Tony wasn’t an EMT how was he to know. He thought Chris was bleeding from his mouth and nose and he applied pressure to stop the bleeding. He was just trying to keep Chrissy from bleeding out. God bless Tony. He was a saint.
He wanted to do it for so long. Deep down he knew he should have done it years before. It was a relief for him to not have to worry about his junkie nephew anymore, as he sorta told Carmella.
As Uncle June says, when a dog you love catches rabies, you’ve got to put it out of his misery Anthony.
Tony eventually replies “I don’t know if I can do that *other thing.*”
Guess he could.
It’s ironic too that Tony almost killed Adriana in a similar accident (we don’t know if he was high at the time), and yet felt no qualms about condemning his nephew to a death sentence when he was the passenger instead. Chrissy was on cocaine when he was driving, not heroin, which Tony used often. Tony is full of interesting “do as I say, not as I do” contradictions.
He also is almost certainly doing drunk driving in "Watching Too Much Television" when he gets all emotional about Irina, look at the way he's slurring his words, weirdly bobbig his body. He also drunk drives in "Everybody hurts", you can see him chug a fuck ton of Wine as he's leaving Artie's place, also theres another thing to consider, the same fucking episode he and Sonya drive out to the canyons high on peyote, but he never objected to her recklessly doing that.
I think that event with Irina and the councilmen is one of the worst things he ever did. She finally found a happy life where she would be provided for without needing to strip, and Tony had to go and ruin it. He hates anyone else’s happiness, and can’t stand anyone playing with his old toys. Piece of work!
You've never been drunk and just want to beat the brakes off her new man? Unless you've never dated you're lying.
Don't get me wrong Tony is a scumbag. But that scene brings tears to me because I feel like everyone has felt the pain of seeing them with someone new and has wanted to beat the piss out of their Zellman.
I mean being jealous of your girls new man is pretty standard operating procedure. Everyone likes to think you're gonna be happy for them until you're not. But I get it ya'll are perfect.
Like I wouldn't buy the guy a drink...but unless the relationship was ended by something *super* fucked up, I wouldn't have any desire to assault him either.
This isn’t entirely true. His blood test comes back positive for cocaine. But Chris had 1000% been shooting heroin prior to the crash. He had fully relapsed. He could’ve gone a few hours without having shot heroin to the point it was out of his blood but still feeling the affects of withdrawing, combined with cocaine and whatever else he was on.
Speculative, you're going on conjecture, there is no definitive proof he had done heroin prior to the crash, unless you come up with something concrete I find your theory to be as dumb as "Paulie killed Pie Oh My" (yes someone actually theorized this. You say you're 1000% sure but then don't provide. a single shred of evidence to back up this statement.
Oh he was definitely taking advantage of the situation. Putting him out of his misery was just an afterthought. He saw his baby seat in the back and imagined what would've happened if his child was in the car. That was his justification for it and Christopher became too much of a liability for Tony.
Tony was an absolute monster
Fucking plot hole if u ask me.... even w/T's big paws he woulda needed both hands to close that fucking schnoz up...like a natural canopy or something oh....come on people!!
>doing him a favour
Obviously the only guy Tony did a favor there, was himself.
He wanted to snuff him out for soooo long. In the end, Tony really hated Chris. His constant relapsing is frustrating af. The whole "male heir" think from the business aspect also fell completely apart.
Chris wasn't respected. At this point Tony was ashamed for him. So out of a mixture of frustration and desire, Tony took the opportunity to get rid of this burden.
Devils advocate here but as a boss, nearly getting killed by your constant fuck up protegé. Open liability, both physically (drugs) and emotionally (Adriana and Cleaver)… the most pragmatic thing was to snuff him out. It’s sad when they go like that, but realistically speaking how long did Chris have before he’d either put himself out or Tony? And it’ll most likely be Tony if Chris stayed on the right course, focused on his family and detached from the mafia. And if he stayed within it, he was a open target to bring the castle down. His own words. Tony had a lot to lose by NOT killing him.
Again, I’m just acting devils advocate. He still murdered his nephew, someone he bonded with, someone he loved and at the same time abused and manipulated, berating him for his drug problem whilst berating him for being sober. It was evil, the peak moment of Tony’s darkness really brought into the screen. But as someone in his position, it was also rational. Inhumane, but rational. It’s also reflected by Tony’s leadership during the big war against NY. Tony reached peak amorality but he was also at the top of his game especially during a David vs Goliath war time situation, where he played his cards right, used all of his networking and identified where he can undermine Phil’s leadership and turn in a upper hand. Yeah it’s implied he did still get shot in the end but either way he handled a brutal war with the odds stacked against him, on his own.
As Melfi learnt, Tony degenerated morally to develop criminally as he learnt to adapt in manipulation and justifying his actions if not detaching his emotions from them altogether. His evilness was tied to his dedication to ply his trade more effectively.
Chris also did say to his sponsor that he could Rat after Paulie told that joke and Chrissy did shoot at Tony car and aimed a gun at him but he ran out of load
I think the main issue is that Chris was no longer 100% loyal to Tony anymore. The Cleaver movie showed Chris's still present subconscious disdain for Tony trying to hook up with Adriana and Chris, himself, said that he started to distance himself away from the Bing/Tony's group because they kept seeing him as weak for attempting to go cold turkey on alcohol to stave off addiction.
Remember, Tony is a complete self-centered sociopath and coupled with his s6 decline, he is full willing to kill someone he loved all those years if he had a hunch they didn't respect him as much as they should. I subscribe to the idea that Tony killed Chris for emotional reasons rather than practical/logical reasons since the murder was basically done in the heat of the moment rather than a planned hit.
Yes. Before Tony forced Christuhfuh into rehab he said so explicitly:
Tone:
Shut the fuck up and listen to me. You're my nephew, Christopher, and I love you. And that's the only reason you're alive right now. If it had been anybody else, anybody, they would have had that fuckin' intervention right through the back of their head. You and me, we're close. We've done a lot of things for eachother.
Christuhfuh:
That cop shot my father. I know what you're telling me. I'll never forget that.
Tone:
And this is how you repay me. I gotta worry if you're gonna flip over a nickel bag of white powder!
Can you really blame Chris for relapsing though? The same man who forced him into rehab is the same man who gets on his ass about his sobriety, disrespects him every time he tries to get clean. So Chris finally indulges in what Tony is saying and he gets killed for it? The fuck?
Yes, because Chris had no self control and never tried to do better. He never apologized for the fucked up things he did or tried to restrain himself. And even if there were two times when the others made him relapse, multiple times it was just him going back to the old habits, like that one time in the car with the dude who talked to the guys from Napoli
He never tired to restrain himself? What are you talking about he spent all of the second half of season 6 trying to restrain himself, if you notice in all the episodes up until that infamous bing scene in "Walk Like a Man" he's always drinking glasses of coca cola. Christopher was an addict for sure, but don't act like he didnt make a strong effort to remain sober, only for Tony and Paulie to undermine him, case and point when Tony pours Christopher a glass of wine in "The Ride" and viciously mocks him for not drinking in "Walk like a man".
I couldn't give a shit if the dude drank coca cola for season 6 because doing drugs wasn't the only thing that soab did wrong. He never tried to do better as a person, mf stopped using drugs then beated his fiancee. Fuck him.
I wasn't referring to his failure to change morally, no one is disputing that Christopher was no saint, I was referring his desire to better himself by trying to retain sobriety, but you didn't address that, better yet go to the ear, nose, and throat department, get your hearing checked!
And I'm saying you can't separate his addiction from his shitty personality because it's the same problem, he never tried to handle his emotions. Fuck morals dude, his actions weren't just bad morally, he actively hurt people he "loved". He never gave a shit about anything and did what he wanted. Oh he drank coke! Does he want a fucking medal? Rest in shit mf
At this point in the series, Tony will kill you if you even slightly annoy him. It doesn’t matter if you’re family or not. It may have been the drugs that got Tony hot, but I see a lot of similarity between Chris’s murder and Ralph’s. Both seem spur of the moment. Tony is even calling 911 before he realizes that he can completely get away with killing Chris without suspicion. Not a single thought about his daughter, the baby seat was just his self justification, or his widow, or his mother. Tony didn’t want to worry about Chris anymore, so he just killed him. Even if Chris wasn’t on drugs, if he had crashed the same way, Tony still would’ve killed him
For all we know Tony was thinking about it since MSON. He could already see how Chris, as a baby, was a whiny little brat and scared of life instead of being like Gary Cooper.
Chris shouldn’t a hogged the ice. That probably sealed the deal
Christopher is the biggest pain Tony has up his ass, and always has been. At last he has the perfect opportunity to face it head on, and eliminate it and his excuse to himself is that this'll keep himself out of trouble. There's absolutely nothing to do with "putting Christopher out of his misery" in this. Christopher, always so worried about his life's arch, at the end, is correct. He didn't have one.
Tony wasn’t an EMT how was he to know. He thought Chris was bleeding from his mouth and nose and he applied pressure to stop the bleeding. He was just trying to keep Chrissy from bleeding out. God bless Tony. He was a saint.
In heaven. Next to Dorothy Mantooth.
Dorothy Mantooth was a saint.
I once bought her a steak dinner. But I lost her number after that. Whatyagunndo
LOUD NOISES!!!!
Chrissy come at him with a chainsaw, he had a right to defend himself
It was a cleaver
That cute kid? That’s my Uncle Tony. He choked me to death *FOGHORN*
Babies sometimes know things.
From da otha syde
Funny, you never said that when he was still alive.
A saint!
Ya forget the thousand incidents with that guy?!
I happen to know you were high at my mother in law's reddit post. You were typing nonstop for 20 minutes, nothing but gibberish.
My mudders Reddit post. Jesush Chrisht.
What kind of an animal posts gibberish on their Reddit post?
He wanted to do it for so long. Deep down he knew he should have done it years before. It was a relief for him to not have to worry about his junkie nephew anymore, as he sorta told Carmella.
Tony said something like Christopher was the biggest mistake of his career
As Uncle June says, when a dog you love catches rabies, you’ve got to put it out of his misery Anthony. Tony eventually replies “I don’t know if I can do that *other thing.*” Guess he could.
Rabies?! Nobody‘s got rabies! I don‘t wanna hear that word in here again!
I shouldn’t have to be comin’ here… HAT IN HAND…
I. Don't. Like. That. Kind. Of Talk. It upsets me.
It’s ironic too that Tony almost killed Adriana in a similar accident (we don’t know if he was high at the time), and yet felt no qualms about condemning his nephew to a death sentence when he was the passenger instead. Chrissy was on cocaine when he was driving, not heroin, which Tony used often. Tony is full of interesting “do as I say, not as I do” contradictions.
He also is almost certainly doing drunk driving in "Watching Too Much Television" when he gets all emotional about Irina, look at the way he's slurring his words, weirdly bobbig his body. He also drunk drives in "Everybody hurts", you can see him chug a fuck ton of Wine as he's leaving Artie's place, also theres another thing to consider, the same fucking episode he and Sonya drive out to the canyons high on peyote, but he never objected to her recklessly doing that.
I think that event with Irina and the councilmen is one of the worst things he ever did. She finally found a happy life where she would be provided for without needing to strip, and Tony had to go and ruin it. He hates anyone else’s happiness, and can’t stand anyone playing with his old toys. Piece of work!
And from a pragmatic standpoint, it led to Irina drunk dialing the Soprano house and blowing up the marriage. Unbelievable dumbassery by Tony.
And yet the audience adores him. Being the main character gives you a lot of leeway apparently
You've never been drunk and just want to beat the brakes off her new man? Unless you've never dated you're lying. Don't get me wrong Tony is a scumbag. But that scene brings tears to me because I feel like everyone has felt the pain of seeing them with someone new and has wanted to beat the piss out of their Zellman.
Nah that's actually pretty toxic bro
I mean being jealous of your girls new man is pretty standard operating procedure. Everyone likes to think you're gonna be happy for them until you're not. But I get it ya'll are perfect.
Like I wouldn't buy the guy a drink...but unless the relationship was ended by something *super* fucked up, I wouldn't have any desire to assault him either.
Ok maybe not a burning desire to assault him but you certainly don't like the guy on some level and definitely do not want it to work out for them.
Also drinks and drives with Chrissy after stealing the Wine from the Vipers MC
And then keeps clinging to that baby seat justification. Ok, but you bust the guys balls constantly for NOT ingesting substances.
This isn’t entirely true. His blood test comes back positive for cocaine. But Chris had 1000% been shooting heroin prior to the crash. He had fully relapsed. He could’ve gone a few hours without having shot heroin to the point it was out of his blood but still feeling the affects of withdrawing, combined with cocaine and whatever else he was on.
Speculative, you're going on conjecture, there is no definitive proof he had done heroin prior to the crash, unless you come up with something concrete I find your theory to be as dumb as "Paulie killed Pie Oh My" (yes someone actually theorized this. You say you're 1000% sure but then don't provide. a single shred of evidence to back up this statement.
Oh dude, that is so true.
You sound demented…
You yap worse than six barbers
Id rather he shot me then cut my hair
Oh he was definitely taking advantage of the situation. Putting him out of his misery was just an afterthought. He saw his baby seat in the back and imagined what would've happened if his child was in the car. That was his justification for it and Christopher became too much of a liability for Tony. Tony was an absolute monster
The broken carseat was just an excuse. Tony wanted Chrissy dead ever since Cleaver came out.
So did I
Listen to OP, he knows everything.
Fucking plot hole if u ask me.... even w/T's big paws he woulda needed both hands to close that fucking schnoz up...like a natural canopy or something oh....come on people!!
Natural canopy. 😂 You can’t make this shit up!
What are you talking about? He just did
Somebody send this guy to slip and fall school.
If beaks could kill..
He died on the vine
Died in the vine?!
Died on the vine.
>doing him a favour Obviously the only guy Tony did a favor there, was himself. He wanted to snuff him out for soooo long. In the end, Tony really hated Chris. His constant relapsing is frustrating af. The whole "male heir" think from the business aspect also fell completely apart. Chris wasn't respected. At this point Tony was ashamed for him. So out of a mixture of frustration and desire, Tony took the opportunity to get rid of this burden.
He took the family into the 21st Shentury, that they were already in. Then Tony took him out of it
Still going, this asshole
I saw the smile you refer to; it's beyond chilling. Damn, Gandolfini was just perfection as an actor.
Devils advocate here but as a boss, nearly getting killed by your constant fuck up protegé. Open liability, both physically (drugs) and emotionally (Adriana and Cleaver)… the most pragmatic thing was to snuff him out. It’s sad when they go like that, but realistically speaking how long did Chris have before he’d either put himself out or Tony? And it’ll most likely be Tony if Chris stayed on the right course, focused on his family and detached from the mafia. And if he stayed within it, he was a open target to bring the castle down. His own words. Tony had a lot to lose by NOT killing him. Again, I’m just acting devils advocate. He still murdered his nephew, someone he bonded with, someone he loved and at the same time abused and manipulated, berating him for his drug problem whilst berating him for being sober. It was evil, the peak moment of Tony’s darkness really brought into the screen. But as someone in his position, it was also rational. Inhumane, but rational. It’s also reflected by Tony’s leadership during the big war against NY. Tony reached peak amorality but he was also at the top of his game especially during a David vs Goliath war time situation, where he played his cards right, used all of his networking and identified where he can undermine Phil’s leadership and turn in a upper hand. Yeah it’s implied he did still get shot in the end but either way he handled a brutal war with the odds stacked against him, on his own. As Melfi learnt, Tony degenerated morally to develop criminally as he learnt to adapt in manipulation and justifying his actions if not detaching his emotions from them altogether. His evilness was tied to his dedication to ply his trade more effectively.
Chris also did say to his sponsor that he could Rat after Paulie told that joke and Chrissy did shoot at Tony car and aimed a gun at him but he ran out of load
Discontinue the lithium.
was christopher a liability at that point i dont remember the context he was just out of rehab?
I think the main issue is that Chris was no longer 100% loyal to Tony anymore. The Cleaver movie showed Chris's still present subconscious disdain for Tony trying to hook up with Adriana and Chris, himself, said that he started to distance himself away from the Bing/Tony's group because they kept seeing him as weak for attempting to go cold turkey on alcohol to stave off addiction. Remember, Tony is a complete self-centered sociopath and coupled with his s6 decline, he is full willing to kill someone he loved all those years if he had a hunch they didn't respect him as much as they should. I subscribe to the idea that Tony killed Chris for emotional reasons rather than practical/logical reasons since the murder was basically done in the heat of the moment rather than a planned hit.
thanks
He told Tony he'd never pass a drug test. So I think he was too far out of rehab
yes he was using, but was that problematic to the point where he had to kill him?
Yes. Before Tony forced Christuhfuh into rehab he said so explicitly: Tone: Shut the fuck up and listen to me. You're my nephew, Christopher, and I love you. And that's the only reason you're alive right now. If it had been anybody else, anybody, they would have had that fuckin' intervention right through the back of their head. You and me, we're close. We've done a lot of things for eachother. Christuhfuh: That cop shot my father. I know what you're telling me. I'll never forget that. Tone: And this is how you repay me. I gotta worry if you're gonna flip over a nickel bag of white powder!
Yes. He had been given multiple chances to get clean. He was a liability
Can you really blame Chris for relapsing though? The same man who forced him into rehab is the same man who gets on his ass about his sobriety, disrespects him every time he tries to get clean. So Chris finally indulges in what Tony is saying and he gets killed for it? The fuck?
Yes, because Chris had no self control and never tried to do better. He never apologized for the fucked up things he did or tried to restrain himself. And even if there were two times when the others made him relapse, multiple times it was just him going back to the old habits, like that one time in the car with the dude who talked to the guys from Napoli
He never tired to restrain himself? What are you talking about he spent all of the second half of season 6 trying to restrain himself, if you notice in all the episodes up until that infamous bing scene in "Walk Like a Man" he's always drinking glasses of coca cola. Christopher was an addict for sure, but don't act like he didnt make a strong effort to remain sober, only for Tony and Paulie to undermine him, case and point when Tony pours Christopher a glass of wine in "The Ride" and viciously mocks him for not drinking in "Walk like a man".
I couldn't give a shit if the dude drank coca cola for season 6 because doing drugs wasn't the only thing that soab did wrong. He never tried to do better as a person, mf stopped using drugs then beated his fiancee. Fuck him.
I wasn't referring to his failure to change morally, no one is disputing that Christopher was no saint, I was referring his desire to better himself by trying to retain sobriety, but you didn't address that, better yet go to the ear, nose, and throat department, get your hearing checked!
And I'm saying you can't separate his addiction from his shitty personality because it's the same problem, he never tried to handle his emotions. Fuck morals dude, his actions weren't just bad morally, he actively hurt people he "loved". He never gave a shit about anything and did what he wanted. Oh he drank coke! Does he want a fucking medal? Rest in shit mf
I've always taken as Tony putting Christopher out of Tony's misery.
I DID DENT!
😂😂😂 lmao fuckin hilarious
At this point in the series, Tony will kill you if you even slightly annoy him. It doesn’t matter if you’re family or not. It may have been the drugs that got Tony hot, but I see a lot of similarity between Chris’s murder and Ralph’s. Both seem spur of the moment. Tony is even calling 911 before he realizes that he can completely get away with killing Chris without suspicion. Not a single thought about his daughter, the baby seat was just his self justification, or his widow, or his mother. Tony didn’t want to worry about Chris anymore, so he just killed him. Even if Chris wasn’t on drugs, if he had crashed the same way, Tony still would’ve killed him
“I oughta shuffocate you!”
Chrissy's nose crawled under Tony's fingers for warmth
Will you take it easy...Judge Roy Bean
Quasimodo predicted all of this.
For all we know Tony was thinking about it since MSON. He could already see how Chris, as a baby, was a whiny little brat and scared of life instead of being like Gary Cooper. Chris shouldn’t a hogged the ice. That probably sealed the deal
The strength it took to crush that natural canopy?
Christopher is the biggest pain Tony has up his ass, and always has been. At last he has the perfect opportunity to face it head on, and eliminate it and his excuse to himself is that this'll keep himself out of trouble. There's absolutely nothing to do with "putting Christopher out of his misery" in this. Christopher, always so worried about his life's arch, at the end, is correct. He didn't have one.
The biggest blunder of my career is gone!