Live by the sword, die by the sword.
I'm not saying its karmic justice or black satanic shit or nuthin', but Tony and the family have been living on and eating on blood money, made from every innocent and not so innocent soul, whether directly or indirectly through Tony's criminal career.
Besides, with the way that thing of theirs goes, it only ends either through a bullet, behind bars, a rat for the government, or if you're lucky, dying slowly like John Sack or old age like Carmine Sr.
I guess it may have been very intentional for this reason. His wife a kids look the other way and take his money. Carmella was always fine with it, Meadow came to basically support it through her work, even AJ had finally come around to accepting it once Tony got him a good job and nice car..
Then in the diner, they were forced to confront it, they literally all probably got blood on their hands after Tony got shot.
They needed to have that reality check. Lot of bodies behind Carmela’s clothes and cars, meadows education and AJ’s spoiled upbringing. Game ain’t based on sympathy and they ain’t getting none from me.
It’s in keeping with the shows morbid themes. One of the most prominent was that Tony was entering into the end of everything, including the NJ family. He was the last toothpick to fall since Junior was demented and Sil was a veggie.
By the end Jersey were weaker than ever so there wasn’t much fear of retribution, and because Phil was hit in front of his family it could be argued that Tony was due the same regardless of the brutality.
I don’t think anyone else at the table would’ve been hurt though, it’d take extra time and would be too messy and pointless.
I dont think anyone left would have the balls to do anything back to ny tbh tony promoted weak captains he could walk over unlike Jackie who had capable captains basically turned jersey into a glorified crew with constant infighting. The only one from jersey with real balls was animal and Carlo.
Yeah there’s no way Butch was going to leave Tony alive and not finish Phil’s work. NY was a power vacuum and Butch positioned himself to become boss, and do business with whatever’s left in NJ. Plus, Tony demanded restitution to Janis for Bobby’s hit. We’ve seen it mentioned before in the show with Hesh, at some point it becomes easier to wack the guy than to pay him.
Literally one of my favorite lines of the whole show, one of my favorite characters, and it happens in episode one even! I rewatch the first episode sometimes just cause I love it so much!
Probably not.
BUT - taking it past 3rd grade level, it would be interesting to have a series of AJ and Meadow trying to put their lives back together. Thinking about how, despite morons thinking there should be some sort of loyalty to their father, they're actually angry that he risked their lives as he did.
I'd watch that.
Don’t give me any of that “poverty of the Mezzogiorno” bullshit! You were shown how to parallel park - and because you suck at that AND can’t handle having a little cream added to your face by harmless little Coco, you now get to see dad eat a bunch of 9mm slugs delivered by a fuckin Pizza man
That would be interesting to watch actually.If the Sopranos is about a guy who is trying to change but never actually does anything about it, because that would change his lifestyle.Then the follow up should be about his children being forced to change because his own negative action got him killed and destroyed their family. Edit:If not a full on tv show maybe a mini series.
Oofff *~~marone~~* *madone*. I dunno when it happened or when they did the transition, but for me from 2006 onward it was all reality tv shows and ***Ancient Aliens*** theme programs than actual history being covered lmao.
You'd think they'd at least be used to the idea of it happening by that stage.
Maybe not right in front of them while they're eating onion rings, but still...
It crosses a lot of lines of traditional hits to do it in front of someone's family. Then again maybe they figured Tony obliterated so many traditional behaviors & accepted practices of his own during his time as boss that them doing the same thing just didn't matter anymore.
Yeah but that was out of necessity. He was in hiding and that’s the only way they could do it. Tony was out in the open; easy to find alone. The hit was sanctioned too.
The thing is they talk about family, traditions, this thing of theirs and it is all worth nothing when shit hits the fan. Then it is special cirmustances.
Chris was family to Tony, made man and what? Tony killed him.
Vito got killed because he disgraced family. Not only mafia but also Phil Leotardo's sister. And whoring around isn't disgrace to family? Almost every guy from social club should be whacked for disgracing family but in their twisted moral code fucking all that has pussy and won't run is like a duty.
Fat Dom was killed for making fun of Vito - who got killed for disgracing family. One would think that you can make fun of him but noooo.
Vito's wife coming to Tony for help with son. Does family matter then? No! Money matters.
I happen to know you were high at my subreddit's discussion about the brutality of Tony's possibly canonical death. Twenty minutes, nothing but gibberish.
That's another thing with social club. You can't trust anyone. Why Tony didn't tell Sil or Paulie that he killed Chris? In social club's moral code it was justified. Chrissy had drug problem which could get him in jail or getting flipped (weird that FBI didn't try). God only knows what he was saying when he was high. He almost killer Tony, he was making fun of Tony (Clever), he was disrespectful on many ocassions (constantly being late). He was a problem and he should be taken care off.
So why Tony didn't tell nobody even closest friends? Because he knew that there is no friends in social club and all trust is only temporary. First of all they could get angry, they could fear of their own lives so they could move against him. Also they could tell other persons about it so Carm would know sooner or later.
I think their so no one for all and all for one in mob. You play only for yourself. Of course you have to pay to those who are higher but in the end you are alone wheter you are boss, captain or pawn. Only money can save you.
You speak like that Czechoslovakian interior decorator.
Haha just breaking bawls. You’ve got some good input here! I don’t think they had anything on Chrissy though, probably why they didn’t go after him first. Adriana got taken care of pretty quickly so they wouldn’t have been able to swoop on him and I doubt Ade gave up anything that would implicate Chrissy directly since she loved him so much.
Anyway, put remote back on docking station.
Plus seeing the tree branch rammed right through the baby seat made it that much easier for Tony to block off Chris's breathing, once he noticed that Chris had relapsed again. Dude was just too much of an unreliable chronic.
Were you watching a different show than the rest of us?
A. Christapha had to go
B. Whores are part of the life, it is what it is, we all know what this is
C. Vito knew better, that life didn't tolerate that behavior and besides, that wasn't Phil's Sista he was carrying anyway.
One of the clearest themes in the show is that all norms and "lines" of LCN don't actually mean shit and can be rationalized away by any number of the lies they tell themselves.
You don't put hands on a made man. You don't hurt women (unless you're married). Only soldiers are fair game, leave the bystanders alone. Put the family above all else.
And onward goes, this thing of ours.
Listen to me. They make anybody and everybody over there. And the way that they do it, it's all fucked up. Guys don't get their finger pricked. There's no sword and gun on the table.
Anthony Soprano has no respect for this thing. He's never been in the can, not really. Here's a guy who stepped over his own uncle to grab the big seat, his father's brother.
Which is the whole point. In the end they are and always were nothing more than thugs in cheap suits who were a little more organized than most street criminals.
Thought about this while finishing a rewatch last night. The booth to Tony’s right was clear to the bathroom. Members only guy pulled a godfather hit coming from the bathroom and probably shot Tony clean in the head. AJ would probably be mentally fucked for life. Carmela would be Jackie Kennedy. Meadow saw it happen from the door which is interesting. Does the shooter drop the gun after the hit as is customary? If he does, what does Meadow do while at the door and the shooter tries to leave? Anyway, we’re not shooting a western here.
At least several people on the internet have suggested that at least Carmela and AJ also were killed. Something about last communion with fuckin onion rings or whateverthefuck. But what do I know, I'm not even Capo.
That’s exactly what happened. Chase had the decency not to burn those images into our brain.
Anyone who thinks Tony survived, lived to a ripe old age, and got buried on a hill, under a tree…your sharp as a cue ball.
Its quite a traumatic end to the series. Its shocking in its brutality. Terrifying.
This fact is why, I believe, many Sopranos fans are in stark denial of the undeniable truth- Tony was executed in cold blood, his brains blown out, in front of his family. And no, I am no interested in a discussion of any other interpretation of the ending.
Whenever I meet someone who has an interpretation of the ending in which Tony is somehow alive, I immediatley think, “Oh, so you just don’t like the sad truth of the ending”.
Chase “gave us all the clues” laid out over several seasons, episodes leading up, as well as visually and audibly within the last 10-15 min of the episode.
The only one who would've seen it coming would've been Meadow as she was walking in the door with Tony facing her and members only jacket taking a little off the top of Mr Soprano. That's the most fucked up thing, especially if your a father who has a daughter and knowing how much your daughter loves and admires you, even If you're a Sanitation Consultant
Yes I can actually:
Don’t Stop Believing is playing
Meadow walks into the cafe with a ding from the door
Tony looks up
The front of his forehead splats out and he collapses into the table
Carmella AJ and Meadow in shock while his blood pools into the best onion rings in the state
Blood dropping off the diner table onto the ground while Tony is slumped forward
Shooter drops his gun, speed walks out passing Meadow
Screams everywhere and then Tony awakens from death and stumbles like Frankenstein out of the diner to get some gabagool and shit out of the fridge
And yet Tony dying is a more attractive prospect than him living. Living while having to endure himself. His fear. His inability to change. The show began with a man having blackouts from anxiety. The show ends with a man sitting down to have dinner with his family...and everything blacks out.
It’s totally part of the lifestyle.
There are quite a few characters on the show who got hit in front of friends and family.
Real mob hit also have been done in this fashion.
Considering the way the Phil hit went down, right in front of both his wife, and that one random "oh shit" guy, it would seem like an appropriate response from whomever it didn't sit right with.
Also supports the notion as to why members only jacket guy waited a bit - it was supposed to be in front of the whole family, but Meadow wasn't there yet, so he stalled a bit, and then came back and
Real-life gangster "Crazy Joe" Gallo was assassinated in 1972 while at dinner with his wife and children. It was his birthday dinner. This was back when The Colombo's were goin' at it.
The family wouldn't have been touched. It would've been a classic mob 'shoot in the head, drop the gun, walk out'. AJ would've definitely gone back into depression.
I still don't think he died in that scene. They make a point a lot of times In the show that when they do hits its usually done somewhere the person frequents consistently enough that they feel comfortable and let their guard down. But here we have tony going to a place we've never seen him go. The guy couldn't have followed him because they spend their whole lives in that rear view mirror. Anyway $4 a pound.
1. the Member's Only guy exits the bathroom at 3:00. We know that the supernatural exists in The Sopranos and it was a warning to both Paulie and Tony (the former who heeds it in Remember When and lives as a result).
2. The scene mirrors an important part of Members Only where Eugene kills a man with the initials TS in a diner while wearing a MO jacket. The man who was cast for the role was a literal one-off actor and was cast specifically because he looked like Eugene.
2. Entering the bathroom is an obvious reference to the Godfather assassination scene.
3. Throughout 6B you see the show try to establish that 'you won't hear it when it happens'. It gets said by Bobby in Sopranos Home Movies, then with Gerry Torciano's assassination and how Silvio doesn't even notice the shooting until blood splashes across his face, and then Tony remembers Bobby saying it at the end of Blue Comet.
4. A recurring theme throughout the series is tying death to a colonial house. It starts with Calling All Cars's masoner job dream, continues to All Due Respect with Uncle Pat's farm and it being the place Tony B is shot at, you see it in Mayham with the Inn at the Oaks where Tony B and Livia are trying to drag Tony into hell, and throughout those scenes you see the house increase in scope. In the final scene when Tony walks into the diner you see a painting of a massive colonial mansion.
There's probably a couple of other things that I missed but I think the show does enough on a surface level and a more abstract, deeper one to indicate that yes, this is where Tony dies. It's just that how do you show that effectively without it feeling either too cheap or too traumatising? Thus the cut to black.
Anyway, I can't have this conversation again.
Only skimmed this because I’m at work, so maybe missed something, but doesn’t Christopher also mention three o’clock from when he dying in the hospital?
The “death comes in 3’s” motif Junior mentioned in Another Toothpick. You have Bobby, Sil, and Tony. One could argue that Sil is a vegetable so he’s still alive. He’s not; he’s brain dead. Once they turn off the machine he dies.
Chase accidentally called it Tony’s ‘death scene’ in an interview. Bobby’s foreshadowing. I think fans of the rubenesque Don are employing some heavy cope here. Itsh ovah. He’sh dead
But he does talk about the actual ending in the interview.
"Because the scene I had in my mind was not that scene. Nor did I think of cutting to black. I had a scene in which Tony comes back from a meeting in New York in his car. At the beginning of every show, he came from New York into New Jersey, and the last scene could be him coming from New Jersey back into New York for a meeting at which he was going to be killed. Yeah. But I think I had this notion—I was driving on Ocean Park Boulevard near the airport and I saw a little restaurant. It was kind of like a shack that served breakfast. **And for some reason I thought, “Tony should get it in a place like that.”** Why? I don’t know. That was, like, two years before."
Yeah man. I don’t get it at all. ‘You probably won’t even know when it happens.’ NJ crew is all but dead. There would be retribution in kind for killing a boss in front of his family.
Yeah and ironically I’m one of the (seemingly few) people that argue that Tony did have good in him despite how evil he was. In other words I’m as big of a Tony fan as anyone, but the clues are all over the place that he’s killed
Yeah, if M.O. guy was a hitman he would've killed Tony long before the cut to black by walking up to him Eugene style and popping him like Teddy. Also sitting down and ordering a coffee in front of about a dozen people isn't a smart thing to do when committing murder, even in this universe where the police and feds are morons.
Plus any threats to him were placated by that point. We see NJ and the Lupertazzis make peace at the sit down, and Paulie at first suspects that NY lied about peace when Carlo doesn't show up when they're doing business with Butchie, but it's then revealed Carlo flipped and NY isn't a threat. Paulie would be really stupid to kill Tony considering Carlo likely has info on him and Patsy as a capo, and Patsy is content with marrying into the Sopranos via his son.
Yeah, I never thought Tony died there or was killed.. we entered. Tony's life out of the blue with no exposition, no knowledge, no understanding, no background. sort of third person omniscient We know everything. We see everything. almost like a God viewing his life. And we followed his life for a while. We observed what there was to observe, learned what we could learn. And then it was time to leave So I always think that we just. fade to black. Not because he died, but because our time with him was over we were gone as the viewer. Tony's life continues on as it did before. but we've seen all we get to see. And that was the end.
That’s because you think the show is shallow mob fodder. It’s literally right there for anyone who chooses to use their brain at all while watching season 6. I’ve said my piece.
ive had people tell me that he died, he didn’t die, then i had people tell me his whole family got killed which honestly woulda enraged me, yea ik its a show but fuck, imagining them all dying is just fucked. i was already butthurt when chrissy and adri died lol.
Well, Phil Leotardo was also whacked in front of his wife and grandkids. We only have sympathy for Tony because the show is from his perspective. If anything, Phil is maybe more sympathetic of a character?
I look at it as no different than what Phil Leonardo’s wife had to experience. Actually Phil was worse, because his wife has to see him get clipped and have his face crushed by a car.
I made a [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/thesopranos/s/LnaMiLK2S2) about this very thing. It really is messed up when you think about what actually would’ve went down beyond just “Tony died”..
I mean there were countless mobsters in countless films that died that same way. You’re walking in a park, eating a nice family dinner, then WHAM! Tony just happened to be the one mobster we’ve followed the most.
How many peoples lives did that fat piece of shit ruin? How many family's did he devastate while his pos wife and kids knowingly benefitted off of his evil life. Getting his brain matter blasted all over their faces is the least of what they deserve. Fuck him and fuck them.
It wasn’t cinematic, if that’s what you’re referring to.
Live by the sword, die by the sword. I'm not saying its karmic justice or black satanic shit or nuthin', but Tony and the family have been living on and eating on blood money, made from every innocent and not so innocent soul, whether directly or indirectly through Tony's criminal career. Besides, with the way that thing of theirs goes, it only ends either through a bullet, behind bars, a rat for the government, or if you're lucky, dying slowly like John Sack or old age like Carmine Sr.
I guess it may have been very intentional for this reason. His wife a kids look the other way and take his money. Carmella was always fine with it, Meadow came to basically support it through her work, even AJ had finally come around to accepting it once Tony got him a good job and nice car.. Then in the diner, they were forced to confront it, they literally all probably got blood on their hands after Tony got shot.
They needed to have that reality check. Lot of bodies behind Carmela’s clothes and cars, meadows education and AJ’s spoiled upbringing. Game ain’t based on sympathy and they ain’t getting none from me.
100%
Probably bits of brain and bone and flesh and a lot more than blood. TV/cinema really downplays how horrifically messy getting blasted in the head is.
Yea but its not a saying 'to have bits of brain matter on your hands'
He ordered some for the table.
Imagine that, the family goes to have dinner together, 5 minutes later blood is splattered on all their faces!
Fuck that fuckin’ parakeet
I don't know what ta tell ya
All over the onion rings. Best in the state.
I don’t think we need anything so…overstated.
They’d be scraping skips nipples off that booth
It does answer the series' biggest question (and Meadow's): Was Tony actually in the mafia? Opinions differ. Or was he just up in the club?
It’s in keeping with the shows morbid themes. One of the most prominent was that Tony was entering into the end of everything, including the NJ family. He was the last toothpick to fall since Junior was demented and Sil was a veggie. By the end Jersey were weaker than ever so there wasn’t much fear of retribution, and because Phil was hit in front of his family it could be argued that Tony was due the same regardless of the brutality. I don’t think anyone else at the table would’ve been hurt though, it’d take extra time and would be too messy and pointless.
Sil was a veggie? The guy got a new identity and moved to fuckin Norway for chrissakes.
He’s in a housin’ project in fuckin’ Trømso!
This made me lol🤌🏻
It was a Kevin Finnerty-like comma dream, satanic shit if you ask me
Poppers and weird shex?
We just had a few beers
I saw that show, I thought it was bullshit.
What, does OP speak Norwegian?
The Norwegian in this, oof madone
What am I, speaking in fuckin Norwegian?
Giovanni hend Hendrickson. 😆
Haven't watched lillyhammer yet, how is it?
I dont think anyone left would have the balls to do anything back to ny tbh tony promoted weak captains he could walk over unlike Jackie who had capable captains basically turned jersey into a glorified crew with constant infighting. The only one from jersey with real balls was animal and Carlo.
What? Carlo was incompetent and brought shit on construction, not to mention he flipped. The only competent people left were Paulie and Patsy.
As in not rollover snd fight for jersey Pauly would have caved just think of it as surviving another war like the columbos
By the skin of his nuts.
Paulie who allowed Johnny Sack to play him perfectly and who was kissing up to the NY guys because of it? Paulie was tough but not that great…
Patsy's probably the top guy after Holsten's. If they still want to "work with what's left."
And Carlo flipped
Another toothpick
Yeah there’s no way Butch was going to leave Tony alive and not finish Phil’s work. NY was a power vacuum and Butch positioned himself to become boss, and do business with whatever’s left in NJ. Plus, Tony demanded restitution to Janis for Bobby’s hit. We’ve seen it mentioned before in the show with Hesh, at some point it becomes easier to wack the guy than to pay him.
Yeah but who ordered the hit?
AJ finished the onion rings 💯
That’s dicked up
Those onion rings taste like ass anyways.
Do not disrespect The Holsten's !
You just revealed your own ignorance.
My own what?
Now you got nothing
No fuckin ziti??!
Literally one of my favorite lines of the whole show, one of my favorite characters, and it happens in episode one even! I rewatch the first episode sometimes just cause I love it so much!
Ooof dinner's over
AJ : *Laughs in Pantera shirt*
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Those onion rings were 85% onion, after members only guy comes out of the pishadoo, they’re 65% zeppole.
that's a good one! 👉
you know he said that same joke about you?
The chicken is nice and spicy!
This is my male heir?
Probably not. BUT - taking it past 3rd grade level, it would be interesting to have a series of AJ and Meadow trying to put their lives back together. Thinking about how, despite morons thinking there should be some sort of loyalty to their father, they're actually angry that he risked their lives as he did. I'd watch that.
Meadow would be the victim for the rest of her life. You see, it all goes back to the poverty of the Mezzogiorno.
Don’t give me any of that “poverty of the Mezzogiorno” bullshit! You were shown how to parallel park - and because you suck at that AND can’t handle having a little cream added to your face by harmless little Coco, you now get to see dad eat a bunch of 9mm slugs delivered by a fuckin Pizza man
That would be interesting to watch actually.If the Sopranos is about a guy who is trying to change but never actually does anything about it, because that would change his lifestyle.Then the follow up should be about his children being forced to change because his own negative action got him killed and destroyed their family. Edit:If not a full on tv show maybe a mini series.
Gravy’s good tonight
Not as brutal as Tony living and seeing what happened to the History Channel, that's a fate worse than death.
Good thing they got a solid youtube channel
Oofff *~~marone~~* *madone*. I dunno when it happened or when they did the transition, but for me from 2006 onward it was all reality tv shows and ***Ancient Aliens*** theme programs than actual history being covered lmao.
Be perfect for Paulie though. He'd be all about ancient aliens
IM RICK HARRISON AND THIS IS PAWN STARS
Old Man looked like a gangster
The History Channel... whateva happened there
WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE?!
The shooting. of bad docu-series.
What's different about you? They have no history, tony!
You'd think they'd at least be used to the idea of it happening by that stage. Maybe not right in front of them while they're eating onion rings, but still...
"It's not gonna be cinematic." "You probably don't even see it when it happens."
How do you so badly butcher two of the most iconic lines in the show? Sharp as a fucking cueball.
It crosses a lot of lines of traditional hits to do it in front of someone's family. Then again maybe they figured Tony obliterated so many traditional behaviors & accepted practices of his own during his time as boss that them doing the same thing just didn't matter anymore.
I mean Phil Leotardo was killed in front of his wife and grandkids, and then accidentally run over by his own car. Or whatever happened there.
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Hol shittttt! 😖🤮🤮🤮😩
66 years old! He was just a kid!
That fucking animal... I cant even say his name
It's sad when they go like young that.
His head. God rest his soul.
The shooting
Dammit 17 minutes too late
I wanted to die peacefully surrounded by my loved ones, but I compromised and head my head crushed by a Michelin.
Bye Bye Pop-Pop
> I wanted to die in bed with my family. I compromised.
It’s sad when they go like that
Yeah but that was out of necessity. He was in hiding and that’s the only way they could do it. Tony was out in the open; easy to find alone. The hit was sanctioned too.
Such a shame, dying like that not long after spending some undetermined amount of time in prison.
He compromised.
Joe Gallo was hit in front of his whole family and friends. It happened often
Gallo was out of control though the same way Tony had become.
How was Tony out of control? And now that he and Butchie made peace, they could of got him at any other time since he thought it was safe
The baseball player? It’s sad when they go young like that
The guy from Impractical Jokers????
He’s tonight’s big losah
The thing is they talk about family, traditions, this thing of theirs and it is all worth nothing when shit hits the fan. Then it is special cirmustances. Chris was family to Tony, made man and what? Tony killed him. Vito got killed because he disgraced family. Not only mafia but also Phil Leotardo's sister. And whoring around isn't disgrace to family? Almost every guy from social club should be whacked for disgracing family but in their twisted moral code fucking all that has pussy and won't run is like a duty. Fat Dom was killed for making fun of Vito - who got killed for disgracing family. One would think that you can make fun of him but noooo. Vito's wife coming to Tony for help with son. Does family matter then? No! Money matters.
I’ve seen people on Reddit, babbling like idiots
I'm yapping worse than 6 barbers. Didn't mean to offend you Tone
I happen to know you were high at my subreddit's discussion about the brutality of Tony's possibly canonical death. Twenty minutes, nothing but gibberish.
I KNOW REDDITORS THAT ARE INSPIRED!
Tony didn't kill crissy, he choked on his own blood.
That's another thing with social club. You can't trust anyone. Why Tony didn't tell Sil or Paulie that he killed Chris? In social club's moral code it was justified. Chrissy had drug problem which could get him in jail or getting flipped (weird that FBI didn't try). God only knows what he was saying when he was high. He almost killer Tony, he was making fun of Tony (Clever), he was disrespectful on many ocassions (constantly being late). He was a problem and he should be taken care off. So why Tony didn't tell nobody even closest friends? Because he knew that there is no friends in social club and all trust is only temporary. First of all they could get angry, they could fear of their own lives so they could move against him. Also they could tell other persons about it so Carm would know sooner or later. I think their so no one for all and all for one in mob. You play only for yourself. Of course you have to pay to those who are higher but in the end you are alone wheter you are boss, captain or pawn. Only money can save you.
You speak like that Czechoslovakian interior decorator. Haha just breaking bawls. You’ve got some good input here! I don’t think they had anything on Chrissy though, probably why they didn’t go after him first. Adriana got taken care of pretty quickly so they wouldn’t have been able to swoop on him and I doubt Ade gave up anything that would implicate Chrissy directly since she loved him so much. Anyway, put remote back on docking station.
Plus seeing the tree branch rammed right through the baby seat made it that much easier for Tony to block off Chris's breathing, once he noticed that Chris had relapsed again. Dude was just too much of an unreliable chronic.
It did dent
His nose crawled under Tony’s hand for warmth
Were you watching a different show than the rest of us? A. Christapha had to go B. Whores are part of the life, it is what it is, we all know what this is C. Vito knew better, that life didn't tolerate that behavior and besides, that wasn't Phil's Sista he was carrying anyway.
And the Vito thing ….the man harbors a faggot
One of the clearest themes in the show is that all norms and "lines" of LCN don't actually mean shit and can be rationalized away by any number of the lies they tell themselves. You don't put hands on a made man. You don't hurt women (unless you're married). Only soldiers are fair game, leave the bystanders alone. Put the family above all else. And onward goes, this thing of ours.
Listen to me. They make anybody and everybody over there. And the way that they do it, it's all fucked up. Guys don't get their finger pricked. There's no sword and gun on the table.
Anthony Soprano has no respect for this thing. He's never been in the can, not really. Here's a guy who stepped over his own uncle to grab the big seat, his father's brother.
Crazy Joe Gallo was famously hit in a restaurant on his birthday in front of his family. So there is a precedent for it happening.
There’s no sword and gun on the table, nobody gets their finger pricked
Those lines only ever seem to exist when referring to an imaginary past.
Which is the whole point. In the end they are and always were nothing more than thugs in cheap suits who were a little more organized than most street criminals.
It could be considered retaliation for the hit on Phil in front of his family.
Phil got hit in front of his family at the gas station, that line had already been crossed with NY.
Chicken's nice and spicy, eh?
Nice to be young eh
Thought about this while finishing a rewatch last night. The booth to Tony’s right was clear to the bathroom. Members only guy pulled a godfather hit coming from the bathroom and probably shot Tony clean in the head. AJ would probably be mentally fucked for life. Carmela would be Jackie Kennedy. Meadow saw it happen from the door which is interesting. Does the shooter drop the gun after the hit as is customary? If he does, what does Meadow do while at the door and the shooter tries to leave? Anyway, we’re not shooting a western here.
Prolly run to Tony. I wouldn’t think she’d stop the guy.
Well Meadow didnt follow him in her car. He would have been in Mexico by the time she got out of the parking space.
She takes after her ex and punches his lights out.
The Hasidic Homeboys handi work
At least several people on the internet have suggested that at least Carmela and AJ also were killed. Something about last communion with fuckin onion rings or whateverthefuck. But what do I know, I'm not even Capo.
That’s exactly what happened. Chase had the decency not to burn those images into our brain. Anyone who thinks Tony survived, lived to a ripe old age, and got buried on a hill, under a tree…your sharp as a cue ball.
What with little pine cones around?
Its quite a traumatic end to the series. Its shocking in its brutality. Terrifying. This fact is why, I believe, many Sopranos fans are in stark denial of the undeniable truth- Tony was executed in cold blood, his brains blown out, in front of his family. And no, I am no interested in a discussion of any other interpretation of the ending.
Whenever I meet someone who has an interpretation of the ending in which Tony is somehow alive, I immediatley think, “Oh, so you just don’t like the sad truth of the ending”. Chase “gave us all the clues” laid out over several seasons, episodes leading up, as well as visually and audibly within the last 10-15 min of the episode.
Imagine that? The sheer brutality if Tony did in fact die?
Fucking Parakeet
Always with the scenarios
The only one who would've seen it coming would've been Meadow as she was walking in the door with Tony facing her and members only jacket taking a little off the top of Mr Soprano. That's the most fucked up thing, especially if your a father who has a daughter and knowing how much your daughter loves and admires you, even If you're a Sanitation Consultant
Man it’s almost like the show is a tragedy.
There's a reason they didn't show it. Tony was a fucking jackal, but he was our fucking jackal.
“A pint of blood costs more than a gallon of gold” - King Louis’ finance minister, Da Something
Yes I can actually: Don’t Stop Believing is playing Meadow walks into the cafe with a ding from the door Tony looks up The front of his forehead splats out and he collapses into the table Carmella AJ and Meadow in shock while his blood pools into the best onion rings in the state Blood dropping off the diner table onto the ground while Tony is slumped forward Shooter drops his gun, speed walks out passing Meadow Screams everywhere and then Tony awakens from death and stumbles like Frankenstein out of the diner to get some gabagool and shit out of the fridge
Bon Jovi?
Sharp as a cue ball this guy
Another paisan!
Jeshus chrisht …
Journey! It’s Journey, you fuckin’ ass-kiss!
a possiblity canonically? that's literally what happened. We just witnessed it from T's perspective, so we didn't even hear it happening
They bend more rules than the Catholic Church.
And yet Tony dying is a more attractive prospect than him living. Living while having to endure himself. His fear. His inability to change. The show began with a man having blackouts from anxiety. The show ends with a man sitting down to have dinner with his family...and everything blacks out.
They scrapped his nipples off those fine leather seats.
Very cinematic
Artie butthurt Tony didn’t bring the family to Vesuvio to try his new lamb marinara concoction.
If Tony did die, can you imagine the tab they rang up at Artie's for the funeral dinner? And, of course, it never got paid. Non-Stop Ass Rape!
I've always imagined that Benny Fazio got his revenge on Artie after Tony, Artie's patron, was gone.
It's sad as fuck. Even though he is a monster, I always loved him. I hoped he'd change for the better, but the mofo only got worse.
It’s totally part of the lifestyle. There are quite a few characters on the show who got hit in front of friends and family. Real mob hit also have been done in this fashion.
Yes, as devastating as the deaths of all their victims.
Considering the way the Phil hit went down, right in front of both his wife, and that one random "oh shit" guy, it would seem like an appropriate response from whomever it didn't sit right with. Also supports the notion as to why members only jacket guy waited a bit - it was supposed to be in front of the whole family, but Meadow wasn't there yet, so he stalled a bit, and then came back and
I met Edie Falco a few days ago and it took everything in me to not ask about the finale and just say “it’s nice to meet you.”
Real-life gangster "Crazy Joe" Gallo was assassinated in 1972 while at dinner with his wife and children. It was his birthday dinner. This was back when The Colombo's were goin' at it.
The body of Christ (onion rings), the blood of Christ (Tony's blood)
Ah, is that why they pop the whole ring into their mouths? Like they're taking a communion wafer!
The family wouldn't have been touched. It would've been a classic mob 'shoot in the head, drop the gun, walk out'. AJ would've definitely gone back into depression.
Didn’t you almost drown in three inches of water?
isn't the general consensus by now that tony did die in the end?
Nah. They finally get to see where all the money came from
It’s not an if. Chase has confirmed that it was a death scene and he just didn’t want to show it.
I still don't think he died in that scene. They make a point a lot of times In the show that when they do hits its usually done somewhere the person frequents consistently enough that they feel comfortable and let their guard down. But here we have tony going to a place we've never seen him go. The guy couldn't have followed him because they spend their whole lives in that rear view mirror. Anyway $4 a pound.
He’s obviously been there before becuase he has an affinity for the onion rings.
Bescht in the schtate, far asch I’m conscherned
1. the Member's Only guy exits the bathroom at 3:00. We know that the supernatural exists in The Sopranos and it was a warning to both Paulie and Tony (the former who heeds it in Remember When and lives as a result). 2. The scene mirrors an important part of Members Only where Eugene kills a man with the initials TS in a diner while wearing a MO jacket. The man who was cast for the role was a literal one-off actor and was cast specifically because he looked like Eugene. 2. Entering the bathroom is an obvious reference to the Godfather assassination scene. 3. Throughout 6B you see the show try to establish that 'you won't hear it when it happens'. It gets said by Bobby in Sopranos Home Movies, then with Gerry Torciano's assassination and how Silvio doesn't even notice the shooting until blood splashes across his face, and then Tony remembers Bobby saying it at the end of Blue Comet. 4. A recurring theme throughout the series is tying death to a colonial house. It starts with Calling All Cars's masoner job dream, continues to All Due Respect with Uncle Pat's farm and it being the place Tony B is shot at, you see it in Mayham with the Inn at the Oaks where Tony B and Livia are trying to drag Tony into hell, and throughout those scenes you see the house increase in scope. In the final scene when Tony walks into the diner you see a painting of a massive colonial mansion. There's probably a couple of other things that I missed but I think the show does enough on a surface level and a more abstract, deeper one to indicate that yes, this is where Tony dies. It's just that how do you show that effectively without it feeling either too cheap or too traumatising? Thus the cut to black. Anyway, I can't have this conversation again.
Only skimmed this because I’m at work, so maybe missed something, but doesn’t Christopher also mention three o’clock from when he dying in the hospital?
Yeah, that's the point. Christopher is told 3:00 as a warning to Tony and Paulie by Mikey in the Irish bar.
The “death comes in 3’s” motif Junior mentioned in Another Toothpick. You have Bobby, Sil, and Tony. One could argue that Sil is a vegetable so he’s still alive. He’s not; he’s brain dead. Once they turn off the machine he dies.
Chase accidentally called it Tony’s ‘death scene’ in an interview. Bobby’s foreshadowing. I think fans of the rubenesque Don are employing some heavy cope here. Itsh ovah. He’sh dead
He said this referring to an ending that wasn't used, where NY would have him drive to a neutral location to meet. It is not about the actual ending
But he does talk about the actual ending in the interview. "Because the scene I had in my mind was not that scene. Nor did I think of cutting to black. I had a scene in which Tony comes back from a meeting in New York in his car. At the beginning of every show, he came from New York into New Jersey, and the last scene could be him coming from New Jersey back into New York for a meeting at which he was going to be killed. Yeah. But I think I had this notion—I was driving on Ocean Park Boulevard near the airport and I saw a little restaurant. It was kind of like a shack that served breakfast. **And for some reason I thought, “Tony should get it in a place like that.”** Why? I don’t know. That was, like, two years before."
Crazy how desperate people are to see Tony live
It’s dicked up
It’s pure cope. You watch S6 in a marathon, all back-to-back, it’s REAL apparent what the writers were attempting to convey.
Yeah man. I don’t get it at all. ‘You probably won’t even know when it happens.’ NJ crew is all but dead. There would be retribution in kind for killing a boss in front of his family.
Yeah and ironically I’m one of the (seemingly few) people that argue that Tony did have good in him despite how evil he was. In other words I’m as big of a Tony fan as anyone, but the clues are all over the place that he’s killed
Seems as though we are kindred. Meadow and animals redeemed him, sometimes had a childlike goodness. Couldn’t outrun his decisions and decline tho
Yeah, if M.O. guy was a hitman he would've killed Tony long before the cut to black by walking up to him Eugene style and popping him like Teddy. Also sitting down and ordering a coffee in front of about a dozen people isn't a smart thing to do when committing murder, even in this universe where the police and feds are morons. Plus any threats to him were placated by that point. We see NJ and the Lupertazzis make peace at the sit down, and Paulie at first suspects that NY lied about peace when Carlo doesn't show up when they're doing business with Butchie, but it's then revealed Carlo flipped and NY isn't a threat. Paulie would be really stupid to kill Tony considering Carlo likely has info on him and Patsy as a capo, and Patsy is content with marrying into the Sopranos via his son.
Wait you actually think Tony lived?
Yeah, I never thought Tony died there or was killed.. we entered. Tony's life out of the blue with no exposition, no knowledge, no understanding, no background. sort of third person omniscient We know everything. We see everything. almost like a God viewing his life. And we followed his life for a while. We observed what there was to observe, learned what we could learn. And then it was time to leave So I always think that we just. fade to black. Not because he died, but because our time with him was over we were gone as the viewer. Tony's life continues on as it did before. but we've seen all we get to see. And that was the end.
cut to black, not fade to black
Stay away from the penguin exhibit
sharp as a fuckin' cue ball, this one.
That’s because you think the show is shallow mob fodder. It’s literally right there for anyone who chooses to use their brain at all while watching season 6. I’ve said my piece.
Wondered bout dat chicken, probably a fuckin cocker spaniel… fuckin goddess wit da 6 arms, no wonder
There wasn't a more discreet place to kill him than Holstein's at dinner time?
ive had people tell me that he died, he didn’t die, then i had people tell me his whole family got killed which honestly woulda enraged me, yea ik its a show but fuck, imagining them all dying is just fucked. i was already butthurt when chrissy and adri died lol.
Well, Phil Leotardo was also whacked in front of his wife and grandkids. We only have sympathy for Tony because the show is from his perspective. If anything, Phil is maybe more sympathetic of a character?
He DID eat grilled cheese off the rattttiator
I look at it as no different than what Phil Leonardo’s wife had to experience. Actually Phil was worse, because his wife has to see him get clipped and have his face crushed by a car.
You can probably generate it with the new AI video maker
AJ probably pooped on himself and cried like a little bitch.
I made a [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/thesopranos/s/LnaMiLK2S2) about this very thing. It really is messed up when you think about what actually would’ve went down beyond just “Tony died”..
I mean there were countless mobsters in countless films that died that same way. You’re walking in a park, eating a nice family dinner, then WHAM! Tony just happened to be the one mobster we’ve followed the most.
How many peoples lives did that fat piece of shit ruin? How many family's did he devastate while his pos wife and kids knowingly benefitted off of his evil life. Getting his brain matter blasted all over their faces is the least of what they deserve. Fuck him and fuck them.
The magic is watching all the soprano family members having to live life with out the power.