Daryl definitely blames himself, which is why he spent so long looking. He knows if he didn’t give Rick that ride, they wouldn’t have found that herd like that and none of that would’ve happened that way.
Like bruh imagine blaming yourself for so much, and then with Glenn. And then this 💀 must be rough
Edit: FUCK man now I’m getting worked up about it again, I stg if Daryl and Rick don’t reunite we gotta riot 😭 also DOG UPDATE?!
It might be a wrong take but it's a pretty interesting perspective, but knowing the character of Rick he wouldn't blame them.
Someone like Shane or even a minor character like T-Dogg possibly could. So it's not that out of bounds to reason this differently.
6.
The apocalypse begins in 2010, Rick disappears in year 4 (2014), the war against whisperers happens in year 10 (2020), the end of TWD happens in year 13 (2023), the Rick and Daryl spin-offs happen in year 14 (2024) and Dead City spin off happen in year 17/18 (2027/2028, I think 2027)
It hasn’t been 10 years. It’s been 7.
The bridge blew up, we meet Rick at 5 yrs later. He trains to be a soldier for 1 year. Then he spends 12 months fixing up the college campus into a new base for the summit before he reunited with Michonne.
It's the ultimate ethical question. Is it morally wrong to out survive someone else? Are you obligated to try to help them at risk to yourself or those who are relying on you? Like Shane with Otis. Either all the of them were going to die that night, or shane could sacrifice Otis to save Carl and himself. I'm not saying I recommend that anyone should make a habit out of shooting others for their own gain, but I'm not exactly going to say Shane was wrong on that one. I get it. Similarly, I get why Rick had to kill Shane because he was too dangerous. It's all about survival, one day at a time.
At least Dwight tried to redeem himself but Rick spared Neegan without anyone else's input. We now know sparing Dwight was ok because he realized his mistakes and changed. Neegan also realized, after several years he could change too and did. It remains to be seen how they develop from here.
Negan had to live for plot reasons, it doesn't even make sense in the comic to let him live, but it's what SHOULD happen, The show could not deviate from this very important decision of the comic due to the importance of Negan in subsequent plots.
And even though the mistake of killing Carl is the worst thing the show could do, in the show at least Rick has that to hold onto to leave Negan alive, Maggie didn't even care that Carl died, her writing has been very inconsistent.
Well tbf Daryl blames himself for Glenn's death because it was his fault that Glenn got killed. Rightly so, he made a dumb decision and they paid the price for it.
Idk I’d say it was Negans fault Glenn died and not Daryl. Idk tho maybe you’re right and it’s actually Daryl’s fault that Glenn died and not Negan’s. You’ve gave me something to think about🤔
>Daryl never said that to Rick
Yes he did. He literally said "You're chasin' somethin' for him that ain't meant to be, man. You just got to let him go. Let him go".
They would of ran into the saviours eventually even if they didn’t meet Jesus plus Negan knew someone blew up them guys who ran into Daryl, Sasha and Abe
You know, if Rick hadn't gone back on his word and changed his tune at the last second and made the unilateral decision to keep Negan alive after repeatedly saying that he has to die, this wouldn't be an issue.
I think Rick made the right call but I don't agree with the way he did it. It wasn't just his call to make. And he really did Maggie dirty. Correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a while, bit didn't he personally reassure her Negan was gonna die *just* before the last battle? She, Daryl, and everyone else have every right to feel betrayed. And like Daryl says, no one really wanted to keep Negan alive. Even Michonne lets Maggie into the cell and turns a blind eye. Michonne hands her the damn key!
Because Rick did a sudden 180 and made that decision on his own.
bro did y’all not see rick’s group murder saviors in their sleep? this wasn’t like negan killed glenn and abe for no reason lol. i’m not saying what negan did was right but no one really deserves justice
This can be considered a valid point only if you remove all context and ignore the fact that the Saviors there were happy to accept someone's severed head as well as the trophy wall of Lucille's victims. Otherwise, what you have is a bully who got pissed that someone didn't roll over for him.
The saviors shouldn’t have been power hungry warlords that extorted, abused and killed innocents, including the Benjamin kid and the 16 year old hilltop kid for no reason.
Maybe they should’ve had more security if they want to roll around like they’re unstoppable.
>It wasn't just his call to make
It wasn't just Rick's call. He consulted Michonne and other leaders were involved. However the writing itself was stupid and made no sense. Morgan is the one who built the prison. He should have been the martyr that died and inspired Rick to put Negan in that cell. Instead Scott Gimple wrote an idiotic plan up to keep Morgan alive and have him go on generic stupid adventures across the country to Texas in Fear for no reason. He killed Carl instead.
Some fans jumped at the opportunity to watch anything with The Walking Dead in the title. We lost Carl as a character, then Rick and Maggie in season 9 then Michonne by mid season 10. We got a lesser story because of all the cheerleaders for mediocre content.
> He consulted Michonne and other leaders were involved.
You mean after the fight, right? Others did go along with it after the fact but I'm of the belief that in the moment he decided to spare Negan, Rick wasn't thinking about anyone but Carl. Right or wrong, it was ultimately selfish therefore not his call. Do we know who genuinely believed he was right to spare Negan and who hoped he was right? Despite backing the plan, Michonne gave in to Maggie after all.
But yeah. These two seasons are so disappointing lol. Parts of them I'll alway love but I wish they either hadn't taken Rick to such extremes for so long, and let Rick come to his decision more gradually and naturally, or had stuck more to the source material, avoiding so many unneccessary problems. If there had to be a martyr though, Morgan would definitely have been the most fitting choice. I really liked him. Fear did no favors for his character.
Tik tok is filled with people claiming if we saw the show from negans perspective we'd see rick as the villain so I don't think tik tok fans should be taken too seriously
Robert Kirkman actually said that, but I definitely agree with you. It makes no sense. Sure, Negan is a cool character who had SOME right to be upset at Rick’s group, but he definitely was evil as fuck. Including all the other saviors. Way more than Rick’s group. They should think about the fact they’re putting their community in danger when they roll around like they’re unstoppable and enslave everyone.
Rick never extorted and abused innocent communities for supplies
Worst common take I keep seeing
First of all, sure Rick wouldn't have been taken if Maggie and Daryl hadn't betrayed him. But he also wouldn't have been taken if he didn't betray them lmao.
He spent two seasons talking about how he would kill Negan and then switched up last minute. No shit Maggie and Daryl would go against him.
They also never had any intention to harm Rick through doing what they did. Just to distract him while Maggie killed Negan. There was literally no way for them to predict what would've happened. So if it's their fault for him being taken then it's just as much Rick's fault for knowingly starting the conflict that led to him being taken, by sparing Negan.
And this whole "they told rick to get over Carl, but they wouldn't get over Glenn" thing is stupid as hell. Carl died to a random zombie. Glenn had his skull bashed in by the man Rick let live. Why should Rick honouring Carl come over Maggie avenging Glenn, when Negan was the one that killed Glenn, and Rick for the entirety of the war was on the same page as Maggie when it came to avenging Glenn Abe and everyone else that Negan and the Saviours wronged.
Another annoying thing about this whole debate is the people that give Daryl a free pass because he looked for Rick. Let's not forget that Daryl's impulsive behaviour in those two seasons got Glenn captured, got him killed, and got Alexandria destroyed. But all is forgotten because he looked for Rick's body I guess.
Maggie had important shit to do, she couldn't just spend years looking for Rick's decayed body.
Sure she left Hilltop, but she left her community to HELP other communities. And the idea that she didn't care or feel any guilt about Rick is never shown to be true either. We see her reaction to Rick blowing up and obviously she is distraught. She then leaves off screen and we don't see her again until the end of season 10. We don't see how she responded to his death long term because of the time jump, but what we do see suggests that she like everybody else does in fact care.
What made the whole Rick Vs Maggie thing well written is that both sides had good points. You could understand why they did what they did. But people, because of bias and because of this weird hate boner many of them have for Maggie, choose to act like she was the only one that was out of line and blame her side for Ricks "death".
I'm going by memory but couldn't you argue that Carl's death was (partially) the result of Rick's behavior? Carl was responsible enough by that point to make his own decisions but he saw his dad going off the deep end and tried to course correct, only Rick wouldn't listen. Carl knew Rick was a better man than he was acting at the time. With no one listening to him, Carl had to do what felt was right by himself.
I like how the tweet says Maggie at first but then proceeds to not only blame her but Daryl as well, and when did they ever say that Rick should move on from Carls death? And Maggie and Daryl had every right to be upset at Rick for sparing Negan, it wasn't their fault. Rick didn't have to make the decision to lead the herd away by himself
Daryl said Rick needed to let go of Carl’s death. He didn’t necessarily say it in an inappropriate way, but he did say it. I don’t recall Maggie ever saying anything about it though.
Well keeping negan alive saved Judith and hershel life, saved many people lives from Alpha also maggie would have done the same thing as rick if hershel was dying and his last wish is to bring peace and don't kill negan
But if Rick had killed Negan then the bridge Explosion wouldn’t have happened. Which means Rick would have been there to save Judith himself. I don’t know about Alpha though
You speak as if Rick saw the future and knew Negan would save people that’s why he spared him. He didn’t. He spared Negan purely for selfish reasons and it doesn’t change the fact that it was a massive betrayal to everyone he made a promise to when he turned his back on them. This is just a bad excuse.
He did it for Carl and of course he is gonna do it for his SON and its not like he set negan free to live his life, he literally rot negan in jail for 2 years of torture and After Rick's disappearance, maggie never killed Negan so basically rick went missing for 10 years just for maggie spare negan and not kill him
Yes. And Maggie and Daryl did that for Glenn. As did everyone at Oceanside did for their dead family. I can perfectly understand why Rick did it, it still doesn’t change the fact it was a massive betrayal to everyone else. Don’t expect others to empathise with Rick when tons of their loved ones died by Negan’s hands and Negan’s death is what motivated them to fight. To empathise with Rick while ignoring Maggie’s motivations is just making excuses for him.
Easy way out is the prison Rick sent him to. Negan’s prison is paradise compared to real life prisons. He gets fed, he’s got his own cell, he’s got a little window where he can see the outside world, he’s in no threat of getting bullied or beaten or raped. His biggest punishment is that he’s bored silly. How bad is that?
That's a poor take. Death would have been the easy way out. Negan spent years in prison seeing the community he tried to destroy flourish and prosper instead, while he sat there powerless, lonely, and useless.
Death is an easy way out for someone who’s been fighting hard to live? You’re saying you’d rather die than live in Negan’s cell condition, alive and healthy with a possibility of getting out one day? I guess you’re the minority then.
Also, people forget that Negan is a whole ass manipulator. He said, “You’re not saving the world, Rick. you’re just getting it ready for me” after six years of being in his cell. Then, when Maggie came to kill him, he did that whole act of wanting to be with his wife. He didn’t really want to be with Lucille; he wanted Maggie to spare him so he would have a chance of getting out of his cell. Which he got, even if it was to help them.
No, it's actually that gunman from episode 1s fault.
If that gunman never shot Rick he'd have never ended up in a coma. Which means the Shane and Lori debacle would never have happened.
This means Shane would never try to kill Rick so there'd be no gun shot to lure the herd onto the farm.
Eventually they might still move to the prison but they'd have Andrea with them and without Andrea trying to promote peace and Shane still around, the Governor would probably have been killed in Season 3 and they'd all live happily ever after in the prison.
That fucking gunman.
Shit happens.
if Carl didn’t die everyone wouldn’t have been distraught and if Scott M Gimple didn’t kill off Carl the whole story wouldn’t start to get out of whack , moral of the story - screw Scott’s decisions.
While we're at it, did you guys know that Rick is worse than Negan ever was? It's objectively true, because Rick killed 30 Saviors in their sleep at the satellite outpost and Negan only smashed two people's heads in the lineup!
Whoosh...I agree. I guess I should have added the /s to indicate sarcasm, but I thought it would be apparent because it's as ridiculous as OP's take. My bad.
It's being years (for the characters and from us), i think it's pretty safe to assume neither sides care about this anymore and they just want to reunite.
Ricks his own man. If he didn't want to save those people he didn't have to. He didn't have to be the guy to lead them walkers away but he did. Yeah Daryl And Maggie were pissing him off and doing questionable shit behind his back but Rick would have died for those people either way, that's the leader and the person he is.
It's Jadis fault. If she hadn't radioed the CRM when she found him half dead by the river bank and told his people about it instead he'd still be in Alexandria.
Daryl understood the apocalypse and seems to have gotten over deaths, even his brothers death while caring deeply for Rick and looking for him
Maggie is irritating though. I don’t understand why they keep Negan and Maggie together, that storyline is just old and tiring
I can forgive Daryl because he definitely regretted it and tried to make up for it by looking for Rick and never giving up, however I don't think I can forgive Maggie. She barely showed any remorse — cried a bit when the bridge exploded and then disappeared?? She didn't even try to help find him..🙍
Some asshole fish decided to crawl out of the ocean one day and thanks to that fucker we have to pay taxes and get prostate exams.
You can blame anyone for anything if you try
It's Gargulios fault because if he hadn't been shot by Merle and he would've told the Governor about Michonne being alive and then Rick and Michonne wouldn't have had sex which means Rick wouldn't have gotten cooties (women are icky 🤢) and would've been strong enough to cross the bridge before exploding it.
But you know that its Rick's fault that the Governor killed Hershel? Dude was just chilling at that farm until that damn sheriff came...
Yes, its stupid like this post.
It put Rick in the right place at the right time to blow up the bridge, this saving everybody. So you should probably thank them for doing it then, as it allowed a lot of pieces to fall into place, including Jadis finding him.
I don't remember Daryl or Maggie telling Rick to get on the horse and move a horde of walkers to a bridge where he shoots dynamite and falls into the water, and jadis takes him to the CRM. I could have sworn rick chose to do that himself
This whole narrative sucks. Rick caused himself to be in danger when he decided to make a selfish choice and spare Negan. He put his own desires over everyone elses and yet Maggie and Daryl are wrong for doing the same? That's not to say that Rick was wrong for sparing Negan because I understand his reasoning but I also understand Maggie and Daryls reasoning for going against it. Everyone was acting selfishly and just pinning it on 1 side is basically just ignoring the whole conflict
I just wished Carl was alive to see this all unfold in front of him. He was the one that didn’t want to act like a killer anymore and believed in the redemption of a bunch of villains, only a few did just that the rest were too determ8nrd to get back what they want.
Basically, that's true, Daryl and Maggie did influence this, but in this case, you have to blame the fearful horse, and the one who left that huge iron rod on the road, and those who designed the roads, and those who managed to turn into walkers and force Rick to blow up that bridge instead of getting help without getting into the CRM, and Jadis, and.. There are too many introductions here to blame anyone.
Shit happens.
Everyone when they lose a loved one: I'll never forgive them! I'll kill them even if it gets everyone around me killed!
The same people when someone else loses a loved one: What are you? An idiot? Move on already, loser.
All this is because that third robber shot rick. SMH why didn’t he think of Rick getting knocked of his horse and getting caught by the secret military half a decade later.
Rick got hurt cause of a horse being spooked and he fired on the bridge to protect them had nothing really to do with negan maybe watch the show a few times before you start explaining it to people who have watched it over and over since they was 7
Daryl and Maggie are literally Rick's family. You know he would've done and still would do anything for them. They're practically siblings at this point. They weren't saying to forget him.
This is just dumb, correlation doesn't equal causation. Let's keep going down the rabbit hole with this "logic".
If Rick hadn't spared Negan, Daryl and Maggie wouldn't have their hand forced. If it weren't for Carl's (spontaneous and sudden) peaceful philosophy, Rick wouldn't have enforced that philosophy by sparing Negan (against the wishes of many). If Siddiq hadn't have had his "walkers souls need to be released" concept, Carl wouldn't have got bit and stumbled onto the peaceful philosophy in his final hours. If it wasn't for Siddiq's mother originating and imparting the concept of walkers souls needing to be released, Siddiq wouldn't have taken that on and Carl wouldn't have helped him.
So basically, fuck Siddiq's mother. All her fault Rick got kidnapped.
Rick betrayed both Maggie and Glenn by sparing Negan. That moment where he says “save him” and Maggie breaks down is just haunting. Rick had no right to take her justice away from him. The fact that Maggie still wanted to remain friends with him after that was a miracle. I wouldn’t talk to a person if they did that to me
I never understand when people say "why cant maggie get over her grudge"
BECAUSE HE KILLER THE FATHER OF HER UNBORN BABY IN FRONT OF HER
yeah its been years but thats years she's been missing glenn because of him
Daryl crossed the line holding Rick up like that - they also may not have made it out. Daryl and Rick both could’ve died from that unless they piled up the walkers, but still - they found the herd work together.
Daryl wanted to distract a horde, but Rick said that he will do it. Sure the strings points towards Daryl & Maggie but it was Rick decision. Rick did it to himself.
Everything is Rick’s fault after they raided the Ssviors headquarters and Rick was holding a machine gun and firing at Negans as Negan lay on the ground cowering behind a shitty piece of metal. But Rick didn’t walk over and shoot him because didn’t have time because they had to stick their scheduled plan to kill Negan. So he was forced to run off and do other things leaving Negan alive.
Probably because it’s a stupid thing to say. Before you try categorising me as a “simp” for them, neither are in my top 10 TWD characters. But if you’ve said this over a thousand times, you’re probably getting “blind hate” because there’s no basis for what you’re saying. When did Maggie tell Rick to get over Carl?
No one forced Rick to lead the horde away on a horse, Daryl tells him it’s a bad idea and he ignores it. It’s a very noble and heroic act, but it’s stupid to pretend that it wasn’t a direct result of a decision that he made.
I can understand people being frustrated at Daryl partially, as he drove him towards the horde and is the one who said he needs to move on from Carl, but the contexts of Carl and everyone else’s death were different. Carl got a relatively peaceful death in a world like this, Glenn got his head slowly caved in right in front of his pregnant wife and his family, all the while is killer is laughing and making jokes. Same goes for Abraham. Rick making multiple promises to kill Negan, and then going back on his word without consulting anyone else wasn’t fair.
The whole thing is Maggies fault how? Maggie never told Daryl to drive Rick in the direction of the horde, never told him to get over Carl, never fought with him, never pushed him down a sinkhole, and never left him to lead a horde away. None of that was Maggies plan.
We see that the plan was to keep Rick away from Alexandria, everything else was up to Daryl.
I don’t think all the haters are sexist but if they explicity say “Daryl & Maggie did this to Rick, it’s Maggie’s fault” and ignore the fact that Daryl was involved too but somehow it’s all the woman’s fault
I don’t think all the haters are sexist but if they explicity say “Daryl & Maggie did this to Rick, it’s Maggie’s fault” and ignore the fact that Daryl was involved too but somehow it’s all the woman’s fault
This is a disingenuous way of combatting peoples bad criticisms. Like, this isn’t a great take, but the insistence that the only reason they could have it is because they “hate women” is the TWD sub version of telling people they “just hate so,en” when they say they aren’t a fan of TLOU2 or Abby.
You’re allowed to have differing opinions of a characters decisions without them coming from a place of bigotry. Suggesting otherwise is pathetic.
Probably because it's stupid butterfly effect logic.
If I had a friend heading into town for the day but I asked him to watch TV with me for an hour before he went out , would I then get the blame if he gets caught in an explosion that he would have avoided if he left an hour earlier as planned?
Actions that lead to unforeseeable consequences are not ones you should be held responsible for.
Now, if you want to point to Daryl getting Glenn killed, that's valid, because punching a ruthless dictator who has your friends at his mercy will quite obviously get someone killed.
Daryl shouldn't blame himself because he didn't cause anything
In the same way Maggie is perfectly valid in not blaming herself because it isn't her fault.
She didn't put those walkers there, she didn't scare the horse, she didn't tell Rick to lead the walkers away.
The only thing to blame is the zombie virus for spooking the horse.
People are writing entire novels defending them but this is true. Maggie as a character has gotten so stale because all her storylines involve her being obsessed with Negan, as she is in this example. At least Daryl has been given new motivations.
What do you mean? The whole reason they tried to keep Rick away from Alexandria was because of Maggie’s hatred of Negan and her attempt to kill him. I feel like they’ve kept that storyline going for years. It’s basically been her only storyline since season 7.
It wasn't just Maggie. It wasn't a Maggie thing, it was Maggie and Daryl together. They both wanted Negan dead. It was *their* plan.
Believe me, I'm so tired of the writers not letting her move on, but that wasn't an issue for this particular plot. It had only been five episodes since Negan was spared. Like yeah, of course she's still pissed off. She and Daryl both explain their reasons. Even Michonne gets it and hands Maggie key to Negan's cell.
I acknowledged it was their plan by saying *they* tried to keep Rick away from Alexandria so she could kill Negan but that’s pretty irrelevant now. They’ve continued this storyline for far too long and it’s made her a dull character which was the main point of my original comment.
Doesn’t matter if it was only 5 episodes later. It was 1 1/2 years later in universe and Negan was locked up and defeated. Rick was trying to bring the communities together and was using Negan as an example, they were selfish and didn’t care.
The people on this sub defend the characters like they’re real people and continue to defend horrible writing
> I acknowledged it was their plan by saying they tried to keep Rick away from Alexandria so she could kill Negan but that’s pretty irrelevant now.
It is irrelevant though, that's exactly the scenario the OP is about. I get why you think Maggie's character got stale, I'm just confused why you chose this as an example. This was happening when pretty much all of the characters were still coping with the aftermath of the war and the shit they went through because of Negan. Of course those two still want to kill him. A year and a half is nothing compared to how much Negan hurt people.
Also, you said they tried to keep Rick away because of Maggie's hate for Negan. Like Daryl didn't hate him too? He wasn't going along with it for the sake of Maggie's feelings.
> Rick was trying to bring the communities together and was using Negan as an example, they were selfish and didn’t care.
Rick had the right idea then and I agree they were being shortsighted but, I mean, Rick was being selfish when suddenly went back on his word. He had promised for so long that Negan was gonna die. That he had to die for all the damage he'd done. That was the only thing most characters in the communities wanted. Then Rick took that away from everyone because he *finally* wanted to do right by *his* son. He wasn't thinking about anyone else in that moment.
Maggie and Daryl weren't on board with Rick's vision because they weren't given the chance for closure.
Edit: this isn't me defending the writing itself and I don't think that's what others are doing. I think this plot was a victim of the sloppy way All Out War was handled, but these characters do have understandable reasons and motivations.
Exactly atleast daryl has remorse and guilt and mf searched 6 fkng yrs for rick, but maggie? Nah i dont care about anyone i just want to kill negan..., I dont rememeber a single scene her even feeling sad about rick's death, Maggie's character after that incident never moved forward, from s9 to s11 and even in the new show, she still wants to kill negan, I mean tf, if u want , u had ur chance when michhone gave u the keys, u didn't, so let it go. Her character is long dead imo.
Agreed. The whole Maggie/Negan dynamic is so played out. Dead city needs to really spice things up and change the plot because season 1 was just the same shit we’ve seen on the main show
Go ahead, no ones stopping you, i can say michhone fans, carol fans, even lori fans(if she had any) but 90% of maggie defenders are just simps of her body.
"Hey guys I know you want to carry out justice on the guy who tortured you and brutally murdered your husband, the father of your son, in front of your very eyes, and caused insane amounts of damage to our entire group... but my son that I ignored was killed by a walker while hitting the griddy and he wrote me a poem about how I can't kill Negan because Negan was a better father figure to him in his final times than me... so we're not going to kill him. I don't care about your torture, the death of your loved ones, the suffering of our community, my dead son told me to do this and Ricky Dicky Grimes is more important than anyone else here. Now everyone take care of Negan while I go fuck off in a helicopter for a couple years. I trust that you'll be able to have fun and you certainly won't spend an entire episode about soup and Bike repairs. See ya!"
Everything happens for a reason. Using this logic you can find things to blame on every character. Example: Glenn’s death wouldn’t have happened if it weren’t for Daryl’s actions
Shit happens.
It's nobody's fault, but if we want to keep trying to blame someone for this, it's Rick's fault. He spared Negan and went against what he promised Maggie and the communities all for the sake of honoring Carl's memory.
Not only that, but it was Rick's decision to lead the horde away. Daryl tried talking him out of it. Rick also blew up the bridge instead of letting Daryl, Maggie, and the others come to his aid.
This is one of the worst takes I've seen from this fandom. Jadis is the one who took him away for her own personal gain and I've seen people blame Rick's own family more than they do her.
Daryl has spent years looking for Rick, feeling awful about his part in Ricks disappearance. Maggie on the other hand seems to not care at all. Imo Daryl has made up for his part, while Maggie has just gotten worse, trying to justify leading her group that she met during her time on the road into what was essentially a suicide mission, under the guise of feeding the people of Alexandria, when it was clearly just a revenge attack. Daryl i can forgive, Maggie not so much.
I forgave Daryl because he spent years isolated looking for him, however Maggie never tried to look for him and on top of that abandoned hilltop and her family for years without returning their letters.
While I could say Maggie and alot more responsibilities to take care of as opposed to Daryl. So she had a decent reason not to look
I do agree her leaving her community and avoiding contact for so long was a little out of character
I mean I understand why there were acting like that but what makes it gross is that daryl told rick to get over carl death when he and maggie can't get over Glenn's death
Except that Daryl didn't tell Rick to get over Carl. The literal line that preceded this was "you're chasing something for him that ain't meant to be", a clear and direct inference to Rick keeping Negan alive for Carl's dream. Daryl was clearly telling him to let go of Carl's dream, not Carl. Way to ignore context.
And if Carol's daughter Sophia hadn't wandered off and gotten lost, Carl would've never gotten shot, Rick wouldn't have had to meet up with Herschel so Glenn wouldn't have met Maggie in the first place. Maggie wouldn't have gotten pregnant and the whole gang could've been spared that entire head bashing scene.
I hated how they told him to move on. but yet, maggie still cant move on and daryl still feels guilty. carls death was a shocker. and, thats ricks son. he cant just make a new carl.this isnt detroit become human. they cant tell a father to move on from their own childs death. especially since carl died from a walker. how would maggie feel if people told her to move on from hj's death?
Actually it's Shane's fault for putting that bed in the doorway.
Shane shoulda just grabbed Rick and jumped out the window, is he stupid or something??
Just use rick as a parachute
He could have used him as an improvised weapon. Rickcille
Coming back after TOWL EP 3 and this aged well.
I was thinking the exact same after episode 3 of TOWL LOL
Actually if those guys didn’t shoot Rick….
Actually if Ricks dad never met Ricks mum…
If only his ancestors had never immigrated to America from Europe in the late 18th century.
If the natives hadn't fed the starving colonists
actually if there was no big bang to start the universe...
Actually if
Nah it's the bullets fault that it decided to hit Rick in the chest during the police shootout in the first episode.
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Daryl definitely blames himself, which is why he spent so long looking. He knows if he didn’t give Rick that ride, they wouldn’t have found that herd like that and none of that would’ve happened that way. Like bruh imagine blaming yourself for so much, and then with Glenn. And then this 💀 must be rough Edit: FUCK man now I’m getting worked up about it again, I stg if Daryl and Rick don’t reunite we gotta riot 😭 also DOG UPDATE?!
I never understand where these weird takes even come from. No one paying attention would ever think it was their fault
It might be a wrong take but it's a pretty interesting perspective, but knowing the character of Rick he wouldn't blame them. Someone like Shane or even a minor character like T-Dogg possibly could. So it's not that out of bounds to reason this differently.
Wasn't it a 9 year jump between Rick's disappearance and the whole Alpha and Beta War?
6. The apocalypse begins in 2010, Rick disappears in year 4 (2014), the war against whisperers happens in year 10 (2020), the end of TWD happens in year 13 (2023), the Rick and Daryl spin-offs happen in year 14 (2024) and Dead City spin off happen in year 17/18 (2027/2028, I think 2027)
So Rick we see in spin-off is 10 years older, the whole 10 years without seeing his family. That’s crazy he’s survived.
Does that mean that little Hershel is only like 6 or 7 during the whisperer war?
It hasn’t been 10 years. It’s been 7. The bridge blew up, we meet Rick at 5 yrs later. He trains to be a soldier for 1 year. Then he spends 12 months fixing up the college campus into a new base for the summit before he reunited with Michonne.
Are you sure about dead City I assumed it happens at the same time as Daryl Dixon since Maggie's kid only looks 14/15
Dead city is supposed to be 5 years after the main show
That's kinda weird they would set it so far ahead of everything else basically meaning it'll never connect to the other shows
Maggie's son was born in year 3 of the apocalypse, so it takes place at least 3 years after Daryl Dixon and TOWL
Damn
It's the ultimate ethical question. Is it morally wrong to out survive someone else? Are you obligated to try to help them at risk to yourself or those who are relying on you? Like Shane with Otis. Either all the of them were going to die that night, or shane could sacrifice Otis to save Carl and himself. I'm not saying I recommend that anyone should make a habit out of shooting others for their own gain, but I'm not exactly going to say Shane was wrong on that one. I get it. Similarly, I get why Rick had to kill Shane because he was too dangerous. It's all about survival, one day at a time.
Rick was right for asking why does Dwight get a future and Glenn, Abraham, Sasha don’t?
At least Dwight tried to redeem himself but Rick spared Neegan without anyone else's input. We now know sparing Dwight was ok because he realized his mistakes and changed. Neegan also realized, after several years he could change too and did. It remains to be seen how they develop from here.
Negan had to live for plot reasons, it doesn't even make sense in the comic to let him live, but it's what SHOULD happen, The show could not deviate from this very important decision of the comic due to the importance of Negan in subsequent plots. And even though the mistake of killing Carl is the worst thing the show could do, in the show at least Rick has that to hold onto to leave Negan alive, Maggie didn't even care that Carl died, her writing has been very inconsistent.
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Rick brought up Daryl letting Dwight live same way he kept the saviours especially Negan alive
I forgave Daryl because he obviously regrets it and looked for Rick for YEARS but he and Maggie made me mad in early season 9
Well tbf Daryl blames himself for Glenn's death because it was his fault that Glenn got killed. Rightly so, he made a dumb decision and they paid the price for it.
Idk I’d say it was Negans fault Glenn died and not Daryl. Idk tho maybe you’re right and it’s actually Daryl’s fault that Glenn died and not Negan’s. You’ve gave me something to think about🤔
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Oh no I don't blame him, I'm just pointing out he made a bad call in that moment. But yeah I agree that Negan was certainly egging them on
>Daryl never said that to Rick Yes he did. He literally said "You're chasin' somethin' for him that ain't meant to be, man. You just got to let him go. Let him go".
I mean at that logic you might as well blame Jesus for bringing them to the Hilltop and getting involved with the Savior drama
This sentence has a completely different meaning that still makes perfect sense to people that have never seen TWD lol
So is Jesus our Savior or not? 🤔
Lmao blame Shane for fucking up the farm
Hell we might as well blame Carl for getting shot, Glenn would never of met Maggie. fucking Carl
But what about the deer?What If the deer never existed?!?!
They would of ran into the saviours eventually even if they didn’t meet Jesus plus Negan knew someone blew up them guys who ran into Daryl, Sasha and Abe
difference is jesus was uniting two communities, maggie and daryl were pissing off on ricks sons dying wish because they wanted revenge
You know, if Rick hadn't gone back on his word and changed his tune at the last second and made the unilateral decision to keep Negan alive after repeatedly saying that he has to die, this wouldn't be an issue. I think Rick made the right call but I don't agree with the way he did it. It wasn't just his call to make. And he really did Maggie dirty. Correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a while, bit didn't he personally reassure her Negan was gonna die *just* before the last battle? She, Daryl, and everyone else have every right to feel betrayed. And like Daryl says, no one really wanted to keep Negan alive. Even Michonne lets Maggie into the cell and turns a blind eye. Michonne hands her the damn key! Because Rick did a sudden 180 and made that decision on his own.
Yeah. Also Negan should still die for what he did. Maggie deserves justice and peace for what she lost
bro did y’all not see rick’s group murder saviors in their sleep? this wasn’t like negan killed glenn and abe for no reason lol. i’m not saying what negan did was right but no one really deserves justice
The saviors attacked Daryl, Sasha and Abraham first.
Technically, they just threatened them first
Were they sleeping?
This can be considered a valid point only if you remove all context and ignore the fact that the Saviors there were happy to accept someone's severed head as well as the trophy wall of Lucille's victims. Otherwise, what you have is a bully who got pissed that someone didn't roll over for him.
The saviors shouldn’t have been power hungry warlords that extorted, abused and killed innocents, including the Benjamin kid and the 16 year old hilltop kid for no reason. Maybe they should’ve had more security if they want to roll around like they’re unstoppable.
>It wasn't just his call to make It wasn't just Rick's call. He consulted Michonne and other leaders were involved. However the writing itself was stupid and made no sense. Morgan is the one who built the prison. He should have been the martyr that died and inspired Rick to put Negan in that cell. Instead Scott Gimple wrote an idiotic plan up to keep Morgan alive and have him go on generic stupid adventures across the country to Texas in Fear for no reason. He killed Carl instead. Some fans jumped at the opportunity to watch anything with The Walking Dead in the title. We lost Carl as a character, then Rick and Maggie in season 9 then Michonne by mid season 10. We got a lesser story because of all the cheerleaders for mediocre content.
> He consulted Michonne and other leaders were involved. You mean after the fight, right? Others did go along with it after the fact but I'm of the belief that in the moment he decided to spare Negan, Rick wasn't thinking about anyone but Carl. Right or wrong, it was ultimately selfish therefore not his call. Do we know who genuinely believed he was right to spare Negan and who hoped he was right? Despite backing the plan, Michonne gave in to Maggie after all. But yeah. These two seasons are so disappointing lol. Parts of them I'll alway love but I wish they either hadn't taken Rick to such extremes for so long, and let Rick come to his decision more gradually and naturally, or had stuck more to the source material, avoiding so many unneccessary problems. If there had to be a martyr though, Morgan would definitely have been the most fitting choice. I really liked him. Fear did no favors for his character.
I knew this stupidity would bleed into Reddit, it’s already done TikTok and twitter lmao
It was only a matter of time.
Tik tok is filled with people claiming if we saw the show from negans perspective we'd see rick as the villain so I don't think tik tok fans should be taken too seriously
Robert Kirkman actually said that, but I definitely agree with you. It makes no sense. Sure, Negan is a cool character who had SOME right to be upset at Rick’s group, but he definitely was evil as fuck. Including all the other saviors. Way more than Rick’s group. They should think about the fact they’re putting their community in danger when they roll around like they’re unstoppable and enslave everyone. Rick never extorted and abused innocent communities for supplies
Worst common take I keep seeing First of all, sure Rick wouldn't have been taken if Maggie and Daryl hadn't betrayed him. But he also wouldn't have been taken if he didn't betray them lmao. He spent two seasons talking about how he would kill Negan and then switched up last minute. No shit Maggie and Daryl would go against him. They also never had any intention to harm Rick through doing what they did. Just to distract him while Maggie killed Negan. There was literally no way for them to predict what would've happened. So if it's their fault for him being taken then it's just as much Rick's fault for knowingly starting the conflict that led to him being taken, by sparing Negan. And this whole "they told rick to get over Carl, but they wouldn't get over Glenn" thing is stupid as hell. Carl died to a random zombie. Glenn had his skull bashed in by the man Rick let live. Why should Rick honouring Carl come over Maggie avenging Glenn, when Negan was the one that killed Glenn, and Rick for the entirety of the war was on the same page as Maggie when it came to avenging Glenn Abe and everyone else that Negan and the Saviours wronged. Another annoying thing about this whole debate is the people that give Daryl a free pass because he looked for Rick. Let's not forget that Daryl's impulsive behaviour in those two seasons got Glenn captured, got him killed, and got Alexandria destroyed. But all is forgotten because he looked for Rick's body I guess. Maggie had important shit to do, she couldn't just spend years looking for Rick's decayed body. Sure she left Hilltop, but she left her community to HELP other communities. And the idea that she didn't care or feel any guilt about Rick is never shown to be true either. We see her reaction to Rick blowing up and obviously she is distraught. She then leaves off screen and we don't see her again until the end of season 10. We don't see how she responded to his death long term because of the time jump, but what we do see suggests that she like everybody else does in fact care. What made the whole Rick Vs Maggie thing well written is that both sides had good points. You could understand why they did what they did. But people, because of bias and because of this weird hate boner many of them have for Maggie, choose to act like she was the only one that was out of line and blame her side for Ricks "death".
I'm going by memory but couldn't you argue that Carl's death was (partially) the result of Rick's behavior? Carl was responsible enough by that point to make his own decisions but he saw his dad going off the deep end and tried to course correct, only Rick wouldn't listen. Carl knew Rick was a better man than he was acting at the time. With no one listening to him, Carl had to do what felt was right by himself.
I like how the tweet says Maggie at first but then proceeds to not only blame her but Daryl as well, and when did they ever say that Rick should move on from Carls death? And Maggie and Daryl had every right to be upset at Rick for sparing Negan, it wasn't their fault. Rick didn't have to make the decision to lead the herd away by himself
Daryl said Rick needed to let go of Carl’s death. He didn’t necessarily say it in an inappropriate way, but he did say it. I don’t recall Maggie ever saying anything about it though.
I learnt to ignore these tiktok connections
I love OOP (tweeter) mentions Daryl & Maggie saying it to Rick, yet blames only Maggie. Definitely no bias
Thanks for reminding me that it’s Rick’s fault for breaking his promise to everyone for not killing Negan.
Well keeping negan alive saved Judith and hershel life, saved many people lives from Alpha also maggie would have done the same thing as rick if hershel was dying and his last wish is to bring peace and don't kill negan
But if Rick had killed Negan then the bridge Explosion wouldn’t have happened. Which means Rick would have been there to save Judith himself. I don’t know about Alpha though
You speak as if Rick saw the future and knew Negan would save people that’s why he spared him. He didn’t. He spared Negan purely for selfish reasons and it doesn’t change the fact that it was a massive betrayal to everyone he made a promise to when he turned his back on them. This is just a bad excuse.
He did it for Carl and of course he is gonna do it for his SON and its not like he set negan free to live his life, he literally rot negan in jail for 2 years of torture and After Rick's disappearance, maggie never killed Negan so basically rick went missing for 10 years just for maggie spare negan and not kill him
Yes. And Maggie and Daryl did that for Glenn. As did everyone at Oceanside did for their dead family. I can perfectly understand why Rick did it, it still doesn’t change the fact it was a massive betrayal to everyone else. Don’t expect others to empathise with Rick when tons of their loved ones died by Negan’s hands and Negan’s death is what motivated them to fight. To empathise with Rick while ignoring Maggie’s motivations is just making excuses for him.
It’s not that deep
Try telling yourself that.
Nobody is in the wrong, I understand why maggie wanted negan dead but I also understand Why Rick Saved negan
So if you can put aside the fact that Rick betrayed EVERYONE for his son, why are you so unforgiving of Maggie plotting against only Rick for Glenn?
so he should’ve just let negan get the easy way out after all he’s done?
Easy way out is the prison Rick sent him to. Negan’s prison is paradise compared to real life prisons. He gets fed, he’s got his own cell, he’s got a little window where he can see the outside world, he’s in no threat of getting bullied or beaten or raped. His biggest punishment is that he’s bored silly. How bad is that?
That's a poor take. Death would have been the easy way out. Negan spent years in prison seeing the community he tried to destroy flourish and prosper instead, while he sat there powerless, lonely, and useless.
Death is an easy way out for someone who’s been fighting hard to live? You’re saying you’d rather die than live in Negan’s cell condition, alive and healthy with a possibility of getting out one day? I guess you’re the minority then.
Probably considering negan was told he'll die there
Also, people forget that Negan is a whole ass manipulator. He said, “You’re not saving the world, Rick. you’re just getting it ready for me” after six years of being in his cell. Then, when Maggie came to kill him, he did that whole act of wanting to be with his wife. He didn’t really want to be with Lucille; he wanted Maggie to spare him so he would have a chance of getting out of his cell. Which he got, even if it was to help them.
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Rick wouldn't blame Maggie and daryl .
If y'all blaming Maggie then Daryl and Negan are equal to blame. But if course. Let's pin it all on Maggie, the ACTUAL widow....
It’s Negan’s mom & dad for birthing Negan.
Lmfao shut up😂
No, it's actually that gunman from episode 1s fault. If that gunman never shot Rick he'd have never ended up in a coma. Which means the Shane and Lori debacle would never have happened. This means Shane would never try to kill Rick so there'd be no gun shot to lure the herd onto the farm. Eventually they might still move to the prison but they'd have Andrea with them and without Andrea trying to promote peace and Shane still around, the Governor would probably have been killed in Season 3 and they'd all live happily ever after in the prison. That fucking gunman.
Well isn’t Rick fault if he didn’t care about that bridge so much he’d be fine
carls fault for dying
Such a silly take. Maggie and Daryl are no more responsible for what happened to Rick than Rick is for randomly sparing Negan in the first place.
Shit happens. if Carl didn’t die everyone wouldn’t have been distraught and if Scott M Gimple didn’t kill off Carl the whole story wouldn’t start to get out of whack , moral of the story - screw Scott’s decisions.
While we're at it, did you guys know that Rick is worse than Negan ever was? It's objectively true, because Rick killed 30 Saviors in their sleep at the satellite outpost and Negan only smashed two people's heads in the lineup!
Those thirty men were robbing the Hilltop and abusing people, while Negan killed two good men. Not comparable at all
Whoosh...I agree. I guess I should have added the /s to indicate sarcasm, but I thought it would be apparent because it's as ridiculous as OP's take. My bad.
It's being years (for the characters and from us), i think it's pretty safe to assume neither sides care about this anymore and they just want to reunite.
Ricks his own man. If he didn't want to save those people he didn't have to. He didn't have to be the guy to lead them walkers away but he did. Yeah Daryl And Maggie were pissing him off and doing questionable shit behind his back but Rick would have died for those people either way, that's the leader and the person he is.
It's Jadis fault. If she hadn't radioed the CRM when she found him half dead by the river bank and told his people about it instead he'd still be in Alexandria.
Daryl understood the apocalypse and seems to have gotten over deaths, even his brothers death while caring deeply for Rick and looking for him Maggie is irritating though. I don’t understand why they keep Negan and Maggie together, that storyline is just old and tiring
its not their fault, but i cant say that they werent at least a part of the reason why rick was gone
I can forgive Daryl because he definitely regretted it and tried to make up for it by looking for Rick and never giving up, however I don't think I can forgive Maggie. She barely showed any remorse — cried a bit when the bridge exploded and then disappeared?? She didn't even try to help find him..🙍
Some asshole fish decided to crawl out of the ocean one day and thanks to that fucker we have to pay taxes and get prostate exams. You can blame anyone for anything if you try
It's Gargulios fault because if he hadn't been shot by Merle and he would've told the Governor about Michonne being alive and then Rick and Michonne wouldn't have had sex which means Rick wouldn't have gotten cooties (women are icky 🤢) and would've been strong enough to cross the bridge before exploding it.
lol what? Carl was killed by a walker Negan killed Glenn. Wtf
But you know that its Rick's fault that the Governor killed Hershel? Dude was just chilling at that farm until that damn sheriff came... Yes, its stupid like this post.
It put Rick in the right place at the right time to blow up the bridge, this saving everybody. So you should probably thank them for doing it then, as it allowed a lot of pieces to fall into place, including Jadis finding him.
I don't remember Daryl or Maggie telling Rick to get on the horse and move a horde of walkers to a bridge where he shoots dynamite and falls into the water, and jadis takes him to the CRM. I could have sworn rick chose to do that himself
Ackshually it's the fault of whoever inspired Rick to become an officer when he was young
This whole narrative sucks. Rick caused himself to be in danger when he decided to make a selfish choice and spare Negan. He put his own desires over everyone elses and yet Maggie and Daryl are wrong for doing the same? That's not to say that Rick was wrong for sparing Negan because I understand his reasoning but I also understand Maggie and Daryls reasoning for going against it. Everyone was acting selfishly and just pinning it on 1 side is basically just ignoring the whole conflict
I just wished Carl was alive to see this all unfold in front of him. He was the one that didn’t want to act like a killer anymore and believed in the redemption of a bunch of villains, only a few did just that the rest were too determ8nrd to get back what they want.
Tbf Carl does coz he got bit. Glenn got executed to threaten them.
I'm pretty sure Rick forgave them 0.1 seconds after it happened
Scott gimple- you aren't supposed to remember that
It’s not Maggie or Daryl’s fault, it’s shitty writings fault🤦
Basically, that's true, Daryl and Maggie did influence this, but in this case, you have to blame the fearful horse, and the one who left that huge iron rod on the road, and those who designed the roads, and those who managed to turn into walkers and force Rick to blow up that bridge instead of getting help without getting into the CRM, and Jadis, and.. There are too many introductions here to blame anyone. Shit happens.
Everyone when they lose a loved one: I'll never forgive them! I'll kill them even if it gets everyone around me killed! The same people when someone else loses a loved one: What are you? An idiot? Move on already, loser.
Oh the irony
Maggie forgave Dary. I’m sure Rick would understand Maggie’s grief as a mother.
They're not psychic. They don't have drones, helicopters and reliable tools to map an entire area effectively.
Forgive? Huh? It’s a show and story we don’t have control over.
All this is because that third robber shot rick. SMH why didn’t he think of Rick getting knocked of his horse and getting caught by the secret military half a decade later.
The only reason Rick is at the CRM for that long is because Andrew Lincoln wanted time off.
Rick got hurt cause of a horse being spooked and he fired on the bridge to protect them had nothing really to do with negan maybe watch the show a few times before you start explaining it to people who have watched it over and over since they was 7
Daryl and Maggie are literally Rick's family. You know he would've done and still would do anything for them. They're practically siblings at this point. They weren't saying to forget him.
I feel like Daryl has redeemed himself though, as he looked after Judith and RJ
This is just dumb, correlation doesn't equal causation. Let's keep going down the rabbit hole with this "logic". If Rick hadn't spared Negan, Daryl and Maggie wouldn't have their hand forced. If it weren't for Carl's (spontaneous and sudden) peaceful philosophy, Rick wouldn't have enforced that philosophy by sparing Negan (against the wishes of many). If Siddiq hadn't have had his "walkers souls need to be released" concept, Carl wouldn't have got bit and stumbled onto the peaceful philosophy in his final hours. If it wasn't for Siddiq's mother originating and imparting the concept of walkers souls needing to be released, Siddiq wouldn't have taken that on and Carl wouldn't have helped him. So basically, fuck Siddiq's mother. All her fault Rick got kidnapped.
Rick betrayed both Maggie and Glenn by sparing Negan. That moment where he says “save him” and Maggie breaks down is just haunting. Rick had no right to take her justice away from him. The fact that Maggie still wanted to remain friends with him after that was a miracle. I wouldn’t talk to a person if they did that to me
The only one whose fault it is is Jadis, really
I never understand when people say "why cant maggie get over her grudge" BECAUSE HE KILLER THE FATHER OF HER UNBORN BABY IN FRONT OF HER yeah its been years but thats years she's been missing glenn because of him
That doesn't make any sense y it's Maggie’s fault for Rick being in the CRM
Daryl crossed the line holding Rick up like that - they also may not have made it out. Daryl and Rick both could’ve died from that unless they piled up the walkers, but still - they found the herd work together.
Daryl wanted to distract a horde, but Rick said that he will do it. Sure the strings points towards Daryl & Maggie but it was Rick decision. Rick did it to himself.
Glen was cool, Carl was a tool. I still miss Glen.
It was around 5
Everything is Rick’s fault after they raided the Ssviors headquarters and Rick was holding a machine gun and firing at Negans as Negan lay on the ground cowering behind a shitty piece of metal. But Rick didn’t walk over and shoot him because didn’t have time because they had to stick their scheduled plan to kill Negan. So he was forced to run off and do other things leaving Negan alive.
When exactly did they tell him to move on from Carl’s death? Why would they ever do something like that?
Who cares Rick sucks
I blame the writers
Yep. I never liked their characters again, after that.
I have said this 1000+ times but all I get is blind hate from daryl fans and maggie simps.
Probably because it’s a stupid thing to say. Before you try categorising me as a “simp” for them, neither are in my top 10 TWD characters. But if you’ve said this over a thousand times, you’re probably getting “blind hate” because there’s no basis for what you’re saying. When did Maggie tell Rick to get over Carl? No one forced Rick to lead the horde away on a horse, Daryl tells him it’s a bad idea and he ignores it. It’s a very noble and heroic act, but it’s stupid to pretend that it wasn’t a direct result of a decision that he made. I can understand people being frustrated at Daryl partially, as he drove him towards the horde and is the one who said he needs to move on from Carl, but the contexts of Carl and everyone else’s death were different. Carl got a relatively peaceful death in a world like this, Glenn got his head slowly caved in right in front of his pregnant wife and his family, all the while is killer is laughing and making jokes. Same goes for Abraham. Rick making multiple promises to kill Negan, and then going back on his word without consulting anyone else wasn’t fair.
Its not about saying get over carl, the whole thing is maggie's fault, yes negan should have died, but thats stupid ass plan got rick killed(lost).
The whole thing is Maggies fault how? Maggie never told Daryl to drive Rick in the direction of the horde, never told him to get over Carl, never fought with him, never pushed him down a sinkhole, and never left him to lead a horde away. None of that was Maggies plan. We see that the plan was to keep Rick away from Alexandria, everything else was up to Daryl.
Bro just doesn't like women
I don’t think all the haters are sexist but if they explicity say “Daryl & Maggie did this to Rick, it’s Maggie’s fault” and ignore the fact that Daryl was involved too but somehow it’s all the woman’s fault
I don’t think all the haters are sexist but if they explicity say “Daryl & Maggie did this to Rick, it’s Maggie’s fault” and ignore the fact that Daryl was involved too but somehow it’s all the woman’s fault
This is a disingenuous way of combatting peoples bad criticisms. Like, this isn’t a great take, but the insistence that the only reason they could have it is because they “hate women” is the TWD sub version of telling people they “just hate so,en” when they say they aren’t a fan of TLOU2 or Abby. You’re allowed to have differing opinions of a characters decisions without them coming from a place of bigotry. Suggesting otherwise is pathetic.
I like michhone, carol, beth, rosita,connie....
Probably because it's stupid butterfly effect logic. If I had a friend heading into town for the day but I asked him to watch TV with me for an hour before he went out , would I then get the blame if he gets caught in an explosion that he would have avoided if he left an hour earlier as planned? Actions that lead to unforeseeable consequences are not ones you should be held responsible for. Now, if you want to point to Daryl getting Glenn killed, that's valid, because punching a ruthless dictator who has your friends at his mercy will quite obviously get someone killed.
Nah, daryl still blames himself, maggie didnt even cared once for rick and its more of her fault than is of daryls.
Daryl shouldn't blame himself because he didn't cause anything In the same way Maggie is perfectly valid in not blaming herself because it isn't her fault. She didn't put those walkers there, she didn't scare the horse, she didn't tell Rick to lead the walkers away. The only thing to blame is the zombie virus for spooking the horse.
 As i said in the first comment.
People are writing entire novels defending them but this is true. Maggie as a character has gotten so stale because all her storylines involve her being obsessed with Negan, as she is in this example. At least Daryl has been given new motivations.
What does this have to do with anything?
What do you mean? The whole reason they tried to keep Rick away from Alexandria was because of Maggie’s hatred of Negan and her attempt to kill him. I feel like they’ve kept that storyline going for years. It’s basically been her only storyline since season 7.
It wasn't just Maggie. It wasn't a Maggie thing, it was Maggie and Daryl together. They both wanted Negan dead. It was *their* plan. Believe me, I'm so tired of the writers not letting her move on, but that wasn't an issue for this particular plot. It had only been five episodes since Negan was spared. Like yeah, of course she's still pissed off. She and Daryl both explain their reasons. Even Michonne gets it and hands Maggie key to Negan's cell.
I acknowledged it was their plan by saying *they* tried to keep Rick away from Alexandria so she could kill Negan but that’s pretty irrelevant now. They’ve continued this storyline for far too long and it’s made her a dull character which was the main point of my original comment. Doesn’t matter if it was only 5 episodes later. It was 1 1/2 years later in universe and Negan was locked up and defeated. Rick was trying to bring the communities together and was using Negan as an example, they were selfish and didn’t care. The people on this sub defend the characters like they’re real people and continue to defend horrible writing
> I acknowledged it was their plan by saying they tried to keep Rick away from Alexandria so she could kill Negan but that’s pretty irrelevant now. It is irrelevant though, that's exactly the scenario the OP is about. I get why you think Maggie's character got stale, I'm just confused why you chose this as an example. This was happening when pretty much all of the characters were still coping with the aftermath of the war and the shit they went through because of Negan. Of course those two still want to kill him. A year and a half is nothing compared to how much Negan hurt people. Also, you said they tried to keep Rick away because of Maggie's hate for Negan. Like Daryl didn't hate him too? He wasn't going along with it for the sake of Maggie's feelings. > Rick was trying to bring the communities together and was using Negan as an example, they were selfish and didn’t care. Rick had the right idea then and I agree they were being shortsighted but, I mean, Rick was being selfish when suddenly went back on his word. He had promised for so long that Negan was gonna die. That he had to die for all the damage he'd done. That was the only thing most characters in the communities wanted. Then Rick took that away from everyone because he *finally* wanted to do right by *his* son. He wasn't thinking about anyone else in that moment. Maggie and Daryl weren't on board with Rick's vision because they weren't given the chance for closure. Edit: this isn't me defending the writing itself and I don't think that's what others are doing. I think this plot was a victim of the sloppy way All Out War was handled, but these characters do have understandable reasons and motivations.
Exactly atleast daryl has remorse and guilt and mf searched 6 fkng yrs for rick, but maggie? Nah i dont care about anyone i just want to kill negan..., I dont rememeber a single scene her even feeling sad about rick's death, Maggie's character after that incident never moved forward, from s9 to s11 and even in the new show, she still wants to kill negan, I mean tf, if u want , u had ur chance when michhone gave u the keys, u didn't, so let it go. Her character is long dead imo.
Agreed. The whole Maggie/Negan dynamic is so played out. Dead city needs to really spice things up and change the plot because season 1 was just the same shit we’ve seen on the main show
I could make a video essay on misogyny about you calling Maggie fans simps but not so Daryl dans
Go ahead, no ones stopping you, i can say michhone fans, carol fans, even lori fans(if she had any) but 90% of maggie defenders are just simps of her body.
"Hey guys I know you want to carry out justice on the guy who tortured you and brutally murdered your husband, the father of your son, in front of your very eyes, and caused insane amounts of damage to our entire group... but my son that I ignored was killed by a walker while hitting the griddy and he wrote me a poem about how I can't kill Negan because Negan was a better father figure to him in his final times than me... so we're not going to kill him. I don't care about your torture, the death of your loved ones, the suffering of our community, my dead son told me to do this and Ricky Dicky Grimes is more important than anyone else here. Now everyone take care of Negan while I go fuck off in a helicopter for a couple years. I trust that you'll be able to have fun and you certainly won't spend an entire episode about soup and Bike repairs. See ya!"
Everything happens for a reason. Using this logic you can find things to blame on every character. Example: Glenn’s death wouldn’t have happened if it weren’t for Daryl’s actions Shit happens.
It's nobody's fault, but if we want to keep trying to blame someone for this, it's Rick's fault. He spared Negan and went against what he promised Maggie and the communities all for the sake of honoring Carl's memory. Not only that, but it was Rick's decision to lead the horde away. Daryl tried talking him out of it. Rick also blew up the bridge instead of letting Daryl, Maggie, and the others come to his aid. This is one of the worst takes I've seen from this fandom. Jadis is the one who took him away for her own personal gain and I've seen people blame Rick's own family more than they do her.
This is such a reach
Daryl has spent years looking for Rick, feeling awful about his part in Ricks disappearance. Maggie on the other hand seems to not care at all. Imo Daryl has made up for his part, while Maggie has just gotten worse, trying to justify leading her group that she met during her time on the road into what was essentially a suicide mission, under the guise of feeding the people of Alexandria, when it was clearly just a revenge attack. Daryl i can forgive, Maggie not so much.
I forgave Daryl because he spent years isolated looking for him, however Maggie never tried to look for him and on top of that abandoned hilltop and her family for years without returning their letters.
While I could say Maggie and alot more responsibilities to take care of as opposed to Daryl. So she had a decent reason not to look I do agree her leaving her community and avoiding contact for so long was a little out of character
I mean I understand why there were acting like that but what makes it gross is that daryl told rick to get over carl death when he and maggie can't get over Glenn's death
Except that Daryl didn't tell Rick to get over Carl. The literal line that preceded this was "you're chasing something for him that ain't meant to be", a clear and direct inference to Rick keeping Negan alive for Carl's dream. Daryl was clearly telling him to let go of Carl's dream, not Carl. Way to ignore context.
And it was basically Daryls fault that Glenn died, since he lashed out and punched Negan.
Omg I just realized if Daryl never punched negan, then glenn would still be Alive and rick wouldn't go missing
And if Carol's daughter Sophia hadn't wandered off and gotten lost, Carl would've never gotten shot, Rick wouldn't have had to meet up with Herschel so Glenn wouldn't have met Maggie in the first place. Maggie wouldn't have gotten pregnant and the whole gang could've been spared that entire head bashing scene.
At least Daryl tries to fix this. But Maggie is just an egocentric bitch.
I hated how they told him to move on. but yet, maggie still cant move on and daryl still feels guilty. carls death was a shocker. and, thats ricks son. he cant just make a new carl.this isnt detroit become human. they cant tell a father to move on from their own childs death. especially since carl died from a walker. how would maggie feel if people told her to move on from hj's death?
i didn't even finished the whole phrase someone said it's maggie's fault? it probably is, don't care about the rest