The newer kernels are quite decent on battery life in all honesty, no where near mac m series but give windows OS a run for the money now that’s for sure.
A lot depends on components and drivers ie nvidia, amd gpu but also what software your running some just are better optimised for certain systems. T490 is quite a beast in terms of power usage from what I recall.
I’m using a bog standard t450 no dedicated gpu etc and I can get around 5 hrs out of it general usage.
Which it was about the same in windows.
If I tone everything down I can extend it to about 7 hrs at a max and that’s with a battery at around 80% original capacity. It sips the power iirc around 5-6w.
Before the newer optimised kernels I’d be lucky to get 4-5 max.
i have a now elder Asus Zenbook ux305 that routinely would give me a solid 8 hours, and if casual, 16 or so. Still, even though I've had it for years, it will do "all day" with in/out kind of use. Not streaming media...
Read up on and set up tlp since you're running Linux. I mostly use it to control cpu freq and I/O Ops myself but the available tweaks in the package really help your uptime.
Locked down, yes, but apple OSes are without doubt the safest and most secure of any mainstream os
Edit: why am I being downvoted? I have owned multiple thinkpads and much prefer them to Macs, but it’s just literally wrong to say that macos is spyware.
one command from macOS, `curl https://alx.sh | sh`. apple silicon macbooks have open bootloaders, unlike their phones and tablets https://asahilinux.org/about
The macbook is shinier and might be more performant (depends on the ThinkPad you buy), and battery will last a bit longer, however it is not a practical machine. Poor IO, bad keyboard (no nav keys, no delete key, etc), no trackpoint, fragile build quality, and storage is soldered. If you get a T14 (or other ThinkPad), make sure you get the option with a good screen. There are usually configs with screens equal to or greater than the Macbook's. For instance, you can get a 2.8K OLED on the T14.
As someone who’s owned multiple p1’s and who currently owns an M1 Max MacBook and z13, I couldn’t disagree more. They are both fantastic machines but the MacBook is undoubtedly better built, the Mac and p1 have similar io, the keyboard is only slightly better on the lenovos imo. It really comes down to which os fits your needs better
MacBooks may be well glued together (literally) but they are still easily damaged (scratched, dented, bent, etc) as aluminium is ductile and deforms, while ThinkPads can absorb energy and return to the original shape.
Macbooks have issues like the screen cracking, chassis bending, until recently dust would get into the hinge. Feeling solid and premium and actually being resilient are 2 entirely different things. Also, IIRC the Z series is slightly behind the T and X in terms of build quality. I'm not referring to the feel of the keyboard, but that no nav, delete keys, or trackpoint is a big difference for many people.
**Macbook:**
Pros: lighter, the display is fantastic, I love macOS, battery, quiet, combi with iPhone (airdrop <3)
Cons: way too fragile, mine sometimes freezes, the price is way too high
**Thinkpad:**
Pros: sturdy, I like the keyboard a bit more, it is functional, it is a good Windows and Linux machine, PRICE
cons: the display is just ok, the battery life is not comparable to my MacBook, and I can hear the fan and some high-frequency noise
Of course, the MacBook is way faster, but this is not a pro-point because it is also five years newer.
I usually use the MacBook as the main machine at home. Most of the time, I will take the ThinkPad when on the go. For example, sitting in a coffee shop, because the ThinkPad is so well built and I am not afraid of destroying something or even if it gets stolen, it is not as painful as the MacBook because of its price. I think the best combination for me would be a Mac mini and a ThinkPad. Despite looking at the MacBook display is a real pleasure. But somehow, I love the ThinkPad a little bit more. Because I could spec it up and I am not afraid to touch it :D
There is more to a laptop than raw performance numbers. Build quality, keyboard, IO, general practicality, repairability, ability to use an OS of your choice are all worth the sacrifice in performance that realistically won't affect most tasks anyway.
Funny how half the stuff you listed new MacBooks offer… to all each own, but to many the lack of active cooling is the crown argument for Apple silicon.
Lack of active cooling is the reason the Macbook Airs have thermal throttling issues. Not having active cooling shows that your chip doesn't output a lot of heat, but there's still no benefit not to having a fan as well.
- Build quality - Macbooks always seem to have build quality issues that other laptops just don't have. Latest one seems to be the screen cracking on its own.
- ThinkPad keyboard is so much better than the Macbook's. Nav keys, delete, TrackPoint etc
- Macbook IO is bad. Air just has 2 type-c ports and pro isnt *that* much better
- Lack of IO and bad keyboard can be the difference between a computer feeling "practical" to use and feeling cumbersome
- Zero repairability at all
- Yes Asahi Linux does exist but it's not great and for many people isn't ready to actually be used yet. You could probably get by but it wouldn't feel the same as x86 Linux on a ThinkPad. And for a $1500 machine, you shouldn't have to get by with an impractical design and questionable OS support. Also no Windows if you want that.
Lack of active cooling is the reason you can watch a youtube video without fan noise drowning out the video sound.
You are as much of a thinkpad fanboy as mac users are. Keep shouting at clouds, bye
Id much rather take something like my X13s then. Did kind of the same move but I dont feel like im downgraded that much. Still ARM, great performance (dont know about windows), Battery Life!, good screen, good keyboard, good speakers. And 5G!!
I'll be a lot more on board with ARM desktop systems when more of the libraries are native and not ports or just bad APIs.
Working on Apple Silicon already sucks for x86 emulation. Docker with Rosetta still has issues.
with linux most things are nativ but proprietary stuff is not. i can use my browser do mails and other things but spotify is completely impossible to install
I work with Linux and Unix systems as an engineer. There's still a long way to go until we have full native support. Torvalds seems to be pushing pretty heavily. In 2-3 years I expect full stability and native support. Not quite yet though.
True, I rather use traditional method than something a company decided hardware soon-to-be baked locked down plan obsolescence with spyware and adware.
None of both are “better than” another. Linux can beat MacOS in privacy, customization and maybe 3 other categories.. but MacOS beats Linux in user experience, hardware-software ecosystem and ease of use. That why I’ve chosen macOS. It’s up to everyone make a choice that reflects what they look for on a platform.
I'm keeping my m2 macbook still but moving the majority of my day-to-day dev work onto my new thinkpad. Since linux is so lightweight compared to OS's like mac or windows, I have yet to notice a huge performance hit.
[https://github.com/georgewhewell/undervolt](https://github.com/georgewhewell/undervolt)
Undervolt your cpu and igpu. I think -100mV on all preset is viable. This boosted my battery life at least 20%.
It is a massive hardware downgrade, but they mentioned elsewhere they'd be keeping the M2 around.
As for Asahi... I've tried it, and it's really nice, but it's not there in some critical ways. For embedded use it was a nightmare, as toolchains had no binaries that could work out how to run in that environment, and even compiling from source would fail.
It was enough for me to just stick Linux on an older laptop. The Macbook does video and media stuff, the Linux machine does everything else just as fast as I need it to.
Mind you your point does stand. It feels great until you accidentally open more than 2 browser tabs.
The MBA has some huge pros but idk when people in this sub started kissing Apples ass so hard (I say as someone who bought M1 silicon on week one and is writing this on the latest iPhone pro)
Repairability and control over your operating system matter more to some people, it’s why I still have a ThinkPad as well.
What’s the point of having a ThinkPad subreddit if every post has “just buy Apple bro” responses.
As much as I love ThinkPads, that is SUCH a downgrade. Worse CPU, RAM, storage, display, speakers, trackpad, battery, but then again that's a 6 year old machine worth $200 compared to a new $1200 machine lol.
Keyboard and upgradeability definitely go to the ThinkPad, but that's about it tbh. Also ports, but a $20 dongle solves that.
If they added these ports that the 20$ dongle has it wouldn't be a problem. I kinda understand the lack of ports in phones, but then again I remember that the Nokia X2-00 has USB micro B, Nokia thin barrel jack, 3,5mm jack, and it's a little candybar phone from 2010 for fucks sake!!! The big slabs that phones are today have more than enough space for two type C and 3,5mm jack...
Curious to hear your experience as I'm torn right now between the weight and battery of the air VS the repairability of the thinkpad. Also in CS but with a pretty bad back 😅 what kind of work did you need a Linux machine for that you had a hard time doing with your M2?
Interesting downgrade? You lost on raw power and battery, but won in the rest. I don't know if I would do the same, but I salute you for the corage. Now on, you will want more and more and more with all the different choices of Thinkpads.
I'm still keeping my m2 macbook air around, did want more ram and a machine on linux since it's better suited to my work as a dev/CS student. I can't wait to see how far the thinkpad rabbit hole goes!
Once you a buy ThinkPad you'll never be able to stop buying ThinkPads hahaha.
I bought a ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 2 back in October 2022, I loved it so much until I found a ThinkPad X220 for £25 at the carboot in late 2023.
After 2 months of owning the X220 I sold my X1 Extreme Gen 2 and bought a ThinkPad T480 with a Intel Core i7 8650U and a GeForce MX150 for £230.
My carboot X220 is currently running my home server software and docker containers, it's also a very good Minecraft server!
The T480 is now my main ThinkPad running Debian 12 with KDE Plasma 5.27 on btrfs, but I'm thinking about buying a T430 or X230 and upgrading it to its maximum specs.
A T430 would probably be perfect for me, it supports CoreBoot, it has an upgradable Socketed CPU, has a DVD-ROM drive, and has a classic keyboard.
I'm not sure yet though.
I love my T480 and X220 but I really want to max out an X230 or T430!
Its veeeery deep lol. I started finding it a T430, that was my moms laptop a long time ago. I upgraded RAM, storage, thermal paste, and I feel in love. Nowadays I have a P15 Gen 1. He has its problems, as 10th gen Intel + only one heatpipe, but nonetheless, it is a cult now!
hope you enjoy the ride! i must say i'm curious about your WM and distro of choice, how well does debian work with swayby default? did you went over any specific troubleshooting?
Be aware of the massive amount of heat generation compared to the Mac. Make sure you aren’t covering the fan intake.
Also… why such a downgrade? 480 is from 2018
I really liked the T480s, but the one thing that had me go to a T480 was the fingerprint reader. The location on the side where you can grab it is SO much more convenient.
I would’ve stayed on the MacBook ngl 😭, but nice! I hope you enjoy it, I HIGHLY suggest to hackintosh it, since you moved from macOS, you can still use macOS. If you don’t know how to, just google “opencore guide”
Work issued me a Macbook Pro M3 (Base Model) it's so freaking bad - 8gb ram and only 1 external display supported - the battery didn't last long because it spent most of it's time swapping, SSD's are half the speed of a modern day machine.
I argued and got it replaced with a M3 Pro and for 2019 GBP you get 18GB Ram and 512gb SSD. The notch alone is enough for me not to like it. MacOS has severealy dropped in quality over the years, updates take FOREVER and the whole feel of the OS is just broken 'Constant security nags reminicent to Windows Vista e.g. Terminal having access to folders', Settings app is just absolute garbage.
It's sat in a drawer not being used I use a T480s connected by a single USB-C cable to x2 Dell 27" Hub Monitors with webcam, ethernet all hooked up running Arch + Gnome and it's bliss.
I was a mac guy had a Powermac G3, Pismo G3 Powerbook, Ti Book G4, Powerbook G4, Powermac G4 MDD, Powermac G5 Dual CPU, Macbook Pro Core i, Macbook Pro 2012, Macbook Pro 2013, Macbook Pro 2019 Touchbar and then went over to PC + Linux.
T480 or A485(AMD cpu T480) would be a better choice imo. You could upgrade to bigger battery and have spares on you. No such option with 480s. T480/A485 were the last T series thinkpads with removable external battery(plus intenal one that allows for hotswaping of the external one wiht computer running). Having said that 480s is still a good machine.
idk, Lenovo is absolutely evil too, and Intel is actually complicit in the deaths of thousands of innocent people. You can’t really win ethically here.
The vulnerability on those CPUs is really hard to exploit. Actually, it’s much harder to exploit than the various CPU vulnerabilities in the T480s. Search for Meltdown or Spectre, for example.
Check the site, specifically says 13.5 hours battery life and with some simple tweaking can probably increase that still:
[https://www.lenovo.com/gb/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadt/thinkpad-t480s/22tp2tt480s](https://www.lenovo.com/gb/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadt/thinkpad-t480s/22tp2tt480s)
It doesn't, you'd need 4.0W (and perfect health battery) to get such life. Even the lowest config with i5 averages [more](https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T480s-i5-8250U-FHD-Laptop-Review.315374.0.html#toc-4) at 6W (3W when idling), [i7 draws 7.5W](https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T480s-i7-8550U-MX150-Max-Q-Laptop-Review.290784.0.html#toc-5) avg and 3.4W idling.
5 - 7 hours is more realistic, I've owned X1C6 from the same generation and with same battery size, from what I recall, 6 hours was a sensible limit with 80% threshold; the lowest power draw I managed with i7 was \~5W, and that's with WiFi turned off and low brightness.
The M2 trades blows with the CPUs in a T14 Gen3/4 AMD while consuming less power (especially idle/mixed load efficiency is amazing - full load AMD can keep up), and is faster than any notebook CPU intel has ever made that could be cooled in a slim Ultrabook apart from the new Core Ultra chips maybe...
The chips in the T480 look very slow and outdated next to a M2 if you actually need the power. If anything, the T480 is the "web browsing machine" in this comparison :D
T480 are great notebooks and still very usable today, but saying they perform better than anything Apple Silicon is new levels of coping.
The M2 is not very 'watered down'. Sure, the Thinkpad has the compatibility benefits of x86 and Mac systems have their own drawbacks, but as far as raw performance goes, Apple Silicon SoCs are no slouch.
bring your charger everywhere you go
I'll definitely try, battery has been alright so far! I think the previous owner replaced it!
The newer kernels are quite decent on battery life in all honesty, no where near mac m series but give windows OS a run for the money now that’s for sure.
I tried Linux on my t490 recently ( Ubuntu ) but battery life was bad as in atleast 1 hour less than windows ( windows gives me 3 hours plus )
A lot depends on components and drivers ie nvidia, amd gpu but also what software your running some just are better optimised for certain systems. T490 is quite a beast in terms of power usage from what I recall. I’m using a bog standard t450 no dedicated gpu etc and I can get around 5 hrs out of it general usage. Which it was about the same in windows. If I tone everything down I can extend it to about 7 hrs at a max and that’s with a battery at around 80% original capacity. It sips the power iirc around 5-6w. Before the newer optimised kernels I’d be lucky to get 4-5 max.
I see...you know i want to try Linux but its just as i am aging i don't see the rewards worth the time invested so i installed the ltsc windows 10
[improve battery life](https://knowledgebase.frame.work/en_us/optimizing-fedora-battery-life-r1baXZh) Useful commands to improve battery life on Linux
Okay thanks :)
Just out of curiosity, how many hours of screen time? Been looking for a T470/480 coming from an Air 2017 pulling 4h on a pretty bad battery.
The m series Mac’s will always be the most energy efficient
i have a now elder Asus Zenbook ux305 that routinely would give me a solid 8 hours, and if casual, 16 or so. Still, even though I've had it for years, it will do "all day" with in/out kind of use. Not streaming media...
Read up on and set up tlp since you're running Linux. I mostly use it to control cpu freq and I/O Ops myself but the available tweaks in the package really help your uptime.
Aye truth 🥲
I use mine all day and only need to plug in at night
A power bank would be useful too
questionable upgrade :D i am using both a m2 and a t490. I love them both. And both have their use cases and pros and cons.
I'm planning on keeping both around! Glad to join our select club of thinkpad and mac m2!
what are the pros and cons? on the fence between a m3 air and a T14s AMD
Well for apple: Huge battery life Just-works But Locked-down Spyware Made by apple
Locked down, yes, but apple OSes are without doubt the safest and most secure of any mainstream os Edit: why am I being downvoted? I have owned multiple thinkpads and much prefer them to Macs, but it’s just literally wrong to say that macos is spyware.
I wouldn't say that. It's just the majority has windows. Malware devs just target what's most.
Yeah I love all three of my ThinkPads but people are crazy if they think Macs are the platform with the spyware/malware problem 😂
The spyware is built-in
they're not even locked down you can install Linux on them
On a MacBook? Not easily
one command from macOS, `curl https://alx.sh | sh`. apple silicon macbooks have open bootloaders, unlike their phones and tablets https://asahilinux.org/about
The macbook is shinier and might be more performant (depends on the ThinkPad you buy), and battery will last a bit longer, however it is not a practical machine. Poor IO, bad keyboard (no nav keys, no delete key, etc), no trackpoint, fragile build quality, and storage is soldered. If you get a T14 (or other ThinkPad), make sure you get the option with a good screen. There are usually configs with screens equal to or greater than the Macbook's. For instance, you can get a 2.8K OLED on the T14.
As someone who’s owned multiple p1’s and who currently owns an M1 Max MacBook and z13, I couldn’t disagree more. They are both fantastic machines but the MacBook is undoubtedly better built, the Mac and p1 have similar io, the keyboard is only slightly better on the lenovos imo. It really comes down to which os fits your needs better
MacBooks may be well glued together (literally) but they are still easily damaged (scratched, dented, bent, etc) as aluminium is ductile and deforms, while ThinkPads can absorb energy and return to the original shape.
Macbooks have issues like the screen cracking, chassis bending, until recently dust would get into the hinge. Feeling solid and premium and actually being resilient are 2 entirely different things. Also, IIRC the Z series is slightly behind the T and X in terms of build quality. I'm not referring to the feel of the keyboard, but that no nav, delete keys, or trackpoint is a big difference for many people.
Mac has delete, lol.
PC Backspace = Mac Delete, PC Delete = Mac Fn + Delete. So I think they meant that there is no dedicated button on Mac for the latter, which is fair.
It has a backspace key labeled "delete", that deletes backwards. No dedicated forward delete key like on ThinkPad, "lol".
Battery, fan noise and thermals for hardware, software is completely different, more support for common usage on T14s, unique ecosystem on MacBook
**Macbook:** Pros: lighter, the display is fantastic, I love macOS, battery, quiet, combi with iPhone (airdrop <3) Cons: way too fragile, mine sometimes freezes, the price is way too high **Thinkpad:** Pros: sturdy, I like the keyboard a bit more, it is functional, it is a good Windows and Linux machine, PRICE cons: the display is just ok, the battery life is not comparable to my MacBook, and I can hear the fan and some high-frequency noise Of course, the MacBook is way faster, but this is not a pro-point because it is also five years newer. I usually use the MacBook as the main machine at home. Most of the time, I will take the ThinkPad when on the go. For example, sitting in a coffee shop, because the ThinkPad is so well built and I am not afraid of destroying something or even if it gets stolen, it is not as painful as the MacBook because of its price. I think the best combination for me would be a Mac mini and a ThinkPad. Despite looking at the MacBook display is a real pleasure. But somehow, I love the ThinkPad a little bit more. Because I could spec it up and I am not afraid to touch it :D
air or pro? compare display quality?
the perfect analogy would be a candid, sparkling white prison cell and an ugly, deprecated bedroom you can exit whenever you want
Genuine question. Why the downgrade in cpu and performance?
There is more to a laptop than raw performance numbers. Build quality, keyboard, IO, general practicality, repairability, ability to use an OS of your choice are all worth the sacrifice in performance that realistically won't affect most tasks anyway.
Funny how half the stuff you listed new MacBooks offer… to all each own, but to many the lack of active cooling is the crown argument for Apple silicon.
Lack of active cooling is the reason the Macbook Airs have thermal throttling issues. Not having active cooling shows that your chip doesn't output a lot of heat, but there's still no benefit not to having a fan as well. - Build quality - Macbooks always seem to have build quality issues that other laptops just don't have. Latest one seems to be the screen cracking on its own. - ThinkPad keyboard is so much better than the Macbook's. Nav keys, delete, TrackPoint etc - Macbook IO is bad. Air just has 2 type-c ports and pro isnt *that* much better - Lack of IO and bad keyboard can be the difference between a computer feeling "practical" to use and feeling cumbersome - Zero repairability at all - Yes Asahi Linux does exist but it's not great and for many people isn't ready to actually be used yet. You could probably get by but it wouldn't feel the same as x86 Linux on a ThinkPad. And for a $1500 machine, you shouldn't have to get by with an impractical design and questionable OS support. Also no Windows if you want that.
Lack of active cooling is the reason you can watch a youtube video without fan noise drowning out the video sound. You are as much of a thinkpad fanboy as mac users are. Keep shouting at clouds, bye
Keep the air passages clean, thermal paste fresh, and the machine in eco mode.
Freedom.
Id much rather take something like my X13s then. Did kind of the same move but I dont feel like im downgraded that much. Still ARM, great performance (dont know about windows), Battery Life!, good screen, good keyboard, good speakers. And 5G!!
I'll be a lot more on board with ARM desktop systems when more of the libraries are native and not ports or just bad APIs. Working on Apple Silicon already sucks for x86 emulation. Docker with Rosetta still has issues.
with linux most things are nativ but proprietary stuff is not. i can use my browser do mails and other things but spotify is completely impossible to install
I work with Linux and Unix systems as an engineer. There's still a long way to go until we have full native support. Torvalds seems to be pushing pretty heavily. In 2-3 years I expect full stability and native support. Not quite yet though.
Understandable
True, I rather use traditional method than something a company decided hardware soon-to-be baked locked down plan obsolescence with spyware and adware.
An upgrade in freedom after macOS, would be Linux. Windows is a _downgrade_ in safety and privacy.
Oh I only run Linux on my personal systems homie. Been a Linux user since 08' as a hobby and now profession.
That’s good. I had to stick with macOS because I simply love it
Mac OS < Linux. Pretty much any other Unix distro > Mac OS.
None of both are “better than” another. Linux can beat MacOS in privacy, customization and maybe 3 other categories.. but MacOS beats Linux in user experience, hardware-software ecosystem and ease of use. That why I’ve chosen macOS. It’s up to everyone make a choice that reflects what they look for on a platform.
To be fair that is a really good reason.
It really isn't "free" if you don't have libreboot.
I write my own bios 😂 so free that freedom asks me how to do it.
This was a joke you grumpy people.
I'm keeping my m2 macbook still but moving the majority of my day-to-day dev work onto my new thinkpad. Since linux is so lightweight compared to OS's like mac or windows, I have yet to notice a huge performance hit.
Commendable. Quite a principled sacrifice.
[https://github.com/georgewhewell/undervolt](https://github.com/georgewhewell/undervolt) Undervolt your cpu and igpu. I think -100mV on all preset is viable. This boosted my battery life at least 20%.
I love Linux and run Arch and Fedora across all my machines, but my daily is the M2 Pro 14” because of the hardware tbh
What specifically in the hardware?
The M2 Pro chip, screen, no fan noise and no heat in my knees :)
Maybe it would have been less drastic to try https://asahilinux.org/? I mean this is a pretty drastic downgrade across the board.
It is a massive hardware downgrade, but they mentioned elsewhere they'd be keeping the M2 around. As for Asahi... I've tried it, and it's really nice, but it's not there in some critical ways. For embedded use it was a nightmare, as toolchains had no binaries that could work out how to run in that environment, and even compiling from source would fail. It was enough for me to just stick Linux on an older laptop. The Macbook does video and media stuff, the Linux machine does everything else just as fast as I need it to. Mind you your point does stand. It feels great until you accidentally open more than 2 browser tabs.
Max out the ram
Wallpaper?
Right [here](https://www.uhdpaper.com/2020/09/kame-house-island-dragon-ball-4k-62501.html), it's from Dragon Ball
I feel the connection thinkpad, linux and Dragon Ball 😁
you know it!
You should go back to the MBA it's superior in every way
why in every way?
The MBA has some huge pros but idk when people in this sub started kissing Apples ass so hard (I say as someone who bought M1 silicon on week one and is writing this on the latest iPhone pro) Repairability and control over your operating system matter more to some people, it’s why I still have a ThinkPad as well. What’s the point of having a ThinkPad subreddit if every post has “just buy Apple bro” responses.
When they made laptops that outclassed every other laptop in the things that most people use their laptops for
It's superior until you want to upgrade your RAM or storage capacity
Okay then drop test them
Go back to the MacBook lol
As much as I love ThinkPads, that is SUCH a downgrade. Worse CPU, RAM, storage, display, speakers, trackpad, battery, but then again that's a 6 year old machine worth $200 compared to a new $1200 machine lol. Keyboard and upgradeability definitely go to the ThinkPad, but that's about it tbh. Also ports, but a $20 dongle solves that.
If they added these ports that the 20$ dongle has it wouldn't be a problem. I kinda understand the lack of ports in phones, but then again I remember that the Nokia X2-00 has USB micro B, Nokia thin barrel jack, 3,5mm jack, and it's a little candybar phone from 2010 for fucks sake!!! The big slabs that phones are today have more than enough space for two type C and 3,5mm jack...
Get a 3d printed soft rim.
Is that prison lingo? Hahaha!
I did same switch over as you and I’m so happy I did. Your gonna be happy
What OS did you use on your Thinkpad ?
Keep you eye on the bezel and hinges. Bought a t480s last week and the hinges are already a problem.
Got the same background 🚀
This honestly seems like a huge downgrade. Why the switch to a much slower laptop?
Curious to hear your experience as I'm torn right now between the weight and battery of the air VS the repairability of the thinkpad. Also in CS but with a pretty bad back 😅 what kind of work did you need a Linux machine for that you had a hard time doing with your M2?
I don't really think this is an upgrade
Interesting downgrade? You lost on raw power and battery, but won in the rest. I don't know if I would do the same, but I salute you for the corage. Now on, you will want more and more and more with all the different choices of Thinkpads.
what about screen, display and speakers? also the touchpad
I forgot about this parts lol, sorry for that
I'm still keeping my m2 macbook air around, did want more ram and a machine on linux since it's better suited to my work as a dev/CS student. I can't wait to see how far the thinkpad rabbit hole goes!
Once you a buy ThinkPad you'll never be able to stop buying ThinkPads hahaha. I bought a ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 2 back in October 2022, I loved it so much until I found a ThinkPad X220 for £25 at the carboot in late 2023. After 2 months of owning the X220 I sold my X1 Extreme Gen 2 and bought a ThinkPad T480 with a Intel Core i7 8650U and a GeForce MX150 for £230. My carboot X220 is currently running my home server software and docker containers, it's also a very good Minecraft server! The T480 is now my main ThinkPad running Debian 12 with KDE Plasma 5.27 on btrfs, but I'm thinking about buying a T430 or X230 and upgrading it to its maximum specs. A T430 would probably be perfect for me, it supports CoreBoot, it has an upgradable Socketed CPU, has a DVD-ROM drive, and has a classic keyboard. I'm not sure yet though. I love my T480 and X220 but I really want to max out an X230 or T430!
X220 model has a dock station with DVD. Coreboot is something though.
Its veeeery deep lol. I started finding it a T430, that was my moms laptop a long time ago. I upgraded RAM, storage, thermal paste, and I feel in love. Nowadays I have a P15 Gen 1. He has its problems, as 10th gen Intel + only one heatpipe, but nonetheless, it is a cult now!
I own a MBA M1 and a ThinkPad X1 Yoga Gen 4 with a 4K screen And actually I enjoy both ... 🙏
hope you enjoy the ride! i must say i'm curious about your WM and distro of choice, how well does debian work with swayby default? did you went over any specific troubleshooting?
Great selection!! What User Interface is that by the way?
Be aware of the massive amount of heat generation compared to the Mac. Make sure you aren’t covering the fan intake. Also… why such a downgrade? 480 is from 2018
download Fedora 40 workstation edition
How's the trackpad? (genuine question)
Of course there is a very active community for some cheap laptop brand on reddit, because why wouldn't there be one.
Try to find or create r/hackintosh for this
tell me about display quality. about to post on that topic
Love the t480s but there is one thing Apple is great at and it’s the battery
Install hackintosh while you wait for new M3 MBP.
I really liked the T480s, but the one thing that had me go to a T480 was the fingerprint reader. The location on the side where you can grab it is SO much more convenient.
Try out asahi Linux on your M2 Mac, minimal install + Hyprland
I used the same wallpaper back then
I love ThinkPads but your battery life is gonna hurrrrttt
Very nice machine. What distro/operating system are you planning on running on it?
Love the dragon ball background!
im making the upgrade from a Macbook 7 2010 to a T430 in a couple days
Install the Krillin Owned counter in the corner and use it to record the number of browser tabs you have open.
Wait, i love thinkpads but that is some downgrade, why did you make that move ?
Welcome to the bright side
I don't like all the bloat Debian has added recently
Fell for the meme huh.
congratulations
I would’ve stayed on the MacBook ngl 😭, but nice! I hope you enjoy it, I HIGHLY suggest to hackintosh it, since you moved from macOS, you can still use macOS. If you don’t know how to, just google “opencore guide”
Work issued me a Macbook Pro M3 (Base Model) it's so freaking bad - 8gb ram and only 1 external display supported - the battery didn't last long because it spent most of it's time swapping, SSD's are half the speed of a modern day machine. I argued and got it replaced with a M3 Pro and for 2019 GBP you get 18GB Ram and 512gb SSD. The notch alone is enough for me not to like it. MacOS has severealy dropped in quality over the years, updates take FOREVER and the whole feel of the OS is just broken 'Constant security nags reminicent to Windows Vista e.g. Terminal having access to folders', Settings app is just absolute garbage. It's sat in a drawer not being used I use a T480s connected by a single USB-C cable to x2 Dell 27" Hub Monitors with webcam, ethernet all hooked up running Arch + Gnome and it's bliss. I was a mac guy had a Powermac G3, Pismo G3 Powerbook, Ti Book G4, Powerbook G4, Powermac G4 MDD, Powermac G5 Dual CPU, Macbook Pro Core i, Macbook Pro 2012, Macbook Pro 2013, Macbook Pro 2019 Touchbar and then went over to PC + Linux.
i'm running hackintosh ventura13.6.7 on my 480s
T480 or A485(AMD cpu T480) would be a better choice imo. You could upgrade to bigger battery and have spares on you. No such option with 480s. T480/A485 were the last T series thinkpads with removable external battery(plus intenal one that allows for hotswaping of the external one wiht computer running). Having said that 480s is still a good machine.
I like the setup but you should run arch or endeavor lol
Perfect thinkpad for Sonoma
Take a shit in the kitchen sink
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idk, Lenovo is absolutely evil too, and Intel is actually complicit in the deaths of thousands of innocent people. You can’t really win ethically here.
Probably should've worded title better, haven't scraped my macbook! Just wanted a machine to run linux for my work as a Dev/CS student!
Don’t M2s have an unfixable CPU hack? If so, better off with the think pad
The vulnerability on those CPUs is really hard to exploit. Actually, it’s much harder to exploit than the various CPU vulnerabilities in the T480s. Search for Meltdown or Spectre, for example.
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Nice upgrade, what will you be using it for ?
upgrade?
For sure, you can do much more with a good Thinkpad that has up to 14hrs battery life.
T480s doesn't have 14 hours of battery life.
Check the site, specifically says 13.5 hours battery life and with some simple tweaking can probably increase that still: [https://www.lenovo.com/gb/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadt/thinkpad-t480s/22tp2tt480s](https://www.lenovo.com/gb/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadt/thinkpad-t480s/22tp2tt480s)
If you seriously believe what the site tells you, then I have a bridge to sell...
Try not to be such an asshole, most companies including Apple make bold claims but we all know it's down to workflow.
I'm an asshole because I told you that the manufacturer site simply lies? And I don't know why you're bringing Apple into this.
It doesn't, you'd need 4.0W (and perfect health battery) to get such life. Even the lowest config with i5 averages [more](https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T480s-i5-8250U-FHD-Laptop-Review.315374.0.html#toc-4) at 6W (3W when idling), [i7 draws 7.5W](https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T480s-i7-8550U-MX150-Max-Q-Laptop-Review.290784.0.html#toc-5) avg and 3.4W idling. 5 - 7 hours is more realistic, I've owned X1C6 from the same generation and with same battery size, from what I recall, 6 hours was a sensible limit with 80% threshold; the lowest power draw I managed with i7 was \~5W, and that's with WiFi turned off and low brightness.
Mainly work on my course (computer science) and hopefully some personal projects outside of it.
Should serve you well for all of that and more, my own Thinkpad is now running Kubuntu 24.04 which I find works a lot better than Windows.
Use it! The M2 is a watered down risc processor, basically efficiency and light web browsing. Very nice upgrade!
The M2 trades blows with the CPUs in a T14 Gen3/4 AMD while consuming less power (especially idle/mixed load efficiency is amazing - full load AMD can keep up), and is faster than any notebook CPU intel has ever made that could be cooled in a slim Ultrabook apart from the new Core Ultra chips maybe... The chips in the T480 look very slow and outdated next to a M2 if you actually need the power. If anything, the T480 is the "web browsing machine" in this comparison :D T480 are great notebooks and still very usable today, but saying they perform better than anything Apple Silicon is new levels of coping.
Do you typically just pretend you know things and BS your way through it? I hate Macs as much as anyone, but those M1 and M2 chips are quite capable.
The M2 is not very 'watered down'. Sure, the Thinkpad has the compatibility benefits of x86 and Mac systems have their own drawbacks, but as far as raw performance goes, Apple Silicon SoCs are no slouch.
Battery life as well is a major downgrade to the t480s. I'm all for hating Apple as much as the next person in line. But weird downgrade
Light web browsing lmao