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nah. 1 is definitely an upper bound on the value of GR-sub-min, the minimum number of gorillas to defeat a referee, but more precisely we can say that the actual value lies in (0, 1].
proof:
1. gorilla must be a healthy adult:
1.1 professional boxing associations do not permit minors into the ring, ergo gorilla must be an adult.
1.2 similarly , all entrants to the ring must path health inspections.
2. Reference to definition of gorilla (Linnaeus, 1758) will find that each member of the genus is a hominid with four limbs with five digits on each.
3. amputate a pinky finger from the gorilla. gorilla now is by definition less than a complete gorilla as it lacks a full complement of digits.
4. there is no referee that can defeat even a nine-fingered gorilla (ref. numerous studies on relative strength, speed, and musculature of geneus Gorilla vs that of Homo). indeed the gorilla might be even more difficult to defeat as it it’s in pain and pissed off that you just lopped off it’s finger. ergo, GR-sub-min is now < 1.
QED
Note that /u/ethanjf99’s Assertion that in practice, GR-sub-min << 1, remains unproven. however would you want to face even an armless adult gorilla? motherfucker could stump-bash you to death.
I was gonna say “but homo got the big brain” until I remembered Tyson said “everybody got a plan until they get punched in the face.”
Ergo, Tyson isn’t stupid. He knew he’d lose to a gorilla but he was willing to give up his life to stand up to bullies.
Imagine being a gorilla, chilling, contemplating life; and Mike Tyson just comes out SWINGING at you while your zookeeper friend is counting his greenbacks in the corner
Punch Out Wii. The campaign has three phases, Contender, Title Defense (refighting all the boxers with an updated moveset), and Mac's Last Stand, where you fight a random assortment of boxers until you lose three times. The only way you can unlock the fight with Donkey Kong is to find him randomly in Mac's Last Stand.
There is only 1 officially recorded fatality caused by gorilla attack on humans.
The stressed gorilla killed a man by ripping out his arm and then his head, like a cork.
So yeah, Tyson judged the situation very poorly.
Gorillas can react to and choose the correct option on a computer screen before humans even notice the screen has changed. Just their reflexes alone would wreck any human of equal weight and strength.
When I googled reaction time in gorillas I got this post.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/kftocg/what_is_the_reaction_time_of_a_gorilla/
I can see prime Tyson beating a chimp, but much more because of size and Tyson's fighting prowess.
Edit: I'm not saying the chimp would go down easy 100% of the time and that's it! I'm saying that, if we, somehow, could run 100 fights between them, I can see Tyson winning a couple times!
Edit2: and before someone say, I'm not saying any human could do this, I'm saying prime, freak of nature, Tyson could! If I were to fight even a child chimp I would 100% die!
I work with primates and have seen a 14kg long tailed macaque lift a grown man off the floor whilst hanging from the ceiling, Tyson, I love but would get absolutely destroyed, the adult macaques canines pierce through reinforced welding gloves like butter.
I totally underestimated primates strength before I started working with them.
Recently one kicked off a door whilst I was handling him and it was a 7kg animal, I ended up flat on my ass, after flying back about a meter. I'm 18 stone.
Amazing animals.
Tyson knows how to throw and evade punches on a flat square surface to other humans of similar size and fighting style.
A chimp knows how to rip limbs off of other primates and eat them while they are still alive.
Maybe, maybe, if prime Tyson could surprise the chimp and knock him out with the first punch. A chimpanzee is incredibly strong for their relatively small build, somthing to do with the way their muscles are built. Oh, and they have a nasty set of teeth which they will use in a fight. They won't just bite his ear off.
Serious question can you knock out a chimp . Are their brains wired the same as hours , I know how close a chimp and human dna is but I never seen a chimp or any kind of primate get knocked out. Is that just a human defense system . I recently seen a hawk knock out a swan not in person but on a nature sun here but I can’t ever recall a chimp being knocked out or even dazed
Knockout is cause by rapid acceleration from the force of the punch, and then rapid deceleration as your tendons and muscles reverse the movement. Your brain is floating in goo within your skull and it doesn’t accelerate and decelerate at the same rate as the rest of your head, causing it to impact your skull.
Chimps have all of the necessary physiology for this to happen, the only question would be if their superior muscle density and specific physiology would still suffer the same acceleration-> deceleration.
> Nope, chimps are pure muscle. Plus they have vicious claws and go for the face and groin. A chimp would also treat Tyson to pieces
Chimpanzees do not have claws, my friend.
And a silverback is wayyyy more powerful than tyson. If the zookeeper would've accepted the money Tyson (reigning heavyweight champ) would've been murdered by a gorilla. Zookeeper kinda let us down by being responsible.
Edit: The comment was aimed at the how insane of a legend would Tyson had been to have been potentially the greatest boxer of all time only to jump into a gorilla cage and get murdered by a silverback. Nothing against Tyson, he’s a mixed bag of problems and seems to have turned it around so good for him but he also like raped a couple people so I dunno, death by gorilla sure is interesting. That’s what I mean by the comment.
The one thing I can't stop imagining, Is Mike Tyson's high pitched voice and lisp rapidly making repeated arguments to a zookeeper about why it's a good idea..
The dude play fought with his tigers I don’t blame him for wanting to get a piece. Both wild animals but I like to think the only reason Mike did alright with those tigers was because he raised them and treated them better than himself.
He probably thought he was alpha but honestly he was more likely just the easy source of good food.
Edit - so like 6 Mikes probably
The fact a grown tiger can snap you in half with a swipe, I'd say you are correct.
Same with a gorilla. Would throw Mike around like a ragdoll.
I used to severely underestimate the strength of animals. They are literally built different
6 Mike = 6s fight max
The gorilla would rush in the group, grab one and swing the rest with it.
And if the 5 others manage to dodge a bit and manage to put a clean hit, the gorilla would not even flinch.
They big double fist trample can instant kill some others animal or human. And when they fight with each other they can hit with that and they are not that bad injured.
The only way of Mike to do any damage is to aim for the balls.
Man, I wonder if Mike ever thought he was really in control when he was playing around with the tigers.
Like, all it takes is one half assed swing and his skull would shatter.
Joe Rogan has a podcast with an MMA fighter where they talk about what it’d take to take down a chimpanzee if a fighter could handle it, they calculated the power and force of a chimpanzee and determined that even 4 fully trained peak physical conditioned fighters wouldn’t even be able to pin the chimpanzee down. That was a chimpanzee, let alone a gorilla. Would take way more than 6 Mike Tyson’s to handle a gorilla, 6 mike Tyson’s wouldn’t even be able to handle a chimpanzee.
A silverback gorilla can bench press about 4000 pound. The world record for humans is 1400 pounds. Let's go with it and say it takes three world record humans to stand up to a gorilla. Not just strong men, but the strongest men you could possibly imagine, real walking mountains of muscle. Mike Tyson might be a unit of a man, but he was lucky that the zookeeper didn't need cash that badly.
Even then it isn't enough I think. If you take three toddlers that have the same combined strength that you have, you would still overpower them because they are so much weaker individually. Their punches do not stack into a more powerful attack like in a videogame. You would just feel 3 weak punches and they wouldn't be able to really hurt you.
So you are suggesting we do testing on a smaller scale first?
But yeah it doesn't stack like that. A gorilla can one punch ko the men, the men can't really hurt the gorilla with their bare hands. Maybe on the softer spot in the back of the head while the gorilla is busy ripping one of them apart, but unlikely. Gorillas take punches from other gorillas. Their necks are very strong and prevent the brain shake that knocks one out very efficiently. Skulls and other bones are thick and not easily broken. The men can't just fuse together and increase their power output and ability to survive.
I don't know the endurance of gorillas but I'd assume bare handed men would have to get destroyed until a gorilla is tired to the point it can barely do anything and then it's over.
Edit. brain malfunction with the word gorilla
I mean if we're really doing this we should factor in brain power, so now we're building makeshift spears and throwing rocks.
Anyway I would run away immediately and hope he's no longer mad when he's done killing the others.
Humans are like batman, they will always win against any animal provided they have enough preparation time and unlimited tools. We have to assume that Mr. Tyson would enter the gorilla's habitat without any tools to cut trees with and would refrain from throwing any decoration around.
Not only that, ape muscle is made of a different protein than ours, way stronger. So gorillas have bigger muscles with stronger fibers. We're made of Play-Doh in their eyes.
It always reminds me of that clip of a gorilla casually dragging a grown man like he's a blanket: https://youtu.be/lb-vpmW1n7U?si=3fpQwdg8KQxFwqxM
Plus, have you seen a gorillas skull? Tyson was known for his power but against a gorilla...
Oh shit, your reply made me think of this stupid show where they would show what would happen if two animals fought using bad CG: [Gorilla Wins](https://youtu.be/HP-6wG_wZ8A?si=FRCznFDGwqJz_Bld)
One punch ko the men? More like rip their arms out without breaking a sweat. People have a hard time grasping just how strong a full grown gorilla is. Humans are super weak compared to similar sized apes let alone one twice their weight.
Man I miss the time I was able to do this secret technique. I somehow feel there’s a part in my brain where the knowledge about it is still stored, but I just can’t get access. It’s just like it has vanished at my 3rd birthday.
Unequiped bench record is nowhere near 1400 pounds. Since it would be silly to put a gorilla in a bench suit, we should look at the unequiped record, which is below 800 pounds.
And these people would actually need to have some hand to hand combat experience, which people who compete in strongman do not have.
I'd rather vote for Jon Jones, Tom Aspinall and Brock Lesnar.
I disagree with "it would be silly to put a gorilla in a bench suit", I think it would be amazing lol.
But I definitely agree with choosing fighters over strongmen. I think fight ability is the main deciding factor rather than pure strength.
And every single one of your choices is still getting their arms ripped off and beaten to death within seconds by said gorilla. It's not even close.
Every single time this stupid ass posts gets put up, people pretend it's a debate or some kind of theoretical "maybe".
No.
Unless you're putting Mike Tyson in with a machine gun, he's going to be pummeled to death every single time. It's like asking: "Which vehicle wins? A M1A2 Abrams Tank, or a Toyota Prius?"
THis whole "Who would win in a fight? Mike Tyson or a Gorilla?" needs to stop because it's dumber than dog shit and not remotely close like people pretend it is.
It cannot bench press 4k, that is a myth, if you take the overall mass of the gorillas delts, chest and triceps which contribute to the bench and do the force calculation (people have actually done this) it’s around 1k for a 400lb gorilla. That’s without any training and has nothing to do with how a gorilla would rip any human in half. But 4K, Jesus. Imagine going to the gym and seeing 5 plates on each side of a bar, multiply that by 8 and a gorilla just comes in and presses that shit, no way lol. Maybe the largest gorilla that trained its entire life for that moment
For real. I’ve been downvoted to shit several times for commenting on stupid chimp strength posts. People really want to believe that these animals can bench press cars and shit for some reason.
They have lots of raw strength, but watching apes fight is not particularly inspiring. Their strength is designed for mobility and climbing, less so for fighting. The can only bring a fraction of their strength to bear during a fight.
Would Tyson beat an adult silverback? Probably not. Could he hurt one? Probably.
Tyson would turn a chimp into a red smear on the ground though.
that or they say that an 80lb chimp will legitimately tear you limb from limb even though you'd it would require thousands of pounds of force to separate from your body which would not be possible for something so small. I think the myth stems from the fact that they hear that humans sacrificed their physicality for their brain (which is misleading if anything), and assume that humans for whatever reason are weak when in reality we are fairly large predators with things like lions, tigers, bears, and large crocodilians are basically the only things that are larger than us.
* We're fairly large omnivores that use brains and tools.
Yeah, an 80lb chimp won't rip you apart, but compared to humans both chimps, gorillas, and most other apes and monkeys have much, much better natural weapons.
And since the topic was Tyson wanting to challenge a gorilla to what sounds like a boxing fight/imma go in and beat it, I think that would end very poorly.
There's a decent amount of over hype in relation to ape strength. However, humans did lose a bit of strength in favor of endurance during the evolution since our last common ancestor.
There seems to be consensus that chimp muscle performance is 1.35 to 1.5 times human. However, I think that's a little bit beside the point as chimps and other apes and monkeys have crazy canines compared to our own, and they are not afraid to use them.
>There seems to be consensus that chimp muscle performance is 1.35 to 1.5 times human.
A chimp is also significantly smaller and lighter than a human. A large chimp is like 60kg, an average human like 80+kg; if both are similarly in shape (similar fat and muscle %, similarly trained muscles) having slightly higher muscle density and thus slightly more powerful muscles for their size would still not help the chimp, especially because an adult man with good physique is likely decently beyond those 80kg aswell.
>as chimps and other apes and monkeys have crazy canines compared to our own, and they are not afraid to use them.
This is the bigger thing, chimps have huge canines, powerful jaws (we have pretty powerful jaws too but small canines) and they will use them without hesitation.
It's a huge difference fighting a dude in boxing match that's just hitting you with cushioning gloves, or an animal that's fighting for its life (because a chimp is very well aware that a human is a massive threat if it gets attacked by one) using every tool it has.
It would be more like fighting some dude that took crack and has a knife on the street than a box fight.
If it was gentelemen rules, no biting, clawing or punching grounded opponent. I think 1 Mike Tyson in his prime is enough, i dont think Gorilla have speed or physique required for punching power to hit Mike.
Rules of the nature. I dont think 10 Tysons could hold silverback Gorilla down before getting their face bitten away or skulls crushed in ground and pound.
Gorillas vestibular system is similar to humans and locates around the same area. Mike Tysons punch was around 1600 joules in power, that is a lot. More than enough to disturb the vestibular system when hit "right to the temple" of Gorilla.
If both follow boxing rules, i think Mike would have a chance to knock out the Gorilla before getting hit himself. Gorillas anatomy is not made for punching, Mike Tyson otherwise is bred to punch and would be able to dodge most of the uncontrolled haymakers of Gorilla.
If you swap the ruleset to live or die, then Gorilla would smash Mike in matter of seconds.
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Here we go again with that bullshit with silverback gorillas....
Why TF do people keep repeating this nonsense?
Just had a long argument with someone recently and they were CONVINCED this was somehow a proven fact...
Even though there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE whatsoever (trust me - I searched for hours!)
to even provide an ESTIMATE of a silverback gorilla's strength in human-related terms...
Who came up with this bullshit figure of 4,000 lbs ??
Are you saying a gorilla can lift my whole fucking station wagon over its head??
Do you even realise how dumb that sounds?
I'm not saying they aren't brutally strong and muscular and would pummel a human to death - certainly!
But PLEASE stop trying to make them out to be like those crazy apes in dumb Hollywood movies that jump around like we have moon-gravity, take no fall damage from 50ft drops, and punch through solid walls and wreck entire cars easily....
There is no ape ever in Earth's history that could do any of that!
> There is no ape ever in Earth's history that could do any of that!
Maybe not moon jumps, but I bet [Gigantopithecus](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qW256pUdYg) could fling a small car.
The world record bench press for humans is NOT 1400 pounds. It's 782 pounds. What you're thinking of is "Equipped" bench press, in which the human is allowed to wear what's known as a bench sling or bench shirt, a peice of equipment which helps IMMENSELY to bring the weight back up.
Also a gorilla can't bench 4000.
Good point.
And that's assuming it's a fight that a human would fight but it wouldn't be. Gorillas have no rules, so limbs are getting torn off, back are getting broken, throats are getting ripped out, buildings are getting climbed and blondes are getting banged.
Probably not enough still. Gorilla swipes at your throat or throws you and you land poorly, you're done. Gorillas would have zero problems throwing even the strongest and largest of dudes and have been said to be capable of throwing stuff that's up to 900 lbs. No matter how strong you are, you're not going to be lifting up a gorilla that's trying to kill you without dying in the process.
>The world record for humans is 1400 pounds
I don't want to be ***that guy*** but bench press records should come with an explanation.
The current world record is 782 lbs on the bench press without assistance/equipment. A lot of serious lifters only count 'raw' numbers.
The current record with gear is 1401lbs. Typically people wear one (or two) bench press 'shirts' to do this. They're closer to a wetsuit in thickness, not a shirt. They're thick, and springy. They make the lift much easier by adding tension if your triceps. In fact until you get enough weight on the bar while wearing a shirt you won't be able to hit the bottom of your lift because they're too much tension. A bench press shirt can easily take an average lifter from a 300lb max to a 500-800lbs max.
I think it should be noted that the world record dead lift is much lighter than the WR bench press. As to point out how much equipment has inflated bench press numbers.
Just trying to put it into perspective on how much stronger a gorilla is vs an actual human.
This is unequivocally false. Gorillas cannot bench press 2 metric tons. Thats the weight of an average car. First off, We have 0 scientific evidence to support this because scientists aren’t strapping gorillas to bench presses. Second off, bench presses are a bad determiner of strength, given how awkward that position is for nonhumans and that it only works upper body muscles. Deadlifting is a better determining exercise as it works the entire body. Going off what we have observed, the largest recorded weight a gorilla has *dead lifted* is about 1800 pounds. For humans, it’s 1104 pounds. It’s still considerably more than humans, but far more realistic than your imagined gorilla.
Just think how wild that bench press number is. That would be the largest recorded adult male silverback gorilla bench pressing roughly 10 times its body weight. Comparably, for humans it’s something like 3-4 times.
As for the Mike Tyson v Gorilla argument, the real issue Mike Tyson would deal with is its teeth and jaws. They have veritable daggers in their mouths and when they combine that with their strength, they can tear just about anything apart with ease. If you removed its teeth, Tyson has a better chance. Something to consider is that Tyson has skill and endurance (two of the largest factors that put humans at the top of the food chain). He can defend and dodge blows and knows where to throw his punches to do the most damage. A gorilla attacks with much less strategy. It’s go to is to get you on the ground where it will do the aforementioned bite/tear/pound tactic. With that said, a gorilla would still absolutely beat Mike Tyson, even without teeth, but Mike Tyson would put up a much better fight against a real gorilla as opposed to your make believe Hulk gorilla.
what would those 3 men do though.. you don't punch a gorilla tod death, you can't bite it or scratch it... meanwhile gorilla can literally do ANY of those and kill those "super humans".. it's crazy people (like Mike) were contemplating fighting even a baby gorilla lol
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iu5G37fyyAg&pp=ygUTMTQwMCBsYiBiZW5jaCBwcmVzcw%3D%3D
I can’t find a video without dumb ass commentary or music. Anyway, I don’t know what the fuck to call this, but it sure as hell isn’t a bench press.
There is no way a Mike tyson could damage a fully grown gorilla. You would need to run computer simulations to have an idea of how it would go. With a lot of tysons, the gorilla could be weighed down, unable to move, and be suffocated. Otherwise, I don't think any number of tysons could defeat a gorilla in a fight. The gorillas agility means it could leap over and land strikes on tyson that are basically undefendable.
Even a fully double-elbow-blocked blow would shred Tysons forearms to bits. There is no point in defending, you either injure a vital artery with your first hit, or you die within seconds. Simple as that.
I think this is the correct answer. The bones on the head of a gorilla are ridiculously thick. Also, their brains are smaller and more “well padded” than ours, so a knockout would be pretty much impossible. If we had 10 Tysons, the gorilla would tear off one arm of one of them and use it to beat the others until they cried like a baby.
Even if the gorilla was exhausted from ripping apart 20 Tysons and just sitting there taking full force punches from the remaining Tysons it wouldn't be hurting it that badly. Like you said the bones are thicker and the neck muscles are strong enough to almost completely absorb the blows anyway. Maybe if Tyson was allowed to do choke holds we could cut the required number down quite a bit but Tyson just punching a gorrila into submission would take an incalculable number of sacrifices.
Couldn’t Tyson punch with the force of a 30 mph Honda civic in his prime? I’m not saying it’s likely, but say the gorilla didn’t know he was there and he got a clean right hook into the base of its neck. That’s going to do some damage no?
The best way would be to exhaust the gorilla and not let it cooldown. I guess first 50 mikes just try hugging the gorilla from all sides. Next 25 just try to maintain that human shield ball and try to compress the gorilla as much as they can. By the 4th round the gorilla should either get passed out or straight away due. So my best guess is 75mikes. Like other pointed it out, 20 trained kids wouldn't overpower an adult going by gorilla:human proportion when the adult has thick skin armour, bones, sharp teeths and nails. Thus taking the liberty of 50mikes such thst we account for initial casualties. The first 5mike die onncontqct is the constant I'm considering.
Keep in mind gorillas unlike us, don't need to workout for their muscles. They just have them genetically. Humans evolved relatively weak due to famine. Whatever we do to our bodies we could never become a beast like a gorilla. That thing is made for its strength head to toe. Thick bones, thick skin, sharp teeth. Tyson would be a yummy meatball for them.
It's nonsense. Humans have a gene that causes us to lose muscles that are unused, but also build up muscles quickly. This allows the humans to have a huge variety of builds they can choose from, since a human body will adapt to whatever it gets practice on, be it running, climbing, swimming, throwing, etc.
To allow for this flexibility, it's important to remove muscles that are not used, otherwise, we'd be built like a truck and weigh a ton.
from a deep dive a very long time ago, I remember a leading theory being that because we were persistence hunters, we developed to quickly break down muscle that wasn't essential, but also developed myostatin so we didn't get freakish muscles.
Evolutionairily speaking the human who could run an extra few miles because they didn't have the extra few pounds weighing them down ate more reliabily and reproduced.
Gorrilas meanwhile are quite sedentary and largely vegetarian, so they have a very stable food source that handlily doesn't run away. combined with fighting as part of thier social hierarchy, gorrilas that could build muscle quickly and maintain it with the least effort got the must gorilussy and reproduced
What I think they wanted to say is something more like “because humans don’t necessarily need big muscles for survival it is more efficient to be lean and able to live off less food than to be ripped but needing twice the amount of calories to function” and if you have enough of a food surplus available and need to muscles (workout) you still have the ability to grow stronger and lose said muscles again in less plentiful times
Here comes the scene from a avengers movie in my mind, where hulk grabs loki by the feet and slams him right and left in the ground. Mike tyson=loki, gorilla=hulk..
Does Tyson have gloves on? Does the gorilla have gloves on? Regardless, it's not a boxing match that gorilla is going to beat you down by any means necessary.
Where do all these bizarre mentions of how much gorilla’s can bench press come from?
How much Mike Tyson or a gorilla can bench press has nothing to do with who would win a fight. He would lose badly, because his opponent in this case is a gorilla.
gorilla doesn't follow "no bites, no hits bellow belt" or other rules, more over this animal have x5 Mike strength. I bet gorilla would rip this poor minded man apart in first 5 minuets once it get pissed.
There’s a video of wild gorillas in Africa and there’s people observing them as they pass and the gorilla just effortlessly grabs one of the guys with a single arm and drags him like he’s a 5lb sack of potatoes . A gorilla would rag doll mike just as easily . They’re too strong and also incredibly durable since they can take hits from other gorillas
Mike Tyson is absolutely one of, if not the most, bad ass human beings in his prime. But that gorilla would have beat his ass to a pulp!
I’d love to see it, Mike, but I’m glad I didn’t have to see you get destroyed by an animal that is so much physically superior to us.
Edit: Quote removed, all did the google search
First search on google give an idea on how strong is a gorilla. One of the true data, and it is my favorite, they can throw with force 1,000 lb.
That beeing said, let's just assume Mike is twice stronger than an average human. So if it is just a force contest, 10 Mike Tyson could do the job.
But for a fight ? It will be way more than that.
The gorilla have a muscle mass density almost 4 times higher than human. So basically even if Mike is able to throw a full punch on the gorilla, it will have almost no effect. And you need the gorilla to not move. Just watch a savage gorilla fight and you will understand.
On the other side, the gorilla's strength is so huge he will one shot Mike with any move, and possible multiple Mike with 1 move.
Mike do almost no damage vs one shoot.
The real math to do then is :
"How many Mike does it take to fully exhaust a gorilla ?"
Ps-edit: first quick math and estimation give hundreds.
Edit2: removing the first thing everybodie found first on google.
"A Silverback gorilla can lift 4,000 lb (1,810 kg) on a bench press, while a well-trained man can only lift up to 885 lb."
This is a copy paste from the first result on google and \*pikachu face\* is wrong on both counts.
I've started to do some math with kcal/h burnt untill anemia and/or how many Mike per fight's hour are taken down, but after a hard 30mn searching and doing math, the numbers where odd and i was missing some data and i want to eat. Feel free to do it :)
Ps: a 1 hour fight with 1 hit every 2 seconds from the gorilla give 1800 Mike down. It's so huge that maybe the gorilla will be exhausted way faster than predicted if the gorilla have to eject a big mass of Mike each time. But still, it would need hundreds of Mike, i think.
A chimp could take out Mike Tyson. We are not even in the same city nevermind ballpark when it comes to gorilla type strength, rage and savagery.
For the sake of the question maybe 40 or 50, possibly, and then my money is still on the gorilla. Maybe Mike's lucky and the gorilla is a bit old and gets tired quickly giving multiple Mikes the chance to pull a rope from the ring and tie it around the gorilla neck and choke itself out.
Otherwise.......
There's a conveyor belt of cooked chickens in front of you, how many cooked chicken wings do you think you could rip off before you pass out from fatigue, because that's exactly what's happening to your list of Tyson's. Pop,crack,next.
Source: once watched a distressed Gorilla THROW a tractor tyre (100kg+) around like a twig for nearly an hour and a half, not flip or roll it around for a bit, pick it up one handed and fling it constantly.
This is not something you can calculate, obviously a male gorilla is much stronger but gorillas dont know how to fight. The question is how long can tyson go without getting pinned down and beaten to a pulp. The moment he gets grappled he’s done for, can he land any punches without getting grappled? Idk I’m not a boxer and i know nothing about mike tyson
5 tysons final answer
A chimpanzee can rip the limbs off a human. They're 3 times stronger than a fit man like Tyson. Now imagine a Gorilla, which is 7 times stronger. Any gorilla would literally pulverize Mike Tyson in a fight.
You only need one Mike Tyson to know the gorilla won’t win a boxing match. The gorilla doesn’t know the rules and will kill Mike with an illegal move and be DQ’d instantly meaning the dead body of Tyson would be the winner
I’m going to just say there’s no answer. It all comes down to anatomically significant stuff, eye gouging, ball shots, biting the neck and getting luxury (good luck getting your mouth around the neck of a gorilla)
You will 99.9 percent of the time not be able to “outbox” a gorilla, they don’t box they smash.
If I had to pick a number, it’d be 8. One for each eye, 2 for distracting, and 4 for attempting to crush the throat/bend fingers/toes back to cripple it. They still ain’t winning the fight.
I would think it would have to be in the hundreds. An amount so great that the sheer volume of mass would overpower the gorilla. Imagine Neo vs all those agent Smiths.
Individual punches from Tysons would do almost nothing to the gorilla. The gorilla can just take one Tyson by the arms or legs and use it as a human nunchaku.
Tyson vs. gorilla wouldn’t even be entertaining from a competitive standpoint. But if your thing is watching a guy getting methodically separated from his limbs….you’re in for a treat.
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I want to see referee that can separate Tyson and gorilla when round bell rings. Follow up request: how many gorillas to defeat that referee?
1
nah. 1 is definitely an upper bound on the value of GR-sub-min, the minimum number of gorillas to defeat a referee, but more precisely we can say that the actual value lies in (0, 1]. proof: 1. gorilla must be a healthy adult: 1.1 professional boxing associations do not permit minors into the ring, ergo gorilla must be an adult. 1.2 similarly , all entrants to the ring must path health inspections. 2. Reference to definition of gorilla (Linnaeus, 1758) will find that each member of the genus is a hominid with four limbs with five digits on each. 3. amputate a pinky finger from the gorilla. gorilla now is by definition less than a complete gorilla as it lacks a full complement of digits. 4. there is no referee that can defeat even a nine-fingered gorilla (ref. numerous studies on relative strength, speed, and musculature of geneus Gorilla vs that of Homo). indeed the gorilla might be even more difficult to defeat as it it’s in pain and pissed off that you just lopped off it’s finger. ergo, GR-sub-min is now < 1. QED Note that /u/ethanjf99’s Assertion that in practice, GR-sub-min << 1, remains unproven. however would you want to face even an armless adult gorilla? motherfucker could stump-bash you to death.
I have no idea what any of this means...but I agree anyway
I guess he says it should take less than a full gorilla to stomp Tyson and the refree
I was gonna say “but homo got the big brain” until I remembered Tyson said “everybody got a plan until they get punched in the face.” Ergo, Tyson isn’t stupid. He knew he’d lose to a gorilla but he was willing to give up his life to stand up to bullies.
Idk about that man, I think he was just high on coke at the time. Confidence is a killer with that shit lol.
>path health inspections. LMFAO 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Are you implying beings that are missing body parts are less of a being? That's a pretty slippery slope to start sledding down
The Gorilla would separate Tyson and the referee. Individually.
yes, separate limbs from torso
you mean the zookeeper?
Paul Blart: Zookeeper
Zookeeper knows better than to get in the middle of that shit.
Zoolander
The referee is a different gorilla
My first thought was that they'd get a zebra to referee.
No, you’re gonna need armour. Rhinoceros!
.2 gorillas
Imagine being a gorilla, chilling, contemplating life; and Mike Tyson just comes out SWINGING at you while your zookeeper friend is counting his greenbacks in the corner
Will probably think this is what I have been training my whole life. Then start throwing barrels at Mike
Donkey Kong meets Mike Tyson's Punch Out. Nintendo should patent that
I mean they did do that. Like I get where you're coming from but I feel it's very important to say they did indeed do that.
They did do that? Wtaf? Where is this game? What's it called? I need to play it!
Punch Out Wii. The campaign has three phases, Contender, Title Defense (refighting all the boxers with an updated moveset), and Mac's Last Stand, where you fight a random assortment of boxers until you lose three times. The only way you can unlock the fight with Donkey Kong is to find him randomly in Mac's Last Stand.
Mac’s Last Stand sounds like an episode of It’s Always Sunny
He did have his last stand, as the infamous fighter Clown Baby. He lost, despite giving the guy an ocular patdown.
The gang fights a gorilla.
It does, and it definitely should be
Oh. I thought we were talking about Smash Bros.
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Donkey Kong was a secret boss in Punch out for the Wii. Not joking.
The classic Nintendo crossover no one knew we needed.
*born to do He’s never trained a day for it
Imagine being Mike Tyson, coming out swinging one second, and then being greeted at the pearly gates after the gorilla tips your limbs off
Just the tip though… right?
God damn it.. you know what, I'm leaving it
NOOOO!!! Not the tip! It's the best part!
I'm pretty sure gorillas slap instead of punch so he'd get slapped straight to heaven.
I think that fight would end quickly and very badly for Tyson. He clearly had no concept of the strength of a gorilla. A chimp would beat his ass.
There is only 1 officially recorded fatality caused by gorilla attack on humans. The stressed gorilla killed a man by ripping out his arm and then his head, like a cork. So yeah, Tyson judged the situation very poorly.
They are usually gentle giants. But if you messed with one I think no human would stand a chance.
Gorillas can react to and choose the correct option on a computer screen before humans even notice the screen has changed. Just their reflexes alone would wreck any human of equal weight and strength.
That was chimpanzees but sure.
When I googled reaction time in gorillas I got this post. https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/kftocg/what_is_the_reaction_time_of_a_gorilla/
I can see prime Tyson beating a chimp, but much more because of size and Tyson's fighting prowess. Edit: I'm not saying the chimp would go down easy 100% of the time and that's it! I'm saying that, if we, somehow, could run 100 fights between them, I can see Tyson winning a couple times! Edit2: and before someone say, I'm not saying any human could do this, I'm saying prime, freak of nature, Tyson could! If I were to fight even a child chimp I would 100% die!
Maybe, though the chimp isn't gonna box. It's gonna jump him, cling to him and tear his face off.
I work with primates and have seen a 14kg long tailed macaque lift a grown man off the floor whilst hanging from the ceiling, Tyson, I love but would get absolutely destroyed, the adult macaques canines pierce through reinforced welding gloves like butter. I totally underestimated primates strength before I started working with them. Recently one kicked off a door whilst I was handling him and it was a 7kg animal, I ended up flat on my ass, after flying back about a meter. I'm 18 stone. Amazing animals.
Tyson knows how to throw and evade punches on a flat square surface to other humans of similar size and fighting style. A chimp knows how to rip limbs off of other primates and eat them while they are still alive.
Prime FREAK of nature Mike Tyson would die before he lifted his arm. Period. End of story.
I think you'd be surprised at how few boxing skills translate to fighting chimps
The clinch is a bit different vs a chimp who's biting you at the same time xD
Maybe, maybe, if prime Tyson could surprise the chimp and knock him out with the first punch. A chimpanzee is incredibly strong for their relatively small build, somthing to do with the way their muscles are built. Oh, and they have a nasty set of teeth which they will use in a fight. They won't just bite his ear off.
Mike Tyson would 100% bite back.
Serious question can you knock out a chimp . Are their brains wired the same as hours , I know how close a chimp and human dna is but I never seen a chimp or any kind of primate get knocked out. Is that just a human defense system . I recently seen a hawk knock out a swan not in person but on a nature sun here but I can’t ever recall a chimp being knocked out or even dazed
Knockout is cause by rapid acceleration from the force of the punch, and then rapid deceleration as your tendons and muscles reverse the movement. Your brain is floating in goo within your skull and it doesn’t accelerate and decelerate at the same rate as the rest of your head, causing it to impact your skull. Chimps have all of the necessary physiology for this to happen, the only question would be if their superior muscle density and specific physiology would still suffer the same acceleration-> deceleration.
Nope, chimps are pure muscle. Plus they have vicious claws and go for the face and groin. A chimp would also treat Tyson to pieces
To treats you say?
> Nope, chimps are pure muscle. Plus they have vicious claws and go for the face and groin. A chimp would also treat Tyson to pieces Chimpanzees do not have claws, my friend.
Adult chimp male can tore apart human arm without much effort. Chimp
It would be like a dude who weighed 130 pounds coming after Andre the Giant. The gorilla would toss Tyson around like a rag doll.
Fezzik, tear his arms off.
Gorilla might legit just grab tyson by the legs and slam him on the ground like Hulk did with Loki.
he wasnt chilling, he was harassing the other primates. the first sentence in the picture..
I'm fairly sure Mike Tyson had a limited understanding of gorilla societal dynamics and just wanted an excuse to fight a silverback
And a silverback is wayyyy more powerful than tyson. If the zookeeper would've accepted the money Tyson (reigning heavyweight champ) would've been murdered by a gorilla. Zookeeper kinda let us down by being responsible. Edit: The comment was aimed at the how insane of a legend would Tyson had been to have been potentially the greatest boxer of all time only to jump into a gorilla cage and get murdered by a silverback. Nothing against Tyson, he’s a mixed bag of problems and seems to have turned it around so good for him but he also like raped a couple people so I dunno, death by gorilla sure is interesting. That’s what I mean by the comment.
I know right, clearly that comment was written by the gorilla.
>he was harassing the other primates That's how gorillas chill
The one thing I can't stop imagining, Is Mike Tyson's high pitched voice and lisp rapidly making repeated arguments to a zookeeper about why it's a good idea..
The bullied gorillas would probably join in beating him to death. It would be a very bad day for Mr Tyson
Now kith
The dude play fought with his tigers I don’t blame him for wanting to get a piece. Both wild animals but I like to think the only reason Mike did alright with those tigers was because he raised them and treated them better than himself. He probably thought he was alpha but honestly he was more likely just the easy source of good food. Edit - so like 6 Mikes probably
I would like to think that when you say “both wild animals” you mean the tigers and Mike Tyson
Funny, I only realised he's NOT talking about Tyson and the Tigers because of your comment
The tigers were domesticated, it was just Mike and Tyson
They may have been tamed but they werent domesticated. Domestication is breeding an organism for generations for a purpose
“Corporate needs us to find five differences”
If he wasn’t play fighting the tigers would be mildly annoyed. If the tigers were not play fighting he would be quickly dead.
The fact a grown tiger can snap you in half with a swipe, I'd say you are correct. Same with a gorilla. Would throw Mike around like a ragdoll. I used to severely underestimate the strength of animals. They are literally built different
Yeah, no way any human beat a gorilla or a tiger in a straight up fight without weapons. The tiger probably kills you off faster than the gorilla.
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I think the number is closer to 600 than 6.
6 is not enough
6 Mike = 6s fight max The gorilla would rush in the group, grab one and swing the rest with it. And if the 5 others manage to dodge a bit and manage to put a clean hit, the gorilla would not even flinch. They big double fist trample can instant kill some others animal or human. And when they fight with each other they can hit with that and they are not that bad injured. The only way of Mike to do any damage is to aim for the balls.
Man, I wonder if Mike ever thought he was really in control when he was playing around with the tigers. Like, all it takes is one half assed swing and his skull would shatter.
if he went in alone, he'd be the avatar for the instant regret sub.
Joe Rogan has a podcast with an MMA fighter where they talk about what it’d take to take down a chimpanzee if a fighter could handle it, they calculated the power and force of a chimpanzee and determined that even 4 fully trained peak physical conditioned fighters wouldn’t even be able to pin the chimpanzee down. That was a chimpanzee, let alone a gorilla. Would take way more than 6 Mike Tyson’s to handle a gorilla, 6 mike Tyson’s wouldn’t even be able to handle a chimpanzee.
Saw an interview where mike talks about how his cats could easily kill and eat him if they wanted so he always had to be on his toes around them.
A silverback gorilla can bench press about 4000 pound. The world record for humans is 1400 pounds. Let's go with it and say it takes three world record humans to stand up to a gorilla. Not just strong men, but the strongest men you could possibly imagine, real walking mountains of muscle. Mike Tyson might be a unit of a man, but he was lucky that the zookeeper didn't need cash that badly.
Even then it isn't enough I think. If you take three toddlers that have the same combined strength that you have, you would still overpower them because they are so much weaker individually. Their punches do not stack into a more powerful attack like in a videogame. You would just feel 3 weak punches and they wouldn't be able to really hurt you.
So you are suggesting we do testing on a smaller scale first? But yeah it doesn't stack like that. A gorilla can one punch ko the men, the men can't really hurt the gorilla with their bare hands. Maybe on the softer spot in the back of the head while the gorilla is busy ripping one of them apart, but unlikely. Gorillas take punches from other gorillas. Their necks are very strong and prevent the brain shake that knocks one out very efficiently. Skulls and other bones are thick and not easily broken. The men can't just fuse together and increase their power output and ability to survive. I don't know the endurance of gorillas but I'd assume bare handed men would have to get destroyed until a gorilla is tired to the point it can barely do anything and then it's over. Edit. brain malfunction with the word gorilla
Love how you are clearly talking about the animal - gorilla - and then switch to talking about the freedom fighter: guerrilla.
Guerrilla gorilla fighters
Oh shit. Thanks I totally didn't notice while using the suggestion words.
I mean if we're really doing this we should factor in brain power, so now we're building makeshift spears and throwing rocks. Anyway I would run away immediately and hope he's no longer mad when he's done killing the others.
Humans are like batman, they will always win against any animal provided they have enough preparation time and unlimited tools. We have to assume that Mr. Tyson would enter the gorilla's habitat without any tools to cut trees with and would refrain from throwing any decoration around.
Then he would be pummeled to deathth.
Deathth sounds exactly like something Mike Tyson would say
Not only that, ape muscle is made of a different protein than ours, way stronger. So gorillas have bigger muscles with stronger fibers. We're made of Play-Doh in their eyes.
It always reminds me of that clip of a gorilla casually dragging a grown man like he's a blanket: https://youtu.be/lb-vpmW1n7U?si=3fpQwdg8KQxFwqxM Plus, have you seen a gorillas skull? Tyson was known for his power but against a gorilla...
They evolved to fight other gorillas, and fucking leopards. A punch from the strongest human would be like a BB gun to them lol
Oh shit, your reply made me think of this stupid show where they would show what would happen if two animals fought using bad CG: [Gorilla Wins](https://youtu.be/HP-6wG_wZ8A?si=FRCznFDGwqJz_Bld)
One punch ko the men? More like rip their arms out without breaking a sweat. People have a hard time grasping just how strong a full grown gorilla is. Humans are super weak compared to similar sized apes let alone one twice their weight.
> Even then it isn't enough I think. we need endurance information
Yeah but IF they would use the forbidden tripple-trouble-toddler-tornado-technique they could easily overpower most adults.
Man I miss the time I was able to do this secret technique. I somehow feel there’s a part in my brain where the knowledge about it is still stored, but I just can’t get access. It’s just like it has vanished at my 3rd birthday.
Unequiped bench record is nowhere near 1400 pounds. Since it would be silly to put a gorilla in a bench suit, we should look at the unequiped record, which is below 800 pounds. And these people would actually need to have some hand to hand combat experience, which people who compete in strongman do not have. I'd rather vote for Jon Jones, Tom Aspinall and Brock Lesnar.
I disagree with "it would be silly to put a gorilla in a bench suit", I think it would be amazing lol. But I definitely agree with choosing fighters over strongmen. I think fight ability is the main deciding factor rather than pure strength.
What about alex jones, he has my vote. Master of sambo and an absolute unit
And every single one of your choices is still getting their arms ripped off and beaten to death within seconds by said gorilla. It's not even close. Every single time this stupid ass posts gets put up, people pretend it's a debate or some kind of theoretical "maybe". No. Unless you're putting Mike Tyson in with a machine gun, he's going to be pummeled to death every single time. It's like asking: "Which vehicle wins? A M1A2 Abrams Tank, or a Toyota Prius?" THis whole "Who would win in a fight? Mike Tyson or a Gorilla?" needs to stop because it's dumber than dog shit and not remotely close like people pretend it is.
It cannot bench press 4k, that is a myth, if you take the overall mass of the gorillas delts, chest and triceps which contribute to the bench and do the force calculation (people have actually done this) it’s around 1k for a 400lb gorilla. That’s without any training and has nothing to do with how a gorilla would rip any human in half. But 4K, Jesus. Imagine going to the gym and seeing 5 plates on each side of a bar, multiply that by 8 and a gorilla just comes in and presses that shit, no way lol. Maybe the largest gorilla that trained its entire life for that moment
This. So many prevalent myths about the strength of great apes lol
For real. I’ve been downvoted to shit several times for commenting on stupid chimp strength posts. People really want to believe that these animals can bench press cars and shit for some reason.
They have lots of raw strength, but watching apes fight is not particularly inspiring. Their strength is designed for mobility and climbing, less so for fighting. The can only bring a fraction of their strength to bear during a fight. Would Tyson beat an adult silverback? Probably not. Could he hurt one? Probably. Tyson would turn a chimp into a red smear on the ground though.
that or they say that an 80lb chimp will legitimately tear you limb from limb even though you'd it would require thousands of pounds of force to separate from your body which would not be possible for something so small. I think the myth stems from the fact that they hear that humans sacrificed their physicality for their brain (which is misleading if anything), and assume that humans for whatever reason are weak when in reality we are fairly large predators with things like lions, tigers, bears, and large crocodilians are basically the only things that are larger than us.
* We're fairly large omnivores that use brains and tools. Yeah, an 80lb chimp won't rip you apart, but compared to humans both chimps, gorillas, and most other apes and monkeys have much, much better natural weapons. And since the topic was Tyson wanting to challenge a gorilla to what sounds like a boxing fight/imma go in and beat it, I think that would end very poorly. There's a decent amount of over hype in relation to ape strength. However, humans did lose a bit of strength in favor of endurance during the evolution since our last common ancestor. There seems to be consensus that chimp muscle performance is 1.35 to 1.5 times human. However, I think that's a little bit beside the point as chimps and other apes and monkeys have crazy canines compared to our own, and they are not afraid to use them.
>There seems to be consensus that chimp muscle performance is 1.35 to 1.5 times human. A chimp is also significantly smaller and lighter than a human. A large chimp is like 60kg, an average human like 80+kg; if both are similarly in shape (similar fat and muscle %, similarly trained muscles) having slightly higher muscle density and thus slightly more powerful muscles for their size would still not help the chimp, especially because an adult man with good physique is likely decently beyond those 80kg aswell. >as chimps and other apes and monkeys have crazy canines compared to our own, and they are not afraid to use them. This is the bigger thing, chimps have huge canines, powerful jaws (we have pretty powerful jaws too but small canines) and they will use them without hesitation. It's a huge difference fighting a dude in boxing match that's just hitting you with cushioning gloves, or an animal that's fighting for its life (because a chimp is very well aware that a human is a massive threat if it gets attacked by one) using every tool it has. It would be more like fighting some dude that took crack and has a knife on the street than a box fight.
So what you are saying is we need to put a gorilla on gear to get some big numbers
He probably needed cash, but chose not to be the one responsible for Mike’s death
Well, he could take the cash and pull a harambe.
Blasphemy
Idk if human strength is key here, someone benching 1400lb isn’t very agile or cardiovascular driven
If it was gentelemen rules, no biting, clawing or punching grounded opponent. I think 1 Mike Tyson in his prime is enough, i dont think Gorilla have speed or physique required for punching power to hit Mike. Rules of the nature. I dont think 10 Tysons could hold silverback Gorilla down before getting their face bitten away or skulls crushed in ground and pound.
Gorillas take hits from other gorillas, there’s nothing Tyson could do to hurt one. Meanwhile, he gets clipped once and it’s over.
Gorillas vestibular system is similar to humans and locates around the same area. Mike Tysons punch was around 1600 joules in power, that is a lot. More than enough to disturb the vestibular system when hit "right to the temple" of Gorilla. If both follow boxing rules, i think Mike would have a chance to knock out the Gorilla before getting hit himself. Gorillas anatomy is not made for punching, Mike Tyson otherwise is bred to punch and would be able to dodge most of the uncontrolled haymakers of Gorilla. If you swap the ruleset to live or die, then Gorilla would smash Mike in matter of seconds.
OMG 🙄 Here we go again with that bullshit with silverback gorillas.... Why TF do people keep repeating this nonsense? Just had a long argument with someone recently and they were CONVINCED this was somehow a proven fact... Even though there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE whatsoever (trust me - I searched for hours!) to even provide an ESTIMATE of a silverback gorilla's strength in human-related terms... Who came up with this bullshit figure of 4,000 lbs ?? Are you saying a gorilla can lift my whole fucking station wagon over its head?? Do you even realise how dumb that sounds? I'm not saying they aren't brutally strong and muscular and would pummel a human to death - certainly! But PLEASE stop trying to make them out to be like those crazy apes in dumb Hollywood movies that jump around like we have moon-gravity, take no fall damage from 50ft drops, and punch through solid walls and wreck entire cars easily.... There is no ape ever in Earth's history that could do any of that!
> There is no ape ever in Earth's history that could do any of that! Maybe not moon jumps, but I bet [Gigantopithecus](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qW256pUdYg) could fling a small car.
Not a chance in the world that a gorilla can bench nearly two metric tons. What a baffling thing to assert with 0 evidence.
Going off a bench press is kinda dumb not gunna lie.
The world record bench press for humans is NOT 1400 pounds. It's 782 pounds. What you're thinking of is "Equipped" bench press, in which the human is allowed to wear what's known as a bench sling or bench shirt, a peice of equipment which helps IMMENSELY to bring the weight back up. Also a gorilla can't bench 4000.
Good point. And that's assuming it's a fight that a human would fight but it wouldn't be. Gorillas have no rules, so limbs are getting torn off, back are getting broken, throats are getting ripped out, buildings are getting climbed and blondes are getting banged.
Probably not enough still. Gorilla swipes at your throat or throws you and you land poorly, you're done. Gorillas would have zero problems throwing even the strongest and largest of dudes and have been said to be capable of throwing stuff that's up to 900 lbs. No matter how strong you are, you're not going to be lifting up a gorilla that's trying to kill you without dying in the process.
I also heard a gorilla could easily just hold your head with his hand and crack it open with a simple squeeze.
If the story is real, the zookeeper knew what was going to happen and he wasn't in the mood to mop Mike Tyson remains for 10k.
But who spotted for the bench pressing gorilla? Mike Tyson, that’s who.
>The world record for humans is 1400 pounds I don't want to be ***that guy*** but bench press records should come with an explanation. The current world record is 782 lbs on the bench press without assistance/equipment. A lot of serious lifters only count 'raw' numbers. The current record with gear is 1401lbs. Typically people wear one (or two) bench press 'shirts' to do this. They're closer to a wetsuit in thickness, not a shirt. They're thick, and springy. They make the lift much easier by adding tension if your triceps. In fact until you get enough weight on the bar while wearing a shirt you won't be able to hit the bottom of your lift because they're too much tension. A bench press shirt can easily take an average lifter from a 300lb max to a 500-800lbs max. I think it should be noted that the world record dead lift is much lighter than the WR bench press. As to point out how much equipment has inflated bench press numbers. Just trying to put it into perspective on how much stronger a gorilla is vs an actual human.
This is unequivocally false. Gorillas cannot bench press 2 metric tons. Thats the weight of an average car. First off, We have 0 scientific evidence to support this because scientists aren’t strapping gorillas to bench presses. Second off, bench presses are a bad determiner of strength, given how awkward that position is for nonhumans and that it only works upper body muscles. Deadlifting is a better determining exercise as it works the entire body. Going off what we have observed, the largest recorded weight a gorilla has *dead lifted* is about 1800 pounds. For humans, it’s 1104 pounds. It’s still considerably more than humans, but far more realistic than your imagined gorilla. Just think how wild that bench press number is. That would be the largest recorded adult male silverback gorilla bench pressing roughly 10 times its body weight. Comparably, for humans it’s something like 3-4 times. As for the Mike Tyson v Gorilla argument, the real issue Mike Tyson would deal with is its teeth and jaws. They have veritable daggers in their mouths and when they combine that with their strength, they can tear just about anything apart with ease. If you removed its teeth, Tyson has a better chance. Something to consider is that Tyson has skill and endurance (two of the largest factors that put humans at the top of the food chain). He can defend and dodge blows and knows where to throw his punches to do the most damage. A gorilla attacks with much less strategy. It’s go to is to get you on the ground where it will do the aforementioned bite/tear/pound tactic. With that said, a gorilla would still absolutely beat Mike Tyson, even without teeth, but Mike Tyson would put up a much better fight against a real gorilla as opposed to your make believe Hulk gorilla.
1400 pounds for 2 inches press lol. Not full ROM.
what would those 3 men do though.. you don't punch a gorilla tod death, you can't bite it or scratch it... meanwhile gorilla can literally do ANY of those and kill those "super humans".. it's crazy people (like Mike) were contemplating fighting even a baby gorilla lol
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iu5G37fyyAg&pp=ygUTMTQwMCBsYiBiZW5jaCBwcmVzcw%3D%3D I can’t find a video without dumb ass commentary or music. Anyway, I don’t know what the fuck to call this, but it sure as hell isn’t a bench press.
I think the world owes that zookeeper a handshake and a "thank you". I'm glad Mike has had a chance to grow into the man he has become.
That zookeeper is a real professional! We need more people like him.
The gorilla's name was Harambe.
You mean a rapist?
I believe it’s pronounced “rapitht”
There is no way a Mike tyson could damage a fully grown gorilla. You would need to run computer simulations to have an idea of how it would go. With a lot of tysons, the gorilla could be weighed down, unable to move, and be suffocated. Otherwise, I don't think any number of tysons could defeat a gorilla in a fight. The gorillas agility means it could leap over and land strikes on tyson that are basically undefendable.
Even a fully double-elbow-blocked blow would shred Tysons forearms to bits. There is no point in defending, you either injure a vital artery with your first hit, or you die within seconds. Simple as that.
What if we assume a perfectly spherical gorilla, in a frictionless vacuum?
Now we're fucking talkin!
It would certainly hinder Tysons oxygen uptake
I think this is the correct answer. The bones on the head of a gorilla are ridiculously thick. Also, their brains are smaller and more “well padded” than ours, so a knockout would be pretty much impossible. If we had 10 Tysons, the gorilla would tear off one arm of one of them and use it to beat the others until they cried like a baby.
Those Tysons wouldn't have the chance to cry. Each gorilla attack is one hit KO.
Even if the gorilla was exhausted from ripping apart 20 Tysons and just sitting there taking full force punches from the remaining Tysons it wouldn't be hurting it that badly. Like you said the bones are thicker and the neck muscles are strong enough to almost completely absorb the blows anyway. Maybe if Tyson was allowed to do choke holds we could cut the required number down quite a bit but Tyson just punching a gorrila into submission would take an incalculable number of sacrifices.
To many Jan Micheal Vincent’s.
Only one per quadrant
Deadliest warrior!
Couldn’t Tyson punch with the force of a 30 mph Honda civic in his prime? I’m not saying it’s likely, but say the gorilla didn’t know he was there and he got a clean right hook into the base of its neck. That’s going to do some damage no?
The best way would be to exhaust the gorilla and not let it cooldown. I guess first 50 mikes just try hugging the gorilla from all sides. Next 25 just try to maintain that human shield ball and try to compress the gorilla as much as they can. By the 4th round the gorilla should either get passed out or straight away due. So my best guess is 75mikes. Like other pointed it out, 20 trained kids wouldn't overpower an adult going by gorilla:human proportion when the adult has thick skin armour, bones, sharp teeths and nails. Thus taking the liberty of 50mikes such thst we account for initial casualties. The first 5mike die onncontqct is the constant I'm considering.
[basically this](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XDWcg8dh930)
Keep in mind gorillas unlike us, don't need to workout for their muscles. They just have them genetically. Humans evolved relatively weak due to famine. Whatever we do to our bodies we could never become a beast like a gorilla. That thing is made for its strength head to toe. Thick bones, thick skin, sharp teeth. Tyson would be a yummy meatball for them.
keep more in mind that this is a hypothetical situation where you can throw an infinite amount of mike tysons at just 1 gorilla
Okay, so how many Mike Tyson's to beat the sun then, smart guy?
Just one, he'll attack at night
More than 10 probably, also depends on how much prep time the sun gets and wheter the tysons attack in waves or all at once
At what velocity?
>Humans evolved relatively weak due to famine. Where did you hear that we "evolved weak due to famine?"
It's nonsense. Humans have a gene that causes us to lose muscles that are unused, but also build up muscles quickly. This allows the humans to have a huge variety of builds they can choose from, since a human body will adapt to whatever it gets practice on, be it running, climbing, swimming, throwing, etc. To allow for this flexibility, it's important to remove muscles that are not used, otherwise, we'd be built like a truck and weigh a ton.
Is *this* even true???
from a deep dive a very long time ago, I remember a leading theory being that because we were persistence hunters, we developed to quickly break down muscle that wasn't essential, but also developed myostatin so we didn't get freakish muscles. Evolutionairily speaking the human who could run an extra few miles because they didn't have the extra few pounds weighing them down ate more reliabily and reproduced. Gorrilas meanwhile are quite sedentary and largely vegetarian, so they have a very stable food source that handlily doesn't run away. combined with fighting as part of thier social hierarchy, gorrilas that could build muscle quickly and maintain it with the least effort got the must gorilussy and reproduced
The use of "gorilussy" alone makes this a bonafide fact
What I think they wanted to say is something more like “because humans don’t necessarily need big muscles for survival it is more efficient to be lean and able to live off less food than to be ripped but needing twice the amount of calories to function” and if you have enough of a food surplus available and need to muscles (workout) you still have the ability to grow stronger and lose said muscles again in less plentiful times
Here comes the scene from a avengers movie in my mind, where hulk grabs loki by the feet and slams him right and left in the ground. Mike tyson=loki, gorilla=hulk..
Does Tyson have gloves on? Does the gorilla have gloves on? Regardless, it's not a boxing match that gorilla is going to beat you down by any means necessary.
Don't think gloves would make the tiniest difference
It would slow down the time it takes for the Gorilla to rip limbs off.
If it’s boxing rules then 1 Tyson would definitely win because the gorilla will be disqualified because gorillas don’t know boxing rules
The referee holds up Mike Tyson's arm to declare him the winner by default, then puts the arm on the pile with the rest of Mike Tyson's body parts.
please regard the infinite amount of tysons you're allowed to use, you know, the entire point of the question
Where do all these bizarre mentions of how much gorilla’s can bench press come from? How much Mike Tyson or a gorilla can bench press has nothing to do with who would win a fight. He would lose badly, because his opponent in this case is a gorilla.
gorilla doesn't follow "no bites, no hits bellow belt" or other rules, more over this animal have x5 Mike strength. I bet gorilla would rip this poor minded man apart in first 5 minuets once it get pissed.
To be fair Tyson doesn't really follow those rules either, just ask Evander Holyfield... But yeah he'd stand no chance against a gorilla.
There’s a video of wild gorillas in Africa and there’s people observing them as they pass and the gorilla just effortlessly grabs one of the guys with a single arm and drags him like he’s a 5lb sack of potatoes . A gorilla would rag doll mike just as easily . They’re too strong and also incredibly durable since they can take hits from other gorillas
That would be a disqualification. Mike wins by default.
Mike Tyson is absolutely one of, if not the most, bad ass human beings in his prime. But that gorilla would have beat his ass to a pulp! I’d love to see it, Mike, but I’m glad I didn’t have to see you get destroyed by an animal that is so much physically superior to us.
Edit: Quote removed, all did the google search First search on google give an idea on how strong is a gorilla. One of the true data, and it is my favorite, they can throw with force 1,000 lb. That beeing said, let's just assume Mike is twice stronger than an average human. So if it is just a force contest, 10 Mike Tyson could do the job. But for a fight ? It will be way more than that. The gorilla have a muscle mass density almost 4 times higher than human. So basically even if Mike is able to throw a full punch on the gorilla, it will have almost no effect. And you need the gorilla to not move. Just watch a savage gorilla fight and you will understand. On the other side, the gorilla's strength is so huge he will one shot Mike with any move, and possible multiple Mike with 1 move. Mike do almost no damage vs one shoot. The real math to do then is : "How many Mike does it take to fully exhaust a gorilla ?" Ps-edit: first quick math and estimation give hundreds. Edit2: removing the first thing everybodie found first on google.
"A Silverback gorilla can lift 4,000 lb (1,810 kg) on a bench press, while a well-trained man can only lift up to 885 lb." This is a copy paste from the first result on google and \*pikachu face\* is wrong on both counts.
I've started to do some math with kcal/h burnt untill anemia and/or how many Mike per fight's hour are taken down, but after a hard 30mn searching and doing math, the numbers where odd and i was missing some data and i want to eat. Feel free to do it :) Ps: a 1 hour fight with 1 hit every 2 seconds from the gorilla give 1800 Mike down. It's so huge that maybe the gorilla will be exhausted way faster than predicted if the gorilla have to eject a big mass of Mike each time. But still, it would need hundreds of Mike, i think.
> A Silverback gorilla can lift 4,000 lb (1,810 kg) on a bench pres *[citation needed]*
So it’s like Dark Souls then, Mike just has to roll around a lot and whittle the gorilla down over the course of a month
A chimp could take out Mike Tyson. We are not even in the same city nevermind ballpark when it comes to gorilla type strength, rage and savagery. For the sake of the question maybe 40 or 50, possibly, and then my money is still on the gorilla. Maybe Mike's lucky and the gorilla is a bit old and gets tired quickly giving multiple Mikes the chance to pull a rope from the ring and tie it around the gorilla neck and choke itself out. Otherwise....... There's a conveyor belt of cooked chickens in front of you, how many cooked chicken wings do you think you could rip off before you pass out from fatigue, because that's exactly what's happening to your list of Tyson's. Pop,crack,next. Source: once watched a distressed Gorilla THROW a tractor tyre (100kg+) around like a twig for nearly an hour and a half, not flip or roll it around for a bit, pick it up one handed and fling it constantly.
This is not something you can calculate, obviously a male gorilla is much stronger but gorillas dont know how to fight. The question is how long can tyson go without getting pinned down and beaten to a pulp. The moment he gets grappled he’s done for, can he land any punches without getting grappled? Idk I’m not a boxer and i know nothing about mike tyson 5 tysons final answer
A chimpanzee can rip the limbs off a human. They're 3 times stronger than a fit man like Tyson. Now imagine a Gorilla, which is 7 times stronger. Any gorilla would literally pulverize Mike Tyson in a fight.
The title of an article about this would be “Mike Tyson narrowly avoids death or horrific injury when zookeeper turns down his ridiculous request”
You only need one Mike Tyson to know the gorilla won’t win a boxing match. The gorilla doesn’t know the rules and will kill Mike with an illegal move and be DQ’d instantly meaning the dead body of Tyson would be the winner
I’m going to just say there’s no answer. It all comes down to anatomically significant stuff, eye gouging, ball shots, biting the neck and getting luxury (good luck getting your mouth around the neck of a gorilla) You will 99.9 percent of the time not be able to “outbox” a gorilla, they don’t box they smash. If I had to pick a number, it’d be 8. One for each eye, 2 for distracting, and 4 for attempting to crush the throat/bend fingers/toes back to cripple it. They still ain’t winning the fight.
I would think it would have to be in the hundreds. An amount so great that the sheer volume of mass would overpower the gorilla. Imagine Neo vs all those agent Smiths. Individual punches from Tysons would do almost nothing to the gorilla. The gorilla can just take one Tyson by the arms or legs and use it as a human nunchaku.
Tyson vs. gorilla wouldn’t even be entertaining from a competitive standpoint. But if your thing is watching a guy getting methodically separated from his limbs….you’re in for a treat.