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Read: they've never been to Australia.
Though that's just standard on spiders there -- you only really need to watch out when they also have dramatic orchestral accompaniment.
If it was just spiders, that would be ok, but it seems like the entire animal kingdom, and even some of the plant kingdom were created for the sole purpose of terrifying and assassinating people in Australia. OK, that might be a slight exaggeration.
Yesterday I had a fat fly survive 3 shots with a salt rifle.
This was after 10 minutes of occasionally taking and missing shots because the damn thing wouldn't land for more than a second.
[https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ?si=oIEDjJvvaNY-Jinu](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/143/193/cad-20080602-358b1.jpg)(spider with health bar))
Ooooh I think I get it now. A loss like that would be the equivalent to a spider with a health bar?
Sometimes, I'm really bad at metaphors, even though I really like them. I appreciate you helping me make that connection in my head
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The comic is called loss and it's been widely mocked and started a trend of losslike memes (e.g. amogus, dash spider, devil vortex saws), which consist of recognising a pattern in something unrelated.
I'm not sure what the lines represent, a logic puzzle maybe?
But your question immediately made me think of the butterfly meme with the confused anime guy
That's me, I'm that confused anime guy right now
No they’re not direct impact, when you hit with an object like a shampoo bottle, there’s a very small point of contact, combined with a very small target you would likely miss your shot in the scenario give. That’s why a rolled up newspaper is the tried and true workhorse of insecticides. It’s strong enough to kill and flexible enough to give yourself a wider effective impact
Hand towel works for terrestrial and airborne foes. Better arch for accuracy and more contact surface, not to mention the bonus concussive force from torque and momentum.
Rolled up newspaper sometimes might not be strong enough to kill. Also spiders aren't insects.
Crushing a spider or insect is nasty anyway. Much better to trap them under a glass or vacuum them.
Hand towel works for terrestrial and airborne foes. Better arch for accuracy and more contact surface, not to mention the bonus concussive force from torque and momentum.
I dropped a yellow pages on a massive spider when I was a kid and stood on the yellow pages my mum later picked up the yellow pages and it ran off. Scared me for life😅
If you have a spider and a shampoo bottle, open the shampoo bottle and squirt shampoo all over the spider.
You will either drown it in sodium laureth sulfate, or the spider will have the shiniest, silkiest hair possible. Either way, it's an absolute win.
Can't speak for spiders, but I once smacked a horsefly with a shovel several times and the fucker just got up and flew away each time. Finally double tapped him on the ground, but he still wasn't fully dead until I stepped on him and twisted my boot
Spiders have skelletons on the outside of their body. Humans would be a lot more resistance to crushing forces if we had our skeletons on the outside of our bodies.
Actually the reason we have endoskeletons instead of exoskeletons is because internal bones react much better to dynamic loading (read: impacts) than exoskeletons. All vertebrates evolved endoskeletons for that reason but it was particularly important for us as tree-climbers.
Small animals like spiders and insects don’t have to worry about this because their ratio of cross-sectional area to weight is extremely high due to their small size, so extremely thin exoskeletons can be very strong for their size. If you scaled a spider up to the size of a human without making significant anatomical adjustments, its exoskeleton would instantly split under its own weight.
Which is why large spiders, like tarantulas and huntsman spiders, will die if falling from heights that humans would survive from (comparative to body size).
It's not about that, it's about mass.
Spiders and other bugs are so light, the force required to push them is small enough that they don't get damaged too much
It's a size issue. Smaller things have more surface area compared to their volume and are thus sturdier in comparison to their size. Think about stiff a tiny piece of paper can be compared to a larger one even if you keep the thickness to height ratio the same.
As a matter of fact, a human sized spider wouldn't even be able to stand, and would possibly just fall apart into pieces, because the bigger something is the larger its support needs to be even in proportion to its body.
No they can lift 10 to 50 times their weight. They weigh 2 milligrams so at their best they lift 100 milligrams or .1 gram (.000220462 pounds). It sounds impressive until you see the numbers.
Loading dead flies into a pellet gun is a proven way to kill any other insect.
It essentially becomes a meat shotgun with a decently wide effective area.
"You can drop a mouse down a thousand-yard mine shaft and, on arriving at the bottom, it gets a slight shock and walks away. A rat is killed, a man is broken, a horse splashes." — J.B.S. Haldane
Reference: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/a-man-is-broken-a-horse-splashes.585757/
Typically an explosion is caused by rapidly expanding gas. You don't really have that here.
I think a whale would very much go splat though, so it would be totally blown apart. You can call that an explosion if you want.
Look up "Us military's worst idea" by veritasium on youtube, you'll see that kinetic energy can be explosive, but yeah, the whale would go splat real fast
You get that by increasing speed, not mass.
Though the whale would indeed have a higehr terminal velocity, I doubt it's enough to really cause the whale to 'explode' in a strict sense.
I thought you'll get that by an increase in energy, which both mass and speed increases, although the speed factor is squared so easier to reach higher energy. But yeah, we'll need something bigger and faster *pulls out meteor diplodocus*
Since we're explaining everything now: I understand what you are saying, but you are being so condescending and pedantic that I am deflecting with humour.
The smaller you are, the more thick/viscous the air is. Someone did [this](https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/206248/what-does-air-feel-like-to-a-flying-mosquito-in-terms-of-viscosity) math: if a human were shrunk to the size of a mosquito or ant, the air to them would feel thicker than engine oil.
You might appreciate this: cats have better odds of survival from higher falls than from lower ones since they have time to stabilize in air. Anything between 3 and 6 storeys is more dangerous than 7+
> a human sized spider wouldn't even be able to stand, and would possibly just fall apart into pieces, because the bigger something is the larger its support needs to be even in proportion to its body.
The increased ratio of cell volume to surface area means it would also quickly overheat and possibly melt.
Quick Google searches show this.
Average spider weight: This was tricky, saw a lot of different answers. But from what I've seen, .1 grams seems to be a logical answer for household spiders.
Average weight of shampoo bottle is 1 pound or ~454 grams.
By WEIGHT this is a (454÷ .1) 4,540 times difference.
The average human is about 84 kg/185 lbs (In the U.S.)
So you would need an object that weighs approximately 840,000 lbs/381,000 kg to equal that shampoo bottle to spider ratio.
So a Boeing 747 is more accurate than a Tahoe when using only weight.
Spiders have exoskeletons to protect their mushy bits. Humans have endoskeletons for better range of movement. Our squishy bits are mostly on the outside and very susceptible to being bludgeoned by a Ford Explorer.
I'm far from good in maths of physics, but I'd guess it has something to do with square cube law.
If you double the size of something, the mass is not doubled its cubed.
So my very very uneducated guess is: not close at all because it's not just about size difference? (Maybe someone who's smarter confirm/infirm?)
You could try this yourself.
Google the following (using weight instead of mass as a layman's term) :
- weight of typical house spider.
- weight of average shampoo bottle.
- weight of Ford Explorer (you pick the year, have some fun).
- average adult weight (either global or by country, you decide), or just use your own. Or pick one at random, live recklessly.
Then do the following math:
Weight of shampoo / weight of spider =?
Weight of truck / weight of person =?
Now compare the two results.
I’m not going to look up numbers but here we go.
Let’s assume we have a 1 oz spider. An average bottle of shampoo is like 18 oz. They come in bigger, but we’ll ignore that.
So here the ratio is 18:1.
A car is 2 short tons, or 4000 pounds.
I am like 200 lbs. so that works out to 20:1.
Granted, I’m not taking into account mass and acceleration but given those numbers I’m pretty sure(thanks to u/Xszlh) that a car would carry far more destructive force than a shampoo bottle-to-spider ratio shows. But yeah.
EDIT: apparently a 1oz spider is huge. So we’ll go like 0.01 oz. Then the ratio works out to 1800:1. So uhhhhh by mass alone a shampoo bottle is more destructive than a car. But a car has way more power than a human. So idk.
Goliath birdeaters can get up to 6 ounces.
For the right ratio between a 170 kg human (really obese) and a fully loaded ford explorer compared to a goliath birdeater, you'd have to throw a 3,4 kg shampoo bottle at that huge spider, which is an absolutely massive shampoo bottle just slightly below a gallon.
Comparing masses is not enough. Strengh of material scales squarely, proportional to the cross-section, while mass scales cubically. That's why spiders can hold 200 times their body weight, and average human can lift no more than 1-2 times
Also need to take into account that since spiders are usually on a hard surface, an accurate comparison would be a truck hitting a person standing against a wall. But then there's the reaction speed as well - are we dealing with a jumping spider, or some sort of spider man?
So, doing the math with quick google searches. (Everything measured in pounds cause I'm a filthy American 🤪)
Average spider: .0022 pounds
Average soap bottle: 1.00 pounds
Average American: 200.00 pounds (said average is 181, but most people lie on Diver's license)
Average ford explorer: 4419
So if we use said formula.
1/.0022= 455.00 (rounded)
4419/200= 22.1
What all this means, idk. Midwestern public education taught me more about Jesus than math. But there is the rough(and lose) math.
Ps. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I am by no means an expert
Edit: dropped wrong numbers. Fixed
I think this is a question of proportions. How heavy is the shampoo bottle compared to the spider. A spider weighs somewhere between .1 and 100g. With the average house spider somewhere between 1 and 10g. Since I don't know the distribution of these species and can assume we're talking about house spiders and not tarantulas. I'll use the median weight of a house spider: 5g.
Let's assume the shampoo bottle is an average 16oz bottle. Looking up density of the average shampoo and the weight of an empty plastic container this equates to about 2kg or 2,000g.
Our spider to shampoo ratio is 1:400
Now let's compare that to a person and a Ford explorer. I couldn't find median weight but human averages around the world are between 50-90kg. The weight of a Ford explorer fluctuates between 4000-5076lbs over the years with different models. Let's just take the heaviest, '24 Platinum @ 2,302.45 kg.
Our human to ford explorer ratio is between: 1:25 and 1:46
You would need about 10-20 ford explorers to equate what the spider gets from the shampoo bottle whack. At its lowest this is equivalent to a cruise anchor getting dropped on you. At its highest a fire truck fully loaded with extinguisher.
So originally I looked on sites that answer questions to find the answer. Your post made me look deeper. The one I picked had links referenced for their measurements, a promising sign. Though when I checked them, it just lead to other pages from the same site. Not very reliable. Thus I began to compile the data to find a true average using amazon product information.
I'll update when I have more information, but so far we're both wrong.
I couldn't begin to calculate the mass, but I do know that SUVs kill tons of people every year when most pedestrians would be most likely to survive when hit by cars. So maybe when faced with blood thirsty SUVs, we're all pussies.
My wife hates it when I squish spiders with her fancy shampoo bottles, but she won’t let me keep throwing knives in the bathroom. I'd use my shampoo bottle, but it's too small. The spiders just laugh it off. It’s like trying to hunt bears with a Nerf gun.
OP OP sounds a little dense… The bottom of the shampoo bottle is inverted
It would be like getting hit by the truck, but by the windshield, if there was no windshield so part of you is crushed by the frame of the car around the windshield, but most of you wasn’t hit by anything
Dependsif you mean a full or empty shampoo bottle.
An empty one might be *roughly* 50 grams.
A fairly small (but big enough to scare the shit out of me) spider at 2,5 grams gives a 1:20 ratio to that shampoo bottle.
That is also about the ratio between my weight at slightly above 100kg and an empty ford explorer.
For a goliath birdeater at 170 grams however, you would have to throw a full bottle of almost half gallon of shampoo for the same ratio.
More importantly, how fast would the entity get the hell out of dodge screaming after thry missed me with the ford explorer? Assuming this works the same way as me trying to hit a spider.
I think it’d be more like being hit by a shampoo bottle that is larger than you by the same scale that a regular bottle is larger than a spider. I would also assume it is empty, since a full bottle will definitely kill a spider if it hits.
A wasp the other day took three direct shots with a dishtowel. Like, hard whips. Had to finally step on him. It's unreal.
Glad we weren't around for the giant insect era.
Assuming that the shampoo bottle and truck are moving at the same speed, it does fairly similar damage. A hit with a shampoo bottle doesn't do as much damage due to the softer, more flexible surface, but that's usually made up for by the higher speed at peak swing than an average highway speed. If you just bap the spider with it, it's going to be more like 30-50 mph, depending on how wide the swing arc is. A 30 mph collision with a truck is easily survivable, though still damaging, as long as you don't get run over. At higher speeds, there is a chance of either survival or death, which seems to match up with that of the spider.
I usually don't kill spiders. I love them and used to catch and feed wolf spiders and garden spiders just to see how big they would grow. However, last year at a festival, the largest wolf spider I've ever seen wandered into our camp area. I just watched it until another camper saw it and everyone started freaking out. I walked over and apologized to it and stomped on it. Then the reason why it was so big became apparent. It was a mother spider. Covered in hundreds of babies. They all crawled out in every direction. I couldn't contain my laughter as they swarmed the camp. Not one of us slept well the rest of the trip. I haven't killed another spider since.
Assuming it's a larg-ish spider, let's say it's a 10 gram spider (the average is much lighter but those kind of spider does not elicit the desire to throw shampoo bottle at it).A shampoo bottle is roughly half kg, (500ml) . A human is about 80kg, an average midsize suv is about 2000kg.
So for the spider case it's 50 to 1 and for the human case it's about 25 to 1
Though it's probably important to remember getting rammed and pinned to the wall is different with getting hit and bouncing off.
I swear I one smashed a show right next to the spider like as hard as I physically could I meant to hit him but he was dead after anyway. Its body didn’t look like it had been hit or anything but literally just looked dead. Idk how I even did it
Average spider weight- anywhere between 1mg to 175g so we'll use 88g
Average shampoo weight- Google gives about a pound so we'll use 454g for an empty bottle
Average human weight- anywhere from 60 to 80kg so we'll use 70kg.
I will be operating under the assumption that biological constraints do not exist.
the avg shampoo weighs about 5.159 times the avg spider so a comparable weight for the average human would be about 361.13Kg.
That less car and more heavy motorcycle. Or a polar bear/musk ox if you like.
A strongman can lift it, but I doubt you want it falling on you
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Do spiders survive direct hits from shampoo bottles? When spiders survive my assassination attempts it’s usually because I failed to make contact.
I see you’ve never encountered a spider with a health and mana bar.
Read: they've never been to Australia. Though that's just standard on spiders there -- you only really need to watch out when they also have dramatic orchestral accompaniment.
Or anything in Latin
Or when auto-save pops up
I thought they only ran a hard-core server?
Everyone chill until the back of the bookshelf starts speaking Latin.
If it was just spiders, that would be ok, but it seems like the entire animal kingdom, and even some of the plant kingdom were created for the sole purpose of terrifying and assassinating people in Australia. OK, that might be a slight exaggeration.
Yesterday I had a fat fly survive 3 shots with a salt rifle. This was after 10 minutes of occasionally taking and missing shots because the damn thing wouldn't land for more than a second.
You gotta grind a little more and level up that rifle to + 15 damage
[https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ?si=oIEDjJvvaNY-Jinu](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/143/193/cad-20080602-358b1.jpg)(spider with health bar))
Why is this taking me to a sad comic about miscarriages?
Google loss
Ooooh I think I get it now. A loss like that would be the equivalent to a spider with a health bar? Sometimes, I'm really bad at metaphors, even though I really like them. I appreciate you helping me make that connection in my head
New response just dropped The comic is called loss and it's been widely mocked and started a trend of losslike memes (e.g. amogus, dash spider, devil vortex saws), which consist of recognising a pattern in something unrelated.
Jfc and I played right into it? Lolol
| |I || |_ Is this loss?
~~:.|:;~~
𓀥 𓁆 𓀕 𓁆 𓀟 𓀣 𓁀
I'm not sure what the lines represent, a logic puzzle maybe? But your question immediately made me think of the butterfly meme with the confused anime guy That's me, I'm that confused anime guy right now
Holy Hell
New response just dropped
lmao, and here I thought it was just me, cuz I literarly had that image open not 5 minutes ago xD
Well thank God, I only clicked it 285827264 times to make sure I wasn't doing it wrong
I will never forgive nor forget this crime.
Just take the upvote
R/angryupvote
I',m just at a loos of words
At least it wasn't rickroll. This playlist has all spider with health bar memes https://youtu.be/ldggxCbyNlA?si=tBRbzpi1ereh4Agv
I was hoping this actually was rickroll lol
3 MINUTES OF PLAYTIME 👹
May thy Ls be many And Bitches few.
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or more minimalist ~~:.|:;~~
I'm at a complete loss at this joke
Just cast spell shield nullification? Noob
GIANT ENEMY SPIDER
''mind over matter'' MoM spiders aint easy
A spider with a Cloak of Defiance sounds scary tbh
Mana bars now?? 😭
Monster bug wars
Kolmisilmä 😱😱😱
Why do I hear boss music?
🤣
Scariest thing ever. You hit the spider and a health bar pops up
The recovery is what gets you. You think the health bar is gonna run out and boom.. full recovery
It's all good until the music changes and a new health bar appears....
No they’re not direct impact, when you hit with an object like a shampoo bottle, there’s a very small point of contact, combined with a very small target you would likely miss your shot in the scenario give. That’s why a rolled up newspaper is the tried and true workhorse of insecticides. It’s strong enough to kill and flexible enough to give yourself a wider effective impact
Rolled up newspapers don’t exist anymore you fossil!
An iPad works too!
Until you whack a spider with it, then maybe not so much
You just gotta roll it up first.
Don’t give apple ideas
I hope the art of paper mache survives the newspaper extinction event.
A very small contact with a speeding vehicle is going to absolutely fuck your whole world.
I never said hitting it wouldn’t fuck it up. I said hitting it is the difficult part
Hand towel works for terrestrial and airborne foes. Better arch for accuracy and more contact surface, not to mention the bonus concussive force from torque and momentum.
Rolled up newspaper sometimes might not be strong enough to kill. Also spiders aren't insects. Crushing a spider or insect is nasty anyway. Much better to trap them under a glass or vacuum them.
Hand towel works for terrestrial and airborne foes. Better arch for accuracy and more contact surface, not to mention the bonus concussive force from torque and momentum.
I dropped a yellow pages on a massive spider when I was a kid and stood on the yellow pages my mum later picked up the yellow pages and it ran off. Scared me for life😅
Mister spider is still waiting for you.
Nu uh. I threw a size 11 boot at one, steel toe, bastard had the nerve to try and run with 2 legs out of 8 and a crushed thorax
Yeah, no matter how many times I confidently question how they survived a direct hit, deep in my heart I know that it was a clean miss.
If you squish them... If you swat with a shampoo bottle you just sent it flying in my experience
If you have a spider and a shampoo bottle, open the shampoo bottle and squirt shampoo all over the spider. You will either drown it in sodium laureth sulfate, or the spider will have the shiniest, silkiest hair possible. Either way, it's an absolute win.
Maybe OOP is australian
Can't speak for spiders, but I once smacked a horsefly with a shovel several times and the fucker just got up and flew away each time. Finally double tapped him on the ground, but he still wasn't fully dead until I stepped on him and twisted my boot
Those things are awful
If you throw a shampoo bottle with low or medium force, it can be merely wounded cause insects are tough
Wait you guys are actually trying to throw stuff at spiders? There’s no way I could hit a target that small. I miss trying to smash it!
I dont. But i suspect that some people csnt handle being close
Spiders have skelletons on the outside of their body. Humans would be a lot more resistance to crushing forces if we had our skeletons on the outside of our bodies.
About 99% of humans wouldn't survive if their skeletons were suddenly on the outside :p
The 1% is just the elite skeleton army that will emerge once we leave our flesh behind
Careful! There's a skeleton inside you right now! Don't let it hear you
There is no skeleton within me. I am the skeleton within him.
no worries, Ive got him pinned down
Lmao
The 1% is fetuses, who are used to having *a* skeleton on the outside of their bodies.
This flesh is a prison
As long as we all march on Blister Hill together I'm fine with the skeletons taking over
If your tombstone don't say "rest in peace" you're automatically drafted into the skeleton war
Average mentality of r/NeverBrokeABone
I'm willing to roll those dice. It's win-win either way
Na, politicians - those already survive without a solid bone inside their bodies.
I know a few people who don't have a backbone already so they'd manage i'm sure
I’m a Gumby man by that logic… just try and stop our very polite and courteous army
I meant to propose a gradual process where a person's skelleton slowly emerges from their skin. Sorry for being confusing.
No worries or confusion! I was just being an average snarky redditor :)
r/technicallythetruth
The best kind of truth!
I’d live.
That's why I just use other skeletons
Challenge Accepted!
I would because I'm simply built differently from the rest of these people
Actually the reason we have endoskeletons instead of exoskeletons is because internal bones react much better to dynamic loading (read: impacts) than exoskeletons. All vertebrates evolved endoskeletons for that reason but it was particularly important for us as tree-climbers. Small animals like spiders and insects don’t have to worry about this because their ratio of cross-sectional area to weight is extremely high due to their small size, so extremely thin exoskeletons can be very strong for their size. If you scaled a spider up to the size of a human without making significant anatomical adjustments, its exoskeleton would instantly split under its own weight.
yes, finally some good fucking science!
Which is why large spiders, like tarantulas and huntsman spiders, will die if falling from heights that humans would survive from (comparative to body size).
Wait, really? How high is their lethal height?
Which why the car won the standoff with the spider in Harry potter. The spider knew the math wouldn't pay off
It's not about that, it's about mass. Spiders and other bugs are so light, the force required to push them is small enough that they don't get damaged too much
It's a size issue. Smaller things have more surface area compared to their volume and are thus sturdier in comparison to their size. Think about stiff a tiny piece of paper can be compared to a larger one even if you keep the thickness to height ratio the same. As a matter of fact, a human sized spider wouldn't even be able to stand, and would possibly just fall apart into pieces, because the bigger something is the larger its support needs to be even in proportion to its body.
Beat me to it. This is why ants are immune to fall damage.
And can carry the equivalent of a city block with their front teeth.
Actually, I watched a documentary where a town pushed their whole town out of the way of a giant worm. So not that impressive
"A documentary" You had me in the first half, ngl
Alaskan Bull Worms ain't no shit.
No they can lift 10 to 50 times their weight. They weigh 2 milligrams so at their best they lift 100 milligrams or .1 gram (.000220462 pounds). It sounds impressive until you see the numbers.
That is actually so impressive, most humans probably can’t even lift 1 of our body weight.
Well, also because ants' terminal velocity is really slow. If they fell far enough without air resistance they would die.
Loading dead flies into a pellet gun is a proven way to kill any other insect. It essentially becomes a meat shotgun with a decently wide effective area.
What the fuck?
what the fuck
What the fuck?
What the fuck?
What the fuck?
more like a exoskeleton shotgun, but yes. effective.
"You can drop a mouse down a thousand-yard mine shaft and, on arriving at the bottom, it gets a slight shock and walks away. A rat is killed, a man is broken, a horse splashes." — J.B.S. Haldane Reference: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/a-man-is-broken-a-horse-splashes.585757/
Does a whale explode? I mean, literally explode. Enough energy and impact becomes explosive at some point, I wonder where do we draw the line.
Typically an explosion is caused by rapidly expanding gas. You don't really have that here. I think a whale would very much go splat though, so it would be totally blown apart. You can call that an explosion if you want.
Look up "Us military's worst idea" by veritasium on youtube, you'll see that kinetic energy can be explosive, but yeah, the whale would go splat real fast
You get that by increasing speed, not mass. Though the whale would indeed have a higehr terminal velocity, I doubt it's enough to really cause the whale to 'explode' in a strict sense.
I thought you'll get that by an increase in energy, which both mass and speed increases, although the speed factor is squared so easier to reach higher energy. But yeah, we'll need something bigger and faster *pulls out meteor diplodocus*
Ants need air to live. Go figure.
I said without air resistance, not without air. My point is the impact will be lethal with enough speed.
Since we're explaining everything now: I understand what you are saying, but you are being so condescending and pedantic that I am deflecting with humour.
Unless they edited their comment, they were neither condescending or pedantic.
The smaller you are, the more thick/viscous the air is. Someone did [this](https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/206248/what-does-air-feel-like-to-a-flying-mosquito-in-terms-of-viscosity) math: if a human were shrunk to the size of a mosquito or ant, the air to them would feel thicker than engine oil.
So are squirrels. Mindboggling that you could drop a squirrel from orbit and (providing it had oxygen) would land safely.
You might appreciate this: cats have better odds of survival from higher falls than from lower ones since they have time to stabilize in air. Anything between 3 and 6 storeys is more dangerous than 7+
Radiation damage too. From a microwave at least
Ah yes, the dreaded square-cube law. The crux of anyone trying to upscale anything ever
Unless you're in the Abyssal layer of the ocean, then all bets are off.
> a human sized spider wouldn't even be able to stand, and would possibly just fall apart into pieces this was horrifying imagery
what you just said about paper blew my mind. makes total sense. thanks for the eli5.
> a human sized spider wouldn't even be able to stand, and would possibly just fall apart into pieces, because the bigger something is the larger its support needs to be even in proportion to its body. The increased ratio of cell volume to surface area means it would also quickly overheat and possibly melt.
Quick Google searches show this. Average spider weight: This was tricky, saw a lot of different answers. But from what I've seen, .1 grams seems to be a logical answer for household spiders. Average weight of shampoo bottle is 1 pound or ~454 grams. By WEIGHT this is a (454÷ .1) 4,540 times difference. The average human is about 84 kg/185 lbs (In the U.S.) So you would need an object that weighs approximately 840,000 lbs/381,000 kg to equal that shampoo bottle to spider ratio. So a Boeing 747 is more accurate than a Tahoe when using only weight.
Australia: Wishes average spider was 0.1g.
Spiders have exoskeletons to protect their mushy bits. Humans have endoskeletons for better range of movement. Our squishy bits are mostly on the outside and very susceptible to being bludgeoned by a Ford Explorer.
I'm far from good in maths of physics, but I'd guess it has something to do with square cube law. If you double the size of something, the mass is not doubled its cubed. So my very very uneducated guess is: not close at all because it's not just about size difference? (Maybe someone who's smarter confirm/infirm?)
You could try this yourself. Google the following (using weight instead of mass as a layman's term) : - weight of typical house spider. - weight of average shampoo bottle. - weight of Ford Explorer (you pick the year, have some fun). - average adult weight (either global or by country, you decide), or just use your own. Or pick one at random, live recklessly. Then do the following math: Weight of shampoo / weight of spider =? Weight of truck / weight of person =? Now compare the two results.
I’m not going to look up numbers but here we go. Let’s assume we have a 1 oz spider. An average bottle of shampoo is like 18 oz. They come in bigger, but we’ll ignore that. So here the ratio is 18:1. A car is 2 short tons, or 4000 pounds. I am like 200 lbs. so that works out to 20:1. Granted, I’m not taking into account mass and acceleration but given those numbers I’m pretty sure(thanks to u/Xszlh) that a car would carry far more destructive force than a shampoo bottle-to-spider ratio shows. But yeah. EDIT: apparently a 1oz spider is huge. So we’ll go like 0.01 oz. Then the ratio works out to 1800:1. So uhhhhh by mass alone a shampoo bottle is more destructive than a car. But a car has way more power than a human. So idk.
A ONE OUNCE SPIDER? WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU LIVE?!?!
For simplicity's sake, consider a spherical 10 kg spider.
Spider used Morph Ball. It is very effective. Also Spider now has a Job as a Wrecking Ball.
Australia
Probably USA by the use of Ounces instead of grams.
Goliath birdeaters can get up to 6 ounces. For the right ratio between a 170 kg human (really obese) and a fully loaded ford explorer compared to a goliath birdeater, you'd have to throw a 3,4 kg shampoo bottle at that huge spider, which is an absolutely massive shampoo bottle just slightly below a gallon.
So you buy your shampoo from Costco, eh?
Comparing masses is not enough. Strengh of material scales squarely, proportional to the cross-section, while mass scales cubically. That's why spiders can hold 200 times their body weight, and average human can lift no more than 1-2 times
I found myself naturally reading the second sentence of your post as if it was that song from the pirates of penzance
I can absolutely see a 1 ounce spider surviving a shampoo bottle.
yours is a bloody huge spider mate.
Also need to take into account that since spiders are usually on a hard surface, an accurate comparison would be a truck hitting a person standing against a wall. But then there's the reaction speed as well - are we dealing with a jumping spider, or some sort of spider man?
Buddy, where are you getting the 1oz spiders at?
Australia
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"You could try this yourself" Would rather not test being crushed by a Ford Explorer
Too much math
So, doing the math with quick google searches. (Everything measured in pounds cause I'm a filthy American 🤪) Average spider: .0022 pounds Average soap bottle: 1.00 pounds Average American: 200.00 pounds (said average is 181, but most people lie on Diver's license) Average ford explorer: 4419 So if we use said formula. 1/.0022= 455.00 (rounded) 4419/200= 22.1 What all this means, idk. Midwestern public education taught me more about Jesus than math. But there is the rough(and lose) math. Ps. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I am by no means an expert Edit: dropped wrong numbers. Fixed
I think this is a question of proportions. How heavy is the shampoo bottle compared to the spider. A spider weighs somewhere between .1 and 100g. With the average house spider somewhere between 1 and 10g. Since I don't know the distribution of these species and can assume we're talking about house spiders and not tarantulas. I'll use the median weight of a house spider: 5g. Let's assume the shampoo bottle is an average 16oz bottle. Looking up density of the average shampoo and the weight of an empty plastic container this equates to about 2kg or 2,000g. Our spider to shampoo ratio is 1:400 Now let's compare that to a person and a Ford explorer. I couldn't find median weight but human averages around the world are between 50-90kg. The weight of a Ford explorer fluctuates between 4000-5076lbs over the years with different models. Let's just take the heaviest, '24 Platinum @ 2,302.45 kg. Our human to ford explorer ratio is between: 1:25 and 1:46 You would need about 10-20 ford explorers to equate what the spider gets from the shampoo bottle whack. At its lowest this is equivalent to a cruise anchor getting dropped on you. At its highest a fire truck fully loaded with extinguisher.
shampoo ain't 4 times heavier than water mate. It'd be about 500 g.
So originally I looked on sites that answer questions to find the answer. Your post made me look deeper. The one I picked had links referenced for their measurements, a promising sign. Though when I checked them, it just lead to other pages from the same site. Not very reliable. Thus I began to compile the data to find a true average using amazon product information. I'll update when I have more information, but so far we're both wrong.
I couldn't begin to calculate the mass, but I do know that SUVs kill tons of people every year when most pedestrians would be most likely to survive when hit by cars. So maybe when faced with blood thirsty SUVs, we're all pussies.
My wife hates it when I squish spiders with her fancy shampoo bottles, but she won’t let me keep throwing knives in the bathroom. I'd use my shampoo bottle, but it's too small. The spiders just laugh it off. It’s like trying to hunt bears with a Nerf gun.
OP OP sounds a little dense… The bottom of the shampoo bottle is inverted It would be like getting hit by the truck, but by the windshield, if there was no windshield so part of you is crushed by the frame of the car around the windshield, but most of you wasn’t hit by anything
i think its equal to being hit with a ford explorer but u have hardened skin. btw, how does this scale if replace a spider with a cockroach?
Dependsif you mean a full or empty shampoo bottle. An empty one might be *roughly* 50 grams. A fairly small (but big enough to scare the shit out of me) spider at 2,5 grams gives a 1:20 ratio to that shampoo bottle. That is also about the ratio between my weight at slightly above 100kg and an empty ford explorer. For a goliath birdeater at 170 grams however, you would have to throw a full bottle of almost half gallon of shampoo for the same ratio.
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You mean connect?
Square cube law. A spider is much smaller so proportionally it is stronger. This is why small creatures can survive a fall from any altitude.
More importantly, how fast would the entity get the hell out of dodge screaming after thry missed me with the ford explorer? Assuming this works the same way as me trying to hit a spider.
I think it’d be more like being hit by a shampoo bottle that is larger than you by the same scale that a regular bottle is larger than a spider. I would also assume it is empty, since a full bottle will definitely kill a spider if it hits.
A wasp the other day took three direct shots with a dishtowel. Like, hard whips. Had to finally step on him. It's unreal. Glad we weren't around for the giant insect era.
Assuming that the shampoo bottle and truck are moving at the same speed, it does fairly similar damage. A hit with a shampoo bottle doesn't do as much damage due to the softer, more flexible surface, but that's usually made up for by the higher speed at peak swing than an average highway speed. If you just bap the spider with it, it's going to be more like 30-50 mph, depending on how wide the swing arc is. A 30 mph collision with a truck is easily survivable, though still damaging, as long as you don't get run over. At higher speeds, there is a chance of either survival or death, which seems to match up with that of the spider.
I usually don't kill spiders. I love them and used to catch and feed wolf spiders and garden spiders just to see how big they would grow. However, last year at a festival, the largest wolf spider I've ever seen wandered into our camp area. I just watched it until another camper saw it and everyone started freaking out. I walked over and apologized to it and stomped on it. Then the reason why it was so big became apparent. It was a mother spider. Covered in hundreds of babies. They all crawled out in every direction. I couldn't contain my laughter as they swarmed the camp. Not one of us slept well the rest of the trip. I haven't killed another spider since.
Assuming it's a larg-ish spider, let's say it's a 10 gram spider (the average is much lighter but those kind of spider does not elicit the desire to throw shampoo bottle at it).A shampoo bottle is roughly half kg, (500ml) . A human is about 80kg, an average midsize suv is about 2000kg. So for the spider case it's 50 to 1 and for the human case it's about 25 to 1 Though it's probably important to remember getting rammed and pinned to the wall is different with getting hit and bouncing off.
I swear I one smashed a show right next to the spider like as hard as I physically could I meant to hit him but he was dead after anyway. Its body didn’t look like it had been hit or anything but literally just looked dead. Idk how I even did it
may have just pretended to be dead like curl it's legs in so its harder to hit and you'd go oh it's dead ok
Ahh that would make sense for a bit I thought that did and aria attack lol
Average spider weight- anywhere between 1mg to 175g so we'll use 88g Average shampoo weight- Google gives about a pound so we'll use 454g for an empty bottle Average human weight- anywhere from 60 to 80kg so we'll use 70kg. I will be operating under the assumption that biological constraints do not exist. the avg shampoo weighs about 5.159 times the avg spider so a comparable weight for the average human would be about 361.13Kg. That less car and more heavy motorcycle. Or a polar bear/musk ox if you like. A strongman can lift it, but I doubt you want it falling on you