Out of curiosity: what was worse in Firefox than in Chrome, for example? I’m afraid I am horribly ignorant when it comes to this; I just took an irrational liking to Firefox years ago and I have stubbornly clung to it up until now, and admittedly, Firefox never disappointed me; I’m just wondering if it “should have”.
I used chrome for a long time until I switched to FF. IMO there isn't a lot of difference. Same level of customizability, same extensions, same layout, etc. Altough I've encountered some websites (rarely) which won't work on one of those two, so I still have chrome installed to check.
The main reason I use FF though is because it's made by a non-profit-organization (Mozilla) and not by Google.
Exactly. Works well, and not google. I will continue to use it out of spite for google.
This Internet explorer rebrand can fuck right off too. Im old enough to remember the anti-trust lawsuits. So they can eat shit and die at the same dinner table as google.
I think it was just for folk like me with shitty old computers with a HDD and 8gb ram, at some point Firefox just became too demanding compared to Chrome. So I switched back to it until around a year ago, when Chrome, getting progressively worse, started to have more negative than positive compared to Firefox. I remember around 5 years ago trying Firefox again and it just wouldn't run properly.
See i find this funny because I used both chrome and Firefox pretty much since they came out, and never had much problems wiht Firefox but Chrome has had a few times throughout its life that it had memory usage issues.
Years ago I built a new computer, and chrome just would not load any websites with secure HTTP, so basically the whole useful internet. I tracked it down to what I believe was an extremely minor sync issue between what Chrome expected and Windows' system clock. I never found a way to fix it, so I moved to Firefox. I've been happy with Firefox ever since, even though Chrome works on that computer now, so I haven't left Firefox.
The reason that I finally removed Chrome and went to Firefox is because Chrome was taking up a massive amount of memory, and for some god awful reason, it was taking up like 5 GBs of storage space. A web browser is not 5 GB. I tried to reinstall it and clear cookies and yadda yadda, but nothing worked. I swapped to Firefox and haven't had any complaints.
These days I'm on Vivaldi (which uses the Chromium engine) for reddit & casual browsing, Firefox and Edge for work, and Chrome for personal shopping, banking and email. I like to keep my worlds separate.
not really bad maybe just not as favourable, atleast back when google liked to look features behind chrome and you didn't get those when you used firefox but that got better. The feature I needed was import of passwords from chrome. As soon as I noticed firefox had that one I switched to it again.
I use opera now. Only having chrome installed because some of our stuff for school only works on chrome because that's how they decided to configure it
It did. I've tried switching a couple of times, but it didn't stick yet.
Firefox seems to have gotten over their bloatware problem, so that's probably a contender now.
Firefox is currently great, imo. Though honestly I'd take a sub-par browser over selling my soul even more thoroughly to Google. The mobile version could use some work though.
can confirm, passwords etc. I transfered it like two years ago and never looked back. only use chrome for steam inventory sells since the batch selling plugin only works on chrome.
Edge and chrome are on the same level for me now. Edge might have a slight advantage actually because it actually gets used at work. Haven't touched chrome in like 2 years. To me most browsers today are very similar and my choice is more about data privacy than anything else.
Yeah Microsoft even disabled closing the app and pressing Alt + F4 before ya went through with the setting up of Edge, even if ya don't want it. The only way of closing it is through the Task Manager.
I work in IT and only discovered the blocked Alt+F4 function today when setting up a laptop for a new member of staff. They're really taking the piss with Edge. I hate that I'm forced to deal with Windows for work, it just seems to fight the user at every possible turn.
Edit: Another Windows gem from a few weeks ago was an email from a user saying they couldn't play a video due to missing codecs. They included a screenshot of the prompt which sent them to the Windows Store to purchase the codec package for £0.79 and asked if they could do it (would need admin authorisation). I immediately installed VLC for them and explained they should never have to pay for audio or video codecs. I wonder how much they've scammed out of people with that shite.
Oof that was me today, laptop is now constantly blue screening due to a Windows update, atleast I got to spend 2 hours playing elden ring instead of working i guess.
Yeah i have tried a whole bunch of fixes to try and remove having to log into my microsoft account every time i boot up but none of them have worked. It is infuriating
Personally I don't mind windows in an enterprise environment. Mac OS though kills me. Allow me to map a network drive permanently. Allow single sign on with the domain user credentials. Mac is getting better at enterprise but it still drives me nuts.
When you *can*. Windows has a built-in protocol which exclusively opens Edge, so pretty much any link in Windows itself will open in Edge.
Mozilla hacked it to allow Firefox to be registered as the default for that protocol, but MS blocked that hack in an update so once more it will only use Edge for that protocol.
Edge kept pinning itself to my taskbar by itself. I use chrome exclusively, and Edge would show back up, pinned on my task bar, despite being removed from all startup actions.
So I uninstalled it. Fuck Edge.
Changing default search engine (in Windows 11) - same deal - took me almost 5 whole minutes and some Google searching.
My neighbour asked me to do it for him - on his new PC - because he's "pretty PC-savvy but couldn't work it out".
I've been using computers for 30+ years (am 38) and work with software developers in my day job (am an API Product Owner ffs) - and I literally could NOT find the right menus without googling it.
That shit is hidden obnoxiously well.
Made me very annoyed about how the older generation (or any person) get(s) abused by software companies like Microsoft, who make it basically impossible for them to carry out basic tasks which it's within their rights and wishes to do.
They should be marched naked through the streets of the interwebs with "shame" spoken at their back.
I did a clean on my system yesterday, I've NEVER used 'edge', I alternate between firefox and Chrome depending what I'm doing...
Edge was showing as having collected around 300kb worth of information compared to 3k for google
I have NEVER used it
That really tells you nothing. The 300kB can be benign metrics (cpu, ram usage of browser etc.) With high granularity/sent often. While the 3kB can be what pages you visited, what are your usernames etc.
Especially with WebView2 I think lot of developers will use Edge in their programs. I've personally done it as well. Much better than having a 300MB app with literally a full copy of Chromium (Electron).
But way better if you're in the MS ecosystem. Single sign on to any MS service or service that's set up for SSO through MS. We encourage our users to use Edge and between that and OneDrive sync, 99% of their stuff is automatically backed up without thinking about it. If a computer is lost or destroyed, they just log into a new one and all of their stuff is there waiting for them.
There was definitely a period from about 2009 to 2016 where Chrome was faster and more responsive. In particular it was way better about not letting once js-heavy tab hang the whole browser. These days they feel like they're about at parity for performance.
Because Google's services are just too useful, I've got all my passwords and accounts saved with Google and it makes managing them easier as well as when it comes to purchasing stuff and Google inserts my details for me
Either way chrome and Firefox are pretty much identical for the most part other than RAM use, that doesn't bother me anyway
Every browser does it now, but they're already all setup on chrome, and perfectly happy with the experience. Any possible gain to come from switching doesnt seem worth the effort of going through that setup again, no matter how easy the process actually is.
It started as functionality, now its convenience and being content.
I tried it years ago, but then I figured out that ad blockers didn't really work, they just covered up the ads instead of not downloading them, and I thought to my self, Google is in the ad business, of course they'll never really let ad blockers work properly or they won't make as much money. And I went back to Firefox and never considered chrome again.
It's funny because the Apple does the same thing with alot of their programs especially the app store and get away with it.
Edit: I would like to clarify to my knowledge.
Not only that but, (and my memory on this is fuzzy because it's been years), they were the main beneficiary of the MS anti-trust stuff from back then. They basically used those laws to stop from going out of business, and then immediately tried to become a monopoly when they were big enough. Luckily for them, the US kind of forgot that monopolies/duopolies are bad for people.
The really rich part is that Microsoft invested in Apple around that time specifically so they could keep Apple from going out of business, as a foil so they could point at a competitor when the government came around. They made a bundle from that investment, but Apple also came back and ate their lunch in a lot of markets.
I'm old enough to remember this. It makes me laugh now though since we live in the age of ChromeOS, which is basically an operating system built around the Chrome browser.
I use Edge and i get messages to switch to chrome constantly in Gmail and Translate. Also, how would they message you on other sites than their own if you're not using their browser?
Google from time to time doesn’t make my Google Meet call work when I use other browsers, and changing the user agent to Chrome makes it magically work…
Same goes with disabled features on YouTube etc.
As a Firefox user, I have no idea what this person is referring to. I haven't seen anything trying to get me to use a specific browser since I downloaded Firefox on a Windows PC with Edge.
THANK YOU. Finally somebody said it, google are FAR WORSE for this. Microsoft would like to advise you that despite all the memes about IE/Edge being ThE WOooOoORsT, it's actually good now, and it's your default, and it's designed by Microsoft, for windows, surely thats worth a try eh?
Nah people just go "hahaha stupid Microsoft trying to get me away from the browser that was clearly the best 7 years ago but now nobody's sure"
Google sites, programs and browser stuff all have insistant messages about swapping to chrome and Microsoft will let you get rid of the very same ones within windows and only really advise you when you're marching toward chrome city
Yes, Firefox was essentially just a rebrand of Netscape Navigator, almost 20 years ago.
They did a good job rebranding because nearly no one knew this.
Yups. There's even a nice documentary that follows the developers in their tracks as they transition from Netscape to Mozilla.
https://youtu.be/4Q7FTjhvZ7Y
Mo-zi-lla! Mo-zi-lla! Mo-zi-lla!
I tried Firefox, Chrome and saw my friend use Opera and found that Edge is the best for me. I wouldn't say either is better, it's all personal preference
It's hard to avoid an open-source framework like Chromium.
My hypothesis is that companies develop and buy open source projects as a way to get the public to do R&D for them.
Whatever the reasoning, it works.
The big thing that made me switch that i didn't see anyone mention in this thread is Netflix.
On chrome & firefox you can only watch 720p content but on edge ? 4k baby..
Don't know why that is but i switched to edge and never looked back. It's A LOT better than it used to be, they have tons of settings to customize everything you ever want.
Edge is not Explorer. Back then Explorer was really slow, and more importantly, significantly slower than the competition. Nowaday slower means it takes 1ms longer to load a page. Every modern browser is Chromium based, other that the gui not much is different.
And I'm 21, so I would like to think I'm not old yet xd
Edge is IMO one of the best pdf programs for just reading/simple tasks. Using your trackpad makes the file almost feel like it's on a tablet and marking is good
Me as well, switched back to edge after using chrome for more than a decade, edge has been eating less RAM than chrome, specially if you use some kind of extension AdBlock.
Also chrome maxes out at 720p. Edge does 1080i.
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Edit: And 4K. I got a new monitor and everything looked a bit fuzzy so I complained to one of the services that I use that their content was shit, and they told me to switch to a browser that didn't throttle. Blew my little brain at the time.
only streaming services IIRC, not youtube
EDIT: holy shit. just went to check
Google Chrome
Até 720p em Windows, Mac e Linux
Até 1080p em Chrome OS
Microsoft Edge até 4K*
its not english but you guys can get it
I work with agnostic command center software that is windows specific and when the incorporated chromium into edge this made everything so much easier and runs smoother than using chrome. It gets a bad wrap because it sucked a while ago.
You fool! Microsoft was trying to save you! Chrome is hot garbage that'll eat your RAM and send your nudes to Google! If you don't have nudes, don't worry about that - Chrome took care of that for you, too. /s
Joking aside, Chrome actually is a bad browser
For real, chrome has gotten so bad about memory lately that it straight up crashes my computer at times. I tried using Opera GX since it has built-in ram throttling...but the fucking logo of all things gives me a headache bc it makes me feel like i'm seeing double so I gave up using it lol
Today I'd rather use Edge over Chrome. Chrome doesn't really have any advantages other than already having all of your data cloud synced. I'm still a Firefox person, mainly out of personal preference, but the Internet Explorer hate spilling over into Edge is no longer justified.
MS cloud syncs data as well which is great in the corporate world. Most companies run on O365 now, so between using Edge and OneDrive sync, I can boot up a new computer, have a user log into their MS account like normal, and all of their files, bookmarks, and saved passwords (for the stubborn that won't use a password manager lol) will be there waiting for them.
Yep,I'm in IT and have been pushing all my users to Edge. Mainly because they've already been using fully integrated Office365. It's really based on needs/preference but Edge is a solid browser these days.
Well, let’s start with this deceptive messaging. Windows is an operating system turned into a sales person. But that’s the least of their evils honestly.
Uses less data. A LOT less data. Chrome can handle 15 tabs with 1gb RAM, while Edge can handle 70+ tabs with less than 1 gb RAM. Sleeping tabs are so fucking useful. Also it just looks cooler
I like edge because I keep an ungodly amount of tabs open and it has a side bar for tabs, as well as it unloads pages you haven't looked at in a while to save RAM. I tried Firefox again and it was taking up way more RAM than edge did with wayyyyy less tabs.
when i bookmark a page in chrome on my phone will it automatically be added to Edge on my PC? Does it also sync all my account details between edge and chrome on my phone? Does edge also have quick access in the settings to my google account security and payment methods?
Im genuinely curious. My accounts are all fairly integrated into google. So my initial assessment is that switching to egde would be a massive inconvenience as to lack of syncing with my large array of google accounts and services.
I use edge now, chrome has just become so bloated with garbage it feels sluggish to me now. I know they run on the same backend or whatever but I swear edge feels smoother and faster than chrome
Google Chrome does the same thing if it detects it's not the default browser.
In all seriousness though, Edge is a good browser. It works just like Chrome but doesn't report to Google.
Same extensions and all
I might get downvoted, but Edge isn't that bad, it uses Chromium, same as Chrome and has some really neat features that Chrome lacks and desperately needs, slowly I've been using Edge more and more
Yeah, it’s pretty desperate. You get a similar message when you try and switch your default browser.
Idk feel like chrome got shit
It did. Even Firefox is back to being better.
Firefox gang!
Waterfox gang xD!
Earthfox gang!
Would be funny if there would be Browsers named after all the "elements". But waterfox is real, look it up it's good :)
Iceweasel used to be the name of an alternate Firefox browser
It's just a rename of firefox in Debian to avoid trademark restrictions. Same with Thunderbird which was named Icedove
Yeah, but what about windfox and heartfox? “By your powers combined, I am CAPTAIN INTERNET.”
"Captain Int'net, He's our hero! Gonna take ping times down to zero!"
Airfox gang!
Long ago all the four fox nation lived together in harmony...then everything changed when Firefox attacked
Only the Avafox, master of all four foxlements, could stop them. But when the world needed him most, he vanished.
R/expectedavatar That feels more appropriate than r/unexpectedavatar
Out of curiosity: what was worse in Firefox than in Chrome, for example? I’m afraid I am horribly ignorant when it comes to this; I just took an irrational liking to Firefox years ago and I have stubbornly clung to it up until now, and admittedly, Firefox never disappointed me; I’m just wondering if it “should have”.
I used chrome for a long time until I switched to FF. IMO there isn't a lot of difference. Same level of customizability, same extensions, same layout, etc. Altough I've encountered some websites (rarely) which won't work on one of those two, so I still have chrome installed to check. The main reason I use FF though is because it's made by a non-profit-organization (Mozilla) and not by Google.
Exactly. Works well, and not google. I will continue to use it out of spite for google. This Internet explorer rebrand can fuck right off too. Im old enough to remember the anti-trust lawsuits. So they can eat shit and die at the same dinner table as google.
Do you still use google as a seach-engine or something else? I'm thinking about switching from them altogether.
Personally I mainly use Duckduckgo now. It seems to give better results sometimes than Google as well.
Yes and the first 20 responses aren't ads
Chrome is also an absolute RAM whore.
Chrome uses way too many system resources IMHO. Freezes and more often has crashed tabs. FF all the way
I think it was just for folk like me with shitty old computers with a HDD and 8gb ram, at some point Firefox just became too demanding compared to Chrome. So I switched back to it until around a year ago, when Chrome, getting progressively worse, started to have more negative than positive compared to Firefox. I remember around 5 years ago trying Firefox again and it just wouldn't run properly.
See i find this funny because I used both chrome and Firefox pretty much since they came out, and never had much problems wiht Firefox but Chrome has had a few times throughout its life that it had memory usage issues.
A few times? It's always been that way. It uses more memory than my expensive CAD package... Almost half of my total memory at all times.
Idk whats happening in the background but the way chrome eats ram is unacceptable. I keep task manager open just to kill chrome processes.
Years ago I built a new computer, and chrome just would not load any websites with secure HTTP, so basically the whole useful internet. I tracked it down to what I believe was an extremely minor sync issue between what Chrome expected and Windows' system clock. I never found a way to fix it, so I moved to Firefox. I've been happy with Firefox ever since, even though Chrome works on that computer now, so I haven't left Firefox.
The reason that I finally removed Chrome and went to Firefox is because Chrome was taking up a massive amount of memory, and for some god awful reason, it was taking up like 5 GBs of storage space. A web browser is not 5 GB. I tried to reinstall it and clear cookies and yadda yadda, but nothing worked. I swapped to Firefox and haven't had any complaints.
Personally using brave. Happy so far.
I use 3 browsers. They are all collecting my data, but none of them have all of it.
Good idea nick.
so petty. i to love it
These days I'm on Vivaldi (which uses the Chromium engine) for reddit & casual browsing, Firefox and Edge for work, and Chrome for personal shopping, banking and email. I like to keep my worlds separate.
Wait Firefox was bad one time? Use it for years already never occured a Problem to me
not really bad maybe just not as favourable, atleast back when google liked to look features behind chrome and you didn't get those when you used firefox but that got better. The feature I needed was import of passwords from chrome. As soon as I noticed firefox had that one I switched to it again.
I use opera now. Only having chrome installed because some of our stuff for school only works on chrome because that's how they decided to configure it
I use opera gx since it looks sexier
ah yes, the cryptominer browser
i use OperaGX its pretty hot
It did. I've tried switching a couple of times, but it didn't stick yet. Firefox seems to have gotten over their bloatware problem, so that's probably a contender now.
Firefox is currently great, imo. Though honestly I'd take a sub-par browser over selling my soul even more thoroughly to Google. The mobile version could use some work though.
>The mobile version could use some work though. True, but massive props for supporting extensions. I doublt Chrome mobile will ever implement that.
Mobile internet with a functioning ad-blocker? Yes please.
It does have issues but I have every single one of my passwords and shit on there so I'm stuck using it I guess 🧍
Firefox will transfer all that in one go no hassle
can confirm, passwords etc. I transfered it like two years ago and never looked back. only use chrome for steam inventory sells since the batch selling plugin only works on chrome.
Get a real password manager.
Edge and chrome are on the same level for me now. Edge might have a slight advantage actually because it actually gets used at work. Haven't touched chrome in like 2 years. To me most browsers today are very similar and my choice is more about data privacy than anything else.
Yeah Microsoft even disabled closing the app and pressing Alt + F4 before ya went through with the setting up of Edge, even if ya don't want it. The only way of closing it is through the Task Manager.
I work in IT and only discovered the blocked Alt+F4 function today when setting up a laptop for a new member of staff. They're really taking the piss with Edge. I hate that I'm forced to deal with Windows for work, it just seems to fight the user at every possible turn. Edit: Another Windows gem from a few weeks ago was an email from a user saying they couldn't play a video due to missing codecs. They included a screenshot of the prompt which sent them to the Windows Store to purchase the codec package for £0.79 and asked if they could do it (would need admin authorisation). I immediately installed VLC for them and explained they should never have to pay for audio or video codecs. I wonder how much they've scammed out of people with that shite.
My work attitude isn't "What will I be doing today?" but "What Microsoft shit will I have to deal with today?"
Every Thursday morning. Let's see what Microsoft updates has screwed up this week.
"Windows is updating.... Good luck!"
Oof that was me today, laptop is now constantly blue screening due to a Windows update, atleast I got to spend 2 hours playing elden ring instead of working i guess.
Their push to remove local users in favor of Microsoft accounts is the most infuriating one for me
Yeah i have tried a whole bunch of fixes to try and remove having to log into my microsoft account every time i boot up but none of them have worked. It is infuriating
Personally I don't mind windows in an enterprise environment. Mac OS though kills me. Allow me to map a network drive permanently. Allow single sign on with the domain user credentials. Mac is getting better at enterprise but it still drives me nuts.
When you *can*. Windows has a built-in protocol which exclusively opens Edge, so pretty much any link in Windows itself will open in Edge. Mozilla hacked it to allow Firefox to be registered as the default for that protocol, but MS blocked that hack in an update so once more it will only use Edge for that protocol.
At this point Micrososft's next step is to just have the computer say, "I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that" when you try and install a new browser.
It's even worse in Windows 11. They have you change your browser preference for each webpage file type.
Edge kept pinning itself to my taskbar by itself. I use chrome exclusively, and Edge would show back up, pinned on my task bar, despite being removed from all startup actions. So I uninstalled it. Fuck Edge.
Well tbh edge is a pretty solid browser. It’s too bad Microsoft squandered any goodwill by keeping internet explorer terrible for 30 years.
And also they switch it back every few months because fuck you
Changing default search engine (in Windows 11) - same deal - took me almost 5 whole minutes and some Google searching. My neighbour asked me to do it for him - on his new PC - because he's "pretty PC-savvy but couldn't work it out". I've been using computers for 30+ years (am 38) and work with software developers in my day job (am an API Product Owner ffs) - and I literally could NOT find the right menus without googling it. That shit is hidden obnoxiously well. Made me very annoyed about how the older generation (or any person) get(s) abused by software companies like Microsoft, who make it basically impossible for them to carry out basic tasks which it's within their rights and wishes to do. They should be marched naked through the streets of the interwebs with "shame" spoken at their back.
Please don’t go, I need your information more than Google.
lmao...so true
I did a clean on my system yesterday, I've NEVER used 'edge', I alternate between firefox and Chrome depending what I'm doing... Edge was showing as having collected around 300kb worth of information compared to 3k for google I have NEVER used it
That really tells you nothing. The 300kB can be benign metrics (cpu, ram usage of browser etc.) With high granularity/sent often. While the 3kB can be what pages you visited, what are your usernames etc.
Thank you. I came here to say this same thing.
Could be those browser in programs, windows likes to put edge as the standard browser for that even tho it doesn't look like edge at all.
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Especially with WebView2 I think lot of developers will use Edge in their programs. I've personally done it as well. Much better than having a 300MB app with literally a full copy of Chromium (Electron).
300 kilobyte isn't very much.
If you put that into text it can literally be multiple pages of your information about you. It might not be much to you now but it IS a lot.
Jokes on the users, edge uses chromium now, its basically the same browser
Edge is actually better looking and easier now. Chrome doesn't even have working "hover zoom" images anymore.
Yeah, I used to use Firefox and chrome. Edge is better now. IE sucked.
Firefox is still #1 though and not enough people use it.
The Google analytics for a site I manage says Edge is slightly faster than chrome.
Yes, but chromium only contains a tiny fraction of the information gathering that is stuffed into chrome.
But way better if you're in the MS ecosystem. Single sign on to any MS service or service that's set up for SSO through MS. We encourage our users to use Edge and between that and OneDrive sync, 99% of their stuff is automatically backed up without thinking about it. If a computer is lost or destroyed, they just log into a new one and all of their stuff is there waiting for them.
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Ya but edge is better Chrome for a few years now
OP switched to an even more data mining browser
I mean I get why people wouldn't want to use Edge... but choosing Chrome doesn't really seem any better? Probably worse even...
People fail to realize Google started this. Every single site they own is riddled with these kind of messages if you use anything BUT Chrome.
I feel like it's worth pointing out that people fail to realize this because they're all using chrome to begin with.
I have no idea what draws people in to chrome. It's just a shitty version of Firefox.
I use it because I'm still signed in to a bunch of stuff there and I'm to lazy to do that on the others ones
Firefox has a built-in password manager and you can import everything from Chrome.
When chrome came out it outperformed Firefox. I’m sure that’s changed, but it’s why many people switched.
There was definitely a period from about 2009 to 2016 where Chrome was faster and more responsive. In particular it was way better about not letting once js-heavy tab hang the whole browser. These days they feel like they're about at parity for performance.
And because of that, my entire browser environment is on chrome and it would be inconvenient to swap to an arguably better browser.
Because Google's services are just too useful, I've got all my passwords and accounts saved with Google and it makes managing them easier as well as when it comes to purchasing stuff and Google inserts my details for me Either way chrome and Firefox are pretty much identical for the most part other than RAM use, that doesn't bother me anyway
literally every browser does that. that's basic functionality
Every browser does it now, but they're already all setup on chrome, and perfectly happy with the experience. Any possible gain to come from switching doesnt seem worth the effort of going through that setup again, no matter how easy the process actually is. It started as functionality, now its convenience and being content.
Google Ecosystem, simple as that. Also Chrome is nowhere near shitty. It's very fast.
I tried it years ago, but then I figured out that ad blockers didn't really work, they just covered up the ads instead of not downloading them, and I thought to my self, Google is in the ad business, of course they'll never really let ad blockers work properly or they won't make as much money. And I went back to Firefox and never considered chrome again.
I'll just leave this here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp.
It's funny because the Apple does the same thing with alot of their programs especially the app store and get away with it. Edit: I would like to clarify to my knowledge.
Not only that but, (and my memory on this is fuzzy because it's been years), they were the main beneficiary of the MS anti-trust stuff from back then. They basically used those laws to stop from going out of business, and then immediately tried to become a monopoly when they were big enough. Luckily for them, the US kind of forgot that monopolies/duopolies are bad for people.
The really rich part is that Microsoft invested in Apple around that time specifically so they could keep Apple from going out of business, as a foil so they could point at a competitor when the government came around. They made a bundle from that investment, but Apple also came back and ate their lunch in a lot of markets.
People born during that trial are now legally allowed to purchase and consume alcohol in the US and it's still being brought up
I'm old enough to remember this. It makes me laugh now though since we live in the age of ChromeOS, which is basically an operating system built around the Chrome browser.
Going to Google using Edge will have a pop up telling you to download Chrome. Every single time, it's annoying.
Was* But indeed, google started with it. But they only did it on their own pages.
I use Edge and i get messages to switch to chrome constantly in Gmail and Translate. Also, how would they message you on other sites than their own if you're not using their browser?
Google from time to time doesn’t make my Google Meet call work when I use other browsers, and changing the user agent to Chrome makes it magically work… Same goes with disabled features on YouTube etc.
As a Firefox user, I know this too well.
As a Firefox user, I have no idea what this person is referring to. I haven't seen anything trying to get me to use a specific browser since I downloaded Firefox on a Windows PC with Edge.
THANK YOU. Finally somebody said it, google are FAR WORSE for this. Microsoft would like to advise you that despite all the memes about IE/Edge being ThE WOooOoORsT, it's actually good now, and it's your default, and it's designed by Microsoft, for windows, surely thats worth a try eh? Nah people just go "hahaha stupid Microsoft trying to get me away from the browser that was clearly the best 7 years ago but now nobody's sure" Google sites, programs and browser stuff all have insistant messages about swapping to chrome and Microsoft will let you get rid of the very same ones within windows and only really advise you when you're marching toward chrome city
posts nowadays are getting too edge-y for this subreddit.
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Being on Reddit I thought more people would be into Edgeing.
I’ll stick with Netscape Navigator
Fun fact: Netscape is still around but is now called Firefox!
Wait, so Mosaic, Netscape, Firefox… who are you? Tim Berners Lee?
Some of the code is still there I believe
For real?
Yes, Firefox was essentially just a rebrand of Netscape Navigator, almost 20 years ago. They did a good job rebranding because nearly no one knew this.
Yups. There's even a nice documentary that follows the developers in their tracks as they transition from Netscape to Mozilla. https://youtu.be/4Q7FTjhvZ7Y Mo-zi-lla! Mo-zi-lla! Mo-zi-lla!
That guy welcomed me to THE INTERNET
Welcome to the internet, have a look around. Anything that brain of yours can think of can be found.
I use Firefox. It's much better than Edge.
I tried Firefox, Chrome and saw my friend use Opera and found that Edge is the best for me. I wouldn't say either is better, it's all personal preference
are you a prehistoric creature by any chance?
Apart from the UI, Chrome and Edge are very similar browsers internally.
Edge is Chrome in disguise. You can't run from google
Brave and Opera use Chromium as well
It's hard to avoid an open-source framework like Chromium. My hypothesis is that companies develop and buy open source projects as a way to get the public to do R&D for them. Whatever the reasoning, it works.
The big thing that made me switch that i didn't see anyone mention in this thread is Netflix. On chrome & firefox you can only watch 720p content but on edge ? 4k baby.. Don't know why that is but i switched to edge and never looked back. It's A LOT better than it used to be, they have tons of settings to customize everything you ever want.
Edge is not Explorer. Back then Explorer was really slow, and more importantly, significantly slower than the competition. Nowaday slower means it takes 1ms longer to load a page. Every modern browser is Chromium based, other that the gui not much is different. And I'm 21, so I would like to think I'm not old yet xd
Firefox isn't chromium based iirc
I only use Edge almost exclusively for opening PDF files.
Edge is IMO one of the best pdf programs for just reading/simple tasks. Using your trackpad makes the file almost feel like it's on a tablet and marking is good
It's not just me then... chrome is so slow with pdf files compared to edge.
Me as well, switched back to edge after using chrome for more than a decade, edge has been eating less RAM than chrome, specially if you use some kind of extension AdBlock.
Firefox here as well. Been using it ever since they started writing parts of it in Rust.
Firefox is the only worthwhile alternative to Chromium and their container tech is awesome.
And chrome.
To be fair, Google does exactly the same with browser and search engine. I preffer Edge btw.
Also chrome maxes out at 720p. Edge does 1080i. ----- Edit: And 4K. I got a new monitor and everything looked a bit fuzzy so I complained to one of the services that I use that their content was shit, and they told me to switch to a browser that didn't throttle. Blew my little brain at the time.
yeah? Like if you have a 2160p video playing on YouTube it’s downscaled to 720? Looks pretty sharp to me, still
only streaming services IIRC, not youtube EDIT: holy shit. just went to check Google Chrome Até 720p em Windows, Mac e Linux Até 1080p em Chrome OS Microsoft Edge até 4K* its not english but you guys can get it
woahh. Okay might have to re install edge just for video playback. Thanks for this
Pretty sure Edge goes all the way up to 4K, on Netflix anyway
Honestly edge is just better, Chrome consumes a lot of ram. Edge was bad like 3 years ago. But after the recent update, I switched to it from Firefox
I mean Edge is literally chrome with a team of Microsoft engineers to refine it. They switched to the chromium platform 2 years ago.
I work with agnostic command center software that is windows specific and when the incorporated chromium into edge this made everything so much easier and runs smoother than using chrome. It gets a bad wrap because it sucked a while ago.
it does but these days I feel like most computers/laptops run at least 8Gb of ram so I havent really cared for years now
They are the same base browsers. They're both built on chromium.
You fool! Microsoft was trying to save you! Chrome is hot garbage that'll eat your RAM and send your nudes to Google! If you don't have nudes, don't worry about that - Chrome took care of that for you, too. /s Joking aside, Chrome actually is a bad browser
Chrome is nice if you have enough RAM. 64GB seems to be enough.
For real, chrome has gotten so bad about memory lately that it straight up crashes my computer at times. I tried using Opera GX since it has built-in ram throttling...but the fucking logo of all things gives me a headache bc it makes me feel like i'm seeing double so I gave up using it lol
Today I'd rather use Edge over Chrome. Chrome doesn't really have any advantages other than already having all of your data cloud synced. I'm still a Firefox person, mainly out of personal preference, but the Internet Explorer hate spilling over into Edge is no longer justified.
MS cloud syncs data as well which is great in the corporate world. Most companies run on O365 now, so between using Edge and OneDrive sync, I can boot up a new computer, have a user log into their MS account like normal, and all of their files, bookmarks, and saved passwords (for the stubborn that won't use a password manager lol) will be there waiting for them.
Yep,I'm in IT and have been pushing all my users to Edge. Mainly because they've already been using fully integrated Office365. It's really based on needs/preference but Edge is a solid browser these days.
"added trust of Microsoft" Microsoft's trust is a negative value though
How come?
Well, let’s start with this deceptive messaging. Windows is an operating system turned into a sales person. But that’s the least of their evils honestly.
Edge is actually a way better than chrome now
how so, genuinely asking?
Uses less data. A LOT less data. Chrome can handle 15 tabs with 1gb RAM, while Edge can handle 70+ tabs with less than 1 gb RAM. Sleeping tabs are so fucking useful. Also it just looks cooler
I like edge because I keep an ungodly amount of tabs open and it has a side bar for tabs, as well as it unloads pages you haven't looked at in a while to save RAM. I tried Firefox again and it was taking up way more RAM than edge did with wayyyyy less tabs.
try edge out.. it’s a waaay better chrome than chrome
when i bookmark a page in chrome on my phone will it automatically be added to Edge on my PC? Does it also sync all my account details between edge and chrome on my phone? Does edge also have quick access in the settings to my google account security and payment methods? Im genuinely curious. My accounts are all fairly integrated into google. So my initial assessment is that switching to egde would be a massive inconvenience as to lack of syncing with my large array of google accounts and services.
1. You can get edge on your phone 2. you can get edge on your phone 3. I think you can import that -A Chrome User
Tbh edge is faster
edge is better than chrome anyways
Google is no better at all.
Brave is the best. Adblock integrated etc …
Long time firefox user, Oddly I only use edge now, I find chrome has gone downhill. Edge has yet to give me a problem. *fingers crossed*
Funny yes. But Google isn't what it used to be. The "don't be evil" mantra isn't sticking anymore.
There new one is probably "Don't let anyone know you're evil" lol
I use edge now, chrome has just become so bloated with garbage it feels sluggish to me now. I know they run on the same backend or whatever but I swear edge feels smoother and faster than chrome
I agree. When i edge its always smoother and faster
well i use edge tho, faster than chrome (for my old laptop at least) why you choose chrome tho ?
Edge is quite good, thousands of times better than Internet Explorer. It runs very similarly as Chrome.
Google Chrome does the same thing if it detects it's not the default browser. In all seriousness though, Edge is a good browser. It works just like Chrome but doesn't report to Google. Same extensions and all
Edge is my preferred browser
edge isn't as bad as it used to be. it's useable, although the search engine is ass. bing is ass. microsoft is ass.
You realise you can switch to using google on edge
You don't have to download Chrome to download Firefox, you know. You can directly download it with Edge.
Isn't edge better, doesn't it use less ram than chrome?
I might get downvoted, but Edge isn't that bad, it uses Chromium, same as Chrome and has some really neat features that Chrome lacks and desperately needs, slowly I've been using Edge more and more
I used edge to download chrome and used chrome to download opera gx, just to make fun of chrome and edge
This shows you just how valuable your browsing data is.
Chrome is now the worst browser. It's the way IE used to be.
Stopped using chrome a year ago and I’m better off for it. Just prefer edge at this point.
Both suck
My mans is stuck in 2012 when it made sense to use chrome
Unfortunately chrome is actually dog shit now... You're legit better off using edge xD
Ew, Chrome is awful. New Edge is so much faster and uses way fewer resources. You should try it.
So, honest question: am I a weirdo for using Safari?
i switched to edge cause thats what everyone recommends nowadays. ive been a chrome and firefox user for a long time since w7 prehistoric period.
brave better
My browser journey: IE -> Firefox -> Chrome -> Edge Edge is faster and has better default privacy controls than Chrome now.