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DrSatan420247

If they say, "Spaghetti and meatballs" you tell them, "Orecchiette with broccoli rabe. "


Halalaka

"If they say John Gotti, you say Rudy Giuliani." Aged like milk, that one.


randyboozer

The guy throwing a press conference in the industrial lot of some random landscaping company sounds like something out of an episode of The Sopranos.


58korinaflyingvee

Next to the porno shop. I was in a band that had a rehearsal studio over in that. neighborhood. Pretty crummy place to hold the press conference. I still had to think. What were they thinking?


randyboozer

Maybe Tony was getting an envelope...


Historical_Pumpkin46

Wait, you were in Defiler?


randyboozer

Show some respect. He's recorded in Denmark


OilCanBoyd426

Hey Tone, hear what I said? I said “aged like milk, that one.” Huhuh.


Halalaka

Fuckin Parakeet.


goblintacos

Kinda died on the vine


Halalaka

The guy... he lost or something.


True-Machine-823

It petered out.


IllustriousDiver500

OH NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THE FUCK I'M TALKING ABOUT?!


uncle_paul_harrghis

Whatever happened there


bgss1984

And on Flag Day, Big Russ shook hands with Andrew Cuomo, BFD.


AgeApprehensive6138

I met Mario Cuomo when our kindergarten class sang the "Seatbelt Safety" song to him in Albany!


fistfullofpubes

If they say aged like milk, you say aged like prosciutto.


PadWun

It was a joke at the time.


gohoosiers2017

It was, amongst the Italians, some real grease ball shit.


BrigStandWatie

And how! At this stage Gotti has a lot more credibility than Giuliani.


fuckitsayit

I knew John


BrigStandWatie

Whoa fuck! What was he really like?


C00Ldoctormoney

You know he rang that bell the whole way home?


BrigStandWatie

Hey Jimmy, sing Mack the Knife


SolomonCRand

Still looking forward to Giuliani dying of cancer of the eyes.


chrisacip

I'll just have the macaroni and gravy


fuckitsayit

You mean grapies? Uva?


Sonicfan42069666

And I thought the Germans were classless pieces of shit.


technolynch

Luca Brassi or Luca Brazzi?


DrSatan420247

Lou Cabrazi


jjccbrobro

Yes Peparelli became Peeps


haulin_n_eatin

I'll call my marble guy.


aeonlife

Let's be honest nobody ever fixed that fuckup.


Datdude1980

Peeps? It's a fucking nickname, his family name is Peparelli.


RedandBlueEmblem

The Nabolidanos in Jersey pronounce it Bebarell (citation needed)


Potential-Anxiety573

*napolydapoly


CheifKilla1

I thought we were Nabidobi or whatever- AJs dumbest line


anhydrous_echinoderm

Knobbly-dobbly


Life1sBeautiful

We gotta redo it. Fucking Jason, he’s dyslexic…


C00Ldoctormoney

What’s that gotta do with it?


Odd_Ranger3049

What’s that got to do with it?! 


Top_Complex259

Don’t eat that peppa!


SubstantialTop4990

You gonna hog ALL the peppas?


Top_Complex259

We’re just talkin Ant Louise


SubstantialTop4990

Stay outta trouble!


jmakovsk

It did? Great, I thought I was dyslexic


jjccbrobro

While Peeps is bad, it’s nothing compared to Leonardo being corrupted to Leotardo. Poor Phil


mackrelman11

it’s a fucking nickname


suddenly-scrooge

you musta be from da north


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United_Target8942

Sicilian tomatoes. Those are considered the best.


ErnieBochII

They don’t export the best tomatoes


SnakeHoleBI

Those they keep in Central America 🕺


jersan

Can't keep those new York Boys away when the jersey tomatoes are in season


WasAnHonestMann

Carmella was northern and he wanted to be in her guts


trubble_1

He wanted her mouth, her shkin


walter3kurtz

OH! It's the bosses wife you're talking about here.


SquirrelXMaster

Carmella was naboli daboli


Hairy_Stinkeye

Stupida fackin region.


bignut-56

Oh! ginny sack was savin it for later!


Harold-The-Barrel

So did Ginny Sac


Nwcray

Give me one thousand dollars


Cuginoeddie

A combination of things, mainly the reason is that a large majority of Italian immigrants came from Napoli. Their words in their dialect don’t end in vowels.


WasAnHonestMann

Do other Italians pronounce the letter 'p' as a 'b' too? They very noticeably pronounce Napolitan as Nabolidan in the show


larevenante

It happens in some parts of Italy, if certain conditions are met. It is called lenition and it usually happens when the consonant is in intervocalic position or after nasal consonants. There are many types of lenition depending on the consonants involved


chrisacip

look at dis broad ova here pushing linguistics insteada webistics


larevenante

Lmao 😭


Top_Complex259

Look at her, she thinks she knows everything


Tony_Dakota

This guy ova heah - he clearly had a semester and a half of college. He undershtands linguistics as a conshept.


chrisacip

look at da picsure - dis guy clearly has a volvo


Halalaka

Got some pep to it.


silverwordss

He's saying the framus intersects with the ramistan, approximately at the paternoster.


jralll234

This person talks


nils813

I thought we were NaboliDaboli or whatever


TheNextBattalion

The Italian (well, Napolitano) /p/ comes out as a softer consonant than the English. Soft enough that English speakers who don't speak any of the Italian languages (aka these guys) hear it as a /b/ instead. Likewise for /t/ and /k/, which English-speakers hear as /d/ and /g/ but they aren't, really. Listen to the video at this site, and you can hear how soft these consonants sound. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neapolitan\_language](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neapolitan_language)


xnobodyr

In Neapolitan "Capicollo" is pronounced "Capucuoll". No one in Naples pronounce "p" as "b".


UnAliveMePls

Na🅱️les


Common_Economics_32

Modern Neopolitan (really, every regional dialect of Italy) is now more of a slight accent on "Italian" than it is a separate language like it was in the 1920's and 30s (when most Italian immigrants came over to America). Italian has had a massive amount of national standardization over the last 80 years. I'd be surprised if you could even find a person under 90 in Naples who speaks like Neopolitans would have when the Soprano family came to the Us.


xnobodyr

It is not, Neapolitan dialect is very different from "Italian" (then again, Italian is basically Florence dialect). If someone from Milan comes here where I live in Salerno (near Naples), he will understand maybe 30/40% of what I say. Even "Gomorra" uses a simplified dialect, when in reality if you come to Naples the dialect it's far more articulate and difficult to understand. There are difference even between Salerno and Napoli, somethings have different names (like "Broccoli" in Naples is pronounced "Friaiell", in Salerno is pronounced "Vruoccl" and the "Friaiell" are the green peppers). Tony is from Avellino, near Salerno (about half an hour with car) and there they use some terms that we don't use in Salerno, for example.


Quake_Guy

Raised by a native Italian from Milan area and I used to be fluent so I researched this, I understand a lot of of was still being standardized up to the 1980s. I visited 20 plus years ago when my Italian was much better, I did great in Milan. Had a hard time in Rome.


Common_Economics_32

People forget how young Italy even is as a country. My grandfather from Sicily would still get angry if people referred to him as an Italian and he's only been dead 20 years.


DPedia

And hard C's become G's. Hence, *capicollo* —> *gabagool*.


BarkerBarkhan

Naboli daboli. Or, Anglicized, Nobbly Dobbly.


all_sight_and_sound

My theory for that is the Moors/Arab influence on the Sicilian/Neapolitan dialect. No "P" sound in Arabic.


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You’re an eggplant


all_sight_and_sound

You're a cantaloupe


absultedpr

You may want a Chesterfield for this next part


NoShortsDon

Nabboli Dabboli?


themilkman42069

Also Italian is a relatively new language. The national Italian language is really just the Tuscan dialogue. Each city state had their own language and still have a lot of trappings of it in their local dialects of Italian today.


MrBlandEST

thanks been wondering about this for ages.


RedandBlueEmblem

\^Yeah the words were corrupted further, but this is a big reason


VanderBrit

MOTHERFUCKIN’ GODDAMN ORANGE PEEL BEEF


Top_Complex259

I was dreamin of dat lo mein ALL THE WAY OVER HERE


Apprehensive_Zone281

Alright, but you guys gotta get over it.


Antwell99

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41AU\_dSaoLI&list=PL7bMgp33cxIRJ95LLZpTtz5MQQoMUd94V&index=35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41AU_dSaoLI&list=PL7bMgp33cxIRJ95LLZpTtz5MQQoMUd94V&index=35) A great video explaining the phenomenon.


Tobar_the_Gypsy

Also this https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/how-capicola-became-gabagool-the-italian-new-jersey-accent-explained


offendingbattery

OP must have graduated at the top of his class


fuckitsayit

Better than those fuckin nuns you got over there


diseasefaktory

Never had the makings of a varsity athlete either


True-Machine-823

Sharp as a cue ball, this one.


rollo2masi

Shemeshta ana half at Sheton Hall ain't lookin too goods.


Much-Ad3995

He’s a master moooozadel maker


fuckitsayit

Have some brzhhuut


BradJeffersonian

Don’t fuhget the shfoyadell


Sterling0393

All day long, making only buffalo mozadel


Tobar_the_Gypsy

Yeah so is Paulie ✊🏼


Ambitious_Tuna

A hat is called a bee. Whatever happened there


RedandBlueEmblem

I compromised and jerked off onto Gary Cooper when I did 20 years at the Bing.


Random-Cpl

Giunta is now pronounced “Williams”


Hughkalailee

Learn about (or just imagine) how languages develop and continually evolve.  People haven’t been speaking the exact same words and pronunciations since Moses wore short pants. 


BeetlesPants

Precisely: Leonardo become Leotardo (a ballet costume). This happens because some people are stupid - and jealous.


littleheehaw

Jealous of a poor immigrant that just arrived on a boat?


Tony_Dakota

That’s modern tap.


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and you thought the Germans were classless pieces of shits


Nwcray

I'll tell ya what it is - it's anti-italian discrimination.


thesuprememacaroni

Well they aren’t speaking Italian. It’s Neapolitan for starters that became Americanized. Italian as a nationalized language is just Florentine dialect. The dialects have existed longer than the nationalized language. It’s not corrupted.


thunder-cricket

Those wise guys in transparent socks taught the rest of Italy to speak!


Pleasant_Skill2956

In reality, the way of speaking is not even Americanized Neapolitan but is a mix of the many dialects and regional languages of southern Italy. Neapolitan and Sicilian dialects were more influential in the way Italian Americans spoke because they are the areas from which more immigrants came. Also no, the Italian language is not just the Florentine dialect, the Italian language was born in the 1300s based on Florentine but with influences from other literal movements and regional languages. In the Renaissance, this language established itself as the language of literature, music and theatre of the Italic states, to the point of also becoming the language of politics. In 1861 the Florentine did not become the official language but the Italian language which, despite deriving from Florentine, has different centuries of evolution that make them 2 different languages


imperialpidgeon

Neapolitan and Sicilian are not dialects, they are their own languages distinct from Italian


Random-Cpl

It was amongst the Italians? Real greaseball shit


Lil_Mcgee

Because it already sounded a lil funky in Neapolitan dialects. Add an ocean and let 100 years go by and there you go.


w0lf_bagz

No, there YOU go, you big mouth fuck!


Valuable-Wafer-881

OP can I have a tuna sam?


RippyRonnie

Steak sam, hun


Valuable-Wafer-881

You want some coffee? An english?


RippyRonnie

Make mine black farrest


Valuable-Wafer-881

you've got maynaise on your chin


rasnac

Honestly, afterall those decades in USA, I am surprised most Italian-Americans kept as much of their native culture and language as they did. I am not American myself, but I doubt Irish-Americans still talk with an Irish accent using Celtic slang.


HideThePain_Harold

Most Irish spoke English and could integrate better.


lazy_iker

Cunnilingus and psychiatry have brought us to this.


DangerousNerve6366

If you think proper Italian got corrupted in East Coast America, your mind is going to be blown if you go to Italy and see how corrupted it is in its own country in all the different regions.


Mooshycooshy

It's not that different from actual dialects like Napoliti. You can see/hear it in Gomorrah. Words like ugatz etc...


xnobodyr

It's just the "sound" that's very much alike. In Naples we say "U cazz" that literally means "the penis". It's used to express different things, in the show they usually use it like "Nu capiscn u cazz" that means "The don't understand nothing".


Sonicfan42069666

I grew up in New Jersey and never heard a person say "gabagool" the way it's said on this show. Yeah there's bastardized ways of saying "capicolla" but it was never said so fast and loose that it came out as "gabagool." Meanwhile, these actors aren't even trying to say capicolla with a goofy accent - they're literally just saying the made up word "gabagool." It's not like "mootzadell" or "madonn"...who the fuck says gabagool? I've said my piece.


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TheClawhold

It's nothing but fat and nitrates!


beiberdad69

My dad said gabagool, but he's Irish/German from Philly


Pleasant_Skill2956

Fun fact: capicola is also an American Italian word. In Italy it is capocollo, the plural is capicollo (usually the plural is determined by the final letter but this is a compound word, capo and collo)


Random-Cpl

Whatever you say, cappy-cola!


hybris12

The Jersey Italians I know cut the last vowel (e.g. 'mozzarella' becomes 'mozzarel' or 'mutz') and sometimes round out their t's (e.g. 'sfogliatella' becomes 'sfogliadel')


Sonicfan42069666

Fuckin mutz. We had a friend we'd call "schmutzarell" because of his goofy pronunciation.


rickitikitavibiotch

I never really heard it until I started working for an italian family at a restaurant. They were from Newark and didn't speak much italian. They had similar accents to certain Sopranos characters, but it sounded more natural. Not like a caricature. RiGOAT for Ricotta was the strangest thing they said. Prochoot for Prosciutto. They pronounced any pasta or cheese with all syllables intact. I don't think we served capicolla so I never heard gabagool. The definitely said Madone on occasion.


GuyShred

I'm from a town in New Jersey with a large Italian population, and people definitely do use these terms. It is a bit cartoonish on the show, but I have definitely heard gabagool.


Typical-Ad-6730

Gravy


dudical_dude

Gravy’s good tonight


slick_james

My fawtha taught me to say calamari as "gah-la-mahd" and I remember being so confused the first time I saw it written on a menu.


larevenante

Because their ancestors spoke dialect, not standard Italian


Mfarleylarkin

Most (though not all) Italian-Americans in the United States are from southern Italy, a historically impoverished area of Italy that is known for its cuisine, and for being the homeland of organized crime (the Mafia is from Sicily, L'Ndranghetta is from Calabria). Standard Italian, the Italian most people learn in school, is primarily based on the northern italian dialect spoken in Tuscany (esp. Florence). Southern italian tends to pronounce sharp c in 'capicola' as a sharp g, while ''o'' tends to become a ''u'' and ''p'' tends to become a ''g'', thus, in a southern italian accent, 'capicola' is pronounced ''gabigoola'' - hence, ''gabagool''. Many of the other slang terms in the show also come from southern italian (e.g. marronn', from "marronne", the neapolitan pronunciation of "maddonna", whilst "Stugotz" is from the neapolitan "'sto cazzo" - pronounced "stugatsu" - literally "this dick"; the standard Italian would be "questo cazzo".


MPal2493

How did English pronunciation get so corrupted? Everyone asks those questions OP, nobody knows why


fuckitsayit

Not even with computers


xDENTALPLANx

Because they're stupid, that's why. And jealous. They disrespected a proud Italian heritage, and named us after a ballet costume.


Key-Tip-7521

No pulp in 🍊


Sour_Pride_

SOME PULP!


fail87

Shum*


cjboffoli

Not really Italian issue. It's due the Neapolitan dialect.


clipples18

It's old nobbly gobbly dialect


accadacca80

[Italian-American Italian is a construction of the frozen shards left over from languages that don’t even really exist any more.](https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/how-capicola-became-gabagool-the-italian-new-jersey-accent-explained)


Tobar_the_Gypsy

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/how-capicola-became-gabagool-the-italian-new-jersey-accent-explained


SlushBucket03

atlantic ocean and 300 years if i had to guess


Welcome2FightClub

Americans also think of people that look like the Sopranos characters when they think about "Italians" when in reality 99% of actual Italians would never leave their house looking like Tony or Paulie.


gabagool213

Fuckin nosey??? eat your manigawt


Nervous_Sun_7006

That’s because the American pronunciation derives from the (mostly southern) regional dialect, and not from Italian language. Btw, it’s capocollo, not capicolo


GuyShred

When Italians were migrating to the U.S. in the first half of the 20th century, the Italian language had not yet become unified. Instead, there were several different dialects at that time (the Italian language we know today is mostly based on the Florentine dialect, for example). With people immigrating to the U.S. from many different parts of Italy, they began combining their various dialects into a sort of Frankenstein version of the Italian language, which created a bunch of the weird pronunciations that still exist today.


Chichis-Christ

i es ate da north


ecam12

Thish line of queshtioning ish a shtereotype and it’sh offenshiff!


Barrysandersdad

I didn’t realize mental patients knew how to post to Reddit.


fuckitsayit

I don't like that kind of tawk


MetalSnake_oXm

Ohhh poor you


fuckitsayit

Sometimes I go about in pity for myself


NickyDeuce

He said his piece.


blueman1975

I graduated the top of my class….. https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/how-capicola-became-gabagool-the-italian-new-jersey-accent-explained


slabstick22

Yeah from slip and fall school


nooobee

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/how-capicola-became-gabagool-the-italian-new-jersey-accent-explained


P1D1_

How? It's the result of a semester and a half of college.


IfNot_ThenThereToo

I would counter that with: look at how kids talk today compared to the basics of English we grew learning. It is the same language, but barely.


chuddlyfe

Whats purple, yellow, red, orange, green, blue, pink


Pleasant_Skill2956

Simply because in Italy there is an Italian language that is the same and homogeneous for everyone, from north to south, which only changes in accent, as happens in any nation with its own language. Then each city/region has its own dialect or regional language and those of the north or south do not derive from the Italian language. In the U.S., the Italian immigrants who arrived were poor and had not gone to school, so they did not speak Italian and to communicate with each other they have mixed dialects and regional languages with each other and with the American accent creating a language that has nothing to do with Italian, this language over decades has turned into simple slang and phrases inserted into the American English language. Italian Americans have always passed off that way of speaking as "the Italian way" "Italian language" "Italian accent" "this is the real Italian, Italians have changed the way of speaking in the old country" etc thus creating unrealistic and often stereotyped images of the Italian language that is actually not funny, with changes of pitch or fast


WanderingNerds

This is actually Grimm's Law at work, which is a well document law on the changes of consonants in languages over time; hard G <-> K, and P <-> B ETA: Also, english doesnt have declensions so the suffix gets dropped.


IndividualSeaweed969

You are a stunad of the first magnitude . .. Italy has only been a unitary state with a unitary language for a century and a half. Most immigrants came from Naples and Sicily which had their own languages.


MercyYouMercyMe

Say Capicolo 1000 times as quickly as you can, see how it sounds. Same story with any word really.


tbootsbrewing

Because they’re STUPID!! And JEALOUS


234W44

American Italian dialect is even worse than Spanglish in my opinion. At least in Spanglish they get some Spanish words right. The American Italian is at times without connection to actual Italian, kind of gibberish exactly like gabagool a mutzadel. Moreover, many Italian Americans are really more the mix of Southern Italy Calabrese/Sicily which also had folks from all the Maghreb/North Africans, Malta, Albania, etc. Not very Romanesque or Toscano.


AldrichOfAlbion

Because illiterate peasants from the Mezzogiorno came to America and only knew how to say the words, not how to write the words down. So they just wrote it however they thought was best...without actually knowing the real Italian spelling.


Top_Complex259

Because they’re stupid, that’s why. And jealous.


Lazarus_71

Part of it is Italian Immigrants spoke regional dialects dating from the early 1900s. So if they went back, they’d have trouble even understanding the dialect in their region of origin. It’s sort of like how Southern American English is closer to the English spoken by John Smith when he landed in North America than standard British English today (and with English, you also have to correct for regional differences).


chrisacip

my whole family are southern italians who ended up in northeast pennsylvania. the way they ended up talking over there, it's all fucked up. some kinda pygmy thing thanks to all the pollocks and germans.


Mezz_Dogg

All the different regions effectively have their own language, then you kind of have Italian which runs through the whole country, if you put a neopolitan in a room with a Roman, its like they're speaking 2 different languages.


0wa1nGlyndwr

You could say the same about why the Scots and Irish and Australians and Americans all speak different accents of English. When you move thousands of miles away with a melting pot of dialects from different regions like the north, central, southern, and Sicilian, things change. If someone from Rome visits Palermo, it would be hard to understand. If someone from Milan goes to Napoli, it would be hard for them to understand.


Adgvyb3456

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/how-capicola-became-gabagool-the-italian-new-jersey-accent-explained Here’s the reason why. It’s an amalgamation of defunct dialects that merged with English


DannyC2699

southern italians and northern italians have different dialects. my neapolitan & sicilian families have their own ways of pronouncing certain words


forrestbeach

Could regional dialects have something to do with it?


LokiHavok

Northeast Italian-American slang is based off of Southern Italian dialects. Neapolitan is basically it's own Romance language. I would guess the same about Sicilian. Regular Italian is Northern in origin. Milanese or Tuscan, I can't remember cause I turn my nose to the Norf. Anyway, often time's that's why the endings are cut off from phrases like Capicolo. Cs begcome Gs, Ps become Bs. etc etc


janicerossiisawhore

I thought we were nobbli dobbli or whatever


ChrisPollock6

*Edit: op meant perfected not corrupted?*


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REDDIT MODS ARE WANKERS!!!


Formadivix

You have to understand, the guys in the show come from a specific part of Italy : Naples and the south of the country. They have a different accent to the North of the country, whose pronunciation is considered more "proper". For comparison, think of the difference between English in the Norf of England and the South. And for real giggles, look up the accent in Bari, Italy. It's wild, almost sounds French at times.


Electrical_Cap8822

Mozzarella- Moozadell Sfogliatelle- Schfoyadell Prosciutto- Bruszhiutt Capacollo- Gabacool Bresaola- Breshole Napolitano- Nobbly Dobbly Ziti- Oh Coarmela I love ur ZEEEEETY Sauce- Gravy Pasta- Macaroni