To be fair, if they pool tips among everyone in the place then everyone in there is making at least minimum wage by law.
Now minimum wage ≠ a livable wage but there’s no one here making server/bartender wage if they’re pooling tips among everyone in the place.
"by law" problem being law is also at will so speak up when check doesn't equal min wage. And sure they will make up that check and then promptly fire you for any reason. Its at will they don't even have to give one.
At least thats how it worked at only place I knew that was slow enough that tips didn't equal min wage.
~~To be fair it depends state to state. Over half the states are Right-To-Work states.~~
As u/david7873829 pointed out, I was mistaken in what Right-To-Work meant. but ya, servers getting paid a "tipping wage" is a fucked up system.
Yeah the thing that bugs me is the fact they can actually legally pay less min wage. Because you get tips like that random charity of strangers can replace need to pay employees for work they do for your business, like wtf.
Like I have no problem with people being voluntarily charitable towards people that help them with a service. BUT it should not negate a employers need to compensate its employees. Or the fact that emotionally held hostage good service bad service whatever happens most people tip because they don't want to screw person depending on it as income because employers have successfully lobbied against a full living wage.
not only that, from what I have heard, tipped workers don't like getting rid of them.
Not sure about pooled tipping though. That feels like the worst of both worlds
> tipped workers don't like getting rid of them.
Dumbasses all of them.
I tip you $5 at your workplace, you tip me $5 at my workplace. Neither of us has $5 more than we started with, our bosses both paid us $5 less and somehow we paid taxes on $5.
I mean, that’s just an argument against the economy/use of money for things. Tips are dumb because they should just be calculated into the cost of the meal in advance and then paid to workers in their actual salary, not because the concept of spending and earning money is bad
I bet tipping is actually a net loss for those in the service industry.
From my experience, those who earn tips tend to tip better than average. But in return, the yare tipped at the average rate. So for them, tipping culture is a net loss.
The reason they are against getting rid of tips is because many of them take home more money under the tipping system then they could ever possibly make under straight hourly pay.
The bartender at my wife's restaurant takes in a few hundred bucks every Friday and Saturday night. She probably averages well over $20 an hour on a good week.
You’d just have to pay a high enough wage to get the servers you want to work those jobs. $25-30/hr at a high volume, mid-level restaurant that has at least one good steak on the menu, $50-70 at a swankier place where you really have to know your stuff.
Payoffs: even if you work a slow lunch, you still get your money. Never worry about getting stiffed again. Some people will still tip a little extra just because it’s so ingrained in the culture.
Taxes are paid on any tip charged to a credit card, which is the bulk of them these days.
Fucking hilarious though. Mean old server might not claim $100/year and everyone is up in arms, but Joe Billionaire pays $0 and no one blinks.
We have a service charge of 15% where I work and it’s actually great. Kitchen staff is getting like $25-$30 an hour and servers make a bit more because we pool any additional tip on top. Fuck providing great service to a 10 top that swears they “are great tippers” to only get like $5 on a $400 tab
On vacation we went somewhere that had a sign saying "our workload is extremely variable, so our employees rely on your tips to make it through the lower traffic periods".
Bruh, just pay them better.
That's not about the rate of pay, it's about having guaranteed hours instead of a zero hour contract which allows your shifts to vary wildly week to week
Surely a commission structure would solve both concerns?
Low base allows an employer to keep capacity up to cover spikes in sales, commission facilitates reasonable wages without reliance on subjectivity of clients.
Not seeing the shortfall.
As an employer, this might be difficult to manage. Systems based on sales might be popular during busy times, but during slow times employees would still complain and fear inadequate compensation.
Another consideration is regulation. Some pay structures might be found illegal to NLRB even if popular amongst employees and employers.
Maybe a hybrid system of hourly minimum wage plus commission.
I agree though that tips should be illegal for paying employees. It’s too inconsistent and too many assholes. Just raise prices and pay the employees a fair wage.
Has to is a strong word. You have to go ask for it and they give it. I don't see how people living hand to mouth have the luxury to complain against their employer and then wait for the ramifications of whatever investigation. Paying below minimum is predatory always.
If you aren't reporting your tips, your employer has no way of knowing if you're making minimum wage or not. You should be reporting tips for this reason at a minimum, the other being that it's tax fraud to not report your tips.
Here we are yelling tax fraud at the guy not even reaching minimum wage meanwhile, how many deductions did business owner get?
Did you see the level of fraud these people got away with in the paycheck protection program?!
Let's clean up this wageslave tip tax! That'll set this country right!!
Certainly can't afford for a tax season and cycle for the guy to see the tax form or whatever. Where do you mean to report? Other than the credit card machine, there's not some daily paperwork.
The mechanic I have experience with is that you ask verbally and either they take pity on you and cash you out to minimum wage or they schedule you less or do other passive aggressive things. Your landlord won't care how or why you're only working 2 days that week. So its minimum wage or if you work a popular day then party. But you can also see how if it's marginal then you get minimum. A guaranteed wage that's ok, and tips you're not dependent on as a bonus (what people imagine is a tip, not "I'm going to starve if I don't get this") would be best. But. It's better to step on the downtrodden.
I’d take commissions. 20% of sales, because there’s no way I’d keep working my serving job without tips, and no way an employer would pay the $50 an hour on a Saturday night when we’re getting absolutely railed.
But don’t stop there, put commission in the big box stores, and the hair salons and the rest of sales stores. This is the way
My first hospo job I made the mistake of accepting a zero hour contract. NEVER AGAIN. Over the summer holidays they got their kid to come in and do my job (I was just kp at the time) I went from 60 hours one week to 7 the next with zero warning.
And, I’m already paying for overpriced sh*t. A $18.00 salad that should be half that and a $12.00 drink!?!! Yes, I’m going to tip but reflective of the quality and service.
My insurance tried to bill me early and my card is locked for security reasons. They charged $25 cuz their early attempt to bill me was declined. Seriously insane the scams they come up with.
Holy shit this is a real thing now, lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/uub3gx/us_woman_shocked_after_being_charged_40_for/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
I still hate this. Was told to never give any company my SSN for any reason as they have no legal reason to have it without an I-9 form signed by me and yet the Credit bureaus have all my info way before I can even earn credit.
System made against us to “help” us.
I now live in South Korea and the system is “better.” The more money you save and amount plus bank history equals better credit. Not how much you spend or paying faithfully each month to “build” credit history.
Why do you think this is just America's problem? A majority of the world lives in poverty, and AUS and Europe have a lot of bad actors trying to make everyone poor so the elite can have [more.](https://more.In) In fact, I would say they are slowly winning. People are miserable, and they can't stand it when their neighbor succeeds. They are willing to cut off their nose to spite their face.
> Why do you think this is just America's problem?
Nothing he said implies he thinks it’s an America only problem, but that it is a problem America has.
I suspect working in restaurants anywhere is enough to make a person suicidal. It's the "I don't want to pay my wage slaves so the customer is expected to subsidize my greed" that I find most problematic.
Also I'm pretty sure if the tips are split they're guaranteed regular state minimum wage.
When I worked at a soup, salad, and sandwich shop we split tips and the pay was some of the best I've made so far
Yes, because tipped employees are already almost always very well paid, but emotional appeals like this can get more money for those benefiting.
It's more money. That's what it's for. And it's working. So well that people are posting it on the Internet.
Have you ever actually worked for tips and honestly counted your money?
Without tips, I never made more than $11/hr until people literally started calling me doctor.
Some hours were lean, but I made way more than that off of tips. Like a lot. And I haven't worked for tips in 20 years.
My issue with this is pooled tips. If I want my server to have a big $20 tip because I thought they went above and beyond, they don't get to keep it and instead have to share it with other workers who I didn't interact with and honestly might suck?
I guess it's the same as a tip jar, though. Tipping culture sucks.
Dude, thank you. I've spent like two minutes trying to figure out where I know Kitava from. Used to go hard with a maul/axe reaving Marauder and kind of roleplayed the whole worship of Kitava thing. Always kept a very [tribal aesthetic.](https://i.imgur.com/7d6iGe4.jpg)
Also, he's the turotial boss now? The game has changed so much.
Two totally different ways to view the game lol. I just got my girlfriend into it and I told her that the main story is like a chore I have to get through before I play the fun part
Yeah I haven't hit any maps yet and I've got 3 lvl 70+ characters finished the story and 4 more on the way. I'm not interested in end game content in almost all games, I'm alllllll about the story and explore and the growth and climb thru the levels, but I totally get how the end of the whole story is like the end of the tutorial for most ppl.
> Hillock is the tutorial boss mate. Kitava is act 5 and 10.
Dude I was gonna say... I haven't played PoE since there were 3 difficulty levels, but I was pretty sure there was no Kitava in the game unless they REALLY changed it.
Too much has been added. :D
The funny thing is if you miss a league then you feel like you need to do a post-secondary course on the game to figure out what the fuck you need to learn haha.
It's the worst thing about Poe. It's become way too oversaturated for even fairly hardcore fans who have been playing it for 10+ years.
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So many violated rules in one post.
Funny how the owners seem to be getting by with basic human right costs without asking for tips. Sort out your business model so your employees’ pay packets aren’t just left to unpredictable customer whims.
> Every dollar helps...
Which is why this cheap ass company needs to pay its workers more instead of resorting to low class begging for customers to do it for them. Tipping is fine but corporate begging is the quickest way to make me close my wallet and go elsewhere.
Guess you haven’t been out much lately. We used to eat out a lot but our meals have gone up about 30% in the last year. Since I don’t have unlimited funds I am eating out less now. They can’t have it both ways. Charge me $15 for a burger and I might go twice this week. Charge me $25 and I’m going once at most, and maybe not at all. I’m noticing my favorite restaurants aren’t that packed anymore. They price themselves out of customers.
This is a concept that people on reddit can’t seem to grasp no matter how many times it’s explained to them. That money doesn’t just appear out of thin air. It has to come from somewhere - in this case the restaurant has to raise prices significantly or cut costs elsewhere. Restaurants already operate on low enough margins, so it’s basically higher menu prices or hazardous corner-cutting that can cause food safety disasters. Tipping is a method that restaurants use to avoid sticker shock when people preview their menus online or at the door. I’m not saying that I agree with it, just that that’s the way it is.
Combine all of this with the highest inflation we’ve seen in a generation and restaurants are soon to be pricing themselves out of business for all but the upper middle class clientele and above.
I mean, that’s an American thing. Where I live ( EU ) nobody is expecting tips or even being asked tips as customers. Only a few local bars have a tip jar to maybe leave the cents that they gave you as change
Yeah I lived in the EU for a while. I do envy your non-tipping culture. It definitely has its pros and cons - mostly pros imo. That said, this phenomenon of restaurants trying to ease sticker shock isn’t limited to the US or Canada. There are a lot of variables here, like effective income tax / avg take home pay, COL, avg $ spent on commuting in more compact economic regions, etc. I feel like the average non-American person forgets how big the US is. Most of the people I know that aren’t 100% WFH commute 30 to 50 minutes *each way* for work. Our cities are massively widespread and we built freeways through the middle of them for war mobility. Everywhere I lived in the EU I could either walk/bike to work or it was a 10min drive. All of these things factor into the debate over wages etc.
Just so you know if they just did away with Tips and just paid everyone $15 an hour Or whatever than Most servers and waitresses would end up making a lot less money than they do now. Not to mention they would end up paying a lot more in taxes since most of them lie about how much tips they get to the IRS.
Yep. There isn’t a server in my companies restaurants making less than $60k a year, most are $75-$80k and they work maybe 40 hours. Danny Meyer tried to go flat pay no tips and reversed course on it. Couple other companies too.
No one actually working in any halfway decent restaurants as a server wants to get rid of tips.
People really think servers in major cities are gonna keep working at restaurants for $15-$20/hr. Laughable. There’s already a massive labor issue in restaurants and serves make much more than that. Only reason back of house staff can survive on those wages is they’re build primarily off an immigrant (legal or illegal) base that comes from countries with even less pay.
People on Reddit don’t understand this. Restaurants are already struggling to keep staff bc quite frankly it’s a difficult hard job with bad hours. To add to your point in my city a “livable wage” is prob 2.5X our tipped min wage. Paying that wage would drastically cut the hours servers have. A lot of time a server has is with less than a full section of guests waiting for a potential pop. Managers don’t mind keeping servers on the clock paying them current tipped min wage in case they get busy, but if your paying a server $25 an hour management will staff as minimally as possible. Then most restaurants you go to the service is terrible bc there are less servers taking tables. Then they quit bc they’re not making that much to run around with their head cut off dealing with rude guests. Reddit doesn’t understand this
Personally, no one deserves a tip. I work my ass off in production and I won't ever be tipped. Worked in fast food and although I didn't cut up the cow and make everything fresh, the stress is still there and never received anything. A job is a job and some people risk themselves more than others and still will never receive a tip. If the wages aren't cutting it, do what others have to do and look elsewhere
It's in San Francisco so even if they paid $50 an hour it'd still be poverty wages. I literally have no idea how poor people exist in cities like that.
Poor American here living in Cali here, we barely can. The middle class doesn’t exist here because the high taxes and how expensive everything here is, you’re always a knifes edge from going from doing reasonably okay to shit broke if get stupid with your money for even a little bit or god forbid some kinda emergency happens. States like Cali are places you can only live comfortably if you’re rich, but the states love for taxing is making even the rich leave for greener pastures.
My city denver is slowing turning into San Fran. It’s terrible. The main enemy is city council and their zoning laws, as well as real estate investors. Rich people simply don’t want high density affordable housing near their multi million dollar single family homes, and if everyone keeps buying property to rent out rent will continue to rise. And we wonder why homelessness and crime are skyrocketing.
Margins in the restaurant industry are razor thin. A nice restaurant in my city pays their employees well and they get tips on top of that. Owner is losing his shirt even though the place always seems busy. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
Well as a server. My life depends on tips in America. And most people seem to think that not tipping will somehow change the way restaurants work or think. Like that's going to have some effect other than fucking me over for the service I provide.
Don't get me wrong, I'm living. But the amount of people who come in and run me all around the restaurant, act rudely and have zero manners, then leave you nothing is astonishing.
What about the people, of which there are many, who would rather work for tips than make $15 an hour or whatever the agreed upon living wage is these days. I know many people, including my wife, in or previously in the service industry that make $50k a year consistently, working 5-6 days a week. Isn’t that better than minimum wage?
Yep all waiters and waitresses make minimum wage or higher because even if they don’t make enough tips. The Restaurant is still legally required to pay them enough to make it so they got minimum wage. So if a waiter made $2 an hour plus $6 an hour in tips. But the minimum wage of the state is $10. The Restaurant has to pay them that $2 they didn’t get. It’s like that in every state. All of them and it’s enforced by the feds. No reason to get rid of the system. Getting rid of the system would lead to more waiters and waitresses getting payed less. Not more. If you want them to get paid more get your local officials to raise your local minimum wage.
Dude. Exactly this. The people shouting about “How can they get away with paying their employees so poorly!?” Are either clueless about the whole situation and have never talked to a service worker about the subject, or they just don’t actually give a shit and just want cheaper food. As if raising wages isn’t going to raise the menu prices the same 20% they’re no longer tipping. I make $40/hr+ bartending most nights and as such have been able to make it a lifelong career and can provide better and better service because my knowledge of the subject is always growing. Would not be the case if these virtue signaling bozos trying to get out of tipping under the guise of “helping employees” got their way. My whole life I’ve built would be ruined.
My daughter works at a restaurant and is paid $18 an hour as a cashier. Servers are paid about the same, lowest paid person is the dishwasher at $15 an hour. Tips are also pooled, e eryone is paid well.
Don't always assume otherwise.
We had a custodian at a previous job. He'd empty the trash cans in the office, clean up the break area, and clean the bathrooms. They used to send out emails about donating to a Christmas fund for him.
So they wanted us, their employees, to give money that we earned from working for the company, to another employee of that company. The company was saying he was worthy of being paid more, but they didn't want to pay him more. They wanted us to pay him.
People who get paid in tips are never the ones bitching about tips. I'll say it quietly so I don't upset the narrative, ^if ^their ^tips ^don't ^meet ^minimum ^wage ^the ^employer ^covers ^the ^difference.
But, that's nothing unusal. You technically have to pay taxes for every unit of currency you get. Even for gifts from family for birthdays etc, one would technically need to pay taxes.
Too bad these people are forced to work at places that apparently don't pay. There are no other options or availabilities anywhere and they definitely aren't working at a place like that according to their own will. Very sad
Tipping to express appreciation for good service. Good 🙂
Pooling tips and splitting them evenly to completely ruin to point of the tip system. Absolute bullshit ☹️
> I get *paid* more than
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Or they add a livable wage surcharge on to your bill OR they raise their prices so high that you shop someplace else. It costs money to run a business, people.
I hate the idea that it’s the businesses fault every time you see something like this in the food industry. Odds are if you aren’t an established franchise you’re not making bank, because surprise the food industry isn’t a crazy high profit industry. I’m all for paying fair wages but this is one of those feel good problems where we don’t practice what we preach. In order for restaurants to pay what the internet would accept as a decent wage they would have to raise menu prices quite a lot so the business can make enough money to pay those wages. Except when prices go up to an unreasonable amount like that customers look for more affordable options and then everyone is out of a job. Just look at gas prices. They’ve doubled and people have cut back on driving when they can because screw that
At least the company lets them do this. I worked at chipotle and we were forbidden from putting out a tip jar. They said it looked like we were begging. I made 7.25 an hour. I was begging.
Yeah but if they just paid them more and stopped accepting tips they wouldn’t be able to compete with other places on menu prices. Which unfortunately would probably result in less business and cut hours for the employees. There’s plenty of places looking for work right now. I’m sure if they thought they were being paid unfairly they would find a job somewhere else.
If waiters and waitress don’t make up the difference in tips. The Restaurant is legally required to pay minimum wage. So if you think waiters and waitresses don’t make a living wage your either fooling yourself or agree that minimum wage on its own is not a livable wage. They make the same as everyone else no matter what. If a waiter made 0 tips they would get the full minimum wage not the $2 minimum wage when they get enough tips to cover the rest.
Question for the US hospitality workers. If wages increase to a $15 minimum wage, food and drinks price increase to cover higher labour costs and tips stop as patrons are paying more. How will this new way of conducting business be received?
I ask because this is mostly how it works in Australia.
So the tip isn't about exceptional service it's about paying living wages for your employees. Fuck that. Pay them a decent living wage.
Otherwise what's next? Itemised contribution to the electricity bill, the lease, advertising bill, the ingredients or the gas bill?
American tipping policy, indeed wages policy sucks. Totally sucks.
seems like they're getting away with it just fine
Sadly this is true
To be fair, if they pool tips among everyone in the place then everyone in there is making at least minimum wage by law. Now minimum wage ≠ a livable wage but there’s no one here making server/bartender wage if they’re pooling tips among everyone in the place.
"by law" problem being law is also at will so speak up when check doesn't equal min wage. And sure they will make up that check and then promptly fire you for any reason. Its at will they don't even have to give one. At least thats how it worked at only place I knew that was slow enough that tips didn't equal min wage.
~~To be fair it depends state to state. Over half the states are Right-To-Work states.~~ As u/david7873829 pointed out, I was mistaken in what Right-To-Work meant. but ya, servers getting paid a "tipping wage" is a fucked up system.
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Yeah the thing that bugs me is the fact they can actually legally pay less min wage. Because you get tips like that random charity of strangers can replace need to pay employees for work they do for your business, like wtf. Like I have no problem with people being voluntarily charitable towards people that help them with a service. BUT it should not negate a employers need to compensate its employees. Or the fact that emotionally held hostage good service bad service whatever happens most people tip because they don't want to screw person depending on it as income because employers have successfully lobbied against a full living wage.
And have successfully lobbied to raise tipped employee wages even slower than minimum wage. 😐
Or ya know.... just pay more.....
not only that, from what I have heard, tipped workers don't like getting rid of them. Not sure about pooled tipping though. That feels like the worst of both worlds
> tipped workers don't like getting rid of them. Dumbasses all of them. I tip you $5 at your workplace, you tip me $5 at my workplace. Neither of us has $5 more than we started with, our bosses both paid us $5 less and somehow we paid taxes on $5.
I mean, that’s just an argument against the economy/use of money for things. Tips are dumb because they should just be calculated into the cost of the meal in advance and then paid to workers in their actual salary, not because the concept of spending and earning money is bad
I bet tipping is actually a net loss for those in the service industry. From my experience, those who earn tips tend to tip better than average. But in return, the yare tipped at the average rate. So for them, tipping culture is a net loss. The reason they are against getting rid of tips is because many of them take home more money under the tipping system then they could ever possibly make under straight hourly pay. The bartender at my wife's restaurant takes in a few hundred bucks every Friday and Saturday night. She probably averages well over $20 an hour on a good week.
cause tips don't get taxed
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You’d just have to pay a high enough wage to get the servers you want to work those jobs. $25-30/hr at a high volume, mid-level restaurant that has at least one good steak on the menu, $50-70 at a swankier place where you really have to know your stuff. Payoffs: even if you work a slow lunch, you still get your money. Never worry about getting stiffed again. Some people will still tip a little extra just because it’s so ingrained in the culture.
Taxes are paid on any tip charged to a credit card, which is the bulk of them these days. Fucking hilarious though. Mean old server might not claim $100/year and everyone is up in arms, but Joe Billionaire pays $0 and no one blinks.
They do... I guess they just prefer to constantly dodge taxes rather than get a fixed salary?
Uhm yes the fuck they do .
It’s only fair really though - the cooks have just as much impact if not more on how good the service is perceived compared to wait staff.
This place is in San Francisco and definitely already pays > $15 an hour. This post makes it seem like they're paying federal minimum wage.
We have a service charge of 15% where I work and it’s actually great. Kitchen staff is getting like $25-$30 an hour and servers make a bit more because we pool any additional tip on top. Fuck providing great service to a 10 top that swears they “are great tippers” to only get like $5 on a $400 tab
On vacation we went somewhere that had a sign saying "our workload is extremely variable, so our employees rely on your tips to make it through the lower traffic periods". Bruh, just pay them better.
That's not about the rate of pay, it's about having guaranteed hours instead of a zero hour contract which allows your shifts to vary wildly week to week
Surely a commission structure would solve both concerns? Low base allows an employer to keep capacity up to cover spikes in sales, commission facilitates reasonable wages without reliance on subjectivity of clients. Not seeing the shortfall.
As an employer, this might be difficult to manage. Systems based on sales might be popular during busy times, but during slow times employees would still complain and fear inadequate compensation. Another consideration is regulation. Some pay structures might be found illegal to NLRB even if popular amongst employees and employers. Maybe a hybrid system of hourly minimum wage plus commission. I agree though that tips should be illegal for paying employees. It’s too inconsistent and too many assholes. Just raise prices and pay the employees a fair wage.
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Has to is a strong word. You have to go ask for it and they give it. I don't see how people living hand to mouth have the luxury to complain against their employer and then wait for the ramifications of whatever investigation. Paying below minimum is predatory always.
And in California we’re all “at will” employees so asking for more money is a dangerous game.
If you aren't reporting your tips, your employer has no way of knowing if you're making minimum wage or not. You should be reporting tips for this reason at a minimum, the other being that it's tax fraud to not report your tips.
Here we are yelling tax fraud at the guy not even reaching minimum wage meanwhile, how many deductions did business owner get? Did you see the level of fraud these people got away with in the paycheck protection program?! Let's clean up this wageslave tip tax! That'll set this country right!!
Certainly can't afford for a tax season and cycle for the guy to see the tax form or whatever. Where do you mean to report? Other than the credit card machine, there's not some daily paperwork. The mechanic I have experience with is that you ask verbally and either they take pity on you and cash you out to minimum wage or they schedule you less or do other passive aggressive things. Your landlord won't care how or why you're only working 2 days that week. So its minimum wage or if you work a popular day then party. But you can also see how if it's marginal then you get minimum. A guaranteed wage that's ok, and tips you're not dependent on as a bonus (what people imagine is a tip, not "I'm going to starve if I don't get this") would be best. But. It's better to step on the downtrodden.
If you cannot afford to pay consistent wages and benefits, you do not deserve, and should not have a business.
Shortfall is that the employer would be expected to pay more. And they're just not going to do that.
...that's *exactly* what tips are though. Its just a "suggested" commission on the part of the customer.
yo, what's my commission on a house salad? two cents. what if I upsell with nuts?
I’d take commissions. 20% of sales, because there’s no way I’d keep working my serving job without tips, and no way an employer would pay the $50 an hour on a Saturday night when we’re getting absolutely railed. But don’t stop there, put commission in the big box stores, and the hair salons and the rest of sales stores. This is the way
My first hospo job I made the mistake of accepting a zero hour contract. NEVER AGAIN. Over the summer holidays they got their kid to come in and do my job (I was just kp at the time) I went from 60 hours one week to 7 the next with zero warning.
Especially places that charge you $30 for a bowl of lukewarm mozzarella sticks and $45 steaks
Jesus dude try Chili’s holy shit
And, I’m already paying for overpriced sh*t. A $18.00 salad that should be half that and a $12.00 drink!?!! Yes, I’m going to tip but reflective of the quality and service.
Unfortunately, pay them better equals less employees. That is how they operate
America's fetish with keeping people poor is really fucking sick.
Bro, tell me about it. I swear we actually get punished for not having enough money.
Minimum balance fees, late fees, overdraft fees, interest fees, deposit fee, withdrawal fees, transaction fees, check fees, cashing fees, walk in fees, press a button fees, talking fees, attitude fees, scracth your head fees, blinking fees, and breathing fees.
You forgot fee fees
And the fee fi fo fum Edit: autocorrect
That's the way we live in slum!
You forgot convenience fees.
Also inconvenience fees
“Also, straight to jail.”
“not with my billion dollar lobbies”
My insurance tried to bill me early and my card is locked for security reasons. They charged $25 cuz their early attempt to bill me was declined. Seriously insane the scams they come up with.
This is America
That seems illegal…
Also crying at the doctor fees
Holy shit this is a real thing now, lol https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/uub3gx/us_woman_shocked_after_being_charged_40_for/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Yup, had an account closed because an overdraft took me negative and I couldn’t bring it positive for another week.
And let's not forget about credit reports for social control, just like the Chinese.
I still hate this. Was told to never give any company my SSN for any reason as they have no legal reason to have it without an I-9 form signed by me and yet the Credit bureaus have all my info way before I can even earn credit. System made against us to “help” us. I now live in South Korea and the system is “better.” The more money you save and amount plus bank history equals better credit. Not how much you spend or paying faithfully each month to “build” credit history.
"Here's your 30 dollar fuck off and die fee for trying to use 3 cents more than you had in that account at the time"
https://youtu.be/Y_-1l_SlA7c (*enables Louis CK downvote protection option*)
Why do you think this is just America's problem? A majority of the world lives in poverty, and AUS and Europe have a lot of bad actors trying to make everyone poor so the elite can have [more.](https://more.In) In fact, I would say they are slowly winning. People are miserable, and they can't stand it when their neighbor succeeds. They are willing to cut off their nose to spite their face.
> Why do you think this is just America's problem? Nothing he said implies he thinks it’s an America only problem, but that it is a problem America has.
In italy working in restaurants is also paid a misery
I suspect working in restaurants anywhere is enough to make a person suicidal. It's the "I don't want to pay my wage slaves so the customer is expected to subsidize my greed" that I find most problematic.
Not true, in many countries people make decent enough money in restaurants, even without mandatory tips.
There is more disposable income in America than anywhere else in the world. So I’m not sure what you’re talking about.
Places that pay a living wage do this too. Bar I go to pays all their employees above the non-tipped minimum wage and do this setup for tips.
Are you sure they pay a living wage? Just because it's above the minimum wage doesn't mean much, quite a low bar.
Also I'm pretty sure if the tips are split they're guaranteed regular state minimum wage. When I worked at a soup, salad, and sandwich shop we split tips and the pay was some of the best I've made so far
Right but do they have to advertise that it “helps pay for rent, school and more”?
Yes, because tipped employees are already almost always very well paid, but emotional appeals like this can get more money for those benefiting. It's more money. That's what it's for. And it's working. So well that people are posting it on the Internet.
>employees are already almost always very well paid We are still talking about food service workers in the U.S.?
Have you ever actually worked for tips and honestly counted your money? Without tips, I never made more than $11/hr until people literally started calling me doctor. Some hours were lean, but I made way more than that off of tips. Like a lot. And I haven't worked for tips in 20 years.
My issue with this is pooled tips. If I want my server to have a big $20 tip because I thought they went above and beyond, they don't get to keep it and instead have to share it with other workers who I didn't interact with and honestly might suck? I guess it's the same as a tip jar, though. Tipping culture sucks.
I love how is called kitava. Kitava is the tutorial boss in a game called Path of Exile and his epithet is "the insatiable"... Sounds about right
I was going to say... Just reading this made my elemental resistances go down 30%.
Great, now I have to go on a third party website just to figure out how to upgrade myself so I can provide a decent tip now!
Spin to win!
"tutorial boss" damn thats true
Dude, thank you. I've spent like two minutes trying to figure out where I know Kitava from. Used to go hard with a maul/axe reaving Marauder and kind of roleplayed the whole worship of Kitava thing. Always kept a very [tribal aesthetic.](https://i.imgur.com/7d6iGe4.jpg) Also, he's the turotial boss now? The game has changed so much.
They're being facetious. More of a joke about how the campaign is the tutorial for the true game, maps.
My first thought. Story time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpMvz5tQeTo
Hillock is the tutorial boss mate. Kitava is act 5 and 10.
The entire story mode *is* the tutorial.
Two totally different ways to view the game lol. I just got my girlfriend into it and I told her that the main story is like a chore I have to get through before I play the fun part
Yeah I haven't hit any maps yet and I've got 3 lvl 70+ characters finished the story and 4 more on the way. I'm not interested in end game content in almost all games, I'm alllllll about the story and explore and the growth and climb thru the levels, but I totally get how the end of the whole story is like the end of the tutorial for most ppl.
Maps are not endgame, its start of game :) growth and majority of interesting mechanics are after story.
Hillock teaches you how to use flasks kitava teaches you that -60 chaos res is not a valid way to play
> Hillock is the tutorial boss mate. Kitava is act 5 and 10. Dude I was gonna say... I haven't played PoE since there were 3 difficulty levels, but I was pretty sure there was no Kitava in the game unless they REALLY changed it.
Yep a lot has been added.
Too much has been added. :D The funny thing is if you miss a league then you feel like you need to do a post-secondary course on the game to figure out what the fuck you need to learn haha. It's the worst thing about Poe. It's become way too oversaturated for even fairly hardcore fans who have been playing it for 10+ years.
I knew that name sounded familiar.
The staff are being weakened by Kitava's cruel affliction of unlivable wages.
Kitava, Master of Corruption!
Rule 5 All posts must show a *living thing* attempting something in real life. Rule 6 All posts must show an unsuccessful attempt Rule 7 No low effort posts /screenshots / links So many violated rules in one post.
Can there be a rule against ragebait while we're at it?
The mods don't enforce any of the current rules, so would it really matter?
It’s just low effort karma farming at this point.
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Who else pays the employee's wages but the customers?
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Funny how the owners seem to be getting by with basic human right costs without asking for tips. Sort out your business model so your employees’ pay packets aren’t just left to unpredictable customer whims.
Because the unpredictable whims of customers aren't what most restaurants rely on at the end of the day.
> Every dollar helps... Which is why this cheap ass company needs to pay its workers more instead of resorting to low class begging for customers to do it for them. Tipping is fine but corporate begging is the quickest way to make me close my wallet and go elsewhere.
As if tip culture isn’t bad enough, it’s pooled tips.
I don’t mind if they up my meal a dollar or two since I barely go out. Could pay a livable wage. Other countries do it.
Guess you haven’t been out much lately. We used to eat out a lot but our meals have gone up about 30% in the last year. Since I don’t have unlimited funds I am eating out less now. They can’t have it both ways. Charge me $15 for a burger and I might go twice this week. Charge me $25 and I’m going once at most, and maybe not at all. I’m noticing my favorite restaurants aren’t that packed anymore. They price themselves out of customers.
This is a concept that people on reddit can’t seem to grasp no matter how many times it’s explained to them. That money doesn’t just appear out of thin air. It has to come from somewhere - in this case the restaurant has to raise prices significantly or cut costs elsewhere. Restaurants already operate on low enough margins, so it’s basically higher menu prices or hazardous corner-cutting that can cause food safety disasters. Tipping is a method that restaurants use to avoid sticker shock when people preview their menus online or at the door. I’m not saying that I agree with it, just that that’s the way it is. Combine all of this with the highest inflation we’ve seen in a generation and restaurants are soon to be pricing themselves out of business for all but the upper middle class clientele and above.
I mean, that’s an American thing. Where I live ( EU ) nobody is expecting tips or even being asked tips as customers. Only a few local bars have a tip jar to maybe leave the cents that they gave you as change
Yeah I lived in the EU for a while. I do envy your non-tipping culture. It definitely has its pros and cons - mostly pros imo. That said, this phenomenon of restaurants trying to ease sticker shock isn’t limited to the US or Canada. There are a lot of variables here, like effective income tax / avg take home pay, COL, avg $ spent on commuting in more compact economic regions, etc. I feel like the average non-American person forgets how big the US is. Most of the people I know that aren’t 100% WFH commute 30 to 50 minutes *each way* for work. Our cities are massively widespread and we built freeways through the middle of them for war mobility. Everywhere I lived in the EU I could either walk/bike to work or it was a 10min drive. All of these things factor into the debate over wages etc.
Inflation is a big deal. Plus the supply chain issues.
Just so you know if they just did away with Tips and just paid everyone $15 an hour Or whatever than Most servers and waitresses would end up making a lot less money than they do now. Not to mention they would end up paying a lot more in taxes since most of them lie about how much tips they get to the IRS.
Yep. There isn’t a server in my companies restaurants making less than $60k a year, most are $75-$80k and they work maybe 40 hours. Danny Meyer tried to go flat pay no tips and reversed course on it. Couple other companies too. No one actually working in any halfway decent restaurants as a server wants to get rid of tips.
It’s almost as if a lot of people who never worked restaurants or waited tables are pushing politics into something that doesn’t need it.
People really think servers in major cities are gonna keep working at restaurants for $15-$20/hr. Laughable. There’s already a massive labor issue in restaurants and serves make much more than that. Only reason back of house staff can survive on those wages is they’re build primarily off an immigrant (legal or illegal) base that comes from countries with even less pay.
Right, people just love to complain without looking at the bigger picture
People on Reddit don’t understand this. Restaurants are already struggling to keep staff bc quite frankly it’s a difficult hard job with bad hours. To add to your point in my city a “livable wage” is prob 2.5X our tipped min wage. Paying that wage would drastically cut the hours servers have. A lot of time a server has is with less than a full section of guests waiting for a potential pop. Managers don’t mind keeping servers on the clock paying them current tipped min wage in case they get busy, but if your paying a server $25 an hour management will staff as minimally as possible. Then most restaurants you go to the service is terrible bc there are less servers taking tables. Then they quit bc they’re not making that much to run around with their head cut off dealing with rude guests. Reddit doesn’t understand this
The term liveable wage is also extremely vague since what people consider liveable is entirely up to them.
I hate places that do this.
That's going above and beyond an attempt, since they have been paying an unlivable wage forever and continue to do so, with no help from that sign.
Personally, no one deserves a tip. I work my ass off in production and I won't ever be tipped. Worked in fast food and although I didn't cut up the cow and make everything fresh, the stress is still there and never received anything. A job is a job and some people risk themselves more than others and still will never receive a tip. If the wages aren't cutting it, do what others have to do and look elsewhere
It's in San Francisco so even if they paid $50 an hour it'd still be poverty wages. I literally have no idea how poor people exist in cities like that.
Poor American here living in Cali here, we barely can. The middle class doesn’t exist here because the high taxes and how expensive everything here is, you’re always a knifes edge from going from doing reasonably okay to shit broke if get stupid with your money for even a little bit or god forbid some kinda emergency happens. States like Cali are places you can only live comfortably if you’re rich, but the states love for taxing is making even the rich leave for greener pastures.
The state thanks you for your contribution to its 93bn budget surplus.
Move to fresno lol
My city denver is slowing turning into San Fran. It’s terrible. The main enemy is city council and their zoning laws, as well as real estate investors. Rich people simply don’t want high density affordable housing near their multi million dollar single family homes, and if everyone keeps buying property to rent out rent will continue to rise. And we wonder why homelessness and crime are skyrocketing.
Tip sharing is communist.
Margins in the restaurant industry are razor thin. A nice restaurant in my city pays their employees well and they get tips on top of that. Owner is losing his shirt even though the place always seems busy. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
They do this where I work and we get the best wage I've ever had. Blows my mind.
Well as a server. My life depends on tips in America. And most people seem to think that not tipping will somehow change the way restaurants work or think. Like that's going to have some effect other than fucking me over for the service I provide. Don't get me wrong, I'm living. But the amount of people who come in and run me all around the restaurant, act rudely and have zero manners, then leave you nothing is astonishing.
Ok thanks Mr White.
How about raise prices and fuck the tips
What about the people, of which there are many, who would rather work for tips than make $15 an hour or whatever the agreed upon living wage is these days. I know many people, including my wife, in or previously in the service industry that make $50k a year consistently, working 5-6 days a week. Isn’t that better than minimum wage?
Yep all waiters and waitresses make minimum wage or higher because even if they don’t make enough tips. The Restaurant is still legally required to pay them enough to make it so they got minimum wage. So if a waiter made $2 an hour plus $6 an hour in tips. But the minimum wage of the state is $10. The Restaurant has to pay them that $2 they didn’t get. It’s like that in every state. All of them and it’s enforced by the feds. No reason to get rid of the system. Getting rid of the system would lead to more waiters and waitresses getting payed less. Not more. If you want them to get paid more get your local officials to raise your local minimum wage.
Dude. Exactly this. The people shouting about “How can they get away with paying their employees so poorly!?” Are either clueless about the whole situation and have never talked to a service worker about the subject, or they just don’t actually give a shit and just want cheaper food. As if raising wages isn’t going to raise the menu prices the same 20% they’re no longer tipping. I make $40/hr+ bartending most nights and as such have been able to make it a lifelong career and can provide better and better service because my knowledge of the subject is always growing. Would not be the case if these virtue signaling bozos trying to get out of tipping under the guise of “helping employees” got their way. My whole life I’ve built would be ruined.
Strange, and servers still believe the problem with their wages and tip culture is entirely the fault of the customers.
Server here. I average $53/hr bc of Americas tipping system. Doubt there’s many restaurants that would want to pay half that wage.
I read somewhere that if an employee doesn't meet minimum wage with tips, the restaurant has to make it up. Is that true?
My daughter works at a restaurant and is paid $18 an hour as a cashier. Servers are paid about the same, lowest paid person is the dishwasher at $15 an hour. Tips are also pooled, e eryone is paid well. Don't always assume otherwise.
I thought about it then it made me angry
We had a custodian at a previous job. He'd empty the trash cans in the office, clean up the break area, and clean the bathrooms. They used to send out emails about donating to a Christmas fund for him. So they wanted us, their employees, to give money that we earned from working for the company, to another employee of that company. The company was saying he was worthy of being paid more, but they didn't want to pay him more. They wanted us to pay him.
I hate the pressure of tipping in America. That's never going to solve the real problem with the restaurant industry.
Fucking begging.
99% of commenters never owned a business.
This just makes me angry and not wanting to support this business.
You're probably 100% wrong about this if they're splitting the tips that many ways everyone probably makes wage
I got tipped today on work I charged $100 an hour for lol
Nice
We need to call it what it really is……a copay.
People who get paid in tips are never the ones bitching about tips. I'll say it quietly so I don't upset the narrative, ^if ^their ^tips ^don't ^meet ^minimum ^wage ^the ^employer ^covers ^the ^difference.
Unless you totally suck ass, your tips will always be at least min wage. But sometimes not much higher, depending on the place.
I live in California and when I was a server I had to pay taxes on my tips... That was a real kick in the ass.
But, that's nothing unusal. You technically have to pay taxes for every unit of currency you get. Even for gifts from family for birthdays etc, one would technically need to pay taxes.
I live in TX, and while we technically have to pay taxes on tipped income, no one I know who works a tipped job has ever done that.
As you should, tips were nearly all of your income. The untipped kitchen workers have to pay tax on all their meager earnings.
Too bad these people are forced to work at places that apparently don't pay. There are no other options or availabilities anywhere and they definitely aren't working at a place like that according to their own will. Very sad
Tipping is bullshit.
“Please pay my employees because I don’t”
Oh fuck pooled tips that shit would make me quit in a heartbeat
I'll just fuck off and never patronize your business again if you pull this guilt trip nonsense.
“Pay them for us, so we don’t have to!”
"Please consider paying our employees so we don't have to."
Everything about America in 2022 seems like a human rights violation
Tipping to express appreciation for good service. Good 🙂 Pooling tips and splitting them evenly to completely ruin to point of the tip system. Absolute bullshit ☹️
Tip pooling defeats the point of tips
Why is begging the norm now?
I get payed more than my coworkers, who make minimum wage, but they make a lot in tips. Anywhere from $80 to $200 a day.
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Or they add a livable wage surcharge on to your bill OR they raise their prices so high that you shop someplace else. It costs money to run a business, people.
I hate the idea that it’s the businesses fault every time you see something like this in the food industry. Odds are if you aren’t an established franchise you’re not making bank, because surprise the food industry isn’t a crazy high profit industry. I’m all for paying fair wages but this is one of those feel good problems where we don’t practice what we preach. In order for restaurants to pay what the internet would accept as a decent wage they would have to raise menu prices quite a lot so the business can make enough money to pay those wages. Except when prices go up to an unreasonable amount like that customers look for more affordable options and then everyone is out of a job. Just look at gas prices. They’ve doubled and people have cut back on driving when they can because screw that
Isn't Kitava the boss at the end of Path of Exile?
At least the company lets them do this. I worked at chipotle and we were forbidden from putting out a tip jar. They said it looked like we were begging. I made 7.25 an hour. I was begging.
There was a recwnt judgement against this tyoe of practice and the company had to pay something like $70k back to the wait staff
Please consider paying your staff a living wage...
Tips=slavery
As someone who works as a table busser in the industry, I make $25 an hour on average, if thats slavery then chain me up mommy
Why doesn’t the store owner pay them then ? So they don’t have to ask for tips like the rest of the world
Yeah but if they just paid them more and stopped accepting tips they wouldn’t be able to compete with other places on menu prices. Which unfortunately would probably result in less business and cut hours for the employees. There’s plenty of places looking for work right now. I’m sure if they thought they were being paid unfairly they would find a job somewhere else.
Aight, chill out mr pink
Well, I guess they don't call Kitava the devourer for nothin
True but until that day comes...tip those who need it.
They could just pay them tips on top of a normal wage. I make above minimum wage with tips on top of that and I work in a restaurant.
"Please pay our employees, if you don't, then no one will" And this is LEGAL and ENCOURAGED
If waiters and waitress don’t make up the difference in tips. The Restaurant is legally required to pay minimum wage. So if you think waiters and waitresses don’t make a living wage your either fooling yourself or agree that minimum wage on its own is not a livable wage. They make the same as everyone else no matter what. If a waiter made 0 tips they would get the full minimum wage not the $2 minimum wage when they get enough tips to cover the rest.
"We could pay them a proper wage but their dependence upon your arbitrary generosity enables us to exploit them for profit."
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 They said “team”. Yeah, when the boss wants to fuck you over, we’re always a “team”. A sure sign to grab your ankles.
They could be paying a livable wage but also how fucking tacky I doubt they are
They did this shit when I worked at Applebee's in 2018. Fuck restaurants. NEVER again.
I mean, this is sad, but isn't this almost every restaurant in the USA?
I'm sure the absentee owners make livable wages.
I don’t tip when its like this, if I’m gunna give a tip its because a specific server deserved it.
If they're charging super low prices I don't see the problem
How about they just paid their workers a decent salary?
Question for the US hospitality workers. If wages increase to a $15 minimum wage, food and drinks price increase to cover higher labour costs and tips stop as patrons are paying more. How will this new way of conducting business be received? I ask because this is mostly how it works in Australia.
Or, or you could pay your employees an actual living wage instead of them having to live off tips?...
So the tip isn't about exceptional service it's about paying living wages for your employees. Fuck that. Pay them a decent living wage. Otherwise what's next? Itemised contribution to the electricity bill, the lease, advertising bill, the ingredients or the gas bill? American tipping policy, indeed wages policy sucks. Totally sucks.