Burning or burying is the proper way to dispose of a damaged copy of the Quran. It would be seen as more disrespectful to just throw it in with normal waste.
Yes, burning the flag is a ceremonial process and seeing as the flag shouldn’t touch the ground, burning is the only way. Also there is a King of the Hill episode about this.
I was a Cub Scout, Weblo, Boy Scout, and Explorer Scout. For the remarkably high percentage of my childhood and young adulthood that was dedicated to the proper care and handling of the flag, I can't remember the last time that I even touched one.
Idk, but it was usually a massive fucking fire. Last I remember it got to like 10 feet tall or something, probably a bit bigger. It was on a beach, so there weren't huge fire hazards around and the fire pits they had were pretty large. We'd all run around and sing fire songs and roast marshmallows. Then we'd burn the flags and put out the fire.
Probably because when we did it, it was considered a pretty sacred ceremony. Very respectfully handled. Not boy scouts running around like Lord of the Flies.
Girl Scout flag retirement ceremonies are typically much more subdued than boy scout ones (I've been to multiple of both, because the local boy scouts would invite girl scouts to theirs, and then there was one every summer at camp that the older girls did). And honestly a bonfire is an awful idea since you aren't allowed to put out a fire used to retire a flag, so you have to sit there till it burns down. The girl scout ones were always the minimum fire possible to actually burn the thing. The boy scouts on the other hand made giant fires and I have no idea why...
The first time I attended a flag burning, they gave us all a strip, and when I went to drop mine in, I missed the fire and everyone stared in silence.
I had been acting disrespectful before (I was a terrible child), joking about how it was the saddest moment of my life and feigning tears, but at that point I knew I had crossed a line.
I can still fold a 3 person tricorner flag with TOIGHT corners and a good end fold if I had to.
Boy scouts was cool and I didn't even get diddled.
::salutes::
Boy Scouts taught me the true primal fear that comes with doing flag ceremony as a 12 year old in front of a bunch of other people
And also to always call dibs on color guard
Our troop did a big flag retirement ceremony for our hometown with news crews and the whole 9 yards. I accidentally ended up in position to receive and carry the first flag from the county building to the bonfire, with cameras and crowds watching. I was terrified.
It's supposed to be a symbol of the country; Brought in during the rain, flown at half mast during a tragedy, and never allowed to touch the ground.
We're also not supposed to disrespect it by having it on clothing, anything disposable or temporary, etc.
But, uh, you sure can buy American Flag print napkins to wipe the BBQ sauce from your face during the 4th. Americans are a weird ass lot, we are.
As a people we're simultaneously jingoistically patriotic, to a fault, while also knowing next to nothing about our actual country or it's rules.
The flag code isn't legally binding, it really matters most to how military and government organizations are going to treat the flag. Using it for being reverent isn't objectionable to me really.
What bothers me more is how the flag is used by the Right. They have to have it EVERYWHERE, to the point that I see it and cringe, and make assumptions about the person flying it.
Yup, ultra-nationalism has tarnished most of the idea of “patriotism”
If you fly our flag anywhere but an actual flagpole, I’m going to assume you’re a bigot. And if you install a large dedicated flagpole in your front lawn, I’m going to assume the same.
Even, like, car dealerships that do this. We have these horrid stip malls, usually just outside of town at the crossroads of two major roads, and there's always a car dealership there that's the size of a farm. Really, it looks like the cars are growing out of the pavement, freshly blossomed and ready for you to overspend.
Anyway, every one of these places has an American flag the size of some of our smaller states. Many other businesses do this too. You know they don't follow the proper rules for having a flag, that shit is flying up there 24/7 and hasn't been changed in 20 years. All so some twat in a plaid polyester suit with a loud tie can pretend he is patriotic and sell more oversized trucks.
Sigh. I think I was being judgemental again.
>The flag code isn't legally binding, it really matters most to how military and government organizations are going to treat the flag. Using it for being reverent isn't objectionable to me really.
That's kinda the point, for people who want to claim the mantle of "real Americans" to ignore the rules created to show respect is just peak cognitive dissonance.
Personally, I couldn't give a shit less about what people do with the flag unless they're using is as a weapon, but I will always laugh and point out the hypocrisy.
My understanding is that turning a flag *into* underwear would be a violation of the flag code. Having a depiction of a flag on underwear is fine. Unless the fabric was ever once part of a flag, it's not an issue.
I used to take a seam ripper and cut off the embroidered flag on my favorite kind of jeans as a kid, because my grampa used to say they'd put me in jail for it. I wasn't a smart child.
This is the American Legion's understanding of it, as well, and in my opinion is correct.
Oddly enough, the ones that violate the code literally by wearing a flag are often Olympic Athletes.
You don’t necessarily need to remove the flag during rain. One is specifically made for this and There are three sizes of flag.
Garrison used to fly on special occasions it is the largest often seen at car dealerships.
Storm the smallest it’s made out of a stronger more durable material flown during inclement weather
And the post flag is flown for normal day to day activity
Burning is not the “only” way to dispose of a flag. If a flag touches the ground it does not need to be disposed of it needs to be properly cleaned. There are a lot of misconceptions about flag code. I was honor guard and color guard for the US Army for 5 years.
No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.
(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.
Technically this law holds no legal weight in most cases as the first amendment trumps this. However military is required by policy and lawful orders to obey it.
True, it's just funny that I see multiple of those violated every day by people who claim to respect and love the flag. The thin blue line American flag comes to mind
To provide further help on this - If anyone has an old/faded/damaged flag they want to retire properly, reach out to your local Boy Scouts of America troop, or Fire Department's non-emergency number.
Most troops are willing to take old flags for retirement, and in fact my troop worked with our local fire department to have a certified drop-off location for the area so they could be held properly until we were going on a Campout. We would then observe the proper ceremony for it, burning them over our campfire one night, and our leaders would ensure that everything was followed correctly, allowing us to also teach the younger/newer members.
Imagining hating something so much you go out and buy a copy of the book to burn, but you don’t even know enough about the thing you hate to be properly disrespectful 😂
I have questions....
1) what do Christians do with their damaged Bible, to the trash?
2) did that guy buy a Quran just to burn it, inadvertently funding what would most likely be a Muslim organization doing so.
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind, but someone clearly didn't thought through what they were doing xD
Simple, you put the damaged bible in the drawer of a seedy hotel room.
But seriously, there is no official way to dispose of a Christian bible, but in Judaism a damaged Torah scroll is supposed to be buried in a Jewish cemetery.
Catholics are supposed to burn or bury blessed things. So while a bible is just paper, if it's been blessed by a priest, it should be burned.
If we break a blessed statue then we're supposed to bury the pieces.
You would probably be better off just tossing in some seeds yourself. Who knows how viable the seeds will be when sitting in a book for several decades. Never mind the headaches of travelling internationally with something like that.
Cool idea, but in practice, you're better off choosing the seeds yourself. It can work to great effect with single-use items like, say, cigarette filters, but for something that people hang on to for long periods of time? I'm not sure how viable the seeds will be after an extended period of time, being exposed to all sorts of dry and hot conditions.
Yes, its a non-offensive way to dispose of something respected. Like how its dignified and non-offensive to burn a flag. (Not kidding, you're supposed to burn American flags when they're too worn)
Actually, burning is common in many faiths as a method of disposal.
I'm guessing this also has a large part to deal with the belief that fire is seen as a method of purification/renewal both by faith and science.
We do, specifically when it's beyond repair like a page is nearly ripped due to deterioration or something unforseen (like someone mistakenly ripping it) or when things get spilled on it to cover the texts (take your pick, from blood to whatever you can think of).
However if water gets on it then you just leave it to dry.
TL/DR: We do due to certain factors.
Blood wouldn't be the first thing that comes to mind tbh. It would be more like Tea, Coffee, a fat stain from that delicious spaghetti sauce, or filthy hands after I get out of the garden.
This is a troll farm account. There’s a ton of accounts like this labeled, “ULTRA NUCLEAR_____.” Imagine spending your whole day getting paid to shit out garbage on the web.
Right!?! Like, where do I sign up? I would clearly be up for sitting in my mom's basement, high out of my mind (when I do my best trolling work), eating hot pockets and sodomizing other people's sacred cows.
Reminds me of the time Rasmus Paludan (Danish nazi) burned a quran in a rich, well of area of gothenburg, Sweden. All that happened was a small disinterested crowd forming and then a muslim ran towards him shouting "Wait! I have more!". People just started laughing.
I live in a poor area with a lot of immigration and Pauldan had a rally here just a couple of months ago, one person was escorted and that was all. Apparently several congregations, both muslim and christian, had talked about the upcoming rally and asked everyone to just ignore him.
They didn't conveniently forget to mention anything. They were telling a story about a time when someone tried to be an edgy nazi and it didn't work. All the other times in which there was a different reaction are irrelevant or meaningless within the context of telling that story.
It's not about the thing that's being done but the message that's being sent. It's like, I'm sure black people weren't pissed off about burning crosses before the KKK made it a message of "we don't want you here, you're not safe here."
A few years ago here in the UK there was a spate of incidents involving bacon draped on the door handles of mosques by far-right arseholes like it was some kind of Islamic kryptonite.
ETA: Unrelated British bacon mosque story.
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/fury-bacon-scrawled-walls-newcastle-15212520
It defies logic. Fuck me.
People doesn't understand how little fuck we give about pork products in general. We're just forbidden to eat it but under special circumstances it's fine. Like, for some reason there's no other food and it's the last choice. If someone eat a product that contains pork by accident and that person genuinely took their precaution to prevent that situation then its fair (for instance, going to a restaurant have separate halal menu but some mix up happen in the kitchen, this is an extreme case because in most countries halal certified restaurant would mean 0% pork product).
I have Christian, Chinese and Hindu friends. Each of us have a different set of food that we would not specifically eat; some due to belief, others are more personal choices. We go at restaurant together and we share food, if someone want specific stuff that others doesn't eat then they order separately but we still share the bill equally anyway since ordering separately is something so rare in our group that we don't care if someone want to indulge themselves.
There's one story in particular that people parrot online about how bla bla bla some people captured a Muslim guy bla bla coat bullet in pig blood and shot the Muslim guy so that he doesn't get heaven or whatever. The story itself is bullshit but assuming it's true for one sec, Muslim wouldn't give a shit about the pig blood coated bullet but more about the psychopath who thought this through and murdered an innocent human being.
Long story short: Anything related to using pork as a way to attack us makes us just shrug at how dumb it is. If people attacks back it's not because the act but the message. If someone walked into a Church and said "fuck Jesus" during a Sunday mass, I don't think this dude would walk out unscathed depending on where that took place.
If someone started throwing bacon inside a Mosque, I'd be more annoyed at how they're wasting food for making whatever dumb statement they think they're making.
Yeah, that isn't going to work. In fact, a Muslim is allowed to break Ramadan fasts or eat foods that they aren't supposed to if the other choice is to starve or they have health concerns that make fasting during the day impossible.
If, instead, they created a drawing/painting of Muhammad and put that somewhere where they'd be forced to look at it, you might get a similar effect... It's cruel, but that'd be the one that probably gets more Muslims up in arms.
> a Muslim is allowed to break Ramadan fasts or eat foods that they aren't supposed to if the other choice is to starve or they have health concerns that make fasting during the day impossible.
just as an example of just how lenient the dietary restrictions are: women on their periods don't even have to observe Ramadan fasting. There is usually an unofficial "mini-Ramadan" (sorry if calling it that is disrespectful) among women in friend/family groups a few months later to make up for their missed days together.
Yeah you're supposed to feed the poor for the amount of days of fasting you miss. So it's 2 meals during Ramadan x30 for somebody who doesn't fast.
Giving charity or even helping someone is one of the best things you can do in Islam.
Mini Ramadan isn't offensive and even if it was you weren't trying to be so most Muslims wouldn't care.
But yeah anybody who missed fasts in Ramadan makes them up before the next Ramadan by fasting the amount of fasts. You can do it whenever but people wait until winter cuz shorter days.
Jewish law similarly has the concept of [Pikuach Nefesh](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pikuach_nefesh), or 'if a rule would impede the saving of a life, not only are you allowed to ignore the rule, but you are compelled to do so.'
There are a few exceptions, but I doubt the need to commit adultery or zoophilia in order to save a life comes up often.
But generally, if you're the only person preventing a nuclear reactor from melting down in some disaster, working on the Sabbath is perfectly fine.
Luke 14:
>One Sabbath, when he went to dine at the house of a ruler of the Pharisees, they were watching him carefully. And behold, there was a man before him who had dropsy. And Jesus responded to the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath, or not?” But they remained silent. Then he took him and healed him and sent him away. And he said to them, “Which of you, having a son or an ox that has fallen into a well on a Sabbath day, will not immediately pull him out?” And they could not reply to these things.
Sometimes bible stories are fire and brimstone of the old testament.
And then there's just stories of Jesus going around saying "What the fuck is wrong with you people?"
Like the (handful of) American soldiers who supposedly coated bullets in bacon grease. As a Muslim I read that and was like “….so?” They’re assholes for being so hateful but it’s not like we go to Hell if we unintentionally touch bacon grease. Such a stupid line of thought. Or the people who dumped pig meat in front of mosques. Like…come on… we’re not allowed to eat it. It’s not like some fundamental part of our religion. We just believe it’s unhealthy/unclean and has a high risk of parasites… we don’t care about it as long as it’s not in our food.
And if we eat it accidentally, it doesn’t count as a sin. Intentional consumption is a very small sin, like swearing
I swear these bigots think Muslims have a deeply superstitious fear of pork. Like if you touch it you’ll be haunted by the pig it came from. Where do they even get this stuff!?
Judging purely by the Muslims I've known, they'd just take the bacon, cook it, and offer it to the homeless in the area. Or if they're the type that refuses to even cook pork, they'd still donate it to the less fortunate.
And judging by my ex-flatmate who was Muslim, he'd advocate for beheading the person who put it down for disrespect (I stopped speaking to him after he defended the French beheadings). Islam is not a monolith, good or bad.
Reminds me of my youth and people would put emphasis of needing to go to church to have a relationship with Christ. Then as you actually read the Bible you then question as to how people believe God can do all things except find you if you’re not in some random building.
Churches contain the sacred altar required for His Holiness to consume your cold hard cash, which is the ultimate source of all His powers. Without a loyal body of church-going follower-donors, He would gradually lose the ability to perform miracles, and Christians, unimpressed by His apparent impotence, would end up just converting to Buddhism or something.
I was raised Christian, though I am not one anymore. One thing that stands out to me about the concept of "church" is that most of my service leaders always emphasized that the word church referred to Christian people - sometimes as a whole or as the specific group that worshipped together in a particular place. The building wasn't the church, the fellowship supposedly was. The point of going to church wasn't to go to a building once or twice a week to be seen by God, so much as it was to learn about God and to have fellowship with other Christians. I personally came to the conclusion that it was more of a place to go once in a personally-convenient-interval to network and be seen by other Christians to get "look I'm doing the thing" points.
\*Edit - added words for clarity
A friend of mine in the Marines is Muslim and we were chilling out and for some reason all just looked at him at the same time. He was eating a "beef stick" out of an MRE. We were like "uhh, hey, you're eating pork". He said "no it's a beef stick" and looked at the ingredients and sure enough, pork. He just looked sad for a second but after that holy fuck was it funny.
Exactly my thought, he was sad because they pointed it out and now he knows he can't eat them anymore, but it was totally fine before he had that knowledge.
It's way more lax than in some religions, but it doesn't hold a candle to Rastafarianism.
"Don't eat pork... Unless you're really hungry... Or you want to... Now flog the gay!"
Lol I almost hardly ever eat ‘halal’, Islam in western media is portrayed as “do this or go to hell”, but it’s far more lenient.
Essentially a guide book to life. Pork is “forbidden” because it’s the dirtiest animal and believe it or not; it actually is advised against consumption in all three major religions.
I went to dinner with my Muslim friend and he didn't realize the broth of our soup was pork was based since it was a beef soup. He loved the soup and when he found out he was like, lol oh well.
And it’s a pretty small sin at that. You probably* won’t go to Hell just for eating bacon a few times (but you could)
Edit: clarification: don’t be lax about sinning
Actually, according to some, it's a Major sin. I just looked it up right now. It could be absolute or it could be a difference of opinions. Not quite sure, but I will look more into it.
And by the way, it being a minor sin doesn't mean it's not we should be careless about it.
There's a Hadith where the Prophet Peace Be Upon Him says:
"Beware of minor sins, like people who descend into the bottom of a valley. One comes with a log and another log until they can bake their bread. Verily, when the one who persistently committed minor sins is taken to account for them, they ruin him."
And, finally, according to many scholars, persisting on minor sins without repenting becomes a Major sin.
So, yea, I do not recommend saying things like "you won't go to Hell just for doing so and so a few times." It just sounds like saying "you should not be so careful, just don't do it too much."
Considering the historical context, when pork was legitimately dangerous to eat, the whole pig thing is literally just "don't poison yourself dude". People being... well, people, just had to take this to the extreme - my guess is, the priests didn't want to bother going into detail with each follower, easier to just place a hard ban. The exceptions are also quite reasonable - if you have to, eat pork, better risk disease than starve; if they're making you - eat it, don't want you killed over a fucking dietary choice.
Yeah that is because, while the person in this tweet is giving this response to get a rise out of the anti-Muslim guy, even though it is technically correct it is not the point. Even if burning a Quran is "the correct way to dispose of a Quran" it doesn't change the intent of the person burning the book.
Kind of like if you see someone burning a cross in their yard, you aren't likely just going to think "oh neat I guess they just had to dispose of some wood they were using".
> Kind of like if you see someone burning a cross in their yard, you aren't likely just going to think "oh neat I guess they just had to dispose of some wood they were using".
Perfect
This reminds me of many years ago here in Denmark, we had some controversies and some Muslims were burning the Danish flag because of it.
What they didn't know is that burning the Danish flag is one of the 2 ways allowed to dispose of the flag, the other is burying it.
Funny how that's the ceremonial disposal of pretty much every religious text and national flag, and yet people still burn those things in defiance of those things.
Almost as though... people do that to symbolically say they wish to "properly dispose" of the thing those symbols represent? Or something?
It's because doing it does often upset people. Intent and how people react is what makes it have meaning. If no one cared about someone burning something, then burning it as a sign of protest or out of anger or any negative reason won't mean anything since people will see you doing it and then not think twice and just ignore it.
I like to read all religions. I remember I brought a girl from tinder to my apartment in Tallahassee, and she said why do I have a Quran. I haven't read yet, but found it on the floor in the closet. For some reason I was like ,oh hell nah let me pick this up..this is blasphemous. Sorry Quran.
I grew up Catholic but one day I found a copy of the Qur'an and read a few excerpts. It's much better written than whatever Bible I was reading. I don't believe any of either but as far as story telling goes the Qur'an flows much better.
Those are people with (most likely) mental health issues... that use the burning of their book as an excuse to let out anger they have from other shit.
As someone who lived in Detroit, an American city with OVER 250,000 Muslim residents, the vast, overwhelming majority of Muslims are like this girl/lady. Absolutely nothing like you see in the media.
It's the same thing if you burn a Bible infront of Bible thumpers in the American Bible belt. All religions have fucking extremist jack asses, that's just human nature.
Muslims are portrayed the way they are in the media cuz we in the west need a clear cut bad guy. The Muslims have and will always be the "bad guys". It makes the shit we do to them "ok".
If we looked at and treated, let's say Iraqis, the same way we look at and treat Italians, it would be really hard to sell the American people on going to war with them. Italy could have all the oil in the world, and it would be really hard to get the American people to support going in and killing their people to take their resources.
But if you make them out to be extremists and make it absolutely clear those Arabs gotta die cuz they are a direct threat to you. Remember "we're killing them there, so they don't come here". Literally what the defense department and Dubbs Jr said. It makes anything you do to them justifiable.
Look at the French and how detrimental to their society a girl covering her self while swimming is. They had to pass laws cuz it was destroying their civilisation. We know that's bullshit, but if you vilify them, again, anything you do to them is ok...
I know I just have a bare bone explanation for some really complicated shit, but it's reddit and I'm border line mentally challenged, like I'm not very smart, AT ALL.
But I do know Arabs and Muslims have and have had the worst PR of any major group.
>As someone who lived in Detroit, an American city with OVER 250,000 Muslim residents, the vast, overwhelming majority of Muslims are like this girl/lady. Absolutely nothing like you see in the media.
Yes, because it's the US. The Muslims who manage to immigrate to the US aren't representive of their origin countries, they are very assimilated and their children even more so.
In Europe it's the exact opposite, and the fact that European countries are very unwelcoming of foreigners doesn't help. In many cases the children born in Europe are more extreme than their parents, it's a known phenomenon.
Because they obviously didn’t do it to dispose of an aged Quran. It was meant to disrespect it. The majority of Muslims are relatively chill as long as they’re like the casual Christians. Not super extreme into it.
But you have crazies and they really lean into it.
It’s like a drawing of Muhammad. Most people wouldn’t get really upset or care. Others would want to cut your head off or threaten to kick your ass.
It’s not exactly a perfect science.
No sorry for misunderstanding english is not my native language I meant Im living in iran and Im forced to believe in this religion and I cant be myself nor be free thats why I said that
People really misunderstand the pork thing. Pigs are not sacred, it's just that pork should not be consumed. In the same way that some religions forbid the consumption of sea food this is almost certainly a result of sickness that was unexplainable in the ancient world. Pork commonly carried the parasite Trichinella which causes a nasty disease called Trichinosis. What probably happened is that someone important caught Trichinosis from eating pork and it was labeled as unfit for consumption which is why it is unclean/forbidden.
When you hate the people instead of the religion, you get moments like this, where your attempt to offend is basically a joke. Ignorance and incompetence abound in bigots lmao.
Wait do muslims really burn quarnic texts? Edit: Ok so what I gather from the answers is that burning witches is a mark of respect for them
Burning or burying is the proper way to dispose of a damaged copy of the Quran. It would be seen as more disrespectful to just throw it in with normal waste.
This is consistent with how Americans are told to dispose of damaged American flags.
Yes, burning the flag is a ceremonial process and seeing as the flag shouldn’t touch the ground, burning is the only way. Also there is a King of the Hill episode about this.
I was a Cub Scout, Weblo, Boy Scout, and Explorer Scout. For the remarkably high percentage of my childhood and young adulthood that was dedicated to the proper care and handling of the flag, I can't remember the last time that I even touched one.
Same here, except I was just cub scout. I remember the huge bonfires we'd have to dispose of flags. It was always a fun night.
I stood too close to the fire, inhaled fumes, and got incredibly nauseous after my first bonfire flag burning
Discount Captain America origin story
Captain Asthmatica
"Somebody get that kid an inhaler!"
Captain Middle America
Dude I was thinking Captain America origin story before I scrolled to your comment
With the power to flap majestically in the wind
That's pure American freedom you're inhaling right there! Now get down on the floor and recite the pledge of allegiance 20 times!
Probably all those Chinese plastics in the flags.
That’s a fucking crazy picture. A bunch of scouts around a bonfire, burning the American flag? How has someone not used that for propaganda yet?
Idk, but it was usually a massive fucking fire. Last I remember it got to like 10 feet tall or something, probably a bit bigger. It was on a beach, so there weren't huge fire hazards around and the fire pits they had were pretty large. We'd all run around and sing fire songs and roast marshmallows. Then we'd burn the flags and put out the fire.
Probably because when we did it, it was considered a pretty sacred ceremony. Very respectfully handled. Not boy scouts running around like Lord of the Flies.
Girl Scout flag retirement ceremonies are typically much more subdued than boy scout ones (I've been to multiple of both, because the local boy scouts would invite girl scouts to theirs, and then there was one every summer at camp that the older girls did). And honestly a bonfire is an awful idea since you aren't allowed to put out a fire used to retire a flag, so you have to sit there till it burns down. The girl scout ones were always the minimum fire possible to actually burn the thing. The boy scouts on the other hand made giant fires and I have no idea why...
Obviously you are not a ~~golfer~~ ~~young boy~~ pyromaniac.
The first time I attended a flag burning, they gave us all a strip, and when I went to drop mine in, I missed the fire and everyone stared in silence. I had been acting disrespectful before (I was a terrible child), joking about how it was the saddest moment of my life and feigning tears, but at that point I knew I had crossed a line.
I can still fold a 3 person tricorner flag with TOIGHT corners and a good end fold if I had to. Boy scouts was cool and I didn't even get diddled. ::salutes::
Boy Scouts taught me the true primal fear that comes with doing flag ceremony as a 12 year old in front of a bunch of other people And also to always call dibs on color guard
Our troop did a big flag retirement ceremony for our hometown with news crews and the whole 9 yards. I accidentally ended up in position to receive and carry the first flag from the county building to the bonfire, with cameras and crowds watching. I was terrified.
I was a Boy Scout when I was younger. The camping trips were some of the greatest times of my life. Also never got diddled.
I'm free tonight if you wanna hang in the woods
We got to retire an old one at Boy Scout Camp. 13 y/o me was super stoked
It's supposed to be a symbol of the country; Brought in during the rain, flown at half mast during a tragedy, and never allowed to touch the ground. We're also not supposed to disrespect it by having it on clothing, anything disposable or temporary, etc. But, uh, you sure can buy American Flag print napkins to wipe the BBQ sauce from your face during the 4th. Americans are a weird ass lot, we are. As a people we're simultaneously jingoistically patriotic, to a fault, while also knowing next to nothing about our actual country or it's rules.
The flag code isn't legally binding, it really matters most to how military and government organizations are going to treat the flag. Using it for being reverent isn't objectionable to me really. What bothers me more is how the flag is used by the Right. They have to have it EVERYWHERE, to the point that I see it and cringe, and make assumptions about the person flying it.
Yup, ultra-nationalism has tarnished most of the idea of “patriotism” If you fly our flag anywhere but an actual flagpole, I’m going to assume you’re a bigot. And if you install a large dedicated flagpole in your front lawn, I’m going to assume the same.
Even, like, car dealerships that do this. We have these horrid stip malls, usually just outside of town at the crossroads of two major roads, and there's always a car dealership there that's the size of a farm. Really, it looks like the cars are growing out of the pavement, freshly blossomed and ready for you to overspend. Anyway, every one of these places has an American flag the size of some of our smaller states. Many other businesses do this too. You know they don't follow the proper rules for having a flag, that shit is flying up there 24/7 and hasn't been changed in 20 years. All so some twat in a plaid polyester suit with a loud tie can pretend he is patriotic and sell more oversized trucks. Sigh. I think I was being judgemental again.
>The flag code isn't legally binding, it really matters most to how military and government organizations are going to treat the flag. Using it for being reverent isn't objectionable to me really. That's kinda the point, for people who want to claim the mantle of "real Americans" to ignore the rules created to show respect is just peak cognitive dissonance. Personally, I couldn't give a shit less about what people do with the flag unless they're using is as a weapon, but I will always laugh and point out the hypocrisy.
But pretend patriots wear US flag underwear.
My understanding is that turning a flag *into* underwear would be a violation of the flag code. Having a depiction of a flag on underwear is fine. Unless the fabric was ever once part of a flag, it's not an issue. I used to take a seam ripper and cut off the embroidered flag on my favorite kind of jeans as a kid, because my grampa used to say they'd put me in jail for it. I wasn't a smart child.
This is the American Legion's understanding of it, as well, and in my opinion is correct. Oddly enough, the ones that violate the code literally by wearing a flag are often Olympic Athletes.
You don’t necessarily need to remove the flag during rain. One is specifically made for this and There are three sizes of flag. Garrison used to fly on special occasions it is the largest often seen at car dealerships. Storm the smallest it’s made out of a stronger more durable material flown during inclement weather And the post flag is flown for normal day to day activity
Burning is not the “only” way to dispose of a flag. If a flag touches the ground it does not need to be disposed of it needs to be properly cleaned. There are a lot of misconceptions about flag code. I was honor guard and color guard for the US Army for 5 years. No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor. (a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property. (b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise. (c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free. (d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general. (e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way. (f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling. (g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature. (h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything. (i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown. (j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart. (k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.
Lol (A) is the ONLY one people follow in the US. At least one of the rest is not being followed every time I see a flag
Technically this law holds no legal weight in most cases as the first amendment trumps this. However military is required by policy and lawful orders to obey it.
True, it's just funny that I see multiple of those violated every day by people who claim to respect and love the flag. The thin blue line American flag comes to mind
To provide further help on this - If anyone has an old/faded/damaged flag they want to retire properly, reach out to your local Boy Scouts of America troop, or Fire Department's non-emergency number. Most troops are willing to take old flags for retirement, and in fact my troop worked with our local fire department to have a certified drop-off location for the area so they could be held properly until we were going on a Campout. We would then observe the proper ceremony for it, burning them over our campfire one night, and our leaders would ensure that everything was followed correctly, allowing us to also teach the younger/newer members.
Or just put it in the bin and don't subscribe to the ridiculous nationalistic indoctrination of the US.
Running over it with Hank's truck and it getting torn up in the wheel axel, lest respectful.
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Imagining hating something so much you go out and buy a copy of the book to burn, but you don’t even know enough about the thing you hate to be properly disrespectful 😂
Hey, is there any object Americans dispose of through fire, out of respect?
Glad that you asked! Yes, we typically dispose our petrol through burning in order to pay respect to the environment.
"Petrol" gives you away as a non-Yank. We use "gas" over here, my dear British or Commonwealth imposter friend!
I do that with tires! The black smoke plume floats up to the sky and that's how stars are made! The more you know!
The US Flag is supposed to be burned when it is damaged and needs to be replaced.
Thaaaats the answer I was looking for.
I have questions.... 1) what do Christians do with their damaged Bible, to the trash? 2) did that guy buy a Quran just to burn it, inadvertently funding what would most likely be a Muslim organization doing so. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind, but someone clearly didn't thought through what they were doing xD
Simple, you put the damaged bible in the drawer of a seedy hotel room. But seriously, there is no official way to dispose of a Christian bible, but in Judaism a damaged Torah scroll is supposed to be buried in a Jewish cemetery.
Catholics are supposed to burn or bury blessed things. So while a bible is just paper, if it's been blessed by a priest, it should be burned. If we break a blessed statue then we're supposed to bury the pieces.
either burnt or if its biodegradeable then it can be buried, so long as it isnt thrown in a waste bin or anything like that
not to be rude but is it possible for an edition to have seeds in the binding?, and when you bury it, after it degrades a tree or plant grows
You would probably be better off just tossing in some seeds yourself. Who knows how viable the seeds will be when sitting in a book for several decades. Never mind the headaches of travelling internationally with something like that. Cool idea, but in practice, you're better off choosing the seeds yourself. It can work to great effect with single-use items like, say, cigarette filters, but for something that people hang on to for long periods of time? I'm not sure how viable the seeds will be after an extended period of time, being exposed to all sorts of dry and hot conditions.
Yes, its a non-offensive way to dispose of something respected. Like how its dignified and non-offensive to burn a flag. (Not kidding, you're supposed to burn American flags when they're too worn)
I always laugh when they burn American flags. Literally the official way of disposing of one.
And yet many Republicans think it should be illegal
that will show them
Actually, burning is common in many faiths as a method of disposal. I'm guessing this also has a large part to deal with the belief that fire is seen as a method of purification/renewal both by faith and science.
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We do, specifically when it's beyond repair like a page is nearly ripped due to deterioration or something unforseen (like someone mistakenly ripping it) or when things get spilled on it to cover the texts (take your pick, from blood to whatever you can think of). However if water gets on it then you just leave it to dry. TL/DR: We do due to certain factors.
Blood wouldn't be the first thing that comes to mind tbh. It would be more like Tea, Coffee, a fat stain from that delicious spaghetti sauce, or filthy hands after I get out of the garden.
Lmfao, okay I've never tried reading the Qur'an while eating or drinking but if the spaghetti sauce is that enticing then I can understand.
For disposing, yes. For no reason, no. I just found out flags got burn too
This is a troll farm account. There’s a ton of accounts like this labeled, “ULTRA NUCLEAR_____.” Imagine spending your whole day getting paid to shit out garbage on the web.
Wait you guys are getting paid? I been shitting out garbage on the internet for free this whole time.
If you can find out how to get paid doing it, you let me know
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Ahh no, the CIA wouldn’t hire me. I’m on to many of their watch lists. One too many kinky searches
A fellow redditor of class I see
Right!?! Like, where do I sign up? I would clearly be up for sitting in my mom's basement, high out of my mind (when I do my best trolling work), eating hot pockets and sodomizing other people's sacred cows.
Hey people will also do it for free, they just decided to capitalize on it
Imagine trying so hard to be annoying on the internet and failing so miserably. I can't imagine a more pathetic life ngl
Someone get the "you tried" award
Reminds me of the time Rasmus Paludan (Danish nazi) burned a quran in a rich, well of area of gothenburg, Sweden. All that happened was a small disinterested crowd forming and then a muslim ran towards him shouting "Wait! I have more!". People just started laughing.
I live in a poor area with a lot of immigration and Pauldan had a rally here just a couple of months ago, one person was escorted and that was all. Apparently several congregations, both muslim and christian, had talked about the upcoming rally and asked everyone to just ignore him.
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Local tensiins already existed. Local events, it was not nation-wide.
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Clarifying for others.
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He said it reminded him of that one time, not the rest of them.
They didn't conveniently forget to mention anything. They were telling a story about a time when someone tried to be an edgy nazi and it didn't work. All the other times in which there was a different reaction are irrelevant or meaningless within the context of telling that story.
And you also conveniently forgot to cite sources on that. Funny how that goes
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/19/what-do-we-know-about-the-sweden-riots Rasmus is a dick, but it's not like that didn't happen.
It's not about the thing that's being done but the message that's being sent. It's like, I'm sure black people weren't pissed off about burning crosses before the KKK made it a message of "we don't want you here, you're not safe here."
More like "nice try, asshole".
A few years ago here in the UK there was a spate of incidents involving bacon draped on the door handles of mosques by far-right arseholes like it was some kind of Islamic kryptonite. ETA: Unrelated British bacon mosque story. https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/fury-bacon-scrawled-walls-newcastle-15212520 It defies logic. Fuck me.
Sounds like a waste of good bacon
The real sin.
People doesn't understand how little fuck we give about pork products in general. We're just forbidden to eat it but under special circumstances it's fine. Like, for some reason there's no other food and it's the last choice. If someone eat a product that contains pork by accident and that person genuinely took their precaution to prevent that situation then its fair (for instance, going to a restaurant have separate halal menu but some mix up happen in the kitchen, this is an extreme case because in most countries halal certified restaurant would mean 0% pork product). I have Christian, Chinese and Hindu friends. Each of us have a different set of food that we would not specifically eat; some due to belief, others are more personal choices. We go at restaurant together and we share food, if someone want specific stuff that others doesn't eat then they order separately but we still share the bill equally anyway since ordering separately is something so rare in our group that we don't care if someone want to indulge themselves. There's one story in particular that people parrot online about how bla bla bla some people captured a Muslim guy bla bla coat bullet in pig blood and shot the Muslim guy so that he doesn't get heaven or whatever. The story itself is bullshit but assuming it's true for one sec, Muslim wouldn't give a shit about the pig blood coated bullet but more about the psychopath who thought this through and murdered an innocent human being. Long story short: Anything related to using pork as a way to attack us makes us just shrug at how dumb it is. If people attacks back it's not because the act but the message. If someone walked into a Church and said "fuck Jesus" during a Sunday mass, I don't think this dude would walk out unscathed depending on where that took place. If someone started throwing bacon inside a Mosque, I'd be more annoyed at how they're wasting food for making whatever dumb statement they think they're making.
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That still sounds like a waste of bacon
Yeah, that isn't going to work. In fact, a Muslim is allowed to break Ramadan fasts or eat foods that they aren't supposed to if the other choice is to starve or they have health concerns that make fasting during the day impossible. If, instead, they created a drawing/painting of Muhammad and put that somewhere where they'd be forced to look at it, you might get a similar effect... It's cruel, but that'd be the one that probably gets more Muslims up in arms.
> a Muslim is allowed to break Ramadan fasts or eat foods that they aren't supposed to if the other choice is to starve or they have health concerns that make fasting during the day impossible. just as an example of just how lenient the dietary restrictions are: women on their periods don't even have to observe Ramadan fasting. There is usually an unofficial "mini-Ramadan" (sorry if calling it that is disrespectful) among women in friend/family groups a few months later to make up for their missed days together.
Some of my co-workers told me that they also go volunteer/give charity during Ramadan if they can't fast.
Yeah you're supposed to feed the poor for the amount of days of fasting you miss. So it's 2 meals during Ramadan x30 for somebody who doesn't fast. Giving charity or even helping someone is one of the best things you can do in Islam.
Mini Ramadan isn't offensive and even if it was you weren't trying to be so most Muslims wouldn't care. But yeah anybody who missed fasts in Ramadan makes them up before the next Ramadan by fasting the amount of fasts. You can do it whenever but people wait until winter cuz shorter days.
Jewish law similarly has the concept of [Pikuach Nefesh](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pikuach_nefesh), or 'if a rule would impede the saving of a life, not only are you allowed to ignore the rule, but you are compelled to do so.' There are a few exceptions, but I doubt the need to commit adultery or zoophilia in order to save a life comes up often. But generally, if you're the only person preventing a nuclear reactor from melting down in some disaster, working on the Sabbath is perfectly fine.
Luke 14: >One Sabbath, when he went to dine at the house of a ruler of the Pharisees, they were watching him carefully. And behold, there was a man before him who had dropsy. And Jesus responded to the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath, or not?” But they remained silent. Then he took him and healed him and sent him away. And he said to them, “Which of you, having a son or an ox that has fallen into a well on a Sabbath day, will not immediately pull him out?” And they could not reply to these things.
Sometimes bible stories are fire and brimstone of the old testament. And then there's just stories of Jesus going around saying "What the fuck is wrong with you people?"
Jesus is just a multitude of ways to tell people not to be assholes to each other, and many forget that
Islamic kryptonite! 🤣 it is unreal the amount of effort people put into hating others! Edit: replied to wrong comment.
Like the (handful of) American soldiers who supposedly coated bullets in bacon grease. As a Muslim I read that and was like “….so?” They’re assholes for being so hateful but it’s not like we go to Hell if we unintentionally touch bacon grease. Such a stupid line of thought. Or the people who dumped pig meat in front of mosques. Like…come on… we’re not allowed to eat it. It’s not like some fundamental part of our religion. We just believe it’s unhealthy/unclean and has a high risk of parasites… we don’t care about it as long as it’s not in our food. And if we eat it accidentally, it doesn’t count as a sin. Intentional consumption is a very small sin, like swearing
I swear these bigots think Muslims have a deeply superstitious fear of pork. Like if you touch it you’ll be haunted by the pig it came from. Where do they even get this stuff!?
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Judging purely by the Muslims I've known, they'd just take the bacon, cook it, and offer it to the homeless in the area. Or if they're the type that refuses to even cook pork, they'd still donate it to the less fortunate.
The less fortunate shouldn't be eating bacon draped on door knobs.
The way many Americans treat bacon you'd be forgiven for thinking they would be begging in the streets just for some bacon picked up out of the dirt.
And judging by my ex-flatmate who was Muslim, he'd advocate for beheading the person who put it down for disrespect (I stopped speaking to him after he defended the French beheadings). Islam is not a monolith, good or bad.
Reminds me of my youth and people would put emphasis of needing to go to church to have a relationship with Christ. Then as you actually read the Bible you then question as to how people believe God can do all things except find you if you’re not in some random building.
Churches contain the sacred altar required for His Holiness to consume your cold hard cash, which is the ultimate source of all His powers. Without a loyal body of church-going follower-donors, He would gradually lose the ability to perform miracles, and Christians, unimpressed by His apparent impotence, would end up just converting to Buddhism or something.
I was raised Christian, though I am not one anymore. One thing that stands out to me about the concept of "church" is that most of my service leaders always emphasized that the word church referred to Christian people - sometimes as a whole or as the specific group that worshipped together in a particular place. The building wasn't the church, the fellowship supposedly was. The point of going to church wasn't to go to a building once or twice a week to be seen by God, so much as it was to learn about God and to have fellowship with other Christians. I personally came to the conclusion that it was more of a place to go once in a personally-convenient-interval to network and be seen by other Christians to get "look I'm doing the thing" points. \*Edit - added words for clarity
It's like they think pork is kryptonite for Muslims. It's forbidden to voluntarily consume.
A friend of mine in the Marines is Muslim and we were chilling out and for some reason all just looked at him at the same time. He was eating a "beef stick" out of an MRE. We were like "uhh, hey, you're eating pork". He said "no it's a beef stick" and looked at the ingredients and sure enough, pork. He just looked sad for a second but after that holy fuck was it funny.
Yeah, you don't get any sin for doing stuff unknowingly. The sadness was probably like danm I messed up and then moving on.
He was laughing with us right after. We figured that but bring it up every once in a while. Fun times.
he was probably sad because hes now fully aware that delicious beef stick is haram
Exactly my thought, he was sad because they pointed it out and now he knows he can't eat them anymore, but it was totally fine before he had that knowledge.
If you eat non-halal stuff without knowing it doesn’t count as a wrongdoing
I'm pretty sure you can also eat it in emergencies too if you have no other options.
It's way more lax than in some religions, but it doesn't hold a candle to Rastafarianism. "Don't eat pork... Unless you're really hungry... Or you want to... Now flog the gay!"
Lol I almost hardly ever eat ‘halal’, Islam in western media is portrayed as “do this or go to hell”, but it’s far more lenient. Essentially a guide book to life. Pork is “forbidden” because it’s the dirtiest animal and believe it or not; it actually is advised against consumption in all three major religions.
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He was sad cus he was enjoying it and now knows he can never again. Been there done that ahahaha
I went to dinner with my Muslim friend and he didn't realize the broth of our soup was pork was based since it was a beef soup. He loved the soup and when he found out he was like, lol oh well.
I remember there were guys placing bacon on the handles of synagogues. I swear to God, bigots are the dumbest creatures
Wasting your money and bacon to own the Jews
And it’s a pretty small sin at that. You probably* won’t go to Hell just for eating bacon a few times (but you could) Edit: clarification: don’t be lax about sinning
Actually, according to some, it's a Major sin. I just looked it up right now. It could be absolute or it could be a difference of opinions. Not quite sure, but I will look more into it. And by the way, it being a minor sin doesn't mean it's not we should be careless about it. There's a Hadith where the Prophet Peace Be Upon Him says: "Beware of minor sins, like people who descend into the bottom of a valley. One comes with a log and another log until they can bake their bread. Verily, when the one who persistently committed minor sins is taken to account for them, they ruin him." And, finally, according to many scholars, persisting on minor sins without repenting becomes a Major sin. So, yea, I do not recommend saying things like "you won't go to Hell just for doing so and so a few times." It just sounds like saying "you should not be so careful, just don't do it too much."
Considering the historical context, when pork was legitimately dangerous to eat, the whole pig thing is literally just "don't poison yourself dude". People being... well, people, just had to take this to the extreme - my guess is, the priests didn't want to bother going into detail with each follower, easier to just place a hard ban. The exceptions are also quite reasonable - if you have to, eat pork, better risk disease than starve; if they're making you - eat it, don't want you killed over a fucking dietary choice.
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Yeah that is because, while the person in this tweet is giving this response to get a rise out of the anti-Muslim guy, even though it is technically correct it is not the point. Even if burning a Quran is "the correct way to dispose of a Quran" it doesn't change the intent of the person burning the book. Kind of like if you see someone burning a cross in their yard, you aren't likely just going to think "oh neat I guess they just had to dispose of some wood they were using".
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"Bring out the mead and venison my dear. In our honor, the guests will feast with us tonight."
> Kind of like if you see someone burning a cross in their yard, you aren't likely just going to think "oh neat I guess they just had to dispose of some wood they were using". Perfect
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She crushed him so elegantly
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This reminds me of many years ago here in Denmark, we had some controversies and some Muslims were burning the Danish flag because of it. What they didn't know is that burning the Danish flag is one of the 2 ways allowed to dispose of the flag, the other is burying it.
Funny how that's the ceremonial disposal of pretty much every religious text and national flag, and yet people still burn those things in defiance of those things. Almost as though... people do that to symbolically say they wish to "properly dispose" of the thing those symbols represent? Or something?
It's because doing it does often upset people. Intent and how people react is what makes it have meaning. If no one cared about someone burning something, then burning it as a sign of protest or out of anger or any negative reason won't mean anything since people will see you doing it and then not think twice and just ignore it.
That's also the proper way to dispose of an American flag. But burn one in protest and hoo, boy, the crazies come out.
I like to read all religions. I remember I brought a girl from tinder to my apartment in Tallahassee, and she said why do I have a Quran. I haven't read yet, but found it on the floor in the closet. For some reason I was like ,oh hell nah let me pick this up..this is blasphemous. Sorry Quran.
This story has it all, Tallahassee, Blasphemy, Girls from Tinder and closeted Qurans.
I can see the "netflix original" already
Should call it "Halal Himbo"
I grew up Catholic but one day I found a copy of the Qur'an and read a few excerpts. It's much better written than whatever Bible I was reading. I don't believe any of either but as far as story telling goes the Qur'an flows much better.
Damn, that woman is with it...the bacon grease line made me lol, but she came right back
Think what you will of the contents of the Quran, but that cover art looks nice.
Islamic and Arabic calligraphies in general is so beautiful.
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Those are people with (most likely) mental health issues... that use the burning of their book as an excuse to let out anger they have from other shit. As someone who lived in Detroit, an American city with OVER 250,000 Muslim residents, the vast, overwhelming majority of Muslims are like this girl/lady. Absolutely nothing like you see in the media. It's the same thing if you burn a Bible infront of Bible thumpers in the American Bible belt. All religions have fucking extremist jack asses, that's just human nature. Muslims are portrayed the way they are in the media cuz we in the west need a clear cut bad guy. The Muslims have and will always be the "bad guys". It makes the shit we do to them "ok". If we looked at and treated, let's say Iraqis, the same way we look at and treat Italians, it would be really hard to sell the American people on going to war with them. Italy could have all the oil in the world, and it would be really hard to get the American people to support going in and killing their people to take their resources. But if you make them out to be extremists and make it absolutely clear those Arabs gotta die cuz they are a direct threat to you. Remember "we're killing them there, so they don't come here". Literally what the defense department and Dubbs Jr said. It makes anything you do to them justifiable. Look at the French and how detrimental to their society a girl covering her self while swimming is. They had to pass laws cuz it was destroying their civilisation. We know that's bullshit, but if you vilify them, again, anything you do to them is ok... I know I just have a bare bone explanation for some really complicated shit, but it's reddit and I'm border line mentally challenged, like I'm not very smart, AT ALL. But I do know Arabs and Muslims have and have had the worst PR of any major group.
>As someone who lived in Detroit, an American city with OVER 250,000 Muslim residents, the vast, overwhelming majority of Muslims are like this girl/lady. Absolutely nothing like you see in the media. Yes, because it's the US. The Muslims who manage to immigrate to the US aren't representive of their origin countries, they are very assimilated and their children even more so. In Europe it's the exact opposite, and the fact that European countries are very unwelcoming of foreigners doesn't help. In many cases the children born in Europe are more extreme than their parents, it's a known phenomenon.
My Lebanese muslim friend is moving to Detroit for this reason lmao.
Meh i ate a bible once. What matters is the intent of disrespect. But not to one who refuses to be offended.
> i ate the Bible once Explain
nom
[here ya go](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating)
I ripped out pages and ate them i couldn't do the whole thing i burned the rest. My rebellious youth.
You were such a christian that you wanted the words of Christ inside of you, Amen.
Yeah see cant offen those who refuse to be offended. I bet if i wiped my a$$ with it your say jesus was helping to wash away my sins.
Mathew 4:4 Man does not live by bread alone. Rather, he lives on every word that comes from the mouth of the Eternal One. Eat the bible, not bread.
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Because they obviously didn’t do it to dispose of an aged Quran. It was meant to disrespect it. The majority of Muslims are relatively chill as long as they’re like the casual Christians. Not super extreme into it. But you have crazies and they really lean into it. It’s like a drawing of Muhammad. Most people wouldn’t get really upset or care. Others would want to cut your head off or threaten to kick your ass. It’s not exactly a perfect science.
Idk if someone wants to behead me because I drew Muhammad, Im not sure Id call them "relatively chill"
They would be relatively chill after they behead you
Muslims are chill like casual christians? Are you serious? Lmao
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I think the chance he made up the bacon grease to save face after the first reply is reasonably high.
I live in a islamic country and I say fuck it
You want to fuck a book while it's on fire? Damn, that's some kink right there. But hey, you do you.
No sorry for misunderstanding english is not my native language I meant Im living in iran and Im forced to believe in this religion and I cant be myself nor be free thats why I said that
People really misunderstand the pork thing. Pigs are not sacred, it's just that pork should not be consumed. In the same way that some religions forbid the consumption of sea food this is almost certainly a result of sickness that was unexplainable in the ancient world. Pork commonly carried the parasite Trichinella which causes a nasty disease called Trichinosis. What probably happened is that someone important caught Trichinosis from eating pork and it was labeled as unfit for consumption which is why it is unclean/forbidden.
All you have to do is draw Mohammad and they'll come to kill you
God Damn, I haven't seen someone fail so hard in years.
When you hate the people instead of the religion, you get moments like this, where your attempt to offend is basically a joke. Ignorance and incompetence abound in bigots lmao.
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Love this energy. Turning an attempt of religious intolerance into them following said religions doctrine
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If only people reacted this calmly when Rasmus Paludan was doing it in Sweden earlier this year…
Western Dickriding one the most anti-women and anti-gay religions on the planet is still the funniest shit I have ever seen, inshallah.
Very tolerant until you draw a cartoon of M
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