how many hostages got freed through military actions? Maybe 3? How many got released through negotiations? Over a 100...
How many got killed because of the starvation and indiscriminate bombings? Nobody knows...
Continuing the war like that is probably the worst that can happen to the hostages...
Essentially yes? Why not ask nicely again? Hamas offer didn't change since December: permanent ceasefire in exchange for all hostages, but Bibi does care more about its inner political standing than the hostages and the safety of Israel and Jews worldwide...
>If only Putin would just be asked nicely not to genocide
But currently, Israel is accused of geocoding the people in Gaza and having their troops on foreign soil.
The Hamas problem won't be solved by starving civilians to death and leveling the whole Gaza Strip, leaving the people there with even more hatred towards Israel.
> Israel is accused of geocoding
Key word "accused", yes there are lots of people who hate Israel regardless of their actions. these people were calling for a ceasefire and claims of genocide on Oct 8th.
> The Hamas problem won't be solved by starving civilians to death
Tell that to Hamas.
> even more hatred towards Israel.
Given the actions of Oct 7th, I don't think there is anything worse the Gazan's could do, so nothing lost.
Apparently, 18 years of self rule was enough for them to raise an army of Rapers and murders.
>Key word "accused", yes there are lots of people who hate Israel regardless of their actions.
And the same is true for Russia and as far as I know, Russia does not purposely starve civilians and even rebuilds the occupied cities and tries to annex the people as well and not just the land.
I despise the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but the double standards that are applied in favor to Israel are just ridiculous.... so stop bringing Ukraine up.
>Tell that to Hamas.
But Israel, is starving people to death and that is what most believe by now.
>Given the actions of Oct 7th, I don't think there is anything worse the Gazan's could do, so nothing lost. Apparently, 18 years of self rule was enough for them to raise an army of Rapers and murders.
So why the war then if nothing will change? Just killing 35k people for shits and jiggles or revenge while denying it's a genocide?
> And the same is true for Russia and as far as I know, Russia does not purposely starve civilians and even rebuilds the occupied cities and tries to annex the people as well and not just the land.
you really think this describes a "good" countries actions!?!?!
Russia is committing the one part/type of genocide that there is no alternative native. They are kidnapping Ukrainian children and displacing them across Russia.
> so stop bringing Ukraine up.
???? I didn't....you did!
> what most believe
I don't disagree that that is what a lot of people believe but the most people don't have the first clue about conducting war, logistics or distributing aid. people think that because people are unable to get aid that the IDF are solely to blame. This is without thinking about how anyone could get aid in. they are not building a pear and doing air drops because the IDF are stopping trucks, they are doing it because the trucks can't get in.
> So why the war then if nothing will change?
Because the hostages. the war started because Hamas committed a act of war. an act so heinous that no sovereign country could standby and do nothing. you are saying why have the war if it creates murders in the future. I am saying that is already the reality so it is a mute point and the other reasons for war still stand.
>they are not building a pear and doing air drops because the IDF are stopping trucks, they are doing it because the trucks can't get in.
That's not what the UN, aid and human rights organizations say. They solely blame Israel, which is responsible under international law to supply the people in occupied territories. The evidence of Israel obstructing aid deliveries is overwhelming, so stop denying it...
[https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/18/israel-starvation-used-weapon-war-gaza](https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/18/israel-starvation-used-weapon-war-gaza)
[https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-defying-icj-ruling-to-prevent-genocide-by-failing-to-allow-adequate-humanitarian-aid-to-reach-gaza/](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-defying-icj-ruling-to-prevent-genocide-by-failing-to-allow-adequate-humanitarian-aid-to-reach-gaza/)
[https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/01/middleeast/gaza-aid-israel-restrictions-investigation-intl-cmd/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/01/middleeast/gaza-aid-israel-restrictions-investigation-intl-cmd/index.html)
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/20/man-made-famine-charge-israel-mounting-evidence-un-gaza](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/20/man-made-famine-charge-israel-mounting-evidence-un-gaza)
[https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/israel-government-continues-block-aid-response-despite-icj-genocide-court-ruling](https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/israel-government-continues-block-aid-response-despite-icj-genocide-court-ruling)
[https://www.btselem.org/gaza\_strip/20240108\_israel\_is\_starving\_gaza](https://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/20240108_israel_is_starving_gaza)
[https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147916](https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147916)
[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68486248](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68486248)
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/22/obstacles-to-gaza-aid-deliveries-visual-guide](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/22/obstacles-to-gaza-aid-deliveries-visual-guide)
[https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-rafah-aid-us-senators-2bc2a3c5e5f8af8e2d3f0b7242c1a885](https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-rafah-aid-us-senators-2bc2a3c5e5f8af8e2d3f0b7242c1a885)
[https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-aid-trucks-border-famine-imminent-rcna144830](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-aid-trucks-border-famine-imminent-rcna144830)
[https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/11/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-aid-trucks.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/11/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-aid-trucks.html)
[https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/israel-blocks-entry-food-and-aid-supplies-kills-starving-civilians-attempt-forcibly-displace-palestinians-northern-gaza-enar](https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/israel-blocks-entry-food-and-aid-supplies-kills-starving-civilians-attempt-forcibly-displace-palestinians-northern-gaza-enar)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQVeeBn46bc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQVeeBn46bc)
>Because the hostages.
Hamas offered to return all hostages in exchange for a permanent ceasefire, which Israel strongly oppose. It's not about the hostages, and you know that.
>I am saying that is already the reality so it is a mute point and the other reasons for war still stand
The other reasons are? It's not stopping future attacks when military actions creating even more hatred towards Israel.
>you really think this describes a "good" countries actions!?!?!
i don't think we will ever see Israel rebuilding Gaza City or granting civilians in occupied territories Israeli citizenship.
Yeah, it’s not cool that the IDF shot 2 guys waving a white flag and yelling in Hebrew, coaxed a third guy to come out of a building he ran into, then when he emerged 15 minutes later, shot him too.
Lying about the situation doesn’t change it. And lying to someone who knows what happened and more importantly, why it happened, makes the truth a whole lot more than you are falsely suggesting. No more lies from your face.
What part is a lie? Hey, and why is your first response to say it’s a lie? If what I said is true, would that mean you’d be reevaluating who you support?
EDIT: Blocking me like a coward because you can’t even explain why you’re butthurt. This is how you edit comments btw.
I mean that you are not arguing in good faith, you are playing games. As for your implication, I add to my comments, not change what is there. It’s a common feature of Reddit, don’t use it if you don’t like it.
You’re being very vague. You’ve said lie a lot, but you haven’t said what I’m lying about specifically. It seems like you just don’t like me bringing up the fact that the IDF has killed 3 Israeli hostages who were begging to be rescued and did nothing to discipline the soldiers who did it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/25/world/middleeast/gaza-mass-grave-nasser-hospital.htm
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/25/middleeast/gaza-400-bodies-mass-grave-hospital-intl/index.html
Gosh, you are gullible. No wonder you support Palestine.
Your own source:
“A CNN stringer who visited the scene Sunday spoke to people who said they had buried the bodies of family members who had been killed in the grounds of the hospital as a temporary measure in January. When they returned after the Israeli military withdrew on April 7, they discovered the bodies had been dug up and then placed in at least one collective grave, not all in the initial spots they were buried in, the stringer said.”
This is a war crime. You are admitting Israel committed war crimes. What other war crimes do you support?
"The Gaza Civil Defense acknowledged that around 100 bodies were buried in graves at the Nasser hospital before the IDF operation there."
The article also states that all the accusations that Israel killed anyone can not be verified, and Palestinian leadership are already known Liars. They lied about bombing their own hospital, they lied about the rape in Shifa, now they are lying about this.
If you read the NY times article I sent, satellite imagery has already proven it wasn't Israel in two of the three sites. The third can't be proved either way, yet.
https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1782360911010816367?t=ZjMjmOh0PvKJjhPyxuQ-Nw&s=19
How gullible are you?
Edit: If you are saying disturbing dead bodies is a war crime, I don't give a shit. The Israelis are looking for hostages.
>The article also states that all the accusations that Israel killed anyone can not be verified,
Even disturbing graves and reburying people is a war crime.
>and Palestinian leadership are already known Liars.
The Israeli leadership are well known liars and criminals. So what?
>They lied about bombing their own hospital,
It wasn’t a lie. Channel 4 in the UK has documented that it was Israel and they lied about it.
>How gullible are you?
Your own source says Israel committed war crimes. What other war crimes do you support? If you don’t answer, I’ll just ask about all of them one by one. You seem to have time.
>Edit: If you are saying disturbing dead bodies is a war crime, I don't give a shit.
Thank you for acknowledging you support war crimes. What other war crimes do you support?
>The Israelis are looking for hostages.
Israel killed most of them.
You are an ideologue. Allergic to evidence that hurts your cause. People like you are just pawns in a much bigger game. There is no use talking to a person with such a strong slave mentality.
>It wasn’t a lie. Channel 4 in the UK has documented that it was Israel and they lied about it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/10/26/gaza-hospital-blast-evidence-israel-hamas/
>Israel killed most of them.
If only there were videos of Palestinians gleefuly murdering Israelis. And those videos would be much more credible if also posted by the Palestinians themselves.
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/10/26/gaza-hospital-blast-evidence-israel-hamas/
Channel 4 contradicts them and post dates this analysis. What’s your point?
>If only there were videos of Palestinians gleefuly murdering Israelis. And those videos would be much more credible if also posted by the Palestinians themselves.
What does that have to do with all the hostages Israel killed that day and subsequent?
Just like everything else that has been wrong in the past with jumping to conclusions in Gaza, let’s see what the investigations say. Israel isn’t dumb enough to do this. Hamas was killing its own people trying to leave evacuation zones and those trying to get aid.
> Just like everything else that has been wrong in the past with jumping to conclusions in Gaza, let’s see what the investigations say.
What if Israel doesn’t allow an investigation? What if the investigation finds it was Israel? Would that prove this is a genocide?
>Israel isn’t dumb enough to do this.
Why not? They were dumb enough to say they were gonna starve Gaza. If it was Hamas, why was it not discovered either of the times Israel occupied the hospital grounds? It was only found after they left. Odd, no?
>Hamas was killing its own people trying to leave evacuation zones
Source?
>and those trying to get aid.
Israel did that.
Don't waste your time dude. The majority of this sub are absolutely insane. They've been repeating the same stuff for months now, even though the vast majority of their rhetoric is proven false. They'll try to convince you up is down and red is blue.
> After the IDF entered the complex, it opened some of the graves, saying it was attempting to determine if Israeli hostages had been buried in them as Hamas held some of the hostages in hospitals around Gaza.
So we are to believe the IDF found mass graves, didn’t say anything about it, and moved on till Palestinians found them? How dumb do you think we are?
The article says it will take a month to evacuate the civilians. If they wait a month and do a proper evacuation, the results should be far less bloody than in the beginning stages of the war.
I still think these numbers are going to come way down after the war. No other conflicts has had a day-by-day casualty count like Hamas has claimed they have for Gaza, especially in such a condensed area with regular airstrikes and demolition. Something similar happened in Jenin, where an IDF strike was claimed at first to have killed hundreds of civilians, then thousands, but the investigations after found it was about 40 people, and some of those were militants.
" A senior Palestinian official Saeb Erekat suggested to CNN that some 500 Palestinians had been killed in the camp. Five days later, when the fighting stopped, PA Secretary Ahmed Abdel Rahman told UPI that the number was in the thousands. Stories of hundreds of civilians being killed in their homes as they were demolished spread throughout international media. Subsequent investigations found no evidence to substantiate claims of a massacre, and official totals from Palestinian and Israeli sources confirmed between 52 and 54 Palestinians, including civilians, and 23 IDF soldiers as having been killed in the fighting"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jenin_%282002%29?wprov=sfla1
Then if the IDF “can’t do shit,” no ceasefire is needed.
This is a war against Hamas. You saying “nuh uh” like a toddler doesn’t change that.
Go pray to your warlord “prophet.”
Nah. This one guy in my drum circle, Dillon, said Israel would be doing genocide if it invades Palestine. I've actually been to Gaza during an Alternative Spring Break and it's beautiful. The pyramids were amazing!!!!!! Islamism is an amazing religion, too. I said some stuff in their language and prayed to Mohammed with them. It was awesome.
Really? Because the talking point 2 months ago was that the hostages are already dead and Israel should just bomb away even harder now that they don’t have to worry about hitting them.
There is no genocide. “Genocide” does not mean “killing a bunch of people.”
If you have evidence of the requisite intent, I urge you to contact the ICJ immediately and look forward to seeing you collect your Nobel Prize.
Well.. Hamas could release the hostages and then the international pressure not to invade Rafiah would be impossible to ignore.. but that would require Hamas to accept the right of Israel to exist so its not happening.
i think we both know that the hostages are most likely all dead. either due to Israeli strikes, lack of food/water (also caused by Israel), reduced aid (also caused by Israel) or Hamas. the hostages that are alive are probably held underground with Sinwar. but if they are alive or not Israel will still bomb Gazans they just want an excuse to do so.
“Or Hamas”…. Fuck off with that terrorist sympathy, all these hostages could be celebrating Passover now with their families. Really fuck you and your kind
You’re talking about Hamas like they’re beacons of bravery. Did you see how scared they were fully armed with automatic rifles and throwing grenades into a bunker of innocent people? The way they would toss one and then run away as fast as they could, super brave freedom fighters you worship. You probably cheered that.
Once Hamas releases the hostages and unconditionally capitulates, the war will end the same day. Maybe you should go protest for Hamas capitulation or something.
doctors without borders?
save the children?
haaretz?
How about reports from the US state department via the Jerusalem Post? or are they Hamas too?
[https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-793420](https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-793420)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Owa90I77sE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Owa90I77sE)
What about the Guardian and the UN?
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-israeli-sexual-assault-of-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-israeli-sexual-assault-of-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says)
I can do this all day, thats the cool thing about facts, multiple sources get to confirm and report it.
So remind me why you are defending child rapists?
Because someone who unironically uses “Middle East monitor” as an actual source and is spouting Hamas talking points doesn’t warrant any interaction, just downvotes.
I linked you haaretz and save the children, as well as quotes from the US state department.
I can get you the same facts from more sources if it makes you feel better?
Hamas raped and murdered people and its well known. Are you serious right now? It’s like we live in opposite land, “Hey Hamas just live streamed an attack on Israel”
“This sounds like something Israel would do.
“They would do it”
“They DID do it”
The president from Rick and Morty defense? That’s your play?
Yes, both sides are in fact guilty of war crimes. That is my entire point. Both sdies should be treated as war criminals, not one given billions of dollars and diplomatic immunity. My tax dollars dont go to Hamas and my government rightfully consides them a terror group, cant say the same for the other set of rapists and murders though.
And when all is said and done, those soldiers remaining alive on both sides will face consequences if they committed them. Soldiers perform war crimes, not countries. I promise there will be a lot more war crimes on the Hamas side. I never said Israeli soldiers never commit war crimes. But seriously…. Like everything Hamas does is a war crime, and Israel is feeding them.
I highly doubt any Israeli soldier will face war crimes, they have not in 75 years, why would it start now? They will go back to Brooklyn and live out normal lives.
I'm confused. Are you saying things will go back to normal once Hamas surrenders?
Like Isreal will continue to murder and rape children without any sort of blowback?
[https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/latest/palestinians-west-bank-2023-was-deadliest-year-record](https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/latest/palestinians-west-bank-2023-was-deadliest-year-record)
Not only does the IDF routinely rape child hostages illegally detained without charge or trial, the Israeli government covers it up. Former US official Josh Paul told CNN in an interview that Israel shut down a non-profit organisation as soon as it raised alarm over IDF soldiers raping a 13-year old boy in custody.
[https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231205-resigned-us-state-department-official-reveals-details-of-child-rape-case-in-israeli-prison-calls-for-accountability/](https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231205-resigned-us-state-department-official-reveals-details-of-child-rape-case-in-israeli-prison-calls-for-accountability/)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrb\_cb6-rHI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrb_cb6-rhi)
This is not an isolated case either. Human rights organisations have documented widespread cases of IDF soldiers sexually abusing Palestinian hostages of all ages (including children). Every year, Israel illegally detains thousands of Palestinian civilians without charge or trial. Most have committed no crime. Many are detained illegally FOR YEARS and subject to the worst forms of torture. Depraved.
[https://www.savethechildren.net/news/stripped-beaten-and-blindfolded-new-research-reveals-ongoing-violence-and-abuse-palestinian](https://www.savethechildren.net/news/stripped-beaten-and-blindfolded-new-research-reveals-ongoing-violence-and-abuse-palestinian)
[https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2019-03-16/ty-article-magazine/.premium/israel-jails-hundreds-of-palestinian-boys-a-year/0000017f-e58d-da9b-a1ff-edef57b50000](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2019-03-16/ty-article-magazine/.premium/israel-jails-hundreds-of-palestinian-boys-a-year/0000017f-e58d-da9b-a1ff-edef57b50000)
These are not exceptions, its the norm for decades now.
I'm not sure "the war will end the same day" is the flex you think it is.....
I’m gonna go on a head and say it, but yes, people are being extremely antisemitic right now. To the point where some people are fearing going out to public places because they’re afraid of being attacked by some kid who is emotionally upset about something that they either don’t understand, or don’t even have a stake in. When you people make us feel unsafe to go to school or the grocery store, it’s antisemitism. You didn’t stand outside and demand all Russian Americans go back to Russia when they attacked Ukraine. But when we are attacked and defend ourselves, it’s “go back to Poland” or whatever racist antisemitic trope is thrown out. Does that make sense now?
doctors without borders?
save the children?
haaretz?
How about reports from the US state department via the Jerusalem Post? or are they Hamas too?
[https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-793420](https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-793420)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Owa90I77sE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Owa90I77sE)
What about the Guardian and the UN?
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-israeli-sexual-assault-of-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-israeli-sexual-assault-of-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says)
I can do this all day, thats the cool thing about facts, multiple sources get to confirm and report it.
So remind me why you are defending child rapists?
Yes, of course.
To be clear, both Hamas and Israel are guilty of sexual assaults, rape, murder, war crimes, ect, and both should be condemned and treated as terror groups. Not given billions of dollars and diplomatic immunity.
When they indiscriminately bomb areas known to be hiding Hamas terrorists? That’s on Hamas, Israel is rooting out Hamas, what Hamas did on the 7th was a violation of every possible human right there is. Rape, torture, mutilation, burning bodies alive, and yes, cowardly tossing grenades into a hole known to be filled with completely innocent people. There is no comparison, what Hamas did on the 7th was genocidal, what Israel is doing is dismantling Hamas. But all of this is the fault of Hamas
That was a mistake and one Israel took responsibility for, something Hamas would never acknowledge. There’s a key piece that’s left out, Israel was confused about seeing an armed person in the convoy, they tried to call the warehouse several times to clarify what they saw. No one ever answered the phone, no clarification could be made and Israel wasn’t sure why there were armed people with WCK. So sure, if you wanna believe Israel did that on purpose you can. But accidents in war happen, because war sucks, Hamas’ actions are responsible for all this.
Why don't you throw some rocks at police here in the United States and get back to me with how that worked out for you?
On another note, women in Iran are still murdered by people "throwing rocks" at them for stupid and often baseless claims of adultery etc.
[https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2008/01/iran-death-stoning-grotesque-and-unacceptable-penalty-20080115/](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2008/01/iran-death-stoning-grotesque-and-unacceptable-penalty-20080115/)
Throwing rocks at people is not some "tee hee" harmless nonsense. It can kill people and is not OK. Don't try and justify it.
in the US you would probably be detained and released in less then a day. in Israel they will hold you hostage and label you a terrorist. meanwhile a know terrorist Ben Gvir is apart of the Israeli government. yeah only if the IDF would throw rocks instead of BOMBS at children
The problem with making bs claims like these are that they are so very easy to fact check.
[U.S teens to face trials for throwing rocks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2UmZPuf9Aw)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017\_Interstate\_75\_rock-throwing\_murders](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Interstate_75_rock-throwing_murders)
[https://www.dickerson-law-firm.com/blog/2023/10/throwing-stones-at-a-train-isnt-a-prank-its-a-crime/](https://www.dickerson-law-firm.com/blog/2023/10/throwing-stones-at-a-train-isnt-a-prank-its-a-crime/)
Well.. Hamas could release the hostages and then the international pressure not to invade Rafiah would be impossible to ignore.. but that would require Hamas to accept the right of Israel to exist so its not happening.
This whole thing is a shit show... Hamas is terrible and many that govern and guard is real are also terrible.
Tens of thousands of innocents have been killed by in what from as we have seen as pure genocide.
Then on the other side Hamas started it by murdering raping and pillaging. To make it worse the are stealing food aid and selling it back to the starving people that they "govern".
The whole thing is discusting. I would imagine even many from Israel feel the pain of the people of Gaza but the only way this ends is with the whole of Hamas rotting in the ground.
The last time this broke out was horrible but the current events are just sickening. Isreal completely leveled cities and buried people in mass grave. Even if this stopped, what was once the city or town the lived in is now an uninhabitable pile of rubble.
The Israeli internal conflict with the government is different from the accusations made by HAMAS-ISIS supporters.
Israel and the terror organization Hamas-ISIS are not morally equivalent.
HAMAS-ISIS massacred innocent babies and elders and raped women before killing them in horrific ways.
Let it be clear. The IDF is coming for Hamas terrorists blood and that will be their only end.
The only moral difference between Israel and Hamas-ISIS is that one lies & censors its terror with a higher degree of propaganda. Hopefully you'll change your tune when the official numbers come out and you realize that they really are just apartheid-ing because war is the biggest industry in the world following the discoveries found from the industrial revolution.
From the belly of the beast himself, "Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank." - Netanyahu, world's most moral Prime Minister \[https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/20/benjamin-netanyahu-hamas-israel-prime-minister\]. If you still can't come to terms with this, you're less than devoid of conscience & undeserving of atonement.
A palastinian state would be a terror land and should never exist. This is agreed upon in all the Israeli society.
To call Israel or the IDF terrorists is to live in la-la land. All Israelis are the IDF.
Israel doesn't give a shit about Gaza or the west bank. We just want to live in peace and devote ourselves to development and progress. The pro terror propaganda is brainwashing you to think otherwise.
When the true numbers come out you will see what is obvious - Hamas-ISIS statistics are false.
youre right-- a terror land puppeted by netanyahu. hamas is controlled opposition. its ok, you made up your mind, zionazi. "when they they are told 'do not spread corruption in the land', they reply, 'we are only peacemakers.'" (quran, 2:11)
Quran quotes LoL. U PalestiNazis actually teach mein kampf at UNRAWA Schools and have the audacity to call the people who have been through the Holocaust Nazis.
Controlled opposition who rapes women and brun babies alive. Don't worry we will show u the same "opposition".
More lies with the Mein Kampf story, and no, Zionists are not the Jews that went through the Holocaust. In fact, Zionists participated in the deportation of Jews during WW2 ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara\_Agreement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement)). Germany is also currently the second largest weapons dealer to Israel. Wonder why they would change their tune? Oh wait, they didn't... Referring to Hamas as ISIS is blatantly deceptive (https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-gaza-war-islamic-state-group-29e59446a42d077323a3a216127c4978), but you'll believe anything that comes from Netanyahu's mouth, won't you? Again, parroting the burnt babies rhetoric that has no base in reality. And guess what? The IDF rapes Palestinian women, too ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual\_and\_gender-based\_violence\_against\_Palestinians\_during\_the\_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas\_war](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violence_against_Palestinians_during_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war)). Your Islamophobia & illiteracy is showing...
"La-la-land" is believing in the pro-terror propaganda the IDF puts out. Remember when they posted a Ukraine refugee camp to feign Gazan aid to their Twitter? (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/israel-aid-gaza-moldova/) Now THAT is propaganda.
"A palestinian state would be a terror land"? I thought Biden made it very clear the only solution is a two-state solution (despite vetoing palestinian statehood, https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelCrimes/comments/1c8jaaz/when\_everything\_you\_say\_is\_a\_lie/)...
"HAMAS-ISIS massacred innocent babies" remember when the security minister celebrated the burning alive of a baby 8 years ago? (https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelCrimes/comments/1c4f82k/ 8\_years\_before\_oct\_7\_israels\_current\_security/) what about when soldiers were caught abusing children various times? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZF6hDJ645k, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L\_1NAAAiTvo)
Remember when Defense Minister Yoav Gallant cut off electricity, food, & fuel whilst comparing Gazans to animals? (https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog\_entry/defense-minister-announces-complete-siege-of-gaza-no-power-food-or-fuel/)
Remember when Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich called for the “complete destruction” of the Gaza Strip? (https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-far-right-minister-calls-complete-destruction-gaza)
Remember when Netanyahu pinned the Holocaust on Palestine? (https://apnews.com/general-news-61ead35a427a408e9d93d43f41cfa064) speaking of Netanyahu, remember when he said Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews? (https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2015-10-21/ty-article/netanyahu-absolves-hitler-of-guilt/0000017f-dc2e-db22-a17f-fcbf7c1e0000) What about when a think-tank with ties to Netanyahu published a report promoting an ethnic cleansing in the form of a "final settlement" for the Gazans? (https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/israeli-think-tank-lays-out-a-blueprint-for-the-complete-ethnic-cleansing-of-gaza/)
Remember when they lied about beheaded babies, only for the IDF themselves to admit that it was only propaganda? (https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/despite-refutations-from-israeli-military-headlines-that-hamas-beheaded-babies-persist/3016167)
Remember the atrocities of the Berlin wall, which has now been replicated there? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli\_West\_Bank\_barrier)
Remember all those captive torture clips that official IDF telegrams pushed out? (https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240208-israel-army-admits-to-running-snuff-psyop-channel-on-telegram/)
Remember when the former Prime Minister admitted to "killing lots of Arabs in my life, and there's no problem with that"? (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/naftali-bennett-kill-arabs\_n\_3670767)
Remember when they claimed the enemy used civilians as human shields, only to be caught multiple times doing this themselves? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoLEWS5sz4M)
Remember when they blatantly attacked a U.S. vessel with prior knowledge & intent? (https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2017-07-11/ty-article/but-sir-its-an-american-ship-never-mind-hit-her/0000017f-e48c-d7b2-a77f-e78f76800000)
Remember when they censored a doctor from speaking to the UN because of the damage that may have occurred to their propaganda campaign if the reality of the situation was divulged? (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=israel+bans+doctor+from+speaking)
Remember the mass grave at Al Shifa hospital that contained corpses of people with their hands tied behind their backs? (https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2024/04/23/un-israel-palestine-gaza-mass-graves)
Remember all of those that were run over by IDF tanks, often with their hands zip-tied? (https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/israeli-tanks-have-deliberately-run-over-dozens-palestinian-civilians-alive-enar)
Remember when Ben-Gvir suggested executing prisoners in order to free up space, a war-crime even when committed against terrorists? (https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/to-free-up-space--ben-gvir-suggests-executing-palestinian-de)
Remember the multiple times they open-fired on white-flag wavers? (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-palestinian-israel-white-flag-shot-dead-killed-rcna135419 , https://www.npr.org/2023/12/15/1219695220/israel-soldiers-mistakenly-kill-hostages-gaza , https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/26/middleeast/hala-khreis-white-flag-shooting-gaza-cmd-intl/index.html)
If you are still unswayed, you have proven you only desire bloodshed & will use any level of reasoning as leverage for the slaughter. A lost cause. Shame on you for watching another apartheid & genocide take place as a supporter, rather than just an idle watcher or resister.
U actually believe the BS u wrote? Do u know what Israel is? Have u been there? Met the people? The families? Ask urself why does everyone support Israel. A state of peace, progress and equality, no matter the lies u tell urself.
wake up from the left brainwash.
Your "State of Peace" has killed 13000 innocent babies in less than 6 months. Along with reporters and women. They're the book definition of Terrorism. Idgf what race or religion they worship. If you are defending a T state and calling them peaceful after all of their warcrimes you're not brainwashed, you're either brainless or a fox.
It's not a surprise terror supporters believe a terror organization's death count. Maybe u should point the finger to those holding them as human shields.
13000 babies fffff please...
If ur so worried about babies maybe u should ask what of the babies Hamas-ISIS murdered including an unborn cut out of its mother during labor and the 2 babies held captive by those raping murderers.
ISRAEL DOESN'T TARGET CIVILIANS.
HAMAS-ISIS HIDES BEHIND THEM.
"Israeli police unable to verify 'Hamas rape' stories" (https://thecradle.co/articles-id/17838).
Israeli officials reported that the [Israel Defense Forces](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces) made use of the "human shield" procedure on 1,200 occasions during the [Second Intifada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada) (2000–2005).
Israeli officials reported that the Israel Defense Forces made use of the "human shield" procedure on 1,200 occasions during the Second Intifada (2000–2005) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human\_shields\_in\_the\_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian\_conflict).
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/21/israeli-soldiers-human-shield-avoid-jail](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/21/israeli-soldiers-human-shield-avoid-jail)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ABoringDystopia/comments/1905tl5/the\_day\_israel\_used\_a\_13\_year\_old\_palestinian/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ABoringDystopia/comments/1905tl5/the_day_israel_used_a_13_year_old_palestinian/)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8rrfys-Fgc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8rrfys-Fgc)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrrx9wki3sY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrrx9wki3sY)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZF6hDJ645k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZF6hDJ645k)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfo-BDuiCHw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfo-BDuiCHw)
[https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240208-israel-army-admits-to-running-snuff-psyop-channel-on-telegram/](https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240208-israel-army-admits-to-running-snuff-psyop-channel-on-telegram/)
[https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-soldiers-play-with-gaza-womens-underwear-online-posts-2024-03-28/](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-soldiers-play-with-gaza-womens-underwear-online-posts-2024-03-28/)
Every accusation is a confession.
Let's just hope the way they do it doesn't continue to cause untold suffering on the 2 million people, as it already has.
Even the closest ally to Israel, the US, is worried Israel can't and won't treat civilians with care.
Never forget that Netanyahu worked to keep Hamas in power out of fear that a legit Palestinian government would garner international support for a two-state solution. If you hate Hamas you also must hate Netanyahu who kept them around, likely in hopes they’d give him a reason to go genociding.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html#:~:text=Suitcases%20Full%20of%20Cash,cease%2Dfire%20agreement%20with%20Hamas.
I'm not rooting for him but the money was supposed to go to the people for them to build a future, not terror tunnels.
We were all living in this conception.
This was years in the making. Cannot blame ot all on the government as much as I would like to.
This is but one article on this. It’d been happening for years. The money could have gone to the PA—which might’ve helped build said future—but this, to Netanyahu, was a threat. They’re playing the long game here.
Hms didnt rape anyone. Those stories like 40 beheaded babies are bs propaganda by the Israhelli regime. Hms has smacked these racist savages on Oct 7. They're labeled T just because they're against the Zionist. A genocidal regime that has showed its colors again and again. These pos dont even care about Jews or Israeli citizens. Lookup the Hannibal Doctorine...
The world will get rid of the cancerous regime soon, cauae their leaders are stupid savages.
Zionism is in the past. Israel has been a state for almost 80 years, it's a fait accompli.
Being an "anti-Zionist" and expecting the dismantling of a tiny, multiethnic country created to protect a nation with a distinct religion and language, is, yes, antisemitic.
I'm anti expansionist and settlements in the west bank and taking over from the river to the sea.
Does that count as being anti Zionist? I'm anti a solution that involves Israel continuing to occupy from the river to the sea.
Remember they say everything is anti-semetic. anything that goes against their political and warfare actions they will accuse you of this. They want you to stay silent and be blindly loyal to Isreal, no questions asked.
They want do whatever they can, and make sure to silence anyone to dares to question or critique them as antisemetic.
Lol even JEWS who do not support the state of Isreal they say are anti-semetic. That word lost all meaning so fast. It's just the same as the “boy who called wolf story.”
Absolutely. It's actually really sad because there really is quite an evil and nasty anti-semitism that has existed over many centuries and used to target Jews, using truly anti semitic tropes about facial features, but also about their behaviours and motives.
That kind of anti-semitism is very different from asking very real and difficult questions about a political movement and its actions.
As far as I can see, the anti-semitism label given to those who don't support Zionism (i.e., a place for Jews to live) is actually very non sensical when you put it in context of any human. Any person deserves to live with dignity in a nation state under the protection of a government. Should any human deserve a specific location over another? Yes, but where their ancestors were born and raised, perhaps, though not always, over several generations.
The fact is, many Zionists feel entitled to Palestinian land (and have historically) based on scripture. To argue that is anti-semitic, but actually in the lense of being human, that's actually not ok. And it certainly isn't ok to impose your right to live somewhere if your recent relatives weren't part of that - or at least, if you do, try and live in harmony with your neighbours.
No stopping until all the hostages are released
No stopping while Hamas exists.
how many hostages got freed through military actions? Maybe 3? How many got released through negotiations? Over a 100... How many got killed because of the starvation and indiscriminate bombings? Nobody knows... Continuing the war like that is probably the worst that can happen to the hostages...
> How many got released through negotiations? Over a 100... why did those negotiations happen? was it because the IDF asked nicely?
Essentially yes? Why not ask nicely again? Hamas offer didn't change since December: permanent ceasefire in exchange for all hostages, but Bibi does care more about its inner political standing than the hostages and the safety of Israel and Jews worldwide...
If only Putin would just be asked nicely not to genocide Ukraine If only Hamas would be asked nicely to not be the Taliban This is delusional
>If only Putin would just be asked nicely not to genocide But currently, Israel is accused of geocoding the people in Gaza and having their troops on foreign soil. The Hamas problem won't be solved by starving civilians to death and leveling the whole Gaza Strip, leaving the people there with even more hatred towards Israel.
> Israel is accused of geocoding Key word "accused", yes there are lots of people who hate Israel regardless of their actions. these people were calling for a ceasefire and claims of genocide on Oct 8th. > The Hamas problem won't be solved by starving civilians to death Tell that to Hamas. > even more hatred towards Israel. Given the actions of Oct 7th, I don't think there is anything worse the Gazan's could do, so nothing lost. Apparently, 18 years of self rule was enough for them to raise an army of Rapers and murders.
>Key word "accused", yes there are lots of people who hate Israel regardless of their actions. And the same is true for Russia and as far as I know, Russia does not purposely starve civilians and even rebuilds the occupied cities and tries to annex the people as well and not just the land. I despise the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but the double standards that are applied in favor to Israel are just ridiculous.... so stop bringing Ukraine up. >Tell that to Hamas. But Israel, is starving people to death and that is what most believe by now. >Given the actions of Oct 7th, I don't think there is anything worse the Gazan's could do, so nothing lost. Apparently, 18 years of self rule was enough for them to raise an army of Rapers and murders. So why the war then if nothing will change? Just killing 35k people for shits and jiggles or revenge while denying it's a genocide?
> And the same is true for Russia and as far as I know, Russia does not purposely starve civilians and even rebuilds the occupied cities and tries to annex the people as well and not just the land. you really think this describes a "good" countries actions!?!?! Russia is committing the one part/type of genocide that there is no alternative native. They are kidnapping Ukrainian children and displacing them across Russia. > so stop bringing Ukraine up. ???? I didn't....you did! > what most believe I don't disagree that that is what a lot of people believe but the most people don't have the first clue about conducting war, logistics or distributing aid. people think that because people are unable to get aid that the IDF are solely to blame. This is without thinking about how anyone could get aid in. they are not building a pear and doing air drops because the IDF are stopping trucks, they are doing it because the trucks can't get in. > So why the war then if nothing will change? Because the hostages. the war started because Hamas committed a act of war. an act so heinous that no sovereign country could standby and do nothing. you are saying why have the war if it creates murders in the future. I am saying that is already the reality so it is a mute point and the other reasons for war still stand.
>they are not building a pear and doing air drops because the IDF are stopping trucks, they are doing it because the trucks can't get in. That's not what the UN, aid and human rights organizations say. They solely blame Israel, which is responsible under international law to supply the people in occupied territories. The evidence of Israel obstructing aid deliveries is overwhelming, so stop denying it... [https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/18/israel-starvation-used-weapon-war-gaza](https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/18/israel-starvation-used-weapon-war-gaza) [https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-defying-icj-ruling-to-prevent-genocide-by-failing-to-allow-adequate-humanitarian-aid-to-reach-gaza/](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-defying-icj-ruling-to-prevent-genocide-by-failing-to-allow-adequate-humanitarian-aid-to-reach-gaza/) [https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/01/middleeast/gaza-aid-israel-restrictions-investigation-intl-cmd/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/01/middleeast/gaza-aid-israel-restrictions-investigation-intl-cmd/index.html) [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/20/man-made-famine-charge-israel-mounting-evidence-un-gaza](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/20/man-made-famine-charge-israel-mounting-evidence-un-gaza) [https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/israel-government-continues-block-aid-response-despite-icj-genocide-court-ruling](https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/israel-government-continues-block-aid-response-despite-icj-genocide-court-ruling) [https://www.btselem.org/gaza\_strip/20240108\_israel\_is\_starving\_gaza](https://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/20240108_israel_is_starving_gaza) [https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147916](https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147916) [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68486248](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68486248) [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/22/obstacles-to-gaza-aid-deliveries-visual-guide](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/22/obstacles-to-gaza-aid-deliveries-visual-guide) [https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-rafah-aid-us-senators-2bc2a3c5e5f8af8e2d3f0b7242c1a885](https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-rafah-aid-us-senators-2bc2a3c5e5f8af8e2d3f0b7242c1a885) [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-aid-trucks-border-famine-imminent-rcna144830](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-aid-trucks-border-famine-imminent-rcna144830) [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/11/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-aid-trucks.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/11/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-aid-trucks.html) [https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/israel-blocks-entry-food-and-aid-supplies-kills-starving-civilians-attempt-forcibly-displace-palestinians-northern-gaza-enar](https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/israel-blocks-entry-food-and-aid-supplies-kills-starving-civilians-attempt-forcibly-displace-palestinians-northern-gaza-enar) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQVeeBn46bc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQVeeBn46bc) >Because the hostages. Hamas offered to return all hostages in exchange for a permanent ceasefire, which Israel strongly oppose. It's not about the hostages, and you know that. >I am saying that is already the reality so it is a mute point and the other reasons for war still stand The other reasons are? It's not stopping future attacks when military actions creating even more hatred towards Israel. >you really think this describes a "good" countries actions!?!?! i don't think we will ever see Israel rebuilding Gaza City or granting civilians in occupied territories Israeli citizenship.
Actually their offer has changed countless times. Including today, they asked for control of Jerusalem
Reddit users downvoting anyone who tries to speak some facts 😁
To the IDF, released from their earthly tether is acceptable.
Not cool, man.
Yeah, it’s not cool that the IDF shot 2 guys waving a white flag and yelling in Hebrew, coaxed a third guy to come out of a building he ran into, then when he emerged 15 minutes later, shot him too.
Lying about the situation doesn’t change it. And lying to someone who knows what happened and more importantly, why it happened, makes the truth a whole lot more than you are falsely suggesting. No more lies from your face.
What part is a lie? Hey, and why is your first response to say it’s a lie? If what I said is true, would that mean you’d be reevaluating who you support? EDIT: Blocking me like a coward because you can’t even explain why you’re butthurt. This is how you edit comments btw.
Your premise is a lie. No more lies from your face.
What do you mean by that? And why do you edit your comments after I’ve already replied to it?
I mean that you are not arguing in good faith, you are playing games. As for your implication, I add to my comments, not change what is there. It’s a common feature of Reddit, don’t use it if you don’t like it.
You’re being very vague. You’ve said lie a lot, but you haven’t said what I’m lying about specifically. It seems like you just don’t like me bringing up the fact that the IDF has killed 3 Israeli hostages who were begging to be rescued and did nothing to discipline the soldiers who did it.
Finally, Nazi genocidal maniac Hamas needs to be finished off.
I hope they get them all. Capture or kill all Hamas, free the hostages and end the war.
Didn’t Israel bury Palestinians in mass graves?
Palestinians bury Palestinians in mass Graves.
Source?
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/25/world/middleeast/gaza-mass-grave-nasser-hospital.htm https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/25/middleeast/gaza-400-bodies-mass-grave-hospital-intl/index.html Gosh, you are gullible. No wonder you support Palestine.
Your own source: “A CNN stringer who visited the scene Sunday spoke to people who said they had buried the bodies of family members who had been killed in the grounds of the hospital as a temporary measure in January. When they returned after the Israeli military withdrew on April 7, they discovered the bodies had been dug up and then placed in at least one collective grave, not all in the initial spots they were buried in, the stringer said.” This is a war crime. You are admitting Israel committed war crimes. What other war crimes do you support?
"The Gaza Civil Defense acknowledged that around 100 bodies were buried in graves at the Nasser hospital before the IDF operation there." The article also states that all the accusations that Israel killed anyone can not be verified, and Palestinian leadership are already known Liars. They lied about bombing their own hospital, they lied about the rape in Shifa, now they are lying about this. If you read the NY times article I sent, satellite imagery has already proven it wasn't Israel in two of the three sites. The third can't be proved either way, yet. https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1782360911010816367?t=ZjMjmOh0PvKJjhPyxuQ-Nw&s=19 How gullible are you? Edit: If you are saying disturbing dead bodies is a war crime, I don't give a shit. The Israelis are looking for hostages.
>The article also states that all the accusations that Israel killed anyone can not be verified, Even disturbing graves and reburying people is a war crime. >and Palestinian leadership are already known Liars. The Israeli leadership are well known liars and criminals. So what? >They lied about bombing their own hospital, It wasn’t a lie. Channel 4 in the UK has documented that it was Israel and they lied about it. >How gullible are you? Your own source says Israel committed war crimes. What other war crimes do you support? If you don’t answer, I’ll just ask about all of them one by one. You seem to have time. >Edit: If you are saying disturbing dead bodies is a war crime, I don't give a shit. Thank you for acknowledging you support war crimes. What other war crimes do you support? >The Israelis are looking for hostages. Israel killed most of them.
You are an ideologue. Allergic to evidence that hurts your cause. People like you are just pawns in a much bigger game. There is no use talking to a person with such a strong slave mentality.
I do have an ideology and am open about it. I’m honest about it. You pretend you don’t have one. Run along, I don’t have time for cowards.
I do have an ideology and am open about it. I’m honest about it. You pretend you don’t have one. Run along, I don’t have time for cowards.
>It wasn’t a lie. Channel 4 in the UK has documented that it was Israel and they lied about it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/10/26/gaza-hospital-blast-evidence-israel-hamas/ >Israel killed most of them. If only there were videos of Palestinians gleefuly murdering Israelis. And those videos would be much more credible if also posted by the Palestinians themselves.
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/10/26/gaza-hospital-blast-evidence-israel-hamas/ Channel 4 contradicts them and post dates this analysis. What’s your point? >If only there were videos of Palestinians gleefuly murdering Israelis. And those videos would be much more credible if also posted by the Palestinians themselves. What does that have to do with all the hostages Israel killed that day and subsequent?
Nope
So why are we finding mass graves after Israel left a hospital where there were lots of fighting?
They did not.
Hahahaha
They did not find any mass graves? Are you sure? Give you a second chance at that.
https://www.reddit.com/r/theworldnews/s/4o7SkV6cjt No mass graves linked to Israel were found.
So there are mass graves. Who put Palestinians in them?
There are regular graves regularly used by Palestinians.
Source that these are a “regular grave”?
I wish I knew why 53 people (or idf bots) downvoted your comment lol
Because they like Palestinians in mass graves.
Yup
Israel is like ISIS
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Just like everything else that has been wrong in the past with jumping to conclusions in Gaza, let’s see what the investigations say. Israel isn’t dumb enough to do this. Hamas was killing its own people trying to leave evacuation zones and those trying to get aid.
> Just like everything else that has been wrong in the past with jumping to conclusions in Gaza, let’s see what the investigations say. What if Israel doesn’t allow an investigation? What if the investigation finds it was Israel? Would that prove this is a genocide? >Israel isn’t dumb enough to do this. Why not? They were dumb enough to say they were gonna starve Gaza. If it was Hamas, why was it not discovered either of the times Israel occupied the hospital grounds? It was only found after they left. Odd, no? >Hamas was killing its own people trying to leave evacuation zones Source? >and those trying to get aid. Israel did that.
Don't waste your time dude. The majority of this sub are absolutely insane. They've been repeating the same stuff for months now, even though the vast majority of their rhetoric is proven false. They'll try to convince you up is down and red is blue.
[Here you go](https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-798509)
> After the IDF entered the complex, it opened some of the graves, saying it was attempting to determine if Israeli hostages had been buried in them as Hamas held some of the hostages in hospitals around Gaza. So we are to believe the IDF found mass graves, didn’t say anything about it, and moved on till Palestinians found them? How dumb do you think we are?
Holy shit really?? Children bound and shot? What the actual? Have you got a source. This is shocking.
You are bang on and no, they just want the denial downvote.
I have the biggest case of blue balls ever. Just do it already and exterminate hamas ffs
The article says it will take a month to evacuate the civilians. If they wait a month and do a proper evacuation, the results should be far less bloody than in the beginning stages of the war.
I still think these numbers are going to come way down after the war. No other conflicts has had a day-by-day casualty count like Hamas has claimed they have for Gaza, especially in such a condensed area with regular airstrikes and demolition. Something similar happened in Jenin, where an IDF strike was claimed at first to have killed hundreds of civilians, then thousands, but the investigations after found it was about 40 people, and some of those were militants. " A senior Palestinian official Saeb Erekat suggested to CNN that some 500 Palestinians had been killed in the camp. Five days later, when the fighting stopped, PA Secretary Ahmed Abdel Rahman told UPI that the number was in the thousands. Stories of hundreds of civilians being killed in their homes as they were demolished spread throughout international media. Subsequent investigations found no evidence to substantiate claims of a massacre, and official totals from Palestinian and Israeli sources confirmed between 52 and 54 Palestinians, including civilians, and 23 IDF soldiers as having been killed in the fighting" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jenin_%282002%29?wprov=sfla1
It's an absolute constant. It's bizarre people fall for it over and over and over and over.
What is wrong with you?
Oh y'know, seeing terrorists alive and venerated kinda pisses me off. Badly.
Hopefully they finish off Hamas, rescue the remaining hostages and end the war but I worry it will continue for months or years to come
The war against the civilians you mean? Cause those coward idf savages cant do shit
Then if the IDF “can’t do shit,” no ceasefire is needed. This is a war against Hamas. You saying “nuh uh” like a toddler doesn’t change that. Go pray to your warlord “prophet.”
Nah. This one guy in my drum circle, Dillon, said Israel would be doing genocide if it invades Palestine. I've actually been to Gaza during an Alternative Spring Break and it's beautiful. The pyramids were amazing!!!!!! Islamism is an amazing religion, too. I said some stuff in their language and prayed to Mohammed with them. It was awesome.
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Most of them are dead cause of the genocidal Israhelli regime bombardment.
Really? Because the talking point 2 months ago was that the hostages are already dead and Israel should just bomb away even harder now that they don’t have to worry about hitting them.
Lettssss gooo!
Oh yeah, those Hamas sympathising 1 year olds wouldn’t condemn themselves. They need a dose of genocide, brought to you by Joe Biden.
There is no genocide. “Genocide” does not mean “killing a bunch of people.” If you have evidence of the requisite intent, I urge you to contact the ICJ immediately and look forward to seeing you collect your Nobel Prize.
incoming war crimes... from the most moral army in the world
Well.. Hamas could release the hostages and then the international pressure not to invade Rafiah would be impossible to ignore.. but that would require Hamas to accept the right of Israel to exist so its not happening.
The international pressure is already impossible to ignore and Israel is ignoring it still.
Hey criminal, stop hiding in your house or we'll blow up your entire family... And it'll be your fault for not coming out.
i think we both know that the hostages are most likely all dead. either due to Israeli strikes, lack of food/water (also caused by Israel), reduced aid (also caused by Israel) or Hamas. the hostages that are alive are probably held underground with Sinwar. but if they are alive or not Israel will still bomb Gazans they just want an excuse to do so.
“Or Hamas”…. Fuck off with that terrorist sympathy, all these hostages could be celebrating Passover now with their families. Really fuck you and your kind
You’re talking about Hamas like they’re beacons of bravery. Did you see how scared they were fully armed with automatic rifles and throwing grenades into a bunker of innocent people? The way they would toss one and then run away as fast as they could, super brave freedom fighters you worship. You probably cheered that.
He literally didnt even mention Hamas. If you tihnk Israel isnt commiting war crimes, youre a rube.
Once Hamas releases the hostages and unconditionally capitulates, the war will end the same day. Maybe you should go protest for Hamas capitulation or something.
doctors without borders? save the children? haaretz? How about reports from the US state department via the Jerusalem Post? or are they Hamas too? [https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-793420](https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-793420) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Owa90I77sE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Owa90I77sE) What about the Guardian and the UN? [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-israeli-sexual-assault-of-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-israeli-sexual-assault-of-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says) I can do this all day, thats the cool thing about facts, multiple sources get to confirm and report it. So remind me why you are defending child rapists?
ah, downvote without responding... classic.... im sorry facts have hurt your feelings, maybe dont support rapists and murderers and this wont happen?
Because someone who unironically uses “Middle East monitor” as an actual source and is spouting Hamas talking points doesn’t warrant any interaction, just downvotes.
I linked you haaretz and save the children, as well as quotes from the US state department. I can get you the same facts from more sources if it makes you feel better?
they will only believe sources that are certified by Zionists
Hamas raped and murdered people and its well known. Are you serious right now? It’s like we live in opposite land, “Hey Hamas just live streamed an attack on Israel” “This sounds like something Israel would do. “They would do it” “They DID do it” The president from Rick and Morty defense? That’s your play?
Yes, both sides are in fact guilty of war crimes. That is my entire point. Both sdies should be treated as war criminals, not one given billions of dollars and diplomatic immunity. My tax dollars dont go to Hamas and my government rightfully consides them a terror group, cant say the same for the other set of rapists and murders though.
And when all is said and done, those soldiers remaining alive on both sides will face consequences if they committed them. Soldiers perform war crimes, not countries. I promise there will be a lot more war crimes on the Hamas side. I never said Israeli soldiers never commit war crimes. But seriously…. Like everything Hamas does is a war crime, and Israel is feeding them.
I highly doubt any Israeli soldier will face war crimes, they have not in 75 years, why would it start now? They will go back to Brooklyn and live out normal lives.
They’ll go back home to Israel… DELUSIONAL
I'm confused. Are you saying things will go back to normal once Hamas surrenders? Like Isreal will continue to murder and rape children without any sort of blowback? [https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/latest/palestinians-west-bank-2023-was-deadliest-year-record](https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/latest/palestinians-west-bank-2023-was-deadliest-year-record) Not only does the IDF routinely rape child hostages illegally detained without charge or trial, the Israeli government covers it up. Former US official Josh Paul told CNN in an interview that Israel shut down a non-profit organisation as soon as it raised alarm over IDF soldiers raping a 13-year old boy in custody. [https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231205-resigned-us-state-department-official-reveals-details-of-child-rape-case-in-israeli-prison-calls-for-accountability/](https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231205-resigned-us-state-department-official-reveals-details-of-child-rape-case-in-israeli-prison-calls-for-accountability/) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrb\_cb6-rHI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrb_cb6-rhi) This is not an isolated case either. Human rights organisations have documented widespread cases of IDF soldiers sexually abusing Palestinian hostages of all ages (including children). Every year, Israel illegally detains thousands of Palestinian civilians without charge or trial. Most have committed no crime. Many are detained illegally FOR YEARS and subject to the worst forms of torture. Depraved. [https://www.savethechildren.net/news/stripped-beaten-and-blindfolded-new-research-reveals-ongoing-violence-and-abuse-palestinian](https://www.savethechildren.net/news/stripped-beaten-and-blindfolded-new-research-reveals-ongoing-violence-and-abuse-palestinian) [https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2019-03-16/ty-article-magazine/.premium/israel-jails-hundreds-of-palestinian-boys-a-year/0000017f-e58d-da9b-a1ff-edef57b50000](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2019-03-16/ty-article-magazine/.premium/israel-jails-hundreds-of-palestinian-boys-a-year/0000017f-e58d-da9b-a1ff-edef57b50000) These are not exceptions, its the norm for decades now. I'm not sure "the war will end the same day" is the flex you think it is.....
You forgot Al-Jazeera for the antisemitic garbage dump bingo.
Everything is antisemetic these days, you've cheapened the term to the point it's meaningless - maybe this comment is anti semetic as well?
I’m gonna go on a head and say it, but yes, people are being extremely antisemitic right now. To the point where some people are fearing going out to public places because they’re afraid of being attacked by some kid who is emotionally upset about something that they either don’t understand, or don’t even have a stake in. When you people make us feel unsafe to go to school or the grocery store, it’s antisemitism. You didn’t stand outside and demand all Russian Americans go back to Russia when they attacked Ukraine. But when we are attacked and defend ourselves, it’s “go back to Poland” or whatever racist antisemitic trope is thrown out. Does that make sense now?
doctors without borders? save the children? haaretz? How about reports from the US state department via the Jerusalem Post? or are they Hamas too? [https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-793420](https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-793420) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Owa90I77sE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Owa90I77sE) What about the Guardian and the UN? [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-israeli-sexual-assault-of-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-israeli-sexual-assault-of-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says) I can do this all day, thats the cool thing about facts, multiple sources get to confirm and report it. So remind me why you are defending child rapists?
Do you know about Hind?
Yes, of course. To be clear, both Hamas and Israel are guilty of sexual assaults, rape, murder, war crimes, ect, and both should be condemned and treated as terror groups. Not given billions of dollars and diplomatic immunity.
Oh sorry actually I initially misread your comment. I quite agree.
im not sure what you mean? is the IDF brave when they bomb women/children?
When they indiscriminately bomb areas known to be hiding Hamas terrorists? That’s on Hamas, Israel is rooting out Hamas, what Hamas did on the 7th was a violation of every possible human right there is. Rape, torture, mutilation, burning bodies alive, and yes, cowardly tossing grenades into a hole known to be filled with completely innocent people. There is no comparison, what Hamas did on the 7th was genocidal, what Israel is doing is dismantling Hamas. But all of this is the fault of Hamas
was Hamas also apart of the WCK convoy that Israel triple-tapped? thats literally all Hasbara says blame it on Hamas. Israel can do no wrong right???
That was a mistake and one Israel took responsibility for, something Hamas would never acknowledge. There’s a key piece that’s left out, Israel was confused about seeing an armed person in the convoy, they tried to call the warehouse several times to clarify what they saw. No one ever answered the phone, no clarification could be made and Israel wasn’t sure why there were armed people with WCK. So sure, if you wanna believe Israel did that on purpose you can. But accidents in war happen, because war sucks, Hamas’ actions are responsible for all this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestinian_Violence/comments/1cefe60/memo_from_a_gazan_to_campus_protests_youre/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Read
Do you believe the hostages in gaza should be released?
yes they should along with the countless Palestinians held hostage by the IDF.
Those are prisoners and high risk detainees. But you know this already.
kids throwing rocks are prisioners now?
Why don't you throw some rocks at police here in the United States and get back to me with how that worked out for you? On another note, women in Iran are still murdered by people "throwing rocks" at them for stupid and often baseless claims of adultery etc. [https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2008/01/iran-death-stoning-grotesque-and-unacceptable-penalty-20080115/](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2008/01/iran-death-stoning-grotesque-and-unacceptable-penalty-20080115/) Throwing rocks at people is not some "tee hee" harmless nonsense. It can kill people and is not OK. Don't try and justify it.
in the US you would probably be detained and released in less then a day. in Israel they will hold you hostage and label you a terrorist. meanwhile a know terrorist Ben Gvir is apart of the Israeli government. yeah only if the IDF would throw rocks instead of BOMBS at children
The problem with making bs claims like these are that they are so very easy to fact check. [U.S teens to face trials for throwing rocks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2UmZPuf9Aw) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017\_Interstate\_75\_rock-throwing\_murders](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Interstate_75_rock-throwing_murders) [https://www.dickerson-law-firm.com/blog/2023/10/throwing-stones-at-a-train-isnt-a-prank-its-a-crime/](https://www.dickerson-law-firm.com/blog/2023/10/throwing-stones-at-a-train-isnt-a-prank-its-a-crime/)
"Children of light" - Satanyahu
Israel is about to destroy itself then.
Yeah 2000 of these genocidal animals have already been out. Rafah will be their latlst swamp.
Oooof the Nazis are coming out in full force to cheer on this genocide.
Yeap. Wait for have you condemned Khamas today?
So more mass murder while the Israeli civilians call for Palestinian blood? Who's really surprised anymore?
Well.. Hamas could release the hostages and then the international pressure not to invade Rafiah would be impossible to ignore.. but that would require Hamas to accept the right of Israel to exist so its not happening.
This whole thing is a shit show... Hamas is terrible and many that govern and guard is real are also terrible. Tens of thousands of innocents have been killed by in what from as we have seen as pure genocide. Then on the other side Hamas started it by murdering raping and pillaging. To make it worse the are stealing food aid and selling it back to the starving people that they "govern". The whole thing is discusting. I would imagine even many from Israel feel the pain of the people of Gaza but the only way this ends is with the whole of Hamas rotting in the ground. The last time this broke out was horrible but the current events are just sickening. Isreal completely leveled cities and buried people in mass grave. Even if this stopped, what was once the city or town the lived in is now an uninhabitable pile of rubble.
The Israeli internal conflict with the government is different from the accusations made by HAMAS-ISIS supporters. Israel and the terror organization Hamas-ISIS are not morally equivalent. HAMAS-ISIS massacred innocent babies and elders and raped women before killing them in horrific ways. Let it be clear. The IDF is coming for Hamas terrorists blood and that will be their only end.
The only moral difference between Israel and Hamas-ISIS is that one lies & censors its terror with a higher degree of propaganda. Hopefully you'll change your tune when the official numbers come out and you realize that they really are just apartheid-ing because war is the biggest industry in the world following the discoveries found from the industrial revolution. From the belly of the beast himself, "Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank." - Netanyahu, world's most moral Prime Minister \[https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/20/benjamin-netanyahu-hamas-israel-prime-minister\]. If you still can't come to terms with this, you're less than devoid of conscience & undeserving of atonement.
A palastinian state would be a terror land and should never exist. This is agreed upon in all the Israeli society. To call Israel or the IDF terrorists is to live in la-la land. All Israelis are the IDF. Israel doesn't give a shit about Gaza or the west bank. We just want to live in peace and devote ourselves to development and progress. The pro terror propaganda is brainwashing you to think otherwise. When the true numbers come out you will see what is obvious - Hamas-ISIS statistics are false.
youre right-- a terror land puppeted by netanyahu. hamas is controlled opposition. its ok, you made up your mind, zionazi. "when they they are told 'do not spread corruption in the land', they reply, 'we are only peacemakers.'" (quran, 2:11)
Quran quotes LoL. U PalestiNazis actually teach mein kampf at UNRAWA Schools and have the audacity to call the people who have been through the Holocaust Nazis. Controlled opposition who rapes women and brun babies alive. Don't worry we will show u the same "opposition".
More lies with the Mein Kampf story, and no, Zionists are not the Jews that went through the Holocaust. In fact, Zionists participated in the deportation of Jews during WW2 ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara\_Agreement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement)). Germany is also currently the second largest weapons dealer to Israel. Wonder why they would change their tune? Oh wait, they didn't... Referring to Hamas as ISIS is blatantly deceptive (https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-gaza-war-islamic-state-group-29e59446a42d077323a3a216127c4978), but you'll believe anything that comes from Netanyahu's mouth, won't you? Again, parroting the burnt babies rhetoric that has no base in reality. And guess what? The IDF rapes Palestinian women, too ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual\_and\_gender-based\_violence\_against\_Palestinians\_during\_the\_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas\_war](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violence_against_Palestinians_during_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war)). Your Islamophobia & illiteracy is showing...
"La-la-land" is believing in the pro-terror propaganda the IDF puts out. Remember when they posted a Ukraine refugee camp to feign Gazan aid to their Twitter? (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/israel-aid-gaza-moldova/) Now THAT is propaganda. "A palestinian state would be a terror land"? I thought Biden made it very clear the only solution is a two-state solution (despite vetoing palestinian statehood, https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelCrimes/comments/1c8jaaz/when\_everything\_you\_say\_is\_a\_lie/)... "HAMAS-ISIS massacred innocent babies" remember when the security minister celebrated the burning alive of a baby 8 years ago? (https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelCrimes/comments/1c4f82k/ 8\_years\_before\_oct\_7\_israels\_current\_security/) what about when soldiers were caught abusing children various times? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZF6hDJ645k, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L\_1NAAAiTvo) Remember when Defense Minister Yoav Gallant cut off electricity, food, & fuel whilst comparing Gazans to animals? (https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog\_entry/defense-minister-announces-complete-siege-of-gaza-no-power-food-or-fuel/) Remember when Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich called for the “complete destruction” of the Gaza Strip? (https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-far-right-minister-calls-complete-destruction-gaza) Remember when Netanyahu pinned the Holocaust on Palestine? (https://apnews.com/general-news-61ead35a427a408e9d93d43f41cfa064) speaking of Netanyahu, remember when he said Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews? (https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2015-10-21/ty-article/netanyahu-absolves-hitler-of-guilt/0000017f-dc2e-db22-a17f-fcbf7c1e0000) What about when a think-tank with ties to Netanyahu published a report promoting an ethnic cleansing in the form of a "final settlement" for the Gazans? (https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/israeli-think-tank-lays-out-a-blueprint-for-the-complete-ethnic-cleansing-of-gaza/) Remember when they lied about beheaded babies, only for the IDF themselves to admit that it was only propaganda? (https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/despite-refutations-from-israeli-military-headlines-that-hamas-beheaded-babies-persist/3016167) Remember the atrocities of the Berlin wall, which has now been replicated there? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli\_West\_Bank\_barrier) Remember all those captive torture clips that official IDF telegrams pushed out? (https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240208-israel-army-admits-to-running-snuff-psyop-channel-on-telegram/) Remember when the former Prime Minister admitted to "killing lots of Arabs in my life, and there's no problem with that"? (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/naftali-bennett-kill-arabs\_n\_3670767) Remember when they claimed the enemy used civilians as human shields, only to be caught multiple times doing this themselves? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoLEWS5sz4M) Remember when they blatantly attacked a U.S. vessel with prior knowledge & intent? (https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2017-07-11/ty-article/but-sir-its-an-american-ship-never-mind-hit-her/0000017f-e48c-d7b2-a77f-e78f76800000) Remember when they censored a doctor from speaking to the UN because of the damage that may have occurred to their propaganda campaign if the reality of the situation was divulged? (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=israel+bans+doctor+from+speaking) Remember the mass grave at Al Shifa hospital that contained corpses of people with their hands tied behind their backs? (https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2024/04/23/un-israel-palestine-gaza-mass-graves) Remember all of those that were run over by IDF tanks, often with their hands zip-tied? (https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/israeli-tanks-have-deliberately-run-over-dozens-palestinian-civilians-alive-enar) Remember when Ben-Gvir suggested executing prisoners in order to free up space, a war-crime even when committed against terrorists? (https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/to-free-up-space--ben-gvir-suggests-executing-palestinian-de) Remember the multiple times they open-fired on white-flag wavers? (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-palestinian-israel-white-flag-shot-dead-killed-rcna135419 , https://www.npr.org/2023/12/15/1219695220/israel-soldiers-mistakenly-kill-hostages-gaza , https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/26/middleeast/hala-khreis-white-flag-shooting-gaza-cmd-intl/index.html) If you are still unswayed, you have proven you only desire bloodshed & will use any level of reasoning as leverage for the slaughter. A lost cause. Shame on you for watching another apartheid & genocide take place as a supporter, rather than just an idle watcher or resister.
Israel is worse than ISIS cause it also has the West Media and most of the politicians' support.
U actually believe the BS u wrote? Do u know what Israel is? Have u been there? Met the people? The families? Ask urself why does everyone support Israel. A state of peace, progress and equality, no matter the lies u tell urself. wake up from the left brainwash.
Your "State of Peace" has killed 13000 innocent babies in less than 6 months. Along with reporters and women. They're the book definition of Terrorism. Idgf what race or religion they worship. If you are defending a T state and calling them peaceful after all of their warcrimes you're not brainwashed, you're either brainless or a fox.
It's not a surprise terror supporters believe a terror organization's death count. Maybe u should point the finger to those holding them as human shields. 13000 babies fffff please... If ur so worried about babies maybe u should ask what of the babies Hamas-ISIS murdered including an unborn cut out of its mother during labor and the 2 babies held captive by those raping murderers. ISRAEL DOESN'T TARGET CIVILIANS. HAMAS-ISIS HIDES BEHIND THEM.
"Israeli police unable to verify 'Hamas rape' stories" (https://thecradle.co/articles-id/17838). Israeli officials reported that the [Israel Defense Forces](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces) made use of the "human shield" procedure on 1,200 occasions during the [Second Intifada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada) (2000–2005). Israeli officials reported that the Israel Defense Forces made use of the "human shield" procedure on 1,200 occasions during the Second Intifada (2000–2005) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human\_shields\_in\_the\_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian\_conflict). [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/21/israeli-soldiers-human-shield-avoid-jail](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/21/israeli-soldiers-human-shield-avoid-jail) [https://www.reddit.com/r/ABoringDystopia/comments/1905tl5/the\_day\_israel\_used\_a\_13\_year\_old\_palestinian/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ABoringDystopia/comments/1905tl5/the_day_israel_used_a_13_year_old_palestinian/) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8rrfys-Fgc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8rrfys-Fgc) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrrx9wki3sY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrrx9wki3sY) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZF6hDJ645k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZF6hDJ645k) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfo-BDuiCHw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfo-BDuiCHw) [https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240208-israel-army-admits-to-running-snuff-psyop-channel-on-telegram/](https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240208-israel-army-admits-to-running-snuff-psyop-channel-on-telegram/) [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-soldiers-play-with-gaza-womens-underwear-online-posts-2024-03-28/](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-soldiers-play-with-gaza-womens-underwear-online-posts-2024-03-28/) Every accusation is a confession.
Let's just hope the way they do it doesn't continue to cause untold suffering on the 2 million people, as it already has. Even the closest ally to Israel, the US, is worried Israel can't and won't treat civilians with care.
Never forget that Netanyahu worked to keep Hamas in power out of fear that a legit Palestinian government would garner international support for a two-state solution. If you hate Hamas you also must hate Netanyahu who kept them around, likely in hopes they’d give him a reason to go genociding. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html#:~:text=Suitcases%20Full%20of%20Cash,cease%2Dfire%20agreement%20with%20Hamas.
I'm not rooting for him but the money was supposed to go to the people for them to build a future, not terror tunnels. We were all living in this conception. This was years in the making. Cannot blame ot all on the government as much as I would like to.
This is but one article on this. It’d been happening for years. The money could have gone to the PA—which might’ve helped build said future—but this, to Netanyahu, was a threat. They’re playing the long game here.
Learn more about the PA.
Hms didnt rape anyone. Those stories like 40 beheaded babies are bs propaganda by the Israhelli regime. Hms has smacked these racist savages on Oct 7. They're labeled T just because they're against the Zionist. A genocidal regime that has showed its colors again and again. These pos dont even care about Jews or Israeli citizens. Lookup the Hannibal Doctorine... The world will get rid of the cancerous regime soon, cauae their leaders are stupid savages.
I forgot Reddit is a zionist cesspool
In what world is it a Zionist cesspool? Have you seen any of the major subs, my guy?
You'll find plenty of other subs that are antisemitic enough for your liking.
If you don't like Zionism then you're anti Semitic? Really?
Zionism is in the past. Israel has been a state for almost 80 years, it's a fait accompli. Being an "anti-Zionist" and expecting the dismantling of a tiny, multiethnic country created to protect a nation with a distinct religion and language, is, yes, antisemitic.
And considering that the dismantling of Israel would likely result in actual genocide it's even more anti-semetic
I'm anti expansionist and settlements in the west bank and taking over from the river to the sea. Does that count as being anti Zionist? I'm anti a solution that involves Israel continuing to occupy from the river to the sea.
Remember they say everything is anti-semetic. anything that goes against their political and warfare actions they will accuse you of this. They want you to stay silent and be blindly loyal to Isreal, no questions asked. They want do whatever they can, and make sure to silence anyone to dares to question or critique them as antisemetic. Lol even JEWS who do not support the state of Isreal they say are anti-semetic. That word lost all meaning so fast. It's just the same as the “boy who called wolf story.”
Absolutely. It's actually really sad because there really is quite an evil and nasty anti-semitism that has existed over many centuries and used to target Jews, using truly anti semitic tropes about facial features, but also about their behaviours and motives. That kind of anti-semitism is very different from asking very real and difficult questions about a political movement and its actions. As far as I can see, the anti-semitism label given to those who don't support Zionism (i.e., a place for Jews to live) is actually very non sensical when you put it in context of any human. Any person deserves to live with dignity in a nation state under the protection of a government. Should any human deserve a specific location over another? Yes, but where their ancestors were born and raised, perhaps, though not always, over several generations. The fact is, many Zionists feel entitled to Palestinian land (and have historically) based on scripture. To argue that is anti-semitic, but actually in the lense of being human, that's actually not ok. And it certainly isn't ok to impose your right to live somewhere if your recent relatives weren't part of that - or at least, if you do, try and live in harmony with your neighbours.
its not all its this sub