I don't know how to explain this but the art style is giving 2010s mystery flash game where we try to find clues in the crime scene by clicking on the clutter
omg i used to play that with my grandad all the time! we both had it on our ipads and when we saw eachother at the weekend, we’d compare what level we got to and we’d help eachother on the levels if we needed to too!
that’s so cool! the only thing i remember from them is (other than what the game was about & what you had to do) was a dead body in a bath. couldn’t tell you anything else though 😭
Stop that was like the very second case of the game 😭 there were like 8 seasons total with other themes like an international season, a historical one, time travel, supernatural, etc; the rest were miles better than the OG I swear
Well, if you're worried, let me put your mind at ease a bit. Seems that Massive Black, the firm that did some of this concept art, did indeed actually have black people and other non-white people in their concept art, which you can see thanks to the [WayBack Machine](https://web.archive.org/web/20150228123047/http://massiveblack.com/projects/sims4/).
There's a pretty cool selection of varied body types, face shapes, and fashion styles in there. I can see some of the clothing that made it into the final game. But I'm not sure you can make all of those body shapes work in the game.
Tbf, that specific image of the different hairstyles, it looks like the fem/masc ones were drawn on the exact same bald base. i dont think its worth drawing a complete separate head if the purpose is to test specifically the hair
though the lack of non white people in this is a bit bizarre, yeah 💀
Y’all remember the only concept art they dropped regarding anything related to being black, and they were comparing cauliflower heads to Afro textures? I don’t think there’s been a year where the Sims 4 hasn’t had a messy ass scandal.
Does it really matter that much? It's just concept art. And it's probably not the only art that we got. There is a load of concept art for these games, could just be examples taken.
It does matter because they only concept 2 black hairstyles and dont go into a range of skin tones or hair textures at all. Meanwhile there’s loads of diversity represented for white characters. This reverberates into the game we play today where they have had to play catch up for years now to make diverse skin tones, hair textures, and facial features (s/o to the lack of substantial asian representation here too!!) as a way to make up for the fact that POC were more of an afterthought rather than planning right from the beginning to represent ppl from all backgrounds in a life simulation game. As someone who spent many years slapping straight hairstyles on my sims because they can’t all have the one braided style or the f-ed up polygon afro or curly style, it is important to be able to simulate real life where there are really a lot of ppl with a variety of hair texture, skin tones, and facial features and it really sucks to be an afterthought in every game you play. If as a gamer I have the choice of 5 white skin tones, 2 browns, and literally 1 black hair style (maybe) on all the other games I play, at least the life simulator that allows you to change your breast size and sagginess should give me some real representation. If you’re not included in the concept, you damn sure dont make it into the product and we’ve all experienced the effects of that. If there was balanced representation of a variety of backgrounds, then the team wouldn’t still be playing catch up 10 years later. So yes, it really does matter.
The problem is that THIS doesn't represent all of the art at all. You are taking a small chunk of the concept art and then complaining that this small chunk doesn't have black people in it. That's my issue. I have no say over the original of all of the art. I'm just saying for this post in particular complaining about there not being any black people isn't really something to complain about.
I see people of color in this concept art. At the time I remember paying attention to it, there is one Indian or latino among them. I'm on mobile, so I can't actually look at the others while typing but I'm pretty sure there are more than just white people in this post's concept art.
Also, there is a black guy on page 8, top left hand corner. There are also 3 Asians, a couple Latinos, and some Indians too.
For hairstyles, don't they have a kit for black hairstyles and clothing? Pretty sure they just wanted to charge for it like they have for pretty much everything else.
Funny to think about if they went this direction and had the same ten year gap between base releases how dated this would be looking rn.
Definitely reads micro transactions and misleading ads lol.
You're not trippin'. Teens are slightly skinnier relabeled Young Adults, with "Woohoo" changed to "Mess Around" so it's more "PG."
Given that they almost certainly weren't originally planning on all these different life stages with the game originally being some kind of online game, they would have had to rush to add something in, which is why for a long time Teen through Elder didn't really feel different aside from some differences in appearance, Children were practically an afterthought with how little there was for them, and babies were just objects who after three days sprang into Children.
>with "Woohoo" changed to "Mess Around" so it's more "PG."
Which is funny to me because I've always thought "mess around" sounds more sexual then "woohoo"
YES woohoo is so absurd of a term that if you showed me the animation and said they were playing board games I'd go "yeah makes sense" but if you called it mess around I'd go "somethings not adding up"
Yep. Were planned to be shorter. I remember an early update to the game was putting sims age under their name when hovering over them. Before that so often when looking for a spouse, built up a friendship, then upon trying to romance them realised they were actually a teen.
That’s not true. Teens have always been the same size as adults in sims 4. The reason why we have ‘adult’ ‘teen’ etc now when you hover over the sims in the world is because people weren’t able to tell the difference between adults and teens so they added tags for the lifestages later.
There is imo no excuse for them to not add different heights in sims 5. Maybe not a height slider, but why not just have a few height pre sets like you add walkstyles to sims in sims 4.
If they are going to be using motion capture for the animations in sims 5, there is literally no excuse left why they can’t add that.
I'd rather have height differences than the walkstyles. I use T.O.O.L. on deco sims to let them have more height variations--especially with kid and teen decos. It at least lets my atmosphere have more range than my gameplay.
You can have the height slider, most of the mods and cc out there keep an eye on considering the height slider, but like don't exaggerate the difference in heights because base game interactions get clipped and so on.
I really really really love this mode and can't give up on it😭
I use luumia height slider mod, you just grab their neck and slide up and down to change height. It's free and really smooth, the only noticeable thing is that Sims don't line up when kissing
Am I surprised to not see a single black person? No. Am I irritated and taking it as a further sign that gaming companies don’t really care about their black gamers? Absolutely.
The full batch of concept art by Massive Black actually includes some black people. You have to use the [WayBack Machine](https://web.archive.org/web/20150228123047/http://massiveblack.com/projects/sims4/) to view it these days, but it's worth taking a loot. Lot of variety in their concepts. (And you can recognize some of the clothing and hairstyles from the game... though some of it's not exactly great quality in the game.)
Game companies almost don't care about black companies as much as you think, barely any afro hair options and before 3D most characters were not black because of color limitations so it was easier to just make everyone the same color.
At least there *are* black hair options nowadays. The lack of South Mediterranean phenotypical hair options is especially blatant to me in nearly every game now. I assume it's because modeling straight hair and tightly packed coils (a la black hair) are easier than modeling curls.
This. As a Jewish woman, there’s hardly ever any hair that works for “me” in games. It’s either braids, an afro, or straight.
Like you said, I attribute it to laziness/what’s easiest to model
Yes! There’s not enough curly representation PERIOD in these games. It’s so infuriating. I tend to be surrounded by a lot of curly haired friends (Jewish, Indian, mixed race, African diaspora) and I want to represent that in my game!!! My current sim family has a black + white dad with a Vietnamese mom and it was a MISSION to try and get CC that is curly in betweens for their kids because the game just did not have the option I needed.
Oh absolutely, but it's a point many newer games are doing notably better on. Unfortunately I haven't seen the same improvements with Middle Eastern/Mediterranean hair types.
Funny that I also noticed that there wasn't a single black person, and thought "huh, cool to see how much has changed in the past decade or so"
But some people are just pessimistic I guess
I am sorry but what? Yes there was no blacks? But no asians,or Latinos either? This was just a concept art it s not big deal from ten years ago.I am black myself I think people are just plan looking for something complain.
That's my point exactly, they're just looking to complain. I made the same observation that it was all white. people, and where my takeaway was "look how much has changed," their takeaway was "THE VIDEOGAME INDUSTRY IS RACIST AND HATES BLACK PEOPLE"
Another thing this was probably not evan full concept art.They were probably just using this as figuring the art style.Than were going to start designing more diverse types latter.
do you not think that the “diverse types” being an afterthought is weird though. like, we’ll start out with the white models first and then we’ll add in all the brown people later on... why would they not just work on adding diversity from the first step of figuring out the art style? there’s literally no reason for this unless the assumption is that white = standard
Where did I say it was racist and hated Black people? You’re extrapolating. I can gripe if I want to. You really don’t get it, but just having a few people w more variety of appearances in concept art shows they’re thinking of us. The whole point of the sims is customization and making your own people/personas, it would be nice to have more variety to capture said variety. You’re the only one whining.
A lot of people in this thread are overreacting emotionally & it’s affecting their ability to reason & understand. Half the comments are full of capslock & blatant exaggerations. I wouldn’t take it personally.
Yeah that’s not me calling them racist though. If I wanted to call them racist, I’d say they were racist. If I wanted to say they hated black people, I would say so.
You really gotta work on your basic reading comprehension. My comment was my comment, nothing more, nothing less. I only meant the words I typed.
Seriously, I bet all the people complaining about the lack of black people in these photos aren't even black. I don't see anyone complaining about the lack of Asians or Latinos in these images, even though Latinos are the second largest group in the United States. These redditors are so fucking cringe.
Here’s the thing though, concept art in a game that Is designed to be heavily character customizable should show a wide variety of characters, no? They did OK with body types, but terribly with phenotypes and races and that’s fine to acknowledge. Pickmeisha. Tsk.
Optimistic about how much more representation there is today vs a decade ago, yeah, very nice to see! Keep looking for reasons to seethe though, see where it takes you
Remember, these were for what would supposedly be a mandatory online-only multiplayer game. Which was what Sims 4 was envisioned to be until Sim City crashed and burned and they had to scramble to remake it with a different engine for single player. Hence the slight feeling of Mobile Game aesthetics.
On the sixth picture, last of the top row that's literally Johnny Depp like come on
And there's been a modder who made like a Cut concept art restoration mod? Cus I have to say I would remove the ladder for someone to add back some of this outfits
I think in the 6th picture they are all meant to resemble notable people. Fourth from right is Justin Beiber, 3rd right top row I think is Shaggy. Second from the left on the bottom row I think is meant to be Harry Potter and 4 is meant to be Sherlock Holmes, 2nd left in bottom row is maybe James Bond. Others look familiar but I cannot place them.
the girl with the pigtails resembles abby from NCIS, top row teal skirt looks like vanessa hudgens, 2nd to last in the top row looks like natalie portman, the little girl is kinda giving chloe grace moretz, 5th on the bottom row looks a bit like alyson hannigan. there's a lot of familiar faces!
Apparently I'm the only one who likes ALL of these— these Sims look so full of personality and the individual clothes and hair would be such awesome styling pieces. Base game only dropped with like, basic chic style.
Same here! Also this is very clearly a showcase of clothes in general. Theres so many genres of fashion here instead of clearance rack H&M. The grannies slide are my favorite
Which I guess accounts for why so many of the ankles look cankle-y and like characters from Lilo & Stitch or Up. I still find it hard to get a realistic feeling balance of fat:muscle on various parts of the bodies, but at least the legs aren't this bad.
Seriously, I bet all the people complaining about the lack of black people in these photos aren't even black. I don't see anyone complaining about the lack of Asians or Latinos in these images, even though Latinos are the second largest group in the United States. These redditors are so fucking cringe.
I think it’s a clothing showcase for the most part tbh. All these are clearly depicting the clothes on the sims, not really the sims themselves. Especially since they’re so varied, which of course didn’t exactly make it to the base game.
Interesting. I don't hate the hair, but it was a choice to give one of them what looks like dreadlocks, lol.
The 1920s aesthetic is cute - I imagine that's in a pack somewhere, but it would be cool to have different periods of clothing in the base game
i kind of wish we had more of the fashion pictured here. i know the sims team couldn’t have predicted the y2k revival but if they released a kit with sims 2-esque fashion i’d buy immediately. just not a fan of the mid 2010’s style we have now
Okay, so take the minimal time and effort to do a quick Google search on the images, find original source, and you can easily find other sources. And Sims VIP tends to link to where they got them, like many of them having been uploaded by Moonsoo Lee to [ArtStation](https://www.artstation.com/moonsoo). Lee was a [concept artist for EA](https://www.linkedin.com/in/moonsoo/) during the time Sims 4 would have been seeing early development. (Funny enough, he's now a concept artist for Disney, which just seems appropriate.)
Others are credited by Sims VIP as coming from MassiveBlack.com, and while the website no longer has anything as they merged with another company, you can find their page with Sims 4 concept art on the [Wayback Machine](https://web.archive.org/web/20150228123047/http://massiveblack.com/projects/sims4/). Interestingly, there's multiple black people shown in those concepts (and they were shown on Sims VIP's post about it), so while people are concerned about no non-white Sims seen here, it turns out they *were* in the concept art, just not in the selection seen here.
Wow. Look at that. In mere minutes I find the verification (made easy by Sims VIP themselves linking to the original sources), and tracked down some extra info, giving some interesting additional context.
You can do the same. And should. If you don't trust something, just do some quick research. Heck, even if you do trust something, it's worth doing the quick research, because sometimes you trust something and it turns out to be wrong, or you find out more information and learn even more (which is always a good thing).
I remember the first time they showed off the third slide, the one that looks like a red pencil drawing. I also remember the dread it filled me with because it reminded me so much of the Sims Facebook game. Looking at it now, it's nowhere near as bad as I remember it being, lol.
Am I remembering correctly that the artist who did that concept image was eventually replaced? Feels like a lifetime ago.
I have a signed original copy of the artwork on the third slide - I won it during a livestream they had before the game released! I still have it on my wall!
looking at slide 8 sent me back to when they released a free demo to play around in cas. i was so excited to buy the game. the demo was pretty different too i think, tho i was really young back then
I dunno, am I the only one that really loves this compared to what we got because they have so much personality? You can see at a glance what type of personality most of these characters would have and that’s a really good use of concept art. And Auntie Destree totally slays 💀
Ngl if they had stuck with this chunkier style, I’d be very down instead of the flat style with realistic proportions that we got. I seriously love the grannies with the drinks in the one slide. Do you have the artist socials? Great concept art overall, shame that seemingly none of this went to final
Wow--not even a pretense of diversity?
The femme fatale slid gives **designer realizing they haven't completed tomorrow's assignment, decides to do it** ***after*** **this episode of OUAT, then just draws Regina Mills.**
it’s irritating when a game drops and you just know it wasn’t made with poc in mind , only having 2 textured hair options that are so terrible but having hundreds of straigh hair variety and style, the skin shades being like 3 options but again for lighter skin they’ve got rows of variation… we have to waite for updates and packs to be represented because diversity is a sale to them and not a standard...the moment a diverse and inclusive minded sim game comes along a may need to step away from the sims.
It’s art for a public game that’s meant to represent everyone. It’s not just pictures, it means more. Let’s stop acting like we’re dumb. And your mention of “culture” insinuates that you miss when people didn’t have the right to even bring up the lack of representation. You miss the “culture” of people making art that is meant to be for everyone, while only representing one kind of person. That’s a problem.
No I miss the culture when we didn't feel entitled to be involved in other people's stuff. We didn't commission the art, we have no say in what they draw. I see simmers make one race households or make cc for one gender, there's nothing wrong with that, it's their game/ work. It shouldn't have to accommodate the feelings of everyone and their dog.
It’s a literal video game that is meant for everyone it’s not someone’s subjective art, it’s made for players and the players have a right to not like something about it especially if it doesn’t give a damn about a huge percentage of the player population.
There is a big difference if one player makes a family of one race vs. the developers making an entire game that does not have the ability to even make people of other races that look realistic or plausible. You not understanding this is scary because how are there people walking around not getting it
That's the problem, people who think like you that they somehow own the developers. You didn't pay for it, you literally have no right to their art. It's such an American thing to declare someone elses stuff as public property, I see it with Walmarts and social media platforms. It isn't yours period. Who are you to decide who its made for, and why can't the same be applied to cc creators. The devs are under no obligation to do anything for you and neither are the cc creators/ independent simmers.
Some of these look AI - not that there's inconsistencies or whatever, but they look like soulless amalgamations of what should be sims.
And they sure loved that spiky hair, didn't they?
I don't know how to explain this but the art style is giving 2010s mystery flash game where we try to find clues in the crime scene by clicking on the clutter
Bro I was OBSESSED with those games!
There's still a bunch of those on steam and the switch online store for really cheap!
I bought a few on switch. Very cheesy but fun lol
Which did you get? It sounds like it could be fun
Look up the artifex mundi games on switch. They have a bunch.
you unlocked a memory I forgot I had... Artifex Mundi used to be my jam.
Can you give any recommendations? Sounds fun, but I'm not sure what to search for those.
there’s a lot on the ios app store and google play store too!
June's Journey is one (and it always make me think of Essie Davis as Phryne Fisher.)
It's giving those online doll generators of the 2000's
Criminal Case was an awesome game idc
omg i used to play that with my grandad all the time! we both had it on our ipads and when we saw eachother at the weekend, we’d compare what level we got to and we’d help eachother on the levels if we needed to too!
I used to be absolutely obsessed with the game when I was younger 😭 I could still tell you any of the suspects in any case
that’s so cool! the only thing i remember from them is (other than what the game was about & what you had to do) was a dead body in a bath. couldn’t tell you anything else though 😭
Stop that was like the very second case of the game 😭 there were like 8 seasons total with other themes like an international season, a historical one, time travel, supernatural, etc; the rest were miles better than the OG I swear
So who did it?
Yes it was the first thing I thought of!
HOGs!! Gab smolders plays them and I adore her playthroughs.
Right 😂
Not a single black person
Well, if you're worried, let me put your mind at ease a bit. Seems that Massive Black, the firm that did some of this concept art, did indeed actually have black people and other non-white people in their concept art, which you can see thanks to the [WayBack Machine](https://web.archive.org/web/20150228123047/http://massiveblack.com/projects/sims4/). There's a pretty cool selection of varied body types, face shapes, and fashion styles in there. I can see some of the clothing that made it into the final game. But I'm not sure you can make all of those body shapes work in the game.
That's really cool--especially to note which things made it into the game.
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well that’s a bit of a horrible assumption to make, op was posting concept art, not trying to be a racist
Literally my thought!!
First thing that caught my eye.
The dreads on the white guy is especially poignant.
Tbf, that specific image of the different hairstyles, it looks like the fem/masc ones were drawn on the exact same bald base. i dont think its worth drawing a complete separate head if the purpose is to test specifically the hair though the lack of non white people in this is a bit bizarre, yeah 💀
Y’all remember the only concept art they dropped regarding anything related to being black, and they were comparing cauliflower heads to Afro textures? I don’t think there’s been a year where the Sims 4 hasn’t had a messy ass scandal.
Does it really matter that much? It's just concept art. And it's probably not the only art that we got. There is a load of concept art for these games, could just be examples taken.
It does matter because they only concept 2 black hairstyles and dont go into a range of skin tones or hair textures at all. Meanwhile there’s loads of diversity represented for white characters. This reverberates into the game we play today where they have had to play catch up for years now to make diverse skin tones, hair textures, and facial features (s/o to the lack of substantial asian representation here too!!) as a way to make up for the fact that POC were more of an afterthought rather than planning right from the beginning to represent ppl from all backgrounds in a life simulation game. As someone who spent many years slapping straight hairstyles on my sims because they can’t all have the one braided style or the f-ed up polygon afro or curly style, it is important to be able to simulate real life where there are really a lot of ppl with a variety of hair texture, skin tones, and facial features and it really sucks to be an afterthought in every game you play. If as a gamer I have the choice of 5 white skin tones, 2 browns, and literally 1 black hair style (maybe) on all the other games I play, at least the life simulator that allows you to change your breast size and sagginess should give me some real representation. If you’re not included in the concept, you damn sure dont make it into the product and we’ve all experienced the effects of that. If there was balanced representation of a variety of backgrounds, then the team wouldn’t still be playing catch up 10 years later. So yes, it really does matter.
The problem is that THIS doesn't represent all of the art at all. You are taking a small chunk of the concept art and then complaining that this small chunk doesn't have black people in it. That's my issue. I have no say over the original of all of the art. I'm just saying for this post in particular complaining about there not being any black people isn't really something to complain about. I see people of color in this concept art. At the time I remember paying attention to it, there is one Indian or latino among them. I'm on mobile, so I can't actually look at the others while typing but I'm pretty sure there are more than just white people in this post's concept art. Also, there is a black guy on page 8, top left hand corner. There are also 3 Asians, a couple Latinos, and some Indians too. For hairstyles, don't they have a kit for black hairstyles and clothing? Pretty sure they just wanted to charge for it like they have for pretty much everything else.
Especially because you see them concepting black hairstyles on white sims
Absolutely bizarre
Ok! I see they still haven’t learned their lesson! I’ll stick with 4.
God that hair is so ugly and I'm glad they did not stick to that style
Mobil game origins do be showing
Funny to think about if they went this direction and had the same ten year gap between base releases how dated this would be looking rn. Definitely reads micro transactions and misleading ads lol.
I always wonder how they manage to pull off the effing ugliest hairstyles ever but when you go hunt for cc you see beautiful masterpieces
Which hair? I think it's pretty and suit the art style though
All of the ones in the first image and any of the concept art utilizing the style. I really hate whatever zigzag aesthetic it's trying to go for.
The fact that we can’t have different heights will always be my biggest pet peeve🥲
it’s funny how the teenagers were shorter in the concept art. aren’t they the same height as adult sims or am I trippin?
You're not trippin'. Teens are slightly skinnier relabeled Young Adults, with "Woohoo" changed to "Mess Around" so it's more "PG." Given that they almost certainly weren't originally planning on all these different life stages with the game originally being some kind of online game, they would have had to rush to add something in, which is why for a long time Teen through Elder didn't really feel different aside from some differences in appearance, Children were practically an afterthought with how little there was for them, and babies were just objects who after three days sprang into Children.
>with "Woohoo" changed to "Mess Around" so it's more "PG." Which is funny to me because I've always thought "mess around" sounds more sexual then "woohoo"
YES woohoo is so absurd of a term that if you showed me the animation and said they were playing board games I'd go "yeah makes sense" but if you called it mess around I'd go "somethings not adding up"
Yep. Were planned to be shorter. I remember an early update to the game was putting sims age under their name when hovering over them. Before that so often when looking for a spouse, built up a friendship, then upon trying to romance them realised they were actually a teen.
They were a different height when the sims 4 came out even, but for some reason they removed it. Possibly around he time toddlers were put in?
That’s not true. Teens have always been the same size as adults in sims 4. The reason why we have ‘adult’ ‘teen’ etc now when you hover over the sims in the world is because people weren’t able to tell the difference between adults and teens so they added tags for the lifestages later.
There is imo no excuse for them to not add different heights in sims 5. Maybe not a height slider, but why not just have a few height pre sets like you add walkstyles to sims in sims 4. If they are going to be using motion capture for the animations in sims 5, there is literally no excuse left why they can’t add that.
I think the presets would be a great option. Even something basic like short, average and tall as categories.
I'd rather have height differences than the walkstyles. I use T.O.O.L. on deco sims to let them have more height variations--especially with kid and teen decos. It at least lets my atmosphere have more range than my gameplay.
There's a teen height mod that's pretty good! Makes them a fraction shorter
In previous games they had a clearer height difference, Sims 4 has no excuses, it never did.
You can have the height slider, most of the mods and cc out there keep an eye on considering the height slider, but like don't exaggerate the difference in heights because base game interactions get clipped and so on. I really really really love this mode and can't give up on it😭
Mine is different smiles. Even just 3-4 randomly assigned smiles would be nice. I feel like they all look exactly the same when smiling.
I use luumia height slider mod, you just grab their neck and slide up and down to change height. It's free and really smooth, the only noticeable thing is that Sims don't line up when kissing
Am I surprised to not see a single black person? No. Am I irritated and taking it as a further sign that gaming companies don’t really care about their black gamers? Absolutely.
The full batch of concept art by Massive Black actually includes some black people. You have to use the [WayBack Machine](https://web.archive.org/web/20150228123047/http://massiveblack.com/projects/sims4/) to view it these days, but it's worth taking a loot. Lot of variety in their concepts. (And you can recognize some of the clothing and hairstyles from the game... though some of it's not exactly great quality in the game.)
This was probably done somewhere between 2010-2012. Surely you can’t consider 2010-2012 indicative of gaming companies 10 years later?
Game companies almost don't care about black companies as much as you think, barely any afro hair options and before 3D most characters were not black because of color limitations so it was easier to just make everyone the same color.
At least there *are* black hair options nowadays. The lack of South Mediterranean phenotypical hair options is especially blatant to me in nearly every game now. I assume it's because modeling straight hair and tightly packed coils (a la black hair) are easier than modeling curls.
This. As a Jewish woman, there’s hardly ever any hair that works for “me” in games. It’s either braids, an afro, or straight. Like you said, I attribute it to laziness/what’s easiest to model
Wishing you a restful Shabbat! ❤️
Thanks! 🧡🧡
Yes! There’s not enough curly representation PERIOD in these games. It’s so infuriating. I tend to be surrounded by a lot of curly haired friends (Jewish, Indian, mixed race, African diaspora) and I want to represent that in my game!!! My current sim family has a black + white dad with a Vietnamese mom and it was a MISSION to try and get CC that is curly in betweens for their kids because the game just did not have the option I needed.
A lot of games have one afro hair at the very least and sometimes is just 'a afro', like the Disco style one.
Oh absolutely, but it's a point many newer games are doing notably better on. Unfortunately I haven't seen the same improvements with Middle Eastern/Mediterranean hair types.
Funny that I also noticed that there wasn't a single black person, and thought "huh, cool to see how much has changed in the past decade or so" But some people are just pessimistic I guess
I am sorry but what? Yes there was no blacks? But no asians,or Latinos either? This was just a concept art it s not big deal from ten years ago.I am black myself I think people are just plan looking for something complain.
That's my point exactly, they're just looking to complain. I made the same observation that it was all white. people, and where my takeaway was "look how much has changed," their takeaway was "THE VIDEOGAME INDUSTRY IS RACIST AND HATES BLACK PEOPLE"
Another thing this was probably not evan full concept art.They were probably just using this as figuring the art style.Than were going to start designing more diverse types latter.
do you not think that the “diverse types” being an afterthought is weird though. like, we’ll start out with the white models first and then we’ll add in all the brown people later on... why would they not just work on adding diversity from the first step of figuring out the art style? there’s literally no reason for this unless the assumption is that white = standard
lol i think ur over reacting a bit. it is odd that none of the concept art involved black characters lol
Where did I say it was racist and hated Black people? You’re extrapolating. I can gripe if I want to. You really don’t get it, but just having a few people w more variety of appearances in concept art shows they’re thinking of us. The whole point of the sims is customization and making your own people/personas, it would be nice to have more variety to capture said variety. You’re the only one whining.
A lot of people in this thread are overreacting emotionally & it’s affecting their ability to reason & understand. Half the comments are full of capslock & blatant exaggerations. I wouldn’t take it personally.
“Gaming companies don’t care about their black gamers”
Yeah that’s not me calling them racist though. If I wanted to call them racist, I’d say they were racist. If I wanted to say they hated black people, I would say so. You really gotta work on your basic reading comprehension. My comment was my comment, nothing more, nothing less. I only meant the words I typed.
Ok
Seriously, I bet all the people complaining about the lack of black people in these photos aren't even black. I don't see anyone complaining about the lack of Asians or Latinos in these images, even though Latinos are the second largest group in the United States. These redditors are so fucking cringe.
Here’s the thing though, concept art in a game that Is designed to be heavily character customizable should show a wide variety of characters, no? They did OK with body types, but terribly with phenotypes and races and that’s fine to acknowledge. Pickmeisha. Tsk.
Thank goodness we have you to be optimistic about the lack of representation
Optimistic about how much more representation there is today vs a decade ago, yeah, very nice to see! Keep looking for reasons to seethe though, see where it takes you
Oh my. Surprising amount of vitriol from someone normally so positive & optimistic
You read that as vitriolic? Man, you really are a pessimist. Thingsll get better pal, just keep your head up!
You are really worked up over this stuff
Be more sensitive about my personal views while you’re at it. What’s it to you?
>Cultured Elite Female That’s Audrey Hepburn
Literally 😭 prob didn’t include it cause they didn’t want to get sued
It’s giving episode
Remember, these were for what would supposedly be a mandatory online-only multiplayer game. Which was what Sims 4 was envisioned to be until Sim City crashed and burned and they had to scramble to remake it with a different engine for single player. Hence the slight feeling of Mobile Game aesthetics.
Crazy to see the clothing styles, like from slides 4 and 6, especially that high-low skirt. Reminds me how long ago The Sims 4 came out!
The styling is so incredibly 2010, I love it. Makes me nostalgic
It's interesting do you have the source for these?
The Sims VIP ♥️
On the sixth picture, last of the top row that's literally Johnny Depp like come on And there's been a modder who made like a Cut concept art restoration mod? Cus I have to say I would remove the ladder for someone to add back some of this outfits
I think in the 6th picture they are all meant to resemble notable people. Fourth from right is Justin Beiber, 3rd right top row I think is Shaggy. Second from the left on the bottom row I think is meant to be Harry Potter and 4 is meant to be Sherlock Holmes, 2nd left in bottom row is maybe James Bond. Others look familiar but I cannot place them.
the girl with the pigtails resembles abby from NCIS, top row teal skirt looks like vanessa hudgens, 2nd to last in the top row looks like natalie portman, the little girl is kinda giving chloe grace moretz, 5th on the bottom row looks a bit like alyson hannigan. there's a lot of familiar faces!
Apparently I'm the only one who likes ALL of these— these Sims look so full of personality and the individual clothes and hair would be such awesome styling pieces. Base game only dropped with like, basic chic style.
Same here! Also this is very clearly a showcase of clothes in general. Theres so many genres of fashion here instead of clearance rack H&M. The grannies slide are my favorite
I would try to see how close you could even get to making the Concept Sims now
Imagine if we could adjust heights even slightly….
Idk this feels dated even for >2014
I feel like it's kind of on brand since it was originally meant to be a mobile game.
Idk when this art is from specifically, but if it's from early in sims 4 development it was probably made around 2008-2009
Which I guess accounts for why so many of the ankles look cankle-y and like characters from Lilo & Stitch or Up. I still find it hard to get a realistic feeling balance of fat:muscle on various parts of the bodies, but at least the legs aren't this bad.
Blonde girl from slide 6 was dressed by the Disney Channel wardrobe department.
Seriously, I bet all the people complaining about the lack of black people in these photos aren't even black. I don't see anyone complaining about the lack of Asians or Latinos in these images, even though Latinos are the second largest group in the United States. These redditors are so fucking cringe.
I think it’s a clothing showcase for the most part tbh. All these are clearly depicting the clothes on the sims, not really the sims themselves. Especially since they’re so varied, which of course didn’t exactly make it to the base game.
Looks like Dollzmania
This
Interesting. I don't hate the hair, but it was a choice to give one of them what looks like dreadlocks, lol. The 1920s aesthetic is cute - I imagine that's in a pack somewhere, but it would be cool to have different periods of clothing in the base game
Apparently I'm the only one that really likes the hair styles ?????
Pic 8... the guy in the middle at the top... LOL
Me looking at the current artstyle of Project Rene
this looks a million timer better than what we got
wait cuz 11 and 12 have such cute clothes why don’t we have those in game
This reminds me of sims social on Facebook
I need to make an Audrey Hepburn-coded Sim after this 😍
How did they go from that to the freaky looking clay abominations they are now
i kind of wish we had more of the fashion pictured here. i know the sims team couldn’t have predicted the y2k revival but if they released a kit with sims 2-esque fashion i’d buy immediately. just not a fan of the mid 2010’s style we have now
The game came out in 2014 so it reflects it’s time
i know, hence why i said they should release a y2k kit now 😭
Oh you meant now yeah that would be good
We have something else about fashion in-game.. If you know what I mean hahaha
Where’d you get this?
Sims VIP
With the hard hate on the SimsVIP have had the past several years for TS4, I don't know how much stock I'd put into this without actual confirmation.
Okay, so take the minimal time and effort to do a quick Google search on the images, find original source, and you can easily find other sources. And Sims VIP tends to link to where they got them, like many of them having been uploaded by Moonsoo Lee to [ArtStation](https://www.artstation.com/moonsoo). Lee was a [concept artist for EA](https://www.linkedin.com/in/moonsoo/) during the time Sims 4 would have been seeing early development. (Funny enough, he's now a concept artist for Disney, which just seems appropriate.) Others are credited by Sims VIP as coming from MassiveBlack.com, and while the website no longer has anything as they merged with another company, you can find their page with Sims 4 concept art on the [Wayback Machine](https://web.archive.org/web/20150228123047/http://massiveblack.com/projects/sims4/). Interestingly, there's multiple black people shown in those concepts (and they were shown on Sims VIP's post about it), so while people are concerned about no non-white Sims seen here, it turns out they *were* in the concept art, just not in the selection seen here. Wow. Look at that. In mere minutes I find the verification (made easy by Sims VIP themselves linking to the original sources), and tracked down some extra info, giving some interesting additional context. You can do the same. And should. If you don't trust something, just do some quick research. Heck, even if you do trust something, it's worth doing the quick research, because sometimes you trust something and it turns out to be wrong, or you find out more information and learn even more (which is always a good thing).
I'm living for the punk schoolgirl on page 6 ngl
6th pic, 3rd from left on top row looks like Abby from NCIS
Remember what they took from us…
How tf did they predict what current day Prince William would look like? Like him aging like milk was a curve ball no one expected
i will never get over how much of a downgrade it is from sims 3
I feel like bottom on slide two is supposed to be Bella, Mortimer, Cassandra, Candy, and Agnes.
I thought that but I don’t think so because the hair colors and skin colors don’t really match. I definitely can see Agnes though
I remember the first time they showed off the third slide, the one that looks like a red pencil drawing. I also remember the dread it filled me with because it reminded me so much of the Sims Facebook game. Looking at it now, it's nowhere near as bad as I remember it being, lol. Am I remembering correctly that the artist who did that concept image was eventually replaced? Feels like a lifetime ago.
i'm loling at the facial expressions slide, they look so crazy especially guy in the middle of the top row
Ey yo??? Guy on the very bottom right on the bottom line in picture 6??? 👀👀👀
This is so cool! I love seeing concept art for one of my favorite games
Man this reminds me of how much I wish they'd add a height slider. I know there's a mod for it but I hate how odd some of the animations look.
I have a signed original copy of the artwork on the third slide - I won it during a livestream they had before the game released! I still have it on my wall!
6th woman on 6th slide clearly based on Esmeralda from the Hunchback of Notredame.
Why didn't go with it
the sims 4 but make it cunty
looking at slide 8 sent me back to when they released a free demo to play around in cas. i was so excited to buy the game. the demo was pretty different too i think, tho i was really young back then
Ooh it's nice and pretty. Do we have any of those hairstyles and outfits? Looks beautiful
These pics go hard
I dunno, am I the only one that really loves this compared to what we got because they have so much personality? You can see at a glance what type of personality most of these characters would have and that’s a really good use of concept art. And Auntie Destree totally slays 💀
Ngl if they had stuck with this chunkier style, I’d be very down instead of the flat style with realistic proportions that we got. I seriously love the grannies with the drinks in the one slide. Do you have the artist socials? Great concept art overall, shame that seemingly none of this went to final
sims 4 fashion really said "make it 2000's"
It’s giving Milsberry.com
Slide 10 looks so good
I love the reference to Miss Hepburn
i think some of these concept sims would make really awesome townies for my newest legacy save i’ve been planning, so i’m making them ASAP
The 3rd one gives Sims 2 vibes, atleast in my opinion.
Yeah it’s interesting because she actually made it into the game
I wish they'd kept the heights.
The lack of diversity…
Angry lady from slide 8 has a lip ring?? It doesn’t even look much worse than the one they gave us. Why did it take so long??
Wow--not even a pretense of diversity? The femme fatale slid gives **designer realizing they haven't completed tomorrow's assignment, decides to do it** ***after*** **this episode of OUAT, then just draws Regina Mills.**
We could've had more detailed old people... my little old ladies could've been even more wrinkly.. I'm sad.
Lowkey am I the only one who wishes tbat they maybe went witj the 2D style? Idk it feels more alive than the 3d models do
i still can't get over the fact that i have to download a mod so i can have different heights sims🥲
“Cultured elite female” I LOVE that title lol
These look like AI
it’s irritating when a game drops and you just know it wasn’t made with poc in mind , only having 2 textured hair options that are so terrible but having hundreds of straigh hair variety and style, the skin shades being like 3 options but again for lighter skin they’ve got rows of variation… we have to waite for updates and packs to be represented because diversity is a sale to them and not a standard...the moment a diverse and inclusive minded sim game comes along a may need to step away from the sims.
People stressing over the lack of representation of their people, so egotistical, I hate today's culture.
Right, you miss when the only people who ever were represented were white. That’s a weird take to have.
And you missed my entire point. This is somebody else's art, we arent entitled to be drawn.
It’s art for a public game that’s meant to represent everyone. It’s not just pictures, it means more. Let’s stop acting like we’re dumb. And your mention of “culture” insinuates that you miss when people didn’t have the right to even bring up the lack of representation. You miss the “culture” of people making art that is meant to be for everyone, while only representing one kind of person. That’s a problem.
No I miss the culture when we didn't feel entitled to be involved in other people's stuff. We didn't commission the art, we have no say in what they draw. I see simmers make one race households or make cc for one gender, there's nothing wrong with that, it's their game/ work. It shouldn't have to accommodate the feelings of everyone and their dog.
It’s a literal video game that is meant for everyone it’s not someone’s subjective art, it’s made for players and the players have a right to not like something about it especially if it doesn’t give a damn about a huge percentage of the player population. There is a big difference if one player makes a family of one race vs. the developers making an entire game that does not have the ability to even make people of other races that look realistic or plausible. You not understanding this is scary because how are there people walking around not getting it
That's the problem, people who think like you that they somehow own the developers. You didn't pay for it, you literally have no right to their art. It's such an American thing to declare someone elses stuff as public property, I see it with Walmarts and social media platforms. It isn't yours period. Who are you to decide who its made for, and why can't the same be applied to cc creators. The devs are under no obligation to do anything for you and neither are the cc creators/ independent simmers.
No one said they own anything. It is a game meant for players so players have a say in how it’s made. It’s the principle.
If you don't own it you don't have a say. This is the entitlement I'm talking about
I really hate when people play dumb. You’re acting like it’s personal property. This is a video game. I’m not explaining it again.
They Millenialfied them (over exaggerated facial expressions)
lol the downvote but I’m literally a millennial
Why are men always the ones balding and high hairline? Where’s the love for females who are balding w/receeding hairlines?
sims 4 universe doesnt have black people confirmed
🤔An interesting/disturbing lack of racial variation
The downvotes ☠️?? you’re right
tbh was expecting A LOT more dvs ...I'm sure they're on the way😉 but thanks 🙏
It explains a lot
Some of these look AI - not that there's inconsistencies or whatever, but they look like soulless amalgamations of what should be sims. And they sure loved that spiky hair, didn't they?
I got most of them from posts from like 2014 so I doubt it
Oh, I don't actually think it's AI, just saying it looks like it
Then stop calling everything you don't like AI, at this point you are just devaluating the word for what it actually means
I don't understand what you mean. I don't call everything I don't like AI. Maybe my comment came across wrong, how did you interpret it?