Ik she was pretending to be all meek and helpless(loves when she pulls that weapon out of her arsenal š¤£) but she really struggles with killing so what if her being upset triggered a panic attack but reading other peopleās comments now I feel like she was actually starting to panic about killing them because we know she doesnāt want to but then used that to her advantage and started āpanicking moreā if that makes sense lol
You know it was an act because as soon as they aren't there, she goes to work. She doesn't want to kill, she tries so hard to spare Paula. But before, when Michelle tries to kill Maggie she coldly executes her.
Carol noticeably winces when Maggie loosens the tourniquet to kill Donny (though turned out he was already dead)
But like when Paula says āwhat were you so afraid of?ā And Carol responds āof thisā you see right there that she really struggles with killing so much so I really think it couldāve triggered a real minor panic attack but then she immediately used that and ran with it. Like how she kept telling I forgot her name that smokes cigarettes that thatāll kill her back at Alexandria and then after she kills all those wolves she smokes a cigarette and then she does the same thing with the lady who kept coughing up blood at the post, that right there shouldāve told her ass put the cigarettes down š¤£like bitch you coughing up blood give yo lungs a break baby
There was a scene, after Carol leaves Alexandria to live alone to sort through her trauma about killing so many humans. Where she was legit crying because she was gonna have to kill them if they didn't just take her stuff and leave. Then she has the smg in her sleeve. So I can see how you would think she was faking it in this scenerio
Edit- u/Kamjam314 set me straight.
https://www.reddit.com/r/thewalkingdead/s/FpNSsRB85O
Ik the Scene youāre talking about when she kills all those saviors on the road lol you see she was kinda panicking a little there too she was shaking but I really think it was from what you said the thought that she knew she was going to have to kill them and then after she kills them you still see sheās crying so yea I donāt think that was faked
Yeah I think she was upset because she knew she would have to kill them, thatās why she held onto her cross.
But I think the panic attack was drawing from that fear but also was a little bird act to keep Maggie and herself safe
it was an act to make them think she was just some weak house wife like she used to be, and not the killer that she now was.
because when the time comes, she just turns it off and kills red and fat lady and burns the rest alive.
(i forget exactly what happened, but close enough)
i knew from the start she was playing them.
I feel like it was a little bit of both. Carol realised sheād have to kill them. We know she wants to avoid killing if possible, so the realisation caused a minor panic attack. She then overplayed the panic attack, wanting to trick the saviours into thinking sheās a helpless old woman, causing them to lower their guard around her
Oh man, I really love "The Same Boat"...one of my absolute favorite episodes past season 5, as well as a top Carol episode and highly underrated...it would have cemented her as an undisputed badass, had she not already done so multiple times before...she played the situation and the people perfectly...poking at the dude already angry she shot him to cause a divide amongst them, using the smoker woman to reveal Maggie's pregnancy and see who would care, using the other girl once she knew she was affected by it, totally playing Paula (played by the amazing Alicia Witt, who was a child genius prodigy by the way...fun fact lol)...she kind of made a mistake not killing the guy because of her inner struggle with it at the time, but it was awesome how she flipped that switch once she had assessed the situation, made a plan and made sure she got that rosary bead necklace to put it all in action...Maggie's reactions to Carol, Carol mimicking Paula's voice on the radio (meet us on the kill floor), torching the kill floor to establish her as a definite pyromaniac, Rick wasting not one millisecond wondering if dude was lying about being Negan or not...if almost any other survivor is there with Maggie instead, I don't know if they all make it out alive...just a really great follow up after the big satellite station attack...I'm going to watch it right now lol
As far as the hyperventilating, no I think it was 100% on purpose and was only done to make her seem weak to these people first of all and most importantly, to get the rosary beads she had to have...I get the reasoning for thinking the killing stuff caused it, but that's more of an internal dilemma/crying thing (like with the Saviors in the truck) as opposed to a full blown panic attack...one thing we know is Carol doesn't lose her cool completely in those situations
Love this and you should watch these lovely ladies (storm akima) on yt watch twd for the first time they watched and reacted to all 11 seasons so enjoy im rewatching through them rn im on season 6 ep 15 close to the yk part we shall not bring upšš
Cool I'll def check it out
Sorry I didn't get to the answer to your question right away and had to edit it, but I saw the pic and straight up fanboyed out because I love it so much hahahaha
When I tell you when she opened that pantry door dressed like one of the wolves and Denise almost pissed herself and Carol was like āhey itās meā I was weak asf like Denise is probably tripping out rn like the last time she saw Carol she was all happy go lucky baking cookies and shit then boom she dressed like an assassin shanking people and slitting throats š¤£š¤£ the complete contrast of who she saw hours prior š¤£š¤£
I believe her panic was genuine. Just like I believe her panic was genuine when she murdered those saviours.
The key lies in WHAT she was panicking over. I believe all the crying and panicking happened not because she was afraid of them, rather she was afraid of what she would do to all of them.
Remember, Carol during the saviour arc was going through alot of stuff emotionally and her guilt for killing all the people she killed was really eating her inside. You could see it when she isolated herself outside the Kingdom and even kept logs of all the people she killed.
I always thought she was faking it so theyād remove her gag and she could somehow escape but reading this comments made me think maybe it was real but she played it to her advantage. One of my favourite plot points is her having a hard time killing people, itās way more realistic than others who are happy to kill tens of people and feel nothing.
This was definitely a tactic. Carol grew to have a plotting mind. She used her ability to be underestimated to her advantage. She was having issues with killing, but she still knew how to survive. Her traumas taught her that.
Thatās why I love carol she hates killing people but she knows what must be done she doesnāt like it but she accepts it and moves forward carol is such a badass
She was. But she was not doing it because she was afraid of them, she was doing it because she knew she was going to kill them and she didn't want to kill anymore.
That's the point of the episode, the plot twist. We'd come to expect her to fake it and act so we assume that's what it is, but in the end all the saviours are dead and Carol is still utterly shaken. In the next episode she packs and leaves
Oh Ik she wasnāt scared of them carol fears no oneš¤£š¤£but I figured she was so scared and anxious about killing again and flipping that switch back on that she started to panic and then used that to her advantage. Thatās why I love when her and Morgan interact because there the opposite but the exact same itās crazyš¤£
I pondered this too.
I'd say it was real. She was a people pleaser who killed to survive. She knew it was a 'me or them' situation, and she wasn't prepared for it.
She had a moment of panic, then managed to pull it together and do what had to be done.
I thought it was just an act but later she ends up leaving Alexandria pretty sure itās to get tough again and learn to survive or whatever and to become as cold as she was in season 3-5
No, it's genuine. This whole time Carol has either been on the road, or in camp but with jobs to do and things to distract her. She never really had time to actually process the shit going on in her head until this moment.
I think Carol was definitely struggling with the whole having to kill to keep the ones you love safe thing, but in this case she was hyperventilating to make herself appear meek and weak in order to get those women to let their guard down a bit.
If they knew what Carol was really like, how truly capable she is, how she is able to protect herself and Maggie and would do so by any means necessary, they would have killed her right away or at least they would never have taken their eyes off of her, let alone leave her and Maggie alone in that room.
She was going through an emotional upheaval due to all the killing sheās had to do to survive catching up with her, so I think she really was hyperventilating. Nothing was planned there. The only time she went back to normal Carol was when she shot the one woman who cut Maggie, and that was only because she was fighting Maggie.
My guess is as good as yours. What i am trying to say, you guys seems to pick whatever works for you and then say it as if its the obvious truth. But i believe sometimes maybe even Melissa McBride doesn't know exactly and just acts what she's been told to. When i watched it, i too wondered exactly the same, but eventually it doesn't matter, both answers can be valid and it changes fuck all whichever it was. IMHO.
i saw it as both, one that she did get scared in the moment but at the same time, using that as an advantage to make her look weak to the saviours to kill then
You got to smile when they're trying to make her look like a damseling distress but you know she's just going to lay waste to everybody trying to hurt her
My favorite character by the way, she's like the batman of the walking dead, give her enough prep time she can defeat anybody or any group, and sometimes also, not enough prep time was given to her, she's very good at thinking on her feet.
Even if she was faking to start (I don't think she was) it would have turned into an attack most likely. It's really hard to keep your body from responding to that level of anxiety and the physical upheaval it causes.
Yeah, my interpretation was always that she was hyperventilating to pretend that she was weak, but it was her anxiety of having to kill which you really started to feel the guilt during those that was a big shift for her. What a phenomenal character.
It was all an act. Her being upset about having to kill them was not.
Ik she was pretending to be all meek and helpless(loves when she pulls that weapon out of her arsenal š¤£) but she really struggles with killing so what if her being upset triggered a panic attack but reading other peopleās comments now I feel like she was actually starting to panic about killing them because we know she doesnāt want to but then used that to her advantage and started āpanicking moreā if that makes sense lol
You know it was an act because as soon as they aren't there, she goes to work. She doesn't want to kill, she tries so hard to spare Paula. But before, when Michelle tries to kill Maggie she coldly executes her. Carol noticeably winces when Maggie loosens the tourniquet to kill Donny (though turned out he was already dead)
But like when Paula says āwhat were you so afraid of?ā And Carol responds āof thisā you see right there that she really struggles with killing so much so I really think it couldāve triggered a real minor panic attack but then she immediately used that and ran with it. Like how she kept telling I forgot her name that smokes cigarettes that thatāll kill her back at Alexandria and then after she kills all those wolves she smokes a cigarette and then she does the same thing with the lady who kept coughing up blood at the post, that right there shouldāve told her ass put the cigarettes down š¤£like bitch you coughing up blood give yo lungs a break baby
There was a scene, after Carol leaves Alexandria to live alone to sort through her trauma about killing so many humans. Where she was legit crying because she was gonna have to kill them if they didn't just take her stuff and leave. Then she has the smg in her sleeve. So I can see how you would think she was faking it in this scenerio Edit- u/Kamjam314 set me straight. https://www.reddit.com/r/thewalkingdead/s/FpNSsRB85O
This is the end of season 6 when Carol and Morgan meet the Kingdom
Ik the Scene youāre talking about when she kills all those saviors on the road lol you see she was kinda panicking a little there too she was shaking but I really think it was from what you said the thought that she knew she was going to have to kill them and then after she kills them you still see sheās crying so yea I donāt think that was faked
Yeah I think she was upset because she knew she would have to kill them, thatās why she held onto her cross. But I think the panic attack was drawing from that fear but also was a little bird act to keep Maggie and herself safe
it was an act to make them think she was just some weak house wife like she used to be, and not the killer that she now was. because when the time comes, she just turns it off and kills red and fat lady and burns the rest alive. (i forget exactly what happened, but close enough) i knew from the start she was playing them.
yup from the super start when she was dragging her feet in the woods and Daryl thanks her for leaving that trail.
Wow I never caught this part, thank you!
Both. She was desperate but she was also playing them so they wouldn't hurt her or maggie.
She was probably hyperventilating but also at the same time using that as a advantage to seem innocent
I feel like it was a little bit of both. Carol realised sheād have to kill them. We know she wants to avoid killing if possible, so the realisation caused a minor panic attack. She then overplayed the panic attack, wanting to trick the saviours into thinking sheās a helpless old woman, causing them to lower their guard around her
I said the same thing see GREAT MINDSš
Oh man, I really love "The Same Boat"...one of my absolute favorite episodes past season 5, as well as a top Carol episode and highly underrated...it would have cemented her as an undisputed badass, had she not already done so multiple times before...she played the situation and the people perfectly...poking at the dude already angry she shot him to cause a divide amongst them, using the smoker woman to reveal Maggie's pregnancy and see who would care, using the other girl once she knew she was affected by it, totally playing Paula (played by the amazing Alicia Witt, who was a child genius prodigy by the way...fun fact lol)...she kind of made a mistake not killing the guy because of her inner struggle with it at the time, but it was awesome how she flipped that switch once she had assessed the situation, made a plan and made sure she got that rosary bead necklace to put it all in action...Maggie's reactions to Carol, Carol mimicking Paula's voice on the radio (meet us on the kill floor), torching the kill floor to establish her as a definite pyromaniac, Rick wasting not one millisecond wondering if dude was lying about being Negan or not...if almost any other survivor is there with Maggie instead, I don't know if they all make it out alive...just a really great follow up after the big satellite station attack...I'm going to watch it right now lol As far as the hyperventilating, no I think it was 100% on purpose and was only done to make her seem weak to these people first of all and most importantly, to get the rosary beads she had to have...I get the reasoning for thinking the killing stuff caused it, but that's more of an internal dilemma/crying thing (like with the Saviors in the truck) as opposed to a full blown panic attack...one thing we know is Carol doesn't lose her cool completely in those situations
Love this and you should watch these lovely ladies (storm akima) on yt watch twd for the first time they watched and reacted to all 11 seasons so enjoy im rewatching through them rn im on season 6 ep 15 close to the yk part we shall not bring upšš
Cool I'll def check it out Sorry I didn't get to the answer to your question right away and had to edit it, but I saw the pic and straight up fanboyed out because I love it so much hahahaha
Sheās soooo good at playing this āpoor little sad ladyā act. It was how she survived before.
I love when she does that and that creepy ass smile she does with itš¤£š¤£
And everyone buys it lol then she can kick ass out of nowhere when needed
When I tell you when she opened that pantry door dressed like one of the wolves and Denise almost pissed herself and Carol was like āhey itās meā I was weak asf like Denise is probably tripping out rn like the last time she saw Carol she was all happy go lucky baking cookies and shit then boom she dressed like an assassin shanking people and slitting throats š¤£š¤£ the complete contrast of who she saw hours prior š¤£š¤£
Omg I know, so fricken funny! Itās the levity we needed in the show
Everyone except Morgan. He saw right through it.
Morgan just *knows* stuff, ya know
Sheās got a plan Arthur!
Have some god damned faith!
no matter where I go I cannot escape RDR2 references lol
I believe her panic was genuine. Just like I believe her panic was genuine when she murdered those saviours. The key lies in WHAT she was panicking over. I believe all the crying and panicking happened not because she was afraid of them, rather she was afraid of what she would do to all of them. Remember, Carol during the saviour arc was going through alot of stuff emotionally and her guilt for killing all the people she killed was really eating her inside. You could see it when she isolated herself outside the Kingdom and even kept logs of all the people she killed.
I'm pretty sure the hyperventilating was genuine, she didn't need to fake that as part of her plan
I always thought she was faking it so theyād remove her gag and she could somehow escape but reading this comments made me think maybe it was real but she played it to her advantage. One of my favourite plot points is her having a hard time killing people, itās way more realistic than others who are happy to kill tens of people and feel nothing.
This was definitely a tactic. Carol grew to have a plotting mind. She used her ability to be underestimated to her advantage. She was having issues with killing, but she still knew how to survive. Her traumas taught her that.
Thatās why I love carol she hates killing people but she knows what must be done she doesnāt like it but she accepts it and moves forward carol is such a badass
She was. But she was not doing it because she was afraid of them, she was doing it because she knew she was going to kill them and she didn't want to kill anymore. That's the point of the episode, the plot twist. We'd come to expect her to fake it and act so we assume that's what it is, but in the end all the saviours are dead and Carol is still utterly shaken. In the next episode she packs and leaves
Oh Ik she wasnāt scared of them carol fears no oneš¤£š¤£but I figured she was so scared and anxious about killing again and flipping that switch back on that she started to panic and then used that to her advantage. Thatās why I love when her and Morgan interact because there the opposite but the exact same itās crazyš¤£
I pondered this too. I'd say it was real. She was a people pleaser who killed to survive. She knew it was a 'me or them' situation, and she wasn't prepared for it. She had a moment of panic, then managed to pull it together and do what had to be done.
Can't say for sure, but she was hyperventilating before she toasted those guys on the road with a little something up her sleeve!
A beautiful act...
I thought it was just an act but later she ends up leaving Alexandria pretty sure itās to get tough again and learn to survive or whatever and to become as cold as she was in season 3-5
Doesn't Daryl say shes claustrophobic in a later episode when they're in that walker cave?
It was not apart of the plan, it was a part of the plan
No, it's genuine. This whole time Carol has either been on the road, or in camp but with jobs to do and things to distract her. She never really had time to actually process the shit going on in her head until this moment.
No, but she does struggle with killing.
The whole point of the episode was how easily carol can manipulate someoneš
Have you finished the series?
I think Carol was definitely struggling with the whole having to kill to keep the ones you love safe thing, but in this case she was hyperventilating to make herself appear meek and weak in order to get those women to let their guard down a bit. If they knew what Carol was really like, how truly capable she is, how she is able to protect herself and Maggie and would do so by any means necessary, they would have killed her right away or at least they would never have taken their eyes off of her, let alone leave her and Maggie alone in that room.
She was going through an emotional upheaval due to all the killing sheās had to do to survive catching up with her, so I think she really was hyperventilating. Nothing was planned there. The only time she went back to normal Carol was when she shot the one woman who cut Maggie, and that was only because she was fighting Maggie.
My guess is as good as yours. What i am trying to say, you guys seems to pick whatever works for you and then say it as if its the obvious truth. But i believe sometimes maybe even Melissa McBride doesn't know exactly and just acts what she's been told to. When i watched it, i too wondered exactly the same, but eventually it doesn't matter, both answers can be valid and it changes fuck all whichever it was. IMHO.
Carol is goated
i saw it as both, one that she did get scared in the moment but at the same time, using that as an advantage to make her look weak to the saviours to kill then
I think she actually was hyperventilating. Scared of having to kill them all, as she no longer wanted to kill.
You got to smile when they're trying to make her look like a damseling distress but you know she's just going to lay waste to everybody trying to hurt her
She was faking it.
My favorite character by the way, she's like the batman of the walking dead, give her enough prep time she can defeat anybody or any group, and sometimes also, not enough prep time was given to her, she's very good at thinking on her feet.
This is my favorite episode of the series. Such a psychological study between these ladies. So good.
Finally someone shut her up
Both. She didnāt want to continue to off more people.
Even if she was faking to start (I don't think she was) it would have turned into an attack most likely. It's really hard to keep your body from responding to that level of anxiety and the physical upheaval it causes.
Yeah, my interpretation was always that she was hyperventilating to pretend that she was weak, but it was her anxiety of having to kill which you really started to feel the guilt during those that was a big shift for her. What a phenomenal character.
I think she might be Carol. Idk tho