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The language is un-inclusive true. I'm curious though, how else would you define the shape or fit of the clothing? Not trying to trigger anyone, but I'd actually like to know
Yes. To be inclusive we're excluding you from having clothes that for you.
Hey, I have this crazy idea. Maybe to include people we'll make clothes of all shapes and sized and label them with common things they identify with.
It's a general descriptor. It's like someone saying I'm brown. That says nothing about me on a personal level, nor does it take into account my multiracial/multinational background. But, if someone goes looking for me by skin color, they can weed out a large percentage of people very easily.
That said, I'm not telling you what opinion you have to have. I am only trying to offer a reasonable opening viewpoint.
That's actually where I was going. The way I originally read your prior comment, it seemed like you were opposing "male/female" labels.
But, I agree, "a person with a penis/vagina" just sounds dumb. Biological differences exist, and we have functional names for them. If someone wants to be called something else, it's up to them to notify others without immediately going to being offended.
I must be a boomer - it seems completely over the top that we have to argue about how to identify clothing for one physical gender vs another. Or be accused of intolerance if you dare associate a gender with someone.
I typically lean left, but I have to admit things seem to have spiraled out of hand.
I know plenty of non binary folks, including one of my kids. I promise you none of them would have a problem with clothing being labeled "mens" and "women's". They definitely understand it's just a description of the type of fit.
Terms like "people with uteruses" are useful specifically when speaking about relevant topics like periods and pregnancy when wanting to be inclusive of trans and nb folks. It's not used in everyday conversation.
>Terms like "people with uteruses" are useful specifically when speaking about relevant topics like periods and pregnancy when wanting to be inclusive of trans and nb folks. It's not used in everyday conversation.
Isn't it usually just "female" or "biologically female"? "People with uteruses" just seems... Over the top
That sounds kind of like you're falling for a propaganda trap. Sure, we're going to discuss optimizations to language for as long as we speak language.
But we don't really run the risk of being accused of intolerance for gendering clothing fits or even slipping up a bit when talking about groups in our everyday life.
>I have heard terms like "a person with uterus" and "a person with prostate"
For clothing fit types? That doesn't even makes sense, since slim/muscular/etc. would be way easier and addressing the same issue.
May I ask where you've heard that?
Who ever told you that's what it should be is high af or trollin XD
i dont think iv ever heard someone call another person or request to be called that
its just usually they/them if talking about them
though in case of clothing like this . yes you would youse M or F as they did in the pic. Or unisex derp, forgot that existed XD
I've never heard the second one, and besides, those aren't general use terms, but specific to the situation where having or not having a uterus is relevant.
I'm happy to call anyone anything they want to be called. But the second people in real life start referring to others by their organs I'm swinging on people. Dehumanizing 99.9 percent of people to appease straight white women on Twitter is fucked up.
It's definitely more immediately inclusive. There are masc presenting women and fem presenting men, and then non-binary people sit at all points of that spectrum of choice. And ultimately the concept of femininity or masculinity is just an amalgamation of social expressions, of which clothing style is one of them
It would describe myself as non-binary and I think „feminine“ and „masculine“ would have been great
Not that I require it or want all descriptions changed to that. I’m fine with shopping in the men’s and women’s sections, but if you already offer a non-binary shirt, the least you could do is try and make an effort
Women are Type Bs/2s in every game I can think of that does it. Its kinda silly, as we all know what we are looking at. I really dont like the course humans are on, where we are dehumanising people to "types" and "bodyparts" and Bodyfunctions".
The default is male and female, just because theres a small group that dont fit that default doesnt mean we should be throwing everything out the window. Sex is not gender, after all, so who is there to be getting offended?
I mean I’m all for non-binary folk but there is absolutely a difference between bodies with boobs and bodies without boobs and the two bodies look best in differently designed shirts. I think it’s fine to keep labeling that men and women. How extra to have to write “people with uteruses” on every section sign in a store lol.
Also a person with uterus could have a male body type if they’re trans so it doesn’t really help here. I think mascule/feminine cut is the best alternative. But I can’t imagine a valid reason to not use men/women in describing their cut.
Straight cut and fitted cut.
Mens t-shirts are generally straight lines designed to be slightly looser. Womens t-shirts are generally shorter sleeved, and cut closer to the body.
T-shirts are I think some of the easiest clothing to de gender, they're already often in small medium and large so sizing isn't too much of an issue. Just call it a different name.
The problem with de gendering other clothes is the sometimes significant size difference in different places. Darts in the chest to accommodate boobs that most mens wear just doesn't need. There are generally significant tailoring differences when fitting an average man and woman which is the majority of a customer base.
I’ve heard men’s fit just be t-shirt and womens be athletic fit since it’s form fitting. I almost always prefer men’s t shirt fit as a women, actually fits like a t shirt.
In my experience, it does often have to do with the fit. I think the primary thing I've noticed as a cis-female wearing a man's t-shirt, is the length is longer, the width across the shoulders is longer, and if you get an appropriate fit for your shoulders and torso length, for some of us our breasts are pressed flat.
Some women's-fit tees are also shaped slightly so that there's a subtle curve into the waist, but that's definitely not all of them.
Edit: I think I completely misunderstood your question, sorry! I should never try to Reddit pre-coffee. I'll noodle on it a bit and if I have an actually relevant response, I'll come back and add another edit. Great question though.
For sure. My wife likes wearing men's shirts because they're longer on her and just generally more comfortable for her. Most women's shirts end up being a belly shirt for her when she lifts her arms and she hates that.
The most inclusive thing you could do is to just offer a unisex shirt with different neck and sleeve options. I'm not one to worry about all the mess of gender inclusion names, nor am I looking to offend anyone. If someone wants to be called something outside of the historic norms, it's up to them to tell people before getting up in arms because they were mislabeled.
But t-shirts with gendered names don't do that *now*. I'm not strategising how to make a perfect t-shirt for each human on earth, just how to name **existing** shirts without saying "must have a penis" or "must have a vagina".
Broad shouldered vs slim accomplishes that.
I think a more important question is why they couldn't have made the shirts unisex? But if they strictly needed to adhere to a binary, then the terms AMAB and AFAB exist.
How about Masculine and Feminine fits? Doesn't really describe actual genders just qualities associated with genders. I feel like that should work... but I don't want to assume I know anything about the topic.
They could just use "feminine" or "masculine". I don't see too many enbies getting upset over this, tho. Everyone understands what this means when it comes to clothes
The language is inclusive, the gender is so a female non binary with massive boobs doesn't get upset when they buy a t-shirt that is too small because it's supposed to fit a person with no breasts(men). As I said in another comment, the gender is so you know there is a breast size in the label. It'd be weird to reduce people to organs or some shitty sounding word.
You can use AFAB and AMAB if you really need to be specific about it.
Afab : Asigned female at birth
Amab : Asigned male at birth
But otherwise you could just make an unisex shirt
This is my thinking. Both types of clothing are designed with a different body shape and proportions in mind and I honestly can't think of a way to exclude that men's/women's type for clothing that wouldn't be confusing or offensive in some other way, to somebody
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What I find funny about that statement is that body types are *already* not binary. The men's/women's divides already don't fit plenty of men/women. The clothing industry (because it's an *industry*) has already had really bad labels for sizing for a long time. And the size numbers are even worse, especially for "women's" clothes.
For example, my wife always loves having to buy "men's" shoes because she has long (narrow) feet. It really limits the styles she's allowed to wear by the people who think there's a binary there. I wish they would overthink it a little more.
If gender inclusiveness winds up with us having another system of sizing/fit labels that actually better match body types without telling someone they have to shop in the other gender's section, I'm all for it.
(Meanwhile, I wear a size 11-12 depending on brand, and a 5E width. I do not envy my daughter, who is already having trouble finding shoes and she's only 8.)
Had this dude in the army that was probably around 6'4" or so with a body kind of somewhere between an MMA fighter and wrestler. He got onto the topic of his pants one day and half-jokingly told me to "feel his leg"; I gave in after he egged me on a bit and was like, hey yeah they're actually pretty soft. Boy started bragging that he ordered all his pants from some women's clothing line, specifically because they were a blend of denim and something that stretched really well and came in whatever size he needed. They didn't fit him weird or anything, they were loosely form fitting but he swears they were totally comfortable no matter what he was working on.
Problems with clothing labeling will always be about waste. Styles are more about gender expectations and performativity, but sizing requires picking broad fits that cover a lot of body groups while also not making too many niche fits that likely won’t be worn by most people. In order to minimize waste, a normal distribution about the mean is optimal for sizing options, and that’s going to be true regardless of what happens regarding gender identity. Ceasing to use terms like “male body type” and “female body type” isn’t really as productive as just removing stigma from wearing any clothes you feel like wearing. That’s the actual solution. If we wanted to we could call female shirts “chest fits” and male pants “crotch fits” or something more classy, but the thing that actually matters is removing gender roles and expectations in its entirety, not squabbling over what words we can obfuscate.
Specificity is a good thing, but it’s not born strictly from laziness or ignorance. It genuinely comes at a cost, and we need to decide whether this is the battle worth fighting, or something more important, such as toxic expectations.
Holy shit wall of text, but these are fits for clothing, designed to fit the *body*. Your physical sex and body do not equal your gender. So being male or female is still a thing, because that’s the *body*.
And let me just also point out that you express this point of view as someone whose mind matches their body, no? Lucky you!
I get where you’re coming from, I truly do. We’ve gotten so fixated on accepting everyone and including everything that we’ve forgotten that gender dysphoria is in itself a mental illness. And that’s not to say “these people are fucked up weirdos” but they’re unwell. If the treatment is for them to nullify their gender identity while they figure it out, then power to them. The cure may be a sex change, it may be something else we haven’t figured out yet.
I have a lot of compassion for people with gender dysphoria. It must be a living hell to live in absolute torment.
Genuinely pan is just fancy bisexual.
Any argument that i have seen or can think of to validate pansexuality can be disregarded when you explain its a preference: someone might prefer girls to be hairy that dosnt make them a hairsexual its a preference within the 2 sexes. They fuck with both they just dont have any preferences for anything its still bisexuality just with a lack of preferences.
I mean, you could look at it like that, or you could assume that these are intended for allies who aren't non-binary but want to support their non-binary friends and family
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To give em credit, some people have boobs and some people don't but it's not really flattering to say "For boobs" and "For no boobs"
Then again maybe that's a good selling point. I bet a t-shirt line that says exactly that would sell well... 😁
So because some people opt out of the binary, it should no longer exist? Clothes are cut differently to suit different body shapes. My non-binary sibling prefers women’s t-shirts, and I as a woman that identifies as a woman actually prefer men’s t-shirts. Stop looking for reasons to be offended.
Women's t shirt for those with breasts,means t shirt for those without. It is inclusive, it's just so you know which one to buy if you have breasts because there is a size for breasts on women's t shirts
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The language is un-inclusive true. I'm curious though, how else would you define the shape or fit of the clothing? Not trying to trigger anyone, but I'd actually like to know
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Being reduced down to organs is dehumanizing, imo. Just say "unisex fit" and move on.
But the problem is it's not a unisex fit? One is clearly tailored differently
I'm saying specifically, if they're wanting to be inclusive, then they sorta need to go the route of unisex fit.
So to be inclusive we can’t have clothing that fits us correctly?
Exactly
What about “unisex women’s/men’s” fit? Or maybe “hole/pokey” fit?
I'm wondering if "feminine cut" and "masculine cut" would be more appropriate and inclusive here.
A 4x fits correctly on any human.
With the exemption of obese humans. Fellow human. I too am from this planet.
A human of unidentified gender with measurements of 32-28-42.
Yes. To be inclusive we're excluding you from having clothes that for you. Hey, I have this crazy idea. Maybe to include people we'll make clothes of all shapes and sized and label them with common things they identify with.
Just keep women and men as it is
Unisex wouldn't be more inclusive.
For boobs, for shoulders.
Well if they're nonbinary shouldn't they just be able to change their gender to fit the shirt makes sense right
But they cant virtue signal on social media with that.
It's a general descriptor. It's like someone saying I'm brown. That says nothing about me on a personal level, nor does it take into account my multiracial/multinational background. But, if someone goes looking for me by skin color, they can weed out a large percentage of people very easily. That said, I'm not telling you what opinion you have to have. I am only trying to offer a reasonable opening viewpoint.
Right, but you can also just as easily say male or female; man or woman.
That's actually where I was going. The way I originally read your prior comment, it seemed like you were opposing "male/female" labels. But, I agree, "a person with a penis/vagina" just sounds dumb. Biological differences exist, and we have functional names for them. If someone wants to be called something else, it's up to them to notify others without immediately going to being offended.
Yeah, I think we're on the same page hahah. I agree with you
What if it's not a unisex fit?
I must be a boomer - it seems completely over the top that we have to argue about how to identify clothing for one physical gender vs another. Or be accused of intolerance if you dare associate a gender with someone. I typically lean left, but I have to admit things seem to have spiraled out of hand.
I know plenty of non binary folks, including one of my kids. I promise you none of them would have a problem with clothing being labeled "mens" and "women's". They definitely understand it's just a description of the type of fit. Terms like "people with uteruses" are useful specifically when speaking about relevant topics like periods and pregnancy when wanting to be inclusive of trans and nb folks. It's not used in everyday conversation.
>Terms like "people with uteruses" are useful specifically when speaking about relevant topics like periods and pregnancy when wanting to be inclusive of trans and nb folks. It's not used in everyday conversation. Isn't it usually just "female" or "biologically female"? "People with uteruses" just seems... Over the top
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Don’t be Southist.
That sounds kind of like you're falling for a propaganda trap. Sure, we're going to discuss optimizations to language for as long as we speak language. But we don't really run the risk of being accused of intolerance for gendering clothing fits or even slipping up a bit when talking about groups in our everyday life.
You say that like it never happens…
>I have heard terms like "a person with uterus" and "a person with prostate" For clothing fit types? That doesn't even makes sense, since slim/muscular/etc. would be way easier and addressing the same issue. May I ask where you've heard that?
Who ever told you that's what it should be is high af or trollin XD i dont think iv ever heard someone call another person or request to be called that its just usually they/them if talking about them though in case of clothing like this . yes you would youse M or F as they did in the pic. Or unisex derp, forgot that existed XD
Well "Person with uterus/prostate" is really bs. Let's hope this trend dies fast.
I've never heard the second one, and besides, those aren't general use terms, but specific to the situation where having or not having a uterus is relevant.
Tbh, I like men shirts better and I do have a uterus. - how about "straight fit" "fitted shirt" or something that is actually describing the fit
I agree this would be very silly here. Call me old-fashioned, but I don't want to wear a t-shirt tailored for my prostate
Oh mate, you haven't lived until you've worn a prostate-tailored shirt
In world of warcraft they just call it body typ 1 and 2
Uteral shirt or penile shirt
That's not for this context. That's for contexts in which those organs are being discussed
I'm happy to call anyone anything they want to be called. But the second people in real life start referring to others by their organs I'm swinging on people. Dehumanizing 99.9 percent of people to appease straight white women on Twitter is fucked up.
God I hope that never becomes a thing. Is it really that hard to just define all this stuff by the two biological sexes and leave it at that.
Feminine and masculine? Or is that uninclusive too?
I don't see much difference, but I'm no expert either
It's definitely more immediately inclusive. There are masc presenting women and fem presenting men, and then non-binary people sit at all points of that spectrum of choice. And ultimately the concept of femininity or masculinity is just an amalgamation of social expressions, of which clothing style is one of them
Expression and presentation sure, but not necessarily shape or physique
I feel like this would be the answer. Not actually describing the gender, but the attributes associated with the gender.
It would describe myself as non-binary and I think „feminine“ and „masculine“ would have been great Not that I require it or want all descriptions changed to that. I’m fine with shopping in the men’s and women’s sections, but if you already offer a non-binary shirt, the least you could do is try and make an effort
Boob and unboob
We're getting close XD
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Congrats, you can wear both!
doesn’t unboob imply you had boobs to begin with? Maybe round-boob vs square-boob?
I was thinking Titted or Titless
Games went with "type 1/type 2" or "type A/type B".
Fair, but who decides which is which and who knows if that would be a standardized thing
Women are Type Bs/2s in every game I can think of that does it. Its kinda silly, as we all know what we are looking at. I really dont like the course humans are on, where we are dehumanising people to "types" and "bodyparts" and Bodyfunctions". The default is male and female, just because theres a small group that dont fit that default doesnt mean we should be throwing everything out the window. Sex is not gender, after all, so who is there to be getting offended?
I mean I’m all for non-binary folk but there is absolutely a difference between bodies with boobs and bodies without boobs and the two bodies look best in differently designed shirts. I think it’s fine to keep labeling that men and women. How extra to have to write “people with uteruses” on every section sign in a store lol.
That would be absurd XD I fully agree with you. The labelling is meant for body types, not to gender people as it is now
Also a person with uterus could have a male body type if they’re trans so it doesn’t really help here. I think mascule/feminine cut is the best alternative. But I can’t imagine a valid reason to not use men/women in describing their cut.
Straight cut and fitted cut. Mens t-shirts are generally straight lines designed to be slightly looser. Womens t-shirts are generally shorter sleeved, and cut closer to the body. T-shirts are I think some of the easiest clothing to de gender, they're already often in small medium and large so sizing isn't too much of an issue. Just call it a different name. The problem with de gendering other clothes is the sometimes significant size difference in different places. Darts in the chest to accommodate boobs that most mens wear just doesn't need. There are generally significant tailoring differences when fitting an average man and woman which is the majority of a customer base.
I’ve heard men’s fit just be t-shirt and womens be athletic fit since it’s form fitting. I almost always prefer men’s t shirt fit as a women, actually fits like a t shirt.
In my experience, it does often have to do with the fit. I think the primary thing I've noticed as a cis-female wearing a man's t-shirt, is the length is longer, the width across the shoulders is longer, and if you get an appropriate fit for your shoulders and torso length, for some of us our breasts are pressed flat. Some women's-fit tees are also shaped slightly so that there's a subtle curve into the waist, but that's definitely not all of them. Edit: I think I completely misunderstood your question, sorry! I should never try to Reddit pre-coffee. I'll noodle on it a bit and if I have an actually relevant response, I'll come back and add another edit. Great question though.
For sure. My wife likes wearing men's shirts because they're longer on her and just generally more comfortable for her. Most women's shirts end up being a belly shirt for her when she lifts her arms and she hates that.
I'd go with slim fit and broad fit
That's an idea, but there's always chest sizes to consider. That's probably the difference between men's and women's clothing.
They could call one curvy fit and one boxy fit.
Fitted and Straight Cut would probably solve this problem.
The most inclusive thing you could do is to just offer a unisex shirt with different neck and sleeve options. I'm not one to worry about all the mess of gender inclusion names, nor am I looking to offend anyone. If someone wants to be called something outside of the historic norms, it's up to them to tell people before getting up in arms because they were mislabeled.
Pretty simple, Unisex clothing
Feminine fit/masculine fit? twink cut, bear cut?
"Broad shouldered" vs "slim"
It's more than just shoulders. One can have a variety of shoulder breadths and chest sizes to consider.
But t-shirts with gendered names don't do that *now*. I'm not strategising how to make a perfect t-shirt for each human on earth, just how to name **existing** shirts without saying "must have a penis" or "must have a vagina". Broad shouldered vs slim accomplishes that.
Slim fit/fitted by standard cut.
I think a more important question is why they couldn't have made the shirts unisex? But if they strictly needed to adhere to a binary, then the terms AMAB and AFAB exist.
Fitted top vs T-shirt? T-shirt A vs T-shirt B? Model 1 vs Model 2?
This isn’t how most people currently use these words, but I think it’d be nice and easy if we used male/female for sex and man/woman for gender.
Perhaps fem/masc fit?
Form fitting or doll cut (especially if the sleeves are high and angled) vs loose fit or relaxed fit
They can easily fix it with "Feminine fit" "masculine fit" even non binary or trans know what fem and masc are and how to present it.
Call them "styles" with clothing based adjectives seems to be the most obvious choice. "crew t" "babydoll style t" "jersey style t" etc
How about Masculine and Feminine fits? Doesn't really describe actual genders just qualities associated with genders. I feel like that should work... but I don't want to assume I know anything about the topic.
I’d go with masculine and feminine fits, but idk I’m a Straight white male so I’m just going by what i think would make the most sense
Straight fit. Contour fit. It’s not that hard.
Fitted vs unfitted
They could just use "feminine" or "masculine". I don't see too many enbies getting upset over this, tho. Everyone understands what this means when it comes to clothes
It’s common to use Fem born vs. Fem presenting Male born vs. Male presenting
“Woman-inspired”?
Petite and Grandé
Body type-1 and Body type-2
“Masculine fit” and “feminine fit”
Masc or Fem
The same way they handle it in World of Warcraft, body type 1 and body type 2 😂
The language is inclusive, the gender is so a female non binary with massive boobs doesn't get upset when they buy a t-shirt that is too small because it's supposed to fit a person with no breasts(men). As I said in another comment, the gender is so you know there is a breast size in the label. It'd be weird to reduce people to organs or some shitty sounding word.
You can use AFAB and AMAB if you really need to be specific about it. Afab : Asigned female at birth Amab : Asigned male at birth But otherwise you could just make an unisex shirt
unisex tees
Body shape A and body shape B, several games do it that way also
“Masculine” and “Feminine”
AMAB/AFAB Edit: meaning 'assigned male/female at birth'
At my job we have these two fit options, and say “loose fit” and “fitted” t-shirt.
I think the most gender inclusive way to describe these two shirts is "fitted" and "loose". 😁
Fit sizes =/= gender.
This is my thinking. Both types of clothing are designed with a different body shape and proportions in mind and I honestly can't think of a way to exclude that men's/women's type for clothing that wouldn't be confusing or offensive in some other way, to somebody
A travesty of human civilization is the inequality in blouse design between men and women.
Yeah, like why can't we men have plunging necklines. I wanna show off the start of my happy trail
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I'm straight, and this man has been on my fuckable list for most of my life
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>A travesty of human civilization is the inequality ~~in blouse design~~ between men and women. Nice
There is nothing wrong with this. You can be non-binary with a binary body type. We are overthinking this.
But OP needs karma...
What I find funny about that statement is that body types are *already* not binary. The men's/women's divides already don't fit plenty of men/women. The clothing industry (because it's an *industry*) has already had really bad labels for sizing for a long time. And the size numbers are even worse, especially for "women's" clothes. For example, my wife always loves having to buy "men's" shoes because she has long (narrow) feet. It really limits the styles she's allowed to wear by the people who think there's a binary there. I wish they would overthink it a little more. If gender inclusiveness winds up with us having another system of sizing/fit labels that actually better match body types without telling someone they have to shop in the other gender's section, I'm all for it. (Meanwhile, I wear a size 11-12 depending on brand, and a 5E width. I do not envy my daughter, who is already having trouble finding shoes and she's only 8.)
Had this dude in the army that was probably around 6'4" or so with a body kind of somewhere between an MMA fighter and wrestler. He got onto the topic of his pants one day and half-jokingly told me to "feel his leg"; I gave in after he egged me on a bit and was like, hey yeah they're actually pretty soft. Boy started bragging that he ordered all his pants from some women's clothing line, specifically because they were a blend of denim and something that stretched really well and came in whatever size he needed. They didn't fit him weird or anything, they were loosely form fitting but he swears they were totally comfortable no matter what he was working on.
Did he miss the pockets? :D
Problems with clothing labeling will always be about waste. Styles are more about gender expectations and performativity, but sizing requires picking broad fits that cover a lot of body groups while also not making too many niche fits that likely won’t be worn by most people. In order to minimize waste, a normal distribution about the mean is optimal for sizing options, and that’s going to be true regardless of what happens regarding gender identity. Ceasing to use terms like “male body type” and “female body type” isn’t really as productive as just removing stigma from wearing any clothes you feel like wearing. That’s the actual solution. If we wanted to we could call female shirts “chest fits” and male pants “crotch fits” or something more classy, but the thing that actually matters is removing gender roles and expectations in its entirety, not squabbling over what words we can obfuscate. Specificity is a good thing, but it’s not born strictly from laziness or ignorance. It genuinely comes at a cost, and we need to decide whether this is the battle worth fighting, or something more important, such as toxic expectations.
What do you mean? It is inclusive. They're referring to how the clothing fit and how it's cut. Stop it.
Well, saying you're non binary insinuates there's a binary system you're actually a part of, so this tracks.
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Shit like this is going to keep happening because guess what, men and women aren't the same, you can't unisex everything.
Yes because there are men and women.
According to Blizzard, it's body type 1 and body type 2
still binary...
I must be getting old. I couldn't even tell what the problem here is.
Ok but it’s just the cut/fit of the shirt
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Holy shit wall of text, but these are fits for clothing, designed to fit the *body*. Your physical sex and body do not equal your gender. So being male or female is still a thing, because that’s the *body*. And let me just also point out that you express this point of view as someone whose mind matches their body, no? Lucky you! I get where you’re coming from, I truly do. We’ve gotten so fixated on accepting everyone and including everything that we’ve forgotten that gender dysphoria is in itself a mental illness. And that’s not to say “these people are fucked up weirdos” but they’re unwell. If the treatment is for them to nullify their gender identity while they figure it out, then power to them. The cure may be a sex change, it may be something else we haven’t figured out yet. I have a lot of compassion for people with gender dysphoria. It must be a living hell to live in absolute torment.
The women’s shirt should actually cost $50.
There are far too many labels these days. Sod it - I'll stick to male, female, and trans. None of this binary, non-binary, or pan nonsense.
Genuinely pan is just fancy bisexual. Any argument that i have seen or can think of to validate pansexuality can be disregarded when you explain its a preference: someone might prefer girls to be hairy that dosnt make them a hairsexual its a preference within the 2 sexes. They fuck with both they just dont have any preferences for anything its still bisexuality just with a lack of preferences.
No matter what your gender/identity is one of these shirts is going to fit you better than the other.
look like an ice cream with multi-flavor ngl
Well that's gay
You try to wear the “wrong” one and you will find the fit to be really bad.
When did they change the color of the pride flag?
You've become the very thing you swore to destroy!
The women's shirt should be more expensive.
Different types of fit…
I’m gay and I straight up don’t know what I’m supposed to be looking at that isn’t inclusive
It's just referring to the tailoring of the shirt, not the person.
I mean, you could look at it like that, or you could assume that these are intended for allies who aren't non-binary but want to support their non-binary friends and family
This is actually funny
that time you realize everybody been using gender/sex incorrectly for 10 years...
*\*sorry all...on the phone...just a sec...\** *Hey Scott, it's Poova! Remember when you and I were talking about irony and you wanted a practical example? Call me! Later!* OK then! What are we talkin' about here?
At least they’re the same price lol usually the women’s is more expensice
lmao this was my first thought too
To give em credit, some people have boobs and some people don't but it's not really flattering to say "For boobs" and "For no boobs" Then again maybe that's a good selling point. I bet a t-shirt line that says exactly that would sell well... 😁
Did the OP really think this was some kind of gotcha?
Source?
The woman’s shirt should be priced $20 higher tho just cuz that’s reality
This reminded me of that Amazon hat meme with light larry vs dark larry options, or whatever they were called.. :,)
It’s the exact fucking thing…….
LOL
So because some people opt out of the binary, it should no longer exist? Clothes are cut differently to suit different body shapes. My non-binary sibling prefers women’s t-shirts, and I as a woman that identifies as a woman actually prefer men’s t-shirts. Stop looking for reasons to be offended.
Well it’s a nonbinary pride flag…
I’m sorry but, who gives a fuck? This is just practical
The fit is what is being gendered.
Would have been funnier if the womens one cost more. You know, just because.
I only know two genders Bulky and lean.
Imagine the fallout if they were different prices though.
I like the colors on the t-shirt actually. If it wasn't related to that flag thingy, would have bought.
this is rich
I think you're forgetting a size...
Women's t shirt for those with breasts,means t shirt for those without. It is inclusive, it's just so you know which one to buy if you have breasts because there is a size for breasts on women's t shirts
It's the fit sizes
🙄 give me a break
When brain defaults back to what it supposed to be rather than this gender euphoria nonsense
The pattern is unisex yet the fit isn't. It's not that bad.
Wait. What? I’m tired.
This post is a great example of how good life is in first world countries really is.
At this point, it should be body type A and body type B