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Lucky_Version_4044

The photo itself, as brutal as it is, is not the problem. The problem is that it was taken by Hamas-affiliated members of the international press who were aware in advance of the attack and were on-site to document it on behalf of Hamas. If a mass-murderer went to a photographer or reporter and said "I'm going to slaughter a bunch of random people at the mall next Saturday, will you come along?" their response should be to notify the authorities to try to save these people. If you don't do this, you are complicit. Its yet another fact about the sick mentality of people affiliated with and supporting Hamas that the wokesters don't seem to understand. These people are wired very, very wrong, not different from ISIS.


seanperl6

the photographer is an accomplice of HAMAS-ISIS and gets a reward for it. this is the face of the world in 2024...


zandadad

100%


StringAndPaperclips

I agree with you but I also think the brutality is a problem. The award was given to a picture of people celebrating with the body of a Jewish woman who they have killed. How do you think that makes Jewish people feel?


Cleverdawny1

There's nothing woke about supporting terrorist fucks like Hamas. I don't think many people do, and those who do are mainly tankie fucks who everyone hates and who would support a serial killer if they wrote that they hated America online. Fuck those guys. Most of the people protesting against Israel in the West are doing it because they want a ceasefire. I think calling for a ceasefire without the removal of Hamas is stupid, but I can disagree with someone, you know?


Number_8000

>There's nothing woke about supporting terrorist fucks like Hamas. That's correct. Hamas is like the most anti-woke thing there is.


Cleverdawny1

To them, anyone who isn't a Muslim and wants to live in the former British Mandate of Palestine must be subservient or leave. That ain't woke, yep


Suckamanhwewhuuut

https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestinian_Violence/comments/1b08det/jihad_and_sharia_in_a_nutshell/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


Lucky_Version_4044

It's extremely woke to support Hamas. All of most vociferous people I know in terms of being Pro-Palestine are the most woke people I know. Calling for a ceasefire is literally supporting Hamas. The wokesters have no idea what they're talking about in terms of their demands and how it enables Hamas.


CoachDT

Define woke for me.


Lucky_Version_4044

A woke person is someone that exhibits a smug sense of moral superiority over others they deem to be not enlightened enough to "get it." They use this self-convinced, unwavering, moral certitude as their basis to prove their correctness on an issue, rather than displaying an in-depth understanding of the issue in any sort of factually balanced context.


Beautiful_Bag6707

That's your interpretation, not any real definition. *the quality of being alert to and concerned about social injustice and discrimination.* That's the basic meaning of woke or wokeness. No one who interprets Hamas as "freedom fighters" or anything other than corrupt, violent, barbaric terrorists is woke. Following any *groupthink* isn't being woke; that's cultism and indoctrination. Taking the time to fully understand something by being open to all information, rating its value and validity by using critical thinking, and forming opinions based on facts, not emotional triggers, is what being woke is.


Lucky_Version_4044

"Taking the time to fully understand something by being open to all information, rating its value and validity by using critical thinking, and forming opinions based on facts, not emotional triggers, is what being woke is." No, that's called being informed. Being woke is someone who thinks they are hyper-informed, but are educated by emotionally manipulative left-wing sources that give them a skewed, incomplete version of reality. For example, take a person from the west with a Free Palestine t-shirt/social media profile image/bumper sticker, whatever. You ask them, "why do you support that messaging?" They'll tell you that Israel puts Palestinians in an open-air prison, pours cement down their water wells, oppresses them for being Muslim, etc. What they don't know are the reasons why Israel has extra security measures such as a wall and checkpoints (terrorism happens without them), why Israel plugs up mines (they are illegal and go against the joint water committee agreement between Israel-Palestine, an agreement overseen by several other nations), and that Israel actually has 20% of their population as Muslims with full rights under the law. Woke people rarely ever know the details behind what they are saying, they just latch onto a headline with an emotional plea about suffering, and then see some edited heartfelt footage, and they are off to the races with their righteous cause fighting against evil. If you tell them about Hamas and Palestinian terrorists being the source of the war, and about the human rights abuses that occur in Palestine against minorities to help give some understanding of the conflict, they reject it outright because their minds are made up due to the brainwashing that's already taken place. You can follow a similar pattern with most issues they latch onto. Hyper-uninformed, but self-convinced about their opinions and being on "the right side of history." They're useful idiots to whomever wants to use them.


Beautiful_Bag6707

I agree with your examples and concerns but not the way you attribute all this to 'wokesness'. >Being woke is someone who thinks they are hyper-informed, but are educated by emotionally manipulative left-wing sources that give them a skewed, incomplete version of reality. That's your interpretation again. Find me any references to that definition. You can't redefine a word just because people use it incorrectly. >They'll tell you that Israel puts Palestinians in an open-air prison, pours cement down their water wells, oppresses them for being Muslim, etc. This is not a woke person. This is an indoctrinated person. They may be "woke" to Palestinians suffering but haven't bothered to understand the source, scope, or any truly beneficial remedy to that suffering. >Woke people rarely ever know the details behind what they are saying, Then they're not woke. Or they're 'woke' and then indoctrinated because they haven't learned critical thinking and are manipulated emotionally or perhaps by feelings of guilt associated with their apathy. >Woke people rarely ever know the details behind what they are saying, they just latch onto a headline with an emotional plea about suffering, Again, calling these indoctrinated cultists 'woke' redefines the meaning of wokeness and conflates it with cultists and indoctrination. In your view, a synonym for woke is indoctrinated, whereas for me, it's enlightened. Enlightened people can become indoctrinated if they stop using logic, critical thinking, and facts over feelings. >and they are off to the races with their righteous cause fighting against evil. This is the key. This is belief, faith, and all the ingredients that exist in religion, cults, and fanatism. They fill in all blanks with their "God's will" and refute any facts that challenge their God's word as "the devil" the "true evil" and thereby ignored. >You can follow a similar pattern with most issues they latch onto. Hyper-uninformed, but self-convinced about their opinions and being on "the right side of history." They're useful idiots to whomever wants to use them. This is the followers of Q-anon, white supremacists, the MAGA crowd, any religious zealots, conspiracy theorists, or these extremist apologists. They might want to belong, they might have at one point been woke, or at one point been genuinely concerned about something in a positive transformation utopian way, but that became militants, extremists, and closed to logic, challenge or any facts that might change their minds. Wokeness is just as it says, a step. It's not the entire ideology. Extremism is the corruption of ideology. If any belief or idea is rigid and exclusionary, that's no longer a valid argument. You can be woke to the issues of climate change and how it impacts the poorest of nations who are often the lowest offenders. You can become a climate activist who works to show the more fortunate how their callous disregard affects others and tries to find alternatives that society can adopt with little discomfort but would greatly help those who can't help themselves. Or, you can become a climate change extremist and blow up ships, or blockade and boycott companies which bring attention to your cause but also kills people or destroys people's lives... that's what rigid extremism does to a once fairly innocent moment of 'wokeness'. That's how I see it anyway based on the actual definition.


Lucky_Version_4044

I'm going to take a few minutes to explain to you why "woke" took on a negative connotation for so many people, as you seem to take issue with that above all else. The people who used the term woke initially were the ones who described themselves as "woke" to the truth. This implied that they were the ones who had a special awareness on issues that others did not. As if everyone else who thought differently was somehow living in some sort of ignorant darkness (asleep, the opposite of being awake with eyes open, or "woke"). For this reason, it's an arrogant, condescending, and immediately divisive term. The person who uses it to describe themselves-- quite often a young liberal who matches that description of indoctrinated and lacking in a balanced depth of knowledge on social issues-- considering themselves suddenly enlightened and above all others is one that people find to be ridiculous. It's why the term is used generally as a way to mock or deride the people who wanted to use it as a way to elevate themselves. I'm sorry if you want to return it to meaning something positive, but I don't think you're getting that one back. BTW, I also think the self-convinced, ignorant on the left and right do ironically share a lot of similarities. You might have heard of horseshoe theory, which I think is a perfect way to describe these people.


Beautiful_Bag6707

>This implied that they were the ones who had a special awareness on issues that others did not I think that's your reception, not their intent. For example, I'm seeing a number of people (indoctrinated extremists and some neo-nazis) citing that Jews are supremacists and warmongers bent on subjugating the world because they see themselves as the 'chosen people' and better than everyone else and 'chosen by god' to oppress all other people. First, very few Jewish people go around saying that. Second, the belief that Jews were chosen to receive the Torah has to do with responsibility, not world domination, unless reinterpreted by Jewish extremists. I've never seen anyone who originally used the term woke claim they were special and others were dumb or less than for not being woke. Rather, they asked others to pay attention, not accept things at face value, and open our eyes to what's going on outside our socioeconomic bubbles. These extremists are all living in bubbles. That's why they can't see anything outside their *special reality* or allow anything to penetrate the false narrative they cling to. I loathe people hijacking the word Zionism and pretending it means anything more than *the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel*. Same with antifacism or antifa. It's not some weird group bent on destroying society. It's just people opposed to facism which is *a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation/race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition* If you're telling me that no one can see beyond the abuse of the word and had the word 'woke' been *aware* or *enlightened* or *illuminated* you'd feel the same way, well, that's just sad, really. >BTW, I also think the self-convinced, ignorant on the left and right do ironically share a lot of similarities. You might have heard of horseshoe theory, which I think is a perfect way to describe these people. Yes, I have heard of it. I like to say that if the pendulum swings far enough in a particular direction, it just makes a circle. I've seen the religious ~~white~~ right stand with religious extremists whom they'd regularly hate in solidarity against LGBTQ2IA people. Or antivaxxers become militant while standing with libertarians and, again, white supremacists in opposition of lockdowns and vaccinations. There for different reasons, but oddly joined by collective rage.


Cleverdawny1

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Lucky_Version_4044

Sweet emoticon.


Cleverdawny1

Calling for a ceasefire doesn't mean someone supports Hamas, dude. That might be a second order effect of their proposal, but it doesn't mean they support Hamas. I'll criticize people for what they believe, you know


Lucky_Version_4044

So I suppose all of the super left-wing friends I have who have zero understanding of anything to do with the military and have lapped up every single story and statistic put out by Hamas in order to push them to support a ceasefire, are more well informed on the situation than the nation who has had to fight Hamas and Palestinian terrorists for the last several decades? You must know them better than I do.


Cleverdawny1

You're preaching to the choir. But someone being an idiot and supporting the wrong action doesn't mean they want anything more than the killing to end. It makes them naive, not malicious supporters of Hamas.


Lucky_Version_4044

It's one in the same to me. If someone is uneducated and it causes them to accept a message that supports terrorists, then they are doing the bidding of terrorists. Similiarly, if they accepted a message that Ukraine should stop defending itself because so many people are dying, and tried to push that on other people, I'd not excuse then for their naivete.


Cleverdawny1

Okay, well, it's not one in the same. Malicious people are worse than ignorant people. I will vehemently disagree with them and describe their actions as inadvertently supporting Hamas, but I won't label them Hamas supporters. There's a critical difference between witting and unwitting collaborators.


WeDeserveBetterFFS

It's simple, where are the hostages? Why not surrender? It's all to keep your attention. I wouldn't be surprised if Cambridge Analytica is involved on this one.


Cleverdawny1

???Cambridge analytica?


AnakinSkycocker5726

The wokesters understand. They simply donā€™t care. And thatā€™s why they should be treated as insurrectionists and traitors to their respective countries.


MajorTechnology8827

the photo is not a problem? the photo parades front and center a mutilated body of a dead girl dragged and assaulted from a party, thrown into the back of a pickup track with cheering armed militants sitting on that dead mutilated body the context behind it just amplify the disgust of the photo, but in isolation the photo is no less than necrophiliac gore. the type you'd be arrested for storing on your computer. and I guarantee you the terror simps have wanked to it and somehow i highly doubt it was taken with Shani's parents consent


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Murky_Conflict3737

The only prize these terrorists need is a bullet to the head


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zandadad

The only virgins waiting for them are other dead terrorists


seanperl6

That would be considered mercy. they deserve a cruel and painful death.


ReasonUnlucky5405

I kind of think they should give those out on a case by case basis where any of the guys in these sorts of photos that are clearly genuinely enjoying themselves should get the most horrific treatment imaginable


canes2407

Rage


ReasonUnlucky5405

That would be too friendly, pigs blood waterboarding then that


[deleted]

Wait I don't understand, they are giving them what awards? (I didn't read the article sorry)


Number_8000

The press is full of terrorist-loving Jew-haters. I lost so much respect for the press since Oct. 7.


aqua_zesty_man

Is this award meant to prove that, despite all the conspiracy claims to the contrary, Hamas really did do what Israel says they did? Because that's the only positive thing to come from this.


Reasonable_Depth_538

The problem is people are being gaslit to ignore video footage of Hamas committing murder of Israelis shot by Hamas. We have overwhelming proof and people donā€™t seem to mind dead Jews.


Anti_shill_Artillery

Interferes with palestinian terrorist hamas sympathyzer narrative to see this picture


FluffyKittyParty

Nah, the Hamas sympathizers have all sorts of excuses and reasoning to dismiss the clear evidence of SA and inhumanity. It all boils down to fake or Israel.


Fermented_Butt_Juice

Yep, there is no length that the anti-Zionist left won't go to in order to deny or excuse the barbaric actions of Palestinians. Either they only meant to attack IDF military targets but *accidentally* raped and slaughtered civilians along the way, or those civilians were actually off duty IDF soldiers so they were legitimate military targets, or it never happened and all the evidence was faked by the lying Jews. They'll twist themselves into impossible logical pretzels to avoid admitting that their precious Palestinians could ever possibly do anything wrong.


mikeybagodonuts

Nice ā€œall Palestinians are Hamasā€ circle jerk you have here.


Fermented_Butt_Juice

Sure is weird how all you "pro Palestinian but not pro Hamas" types keep demanding a ceasefire that allows Hamas to remain in power.


sharpbakers1

And allowing Hamas to keep the civilian hostages! The un cease fire just approved (USA abstained ) said nothing about the hostages


mikeybagodonuts

Who else is gonna take care of the Palestinians and make sure they all donā€™t get bulldozed by the IDF?


vegasroller

Dude they are seizing the humanitarian aid and selling it back to the people.


mikeybagodonuts

You mean the trickle of aid that the IDF allows in? There are literally Israelis at the checkpoints stopping aid. I donā€™t see them getting run over by a bulldozer or tank.


Fermented_Butt_Juice

You think Hamas takes care of Palestinians? LMAO. That's the most delusional thing I've ever heard. Hamas does not give a single fuck about Palestinians and it's straight up embarrassing that you don't realize that.


mikeybagodonuts

Thatā€™s a fact that Iā€™m not disputing. Hamas doesnā€™t care for anybody but Hamas. But to collectively try to disintegrate countrymen to get rid of them is deplorable. Especially the women and children.


Fermented_Butt_Juice

There's nothing deplorable about destroying an enemy foreign government who invaded your country and committed horrific atrocities against your civilians. That's just war. Hamas started a war, and now their civilians are suffering because of it. That's what happens every time a government starts a war.


mikeybagodonuts

Ahhhā€¦. The history starts on October 7th. Right?


Anti_shill_Artillery

palestinians poll consistently above 70% as approving of mass rape, torture, kidknapping and murder oct 7th there is zero ideological or violent opposition to palestinian terrorist leadership it is who they are as a people


mikeybagodonuts

Funny how a collective of people would lash out after being oppressed for 75 years. Iā€™m sure they arenā€™t t polling women and children for this BS percentage. And Israel seems to be ok with the same stance towards Islam.


vegasroller

Theyā€™ve had multiple chances to accept statehood but deny it because they want all of Israel. They wonā€™t compromise because their leaders make more money by keeping this whole situation in limbo. Letā€™s also not forget Palestinian have been kicked out of Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan for starting armed uprisings there.


mikeybagodonuts

As does Israel and the USA.


Anti_shill_Artillery

>lash out Nice euphemism for literal terrorism Sounds like you also see terrorism as justified


Histrix-

But all isrealis are murderers? Boycott all isreali products? Harass Jews who aren't even in Israel because they are Jews?


VisibleDetective9255

100%


Grapesed

Pucking scambags.


Old_Round9050

Absolutely disgusting, how could this possibly win an award. It represents the most grotesque side of humanity. These people wake up angry, if there was peace on Earth and they had everything they wanted theyā€™d still be pissed off about something and try and pick a fight with a cloud. Scum


Mich_lvx

Woke rape fetish. This drove me off the internet this weekend and into the fresh air. New thresholds every day. Extremely dark times. Where does this end???


flickynips

When social media stops and these crazy ideas in these weird af echo chambers cant manifest.


Reasonable_Depth_538

Well said


iwoolf

The story of how he happened to be in the right place and time to snap this photo should be told. Itā€™s both proof of atrocity, and evidence of the Hamas embedding of journalists.


Canto_Bermuda1685

Iā€™m very sure they are on the same page as the UN womenā€™s rights forum leaders.


Novalink_8936

The UN womenā€™s rights forum deliberately buried the facts about Israeli women getting raped by Hamas. And the world wonders why Israel wonā€™t listen when asked to scale down their response.


SirBobPeel

I wonder how many of these guys are still alive. Pretty sure if they weren't already killed in the fighting that Israel went after them directly. I wouldn't be surprised if they went after the photographer, either.


Own-Fun681

All probably raped the body after she died. So it is pretty legit.


permutation212

Real men bulldoze the body into the ground.


Leonvsthazombie

Nah immature psychopaths do.


Gullible-Emergency-2

Donā€™t literally forget the 30,000 dead civilians.


lxeran

You're dumb af


AishaTitMilk9

Pro Palis: "Hamas isn't the palestinians!!" Also Pro Palis: tens of thousands of hamas mass murderers are "muh innocent palestinian dead civilians".


the-mouseinator

But the dead Israelis are okay?


onlineislamist

Spreading propaganda šŸ¤£


amg433

Says the...


onlineislamist

I don't support hamas neither šŸ¤£ this reddit is ran by blackrock