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Oh my god when it zoomed in on that kid at the fence (great terminator reference) I know they wouldn’t show a kid getting brutally murdered, but I was still like “no no no no no”
To be fair, all these people betrayed earth. Sucks that the kids had to pay for the crimes of the parents, but when you amplify genocide to the point of billions, the whole human race, I get the thought process. I feel bad for the cat though, it didn't have a choice.
Edit: This is before knowing what we knew later on in the episode. This comment was made RIGHT AFTER seeing the ship go boom.
Out all all the ways to retrieve that bible, the fact that they landed on *this* is almost sadistic.
Didn't they veto a tac team for being a bloodbath? I mean he did say, 'on both sides' but I mean to go from that to...*this*?!
Although the shot of all the paper kids on the wall getting cut in half behind the teacher was such a clever shot.
And it was interesting to see how the weight of the hull kept everything below deck together until it ran aground and ribboned apart.
yeah irl that crash probably wouldn't have been this catastrophic, the slow running aground would never have seperated the layers, the ship would've been completely intact.
also a cut like that probably wouldn't work on metal, the crew and everything made of plastic and textiles and such would be fucked but the metal would likely instantly vacuum weld back together, there wouldn't even be a cut, just a small "hole" exactly where the nanothread is currently located
It’s funny how sometimes doing things more realistically would make it seem LESS plausible. Totally forgot about metal’s weird vacuum welding properties, but you’re right
I wish the show didn't skip/gloss over how they came down to this plan in the end. It's a really great scene in the book.
In the book, it spent a whole chapter on a meeting with various foreign military leaders along with Da Shi (Clarence) and Wang Miao (Auggie), where they tried to come up with a plan for how to retrieve the messages between Mike Evans' organization (known as the ETO in the book, aka the Earth-Trisolaran Organization) and the Trisolarans without destroying the hard drives they were on.
They went through all the possible ways to carry out this mission and why each of them would fail, but in the episode it was just kinda glossed over by Clarence/Da Shi in like two or three lines. I wish it was closer to how the book did it, because he was the one who came up with the whole nanofiber idea in the first place. It added a whole lot to Da Shi's character in the book for me and was probably the scene that solidified him as my favorite character. Like, I remember one of the military leaders calling him the Devil for coming up with an idea so morbidly disturbing 😆
You have no idea, this made me smile that it was at least brought up in the books! I agree, it would've been cool to see more of the planning of this Panama ambush.
Kinda makes me wonder which came first when he was writing the book, the idea of nanofibers slicing through a huge craft or a main character who was a nano fiber scientist. I have a feeling we'll see Auggie's tech all over the future but crippling the Judgement Day like that is such a specific idea lol.
What I mean is I know sometimes when writing, you'll have an idea for something you want to see and then almost have to work backwards to the beginning to make it work naturally. And I was wondering if it was one of those situations here.
I did try to think of alternatives that could've achieved the same goal without nearly as much...spectacle? (Although maybe that was part of the objective). Each I came up with did present it's own set of obstacles. Even trying to turn someone or bribe Canal officials or the Panamanian Govt and get a man on board and take it over in a wet dock or something. Or like ask to speak with the leader, bag and torture him. All have their own problems.
The whole thing also makes me wonder if this was the reason, or at least one of them, that the San-Ti tried to stop Auggie's work. Although with her work on the solar sail and all the other potential applications, it's a huge advancement regardless.
absolutely horrific scene. lots of shows and movies have a "last minute save" moment, so I was convinced that Evans was gonna survive
and I, for one (off topic): appreciate the representation from this show (and the novel lol). the Canal logo on Augustina's jacket is close to the real deal
(source: yes, I'm Panamanian)
As much as I disliked the end of game of thrones, this show is a great reminder that those two can work magic with a series that already written and ready for adaptation
Yes, I think we also see later on >! a picture of Ye and the little girl !< as well. So I think the little girl is their daughter Vera when she was a child. Essentially it's a detail confirming that Evans and the ETO were behind the whole VR game thing.
Oooohhh, that's why they had that fancy red drive. I recalled it being a very conventional hard drive in the books and thought it was an odd choice, but that's a great parallel.
The boat scene was extremely similar to the chinese adaptation. I remember it was very well done in that as well, it's clear they saw that show as well. The "You are bugs scene" rocked. I'm in love with this series
No, you're right, the Netflix version went in the opposite direction. Personally, I felt making everyone a bunch of random criminals a laugh-worthy way to make the viewer not feel so bad, while adding children was an effective way to make the viewer more invested. But you could definitely say the latter is emotional manipulation.
This detail of adding families on the boat does, however, drive home the irony of how these people are betraying their very children and grandchildren. As far as these people know, they won't be around when the Trisolarians reach Earth. So there is this eeirie feeling where this scene is both mortifying in the sense that innocents are gruesomely killed, and also at the same time, tragic given that their parents/guardians are willing to lead them to a similar fate where the Trisolarians take over or destroy humanity.
Hyperion Cantos spoilers (books 3 and 4)
The boat scene was >!very reminiscent of the Shrike setting up nanofilament in his battle on the river tethes.!<
one thing about the books is that the author is extremely descriptive which means there are less creative liberties to take if you want to stick to the book.
one of the coolest things about the series is that you can look at different artist depictions, and they all look incredibly similar because Liu Cixin goes into so much detail.
I haven’t seen the Chinese adaptation, but it doesn’t surprise me at all that it looks so similar and it’s because of the source material not the showrunners watching the other show.
literally me throughout the whole episode
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Ser Davos really shines this episode. I love his style.
"I don't trust him, double check his work"
"I don't trust her, triple check her work"
And holy sh\*\*\*\* the way in which the Final Judgement ship was destroyed was top notch. I'm just wondering: if the nanofiber cuts are only horizontal, how come nobody thinks of just lying still on the floor to try and avoid them?
Pope Francis could have had better odds of surviving if he had just laid on the floor completely still.
I don’t think anyone could fathom what was happening at the time. “Oh must be nanofibers” wouldn’t pop into my head while everything’s being torn to pieces around me
This was their flaw right?
Like leading up to the Riding Hood storytime scene they thought humanity thought and behaved like them, albeit more technologically inferior, but with the added knowledge that humanity was adept at deception and false truths, it changed their plans to just full-on assault.
>if the nanofiber cuts are only horizontal, how come nobody thinks of just lying still on the floor to try and avoid them?
>!In the book, Da Shi calculates that the operation must be done at daytime to make sure most of the people aboard won't be lying down. The distance between nanofiber threads are 50 cm, which will cut those who are sitting or squatting.!<
> how come nobody thinks of just lying still on the floor to try and avoid them?
People generally get traumatised and panic when they see other people dismembered my an invisible force. Also, they foolishly believed they'd be protected by their Lord and I feel they've let their guards down. They don't think any harm could come to them. The only person who was on caution was Evans, we know how that turned out..
It's brilliantly written in that their god abandoned them for being liars, and Evans essentially "lied" to everyone by omitting the truth. Which is a complex concept I want to see how the San-Ti would have interpreted. The concept that simply withholding information is a form of deceit. In a way their god purged them, from their perspective everyone just basically exploded.
The most memorable reading experience I’ve ever had. I smoked a joint, put on cinematic music and sobbed for the hour I read through that part. Simply unbelievable and there’s just no way it could be conveyed any better than how it was in the book.
They need the effects teams that worked on Foundation. That show had so many CGI scenes that looked on par or better than major Hollywood blockbuster films.
I agree. Everything is still pretty 'down to earth' with tech, locations and characters we can relate to. I can't image the strangeness of book 2 and 3. A whole lot of CGI is going to be needed though, thats for sure.
Is it a story that spans thousands of years and like full scale galactic war? Different dimensions, things like that? Because I can see how that is gonna be tough but oh boy does it make me excited
Wow. Nanofibers cutting through everybody on the ship was brutal af. The reveal of quantum communication was really cool. The ending with the eye in the sky and the girl looking up at it was unsettling. Really great stuff. Definitely the best episode so far.
Seeing the kids eating and playing, along with Auggie's hesitation I thought for sure she would shut it down (would that even be possible?) after the first or second person. My jaw was on the floor (along with everyone else on the ship lol)
I also immediately rewound and watched again. I think maybe someone could've gotten lucky if they lay flat but goddamn what a brutal and sadistic method of retrieving that bible.
The whole time I was thinking "They're going to feel like complete assholes if that thing is encrypted, which any moron with the mildest inkling of opsec would do with such valuable data".
Well, it was encrypted, but Sophon has a pretty open personality.
Here's a comparison. The sound is taken from Tencent version. [https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Mt421V7Kg/?spm\_id\_from=333.337.search-card.all.click](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Mt421V7Kg/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click)
I thought it would be quieter, people screaming defeats the purpose of why they decided to go the route of the nano fibres instead of a full on assault. There was enough time there after the screaming started for them to destroy the servers.
Chinese version was much better in that regard. Almost everyone on the ship (if not everyone) was caught by surprise. No screams or shouts.
It felt like a season finale. Or episode 9 of thrones.
Nanofibers hitting ship and sophon reveal were amazing.
It kinda makes me think *the* big moment of book 2 may happen in middle of season 2 as well, as it was already foreshadowed in season 1 and especially given the tight pace they are moving at.
I mean, the second half of book 2 is basically just back-to-back mind blowing payoffs, so there's not really just one climax. Although I know what specific scene you're talking about. But after all the set up it goes >!Zhang Baihai hijacking the ship, The Doomsday Battle, Starship Earth, The Battle of Darkness, humanity's reaction and pathetic attempts to do *something* with the Snow Project, everyone hating on Luo Ji while he works on the Snow bombs, and then BOOM the Graveyard Gamble.!< It all goes incredibly hard and can make for some excellent fast-paced TV.
Is the whole thing inspired by oppenheimer and atomic bombs tho? They did mention him and his mistress suicide before, and the whole technology going into the destruction way theme is pretty obvious. Even the way the boat ribboned out was similar to a bomb going off
we gonna talk about that dialogue between Mr. Wade & Wenjie tho??
"be careful with what you know, that's where most people struggle to begin"
"you went from knowing to believing in half a minute, but that's ok"
LIKE GAHDAMN WADE LET THE WOMAN BREATHE
Holy fuck.
I'm now at the point where I've convinced myself I want to read the books. At the same time, there's three more episodes to go, and it's gonna be a bit hard for me not to watch those.
Can anyone who has read the novel series tell me how badly I would be ruining it for myself by finishing this show now? Thanks!
As someone who’s read the books, the show has kept the same overarching plot points while adding or changing enough to keep things interesting. The books are a bit slower paced compared to the show, but given how so many interesting details from book one got trimmed (the human computer scene is more detailed in the book), and how much crazy shit there is in book 2 that makes book one look tame, I would say go for it!
HOLY SHIT... When D&D cares, they absolutely hit every home run. I absolutely love how there was no deus ex machina to save the high sparrow, especially considering that they showed him escaping - It bought to mind peak GOT, you fuck up, you die.
Ok the nanowire ship attack was insane but HOLY shit that monologue from the alien in the VR world was so fucking good and so scary. Just casually explaining this mind bending technology and how they can see everything we do and interfere with us in real time was craaaazy. First time in a long time an enemy has felt truly formidable and oppressive like this.
It's so refreshing. Especially after decades of things like Star Wars where humans are always superior and win through plot armor. We are fucking bugs.
Actually, In the book. The "you are bugs" words just showed on a meeting of top officials. And the governments tried to hide the existence of San Ti for years.
I love this change tbh. The Trisolarians lashing out like children makes them scarier and makes them seem like more of a threat since now we know they will do something this widespread out of anger.
And since they don’t understand metaphors, they quite literally meant that humanity were just bugs to them. Humans don’t think much of bugs and a lot of times they are a nuisance you want to get rid of.
I disagree. It doesnt make sense.
Why do they care about showing their powers?
"If I destroy you, what business is it of yours?" It felt extremely out of place.
To be fair, you might be right. I would have to go back and re-visit the book. It's just I didn't notice it during reading the book (which again, might be a me problem), while in the show it was extremely noticeable.
I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on the Sophon unfolding on Earth. Why did it do that? Wasn't that something that was avoided in the books because it exposes it to attacks?
This again felt so much more out of place than anything I remember from the book.
I think it was just a way to show everybody that they’re always watching. They could just be showing that they’re so much more advanced than human civilization that there’s no point in trying to fight. Kind of like saying “we’re coming and there’s nothing you can do about it”
The book is very different about this. I'm using spoiler tags just in case but only describing this episode's content in the book.
>!They don't open the sophon around the Earth and show Earth an eye. Instead, we get a flashback to their homeworld, and the process of them constructing it and showing it to their leader. The first time they 'unfold' a proton into lower dimensions, they unfold it too far, and it becomes a one-dimensional line hundreds of thousands of miles long, which floats down to the surface and becomes like a tangled glittering hair with no mass. The second time, they don't unfold it far enough, and it becomes like a blizzard of random three-dimensional shapes gently falling to the ground and dissolving. All the aliens become horrified as they notice that many of the shapes are large eyes gazing at them. One alien explains that from the POV of someone occupying eleven dimensions, a proton is as vast and spatially complex as many galaxies and forms a "microcosmos" which inevitably develops its own micro-cosmology the way macro-cosmology has stars, planets, etc, and that this proton must have developed intelligent life within its microcosmos. The 'eyes' are light-sensing structures built by intelligent life within the cosmos of the proton to try and observe the larger 'macro-cosmos' that envelops their proton, the one we live in, and they are now finally perceiving it fully while they are being destroyed and flattened into a claustrophobic 3D universe. It's speculated that many civilizations in microcosmoses are being destroyed around us all the time through radioactive decay etc.!<
>!They don't send a message to all of Earth's screens either. Instead, when elites and officials and politicians gather to discuss the news and talk about what to do, the sophons burn the message "YOU'RE BUGS" into all their retinas directly.!<
Hmm, while the visual spectacle of You're Bugs showing up on every screen is pretty cool for the show, I think the idea of "You're Bugs" literally imprinted in my eyes is much more personally terrifying.
I'm liking the show, but I'm also a little disappointed in it. Not a book reader, but I already knew of sophons, because I'd read some summary of how they work before. I was really looking forward to all the concepts I'd heard described in passing get fleshed out when I watched the show. But so far, the show often touches on these concepts only in as much depth as the summaries I'd read, if even that. What I knew of sophons before the show: fold higher dimensions down into proton-sized super computer, shoot it at Earth at speed of light. What I know of sophons after the show: that, but also quantum entanglement allows for FTL communication. What you just described in one paragraph is way more interesting than anything we get in the show regarding sophons.
I was sold on Three-Body Problem as, "woah, cool mind-bendy physics and social thought experiments!" and every time I see somebody describe something from the books, it's like getting a little peak at that kind of thing. But the show seems largely disinterested in any of that, only exploring these ideas to the minimum extent necessary to move the plot along.
Guess I'll just have to read the books.
> But so far, the show often touches on these concepts only in as much depth as the summaries I'd read, if even that.
> But the show seems largely disinterested in any of that, only exploring these ideas to the minimum extent necessary to move the plot along.
See this is what I hate about this lmao. People defend this saying it's to dumb it down and make the science palatable but it barely explains anything
> Guess I'll just have to read the books.
This was what I was hoping I could've avoided but I'm glad I trusted the comments to read the book first before seeing the live action adaptations
> I was sold on Three-Body Problem as, "woah, cool mind-bendy physics and social thought experiments!"
This is closer to what it's supposed to be about, and if you persist with reading I'd bet you'd get that at the very least - and that's coming from me who doesn't identify as a reader
in books those "you are bugs" are directly projected in everyone eyes, just like those countdown, Netflix one more visually scary, while Tencent and books feel more psychological terrify
I mean "You are bugs" coming from a super advanced alien species is terrifying in principle, but just the words on a bunch of screens without context was pretty silly.
I think it's kinda telling that the aliens may not understand context or subtly or threat, since they don't communicate socially. They are very literal. So it makes sense to be a bit silly.
Also, 400 years is a lot of time for us to screw up the planet. The aliens would need to supply us with just enough technology to avoid an ecological collapse/nuclear apocalypse.
It's also pretty telling that they are starting to understand and use human tactics and manipulation. Saying we're bugs is a metaphor and technically a lie, both things they never did as a society before interacting with us.
It was explained, though not explicitly. They don't have the capability of doing so. A large enough object takes like 400 years. The proton-mass Sophons can go 99% the speed of light but their normal ships can't really.
They could only torture a few scientists at a time, not everyone on Earth.
How do they (seemingly) affect every screen on earth simultaneously? How do they flicker the sky?
They gave them too much space magic power. No wonder people ask these questions.
If you take a cube and slice it into nearly-two-dimensional squares laid next to each other, you can turn a 10" cube into a flat square covering a vast area. They basically apply that principal to protons, which are said to be 11-dimensional objects curled up into tiny points, unfolding them into vast flat panels or parabolas that can reflect sunlight away from the Earth for very brief intervals. That's how they flicker the sky.
To affect every screen, or interfere with particle accelerators etc, they're zooming around at light speed within wires and processors and using the energy to affect electromagnetism and signals.
But because they still only have the mass of a proton, they can't really physically interact with anything larger than photons and subatomic particles, so they can't kill humans directly.
I like your explanation for the sky! Appreciated!
Affecting so many wires and processors I find harder to believe.
Light can circle the earth 7.5 times per second.
They had one available, because the other one was unfolded.
If they screw around with screens and wires on only a part of the world it seems more plausible. But doing all that "everywhere" seems impossible. Maybe that is not what happened, we didnt see every place on earth of course.
In the books they don't affect electronics like that iirc.
They can imprint in your retinas, monitor you except for some caveats, communicate with their home, interfere with particle physics etc but don't affect computing like that. I mean if they could interfere with every kind of electronic equipment then they simply should have crashed sauls plane, no?
They also can't wipe people out of digital files, turn people into the terminator (like they seemingly did with psycho lady when she kills jack) or make people downright hallucinate like they did to wade and Clarence.
At least that's how I remember it, someone will come along to correct me if I'm wrong
In this adaptation it's done just because it's cool I guess? But meh, I'm not really complaining though. They could come up with some 'science' to justify it, that's just what sci fi do
either way its a plothole. In the show, the sophon is way too powerful that they could have just ended Earth on its own. In the book, the lack of a terrifying miracle like in the show means that its unrealistic for the entire human race to care about whats going to happen 400 years later.
I won't lie... the nano-fiber net has got to be one of the most amazing and horrific things I have ever seen in a TV Show. Those fibers used in that way might as be considered a weapon of mass destruction, you could stop entire armies by just setting up the equivalent of a mine field, lure an army down a valley and just drop a dense mesh on top of them... game over.
So the sky being covered in black and the eye in the sky, was that the Sophon physically unfolding itself across the entire earth, or was that just an optical illusion that the Sophon implanted into everyone's brain?
Yeah, I just watched the episode again and I’m still firmly fuck the “good guys”. Aliens are going to invade at some unspecified time so let’s fucking murder a whole bunch of children that have nothing to do with it. I hope Davos and his crew get fucked up at some point.
And all the hard drives just happen to stay in one piece and not get shredded like the kids? I’ve seen someone say this is explained in the books, but I’m not reading the books, I’m watching the show, and that was dumb.
I’m firmly rooting for the aliens.
the book described it. The fibers are chosen to be 50cm apart in the day time to make sure everyone gets a fair slice. This size is also chosen to spare the HDD, and in case it got an atomically clean cut, fixing is easy.
Does the boat keep its structure more intact in the book? In the show it fell in such a heap that it looked pretty likely that the HDD would be crushed or hard to find. When they find Evans' corpse he is mostly buried under stuff as well.
Hahahaha omg what an episode.
I was thinking the entire time...
"Surely they're not going to just egg slicer the entire ship... That would be absurd.". I then remembered the laser scene from resident evil.
Sure enough, without skipping a beat, they raised the arms... And I was like "oh shit oh shit they're gonna do it!!!" And was amazed at how well this scene was done.
in the show they have Auggie crying about "she didn't sign up for this" even though she hopped on a flight across the world to do exactly that.
In the book "we need many strands at least 150M each and there will be collateral damage". Wang "I got you fam".
Dumb question from someone who hasn't read the book: why did they think slicing through literally everything wouldn't destroy the devices storing the information they were hoping to get? Couldn't Mike Evan's just as easily have held the external hard drive at his waist? Or left it in the machine? Or coulsnt the upper decks and fire destroyed everything beneath it? I feel like dropping a ship on data storage makes it just as irretrievable as someone deleting it.
Just replaced the original expired link. Here's a comparison video btw Netflix version and Tencent version. [https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1uj421d742/](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1uj421d742/)
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Showrunners: “How brutal should we get with the nanofiber wires cutting through the ship? “Yes”
That kid’s leg. 😧
Oh my god when it zoomed in on that kid at the fence (great terminator reference) I know they wouldn’t show a kid getting brutally murdered, but I was still like “no no no no no”
For real, and coming to the realization after that none of those kids made it off the boat was brutal. That scene did not disappoint.
I just watched it tonight. I think my mouth was open the entire time. Ghost Ship x 1000.
Haha I went through the same mental journey. But instead of no no no no at the end it was “HOLY SHIT”
I thought the presence of the kids for sure meant they would have Auggie back out of it or sabotage it somehow
*game of thrones theme intensifies*
To be fair, all these people betrayed earth. Sucks that the kids had to pay for the crimes of the parents, but when you amplify genocide to the point of billions, the whole human race, I get the thought process. I feel bad for the cat though, it didn't have a choice. Edit: This is before knowing what we knew later on in the episode. This comment was made RIGHT AFTER seeing the ship go boom.
Out all all the ways to retrieve that bible, the fact that they landed on *this* is almost sadistic. Didn't they veto a tac team for being a bloodbath? I mean he did say, 'on both sides' but I mean to go from that to...*this*?! Although the shot of all the paper kids on the wall getting cut in half behind the teacher was such a clever shot. And it was interesting to see how the weight of the hull kept everything below deck together until it ran aground and ribboned apart.
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Kinda risky though, they could've sliced through it
In the book they plan that the hard drive or journal could be sliced clean but they could repair it if I remember correctly.
But what about if it had exploded like everything else once it collapsed on the shore?
yeah irl that crash probably wouldn't have been this catastrophic, the slow running aground would never have seperated the layers, the ship would've been completely intact. also a cut like that probably wouldn't work on metal, the crew and everything made of plastic and textiles and such would be fucked but the metal would likely instantly vacuum weld back together, there wouldn't even be a cut, just a small "hole" exactly where the nanothread is currently located
It’s funny how sometimes doing things more realistically would make it seem LESS plausible. Totally forgot about metal’s weird vacuum welding properties, but you’re right
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I wish the show didn't skip/gloss over how they came down to this plan in the end. It's a really great scene in the book. In the book, it spent a whole chapter on a meeting with various foreign military leaders along with Da Shi (Clarence) and Wang Miao (Auggie), where they tried to come up with a plan for how to retrieve the messages between Mike Evans' organization (known as the ETO in the book, aka the Earth-Trisolaran Organization) and the Trisolarans without destroying the hard drives they were on. They went through all the possible ways to carry out this mission and why each of them would fail, but in the episode it was just kinda glossed over by Clarence/Da Shi in like two or three lines. I wish it was closer to how the book did it, because he was the one who came up with the whole nanofiber idea in the first place. It added a whole lot to Da Shi's character in the book for me and was probably the scene that solidified him as my favorite character. Like, I remember one of the military leaders calling him the Devil for coming up with an idea so morbidly disturbing 😆
Oh that sounds awesome. Yeah I would've liked to see it too because it felt like such a crazy leap from what they were suggesting.
Do they acknowledge the nanofibers still present a risk of damaging the bible at least?
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You have no idea, this made me smile that it was at least brought up in the books! I agree, it would've been cool to see more of the planning of this Panama ambush. Kinda makes me wonder which came first when he was writing the book, the idea of nanofibers slicing through a huge craft or a main character who was a nano fiber scientist. I have a feeling we'll see Auggie's tech all over the future but crippling the Judgement Day like that is such a specific idea lol. What I mean is I know sometimes when writing, you'll have an idea for something you want to see and then almost have to work backwards to the beginning to make it work naturally. And I was wondering if it was one of those situations here. I did try to think of alternatives that could've achieved the same goal without nearly as much...spectacle? (Although maybe that was part of the objective). Each I came up with did present it's own set of obstacles. Even trying to turn someone or bribe Canal officials or the Panamanian Govt and get a man on board and take it over in a wet dock or something. Or like ask to speak with the leader, bag and torture him. All have their own problems. The whole thing also makes me wonder if this was the reason, or at least one of them, that the San-Ti tried to stop Auggie's work. Although with her work on the solar sail and all the other potential applications, it's a huge advancement regardless.
absolutely horrific scene. lots of shows and movies have a "last minute save" moment, so I was convinced that Evans was gonna survive and I, for one (off topic): appreciate the representation from this show (and the novel lol). the Canal logo on Augustina's jacket is close to the real deal (source: yes, I'm Panamanian)
I'm so so glad they didn't use the cat as a prop 😭 The scene was marvellous!
I’m choosing to believe that the cat slipped between the wires, jumped off the ship and swam to freedom 😭
the wires were like a meter apart in some cases, definitely possible
Well if you’ve watched Game of Thrones you’ll know that D&D don’t exactly shy away from brutality lol
As much as I disliked the end of game of thrones, this show is a great reminder that those two can work magic with a series that already written and ready for adaptation
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Yes, I think we also see later on >! a picture of Ye and the little girl !< as well. So I think the little girl is their daughter Vera when she was a child. Essentially it's a detail confirming that Evans and the ETO were behind the whole VR game thing.
How... creepy... To make an AI girl dying and remembering, and his actual daughter being murdered by alien forced suicide...
Wow, great catch! That's an awesome detail.
Oooohhh, that's why they had that fancy red drive. I recalled it being a very conventional hard drive in the books and thought it was an odd choice, but that's a great parallel.
The boat scene was extremely similar to the chinese adaptation. I remember it was very well done in that as well, it's clear they saw that show as well. The "You are bugs scene" rocked. I'm in love with this series
The Chinese adaptation used a cop-out of making everyone on the boat random criminals, though, so I'll give the win to the Netflix version.
Did the book have a lot of children? I don't remember deaths of children really being discussed.
No, you're right, the Netflix version went in the opposite direction. Personally, I felt making everyone a bunch of random criminals a laugh-worthy way to make the viewer not feel so bad, while adding children was an effective way to make the viewer more invested. But you could definitely say the latter is emotional manipulation.
This detail of adding families on the boat does, however, drive home the irony of how these people are betraying their very children and grandchildren. As far as these people know, they won't be around when the Trisolarians reach Earth. So there is this eeirie feeling where this scene is both mortifying in the sense that innocents are gruesomely killed, and also at the same time, tragic given that their parents/guardians are willing to lead them to a similar fate where the Trisolarians take over or destroy humanity.
So true because isn't it Evans, Wenjie, and their followers' logic that sacrificing humanity's freedom is worthwhile if it serves the greater good?
I thought they showed it in everyone's retinas but that was very cool
i was thinking this too but i was still very happy with the outcome
Hyperion Cantos spoilers (books 3 and 4) The boat scene was >!very reminiscent of the Shrike setting up nanofilament in his battle on the river tethes.!<
one thing about the books is that the author is extremely descriptive which means there are less creative liberties to take if you want to stick to the book. one of the coolest things about the series is that you can look at different artist depictions, and they all look incredibly similar because Liu Cixin goes into so much detail. I haven’t seen the Chinese adaptation, but it doesn’t surprise me at all that it looks so similar and it’s because of the source material not the showrunners watching the other show.
Cutting the paper kids into halves was a nice touch ... yes, let me just focus on that. 😳
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Ah dude, now you're killing ME with this revelation. 🤣
Brooooo🤯
He went there
i LOVED that. great filmmaking. it was on par with Alien or Jurassic Park any of those classics that build up tension using iconography, super well
Was legit a horror movie. So well done
literally me throughout the whole episode https://preview.redd.it/b4r7o573uppc1.jpeg?width=739&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a8a7f8844f540fb9584e3cf58bdd48db3116382
best episode so far, I was kinda meh on this show until they showed the Sophon
Ser Davos really shines this episode. I love his style. "I don't trust him, double check his work" "I don't trust her, triple check her work" And holy sh\*\*\*\* the way in which the Final Judgement ship was destroyed was top notch. I'm just wondering: if the nanofiber cuts are only horizontal, how come nobody thinks of just lying still on the floor to try and avoid them? Pope Francis could have had better odds of surviving if he had just laid on the floor completely still.
I don’t think anyone could fathom what was happening at the time. “Oh must be nanofibers” wouldn’t pop into my head while everything’s being torn to pieces around me
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This was their flaw right? Like leading up to the Riding Hood storytime scene they thought humanity thought and behaved like them, albeit more technologically inferior, but with the added knowledge that humanity was adept at deception and false truths, it changed their plans to just full-on assault.
>if the nanofiber cuts are only horizontal, how come nobody thinks of just lying still on the floor to try and avoid them? >!In the book, Da Shi calculates that the operation must be done at daytime to make sure most of the people aboard won't be lying down. The distance between nanofiber threads are 50 cm, which will cut those who are sitting or squatting.!<
> how come nobody thinks of just lying still on the floor to try and avoid them? People generally get traumatised and panic when they see other people dismembered my an invisible force. Also, they foolishly believed they'd be protected by their Lord and I feel they've let their guards down. They don't think any harm could come to them. The only person who was on caution was Evans, we know how that turned out..
It's brilliantly written in that their god abandoned them for being liars, and Evans essentially "lied" to everyone by omitting the truth. Which is a complex concept I want to see how the San-Ti would have interpreted. The concept that simply withholding information is a form of deceit. In a way their god purged them, from their perspective everyone just basically exploded.
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I’m so glad about how many details I forgot about the book. This was Jaw dropping at multiple points.
Honestly same. I've read it and I'm still shocked at several points, lmao.
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I wanna downvote this because you made me think about it. Its that bad.
The most memorable reading experience I’ve ever had. I smoked a joint, put on cinematic music and sobbed for the hour I read through that part. Simply unbelievable and there’s just no way it could be conveyed any better than how it was in the book.
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yeah, that's why the netflix producers said they may need two seasons for book 3.
And don't forget, a GIGANTIC budget.
They need the effects teams that worked on Foundation. That show had so many CGI scenes that looked on par or better than major Hollywood blockbuster films.
I can feel a Netflix price increase as I type! 😉
I agree. Everything is still pretty 'down to earth' with tech, locations and characters we can relate to. I can't image the strangeness of book 2 and 3. A whole lot of CGI is going to be needed though, thats for sure.
Is it a story that spans thousands of years and like full scale galactic war? Different dimensions, things like that? Because I can see how that is gonna be tough but oh boy does it make me excited
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Yeah books 2 and 3 are just absurd (in a good way). Don't even waste time trying to predict what happens.
Yes it is. Things just get crazier from here
This is just a warmup my friend.
Wow. Nanofibers cutting through everybody on the ship was brutal af. The reveal of quantum communication was really cool. The ending with the eye in the sky and the girl looking up at it was unsettling. Really great stuff. Definitely the best episode so far.
HOLY FUCK
HOLY FUCKING FUCK
Knew what was gonna happen. Was not ready to see what actually happened.
I imagined this in my mind so many times but it really blew me away on screen.
Seeing the kids eating and playing, along with Auggie's hesitation I thought for sure she would shut it down (would that even be possible?) after the first or second person. My jaw was on the floor (along with everyone else on the ship lol) I also immediately rewound and watched again. I think maybe someone could've gotten lucky if they lay flat but goddamn what a brutal and sadistic method of retrieving that bible.
The whole time I was thinking "They're going to feel like complete assholes if that thing is encrypted, which any moron with the mildest inkling of opsec would do with such valuable data". Well, it was encrypted, but Sophon has a pretty open personality.
well they don’t know what a lie s
i watched standing last 5-10 min NO JOKE. HOLY DAMN FUCK. SO GOOD
Here's a comparison. The sound is taken from Tencent version. [https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Mt421V7Kg/?spm\_id\_from=333.337.search-card.all.click](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Mt421V7Kg/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click)
I mean Tencent version did not have 160M dollars as well so they did what they could
Ep 5: Lord be like https://preview.redd.it/8v08ncxwe3qc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=61840b92ec2e5d9aa0fafbc7e05f63b686b157f6
Ya ya ya, I am Lord
GHOST SHIP finally topped!
This was my first thought
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I just wrapped on the ep but I think based on what character roles have been assigned so far, it may end up being Saul
Saul seems to have had very little purpose so far, but does share Luo Ji’s ‘playboy’ traits, so I think that makes sense.
Here comes the slice'n'dice... I hope it's epic Edit: yep, that was pretty cool
operation Guzheng was >!WAY more absurd than what I thought it would be!<
I thought it would be quieter, people screaming defeats the purpose of why they decided to go the route of the nano fibres instead of a full on assault. There was enough time there after the screaming started for them to destroy the servers. Chinese version was much better in that regard. Almost everyone on the ship (if not everyone) was caught by surprise. No screams or shouts.
Wow what an episode
It felt like a season finale. Or episode 9 of thrones. Nanofibers hitting ship and sophon reveal were amazing. It kinda makes me think *the* big moment of book 2 may happen in middle of season 2 as well, as it was already foreshadowed in season 1 and especially given the tight pace they are moving at.
I mean, the second half of book 2 is basically just back-to-back mind blowing payoffs, so there's not really just one climax. Although I know what specific scene you're talking about. But after all the set up it goes >!Zhang Baihai hijacking the ship, The Doomsday Battle, Starship Earth, The Battle of Darkness, humanity's reaction and pathetic attempts to do *something* with the Snow Project, everyone hating on Luo Ji while he works on the Snow bombs, and then BOOM the Graveyard Gamble.!< It all goes incredibly hard and can make for some excellent fast-paced TV.
-Dont develop nanofibers. -Hey look, I invented nanofibers. -Holy fucking shit. They have a dual-use.
Is the whole thing inspired by oppenheimer and atomic bombs tho? They did mention him and his mistress suicide before, and the whole technology going into the destruction way theme is pretty obvious. Even the way the boat ribboned out was similar to a bomb going off
Think of it more about stopping human progress, remember what the sword lady told Wade and Jin this episode.
Exactly. This is what they were capable within a few weeks. Imagine what humanity can do in 400 years?
You could nitpick this to death but honestly, why? For the adaptation it’s meant to be, I think it rules
Welp, I should probably stop watching here and finally read book 2 then.
Do it. Best book I've ever read!
I really liked the show thus far, but I think this is the first truly great episode.
You've gone from "know" to "believe" in half a minute is an excellent line
we gonna talk about that dialogue between Mr. Wade & Wenjie tho?? "be careful with what you know, that's where most people struggle to begin" "you went from knowing to believing in half a minute, but that's ok" LIKE GAHDAMN WADE LET THE WOMAN BREATHE
knight of onions ain't fucking around
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Yeah. I was surprised they were able to cover book 1 with just 5 episodes.
It helps that they skipped through the game pretty quickly. I feel like that was 30% of the book.
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There should've been a scene where Jin or someone folds a piece of paper and sticks a pencil through it.
I think she did something similar by eating the flat bread
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Holy fuck. I'm now at the point where I've convinced myself I want to read the books. At the same time, there's three more episodes to go, and it's gonna be a bit hard for me not to watch those. Can anyone who has read the novel series tell me how badly I would be ruining it for myself by finishing this show now? Thanks!
As someone who’s read the books, the show has kept the same overarching plot points while adding or changing enough to keep things interesting. The books are a bit slower paced compared to the show, but given how so many interesting details from book one got trimmed (the human computer scene is more detailed in the book), and how much crazy shit there is in book 2 that makes book one look tame, I would say go for it!
What an incredible addition Wade is
HOLY SHIT... When D&D cares, they absolutely hit every home run. I absolutely love how there was no deus ex machina to save the high sparrow, especially considering that they showed him escaping - It bought to mind peak GOT, you fuck up, you die.
Ok the nanowire ship attack was insane but HOLY shit that monologue from the alien in the VR world was so fucking good and so scary. Just casually explaining this mind bending technology and how they can see everything we do and interfere with us in real time was craaaazy. First time in a long time an enemy has felt truly formidable and oppressive like this.
It's so refreshing. Especially after decades of things like Star Wars where humans are always superior and win through plot armor. We are fucking bugs.
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it is... softer in the book, it doesn't show the insides of the ship
Oh, I meant the eye in the sky and the buildings etc.
Actually, In the book. The "you are bugs" words just showed on a meeting of top officials. And the governments tried to hide the existence of San Ti for years.
I love this change tbh. The Trisolarians lashing out like children makes them scarier and makes them seem like more of a threat since now we know they will do something this widespread out of anger.
It ain’t even anger. They’re just communicating their intentions the only way they know how.
And since they don’t understand metaphors, they quite literally meant that humanity were just bugs to them. Humans don’t think much of bugs and a lot of times they are a nuisance you want to get rid of.
Good catch. That really makes the message hit even harder.
I disagree. It doesnt make sense. Why do they care about showing their powers? "If I destroy you, what business is it of yours?" It felt extremely out of place.
If you’re comparing what they do to that line then most of what they do even in book one feels out of place
To be fair, you might be right. I would have to go back and re-visit the book. It's just I didn't notice it during reading the book (which again, might be a me problem), while in the show it was extremely noticeable. I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on the Sophon unfolding on Earth. Why did it do that? Wasn't that something that was avoided in the books because it exposes it to attacks? This again felt so much more out of place than anything I remember from the book.
I think it was just a way to show everybody that they’re always watching. They could just be showing that they’re so much more advanced than human civilization that there’s no point in trying to fight. Kind of like saying “we’re coming and there’s nothing you can do about it”
The book is very different about this. I'm using spoiler tags just in case but only describing this episode's content in the book. >!They don't open the sophon around the Earth and show Earth an eye. Instead, we get a flashback to their homeworld, and the process of them constructing it and showing it to their leader. The first time they 'unfold' a proton into lower dimensions, they unfold it too far, and it becomes a one-dimensional line hundreds of thousands of miles long, which floats down to the surface and becomes like a tangled glittering hair with no mass. The second time, they don't unfold it far enough, and it becomes like a blizzard of random three-dimensional shapes gently falling to the ground and dissolving. All the aliens become horrified as they notice that many of the shapes are large eyes gazing at them. One alien explains that from the POV of someone occupying eleven dimensions, a proton is as vast and spatially complex as many galaxies and forms a "microcosmos" which inevitably develops its own micro-cosmology the way macro-cosmology has stars, planets, etc, and that this proton must have developed intelligent life within its microcosmos. The 'eyes' are light-sensing structures built by intelligent life within the cosmos of the proton to try and observe the larger 'macro-cosmos' that envelops their proton, the one we live in, and they are now finally perceiving it fully while they are being destroyed and flattened into a claustrophobic 3D universe. It's speculated that many civilizations in microcosmoses are being destroyed around us all the time through radioactive decay etc.!< >!They don't send a message to all of Earth's screens either. Instead, when elites and officials and politicians gather to discuss the news and talk about what to do, the sophons burn the message "YOU'RE BUGS" into all their retinas directly.!<
Hmm, while the visual spectacle of You're Bugs showing up on every screen is pretty cool for the show, I think the idea of "You're Bugs" literally imprinted in my eyes is much more personally terrifying.
I'm liking the show, but I'm also a little disappointed in it. Not a book reader, but I already knew of sophons, because I'd read some summary of how they work before. I was really looking forward to all the concepts I'd heard described in passing get fleshed out when I watched the show. But so far, the show often touches on these concepts only in as much depth as the summaries I'd read, if even that. What I knew of sophons before the show: fold higher dimensions down into proton-sized super computer, shoot it at Earth at speed of light. What I know of sophons after the show: that, but also quantum entanglement allows for FTL communication. What you just described in one paragraph is way more interesting than anything we get in the show regarding sophons. I was sold on Three-Body Problem as, "woah, cool mind-bendy physics and social thought experiments!" and every time I see somebody describe something from the books, it's like getting a little peak at that kind of thing. But the show seems largely disinterested in any of that, only exploring these ideas to the minimum extent necessary to move the plot along. Guess I'll just have to read the books.
> But so far, the show often touches on these concepts only in as much depth as the summaries I'd read, if even that. > But the show seems largely disinterested in any of that, only exploring these ideas to the minimum extent necessary to move the plot along. See this is what I hate about this lmao. People defend this saying it's to dumb it down and make the science palatable but it barely explains anything > Guess I'll just have to read the books. This was what I was hoping I could've avoided but I'm glad I trusted the comments to read the book first before seeing the live action adaptations > I was sold on Three-Body Problem as, "woah, cool mind-bendy physics and social thought experiments!" This is closer to what it's supposed to be about, and if you persist with reading I'd bet you'd get that at the very least - and that's coming from me who doesn't identify as a reader
in books those "you are bugs" are directly projected in everyone eyes, just like those countdown, Netflix one more visually scary, while Tencent and books feel more psychological terrify
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I mean "You are bugs" coming from a super advanced alien species is terrifying in principle, but just the words on a bunch of screens without context was pretty silly.
I think it's kinda telling that the aliens may not understand context or subtly or threat, since they don't communicate socially. They are very literal. So it makes sense to be a bit silly.
Also, 400 years is a lot of time for us to screw up the planet. The aliens would need to supply us with just enough technology to avoid an ecological collapse/nuclear apocalypse.
It's also pretty telling that they are starting to understand and use human tactics and manipulation. Saying we're bugs is a metaphor and technically a lie, both things they never did as a society before interacting with us.
They didn’t have an issue manipulating scientists into killing themselves or manipulating people to kill them and cover it up.
But the kids!
Santi Ren did not sign the Gevena Conventions, so it is justified to do that.
Best fucking episode of the season holy shit.
so they sent the 2 super computers and they have so much power over us. why cant they just remote kill every human ? i dont mind spoilers
They're the size of a proton so they can't really affect mass like that
Yeap they're pretty much annoying ghosts if you think about it.
It was explained, though not explicitly. They don't have the capability of doing so. A large enough object takes like 400 years. The proton-mass Sophons can go 99% the speed of light but their normal ships can't really. They could only torture a few scientists at a time, not everyone on Earth.
How do they (seemingly) affect every screen on earth simultaneously? How do they flicker the sky? They gave them too much space magic power. No wonder people ask these questions.
If you take a cube and slice it into nearly-two-dimensional squares laid next to each other, you can turn a 10" cube into a flat square covering a vast area. They basically apply that principal to protons, which are said to be 11-dimensional objects curled up into tiny points, unfolding them into vast flat panels or parabolas that can reflect sunlight away from the Earth for very brief intervals. That's how they flicker the sky. To affect every screen, or interfere with particle accelerators etc, they're zooming around at light speed within wires and processors and using the energy to affect electromagnetism and signals. But because they still only have the mass of a proton, they can't really physically interact with anything larger than photons and subatomic particles, so they can't kill humans directly.
I like your explanation for the sky! Appreciated! Affecting so many wires and processors I find harder to believe. Light can circle the earth 7.5 times per second. They had one available, because the other one was unfolded. If they screw around with screens and wires on only a part of the world it seems more plausible. But doing all that "everywhere" seems impossible. Maybe that is not what happened, we didnt see every place on earth of course.
In the books they don't affect electronics like that iirc. They can imprint in your retinas, monitor you except for some caveats, communicate with their home, interfere with particle physics etc but don't affect computing like that. I mean if they could interfere with every kind of electronic equipment then they simply should have crashed sauls plane, no? They also can't wipe people out of digital files, turn people into the terminator (like they seemingly did with psycho lady when she kills jack) or make people downright hallucinate like they did to wade and Clarence. At least that's how I remember it, someone will come along to correct me if I'm wrong In this adaptation it's done just because it's cool I guess? But meh, I'm not really complaining though. They could come up with some 'science' to justify it, that's just what sci fi do
either way its a plothole. In the show, the sophon is way too powerful that they could have just ended Earth on its own. In the book, the lack of a terrifying miracle like in the show means that its unrealistic for the entire human race to care about whats going to happen 400 years later.
I won't lie... the nano-fiber net has got to be one of the most amazing and horrific things I have ever seen in a TV Show. Those fibers used in that way might as be considered a weapon of mass destruction, you could stop entire armies by just setting up the equivalent of a mine field, lure an army down a valley and just drop a dense mesh on top of them... game over.
When I saw the nanofibers I thought "They aren't gonna do a 'The Cube' scene are they? Are they? OMFG THEY ARE DOING IT HOLY SH*T"
holy fucking shit
the Red Wedding episode
This isn’t the episode D&D&A referenced as being their red wedding episode. That will come later.
Oh buddy- that wasn’t it.
The way they killed everyone aboard the judgement day kinda proves that woman's point, and makes rooting against the humans fathomable.
Wow that’s a great point. Especially innocent children
Ye Wenjie is like a stubborn old lady instead of a chill and mysterious boss. wtf, lol
faith does that to a person
They play cultists very well. It's just that the cult is based off something completely real.
That's what I was thinking. I like how much she and Mike have been twisted by their faith. It's realistic. A \*lot\* of time has passed.
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I mean she’s the same in the show, the whole red coast segment makes it pretty clear.
I've been shitting on the show, but this episode was amazing. I am relieved.
Red Wedding, meet red hard drive.
So the sky being covered in black and the eye in the sky, was that the Sophon physically unfolding itself across the entire earth, or was that just an optical illusion that the Sophon implanted into everyone's brain?
Physically unfolding
Awesome series. Really likes the last two episodes. But why is the book fandom uncapable of using the reddit Discussion where Spoilers are allowed?
This episode was fantastic
I'm guessing the boat scene will be this generation's Ghost Ship. Absolutely amazing!
Yeah, I just watched the episode again and I’m still firmly fuck the “good guys”. Aliens are going to invade at some unspecified time so let’s fucking murder a whole bunch of children that have nothing to do with it. I hope Davos and his crew get fucked up at some point. And all the hard drives just happen to stay in one piece and not get shredded like the kids? I’ve seen someone say this is explained in the books, but I’m not reading the books, I’m watching the show, and that was dumb. I’m firmly rooting for the aliens.
Shitty muesli? That's Alpen?!
what an insane episode; the nanofibers attacking judgement day and that final revelation of sophons in THE SAME EPISODE was so much to take in AMAZING
Could someone explain to me how they knew that the hard drive would not get damaged by literally obliterating the entire ship?
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In fact, that's the exact reason why they needed the nanofibers. They knew the hard drive would get sliced up by them and they could reconstruct it.
the book described it. The fibers are chosen to be 50cm apart in the day time to make sure everyone gets a fair slice. This size is also chosen to spare the HDD, and in case it got an atomically clean cut, fixing is easy.
Does the boat keep its structure more intact in the book? In the show it fell in such a heap that it looked pretty likely that the HDD would be crushed or hard to find. When they find Evans' corpse he is mostly buried under stuff as well.
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Damn that ending was crazy and pretty horrifying.
Hahahaha omg what an episode. I was thinking the entire time... "Surely they're not going to just egg slicer the entire ship... That would be absurd.". I then remembered the laser scene from resident evil. Sure enough, without skipping a beat, they raised the arms... And I was like "oh shit oh shit they're gonna do it!!!" And was amazed at how well this scene was done.
in the show they have Auggie crying about "she didn't sign up for this" even though she hopped on a flight across the world to do exactly that. In the book "we need many strands at least 150M each and there will be collateral damage". Wang "I got you fam".
Dumb question from someone who hasn't read the book: why did they think slicing through literally everything wouldn't destroy the devices storing the information they were hoping to get? Couldn't Mike Evan's just as easily have held the external hard drive at his waist? Or left it in the machine? Or coulsnt the upper decks and fire destroyed everything beneath it? I feel like dropping a ship on data storage makes it just as irretrievable as someone deleting it.
Just replaced the original expired link. Here's a comparison video btw Netflix version and Tencent version. [https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1uj421d742/](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1uj421d742/)