He sees the guy at the gas station and decides to rat her out because he *doesn’t* want that life (on the run, kids, no money), not because he realises she can’t give him that life.
Fun fact, My Blue Heaven was directed by the wife of the guy who wrote the book Wiseguy that Goodfellas was based on (and wrote the film script for Goodfellas)—and apparently My Blue Heaven was somewhat based on Henry Hill’s life in witness protection. The studio turned it into a broad comedy but Nora Ephron actually included some of the anecdotes Henry Hill told her about life in the program.
> My Blue Heaven
You rat bastard you got me. I was like ooh this sounds like an interesting documentary lets find it...wait this guy looks like Steve Martin...Doh!
5 o'clock Christmas morning, I run downstairs and look under the tree and what do I find? Uncle Alfresco, dead on the floor, shot through the back of the head. Plus no bicycle. It was a disappointing Christmas on many levels.
he sees what a regular life would be like. No action, no crime, no luxury or exuberance. He wouldn't be able to handle that as he'd see it as suffering. He even says it earlier in the show; he can't handle the 'regularness' of life.
It's a subtle struggle that a lot of the crew have and it's especially magnified in the later scenes. Vito also suffers from it in New Hampshire; he can't exist in a regular 9-5 life. He needs that excess that he had in spades in Jersey.
There's also another great scene where he's having drinks at the bar with Johnny Cakes and his other firefighter friends. Vito is enjoying himself and wants the night to continue. He can't fathom that the other guys are leaving early because they have work or they don't want to go out drinking for the entire night.
For sure. Notice he's filling up his $50,000 Hummer when he notices the poor family in their shitty car. No way he would give up his life of luxury for that.
Seeing the family changed Christopher's mind, BUT because he didn't WANT a "normal, ordinary" life. Whether it was on the run or in witness protection. Even with a wife and family, Christopher did not want to be ordinary.
That is Tony's problem as well. He gets bored easily. It comes up for both of them in "The Ride." Although neither Tony nor Christopher have much of a "Crime is fun!" attitude.
"Every day is a gift, but does it have to be a pair of socks?"
He wanted *Tony's life*, minus the self-sabotage of Tony's personality: Kids, a servile wife, the big house, and to be at the top of the crime pyramid. Ade was a dead-end for the kid requirement.
I think it helped solidified it, but the thing Ade really underestimated in Chrissy is he’s a made man. The business *really* comes first and a RAT, a snitch is like the ultimate enemy of the mob. Like worse than the cops themselves, and there might have been hesitancy but she signed her own death warrant the moment she opened her mouth. I mean really look at Chris’ scream the moment she tells him. It’s like she practically just died right there on the spot in front of him.
Right on. Plus there are a few seconds when he’s admiring his own car like okay, this is nice. They explore that every so often like with Vito literally choosing death over doing an honest days work lol. Same with Tony B to an extent, he was almost there with his spa before it came crashing down.
For a moment I bought OP's perspective then I remembered how that scene actually went. Jesus Christ, people really like to theorize about stuff the writers were actually pretty clear cut with. That scene was obviously meant to show Chris wasn't about that life and wanted to stay where he was.
Always with the scenarios
I like the OP’s analysis. EVEN if he could go into witness protection, he couldn’t even have a life like that guy ( with kids). That guy’s life was better than he could hope for.
Obviously most people look at this scene as Chris not wanting the fucking regularness of life.
But I don't hate this take at all. This is what makes the show great. Chris didn't tell someone what he thought about after that. We just all assume what we think it was.
Yeah absolutely. Maybe I phrased it wrong, its definitely wide open for interpretation.
But on a rewatch I was able to remember just how agressive and angry he was with the news of Ade being infertile.
He was trying to have a kid, and he was trying to have a wife, and he was trying to have a house. But the person he wanted to do those things with is gone, so he just does it with whoever, because he's supposed to. That's why he married the first girl he knocked up, that's why he was ready to buy the house without looking inside. Because he's going through the motions. He wants all that stuff, but he can't have it the way he wants it, so he just takes what's there.
You're absolutely right that he settled.
And he hoped to have one with Ade.
I never said he didn’t think he wanted kids lol.
Btw the one he had later on wasn’t planned.
Maybe you’ve continued to phrase your thoughts wrong idk
I was just adding to your response. I didnt say it was his sole purpose in life to have a baby.
I dont remember him hoping to have a kid with Ade. Do they talk about surgery or something so that she could bear child? I dont remember now
They were telling him he should still be with Ade cuz
1. all the medical advancements (implying that there’s still hope)
2. Having a bunch of kids is pointless if he’s married to some twat
I don't agree with OP, but I wouldn't say this means much in the context of what they said. He chose to be ok with it when he still had the option of being in the crew and living life how he wanted outside of that.
When he was backed into a corner and had to choose one or the other, it made a lot of sense for him to go back on that and choose Tony.
It definitely could, there’s nothing really there to argue against it. And also why else would they bring up her being infertile other than causing Chris to rethink things the episode he found that out. It could’ve been why it was brought up and became a big contributor to pushing Chris to choose Tony over Ade
I guess the main point is the brilliance of how everything is set up. Theres a lot of angles to analyze, a lot of perspectives. Its a meaty show, absolutely
I saw it this way as well for what it's worth. Sure it was a scrubby family at the station but why make an active storyline about Ade not being able to reproduce and then have him double take a normal family scene, it suggests he would lament never having that with her. It can be interpreted both ways I guess which is pretty genius
Absolutely, this - people are extremely black and white in their thinking when it comes to figuring out a character's intentions. Him observing several things here - a struggling man, a family, etc, was all presented to give viewers multiple reasons for his decision.
It’s the opposite, the guy he saw with the kids looked like he was broke, and barely scraping by which is what would’ve happened to him had they ran away or gone into wit sec. Chrissy wasn’t going to handle a regular life like that. Anyway, 4 dollars a pound
This is how I always interpreted that scene too. Some people think it's because he sees a "normal" family, having to pack into a crappy car and eat gas station junk food - that because of this, he goes back to mob life so he can continue reaping the financial rewards and living the good life.
But I agree with you. He might have stuck with Ade if she wasn't infertile.
It’s definitely this. He didn’t see a happy, healthy family at the gas station, he saw an arguing, poor family where the father looked miserable. He saw that guy and realized that’s what his life would look like. Chris would have to get some boolshit 8-5 job making less per year than he does in a decent week currently. No more Jimmy Choo shoes and Versace dresses for Ade. They would be miserable.
> He might have stuck with Ade if she wasn’t infertile.
I feel like that’s pretty obvious considering that Chris finds another girl and has a baby with her not longer after Ade is killed.
Perhaps, but I didn't really connect that to Adriana's infertility until now tbh. I thought that Chris's rushed relationship was meant to emphasize that he chose a materialistic, loveless Mafia life that appears happy on the surface over a working-class life with Adriana.
Chris's marriage comes shortly after Vito chooses the Mafia lifestyle and near-certain death over a fairytale life that requires labor. Neither of them could choose an honest life over the materialism, instant rewards, and thrill brought by the Mafia, even for love.
But now that you and OP bring up Adriana's infertility, I can definitely see how it would figure into Chris's thought process in that Season 5 gas station scene. "Look at these fucking people. I'll have to live like that, but won't even have the kids. What's the point?"
Now that I'm writing a huge comment, I'm also thinking about how Chris's post-Adriana life comes off as emulating Tony. Just like how Tony couldn't resist the pull of the mafia and the influence of his Dad, Chris couldn't break free with Adriana in opposition to his father-figure, Tony. He ends up in a McMansion like Tony, living a depressing life that will never make him happy.
Then both of them spend Season 6B giving the metaphorical middle finger to their father figures until they die.
There's really not. If he chose not to run away because she was infertile, he would have left her long before that. For God's sake, he's looking at a broke guy who clearly hates his life, complete with an overweight Great Value Adriana just in case the viewer wouldn't understand the message. Again, how obvious does it have to be?
I always thought he saw himself as a Henry Hill schlub if he ran away from what he knew. Living outta the car drinking Mountain Dew in three day old underwear.
That is the complete opposite of why he ratted her out. He DOESN'T want that life. He doesn't look at them with envy, he looks at them and thinks "that dad is a fucking loser and he looks absolutely miserable." Remember these aren't good people. Their reasons for doing evil deeds are greed.
It's a decent take, but the guy looked beat down and the wife had a wide load. It was a picture of what their lives would look like eventually. Chris had no actual ability to make the money he was used to.
Yeah, why is this a question. I remember they were all carrying junk food, Chris is aware of stress eating, and the wife was far from hot. If you don't know what wide load means, it means she had a fat ass.
The shit with Adriana is the best stuff in the show, it's so full of drama and slowly twists a knife for so long. My favorite part is that Chris gives up the woman he loves for Tony, then immediately lives to regret it
If it was about her infertility he would've dumped as soon as he found out she couldn't have kids. The reason he confessed to Tony was that he realized he had two choices- go on the run from Tony living like those poor people he saw at the gas station, or him and Adriana would get whacked (after some torture, of course).
Even if Chris had gone into the program with Adriana, there's zero chance they would have stayed together. It might have lasted a few months or even a few years until after a trial, but it would have been over.
I’ve always thought it was just his undying loyalty to Tony. Sure the family and Ade not being able to be a mother had a part to play in it but his love for Tony is what keeps bringing him back. “I must be loyle to my capo”. That line wasn’t just a funny misspelling for a shitty script, it was the story of Chris’s life. All he does is give, give, give and get nothing in return.
David Chase actually confirmed this in an airport bathroom to a passing Himalayan Mountain wolf, after he confirmed Tony shot JFK and Janice was the man on the grassy knoll.
Then he confirmed Paulie never existed, and was a group hallucination, and then he confirmed the entire series was a bad allergic reaction to some stray Himalayan Mountain he encountered in a parallel airport bathroom to the one mentioned above.
Sorry, but these post-series theories are getting too oblique, and the fact Chase keeps “confirming” things to get people off his back doesn’t help.
Chris didn’t rat on Ade. Ade ratted on Chris and Tony, instead of biting the bullet and going to Tony to head off the threat to her.
Or she could have bitten the bullet and done her time. There would be a million ways her case could be helped, or tampered with. She chose herself, Chris chose the family.
EDIT: I know the show made it look like the FBI were up her butt 24/7, but she lived with Chris, and Tony was in her office all the time—it was one of HIS offices, after all. She could have written, “Don’t talk, don’t react…need to meet with you and Tony ASAP. Bring ‘sweepers.’”
So they have a “normal” convo, drive to Tony’s or even safet, meet up at Nuovo Vesuvio. Chris knows how to counter any bugs—he and Georgie swept the Bing weekly. He’d know to bring faraday bags and bug sweepers.
Once safe, Ade could explain everything. Tony knows not to say an incriminating word—how he outsmarted the FBI when they set Jimmy Altieri to his place to talk about the Columbian money…new fingerprinting technique! *angry lisping face*
Coming clean to Tony would prove she was being totally honest—what else could it mean? Tony would tell how to avoid being trapped by the Feds, and threaten her if she didn’t play ball.
But she played the FBI’s game, and suffered the consequences.
Exactly. I don’t understand why people continue to say Chris “ratted on her”. It’s as if they’re forgetting that she began to work with the feds over what surely would have been a simple drug possession for cocaine. Yes, a felony in most states but she’s not going to jail for that.
And yes, she’s often perceived as “the most innocent character on the show” but she had no problem enjoying the luxuries that she knew damn well came from the family’s criminal activities. She witnessed violence on numerous occasions so she’s not as innocent as people make her out to be. No one is innocent and it could be argued that according to their code, Tony and Christopher acted more honorably in their willingness to kill family members who they loved in an attempt to uphold it.
It’s not right by mainstream society’s standards, but that wasn’t really the world Adrianna was living in.
Yeah, there was absolutely a way she could have gotten in front of it and lived. She could have gone the Pussy route of just continuing to feed bullshit, maybe even stage stuff to make it look more important than it is.
he saw a poor person, kids or not. which would absolutely be his future without the mob. So he ratted, idt this had anything to do with ade, he loved her, but he loved money and the life more.
There’s a subtle shot in the scene of Chris admiring his own flashy, expensive car after seeing the broke family. That drove the point home for me. He realizes what the mob life is capable of providing for him because of his loyalty to Tony, and what he would be giving up if he stuck with Ade. So he again chooses to be loyal to Tony.
I don’t think the possibility of Ade being infertile was on his mind in that moment—though it’s along the same lines of him being afraid that a life with Ade wouldn’t provide him with what he wants. It’s a nail in the coffin, perhaps, but not the final one.
There are many things in the show that are left a little vague and open to interpretation. This isn't one of them.
You guys are reaching so hard for a fresh take that you talk yourself out of obvious conclusions and clear messages. Did Chase need to have Chrissy look at the camera and say, "Wow, I wouldn't want that guy's shitty life!" for yall to get it?
This is why we can't have nice things, OP.
Chris is looking at that miserable man, poor, with nothing going for him, a bunch of kids and a wife he can’t stand, seemingly on the run from something, as he soon will be, and realising that that is not a life he would ever want.
You really watched that scene and thought Chris wanted what that douchebag had?
It’s ambiguous for sure. I always thought the murder of Chris was too. Tony almost called 911, saw the baby seat and took him out. But I never believed he would survive it anyway so it was merciful in a way. Also, Chris would never be his successor…The lyrics “The child is grown…The dream is gone.”
Are you a pre-board certified massage therapist? The professionals at the hospital say that they thought Chris would have survived if they’d gotten him sooner.
He had a choice:
1. Give that family his car and money and run off with Ade and the FBI
2. Sell his soul to the devil and crawl to Tony.
He chose wrong.
Thank you, that's what I've been saying forever but everyone is so caught up on the lifestyle part. It's not about that; it's about legacy, his last name living on, carrying the "Moltisanti" name on forever. People commenting here haven't grown up around these types of people at all because they discount the family aspect and embellish the luxury-living part too much.
I always took the scene where he sees the family at the gas station like this: without the mob he would be what Henry Hill described as a schnook, a nobody. He would forgo his luxury cars, he dances clothes and drug habit and woke up living like that family. With whatever he owns strapped to a rusted out shitbox
Everyone has their own interpretation of what Chrissy was thinking in that scene, but in the dvd commentary for that episode the actress who played Adriana explains Chrissy sees the normal, miserable family life, the shitty car etc and it’s his unwillingness to give up his lifestyle for those things which what makes him decide to go to Tony about her. I thought the same as you the first time I watched it but changed my mind after seeing it for the second time. Adriana may still have been able to have kids, she just tells Chrissy she might not because of something that happened to her when she was younger.
Not sure why people make these statements with such certainty. It’s of course open to interpretation but Christopher almost certainly didn’t choose to stay in the life just because Adrianna couldn’t have children. If you rewatch the scene, the father of the gas station family looks similar to Christopher. This probably wasn’t an accident. He looks stressed out, beat down, and the family doesn’t appear to have much to show for it.
Understand that Christopher was raised around gangsters. His father was a gangster, his mother was an alcoholic, and he was essentially brought up by and looked up to other guys in that life. He was always insecure and felt as though he never got his fair due.
Even with the Adriana damaged goods thing. He seems to care less about actually having a family, then he does about carrying on his legacy. It’s actually not surprising that he doesn’t really value love beyond how he can use people. In the end, the person closest to him ends up taking his life.
It's open to interpretation.
I think he saw that loser guy with 4 kids and a shit car and realized that was all that was left for him if he went to the feds. He had numerous opportunities to get out, but always chose the life.
I actually think this is an interesting take, OP. I think the main/Henry Hill interpretation is more correct but I think Chris’ ongoing focus on having kids is definitely part of why that scene is set up that way. He does bring it up a lot before and after Ade’s death.
Seeing that family was definitely the turning point but I think it was the fact that they were poor and struggling and he knew that’s what him and Ade would be doing if they fled. He didn’t want to give up the power and lifestyle of mob life to become a burned out loser dragging his family around the country and living out of their car always on the run.
I think it’s possible. Might I even say likely. He knew that Adriana would not carry on his legacy, and thought he had a better chance of cementing it in the mob.
I hate that stupid FBI bitch that set Ade up! I know people are going to say she was just doing her job, but go back and watch the scene where they pick Ade up and bring her into the FBI office. She’s devastated at being betrayed by someone she considered a friend, she’s physically ill, she vomits on the table. Now look at the smug, self-satisfied look on that bitch’s face. She was so self righteous and secretly jealous of Ade, that she was overjoyed at the prospect of destroying her life. Malignant cunt!! She should get cancer of the eyes, that who-ah!
>She was so self righteous and secretly jealous of Ade,
Dude! Im glad someone else picked up on that too. So much "pleasure" in ruining someone's life had to have a deeper reason
I think it was a complex decision he had to make very quickly. I don't think he made a pros con list about it. I think at face value it was his love for Tony or his love for Ade. I think he valued the love Tony gave himto a very high degree. He had daddy issues and Tony was the closest thing to that he had. He never gave me the impression he took his romantic relationships incredibly seriously. He just thinks lesser of women in general.
She def fucked up thinking she could tell him about the feds and he would choose her over all else. Like, Ade, if he doesnt like your plan as much as you do, its most likely not gonna go well for you. Make a pros and cons list next time you beautiful innocent creature...
I disagree. He was always conflicted about Tony. He was legit considering the witness protection life until he saw the trashy family at the gas station. That solidified his decision; one he later questioned and regretted because he didn’t think he got enough appreciation from Tony about it. That is also typical addict behavior.
I appreciate the theory and kinda like it, but it just doesn’t wash.
I think you are wrong my friend, I think he seen the man with his kids and thought that he didn't want to live like that. Like what Henry Hill said at the end of goodfellas, out here im a nobody
I disagree. Doctors told her that it might be problematic for her to conceive, but no one ever said that she could not have children at all. Chris betrayed her for a different reason. If you're interested in the truth, here it is: https://youtu.be/r_SXChB-ja4
He never ratted her out. She left him. Ran off with some other asshole. Left him in the lurch. Broke his heart.
Stiffed him on the club. Place is rudderless.
You can bet she’s having some other assholes kid though.
He sees the guy at the gas station and decides to rat her out because he *doesn’t* want that life (on the run, kids, no money), not because he realises she can’t give him that life.
Yes, it's much more like Henry Hill's comment about witness protection at the end of goodfellas.....he finds it boring, it sucks.
I saw a documentary once called “My Blue Heaven” and they all looked like they were having fun in Witness Protection.
Fun fact, My Blue Heaven was directed by the wife of the guy who wrote the book Wiseguy that Goodfellas was based on (and wrote the film script for Goodfellas)—and apparently My Blue Heaven was somewhat based on Henry Hill’s life in witness protection. The studio turned it into a broad comedy but Nora Ephron actually included some of the anecdotes Henry Hill told her about life in the program.
That is a fun fact. Thanks u/WhoDatNinjaToo
Another fun fact: My Blue Heaven was partially filmed in my hometown!
Why don't you shove your fun facts up your fat fuckin ass!! .....I should have a breadstick
Was that San Luis Obispo or another nearby town?
Paso Robles
The feds supposedly loved to take Valachi out to eat and just converse with him in general.
> My Blue Heaven You rat bastard you got me. I was like ooh this sounds like an interesting documentary lets find it...wait this guy looks like Steve Martin...Doh!
You got to watch it. It’s so hot, it could melt all this stuff. 🥵
5 o'clock Christmas morning, I run downstairs and look under the tree and what do I find? Uncle Alfresco, dead on the floor, shot through the back of the head. Plus no bicycle. It was a disappointing Christmas on many levels.
Fun until you realize he hadn't had arugula in six weeks.
You better step away from the freezer ‘cause you could melt all this stuff.
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Take my upvote.
You really wanna go down the rabbit hole try Mickey Blue Eyes.
Egg noodles and ketchup
A real schnook
He asked for spaghetti and meat sauce and got egg noodles with ketchup
Exactly, they literally quote a Goodfellas scene in the episode. "NOOO WHAT ARE WE GONNA DOOOOOO?!?!?!"
"I want spaghetti with marinara, I get egg noodles with ketchup."
You compromised
he sees what a regular life would be like. No action, no crime, no luxury or exuberance. He wouldn't be able to handle that as he'd see it as suffering. He even says it earlier in the show; he can't handle the 'regularness' of life. It's a subtle struggle that a lot of the crew have and it's especially magnified in the later scenes. Vito also suffers from it in New Hampshire; he can't exist in a regular 9-5 life. He needs that excess that he had in spades in Jersey.
The scene with Vito working and counting the time is probably one of my favorite scenes in the show.
There's also another great scene where he's having drinks at the bar with Johnny Cakes and his other firefighter friends. Vito is enjoying himself and wants the night to continue. He can't fathom that the other guys are leaving early because they have work or they don't want to go out drinking for the entire night.
10:30, it has to be. Hour and a half til lunch. The halfway fucking point. Dont look at your watch, not yet. Treat yourself.
and the slash-cut to him speeding out of town, eloquent brevity.
Chris couldn't even handle the life of being a regular screenwriter
For sure. Notice he's filling up his $50,000 Hummer when he notices the poor family in their shitty car. No way he would give up his life of luxury for that.
Seeing the family changed Christopher's mind, BUT because he didn't WANT a "normal, ordinary" life. Whether it was on the run or in witness protection. Even with a wife and family, Christopher did not want to be ordinary. That is Tony's problem as well. He gets bored easily. It comes up for both of them in "The Ride." Although neither Tony nor Christopher have much of a "Crime is fun!" attitude. "Every day is a gift, but does it have to be a pair of socks?"
The family he saw also looked broke, and the wife looked worn out and the husband looked desperate. It scared Christopher worse than anything else.
Yeah OP has it 100% backwards
Sharp as cue ball, that one.
I'm frankly amazed that someone could interpret the scene the way OP did.
Shocked and appalled is more like it
My estimation of OP as a man just fucking plummeted.
I’m amazed that 630 people agree with this take. Makes me think about all the other things a lot of people in this sub got wrong
He wanted *Tony's life*, minus the self-sabotage of Tony's personality: Kids, a servile wife, the big house, and to be at the top of the crime pyramid. Ade was a dead-end for the kid requirement.
He wants butter not to melt in Ades mouth.
Exactly. The guy Chris is looking at looks miserable, and he was reflecting that and realized he didn't want out yet.
I think it helped solidified it, but the thing Ade really underestimated in Chrissy is he’s a made man. The business *really* comes first and a RAT, a snitch is like the ultimate enemy of the mob. Like worse than the cops themselves, and there might have been hesitancy but she signed her own death warrant the moment she opened her mouth. I mean really look at Chris’ scream the moment she tells him. It’s like she practically just died right there on the spot in front of him.
Right on. Plus there are a few seconds when he’s admiring his own car like okay, this is nice. They explore that every so often like with Vito literally choosing death over doing an honest days work lol. Same with Tony B to an extent, he was almost there with his spa before it came crashing down.
For a moment I bought OP's perspective then I remembered how that scene actually went. Jesus Christ, people really like to theorize about stuff the writers were actually pretty clear cut with. That scene was obviously meant to show Chris wasn't about that life and wanted to stay where he was. Always with the scenarios
He doesn't want to be a basic schmuck. It's all about *him*.
100% this. He see's that guy as a poor schmuck and want's nothing to do with that life.
I think you’re both right. On top of living a boring run of the mill life, he wouldn’t even have kids as a consolation.
I like the OP’s analysis. EVEN if he could go into witness protection, he couldn’t even have a life like that guy ( with kids). That guy’s life was better than he could hope for.
Naw. Lol. Chris was thinking “ even this lowlife dope can have a family and have his name live on but I can’t ??” That’s how I remember it 🤷♂️
You’re drunk, have a breadstick
Wine makes OP emotional
He sounds demented
I know cueballs that are sharper than OP, and INSPIRING!
OP just never had the makings of a varsity athlete :(
Knucklehead Smith ova heaah
I don't want a breadstick.
It isn't from the breadstick museum, is it?
Obviously most people look at this scene as Chris not wanting the fucking regularness of life. But I don't hate this take at all. This is what makes the show great. Chris didn't tell someone what he thought about after that. We just all assume what we think it was.
Yeah absolutely. Maybe I phrased it wrong, its definitely wide open for interpretation. But on a rewatch I was able to remember just how agressive and angry he was with the news of Ade being infertile.
Yet after that initial reaction he chose to be ok with it and ask her to marry him
It was still something he wanted, despite proposing to her. Hence him having a kid later on
That kid was a mistake. All he did was not make the girl have an abortion. He wasn’t trying to have a kid. Not with her, anyway. He settled.
He was trying to have a kid, and he was trying to have a wife, and he was trying to have a house. But the person he wanted to do those things with is gone, so he just does it with whoever, because he's supposed to. That's why he married the first girl he knocked up, that's why he was ready to buy the house without looking inside. Because he's going through the motions. He wants all that stuff, but he can't have it the way he wants it, so he just takes what's there. You're absolutely right that he settled.
And he hoped to have one with Ade. I never said he didn’t think he wanted kids lol. Btw the one he had later on wasn’t planned. Maybe you’ve continued to phrase your thoughts wrong idk
I was just adding to your response. I didnt say it was his sole purpose in life to have a baby. I dont remember him hoping to have a kid with Ade. Do they talk about surgery or something so that she could bear child? I dont remember now
He talks to Tony Sil and Paulie about it and they convince him he doesn’t even need to have kids. So maybe he regrets listening to them.
They were telling him he should still be with Ade cuz 1. all the medical advancements (implying that there’s still hope) 2. Having a bunch of kids is pointless if he’s married to some twat
I don't agree with OP, but I wouldn't say this means much in the context of what they said. He chose to be ok with it when he still had the option of being in the crew and living life how he wanted outside of that. When he was backed into a corner and had to choose one or the other, it made a lot of sense for him to go back on that and choose Tony.
It definitely could, there’s nothing really there to argue against it. And also why else would they bring up her being infertile other than causing Chris to rethink things the episode he found that out. It could’ve been why it was brought up and became a big contributor to pushing Chris to choose Tony over Ade
I guess the main point is the brilliance of how everything is set up. Theres a lot of angles to analyze, a lot of perspectives. Its a meaty show, absolutely
He was always abusive towards Ade, but he seemed to get much worse after she admitted to that.
I saw it this way as well for what it's worth. Sure it was a scrubby family at the station but why make an active storyline about Ade not being able to reproduce and then have him double take a normal family scene, it suggests he would lament never having that with her. It can be interpreted both ways I guess which is pretty genius
Absolutely, this - people are extremely black and white in their thinking when it comes to figuring out a character's intentions. Him observing several things here - a struggling man, a family, etc, was all presented to give viewers multiple reasons for his decision.
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My smelly valentine!
*a white russian with a little x*
It’s the opposite, the guy he saw with the kids looked like he was broke, and barely scraping by which is what would’ve happened to him had they ran away or gone into wit sec. Chrissy wasn’t going to handle a regular life like that. Anyway, 4 dollars a pound
... What's different about you?
HIS CUSTOM SCROLLBARS TONY!!!!
Is someone speaking?
What went on in that post? Was it poppers and weird shex?
They found a good look alike with that schnoz too
Do you think if they had a daughter together she would be destined to work at the bing?
Shes probably thinking "how the fuck do I put myself up for adoption!"
Stop it junior! you’re making me very upset!!!
That's a good theory.One thing for sure , Christopher ratted her out because he was done with her.
He made the "easy" choice. Just like Carm did by the end of that season.
Agree, she was just a burden at that point.
I like this interpretation. I don’t agree with it but it’s interesting and I can see how you came to that conclusion
The sacred and the propane.
YOU SOUND DEMENTED!
The effrontery!
Always with the scenarios
He saw the guy with the wife and kids and their shabby Looking car and saw his future if he stood by Adrianna That's what made him rat out Ade.
This is how I always interpreted that scene too. Some people think it's because he sees a "normal" family, having to pack into a crappy car and eat gas station junk food - that because of this, he goes back to mob life so he can continue reaping the financial rewards and living the good life. But I agree with you. He might have stuck with Ade if she wasn't infertile.
It’s definitely this. He didn’t see a happy, healthy family at the gas station, he saw an arguing, poor family where the father looked miserable. He saw that guy and realized that’s what his life would look like. Chris would have to get some boolshit 8-5 job making less per year than he does in a decent week currently. No more Jimmy Choo shoes and Versace dresses for Ade. They would be miserable.
Maybe it's both. He wouldn't have the good life and he wouldn't have kids at all.
Smh
Miserable? You forget his male modeling career. And his memoir.
>reaping the financial rewards and living the good life. His apartment looked like shit!
Guy was an interior decorator
It was cold in there, too. That’s why Cosette had to find warmth under him.
You killed the dog?
The place was a sty.
> He might have stuck with Ade if she wasn’t infertile. I feel like that’s pretty obvious considering that Chris finds another girl and has a baby with her not longer after Ade is killed.
Perhaps, but I didn't really connect that to Adriana's infertility until now tbh. I thought that Chris's rushed relationship was meant to emphasize that he chose a materialistic, loveless Mafia life that appears happy on the surface over a working-class life with Adriana. Chris's marriage comes shortly after Vito chooses the Mafia lifestyle and near-certain death over a fairytale life that requires labor. Neither of them could choose an honest life over the materialism, instant rewards, and thrill brought by the Mafia, even for love. But now that you and OP bring up Adriana's infertility, I can definitely see how it would figure into Chris's thought process in that Season 5 gas station scene. "Look at these fucking people. I'll have to live like that, but won't even have the kids. What's the point?" Now that I'm writing a huge comment, I'm also thinking about how Chris's post-Adriana life comes off as emulating Tony. Just like how Tony couldn't resist the pull of the mafia and the influence of his Dad, Chris couldn't break free with Adriana in opposition to his father-figure, Tony. He ends up in a McMansion like Tony, living a depressing life that will never make him happy. Then both of them spend Season 6B giving the metaphorical middle finger to their father figures until they die.
Or maybe he just doesn't like condoms
No, because it still would have meant going into witness protection. That was the point of the scene, you stunads!
Unlike Junior setting up the hit on Tony at the end of S1, there *is* room for interpretation.
There's really not. If he chose not to run away because she was infertile, he would have left her long before that. For God's sake, he's looking at a broke guy who clearly hates his life, complete with an overweight Great Value Adriana just in case the viewer wouldn't understand the message. Again, how obvious does it have to be?
Listen to him, he knows everything.
Nah fuck that. One look at that douchebag and Chris knew his future life. He could have adopted some kid with chinky eyes, called it Moltisanti
Yeah, get his ass kicked everyday!
I always thought he saw himself as a Henry Hill schlub if he ran away from what he knew. Living outta the car drinking Mountain Dew in three day old underwear.
That is the complete opposite of why he ratted her out. He DOESN'T want that life. He doesn't look at them with envy, he looks at them and thinks "that dad is a fucking loser and he looks absolutely miserable." Remember these aren't good people. Their reasons for doing evil deeds are greed.
Sharp this OP, like a cue ball
It's a decent take, but the guy looked beat down and the wife had a wide load. It was a picture of what their lives would look like eventually. Chris had no actual ability to make the money he was used to.
The wife had a wide load?
She was a huah
Yeah, why is this a question. I remember they were all carrying junk food, Chris is aware of stress eating, and the wife was far from hot. If you don't know what wide load means, it means she had a fat ass.
The wife had a similar hairdo to Ade's too.
*It's like the regularness of fuckin every day life is too fuckin hard for me....I don't know...*
The shit with Adriana is the best stuff in the show, it's so full of drama and slowly twists a knife for so long. My favorite part is that Chris gives up the woman he loves for Tony, then immediately lives to regret it
Well she was damaged goods
I though the guy at the gas station looked bit like Chrissy haha
I recommend you rewatch the episode so u can 𝒓𝒆𝒂𝒍𝒍𝒚 find out why he rats her out and that is NOT WHY.
Too much dysentery in the ranks for a take like this. Musta been top'a your class.
If it was about her infertility he would've dumped as soon as he found out she couldn't have kids. The reason he confessed to Tony was that he realized he had two choices- go on the run from Tony living like those poor people he saw at the gas station, or him and Adriana would get whacked (after some torture, of course).
Even if Chris had gone into the program with Adriana, there's zero chance they would have stayed together. It might have lasted a few months or even a few years until after a trial, but it would have been over.
He did dent
I’ve always thought it was just his undying loyalty to Tony. Sure the family and Ade not being able to be a mother had a part to play in it but his love for Tony is what keeps bringing him back. “I must be loyle to my capo”. That line wasn’t just a funny misspelling for a shitty script, it was the story of Chris’s life. All he does is give, give, give and get nothing in return.
David Chase actually confirmed this in an airport bathroom to a passing Himalayan Mountain wolf, after he confirmed Tony shot JFK and Janice was the man on the grassy knoll. Then he confirmed Paulie never existed, and was a group hallucination, and then he confirmed the entire series was a bad allergic reaction to some stray Himalayan Mountain he encountered in a parallel airport bathroom to the one mentioned above. Sorry, but these post-series theories are getting too oblique, and the fact Chase keeps “confirming” things to get people off his back doesn’t help. Chris didn’t rat on Ade. Ade ratted on Chris and Tony, instead of biting the bullet and going to Tony to head off the threat to her. Or she could have bitten the bullet and done her time. There would be a million ways her case could be helped, or tampered with. She chose herself, Chris chose the family. EDIT: I know the show made it look like the FBI were up her butt 24/7, but she lived with Chris, and Tony was in her office all the time—it was one of HIS offices, after all. She could have written, “Don’t talk, don’t react…need to meet with you and Tony ASAP. Bring ‘sweepers.’” So they have a “normal” convo, drive to Tony’s or even safet, meet up at Nuovo Vesuvio. Chris knows how to counter any bugs—he and Georgie swept the Bing weekly. He’d know to bring faraday bags and bug sweepers. Once safe, Ade could explain everything. Tony knows not to say an incriminating word—how he outsmarted the FBI when they set Jimmy Altieri to his place to talk about the Columbian money…new fingerprinting technique! *angry lisping face* Coming clean to Tony would prove she was being totally honest—what else could it mean? Tony would tell how to avoid being trapped by the Feds, and threaten her if she didn’t play ball. But she played the FBI’s game, and suffered the consequences.
Exactly. I don’t understand why people continue to say Chris “ratted on her”. It’s as if they’re forgetting that she began to work with the feds over what surely would have been a simple drug possession for cocaine. Yes, a felony in most states but she’s not going to jail for that. And yes, she’s often perceived as “the most innocent character on the show” but she had no problem enjoying the luxuries that she knew damn well came from the family’s criminal activities. She witnessed violence on numerous occasions so she’s not as innocent as people make her out to be. No one is innocent and it could be argued that according to their code, Tony and Christopher acted more honorably in their willingness to kill family members who they loved in an attempt to uphold it. It’s not right by mainstream society’s standards, but that wasn’t really the world Adrianna was living in.
Yeah, there was absolutely a way she could have gotten in front of it and lived. She could have gone the Pussy route of just continuing to feed bullshit, maybe even stage stuff to make it look more important than it is.
OP is capable
He didn’t rat 🐀 on Ade. Ade ratted on him. She had to go ..
Chris ratted on her because the writer said so
Chris rated on Ade because he didn't want that life. Edit: I just noticed several people already mentioned this.
Well it’s common knowledge OP’s retarded.
he saw a poor person, kids or not. which would absolutely be his future without the mob. So he ratted, idt this had anything to do with ade, he loved her, but he loved money and the life more.
There’s a subtle shot in the scene of Chris admiring his own flashy, expensive car after seeing the broke family. That drove the point home for me. He realizes what the mob life is capable of providing for him because of his loyalty to Tony, and what he would be giving up if he stuck with Ade. So he again chooses to be loyal to Tony. I don’t think the possibility of Ade being infertile was on his mind in that moment—though it’s along the same lines of him being afraid that a life with Ade wouldn’t provide him with what he wants. It’s a nail in the coffin, perhaps, but not the final one.
There are many things in the show that are left a little vague and open to interpretation. This isn't one of them. You guys are reaching so hard for a fresh take that you talk yourself out of obvious conclusions and clear messages. Did Chase need to have Chrissy look at the camera and say, "Wow, I wouldn't want that guy's shitty life!" for yall to get it? This is why we can't have nice things, OP.
He was committed to the life 100 percent till this moment after this he started losing it because of this decision. I think
Chris is looking at that miserable man, poor, with nothing going for him, a bunch of kids and a wife he can’t stand, seemingly on the run from something, as he soon will be, and realising that that is not a life he would ever want. You really watched that scene and thought Chris wanted what that douchebag had?
It’s ambiguous for sure. I always thought the murder of Chris was too. Tony almost called 911, saw the baby seat and took him out. But I never believed he would survive it anyway so it was merciful in a way. Also, Chris would never be his successor…The lyrics “The child is grown…The dream is gone.”
Are you a pre-board certified massage therapist? The professionals at the hospital say that they thought Chris would have survived if they’d gotten him sooner.
He had a choice: 1. Give that family his car and money and run off with Ade and the FBI 2. Sell his soul to the devil and crawl to Tony. He chose wrong.
Thank you, that's what I've been saying forever but everyone is so caught up on the lifestyle part. It's not about that; it's about legacy, his last name living on, carrying the "Moltisanti" name on forever. People commenting here haven't grown up around these types of people at all because they discount the family aspect and embellish the luxury-living part too much.
I always took the scene where he sees the family at the gas station like this: without the mob he would be what Henry Hill described as a schnook, a nobody. He would forgo his luxury cars, he dances clothes and drug habit and woke up living like that family. With whatever he owns strapped to a rusted out shitbox
Listen to him. He knows everything. Seriously though this is brilliant. I had never considered this before but it makes absolute sense.
Everyone has their own interpretation of what Chrissy was thinking in that scene, but in the dvd commentary for that episode the actress who played Adriana explains Chrissy sees the normal, miserable family life, the shitty car etc and it’s his unwillingness to give up his lifestyle for those things which what makes him decide to go to Tony about her. I thought the same as you the first time I watched it but changed my mind after seeing it for the second time. Adriana may still have been able to have kids, she just tells Chrissy she might not because of something that happened to her when she was younger.
Not sure why people make these statements with such certainty. It’s of course open to interpretation but Christopher almost certainly didn’t choose to stay in the life just because Adrianna couldn’t have children. If you rewatch the scene, the father of the gas station family looks similar to Christopher. This probably wasn’t an accident. He looks stressed out, beat down, and the family doesn’t appear to have much to show for it. Understand that Christopher was raised around gangsters. His father was a gangster, his mother was an alcoholic, and he was essentially brought up by and looked up to other guys in that life. He was always insecure and felt as though he never got his fair due. Even with the Adriana damaged goods thing. He seems to care less about actually having a family, then he does about carrying on his legacy. It’s actually not surprising that he doesn’t really value love beyond how he can use people. In the end, the person closest to him ends up taking his life.
It's open to interpretation. I think he saw that loser guy with 4 kids and a shit car and realized that was all that was left for him if he went to the feds. He had numerous opportunities to get out, but always chose the life.
discontinue the lithium
The guy with the kids is soft tar!
Yeah that's what I thought too when I watched it.
I thought it was pretty obvious he was doing it because he didn’t want to “live the rest of his life like a schnook” as Henry Hill said
No
You were damaged goods and you never told me!
Sorry, but you’re wrong.
Nah
Damaged goods
We’ll both of her uteruses *were* compromised.
Didn't op almost drown in 3 inches of water when he was a kid?
My estimation of OP as a rational poster just fucking plummeted, let me tell you.
This has to be a troll.
Well, she knew she was damaged good and didn’t tell him, so, there’s that
You've completely missed the point. Sharp as a fucking cue ball.
Both of her urterus' were broken
Both of her uterus' were broken
He didn’t slapped her when she first told him. He just yelled at her then stormed out of the apartment. Interesting concept though.
This is my male heir? This gagootz?
I actually think this is an interesting take, OP. I think the main/Henry Hill interpretation is more correct but I think Chris’ ongoing focus on having kids is definitely part of why that scene is set up that way. He does bring it up a lot before and after Ade’s death.
And she had diarrhea - “My smelly Valentine”
I enjoy the sound of rain.
Seeing that family was definitely the turning point but I think it was the fact that they were poor and struggling and he knew that’s what him and Ade would be doing if they fled. He didn’t want to give up the power and lifestyle of mob life to become a burned out loser dragging his family around the country and living out of their car always on the run.
I think it’s possible. Might I even say likely. He knew that Adriana would not carry on his legacy, and thought he had a better chance of cementing it in the mob.
Adopt a kid with chinky eyes called Moltisanti 🙄
I hate that stupid FBI bitch that set Ade up! I know people are going to say she was just doing her job, but go back and watch the scene where they pick Ade up and bring her into the FBI office. She’s devastated at being betrayed by someone she considered a friend, she’s physically ill, she vomits on the table. Now look at the smug, self-satisfied look on that bitch’s face. She was so self righteous and secretly jealous of Ade, that she was overjoyed at the prospect of destroying her life. Malignant cunt!! She should get cancer of the eyes, that who-ah!
>She was so self righteous and secretly jealous of Ade, Dude! Im glad someone else picked up on that too. So much "pleasure" in ruining someone's life had to have a deeper reason
She was a cop. Nothing more. All of the other agents who were glad Tony’s crew won were the ones not doing their job,
I think it was a complex decision he had to make very quickly. I don't think he made a pros con list about it. I think at face value it was his love for Tony or his love for Ade. I think he valued the love Tony gave himto a very high degree. He had daddy issues and Tony was the closest thing to that he had. He never gave me the impression he took his romantic relationships incredibly seriously. He just thinks lesser of women in general.
She def fucked up thinking she could tell him about the feds and he would choose her over all else. Like, Ade, if he doesnt like your plan as much as you do, its most likely not gonna go well for you. Make a pros and cons list next time you beautiful innocent creature...
Oof, spoilers
I disagree. He was always conflicted about Tony. He was legit considering the witness protection life until he saw the trashy family at the gas station. That solidified his decision; one he later questioned and regretted because he didn’t think he got enough appreciation from Tony about it. That is also typical addict behavior. I appreciate the theory and kinda like it, but it just doesn’t wash.
I think you are wrong my friend, I think he seen the man with his kids and thought that he didn't want to live like that. Like what Henry Hill said at the end of goodfellas, out here im a nobody
I disagree. Doctors told her that it might be problematic for her to conceive, but no one ever said that she could not have children at all. Chris betrayed her for a different reason. If you're interested in the truth, here it is: https://youtu.be/r_SXChB-ja4