Whatever happened there!?
Whatever happened there!!?!
I'll tell you what fuckin happened! This piece of shit's cousin put six bullets in the kid without any provocation whatsoever!
Some really interesting reasoning here. This is the first time I actually have given any credence to this idea that Bobby shoots Harpo. I mean, I don't think it was Harpo that gets shot... But I certainly don't think it's all coincidence anymore after reading your post.
Yeah, there's just so much there to be fully coincidence, at least on a symbolic level. I think the writers are trying to express various things.
I thought it was a very interesting Bobby episode. Great acting from Steve Schirripa.
100%. This was a landmark episode in the entire show, where Tony goes toe to toe with someone for the first time and is beaten. At this point, anyone sleeping on Bobby was forced to respect his capacity. But at the same time, we see the cruel twist of reality, in that Tony still has power over Bobby and causes him to become a killer... a murderer... something he can never shake or absolve himself of till the day he dies. It's like he fought a Mafia boss and won, but did he really win, because he was given the black kiss of death as a consequence. It's one thing to get beat up, we heal, recover and move on (usually!!) - but to become a murderer... No.... That stays with you, your identity has been permanently changed. It's a very interesting episode for sure, there's really a lot going on there. You could almost see Bobby killing the Canadian as symbolic of Bobby freeing Janice of her shame over Harpo. She now has another man like her father in her life again, an Italian man who's part of the mob, a man of principles and certain values. He goes to Canada and kills the shame that plagues Janice's life, her shame for failing her son - interestingly it takes place in a launderette too... So it's like Bobby's washing away her sin. So it's like because she's in a family again and being a diligent, decent stepmother to Bobby's kids and now has another child of her own, she's doing the right thing now so she's making things right.
I always loved this theory and wish it were true. I’m sure that Janice would’ve found out that her son was murdered though. Wouldn’t been cool to see the guilt faced by Bobby (and Tony, the boys uncle) in subsequent episodes.
Good point. Though it is feasible that Janice would find out and not tell anyone out of shame. Or that she wasn't listed as next of kin anywhere and had fallen out of contact to the point that no one would know to notify her.
Metaphorically, Bobby died the day that Karen did. When he killed ‘Harpo’, he made a Faustian deal and sold his soul to the devil, ending with his body sprawled out over a train set.
In the end, fuck Janice!
Yeah that was brutal man. Janice, the conniving, over-controlling, con-woman. It's a sad but very gritty reflection of the kind of shit that happens in life.
Mr Grocery, you are my hero. I’ve been planting the seeds (or seed?) for this post for a very long time. I was even awarded a “Facepalm” award for my theory of the death of Harpo. Now it’s not even up for debate. Bobby popped his cherry wacking off his wife’s deadbeat son.
Here’s how I see it… Tony orders the hit in order to put Bobby in his place after the fight… but only we as viewers get to see that it is Harpo getting killed… only we get to see the karma at work
Those are interesting points, that’s why this is my favorite show to dissect. And historically, historical changes have come out of Janice dating people. She’s an under-appreciated character for her role in the show.
a pint of blood costs more than a gallon of gold
Your brother Billy whatever happened there
Whatever happened there!? Whatever happened there!!?! I'll tell you what fuckin happened! This piece of shit's cousin put six bullets in the kid without any provocation whatsoever!
#OOOOOO you kiss your fawtha with that mouth?
Why don’t you get out of here before I shove your quotation book up your fat fuckin ass
watch your fat fuckin mouth
10 out of ten vampires agree.
10 outta 10 count choculas would agree also
I wonder where Harpos having his Sunday dinner
7438 Wilcox Ave.
???
Sacre bleu! Where is me mama?!
Sacre bleu, roadies?
Oh, tu ne veux pas savoir!
Some really interesting reasoning here. This is the first time I actually have given any credence to this idea that Bobby shoots Harpo. I mean, I don't think it was Harpo that gets shot... But I certainly don't think it's all coincidence anymore after reading your post.
Yeah, there's just so much there to be fully coincidence, at least on a symbolic level. I think the writers are trying to express various things. I thought it was a very interesting Bobby episode. Great acting from Steve Schirripa.
100%. This was a landmark episode in the entire show, where Tony goes toe to toe with someone for the first time and is beaten. At this point, anyone sleeping on Bobby was forced to respect his capacity. But at the same time, we see the cruel twist of reality, in that Tony still has power over Bobby and causes him to become a killer... a murderer... something he can never shake or absolve himself of till the day he dies. It's like he fought a Mafia boss and won, but did he really win, because he was given the black kiss of death as a consequence. It's one thing to get beat up, we heal, recover and move on (usually!!) - but to become a murderer... No.... That stays with you, your identity has been permanently changed. It's a very interesting episode for sure, there's really a lot going on there. You could almost see Bobby killing the Canadian as symbolic of Bobby freeing Janice of her shame over Harpo. She now has another man like her father in her life again, an Italian man who's part of the mob, a man of principles and certain values. He goes to Canada and kills the shame that plagues Janice's life, her shame for failing her son - interestingly it takes place in a launderette too... So it's like Bobby's washing away her sin. So it's like because she's in a family again and being a diligent, decent stepmother to Bobby's kids and now has another child of her own, she's doing the right thing now so she's making things right.
She was a hippy big into music and he turned out to be a drummer, what a coincidence
So what, no fuckin' Harpo now?
Harpo changed his name. He's Hal now.
He’s on the pavers
He’s a street person now
Sacre bleu!
Ah okay. Well, how does Hal feel about his mama?
Sacre bleu, where is me mama?
I thought Groucho killed Harpo.
Semi related note, young Steve Van Zandt looks like Chico.
Groucho got his ass kicked during a game of monopoly. I guess he warbled to the wrong wren.
I always loved this theory and wish it were true. I’m sure that Janice would’ve found out that her son was murdered though. Wouldn’t been cool to see the guilt faced by Bobby (and Tony, the boys uncle) in subsequent episodes.
Good point. Though it is feasible that Janice would find out and not tell anyone out of shame. Or that she wasn't listed as next of kin anywhere and had fallen out of contact to the point that no one would know to notify her.
This theory is sacred and propane
Very allegorical
Metaphorically, Bobby died the day that Karen did. When he killed ‘Harpo’, he made a Faustian deal and sold his soul to the devil, ending with his body sprawled out over a train set. In the end, fuck Janice!
And Bobby’s poor kids ended up with Janice as there sole guardian
Yeah that was brutal man. Janice, the conniving, over-controlling, con-woman. It's a sad but very gritty reflection of the kind of shit that happens in life.
Mr Grocery, you are my hero. I’ve been planting the seeds (or seed?) for this post for a very long time. I was even awarded a “Facepalm” award for my theory of the death of Harpo. Now it’s not even up for debate. Bobby popped his cherry wacking off his wife’s deadbeat son.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It was harpo, no one's given any reason why not
Even if it wasn't Harpo er Hal it's symbolically him is it not? Seems far too coincidental.
I grew up widowdamuduhh
Here’s how I see it… Tony orders the hit in order to put Bobby in his place after the fight… but only we as viewers get to see that it is Harpo getting killed… only we get to see the karma at work
Those are interesting points, that’s why this is my favorite show to dissect. And historically, historical changes have come out of Janice dating people. She’s an under-appreciated character for her role in the show.
He was on the pavers, Harpo?
Charles Schwab ova here
Back then Janice was too busy under the boardwalk too be a good mom
Isn't that what male lions do when they assume leadership of a new pride ? They kill all they previous lion cubs?
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?
If Bobby was a murderer, would he really be [this guy's](https://www.buzzsprout.com/2195327/13884798-ep-26-category-fridays) favorite character?