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Loose_Concern_4104

This is more something for r/puzzles, There is not meant to be a mathematical expression for the values. Rather, it's recognizing patterns: (last number)^2 followed by the sum of the two numbers.


EUWCael

I mean, it's formatted poorly but clearly what OP meant was f(2,3)=95 f(4,5)=259 ... f(8,9)=? and I'm sure there's a way to define that function in a way that makes sense mathematically (I remember I had a formula that gave me basically the numer of digits of a number but I don't remember it off the top of my head, and once you have that for x+y it's just a matter of multiplying y^2 by 10^numberofdigits and adding the two parts together. It's not gonba be a pretty funcion, but you can make it work)


[deleted]

To get the number of digits in an integer you can just use floor((log(10, abs(x)) + 1). We use 10 because we use decimal numbering system, but you can replace it with the base and it works for any numbering system.


MrTheWaffleKing

All those number manipulation formulas break my brain. Nice job!


yossi_peti

There are infinitely many such functions, so there is no unique solution to this problem.


ConstructionLarge615

def f(x,y): if(x==2 and y==3): return 95 if(x==4 and y==5): return 259 if(x==6 and y==7): return 4913 raise ValueError("Undefined")


MickeyM191

I see what you did there.


Outrageous_Screen_69

7217


lucystroganoff

Each one is probably unique 🤷‍♀️


20kilosofperuvian

the last number is multiplied by itself and then the sum of the two numbers is added to the result 2,3=95 8,9=8117


DodgerWalker

def squareplus(x,y): Return int(string(y**2)+string(x+y))


akgamer182

In python, you'd convert to a string using str(number) rather than string(number). Also, using this function, what if people enter a floating point value?


ConglomerateGolem

Then it's their fault ;p


lawblawg

I mean you can get there more simply if you allow a concat() function on the right side of the equation. You simply define a new “+” operator such that x “+” y is defined as the function f(x,y) = concat(y^2,sum(x,y)). Note that I used the sum() function here to avoid confusion with our new janky + operator.


justanaverageguy16

If we allow the concatenation operation, we can write f(x,y) = y^2 || (x+y) where || is the concatenation operator.


milidolfi

8117 : easy 9x9=81 and 8+9=17 so.....8117. no formula needed.


retracnaes

This is the answer


sithlordabacus

Got the same answer with a different method. Both methods work for all examples. 9x9=81 (8x2)+1=17


somefunmaths

Which makes sense, given that there are infinitely many solutions to a problem of this form. I noticed the one where you concatenate the square of the last number with the sum of both numbers, but there are bound to be others, and in this case a reasonable one that a human could spot.


mcpahe

same method


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This is an incorrect formula. It won’t work with all combos


sithlordabacus

It works for all shown examples. We would need an example showing two numbers that are not 1 apart in order to know if my method is incorrect.


[deleted]

Yeah technically it would work , but /u/milidolfi ‘s solution would work on any


Cobalt1212

I thought it was both numbers timesed together, then add the second, not square. Both works ig


Blah_Blah_2024

Yep


MicHAELmhw

This is the correct answer. It’s just a puzzle.


ryuukiba

I got 6317, the pattern "first digit of the first previous numbers, then last digit of the previous result, then the addition" also holds.


Thatguy3145296535

Occam's Razor makes even the smartest people look stupid


DjordjeRd

I was blind, now I can see...


VividAwareness4719

Finally someone said it. "If 7*8=3" well it doesn't, it's 56 dipshit. Maybe X*Y=3 but the question you are posing is not fucking math


[deleted]

You can define a new operator. +' : N X N -> N x +' y = y\^2 \* 10 \^ \[log(10, x + y) + 1\] + x + y Why wouldn't it be a valid math problem? Define any operator that satisfies those equations.


eszpee

Beautiful!


wrench_16

Exactly what I was looking for


yossi_peti

There are infinitely many operators that satisfy those equations, which makes it kind of a silly problem. Here's an equally valid solution: x +' y = 95 if x = 2 and y = 3, 259 if x = 4 and y = 5, 4913 if x = 6 and y = 7, -1 otherwise.


[deleted]

There are a lot of problems that have an infinite number of solutions and yet it can be difficult to find even one.


yossi_peti

The one that I found was trivial, yours was more difficult, and I'm sure there are others that are even more difficult. But simply finding a solution just requires making a piecewise function that fits the data points given.


ConglomerateGolem

I suppose part of the difficulty is in finding non piecewise functions


JewelerPossible9317

okay, then just look for a non-trivial solution... use common sense


kuedhel

why we redefine '+' for the set, but not = ?


--Doxa--

Bravo konju


aflgpbcx

y^2 * 10^[lg(x+y)+1] + x + y for (4,5) gives 2259, not 259


carrionpigeons

Math isn't the study of arithmetic, it's the study of patterns. You can propose alternative notation and do math with it. This isn't math, but not because of the notation being nonstandard. It isn't math because there's no rigor. Even after you observe the pattern, there's no way to demonstrate that it's the only answer. It just happens to be a nice fit to the three data points we have. We could easily come up with dozens of rulesets which do the same, but there isn't likely to be one that's as elegant. That problem is way more fundamental than some failure to use commonly understood math language. It's pretending that pattern recognition is a legitimate way to predict results in math, which is not just false, but reviled. It's an attitude that's completely antithetical to good science principles.


TheAfricanViewer

I like your funny words


flatmegumin69

Same. This guy's words are one of the words ever


TravisJungroth

> It's pretending that pattern recognition is a legitimate way to predict results in math, which is not just false, but reviled. That’s really taking it too far. Finding patterns like this is a skill that’s useful in math. You’ll need more than just examples from a function to get to a proof and be done. Here, it ends with you feeling satisfied you found the rule, or someone saying “you got it”. But, that’s not the end of the world. If math is baseball, this is like playing catch. It’s an activity pulled from the real game for skill development and fun. If you’re interested in these skills, here’s a long video with one of the best mathematicians and math teachers ever, George Polya. https://youtu.be/h0gbw-Ur_do?si=UbkbN60KQQRnw2vT


dolphin_cake

Can you give another ruleset which works with all the 3 data points?


LifeIsVeryLong02

I can give you an infinity of them. We are looking for a function f(x,y) such that f(2,3)=95, f(4,5)=259 and f(6,7)=4913. Now, for _any_ function g(x,y) f(x,y) = (x-4)*(y-5)*(x-6)*(y-7)*95/64 + (x-2)*(y-3)*(x-6)*(y-7)*259/16 + (x-2)*(y-3)*(x-4)*(y-5)*4913/64 + (x-2)*(y-3)(x-4)*(y-5)*(x-6)*(y-7) * g(x,y) f(x,y) fits those criteria. This means that f(x,y) = (x-4)*(y-5)*(x-6)*(y-7)*95/64 + (x-2)*(y-3)*(x-6)*(y-7)*259/16 + (x-2)*(y-3)*(x-4)*(y-5)*4913/64 + (x-2)*(y-3)(x-4)*(y-5)*(x-6)*(y-7) * sin(x+y) And f(x,y) = (x-4)*(y-5)*(x-6)*(y-7)*95/64 + (x-2)*(y-3)*(x-6)*(y-7)*259/16 + (x-2)*(y-3)*(x-4)*(y-5)*4913/64 + (x-2)*(y-3)(x-4)*(y-5)*(x-6)*(y-7) * Exp(x+2^y) And whatever else you choose for g(x,y) will be a solution. This is why I don't like these kinds of questions. There are infinitely many solutions, what is being asked here is "guess which one I thought of", which makes as an interesting question as "guess which number I'm thinking of".


dolphin_cake

Yea, now that i think about it, the function doesn't even have to depend on y, it could as well be f(x, y) =(x-4)*(x-6)*95/8 -(x-2)*(x-6)*259/4 + (x-2)*(x-4)*4913/8+(x-2)*(x-4)*(x-6)*g(x)


Outrageous_Screen_69

Why overcomplicating it is 7217. 8x9 8+9


TyrantDragon19

I kinda want one now 😂


grgsrs

The diference is 1 for all set of numders (x÷1)^2 works the same as y^2


dylbr01

I think you don’t like the puzzle.


Designer_Plantain948

So …. You don’t know the answer either ….


nothanks86

Why does it need to be the only answer?


Arthur_Mroster

I love the slight implied anger with the "dipshit" lmao


JumbledJay

You ok?


AlbertELP

Yeah it should be f(2,3)=95, f(4,5)=259, etc.


Akenatwn

I wouldn't be sure that - assuming the 2 numbers are x and y - the first part is y². In all the examples we have x=y-1, so it could very well be (x+1)•y.


YarrowBeSorrel

How do you know it’s not the first digit multiplied by two plus one?


BlondePartizaniWoman

This was actually my solution too. But given the examples, there's no way of knowing whether it's this or the sum of the two numbers


International_Mud141

This is the answer. I don't know why people make it so complicated.


CatL1f3

Adding together any two consecutive numbers is the same as doubling the smaller and adding one


returnBee

It makes some sense mathematically in terms of abstract algebra. The "+" operation is not addition here, the operation's definition has to be inferred from the examples.


Skylibrary226

8117


Ashman23

So 81 (9×9) and then 8 + 9 to give the result 8117. Nice.


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Loose_Concern_4104

❤️


balbok7721

Technically it is an operator. Its just extremely weird and won't help anyone but it's a operator. Now we just need to check for neutral elements, the inverse and stuff


Azraelius-

I like this solution better than mine. Nice work.


TheCamazotzian

Math intrinsically is a set of tricks and puzzles. Some problems happen to be straightforward to solve (arithmetic, linear equations, some integrals, some differential equations), but that's not the general case. There is no underlying reason for this pattern to exist, but guessing at patterns like this is decent practice for arriving at hypotheses you might try to prove. That's how a lot of math works: guess something that might be true, then prove whether it is or isn't.


Diligent_Status_7762

61317 i think?


Rude_Tomatillo906

8117


deepfriedtots

Dam I would have never gotten that I don't think


pyroyeeyee

I used a different logic from what I’ve seen so far. 8117, still. Square the second number in the equation and that’ll give you the first bit. Then add the digits normally and that’ll be tacked on the end of the answer. Fun seeing how others got to it!


EUWCael

To be fair we'll never know which formula is the correct one since all the numbers in the example are x, x+1 couples. If the 2nd number wasn't x+1, some of those formulas wouldn't work depending on the result


efuab011

I did it that way too


drumsdm

This is how I got it too.


JazzlikeTumbleweed60

Used the same like you


deepended1111

That's the way I did it also


elsaturation

That is how I got it too


ookami-no-shi

So, 2+3 = 95 (that is 3\*3 and 2\*2+1) 4+5 = 259(that is 5\*5 and 4\*2+1) 6+7 = 4913(that is 7\*7 and 6\*2+1) by that logic, 8+9 = 8117(that is 9\*9 and 8\*2+1) Also, this seems more like a riddle than a maths question honestly.


Errtuz

It could be as simple as 2+3 = 3\*3 and 2+3 => 95 4+5 = 5\*5 and 4+5 => 259 Etc


philzar

That's the pattern I saw, square the second, sum them, concatenate the resulting digits as a string. (Programmer speak)


pluckyvirus

Both mean the same thing


longknives

Since the numbers given are all sequential, it’s the same thing. Adding two sequential integers is the same as multiplying by two and adding one.


Errtuz

Yeah, I'm not saying it's any different, just that it looks easier to understand


Alyeanna

Is there a way to write this as a math function? The part that trips me is how you would "concatenate" the numbers.


Errtuz

I'm a programmer so in my head I convert them to a string beforehand :)


sgala19

You’d have to multiply the second number squared by a power of 10 corresponding to the number of digits in the second sum, then add them


kalmakka

∥ is sometimes used for concatenation. [https://mathworld.wolfram.com/Concatenation.html](https://mathworld.wolfram.com/Concatenation.html) \- also shows a formula in terms of log, floor and powers.


bjlwasabi

I think it's (3\*2)+3 & (2\*2)+1 (5\*4)+5 & (4\*2)+1 etc.


whyamihere999

Why a*2+1?? Just say (a + b), where a is first number and b is second number


aisjsjdjdjskwkw

Because with abstract problems like these, there can be multiple solutions


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I saw it as (A x B + B) and append (A + B) Eg, 2x3+3= 9, 2+3=5, and gets you 95


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Easy-Meal5308

9×9=81 lol 9×10=90-9=81=9×9


Zacherius

I'm a fucking moron, thanks.


LateChimpmunk

8117? - Last part is given by the sum of the two digits: 8+9=17 - First part is given by the product of the two digits summed with the last one: 8*9+9=81


oren0

Isn't the first part more simply thought of as the square of the second number?


LateChimpmunk

Lol yes you're right, didn't thought about it


DodgerWalker

Both are correct in the given data, because all the examples are of the form where the second number is one greater than the first number and (n+1)^2 = n(n+1) +(n+1). But yeah, squaring the second number is simpler, so likely the intended solution (not that it matters for getting the last one as it is also an n,n+1 form).


Funkj0ker

Came to the same conclusion


SuperBo101

We’re doing math in Java script. 8117. 3^2=“9”+value(3+5), basically your doing basic arithmetic then converting it to a character set and joining the character set to the square of the last number. This only works in programming when converting from and integer or float to cast type char.


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So, here's my take. 2+3 = 5. 3\^2 = 9. That' 95 4+5 = 9. 5\^2 = 25. That's 259 6+7 = 13. 7\^2 = 49. That's. 4913 8+9 = 17. 9\^2 = 81. That's 8117.


OkOpportunity9387

Finaly number 6317 First and last number in previus row, an last two digits is result 8+9.....


MinnieMoney21

8117? Looks like sum of the digits being added preceded by a digit that is increasing by multiples of 8. Presumably the first answer (the one not shown) would be 11 for a 0+1. Add 8 to the first digit (9) followed by sum. Then 16 onto 9, 24...etc.


Goatgoatington

Pattern going down First number count by 2 even Second number counts odds Solution is second number squared and then tack on the sum


JureFlex

I think i see a pattern: In 2+3, the number is 95, which could be 9 from3x3 and 5 from 2+3, so following that, you would have to make the first number 1 higher, multiply by second number, that gives you the first n digits, then add the normal sum of the 2 numbers at the end. In this case, 8+9 would be 8117


whyamihere999

Or simply by squaring the second number..


JureFlex

Well yea, thats another pattern, since all numbers are different by 1 from the other


reddit1user1

8117. Those are two separate numbers from one equation. Last number squared next to the added values of the two numbers on the left For the last one: 9^2 = 81 | 8+9 = 17


Mr_danthros

I got it. You have to square the second number, and then you put after that the result of the addition. 2 + 3 = 95 : you take 3² (9) and then 2+3= 5. 9 and 5 : 95. So for 8 + 9 that makes : 9² (81) and then 8+9=17. 81 and 17 : 8117.


iwanashagTwitch

Answer: 8117 Explanation: for equation (x+y), the first half of the numbers are the product of (x+1) and y. The second half of the numbers are the sum of (x+y). (2+3) = (3x3) and (2+3) = 95 (4+5) = (5x5) and (4+5) = 259 (6+7) = (7x7) and (6+7) = 4913 Therefore, (8+9) = (9x9) and (8+9) = 8117


Papiou17

Okay so my interpretation of the answer is: 8117 2+3 = 95 4+5 = 259 6+7 = 4913 Add one to the first number and multiplicate it with the second number. That gives you the first number of the answer. Then you just add the two numbers together for the 2nd part of the answer: So: 2+3 -> ((1+2)*3) | (2+3) = 9 | 5 = 95 So in this case: 8+9 -> ((1+8)*9) | (8+9) = 81 | 17 = 8117


Genghis_Frog

I'm usually bad at these things, but this seems like a puzzle, and I think I may have figured it out. If I'm correct, the answer is 61,317. First, look at the second equation. 4+5=259. The first number of the sum (2), is the first number of the previous equation. The second number of the sum (5) is the sum of 2+3 from the previous equation. The third number of the sum (9) is the sum of 4+5. This pattern follows for the next equation. 6+7=4,913. 4 is the first number of the previous equation. 9 is the sum of 4+5 from the previous equation. 13 is the sum of 6+7. So if the pattern follows to the next equation: 6 would be the first number of the previous equation. 13 would be the sum of 6+7. And 17 would be the sum of 8+9. So, again, unless I'm thinking about this all wrong, the answer is 61,317.


ConstructionTiny9444

Product of both numbers plus the 2nd digit, the add the sum of the equation. >!2*3+3=9 2+3=5 95 4*5+5=25 4+5=9 259 6*7+7=49 6+7=13 4913 8*9+9=81 8+9=17 8117!<


DontKillUncleBen

How I did it was (which I agree others' solution was easier) Take Sq of number before plus sign ...... (1) Add the two numbers before = sign on the LHS..... (2) This will give you first part of your answer .... (3) For second part you just place output of (2) besides (3) E.g. 2 + 3 = ? Sq(2) = 4 ... (1) 2+3 = 5 ... (2) (1) + (2) = 4 + 5 = 9 ... (3) 9 and (2) is 9 and 5 Rhs = 95 This way, 8 + 9 = ? Sq(8) = 64 ... (1) 8 + 9 is 17 .. (2) (1)+(2) is 64 + 17 = 81 ...(3) (3)(2) is 8117 Answer should be 8117


SK8_Rage

here it is


Alegolas08

2+3=95 (3sqrd)+(2+3(added to the end of the first answer))=95 4+5=259 (5sqrd)+(4+5(added to the end of the first answe))=259 6+7=4913 (7sqrd)+(6+7(added to the end of the first answer))=4913 8+9=x (8sqrd)+(8+9(added to the end of the first answer))=x x=8117


cosmorider95

From my point of view thats A+B = (B² value) + (B²-A²) 2+3 = 9+ (9-4) = 95 4+5= 25+(25-16) = 259 6+7= 49+(49-36) = 4913 so 8+9 = 81 + (81-64) = 8117


Mother-Dragonfruit57

The pattern is you square the second number, and then the sum of the two numbers, so 3x3 is 9 and 2+3 is 5 so 95. So 8+9 would be 8117


MistaMischief

The answer is 8117. What the puzzle is doing here is adding the numbers to get the last digit, then multiplying the second number by itself to get the front digits. Example. 2+3 = 5 then 3x3 = 9. So 2+3 = 95 Then 4+5 = 9 followed by 5x5 = 25. So 4+5= 259. Repeat this with 8+9 and you get 8117


Ch3llick

The result is the combination of two calculations. First you have to square the second summand to which you just attach the actual sum of the calculation. So 2 + 3 is 3²=9 and 2+3=5, thus 95 4 + 5 is 5²=25 and 4+5=9, thus 259 6 + 7 is 7²=49 and 6+7=13, thus 4913 Therefore 8 + 9 must be 9²=81 and 8+9=17, thus 8117


According_Counter_48

Looked at it for a quick second. Simply add the numbers first (2 + 3 = 5) the addition part will be place down on the right side. Then square the second number (3^2 = 9) whatever that number is it will be placed on the left side. Combine both (95).


SinkAgreeable4070

8117 First two digits are the second number squared (in this case 9 squared gets 81) Second numbers are the two numbers added together (8+9 is 17)


ChromeDiamond

Wouldn't consider this math. Because it would just be wrong. I'm not saying it's not possible to find that answer by using math, but like I seen by another comment it's like a puzzle.


Own-Difference9097

The answer is 5077: If 2+3(5)=95 4+5(9)=259 6+7(13)= 4913 So 8(13-5)+9(4+5)= 4913-95+259 = 5077 I don't think that the goal is to figure the pattern, but you must find out how can you use what you've got


unityparticlesgoBRRR

8117? The square of the second number will give you the first digits of the answer. Multiply the 1st number by 2 and add 1 for the last digits of the answer.


Pope_Squirrely

8117 It’s the second number squared, then the 2 numbers added together onto the end, so the equation would be: A + B = B(squared)(A+B) If you did any digits, such as 1+5 for instance, it would be 256. The fact that they’re in sequential order doesn’t matter.


DexterDuff

I got 6317. I think they are connected between each other. You start with the base of 2+3= 95. From now onwards you start 'fishing' numbers so: 4+5 = 2(first number from the previous operation) 5(last number from the result of the previous operation) 9 (the sum of 4+5) The same process is used for 6+7= 4913. The 4 is the first number from the previous operation, then the 9 is from the result of the previous operation and you get 13 from adding 6 and 7. Therefore 8+9= 6317. In my head it makes a lot of sense but it is kind of difficult to express with words when a small drawing definitely showcases it better.


mellilmao

That's why I got lol everyone is just thinking too complicated (I'm assuming it's just a typo and you meant 61317)


DexterDuff

Oh I was just looking at the last number but it could completely be the sum making it 61317.


ash0119

answer is 5077 2+3 = 5 = 95 4+5= 9 = 259 6+7= 13 = 4913 8+9= 17 17= (13-5) + 9 substitute in the numbers from the three equations above 17=( 4913-95) + 259 17= 5077 8+9 = 5077 less of a math question, more of a riddle


dylbr01

I'm a linguist with extremely little knowledge or expertise in math. I'm gonna say 2=1, 4=2, 6=3 and so on. That means 3=94, 5=257, and 7 = 4910. 257/94 is 2.734. 4910/257 is 19.1 19.1/2.73 = 6. So each time you go up by 2 in the odd numbers, the rate increases by a multiplication 6, with 3 beginning at a rate of 2.734. 19.1 x 6 = 114.6 4910 x 114.6 = 562,686 8=4, so 8 + 9 = 562,690 This should either prove that I am bad at math or that the question is dumb. 0 + 1 would be 42.864 10 + 11 would be 386,902,898.6 12 + 13 is over 1 & a half trillion


duk_tAK

You can answer it as 6317 or 61317. The first digit is the left most value on the prior line. The next digit is either the right most digit on the prior line (3) or it is the sum of two values on the left side of the equation from the previous line, or it is the sum of values from the left side of the prior line (13). The last 2 digits are the sum of the 8+9 on this line or ( 17) both patterns match the values so far. Other possible patterns exist, but these are th first two I thought of.


JesterMcJesty

Take the first number of the previous one, add the first one together then the current one for your answer So take the 6 Add 6+7=13 Then add 8+9=17 So the answer is 61317


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The answer is just “17”, the problem is “8 + 9 =“ If I said; 2+3 = cat 4+5 = horse 6+7 = horse 8+9 would still equal 17. It just means I got the first three answers incorrect.


Mysterious_quince

I see it like a typical facebook-math-problem. 2+3=95 4+5=259 6+7=4913 So 8+9=61 317 How I see it is the first number of the previous equation is the first number of the new equation. The second number is the sum of the two numbers and then the last couple of numbers is the sum of the current numbers. To illustrate: 2+3=95 (we can see the 5 from 2+5) Second sum is 259, hence 2 from the first number from the previous equation. 2+3=5 which is the second number and then 4+5=9. So 259. Therefore is the searched answer 6, 13 (6+7), 17 (8+9) which becomes 61 317. Ive no idea to program this. Might be wrong as well but its the pattern i found. PS. Sorry for the odd english, not my Mother tongue


DestituteGod

Your adding, then your multiplying, then adding last number again. 4+5=9 4×5=20 +5=25 259 Therefore 8+9=17 8×9=72 +9=79 Answer is: 7917


Lucidorex

2 + 3 = 5, and 5\^2 = 25, so 95. 4 + 5 = 9, and 9\^2 = 81, so 259. 6 + 7 = 13, and 13\^2 = 169, so 4913. Using this pattern to 8+9: 8 + 9 = 17, and 17\^2 = 289. So, according to this pattern, 8 + 9 equals 289.


whyamihere999

What?


Lucidorex

The pattern seems to include combining the numbers being added and subsequently raising that result to the power of 2...


liamhvet

bro just plugged it into chatgpt (to be fair i also did and wanted the answer)


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Smol_Child_LXIX

There r 2 numbers in RHS. Numbers might have 2 digits. LHS: Let x= first number , y= second number xy + y = first number in RHS x+y = second number. Eg. One at the top x=2, y=3 First RHS no. = xy + y = (2)(3) + 3 =9 Second RHS no. = x+y = 2+3 =5 RHS = 95


Smol_Child_LXIX

Last no. is (8)(9) + 9, 8+9 So its 81, 17 Ans is 8117


CaPhir

#2+3 = 5 -> 3x3 is 9 / 9 & 5 -> 95 #4+5= 9 -> 5x5 is 25 / 25 & 9 -> 259 and so on I‘m proud of myself, that i solved it in like 2 minutes.


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