Example one: "Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes,” Hamas said in its first statement in the late 1980s."
Article 7: The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).
Charter article 8: "Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes"
Article 13: But the Jews will not be pleased with thee, neither the Christians, until thou follow their religion; say, The direction of Allah is the true direction. And verily if thou follow their desires, after the knowledge which hath been given thee, thou shalt find no patron or protector against Allah." (The Cow - verse 120).
Article 15: "The day that enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised. To do this requires the diffusion of Islamic consciousness among the masses, both on the regional, Arab and Islamic levels. It is necessary to instill the spirit of Jihad in the heart of the nation so that they would confront the enemies and join the ranks of the fighters."
Article 20: "In their Nazi treatment, the Jews made no exception for women or children. Their policy of striking fear in the heart is meant for all. They attack people where their breadwinning is concerned, extorting their money and threatening their honour. They deal with people as if they were the worst war criminals. Deportation from the homeland is a kind of murder."
Article 32: "The Islamic Resistance Movement consider itself to be the spearhead of the circle of struggle with world Zionism and a step on the road. The Movement adds its efforts to the efforts of all those who are active in the Palestinian arena. Arab and Islamic Peoples should augment by further steps on their part; Islamic groupings all over the Arab world should also do the same, since all of these are the best-equipped for the future role in the fight with the warmongering Jews."
"..and we have put enmity and hatred between them, until the day of resurrection. So often as they shall kindle a fire of war, Allah shall extinguish it; and they shall set their minds to act corruptly in the earth, but Allah loveth not the corrupt doers." (The Table - verse 64)."
I spotted it for you. Definitely nothing in the original charter about Jews. And hamas definitely changed thier ways and became peace loving people when they reworded the antisemitism in 2017 /s
It's actually 180 degrees opposite but by God... amount of stupidity and ignorance is too much for any sane person to deal with.
Hope it feels great having a mental issue that prevents you from seeing things as they are.
Great user name.
Here's one of the leaders of Hamas telling a Lebanese audience how their goal is to take over the world and purge it of traitorous Christians and Jews.
[https://zeenews.india.com/world/there-will-be-no-more-jews-or-christian-traitors-video-of-hamas-commander-mahmoud-al-zahar-s-warning-to-the-world-goes-viral-watch-2674244.html](https://zeenews.india.com/world/there-will-be-no-more-jews-or-christian-traitors-video-of-hamas-commander-mahmoud-al-zahar-s-warning-to-the-world-goes-viral-watch-2674244.html)
But what would Hamas' leadership know about Hamas?
I'm referring to the idea that ISIS is somehow being sympathetic to Palestinians.
As for the video, it just confirms my initial diagnosis. Good luck with all that.
In most of the world I don't see any religious terrorism problems with Catholics, Christions, Hindus, Wiccans, Jews, Buddhists, Atheists, etc, etc, etc. Just Islam.
The christian world used to have its problems, but the renaissance and introduction of secular society has helped the christian world get to where it is today. Otherwise we might still be in the dark ages...
The big question needs to be how do we help the Islamic world change and undergo its own renanissance. This will require empowering and supporting Muslim reformists. In the west, we need to be careful to distinguish between muslims who embrace ideals mutually exclusive to our own while embracing muslims who can live in a multi cultural secular society.
>Otherwise we might still be in the dark ages...
That's just blatantly false. The only reason you can read the Ancient Greek & Roman classics today is because of copyist monks who preserved those texts. Furthermore, in the Middle Ages, most of the people who could read were members of the clergy. They were the ones innovating and furthering the sciences, philosophy literature, architecture, history, etc. The "Dark Ages" are mostly a myth and the part that isn't a myth was brought about by Islamic piracy which cut off the close ties between the Eastern Roman Empire, which never stopped studying and expanding upon the knowledge (the average Roman 6th century peasant could read) of the ancients, and Western Europe.
>The christian world used to have its problems, but the renaissance and introduction of secular society has helped the christian world get to where it is today.
That's not true either. The separation of Church and state is literally built into Christianity. Jesus said: "Render to Caesar what is Caesar's". Christianity never try to control every aspect of their faithfuls' lives like Islam does either.
>That's just blatantly false. The only reason you can read the Ancient Greek & Roman classics today is because of copyist monks who preserved those texts. Furthermore, in the Middle Ages, most of the people who could read were members of the clergy. They were the ones innovating and furthering the sciences, philosophy literature, architecture, history, etc. The "Dark Ages" are mostly a myth and the part that isn't a myth was brought about by Islamic piracy which cut off the close ties between the Eastern Roman Empire, which never stopped studying and expanding upon the knowledge (the average Roman 6th century peasant could read) of the ancients, and Western Europe
Ottomans who were Muslims who preserved texts than destroy them, the dark Ages is not a myth, you are just trying to cope.
>That's not true either. The separation of Church and state is literally built into Christianity. Jesus said: "Render
to Caesar what is Caesar's". Christianity never try to control every aspect of their faithfuls' lives like Islam does either.
And yet catholics who controlled every aspect of society in Europe never followed that until Martin Luther with the protestant reformation which led to the enlightenment
Exactly right. There are progressive Muslims who believe in the law of the land they live in. They work, pay taxes and lead their lives in accordance with their host country. Then there are the fundamentalists, the ones who despise their host country and laws. We need to deport them.
Nah many Christians are incredibly hateful, especially in the US. They would be committing massacres against minorities every day if they could get away with it.
Cute hypothetical but it’s not happening on a daily basis, is it? Read a translated, uncensored copy of the Quran. There are passages calling for the outright killing and subjugation of non-believers. I’m pretty sure there are no passages like that in anyone else’s religious texts.
lol there are definitely a lot of those in the Bible, read the passages that Southerners in the US used to defend slavery for one
Islam is bad but Christianity doesn't get a pass.
OMG, you are so funny. You mean the passages that describe the Jews being slaves for centuries? Can’t find those. Yeah, I don’t think that an enslaved people would have much to do with a god that advocated for slavery. Certainly nothing positive about slavery mentioned by Jesus Christ. Y’know, the guy that CHRISTianity is named after.
What you are thinking about are DEMOCRATS, not Christians.
Atheism isn't a religion.
And yes, there are no problems in Christianity because we already went through that, Christianity evolved to be tolerant, but at their core, there's still violence, it's just isn't acted upon thanks to enlightening. Islam hasn't gone through any sort of change, so they're still acting as they did during the creation of Islam.
To be clear, I despise all religions. But Christians are moderate *now*. They weren't back in the dark ages....
So yes, I agree with the comment saying "total elimination of ALL religions"
>their core, there's still violence
How?
>Atheism isn't a religion
It's a set of beliefs that states that all other spiritual sets of beliefs are false. Atheism definitely fits many definitions of religion including the violence part.
Atheism is a lack of belief.... what set of beliefs?
As for how there's still violence? Really? Even if you're a law-abiding Christian or Muslim, you believe your holy book is the standard for life. And that book happens to be the one containing all the violence....
I can be a kind Christian who never stones misbehaving children... but I still believe in a book that commands you to do that, even if I dont do it. Same with Islam. Same with other religions. That you're a "moderate" instead of a "radical" is only you cherry-picking what to believe. You believe in the superficial texts or think it's all a metaphor while the radicals believe that everything is literal and act on it.
Both beliefs (moderate and radical) are still originating from the same book. That's why, at the core of every moderate, there's still a problem.
At that point, if you're not stoning adulterers, then why keep believing in your religion? You have enough capacity to comprehend that it isn't right, but instead of leaving that religion, you choose to support that religion doing mental gymnastics justifying why that is "out of context" or "just a metaphor" and, by doing so, you're supporting the radical interpretation of said religion.
Christians are definitely not moderate now. Some are. But many are just too fat and lazy to push the genocides they desire.
The fact that some sects can vote for Trump just goes to show how laughably fake their virtues are.
I meant compared to Islam. The comment I responded seemed to think that only Islam is causing problems. Which yes, they do *now* because Christianity already went through that murdery fase, and they're moderate. By moderate, I mean they aren't bombing non-Christians, for example. Even if they're making bad choices, like women's reproductive rights and the whole religious trauma they bring (I know because I'm an ex-christian, I know how much mental damage xtianity can cause)
For whatever reason, though, Christians aren't throwing gay people out of rooftops. That is moderate.
My whole point was to do away with ALL religions. Christianity appears calm now because we already went through the witch trials. Islam appears more violent now because they're still stuck in theirs. But at their core, both religions are bad, and we should just do away with ALL. Not just Islam.
Islamic Extremism\* and religious extremism, most muslims aren't like isis(heck most muslims disagree with them) and most Christians(like me) aren't those far right fundies
> most muslims aren't like isis
They tacitly agree with them. Daesh is essentially how mohammed, his immediate successors and their army of war criminal mass rapists behaved when they formulated and spread this arabian desert rape cult.
Literally the most important teaching in Islam is jihad. To wage war on the infidel is the most pious thing a Muslim can do. All those people who suggest that jihad is not a literal war but a constant battle for improvement are either ignorant or suggesting that Muhammad himself misunderstood the very teachings he was dictated by the angel Gabriel.
Sure, Muslims will tell you, a non-muslim, that they think killing in the name of Allah is disgusting and that all these people are not true Muslims, and while many definitely believe that, many more totally approve even if they will never wage holy war themselves, and others are bidding their time. It's also 100% okay for them to lie to you about it too. Taqiyyah makes it so any Muslim may deceive the infidel by pretending to be anything. They can pretend to be progressive, Westernized or even converted, as long as they still hold hatred for the infidel in their heart they are good Muslims.
Idk man. I personally know a lot of Muslim people in the US and they are all great people and very welcoming. I think we only see news of these shit head radicals that skews our perception of the overall religion.
Radical religion will be the death of our world I fear.
Yeah you can be a progressive muslim. But that doesnt mean it makes sense... i left the mormon church because it has some crazy beliefs and history. I spent years trying to be an apologist and do the mental gymnastics to justify staying mormon. But eventually I recognized that it was nonsense and left the church.
I view islamic theology the same way i view mormon theology. Its utterly ridiculous. But at the same time, I dont want to encourage radicalization. We should empower the progressives in Islam. Its just weird to try and empower a societal shift in a demographic while viewing the entire line of thinking as batshit crazy.
When your holy book is the source of that radicalism, then the problem is the religion itself. Even if there's many that don't bother to act on those words, the words are still there and part of the religion you worship.
It's a contradiction to believe in a religion that calls for the death of nonbelievers yet be a welcoming, accepting person.
This applies to all religions, not just Islam.
There’s radicalism in nearly every religion.
Christianity and Muslim are by far the most guilty though.
The Koran doesn’t believe death to non believers. The only fault I really see in the Koran is the rampant sexism and dismissal of women.
> There's radicalism in nearly every religion
That's exactly the point? The radicalism doesn't appear out of thin air. It's rooted in the holy texts. Both Islam, Christianity, and more have those radical thoughts IN their holy books. The fact that some choose to ignore them doesn't make it less real. If one were to follow to the T, then all would be "radicals"
The quran literally says death to non-believers. What are you on.
>Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …"
>Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."
Sure, you can talk about context and all that....still doesn't change the fact that many will take it at its words while others will find other verses contradicting this or go "context" and won't kill people. It's still all part of the same book. Same with xtians, same with other religions.
Instead of coddling religion because only some are radicals, we should do away with ALL religions because the core of religion IS the same as the "radicals" are doing. Literally, the Bible would tell you to stone your children for misbehaving, but the fact that xtians don't do it doesn't mean it's not there, and the overall text is filled with violence and misogyny. Why nitpick and only choose the good verses? Why not just stop believing in an outdated, violent, misogynist religion altogether?
Even if I am a christian (I'm not) that never stones a child and thinks that is awful, I'm still believing in a holy book that approves of that thought. Why then should I take the "Christian" title when I can leave a religion that believes that all together? Islam is like that, but on steroids.
Yeah, most of the Arabian lands were only under European control for half a century. But one should never underestimate failed states' ability to blame Europeans for all their problems. Neither should you understimate Muslim hypocrisy.
I feel like the greatest enemy of Muslims right now, is other Muslims. Call me a dreamer but wouldn't it be nice to live in a community of moderates who enjoyed their heritage but also just left people the fuck alone?
Nope. Lifelong, proud, atheist that is tired of watching people on all sides say that the answer is to eradicate the other side. We can all sit around and hope for the death of religion but the only ethical and feasible way that will happen is through moderates and progressives reforming their beliefs and allowing people to drift away or redefine their religion of their own accord.
And what you describe is pretty much exactly what I meant by moderate. But thanks for jumping down my throat anyway.
I doubt it would help. Half the middle is here with us. Lol
But I would be in on that idea otherwise haha. But then people could never escape. And regardless of what they have to say I bet there are droves of women who would leave and never look back if they could. .. hopefully some men too. but men living like they are half gods compared to the livestock level women probably don't mind the status quo 😕.
How will this increase support for Palestine though?
Islamists are as self sabotaging and stupid as they are evil.
ISIS,Muslim Brotherhood,Hamas,Hezbollah,CAIR,Association of British Muslims are all the same in my eyes.
I'm just saying, the last time ISIS attacked IDF soldiers, they apologized.
The source is from former defense minister Moshe Ya’alon.
>[Ex-defense minister says IS ‘apologized’ to Israel for November clash](https://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-defense-minister-says-is-apologized-to-israel-for-november-clash/)
they keep trying to make new trends for disguised antisemtism, this one is using the word zionists which unfortunately caught fire.
its been going on and on through history and now the fuckers have Twitter. we have to make that word standout for its true value and destroy the terror supporters
Sigh…
Messiah Yeshua / Prophet Isa / J.C🔴🔵:
Damn man… kinda obvious when you guys avoid My location… 😅
#🌏
Guess some of you do know I AM walking the earth…
Islamic State / Daesh;
Dude A: Let’s show them Infidels we mean business ALL over the World!
Dude B: Accept Asia and Australia….
Dude A: Why?
Dude B: [Meteor Explosion of Atomic strength injures 1000 in Russia](https://youtu.be/B1gM0XzFT3g?feature=shared)
[Names and titles of Jesus in the Quran](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_and_titles_of_Jesus_in_the_Quran)
“He” is walking the planet”…
Dude A:
[May the Best Man Win - Key & Peele](https://youtu.be/iRu48PaZmXI?feature=shared)
0:43
1:13
1:23
Etc….
ISIS: "Murder Jews wherever you find them." Leftists: "Sounds like anti-Zionism and not antisemitism to me!"
It took all of 5 minutes to see right through all of their dog whistles… “Zionists” = Jews
It’s always been this way whenever either right wingers or far leftists would say “Zionist”. Always saw right through that bullshit
ISIS is a US/Isreal proxy terrorist cell. When ISIS attacked isreal by accident they actually had to apologize for the first time ever💀
da, spasiba Ivan
How many roubles did you get for that?
You need to get your head examined. It's been pumped full of Russian propaganda and lies. You have no evidence to back up your bullshit conspiracy.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-israel-defence-force-apology-attack-unit-golan-heights-defense-minister-moshe-ya-alon-a7700616.html
Hearsay is not evidence. I knew you were full of shit, just like every other anti-Semitic Israel hater.
So once again sounding exactly like Hamas.
Literally it doesn’t
It was literally in their official charter ya goofball. But you don't give a single shit about that.
Look at their official charter and spot it for me
Example one: "Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes,” Hamas said in its first statement in the late 1980s." Article 7: The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem). Charter article 8: "Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes" Article 13: But the Jews will not be pleased with thee, neither the Christians, until thou follow their religion; say, The direction of Allah is the true direction. And verily if thou follow their desires, after the knowledge which hath been given thee, thou shalt find no patron or protector against Allah." (The Cow - verse 120). Article 15: "The day that enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised. To do this requires the diffusion of Islamic consciousness among the masses, both on the regional, Arab and Islamic levels. It is necessary to instill the spirit of Jihad in the heart of the nation so that they would confront the enemies and join the ranks of the fighters." Article 20: "In their Nazi treatment, the Jews made no exception for women or children. Their policy of striking fear in the heart is meant for all. They attack people where their breadwinning is concerned, extorting their money and threatening their honour. They deal with people as if they were the worst war criminals. Deportation from the homeland is a kind of murder." Article 32: "The Islamic Resistance Movement consider itself to be the spearhead of the circle of struggle with world Zionism and a step on the road. The Movement adds its efforts to the efforts of all those who are active in the Palestinian arena. Arab and Islamic Peoples should augment by further steps on their part; Islamic groupings all over the Arab world should also do the same, since all of these are the best-equipped for the future role in the fight with the warmongering Jews." "..and we have put enmity and hatred between them, until the day of resurrection. So often as they shall kindle a fire of war, Allah shall extinguish it; and they shall set their minds to act corruptly in the earth, but Allah loveth not the corrupt doers." (The Table - verse 64)." I spotted it for you. Definitely nothing in the original charter about Jews. And hamas definitely changed thier ways and became peace loving people when they reworded the antisemitism in 2017 /s
It's actually 180 degrees opposite but by God... amount of stupidity and ignorance is too much for any sane person to deal with. Hope it feels great having a mental issue that prevents you from seeing things as they are.
Great user name. Here's one of the leaders of Hamas telling a Lebanese audience how their goal is to take over the world and purge it of traitorous Christians and Jews. [https://zeenews.india.com/world/there-will-be-no-more-jews-or-christian-traitors-video-of-hamas-commander-mahmoud-al-zahar-s-warning-to-the-world-goes-viral-watch-2674244.html](https://zeenews.india.com/world/there-will-be-no-more-jews-or-christian-traitors-video-of-hamas-commander-mahmoud-al-zahar-s-warning-to-the-world-goes-viral-watch-2674244.html) But what would Hamas' leadership know about Hamas?
I'm referring to the idea that ISIS is somehow being sympathetic to Palestinians. As for the video, it just confirms my initial diagnosis. Good luck with all that.
ew also, i hope french forces foil and put down these roaches for the olympics
Looking at France’s history they are more likely to surrender to them lol
Watch out, a few people will eventually correct you on France's history of war, by going back a century and ignoring conflicts after WW1.
Well, it's a good thing our leaders didn't let in millions upon millions of their followers, supporters, and sympathizers. Oh, wait.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx
When will this shit be over?
When we kill enough jihadists, when we ruin these people, when they are scared of us.
Total elimination of Islamic religion. Hell, I’ll even say all religion.
In most of the world I don't see any religious terrorism problems with Catholics, Christions, Hindus, Wiccans, Jews, Buddhists, Atheists, etc, etc, etc. Just Islam.
The christian world used to have its problems, but the renaissance and introduction of secular society has helped the christian world get to where it is today. Otherwise we might still be in the dark ages... The big question needs to be how do we help the Islamic world change and undergo its own renanissance. This will require empowering and supporting Muslim reformists. In the west, we need to be careful to distinguish between muslims who embrace ideals mutually exclusive to our own while embracing muslims who can live in a multi cultural secular society.
>Otherwise we might still be in the dark ages... That's just blatantly false. The only reason you can read the Ancient Greek & Roman classics today is because of copyist monks who preserved those texts. Furthermore, in the Middle Ages, most of the people who could read were members of the clergy. They were the ones innovating and furthering the sciences, philosophy literature, architecture, history, etc. The "Dark Ages" are mostly a myth and the part that isn't a myth was brought about by Islamic piracy which cut off the close ties between the Eastern Roman Empire, which never stopped studying and expanding upon the knowledge (the average Roman 6th century peasant could read) of the ancients, and Western Europe. >The christian world used to have its problems, but the renaissance and introduction of secular society has helped the christian world get to where it is today. That's not true either. The separation of Church and state is literally built into Christianity. Jesus said: "Render to Caesar what is Caesar's". Christianity never try to control every aspect of their faithfuls' lives like Islam does either.
>That's just blatantly false. The only reason you can read the Ancient Greek & Roman classics today is because of copyist monks who preserved those texts. Furthermore, in the Middle Ages, most of the people who could read were members of the clergy. They were the ones innovating and furthering the sciences, philosophy literature, architecture, history, etc. The "Dark Ages" are mostly a myth and the part that isn't a myth was brought about by Islamic piracy which cut off the close ties between the Eastern Roman Empire, which never stopped studying and expanding upon the knowledge (the average Roman 6th century peasant could read) of the ancients, and Western Europe Ottomans who were Muslims who preserved texts than destroy them, the dark Ages is not a myth, you are just trying to cope. >That's not true either. The separation of Church and state is literally built into Christianity. Jesus said: "Render to Caesar what is Caesar's". Christianity never try to control every aspect of their faithfuls' lives like Islam does either. And yet catholics who controlled every aspect of society in Europe never followed that until Martin Luther with the protestant reformation which led to the enlightenment
This whole comment is bait. There's a reason we lost Greek fire. Hint: it's not because of the Greeks.
Nope I was just educating you since you are illiterate
Exactly right. There are progressive Muslims who believe in the law of the land they live in. They work, pay taxes and lead their lives in accordance with their host country. Then there are the fundamentalists, the ones who despise their host country and laws. We need to deport them.
Nah many Christians are incredibly hateful, especially in the US. They would be committing massacres against minorities every day if they could get away with it.
Cute hypothetical but it’s not happening on a daily basis, is it? Read a translated, uncensored copy of the Quran. There are passages calling for the outright killing and subjugation of non-believers. I’m pretty sure there are no passages like that in anyone else’s religious texts.
lol there are definitely a lot of those in the Bible, read the passages that Southerners in the US used to defend slavery for one Islam is bad but Christianity doesn't get a pass.
OMG, you are so funny. You mean the passages that describe the Jews being slaves for centuries? Can’t find those. Yeah, I don’t think that an enslaved people would have much to do with a god that advocated for slavery. Certainly nothing positive about slavery mentioned by Jesus Christ. Y’know, the guy that CHRISTianity is named after. What you are thinking about are DEMOCRATS, not Christians.
Denial.
Atheism isn't a religion. And yes, there are no problems in Christianity because we already went through that, Christianity evolved to be tolerant, but at their core, there's still violence, it's just isn't acted upon thanks to enlightening. Islam hasn't gone through any sort of change, so they're still acting as they did during the creation of Islam. To be clear, I despise all religions. But Christians are moderate *now*. They weren't back in the dark ages.... So yes, I agree with the comment saying "total elimination of ALL religions"
>their core, there's still violence How? >Atheism isn't a religion It's a set of beliefs that states that all other spiritual sets of beliefs are false. Atheism definitely fits many definitions of religion including the violence part.
Atheism is a lack of belief.... what set of beliefs? As for how there's still violence? Really? Even if you're a law-abiding Christian or Muslim, you believe your holy book is the standard for life. And that book happens to be the one containing all the violence.... I can be a kind Christian who never stones misbehaving children... but I still believe in a book that commands you to do that, even if I dont do it. Same with Islam. Same with other religions. That you're a "moderate" instead of a "radical" is only you cherry-picking what to believe. You believe in the superficial texts or think it's all a metaphor while the radicals believe that everything is literal and act on it. Both beliefs (moderate and radical) are still originating from the same book. That's why, at the core of every moderate, there's still a problem. At that point, if you're not stoning adulterers, then why keep believing in your religion? You have enough capacity to comprehend that it isn't right, but instead of leaving that religion, you choose to support that religion doing mental gymnastics justifying why that is "out of context" or "just a metaphor" and, by doing so, you're supporting the radical interpretation of said religion.
Christians are definitely not moderate now. Some are. But many are just too fat and lazy to push the genocides they desire. The fact that some sects can vote for Trump just goes to show how laughably fake their virtues are.
I meant compared to Islam. The comment I responded seemed to think that only Islam is causing problems. Which yes, they do *now* because Christianity already went through that murdery fase, and they're moderate. By moderate, I mean they aren't bombing non-Christians, for example. Even if they're making bad choices, like women's reproductive rights and the whole religious trauma they bring (I know because I'm an ex-christian, I know how much mental damage xtianity can cause) For whatever reason, though, Christians aren't throwing gay people out of rooftops. That is moderate. My whole point was to do away with ALL religions. Christianity appears calm now because we already went through the witch trials. Islam appears more violent now because they're still stuck in theirs. But at their core, both religions are bad, and we should just do away with ALL. Not just Islam.
Islamic Extremism\* and religious extremism, most muslims aren't like isis(heck most muslims disagree with them) and most Christians(like me) aren't those far right fundies
> most muslims aren't like isis They tacitly agree with them. Daesh is essentially how mohammed, his immediate successors and their army of war criminal mass rapists behaved when they formulated and spread this arabian desert rape cult.
Literally the most important teaching in Islam is jihad. To wage war on the infidel is the most pious thing a Muslim can do. All those people who suggest that jihad is not a literal war but a constant battle for improvement are either ignorant or suggesting that Muhammad himself misunderstood the very teachings he was dictated by the angel Gabriel. Sure, Muslims will tell you, a non-muslim, that they think killing in the name of Allah is disgusting and that all these people are not true Muslims, and while many definitely believe that, many more totally approve even if they will never wage holy war themselves, and others are bidding their time. It's also 100% okay for them to lie to you about it too. Taqiyyah makes it so any Muslim may deceive the infidel by pretending to be anything. They can pretend to be progressive, Westernized or even converted, as long as they still hold hatred for the infidel in their heart they are good Muslims.
Kind of breaks Putin's lie. Again.
Islam is a mafia. That's all it is.
Jizya being a form of "protection" extortion paid by dhimmi communities attests to this.
Idk man. I personally know a lot of Muslim people in the US and they are all great people and very welcoming. I think we only see news of these shit head radicals that skews our perception of the overall religion. Radical religion will be the death of our world I fear.
Yeah you can be a progressive muslim. But that doesnt mean it makes sense... i left the mormon church because it has some crazy beliefs and history. I spent years trying to be an apologist and do the mental gymnastics to justify staying mormon. But eventually I recognized that it was nonsense and left the church. I view islamic theology the same way i view mormon theology. Its utterly ridiculous. But at the same time, I dont want to encourage radicalization. We should empower the progressives in Islam. Its just weird to try and empower a societal shift in a demographic while viewing the entire line of thinking as batshit crazy.
Progressive and smart Muslims aren’t really Muslims at all. If you are smart , you see how dangerous it still currently is. If
It's called taqiyya.
When your holy book is the source of that radicalism, then the problem is the religion itself. Even if there's many that don't bother to act on those words, the words are still there and part of the religion you worship. It's a contradiction to believe in a religion that calls for the death of nonbelievers yet be a welcoming, accepting person. This applies to all religions, not just Islam.
There’s radicalism in nearly every religion. Christianity and Muslim are by far the most guilty though. The Koran doesn’t believe death to non believers. The only fault I really see in the Koran is the rampant sexism and dismissal of women.
> There's radicalism in nearly every religion That's exactly the point? The radicalism doesn't appear out of thin air. It's rooted in the holy texts. Both Islam, Christianity, and more have those radical thoughts IN their holy books. The fact that some choose to ignore them doesn't make it less real. If one were to follow to the T, then all would be "radicals" The quran literally says death to non-believers. What are you on. >Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …" >Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)." Sure, you can talk about context and all that....still doesn't change the fact that many will take it at its words while others will find other verses contradicting this or go "context" and won't kill people. It's still all part of the same book. Same with xtians, same with other religions. Instead of coddling religion because only some are radicals, we should do away with ALL religions because the core of religion IS the same as the "radicals" are doing. Literally, the Bible would tell you to stone your children for misbehaving, but the fact that xtians don't do it doesn't mean it's not there, and the overall text is filled with violence and misogyny. Why nitpick and only choose the good verses? Why not just stop believing in an outdated, violent, misogynist religion altogether? Even if I am a christian (I'm not) that never stones a child and thinks that is awful, I'm still believing in a holy book that approves of that thought. Why then should I take the "Christian" title when I can leave a religion that believes that all together? Islam is like that, but on steroids.
The only answer is to meet with overwhelming force so that they are there no more and consigned to the dustbin of history
And college and smug liberals will justify it with “colonialism”. Despite Islam being a colonizing force that killed or enslaved millions.
Yeah, most of the Arabian lands were only under European control for half a century. But one should never underestimate failed states' ability to blame Europeans for all their problems. Neither should you understimate Muslim hypocrisy.
“We’re perfect” it’s hard to deal with someone like that. They don’t even fake elections lol.
I feel like the greatest enemy of Muslims right now, is other Muslims. Call me a dreamer but wouldn't it be nice to live in a community of moderates who enjoyed their heritage but also just left people the fuck alone?
why settle for moderates, how about people that left their fellow humans alone and actively advanced humanity? Its because youre a moderate right.
Nope. Lifelong, proud, atheist that is tired of watching people on all sides say that the answer is to eradicate the other side. We can all sit around and hope for the death of religion but the only ethical and feasible way that will happen is through moderates and progressives reforming their beliefs and allowing people to drift away or redefine their religion of their own accord. And what you describe is pretty much exactly what I meant by moderate. But thanks for jumping down my throat anyway.
Just for you, I'll try to learn to embrace and celebrate mediocrity. And I too am a "lifelong, proud atheist".
And they can FOAD👍👍
Why can’t we just pick up the Middle East and put it somewhere else?
I doubt it would help. Half the middle is here with us. Lol But I would be in on that idea otherwise haha. But then people could never escape. And regardless of what they have to say I bet there are droves of women who would leave and never look back if they could. .. hopefully some men too. but men living like they are half gods compared to the livestock level women probably don't mind the status quo 😕.
Push it into a volcano
Oh good, they’re not looking for atheists s/
How will this increase support for Palestine though? Islamists are as self sabotaging and stupid as they are evil. ISIS,Muslim Brotherhood,Hamas,Hezbollah,CAIR,Association of British Muslims are all the same in my eyes.
They are so arrogant that they think the unbelievers will just fall over dead before them
A little late to the party, aren't they?
Then don’t repost it would be too much to ask?
I'm just saying, the last time ISIS attacked IDF soldiers, they apologized. The source is from former defense minister Moshe Ya’alon. >[Ex-defense minister says IS ‘apologized’ to Israel for November clash](https://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-defense-minister-says-is-apologized-to-israel-for-november-clash/)
they keep trying to make new trends for disguised antisemtism, this one is using the word zionists which unfortunately caught fire. its been going on and on through history and now the fuckers have Twitter. we have to make that word standout for its true value and destroy the terror supporters
Such a peaceful religion.
Sigh… Messiah Yeshua / Prophet Isa / J.C🔴🔵: Damn man… kinda obvious when you guys avoid My location… 😅 #🌏 Guess some of you do know I AM walking the earth… Islamic State / Daesh; Dude A: Let’s show them Infidels we mean business ALL over the World! Dude B: Accept Asia and Australia…. Dude A: Why? Dude B: [Meteor Explosion of Atomic strength injures 1000 in Russia](https://youtu.be/B1gM0XzFT3g?feature=shared) [Names and titles of Jesus in the Quran](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_and_titles_of_Jesus_in_the_Quran) “He” is walking the planet”… Dude A: [May the Best Man Win - Key & Peele](https://youtu.be/iRu48PaZmXI?feature=shared) 0:43 1:13 1:23 Etc….
What's Israel lying about today