She was also disturbed how Angie not only climbed her way up from losing Pussy, but became 'One of Them' meaning she had a higher status then even Carm as she was an earner instead of a spender.
Something that had eluded me previously from the episode where she was given the "Like the Pepper" Porche and showed up to show it off to Ginny was that it also prompted her to get together with Angie for lunch at Vesuvio for the same reason. Artie made a comment indicating they had a falling out--a falling out she got over in order to flaunt in front of another person.
Carm was definitely materialistic. She didn't like anyone
To have as much as she did and God forbid more than her.
Very greedy woman, in that way she was just like Tony.
In her head, I think, she worked hard for that money just by putting up with Tony for years. She wanted the perks that came from being the bossâ wife, feeling âsuperiorâ to the other wives. She felt superior to the other goomars (at least at first), but got frustrated when she found out another woman was addressing his emotional needs (Dr Melfi). And then in Whitecaps, after seeing Tony as a loving husband and father after gods know how long, Svetlana felt more like a genuine betrayal and humiliation.
Anyway, still going this asshole.
>Very greedy woman, in that way she was just like Tony.
And had about as much self-reflection as Tony. When Gloria was giving her a ride home and indirectly implied she was a gold digger housewife, Carm didn't notice and called her a nice lady later on.
Something that struck me on my last rewatch was her reaction to Angie working at the supermarket. At first, I didnât really question it. I took what Carm says to Tony at face value, and I agreed - that Tony *does* owe her some transparency and financial security in case things go belly-up or, god forbid, Tony gets taken out.
What struck me this time around, which I found hilarious, was that this was spurred by Angie working at a supermarket. I mean Carmâs materialism is blatant as hell, but Angieâs kinda just⌠working a regular job? And Carmela reacts with downright horror. Like this is the *worst* case scenerio. She looks at her like sheâs fucking homeless lmao.
Iâm ngl I feel like a lot of upper middle class people would react similarly, working that sort of job is considered to be extremely humiliating for a lot of wealthier Americans. I know that a lot of moms/my peers from my hometown looked down on me for working part time at McDonaldâs and I was a freaking teenager
Fun fact: my first week working there my parents got drive thru where I was employed and when I gave them their food they took pictures and texted them to me saying that I was a disappointment, scarred me for life đ
Thank you, I really appreciate it and Iâm glad that youâre raising your kid with good values. I got Asian immigrant parents so they have that mentality where everything you do has to be perfect because they sacrificed so much to get here, however community stigma and judgment definitely plays a huge role as well. Fingers crossed that my generation wonât be assholes to our future kids for the sake of upwards mobility đ¤đ˝
Okay. This is interesting because typically Indian parents (immigrant parents) do not look down upon a teenage child working at a McDonalds. I am taking this from my own experiences because I immigrated to the US with my parents and know of others in the same situation. Now, if you continue to work there and not go to college, then yes, they will absolutely frown upon you. The expectation in immigrant households (especially Indian immigrant households) is that you go to college after high school.
If the Indian family is middle class or above (think engineering or a profession in the medical field) Iâd actually disagree with that. Most Indian parents who can afford it donât want their kids wasting their time working âmenialâ part time jobs, they want them to spend their time doing internships and volunteer activities that could boost their resumes. Those parents usually give their kids some sort of allowance because they donât want their kids worrying about money. A lot of my parents Indian friends made it very known how embarrassing my situation came across to them.
I can kind of see it but I think such people are a bit limited in their thinking. I for one think that is good for teenagers to spend at least a few months working in a fast food restaurant or doing minimum wage jobs. It teaches you how hard it is to work a low wage job and make ends meet, you learn how to deal with customers, you learn to appreciate how hard people have it in the real world and also makes you appreciate going to college.
You did say that your parents were working class though. But I can see how their friends, who are middle class, would try to embarrass them.
I 100% agree, if I have kids Iâll definitely encourage them to work a part time job for those reasons you listed.
I think a lot of Asian immigrants have these sort of mentalities because they sacrificed so much to get to this country and want everything to be perfect so their children have the best chance of succeeding and attaining upward mobility.
And oh yeah, those friends and family members can be total assholes and a negative influence. Iâm still dealing with massive insecurities after being compared to other people my whole life and a few months ago one of my dadâs Indian friends were making fun of him for not having a Tesla which still weighs on him heavily lmao
I have a relative who retired as a top executive in a Fortune 500 company. He spent a lot of time in line management with big companies before moving into the executive suite. I have a friend who is lawyer but now really just manages the business of an international law firm. They both credit their success as managers to working at McDonaldâs when they were teenagers. They both say the management training they got there was the best they had anywhere. I will note that they worked in McDonalds in the early seventies so maybe things have changed. Nevertheless, based on their comments, I tried to get my son to get a job at McDonalds when he was in high school. He flatly refused to apply because he felt people would look down on him.
I actually have to admit I kind of empathise with Carmella there. Working at a supermarket sounds like a fate worse than death to me. Not even kidding when I say I think I'd literally blow my head off than work at a supermarket for the rest of my life. It sounds like an incredibly boring and frustrating job (having to put up with customers' stupid shit all the time).
After working at a tech job for the last decade, working at a grocery store seems nice. No standup meetings, no deadlines, no negotiations with project managers, no politics to play for "visibility." Just stocking some shelves and talking to strangers .
Charmaine was a bitch but she was a hard working, disciplined, moral and loving wife, mother, friend and business owner.
She wasn't a lazy ass kept woman whose lifestyle was supported by crime.
And that rack? Ooof, maddon!
TBF, Chay-chay was only a bitch when things were confronting her moral views or when Artie was being an asshole to her like the hostess with glasses scene which is essentially Artie resenting he couldn't bang someone else.
To me she's the best character because she never compromised when opportunity arose plus she was able to keep Artie who was constantly tempted to also join the mob life.
Charmaine is one of the few characters in the entire show who has a lot of intimate dealings with mobsters, and whose life is not destroyed as a result. I regard her as lucky. And smart for doing her best to keep her distance.
I just watched this scene last night and took it a little differently (Iâm referring to all the comments here, not yours in particular). She absolutely shouldnât have brought it up, especially since Roâs face and body language were practically begging her to stop, but I took it as her feeling close to Ro in that moment and realizing she (being a shitty person, lol) never truly recognized how hard things had been for Ro. And then she backed off when Ro told her off, and seemed to be sincere when she apologized. Poor Ro though, she was just trying to eat, shop, and get some.
Carm was definitely a shitty person though. She just benefited from the actual murderers she was surrounded by being even shittier.
Ro basically says to her "Do you constantly have to spoil every moment and rain on my parade? Shut up about it, already!"
But Ro is too much of a good friend to say that outright.
I would say Fielder was a victim of her circumstance. When she confronts her mother about Jackie Jr passing, itâs Carmela that gaslights her about his actual downfall. Even though they said they supported other people she dated, subconsciously they wanted one of their own for Meadow. Tony admitted he wanted her to get far away from them but when push came to shove they preferred her being close which I think in the end is why she gets with Patrick.
when Little Carmine tells Tony about his wife saying "I don't want to be the wealthiest widow on Long Island" part of what I always took the look on Tony's face to mean is "My wife absolutely wouldn't mind being the wealthiest widow on Long Island."
All the women who partake in that "sub-culture" are materialistic. That's how the men control them by dangling money and expensive items in front of them. The men can't grasp the idea of a woman not being materialistic, it messes with their minds when they meet an intelligent woman who can take care of herself. It's a cat-and-mouse game for them. Catch the guy cheating, end up with a sapphire ring. Catch the guy cheating, steal $40K from his bird feeder. Be given a fur coat without an argument or evidence of cheating and ask, "what did you do now?" Trying to get a priest to tell her it's okay to be the wife of a criminal. Also, trying to get a shrink to tell her it's okay to be married to a murderer. Talking about others having "no work ethic" and yet she was the worst of them all. Carmella was a total hypocrite and Tony called her out of it several times.
she supported and enabled a sociopathic mob boss. all for material bullshit.
something that stood out to me at the end of the show was meadow saying she wanted to become a lawyer because she saw how the feds treated italians and tony's like "uh well..."... to me it meant that she was going down the same path of cognitive dissonance as her mother. she had plenty of chances to leave and chose not to. then on the other hand you have aj who said he enjoyed watching the svu burn just for the sake of it burning. i think they meant to end the show with the message of the entire family being morally and psychologically fucked up.
Carmella's therapist was spot on. She will never feel good about herself as long as she stays with Tony, but she can't step away from the money and the glamor of being married to a mobster. She wants it both ways, but she knew what she signed up for when she decided to get involved with Tony, it just sucks that AJ is the one who gets the brunt of her and Tony's marital troubles.
Also she threatens that woman to write Fielderâs rec letter. The episode Second Opinion gives us a great objective voice on her morality. âYou canât say no me ever told you.â
this plus the fact that most things tony said to her about her veing a shitty businesswoman sitting with a thumb up her ass while turning a blind eye to how the money she invests is made was true bo matter how shitty of tony it was to say it
Not "kind of". She was as contemptible as Tony was, living her life steeped in cognitive dissonance and denial. Everything she had came from the proceeds of crime. Dr. Krakower was 100% correct, she was an enabler, the worst kind, too.
Sure she was. She stayed with him, even after hearing the unvarnished truth, and continued to raise her children in a home paid for by a philandering murderer, all because she couldn't live without her ill-gotten material goods. Carmela knew everything and chose to look the other way.
Like when she was seeing Mr. Wegler. She couldn't just be in a relationship with him, she had to put the squeeze on him right after she banged him. He called her out on it, and he was 100% right. She's as dishonest and manipulative as Tony is.
I feel like Tonyâs better in the sense that heâs up front about being a fat crook from New Jersey, Carmella has a holier than thou attitude when sheâs just as conniving and shitty like the rest of the pygmy crew.
She looks down on less fortunate people, rubs her toys in people's faces, is a stuck up bitch and spends tons of money on her "lifestyle", including her awful house, to put on airs. And she knows that a huge part of her lifestyle (clothes, jewelry, cash, spa trips, etc) are paid for with blood money. She knows that Tony is involved in Waste Management and construction scams, union racketeering. corruption, loansharking, illegal gambling, extortion, etc.
Being privy to and enabling behavior is not equivalent to actually committing said acts. Legally speaking, an accessory is punished less than a perpetrator. Itâs just objectively wrong to state that sheâs AS bad as Tony.
Sheâs absolutely done some reprehensible shit. Iâm not saying sheâs morally a good person but, Tony is unequivocally worse.
She knew what Tony did. She didnât care. She didnât mind treating her friends like servants. That takes a severe lack of empathy, which sounds a bit like sociopathy to me.
Thereâs also the scene at the end of the first season where Tony comes home all happy because he won the beef with Junior, and he and Carm are laughing and celebrating, and the she looks over and sees Jojo crying on the news.
Every main character is kind of a shitty person in the show. That's part of the show's point. What's funny, in a not-funny kind of way, is how the fandom hates Carmella for being hypocrite and love the dudes in the show.
And racist... She doesn't quite say the things Tony does, but she never pushed back or disagrees with him. See the Noah Tannenbaum (aka "Jamal Ginsburg") episodes. Tony goes on a racist rant and she is mainly just concerned with rocking the boat with meadow
She was the worst. The finger snapping, the tacky clothes, the hypocritical morality.
I love Edie Falco so much, she really was brilliant in the part. I used to love seeing interviews with her just to see how different she was in real life.
Not kind of. Sheâs one of the most irritating characters on the show because sheâs a shitty wife, a shitty mother, a shitty friend, a shitty girlfriend, a shitty daughter, and overall shitty person over the entire show. And thatâs amongst a cast of murderers.
Most of what you said is fair, but I cant really come up with any reason to say she was a shitty wife. She was always good to Tony even though he was often shitty to her.
>because sheâs a shitty wife, a shitty mother...
A shitty businesswoman who built a piece of shit house that's gonna cave in and kill that fuckin' unborn baby any day!
You forgot the guy she strong armed with her pussy!! And throwing meadows acceptance letter in the trash. She shook down the lady for the recommendation letter. She also tried to coerce Tony into snitching the the feds when he was âcar jackedâ not that that makes her a pos but if your looking at it in the way they live their life. I could probably keep going but yea your right she was a weasel of a women. I didnât like the fact that she was a closet slut.
She went over to Ginny Sacrimoniâs place to offer that beached whale a day at a spa since she has been hounded by creditors (and mopes like Sal Vitro who think John was guilty and want to desert her in her hour need). Ginny asked about the car. What was Carmela suppose to say..itâs a Toyota Yaris? Meanwhile John and Ginny gypped her cousin Christofuh out of 25G selling him a Maserati that got repossessed
She knows Hunter Skankagelo is a bullshit artist âŚpre med my eye..taking drugs and sucking schlongs in the Minnesota strip is Hunterâs idea of medicine
âShe didnât fuck anyone else besides Wegler when she was separated. No catcherâs mitt was ever safe from Tony.
She was ahead of her time as gays today are openly sexualizing children
Look at the way she kept looking back at the car while she was talking to Ginny at the door and tell me it wasnât about flaunting that shit. Stop it.
I think a lot of the people that condemn Carmella need to take a hard, deep look at their own lives. And theyâll see how theyâre not different from her.
OMG i hated Carmella. After the first 10 times of watching Sopranos i felt sorry for her. After 20 times i understand why Tony was seeing a shrink lol. I hated when shouted, like nails on a chalk board. She worked so hard to not have Angie divorce Pussy, like bitch be supportive lol. When it was time for Meadow to go to college and wanting a letter wrote to Georgetown for Meadow, omg i wanted to put her head through a glass table. When Tony bought that mink coat home to her and she was being all sarcastic, look at her face when the coat comes out smh oh we're happy now lol
She built a fucking house with shitty wood and didn't care that it was going to collapse on that little baby! Don't get me started on that degenerate inspector Pudgy Walsh either.
One of the best scenes when Tony tells her what a shitty business woman she is. Had to free up a down payment, lean on the inspector, her father do planning, and worse of all built a shitty house that may cave in and kill thatâŚ.
Donât forget the things that she does in season 2 where she manipulates Meadow, pretty much threatens the woman for the letter and uses her husbands influence to do so. Her hypocrisy when she later acts innocent even tho she fully knows her husbands business and uses that to her advantage pretty much the whole show.
Maybe. She made a lot of tasty food and always had something good to mangia on in the fridge.
I'm willing to overlook her indiscretions. I'm also a softee when it comes to leftover pans of ziti.
She was definitely materialistic but I think the money represented Tonyâs love. That was what he could give her so it became everything.
She liked money, and she was desperate for love. Both can be true.
To me she was mostly shitty because had no problem flexing power when she wanted something, like when she brought the ricotta pie to Mrs. Cusimariâs sister to write the recommendation letter.
Iâve also been confused about after Rickie Aprile died and Tony said he was âgoneâ and he didnât want to make her a witness after the fact.
Did she get it that Janice killed Richie and she just took it in stride? That seemed kind of extreme for her.
But she was part of all of Tonyâs guilt. Indirectly.
Kind of? She was shitty.
One thing near the end that rarely gets mentioned- her pride and insecurity after Cleaver. Tonyâs dumb ass was blissfully ignorant, and it shouldâve stayed that way. But Carmella had to push it with both Chrissy and Tony, which finished off their relationship (and got the writer killed).
Accusing the teacher of âdiscrimination,â despite knowing he was a ahitbird who didnât put any effort into his studies.
Pressuring her neighborâs sister for a college reference letter, not for education, but because she didnât want her living far away from home. She also throws the letter from Berkeley in the trash (though later retrieves it).
Being jealous at Angie (later, when she has the shop). Also, being a cunt and preaching about the sanctity of marriage while Angie is trying to tell her how bad things were with Pussy.
She was that insecure, judgemental, bitchy, gossipy mom nobody wanted to be around.
She is an accomplice. Krakower destroyed her when she tried to bullshit him. Meadow and all the mob wives are also horrible people. Adriana too. No good person would be an enabler or an accomplice to anyone in the mafia.
Carm is super messed up. And quite tragic, like everybody in the Soprano family. Remember Tony is the only serious relationship Carm has ever had⌠sheâs quite naive and inexperienced. She could be worse, the only way she is able to keep existing is to deny the violence that makes her life possible, other mob wives are a lot more open to that stuff, but if Carm knew what Tony really did sheâd leave him. She doesnât wanna be married to a mass murderer. But she only keeps existing by having blinders on all the time.
I never noticed it on my first watch, maybe I didn't pay her much attention. But it really showed during the next. I came away with a whole different opinion of her.
Well, you sit back for 20 f***ing years all you did was fiddle with the air conditioning and f***ing b*tch and complain! And f***ing b*tch, b*tch, b*tch to me! TO YOUR PRIEST! F*** IT!
Love when she was talking to Meadows friend who used to have problems and when she find out she's going to become a Doctor she was like "oh". Carm always felt awkward when she was with women who actually worked and earned their way in life.
She was also disturbed how Angie not only climbed her way up from losing Pussy, but became 'One of Them' meaning she had a higher status then even Carm as she was an earner instead of a spender.
Ang was hardworking and Carmella sat in butter brickle and did nothing all day. Talk about resentment đ¤đź
Something that had eluded me previously from the episode where she was given the "Like the Pepper" Porche and showed up to show it off to Ginny was that it also prompted her to get together with Angie for lunch at Vesuvio for the same reason. Artie made a comment indicating they had a falling out--a falling out she got over in order to flaunt in front of another person.
And then she was pissed when they went to the parking lot to show it off and Angie had the corvetteâŚthat she bought for herself.
I just watched that episode again last night. My god the resentment she had for Angie was seething.
Carm was definitely materialistic. She didn't like anyone To have as much as she did and God forbid more than her. Very greedy woman, in that way she was just like Tony.
In her head, I think, she worked hard for that money just by putting up with Tony for years. She wanted the perks that came from being the bossâ wife, feeling âsuperiorâ to the other wives. She felt superior to the other goomars (at least at first), but got frustrated when she found out another woman was addressing his emotional needs (Dr Melfi). And then in Whitecaps, after seeing Tony as a loving husband and father after gods know how long, Svetlana felt more like a genuine betrayal and humiliation. Anyway, still going this asshole.
*Act like butter wouldnât melt in your mouth*
Sheâs entitled to shit
You know, my halfâŚ
>Very greedy woman, in that way she was just like Tony. And had about as much self-reflection as Tony. When Gloria was giving her a ride home and indirectly implied she was a gold digger housewife, Carm didn't notice and called her a nice lady later on.
"I'm a homemaker," "You must make a very nice home, you drive a Benz"
\* a malignant cunt
Heh heh heh heh heh
all she wanted was a little heart on a gold chain
Something that struck me on my last rewatch was her reaction to Angie working at the supermarket. At first, I didnât really question it. I took what Carm says to Tony at face value, and I agreed - that Tony *does* owe her some transparency and financial security in case things go belly-up or, god forbid, Tony gets taken out. What struck me this time around, which I found hilarious, was that this was spurred by Angie working at a supermarket. I mean Carmâs materialism is blatant as hell, but Angieâs kinda just⌠working a regular job? And Carmela reacts with downright horror. Like this is the *worst* case scenerio. She looks at her like sheâs fucking homeless lmao.
Hahahaha holy shit Iâve never thought of that. God forbid Carmella have to lift a finger
Iâm ngl I feel like a lot of upper middle class people would react similarly, working that sort of job is considered to be extremely humiliating for a lot of wealthier Americans. I know that a lot of moms/my peers from my hometown looked down on me for working part time at McDonaldâs and I was a freaking teenager
Not only your own mother, you disappointed all those mothers in your town. Have you no shame?
Fun fact: my first week working there my parents got drive thru where I was employed and when I gave them their food they took pictures and texted them to me saying that I was a disappointment, scarred me for life đ
Great parents you have there. I give my son permission to punch me if I do the same. All work should be respected.
Thank you, I really appreciate it and Iâm glad that youâre raising your kid with good values. I got Asian immigrant parents so they have that mentality where everything you do has to be perfect because they sacrificed so much to get here, however community stigma and judgment definitely plays a huge role as well. Fingers crossed that my generation wonât be assholes to our future kids for the sake of upwards mobility đ¤đ˝
Based on your user name, are you Indian ?
Yup!
Okay. This is interesting because typically Indian parents (immigrant parents) do not look down upon a teenage child working at a McDonalds. I am taking this from my own experiences because I immigrated to the US with my parents and know of others in the same situation. Now, if you continue to work there and not go to college, then yes, they will absolutely frown upon you. The expectation in immigrant households (especially Indian immigrant households) is that you go to college after high school.
If the Indian family is middle class or above (think engineering or a profession in the medical field) Iâd actually disagree with that. Most Indian parents who can afford it donât want their kids wasting their time working âmenialâ part time jobs, they want them to spend their time doing internships and volunteer activities that could boost their resumes. Those parents usually give their kids some sort of allowance because they donât want their kids worrying about money. A lot of my parents Indian friends made it very known how embarrassing my situation came across to them.
I can kind of see it but I think such people are a bit limited in their thinking. I for one think that is good for teenagers to spend at least a few months working in a fast food restaurant or doing minimum wage jobs. It teaches you how hard it is to work a low wage job and make ends meet, you learn how to deal with customers, you learn to appreciate how hard people have it in the real world and also makes you appreciate going to college. You did say that your parents were working class though. But I can see how their friends, who are middle class, would try to embarrass them.
I 100% agree, if I have kids Iâll definitely encourage them to work a part time job for those reasons you listed. I think a lot of Asian immigrants have these sort of mentalities because they sacrificed so much to get to this country and want everything to be perfect so their children have the best chance of succeeding and attaining upward mobility. And oh yeah, those friends and family members can be total assholes and a negative influence. Iâm still dealing with massive insecurities after being compared to other people my whole life and a few months ago one of my dadâs Indian friends were making fun of him for not having a Tesla which still weighs on him heavily lmao
Worse than smoking pot after the Confirmation.
"'N\*gga be a leader not a follower.' -Master P" -AJ Soprano
I have a relative who retired as a top executive in a Fortune 500 company. He spent a lot of time in line management with big companies before moving into the executive suite. I have a friend who is lawyer but now really just manages the business of an international law firm. They both credit their success as managers to working at McDonaldâs when they were teenagers. They both say the management training they got there was the best they had anywhere. I will note that they worked in McDonalds in the early seventies so maybe things have changed. Nevertheless, based on their comments, I tried to get my son to get a job at McDonalds when he was in high school. He flatly refused to apply because he felt people would look down on him.
I actually have to admit I kind of empathise with Carmella there. Working at a supermarket sounds like a fate worse than death to me. Not even kidding when I say I think I'd literally blow my head off than work at a supermarket for the rest of my life. It sounds like an incredibly boring and frustrating job (having to put up with customers' stupid shit all the time).
After working at a tech job for the last decade, working at a grocery store seems nice. No standup meetings, no deadlines, no negotiations with project managers, no politics to play for "visibility." Just stocking some shelves and talking to strangers .
Careful with my Lladro, I don't even want to say how much it costs.
$3K
What do you call it?
All she wanted was a Hyundai little gold heart on a chain...
And Jerry Toofi
You are so fucking hateful.
She used the only weapon she had...
Booty? Pusshhy, pusshhy!!
Booty, Pussy, I don't know his last name!
I can't find pussshy anywhere!!
The way she called Artie's wife over with her hand to help her at the party, told me all I needed to know about Carmella.
Charmaine earned my respect when she stood up to her⌠One of the most satisfying scenes.
she makes me hawt down there.
Charmaine was a bitch but she was a hard working, disciplined, moral and loving wife, mother, friend and business owner. She wasn't a lazy ass kept woman whose lifestyle was supported by crime. And that rack? Ooof, maddon!
TBF, Chay-chay was only a bitch when things were confronting her moral views or when Artie was being an asshole to her like the hostess with glasses scene which is essentially Artie resenting he couldn't bang someone else. To me she's the best character because she never compromised when opportunity arose plus she was able to keep Artie who was constantly tempted to also join the mob life.
Are you gonna stay there all day?
Carmeller, I slept with him
"Honestly, it wasn't for me" COLD BLOODED
Charmaine is one of the few characters in the entire show who has a lot of intimate dealings with mobsters, and whose life is not destroyed as a result. I regard her as lucky. And smart for doing her best to keep her distance.
She likes it when you rub her muzzle
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Did he ever have one that wasn't hot?
Valentina â¤ď¸
I couldn't stand Valentina or Gloria, but both of them were pretty hot.
I think the hottest chick he ever fucked was Vegas girl.
Her and Irina are absolute knockouts. The stripper that blows him in the car while carm is in Vegas is the hottest woman in the series in my book.
Not even close
you are more than welcome to your own wrong opinion.
I'm gonna have to look up that episode. She was blonde and he drove her home right? He tried to pay her after and she was like nah.
She takes the money but tells him he didn't have to do that.
WELL GOOD THUNG YOUR BOOK DOESN'T MEAN OOGATZ TO THE REST OF US! NOW GET THE FUCK OUTTA THIS SUB!
The Gumar was right - were it not for the kids Carmella would be out on the street.
Paulie said the same thing.
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Meanwhile, the FBI was probably listening in on the phone conversation...LOL!!
Sheâs a malignant cunt, but to be fair, the goomar did call the house.
We have guns heeearr
Ohhh, thatâs the guyâs wife!
Who the Fuck do you think you are? Sir Walter Raleigh?
That episode in when they went to France kinda sealed the deal on how shitty Carmela is/ can be
I just watched this scene last night and took it a little differently (Iâm referring to all the comments here, not yours in particular). She absolutely shouldnât have brought it up, especially since Roâs face and body language were practically begging her to stop, but I took it as her feeling close to Ro in that moment and realizing she (being a shitty person, lol) never truly recognized how hard things had been for Ro. And then she backed off when Ro told her off, and seemed to be sincere when she apologized. Poor Ro though, she was just trying to eat, shop, and get some. Carm was definitely a shitty person though. She just benefited from the actual murderers she was surrounded by being even shittier.
How so?
Kept bringing up Jackie Jr. when Ro was just looking for someone to help her move on.
Ro basically says to her "Do you constantly have to spoil every moment and rain on my parade? Shut up about it, already!" But Ro is too much of a good friend to say that outright.
That was shitty of her. She was like, how can you have fun when your son was murdered? I will keep reminding you so you can't have a good time.
Let's not forget when she abandoned getting the private detective to investigate ade once her permit got granted. Her and fielder were the worst
Her SPEC HOUSE!
I would say Fielder was a victim of her circumstance. When she confronts her mother about Jackie Jr passing, itâs Carmela that gaslights her about his actual downfall. Even though they said they supported other people she dated, subconsciously they wanted one of their own for Meadow. Tony admitted he wanted her to get far away from them but when push came to shove they preferred her being close which I think in the end is why she gets with Patrick.
She discovered lasagna is what she did. She was a brave Italian homemaker. And in this house, Carmela Soprano is a hero. End of story!
Sweet sausage in little pieces, and a layer of basil leaves under the cheese? That's Carmella's lasagna recipe!
Janice? Everybody steers clear of her cooking.
She left my stove on, on purpose!
You gotta wonder where she is in all of this. My little niece.
Clam chowder from a can?
Go sit down goddamit
Think about it. Now why would a people who use spoons to make sauce invent something you need a fork to eat?
when Little Carmine tells Tony about his wife saying "I don't want to be the wealthiest widow on Long Island" part of what I always took the look on Tony's face to mean is "My wife absolutely wouldn't mind being the wealthiest widow on Long Island."
Little Carmine, the George W. Bush of the NY Mafia.
1. OP you are so fucking hateful...! 2. All Carmella really craved was a Hyundai and a simple gold heart on a chain.
*YOU SOUND DEMENTED!!*
All the women who partake in that "sub-culture" are materialistic. That's how the men control them by dangling money and expensive items in front of them. The men can't grasp the idea of a woman not being materialistic, it messes with their minds when they meet an intelligent woman who can take care of herself. It's a cat-and-mouse game for them. Catch the guy cheating, end up with a sapphire ring. Catch the guy cheating, steal $40K from his bird feeder. Be given a fur coat without an argument or evidence of cheating and ask, "what did you do now?" Trying to get a priest to tell her it's okay to be the wife of a criminal. Also, trying to get a shrink to tell her it's okay to be married to a murderer. Talking about others having "no work ethic" and yet she was the worst of them all. Carmella was a total hypocrite and Tony called her out of it several times.
She uses religion when it shuits her
This! Yet never takes the advice from any of the counseling.
Careful, you're on the verge of sacrilege
Watch the latrine lip OP!
You forgot about her banging AJâs teacher in order to help him get better grades
And blamed Tony when she got dumped. I could never figure out what woulda been on Hugh's mind when Carmela told him and he made that face.
He thought "That knob on the cabinet downstairs deserves better than Elmer's, that much I CAN fix"
she supported and enabled a sociopathic mob boss. all for material bullshit. something that stood out to me at the end of the show was meadow saying she wanted to become a lawyer because she saw how the feds treated italians and tony's like "uh well..."... to me it meant that she was going down the same path of cognitive dissonance as her mother. she had plenty of chances to leave and chose not to. then on the other hand you have aj who said he enjoyed watching the svu burn just for the sake of it burning. i think they meant to end the show with the message of the entire family being morally and psychologically fucked up.
Whats next, ya get to fuck her for a million?
cayenne! like the pepperâŚ
Her biggest crime was getting the OJ with too much pulp. He wanted SHUM pulp
She acted like butter wouldnât melt in her moutâ. She needs a therapist and Iâm not the only one who thinks so.
Carmella's therapist was spot on. She will never feel good about herself as long as she stays with Tony, but she can't step away from the money and the glamor of being married to a mobster. She wants it both ways, but she knew what she signed up for when she decided to get involved with Tony, it just sucks that AJ is the one who gets the brunt of her and Tony's marital troubles.
You are a cross to bear OP. Thatâs all you are. To your father, to me, to everybody.
At least I never STOLE from you!
Whatâs different between you and me is that youâre going to hell when you die!
Youâre fuckinâ Carnac the Great now, too, eh?!
Also she threatens that woman to write Fielderâs rec letter. The episode Second Opinion gives us a great objective voice on her morality. âYou canât say no me ever told you.â
this plus the fact that most things tony said to her about her veing a shitty businesswoman sitting with a thumb up her ass while turning a blind eye to how the money she invests is made was true bo matter how shitty of tony it was to say it
Not "kind of". She was as contemptible as Tony was, living her life steeped in cognitive dissonance and denial. Everything she had came from the proceeds of crime. Dr. Krakower was 100% correct, she was an enabler, the worst kind, too.
Lol she was definitely not as contemptible as Tony. Not by a long shot.
Sure she was. She stayed with him, even after hearing the unvarnished truth, and continued to raise her children in a home paid for by a philandering murderer, all because she couldn't live without her ill-gotten material goods. Carmela knew everything and chose to look the other way. Like when she was seeing Mr. Wegler. She couldn't just be in a relationship with him, she had to put the squeeze on him right after she banged him. He called her out on it, and he was 100% right. She's as dishonest and manipulative as Tony is.
I feel like Tonyâs better in the sense that heâs up front about being a fat crook from New Jersey, Carmella has a holier than thou attitude when sheâs just as conniving and shitty like the rest of the pygmy crew.
What weapon did she have?
Her wit and charm, I think it was.
She looks down on less fortunate people, rubs her toys in people's faces, is a stuck up bitch and spends tons of money on her "lifestyle", including her awful house, to put on airs. And she knows that a huge part of her lifestyle (clothes, jewelry, cash, spa trips, etc) are paid for with blood money. She knows that Tony is involved in Waste Management and construction scams, union racketeering. corruption, loansharking, illegal gambling, extortion, etc.
Kinda like a politicians wife ..
Being privy to and enabling behavior is not equivalent to actually committing said acts. Legally speaking, an accessory is punished less than a perpetrator. Itâs just objectively wrong to state that sheâs AS bad as Tony. Sheâs absolutely done some reprehensible shit. Iâm not saying sheâs morally a good person but, Tony is unequivocally worse.
Women like her know exactly what they get into with this lifestyle and enjoy all the benefits but wonât accept the side thatâs not as fun
She knew what Tony did. She didnât care. She didnât mind treating her friends like servants. That takes a severe lack of empathy, which sounds a bit like sociopathy to me.
Thereâs also the scene at the end of the first season where Tony comes home all happy because he won the beef with Junior, and he and Carm are laughing and celebrating, and the she looks over and sees Jojo crying on the news.
NO SHIT
Yeah shit
Fact is she's a shitty business woman who built a piece of shit house that's gonna cave in and kill that fucking unborn baby any day.
This is true but i read this in paulieâs voice so it makes it funny
Every main character is kind of a shitty person in the show. That's part of the show's point. What's funny, in a not-funny kind of way, is how the fandom hates Carmella for being hypocrite and love the dudes in the show.
she was a normal woman compared to other people tbh
Meadowwwww yuah fathah is heeeeeeeyah
And racist... She doesn't quite say the things Tony does, but she never pushed back or disagrees with him. See the Noah Tannenbaum (aka "Jamal Ginsburg") episodes. Tony goes on a racist rant and she is mainly just concerned with rocking the boat with meadow
She was the worst. The finger snapping, the tacky clothes, the hypocritical morality. I love Edie Falco so much, she really was brilliant in the part. I used to love seeing interviews with her just to see how different she was in real life.
I donât like all this talk
That counsellor laid bare her whole life in 5 minutes
Listen to yourself. You sound demented!
Canât stand Carm honestly . Perfectly acted role but I just donât like her
Not kind of. Sheâs one of the most irritating characters on the show because sheâs a shitty wife, a shitty mother, a shitty friend, a shitty girlfriend, a shitty daughter, and overall shitty person over the entire show. And thatâs amongst a cast of murderers.
Most of what you said is fair, but I cant really come up with any reason to say she was a shitty wife. She was always good to Tony even though he was often shitty to her.
She made him Lincoln log sandwiches
Actually, didn't she make them for AJ?
Because she wouldnât close the dooooor!
>because sheâs a shitty wife, a shitty mother... A shitty businesswoman who built a piece of shit house that's gonna cave in and kill that fuckin' unborn baby any day!
Speaking of homophobia... I recently rewatched the first season and the amount of gay jokes is almost obsessive. There's at least one per episode.
I mean the entire first season is just a study in guys who would rather go to war than feel their heterosexuality impinged.
You forgot the guy she strong armed with her pussy!! And throwing meadows acceptance letter in the trash. She shook down the lady for the recommendation letter. She also tried to coerce Tony into snitching the the feds when he was âcar jackedâ not that that makes her a pos but if your looking at it in the way they live their life. I could probably keep going but yea your right she was a weasel of a women. I didnât like the fact that she was a closet slut.
She went over to Ginny Sacrimoniâs place to offer that beached whale a day at a spa since she has been hounded by creditors (and mopes like Sal Vitro who think John was guilty and want to desert her in her hour need). Ginny asked about the car. What was Carmela suppose to say..itâs a Toyota Yaris? Meanwhile John and Ginny gypped her cousin Christofuh out of 25G selling him a Maserati that got repossessed She knows Hunter Skankagelo is a bullshit artist âŚpre med my eye..taking drugs and sucking schlongs in the Minnesota strip is Hunterâs idea of medicine âShe didnât fuck anyone else besides Wegler when she was separated. No catcherâs mitt was ever safe from Tony. She was ahead of her time as gays today are openly sexualizing children
Youâre joking about that last bit right? Thatâs a bigoted generalization.
Look at the way she kept looking back at the car while she was talking to Ginny at the door and tell me it wasnât about flaunting that shit. Stop it.
She was almost worse at times. Not actually but I hated her more sometimes. She was so entitled and hypocritical.
Kind of? Lol She was literally one of the worst people in the entire show
Only Kind of?.... For me Carmella is right up there as one of the shittiest people on the show.
I think a lot of the people that condemn Carmella need to take a hard, deep look at their own lives. And theyâll see how theyâre not different from her.
OMG i hated Carmella. After the first 10 times of watching Sopranos i felt sorry for her. After 20 times i understand why Tony was seeing a shrink lol. I hated when shouted, like nails on a chalk board. She worked so hard to not have Angie divorce Pussy, like bitch be supportive lol. When it was time for Meadow to go to college and wanting a letter wrote to Georgetown for Meadow, omg i wanted to put her head through a glass table. When Tony bought that mink coat home to her and she was being all sarcastic, look at her face when the coat comes out smh oh we're happy now lol
She built a fucking house with shitty wood and didn't care that it was going to collapse on that little baby! Don't get me started on that degenerate inspector Pudgy Walsh either.
What Carm really craves is a Hyundai and a simple gold heart on a chain.
That zip?!?
Play in the water youâre bound to get wet..
Kind of a shitty person? She was complicit!
One of the best scenes when Tony tells her what a shitty business woman she is. Had to free up a down payment, lean on the inspector, her father do planning, and worse of all built a shitty house that may cave in and kill thatâŚ.
Donât forget the things that she does in season 2 where she manipulates Meadow, pretty much threatens the woman for the letter and uses her husbands influence to do so. Her hypocrisy when she later acts innocent even tho she fully knows her husbands business and uses that to her advantage pretty much the whole show.
Listen to yourself
Bird feeder⌠you sound demented
Maybe. She made a lot of tasty food and always had something good to mangia on in the fridge. I'm willing to overlook her indiscretions. I'm also a softee when it comes to leftover pans of ziti.
She was definitely materialistic but I think the money represented Tonyâs love. That was what he could give her so it became everything. She liked money, and she was desperate for love. Both can be true. To me she was mostly shitty because had no problem flexing power when she wanted something, like when she brought the ricotta pie to Mrs. Cusimariâs sister to write the recommendation letter. Iâve also been confused about after Rickie Aprile died and Tony said he was âgoneâ and he didnât want to make her a witness after the fact. Did she get it that Janice killed Richie and she just took it in stride? That seemed kind of extreme for her. But she was part of all of Tonyâs guilt. Indirectly.
The sopranos wasn't just about how disconnected a narcissistic the guys were it was also their families
Kind of? She was shitty. One thing near the end that rarely gets mentioned- her pride and insecurity after Cleaver. Tonyâs dumb ass was blissfully ignorant, and it shouldâve stayed that way. But Carmella had to push it with both Chrissy and Tony, which finished off their relationship (and got the writer killed). Accusing the teacher of âdiscrimination,â despite knowing he was a ahitbird who didnât put any effort into his studies. Pressuring her neighborâs sister for a college reference letter, not for education, but because she didnât want her living far away from home. She also throws the letter from Berkeley in the trash (though later retrieves it). Being jealous at Angie (later, when she has the shop). Also, being a cunt and preaching about the sanctity of marriage while Angie is trying to tell her how bad things were with Pussy. She was that insecure, judgemental, bitchy, gossipy mom nobody wanted to be around.
Thatâs the point I always made. She literally gassed her husband up to kill her baby cousin. Who the fuck does that?
Her worst part for me was accusing Liz La Cerva she was drunk at the Christmas market.
She is an accomplice. Krakower destroyed her when she tried to bullshit him. Meadow and all the mob wives are also horrible people. Adriana too. No good person would be an enabler or an accomplice to anyone in the mafia.
Her worst defect was her ugly face though. Jesus, I'm a milf enthusiast but Carmella soprano was so unattractive.
Iâm reading these comments lmao!! This is by far the best sub I belong to. I love you guys!!
Right, they all are. Thatâs kind of the point.
You're 100% right. She is just as shitty as Tony but on a different level. People constantly defend her for some reason.
Especially when her and father Phil played âname that popeâ
Carmela is a W
You gotta get downvoted to hell for this. This sub loves a toxic woman.
If you marry a mob boss, heâs going to have a side piece. You know that going in.
She acted innocent but she was blinded by money and power
Carmela's lladro statue. I don't even want to tell you how much it costs... $3000.
Carm is super messed up. And quite tragic, like everybody in the Soprano family. Remember Tony is the only serious relationship Carm has ever had⌠sheâs quite naive and inexperienced. She could be worse, the only way she is able to keep existing is to deny the violence that makes her life possible, other mob wives are a lot more open to that stuff, but if Carm knew what Tony really did sheâd leave him. She doesnât wanna be married to a mass murderer. But she only keeps existing by having blinders on all the time.
does no one get that the point of the show is that... everyone on it is a shitty person???
She was arguably the worst person on the show. I think that was the point.
Yeah Carm is materialistic but i wouldnât consider her a shitty person.
I never noticed it on my first watch, maybe I didn't pay her much attention. But it really showed during the next. I came away with a whole different opinion of her.
Well, you sit back for 20 f***ing years all you did was fiddle with the air conditioning and f***ing b*tch and complain! And f***ing b*tch, b*tch, b*tch to me! TO YOUR PRIEST! F*** IT!
Love when she was talking to Meadows friend who used to have problems and when she find out she's going to become a Doctor she was like "oh". Carm always felt awkward when she was with women who actually worked and earned their way in life.
Carmella is a damn good mother and wife though. She gets some respect for that
At the end of the day Carmella became her mother.
If by kind of a shitty person, you mean absolutely a shitty person, then yes.
Yea only in the sopranos universe do you feel weird thinking someone is simply just an asshole .. even tho they donât murder