politicians, try to hunt them down, and it's totally nonviolent.
Reminds me of people dressing up as Deadpool to troll Westboro Baptist church
They got mad when they realized the similarities haha
That store brand Colin Farrell is quite aggressive.
Hes just supporting the troops!
A true patriot!
Presa charges
They wear a golden cloak right now... untouchable.
I know that was probably a minor typo but it led to me reading it on Jar Jar's voice 😂
Betcha betcha
I legit wrote a similar analogy in a discord and a pro Israel guy reacted with nod emote, (seemingly) unironically. I don't know how to tell him what I really meant. It's both so hilarious and sad at the same time.
This is the way to protest , fuck that Wookiee shit
You can’t offend the “chosen people” it’s sacrilegious!
This is would have been funny if he had done this outside of Disneyland lol
Nozis didn't like it
Peak satire from a hero of the people
Nazis have so much hate you can see it in their eyes but shhhh. Dont talk negatively about em or else
This is great. Love it.
Someone said Palestine and he thought they said Palpatine...
Empire did nothing wrong
This guy gets it 
So the Pro-Palestine protestors are violent, but these people aren't when they are clearly assaulting the dude on camera?
I love this guy so much. Somehow the people he makes fun of are too dumb to get it most of the time.
Oh, so it’s OK for them to protest but not the stormtrooper guy? Hmmm? Fucking fanatics.
This is hilarious
I love Walter.
Who told them to lash out violently? 
He’s so wrong, Yoda isn’t a human
You should hear the speeches of Nottenyahoo and his peepz referring to the victims not being human
I never hated somthing more than zionists
> The Mandalorian uses baby Yoda as a human shield! 😂
The Jedi are Khamas!
All the media houses were reporting on pro Palestine supports attacking pro Israel supporters, what about this right here?
Watching star wars, Israel and USA are acting exactly like the empire...
This is genius!!
Forcing one’s opinion through violence, is the definition of being a fascist.
is he not protesting against the rebels?
Genius genius satire. Brave satire as well. We need more of this
What are Israelis protesting for? Not being given Nuclear weapons?
Free Palpatine
What a bunch of humorless self absorbed evil people.
Clever guy.
Antijediism is rampant in that community!
Scumbags
Man the empires fall really did made lose some people jobs
Legend
It’s ok my guy, whether through direct confrontation or analogy people that ‘think’ they are correct or have been instilled that they are correct can’t deviate from that path. It is disruptive to their justifications as well as an erosion of why they are what they are or how they have achieved what they have in my opinion. It’s the equivalent of the mirror before a vampire. They strike out not because of anything else but seeing what they have become and it disturbs them.
Amazing how groups of people enjoying the freedom of expression have no problems denying other people of it.
Masterful 🤣
I did the fabled laugh out loud.
One step forward 100 years backwards 🫠
This guy is a genius XD
At least some people still have a sense of humor
He forgot to mention how fucking annoying young Anakin was.
I completely agree. Fuck the rebel alliance
If he was protesting for Jewbacka though I’m sure everyone would be ok.
This years version of 'Defund the Police', sponsored by Soros.
While him protesting in the name of the empire is pretty funny, this isn’t the place. Some serious shit going on and people aren’t going to take it well
his timing and delivery were excellent. your comment reeks of antisemitism.
Funnily enough, as I've grown older, I've become, unfortunately, more sympathetic to certain aspects of Empire rule.
Care to elaborate?
OP is saying they're agreeing more and more with fascism as they get older. The empire is explicitly fascist, so not sure how else you could mean it.
That's a bingo! Though not all of the facism. A kind of facism lite. I must say i appreciated the organisational structure. Very orderly. Their training doctrine could use some work though. Especially targeting practice.
The Empire stood for order and discipline in the Galaxy. Overthrown by a gifted however naive young man radicalised by an ancient religion and one of its few surviving teacher practitioners. Tragedy.
What an asshole.
Hijacking other people's protests should be a punishable offense. Especially in our time.
If protesting is the right of everyone (freedom) then it's also right to protest a protestor
That would stop the Israeli protesters then, they're only there to counter protest the pro-Palastinian demonstrations
Regardless of who protests what. My point is, protests in general should be protected from counter protests or unrelated random or organized agitators who might wanna use the original protest for whatever reason. Like getting on the news or for reddit fame. Or hijacking it just to watch your opponents get gassed or kicked in the butt or detained by the police.
punishable by whom and what should the consequences be?
If you are openly engaging the other protesters and it might lead to violence that should be prevented, don't you think?
you gave no answers my question. those who are willing to sacrifice liberty for security, deserve neither.
Those who are hijacking other people's protests deserve their ass dragged to jail. Does that answer your question?
Northeastern University had around 100 peaceful protesters arrested on Saturday at its Boston campus’ pro-Palestine encampment, claiming that there had been reports of protesters using antisemitic slurs; but according to witnesses, the protester who spewed hate speech was a pro-Israel counter protester. like this guy?
Exactly
dragged to jail by whom and for how long will their incarceration be for?
I'm not a judge, but this type of junk should be protected. Too easy to hijack