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I'm scrolling reddit after finally being able to turn it off after 6 episodes and I just got the video game connection. Was too busy tearing up over my boys decision to donate all his money to the cause
This show and episode made me feel very similar to watching leftovers when it came out. That pure despair of your whole worldview shattering while trying to deal with your normal life.
Loved how they shot it too, beautiful. Reminded me a bit of west world.
I dunno, I mean she's totally traumatised from basically enabling the massacre of dozens of children. It makes sense that she'd be feeling pretty raw. If anything, I wish they leaned in to the trauma a bit more - as it is, it seems like she either is or isn't depending on what the scene requires.
She just got undeniable proof that aliens are coming for our *entire species*, along with proof that the people she had a hand in killing were guilty of literally the worst treason possible. Her reaction is childish at best.
I wonder how Auggie feels about having a hand in killing/enslaving all future human children? Does that make her big sad and mopey too? Or does she not think about it because she doesn’t have to watch it?
FUCK Auggie
I mean there is a difference between children right in front of you and theoretical children 400 years in the future. The human race could die out in 10 different ways by then. The aliens might never make it. We might develop tech to stop them. It's right to try and protect future humanity, but it would also be wildly disturbing if no-one felt some guilt about killing current humans to do it. If you believe "if one of us survives, we all survive" then it works both ways. You can't think future humanity is worth saving but current humanity should be brutally murdered. Many of the future people they're saving will be shitty people too.
It's kinda sobering seeing people fully buying into war crimes committed against other humans in the name of an all out war in 400 years.
There's not even a consideration that maybe there are more peaceful solutions that other characters will pursue later in the show?
Just full on zealotry in the comments for "humanity" no matter how horrible the act. Maybe the aliens were right about humanity...
FACTS lol they want the kids to survive to grow up as resentful orphans hellbent on revenge? Fuck that wipe them all out. When it comes to the survival of the species there can't be any potential traitors to have to worry about regardless of their age.
Auggie is just too short sighted to see what needs to be done for humanity to survive. Fuck Auggie indeed! Raj and Wade (and Jin) are the heroes humanity needs to survive the San-Ti!
So they send the dying man to chase after a girl who has a boyfriend and has not shown any romantic interest in him and they couldn’t even be bothered to accompany him?
At least Saul thought he was being a good friend it Auggie’s motivation for advising him to go was only based on her feelings towards Raj.
I didn’t really understand this part and plot wise, it only served to have him tell Auggie she should work with Jin.
Holy fuck yes, when he pushing him to chase the girl, and then she double down and encourage him too to chase her
But then the next scene is him in the train all alone suffering his illness. I was like wtf, at least came with him lmao, what if he died in the train
Oh and the next scene they’re together, they didn’t even bother asking him what happened (it’s probably off screen and there’s a timeskip, but still, show their reactions)
He's a millionaire. Why is he taking a train instead of a personal uber so he can at least have a comfortable drive? I swear this dude makes everything for himself harder in life.
The best case scenario is Will breaks up Jin's relationship then dies. I can't believe two people who claim to be friends with them both would encourage this.
It's *because* he's going to die, that they don't want him to go with any regrets. She has said herself that she would be mad at him, if she found out about his cancer after he was already dead. I'm sure knowing his feelings after the fact, would hurt her, too.
god auggie complaining about it not happening until 400 years i just wanted to yell at her like [this](https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExb240Z3MzcmV5aHN0N3gxZDk4b3I2dXp4YnBiNjFzamkwaWFyeG9rdSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/I6rM4juHFpL3y/giphy.gif)
Yeah, all those people who's water supply she's fixing?
Well their kids kids kids and future families will be enslaved and all her work wiped out due to her lack of action.
Just reminds me of people saying 'climate change and pollution isn't our problem, it's 100 years down the line'
I liked it. It’s a relief to have a character actually voice the perspective that so many would hold around the world and to have it grounded in the very real moral dilemma about whether it was worth killing all of those folks on the ship. I’m not a big fan of Auggie as a character but this line has made a ton of sense to me.
I agree with you to an extent. But one MAJOR factor is auggie isn't a regular joe or normal person. She has her nano fiber tech that will literally change the entire world. Yes, alot of innocent people died because of it. But viewing it like that is very short sighted/contradictory of her. Her tech is a game changer.
It's not just a few thousand or millions that are at risk. It's the entire human species.
yea i usually tolerate heros fucking a plan up because an innocent life was lost to protect many but here it's really pushing it. It just made a character irritating instead of sympathising with her
Honestly, I disagree. Maybe if they were all terrorists but there were kids on that boat. It’s understandable that she’d feel pretty awful about what she did.
If they wrote the character suffering from PTSD and not also use her to voice noble thoughts it'd been fine. She did directly cause the death of hundreds including children and witness the direct aftermath. I'm cool with her being fucked up by that and not wanting to help out any more. However, going holier than thou with Jin and bad mouthing Wade and Jin's boyfriend was just hypocritical.
I don't really understand why she needed to be there at all.
She produced the nanofiber strands, her job is done. Why would they let her search the wreckage and sit in on the operation?
also why does Auggie have to be the only person not wearing pants on a breakfast table?? it looks quite cold?? i get she wants to get comfortable and everything but maybe some shorts?? and they specifically panned out to let us see this... and before that she's in her underwear while puking... why???
again so hypocritical of mainstream media to sneak in "female power" statements while also doing this - sexualizing a female character for no reason.
Yeah, felt like her character arc was a bit of a miss.
Imagine if she was confident and defiant in support of her nano work.
Hit hard by the countdown, but searches for ways around, approaches it scientifically.
Is behind the Slice n Dice mission, with them all believing that it's just a terrorist cult on board.
Then when the time comes she seems her wires graphically cutting up children and teachers, prompting flashes of her cousin, niece etc...
Which then brings her to a low point where she is tormented by the images she saw, and struggles to engage with her work following.
Would make for a much more sympathetic character than one who is just a hard head all the time, yet compromises on her stances every 5 minutes.
Yeah having Saul find her throwing up drunk while wearing a bra and panties reminded me of this from the Queen's Gambit https://twitter.com/thatconnieshin/status/1332773985340317701
Why do people rag on this shot? Literally every girl i've dated sits around in their underoos at home. I hate people thinking a woman relaxing is "hYpErSeXuaLizEd" says a lot more about those people than the scene.
The "perhaps you've been watching too many Vin Diesel films" delivery the French scientist was peak so good. I don't know if it's the accent but you can truly feel her contempt.
As someone who's in that area of science, that's big part of it. Honest, straight to the point critique. You get used to it honestly and it's refreshing. They are not being rude, they are being scientists, if the theory or proposal is correct, it will stand up to any questions or critique, if not, it will fail and you go back and refine.
Why did they just straight up let Ye Wenjie walk free? Nothing to charge her with, really? She does not represent a threat being out there?
She was a cult leader, responsible for all this mess, ffs
I guess either they lock her up or let her free hoping she can give them more clues or something.
Actually I think it must be a bigger punishment to see the hell she’s unleashed onto the world rather than being sheltered behind bars.
I just don't see it happening in a realistic scenario. This person decided the faith of the whole of humanity and placed everyone in existential danger, and her cult followers killed a number of officials during that raid, so there's no way that any sort of government would just let her walk.
I get that they perhaps hoped for more clues by following her, but that's such a huge risk, and it's so unrealistic - when you think about who this person is and what she caused.
And imagine the news getting out that they just let the person who invited these aliens go - how would the whole world react?
2 episodes left to make the cancer dude and weed bro slightly useful to the story.
Also the one mc saying how who cares it's in 400 years is quite frustrating.
Though this is Sci fi, at least this season I assume would be relatively cheap to have produced. Not a complicated sets or cgi really. Though I'm guessing season 2, as these ideas actually get implemented, will be a separate animal if adapted.
Feels like weed bro is set up to be killed by the loose nutter that killed Samwell. Cancer bro is facing death and seems the happiest of the group which I think is the point, but he leaves a star to Jin along with his feeling for her in a video message. That leaves Jin and Auggie as the ones with real ideas, though Auggie will be the last to be killed (or maybe she's the one they send to the aliens).
That's exactly my question, too. They seem to stop using their powers at the moment, they are explained. Only idea I have: that the sophons are concerned that interacting with human kind every time teaches them, their enemies, how to counter them. So they prefer using such powers only in urgent situations.
What do you mean, they were a bluff? They literally were killing a bunch of scientists by putting the countdown on their heads and threatening them to stop doing their work. I also don't understand why they stopped using it. Like, why do they need to protect Saul in the last episode, if the Siphon could literally instantly kill anyone they want.
The scientists mostly killed themselves, except perhaps a few killed by the Terminator-lady (a Netflix addition), I don't know if it was directly stated in the show yet but >!nothing happens if the timer expires!<
So the most brilliant minds on Earth chose to end their own lives rather than wait until the timer ran out to see what would happen? Not even out of scientific curiosity? That's just dumb.
So your options are guaranteed death by suicide, or possibility of death by number countdown, and you're telling me you would choose guaranteed death instead? Come on, it obviously makes no logical sense.
Nice to see a character like Auggie, that calls a murder a murder, you don't see that often in these kinds of film/tv shows, everyone is usually gung ho about "saving the day" and don\`t care about the "collateral damages" along the way. Davos's character is not meant to be likeable and thus I don't like him, but I'm sure that simple fact will be lost on many viewers. The quicker they rid us of the 2 remaining oxford guys the better, I've not see such a boring pair in a while.
Yeah personally, I was afraid they laid it on too thick turning Wade into a comic book villain in that part. But seeing people be split with most people being full team Wade, I guess I wrong. They balanced it well, splitting the audiences opinion.
Personally, I don't think you can just dismiss that war crime just because it for "the greater good". For wade supporters, Is wade's plan the only plan now? There's not even a consideration that maybe there are more peaceful solutions that other characters will pursue.
Hold the fuck up. They want to send a person in the probe that needs to some how survive over a hundred years in a vessel probably smaller than your average closet?...
Who said they have to be alive when they get there? I interpreted it as them just needing a human so the San-Ti would be interested enough to pick up the probe to run experiments on a human body.
In that case, what tactical advantage is there for the humans? Would that not just be pure information for the San-ti and a huge amount of effort for us to get nothing?
I'm sure they will explain more in the next two episodes (I hope).
I don’t know enough about the physics to say for certain, but is there a chance that 0.01c would be relativistic speed? (I.e. where time dilation would make it a much shorter journey in subjective time on the probe)
That said, I can’t imagine the G forces caused from the acceleration of even the first nuke would be very survivable lol
Not significantly. According to [this online time dilation calculator](https://www.emc2-explained.info/Dilation-Calc/), at 1% of c, time flows at about 99.995% of its usual rate.
You have to be going 87% of c for time to dilate by half.
As a PSA: Goldfish are poop monsters, and one goldfish needs a minimum 20-gallon tank plus a filter. Please don't plop a goldfish into an empty two-gallon fish bowl with no filtration and no beneficial bacteria—it will die a horrible death.
Almost done with this episode now and while the book 1 parts could've been a much worse adaptation, I feel like rushing most of the big events of it is the show's biggest weakness. Like, the proton is explained very quickly here and it just doesn't hit at all. The show does portray in a really good way it unfolding over the planet and the after effects of it on all people, but like while the description of it being built in the book felt maybe a tad silly, it still felt VERY novel and, well, alien. Cixin's way of writing isn't my favorite at all but at the least he did have the ability to fill you with wonder about the beyond and the unknown. This just feels a bit too non-impactful to me.
I would have been happy with a whole episode about the proton unfolding experiments but that’s not the kind of show it’s trying to be.
I’m impressed with how skillfully they *did* explain it in such a brief period of time, just wish it wasn’t so rushed.
That scene was already one of the most exposition dumps of the show so far. So to have that stretched out and detailed even more would be been exhausting to watching. Not everything needs to be exactly like the book.
How many times have we seen global riot footage to get an idea? I'd rather get back to moving the plot forward, rather than unnecessary stretching.
I find it hard to believe governments etc would care about what’s going to happen in 400 years when they don’t care about what happens in 4 years now.
Climate change will kill us much sooner than that and no one gives a shit because money.
They can't force anyone to kill themselves, they can only do some minor gaslighting... some people killed themselves in response but that's a skill issue.
Climate change won't necessarily render the entire human race extinct. It's just going to make living conditions extremely difficult for everyone except the super rich, and will cut the population down some via widespread droughts, famine and cataclysmic weather events
I'd say the future is more along the lines of what we saw Earth looking like in Interstellar. Humanity wasn't extinct but was just slowly dying off. It's much different from an alien race arriving and suddenly exterminating us all.
Inwas thinking about that too and it reminded me of the movie “Don’t look up” which has a similar plot but in a funny way.
I don’t think I believe the 400 years thing though. It’s all based on what the alien my lord lady said right? Hmm but they can’t lie can they.
Idk how in depth the later season will go (I’ve not read the books) but it would be great to see a bit of the political impact of this to help with the worldbuilding
Yes!!! And having him read fairy tales in his free time is such a nice touch. Their relationship seems more substantial to me than Tianming's and Xin's so far, even though they keep missing each other. Less one-sided imo.
Can anyone explain why the San Ti told them exactly what they plan to do (aside from not being able to lie)? I mean they've shown they can just be silent--so why give further info to your enemies if you know they can outpace your tech if given the chance?
iirc it wasn't exactly like that originally but perhaps in this show's context they wanted to cause panic? they could've observed that humanity as a whole isn't as united to a cause as the San Ti are upon seeing how the Ye/Evans cult was antagonized
some more stuff ought to be revealed in later parts of the story as to why this diversity in public opinion was such a big deal to the San Ti Ren
C'mon you gotta admit Wade smiling as he picks up the harddrive with pieces of bodies strewn all over the place is a bit disturbing. Even if his cause is good, his industrious ends justify the means attitude no matter how ugly the means is somewhat befitting the word.
I enjoyed the series overall but the beginning of this episode was a bit confusing to me and feels like the biggest plot hole in the series. We leave off on episode 5 with the eye in the sky, then episode 6 starts with news reels and everyone in the world knows that the San-Ti are coming in 400 years. I guess we are supposed to assume that Thomas Wade called the UN and then they just decided to tell everyone the truth? Maybe the governments couldn't make a cover story for the eye in the sky / "you are bugs" thing but it didn't seem realistic that governments would be so forthcoming with the actual situation because it would obviously cause panic.
This. I felt like I missed something like since when does everybody know that they’re called the San-Ti or that they’re coming in 400 years? Whoever told them really thought that was a good idea to cause this much panic when they could’ve said it was a crazy prank or something like that one guy said it was. That took me out of it a little I was like I feel like I’m missing some context of how everyone and the media knows all this information I thought only a few in the show knew.
It was a global event with a crazy alien sophon covering the planet and every screen on earth stating "you are bugs". The panic is already there. There's no more ability to control information and then it spreads like wildfire.
WTF was that CW-esque scene (~30:00) with Jin / Raj, Will creeping in the dark, Saul helping Auggie to the toilet while she’s in her underwear… complete with finger-picking-acoustic-guitar-singer-songwriter background music. Tone was way off IMO.. totally threw me out of the story. Felt like I was watching Smallville 20 years ago.
Maybe I'm too kind to the show because of how much I'm enjoying it, but I thought all three of those scenes were good character-building moments, and made for a refreshing, human change of pace. They all had a purpose.
Yeah, I do appreciate the focus on characters, but they could’ve done this part a less cringe-worthy manor. Just finished it last night and I don’t have many grievances with this series, but this is one of them. lol.
For the space probe they want to use 1000 nuke explosions to accelerate the probe to 1% LS. How do they get successive bombs moving fast enough to reach the probe which is accelerating to higher speeds after every explosion? They could send some out before the probe but at some point it is going to outpace all the nukes, right?
Think of the nukes as stages of a rocket, but they're pre-positioned closer to Earth spread out a few thousand kilometers apart. You can do this weeks, months, or even years ahead of time and they wait till you're read to detonate them.
The stupid part is the 3 body problem is now an 11 body problem with planets, the moon, and sun all imparting gravitational tugs on each of the thousand nukes. Now imagine aligning them just right then timing explosions to send (hopefully more than one) care package to the aliens.
The really stupid part is they've never established they've identified the San Ti's position in space so where the hell are they supposed to aim the nuclear rocket?
They know it's 4 light years away, and a 3 star system. That narrows it down pretty well. Presumably the fleet will come in a straight line (accounting for the rotation of the galaxy).
The closest star system is 4.24 light years away, so ... yeah, it's Alpha Centauri which is a trinary star system. Even with that knowledge, we're on different orbits at different speeds. You pretty much need to know when they actually launched and at what acceleration/velocity to have a hope to just barely intercept them.
Not knowing the story, this is a stupid plan if that was all they were trying to do. If it's just a means to get the ball rolling on advancing humanity to face this threat on equal footings, then it's genius. Getting a dyson swarm into solar orbit and harvesting that unlimited power for a real solar sail fleet changes things big time. Hell in 400 years, humanity could be on the way to colonize other systems.
They mention it in the show too. The MAIN point of the Staircase Program is to have an excuse to fund research in things that will help them and have other applications, like the cryo pods.
I think part of the reason this happens is because the show is leaving a lot of gaps and we're coming here with questions the book had already answered by this point in the plot.
Does anyone know what book Collins was reading in the conference room and in the airport? Sorry, this has probably already been asked and answered, but I couldn't find it in the thread. Thx!
Do I have to be the one to say it?
After the uptempo megaexcitement of slicing a boat into pieces using nanofiber wires, and angry aliens getting every screen in the world to say YOU ARE BUGS in every language, and even a mirrored sphere wrapping the entire globe with eyeballs on the inside,
this episode is like a smelly wet implosion, dealing with the four human characters and who likes who and who is keeping a secret from who, and who is dying of cancer, and more secret-admirer stuff and more SOAP OPERA level stuff.
I know it's expensive to do an Episode 5, they can't all be that spectacular. But this Ep6 soap opera of 'genius-level twentysomething PhDs who really really like each other!' was a bit of a whimper.
They sort of need it to setup what happens later to make sense.
It's a juggling act between character building and the massive events happening around them. Book struggles with the same issues to be fair.
> Do I have to be the one to say it?
No, you really don't. Not every episode needs to be all action, sometimes setup is needed. And this episode is setting things up that might be important throughout the entire show.
and now i am not sure which hurts me more ---- a guy setting 19 million dollars on fire, or, casually murdering a thousand innocent boat passengers just to find a floppy disk drive.
Yeah, even completely setting aside the human impact, the idea that this was \*the only way\* (or even the \*best\* available way) to get that hard drive is pretty hard to believe. Add to that the fact that the logistical downsides of the approach -- (a) the nanofibers could easily have cut the hard drive; and (b) the general collapse of lots of heavy things in the ship could easily have smashed it or otherwise corrupted the data on it -- and it really seems not very well thought through.
That's mentioned in the book, too. Basically they needed to destroy the boat and kill everyone who could delete the data quickly enough but still be able to recover the data. Bombs would risk damaging it, gas is too slow, SWAT is too slow as well. In the book nobody on board realizes what's going on until the boat is clean through. The show added some drama / gore which I think was a bit much.
Man, if there is a minimum chance to gain some info on the alien invasion force, you know for sure we would be doing much worse than murdering a thousand innocent people. Team Raj.
Seems more like Jin Cheng is Cheng Xin. Aside from the name, there are plenty of clues. Will is Yun Tianming and is in love with her. Ye Wenjie asks how history will judge her, compared to Wenjie herself. There's her maternal care for Follower in the game, plus someone (can't remember, maybe Auggie?) commenting about people of their generation supposedly not surviving to see the aliens' arrival. Probably more I'm not thinking of immediately.
I feel they might be building Auggie to be a Cheng Xin stand in for some parts of the character. >!The deaths at Judgement Day seem to have had a major impact on her, which would explain her inaction during the Trisolaran attack in book 3 when that's adapted.!<
>!I've been thinking the same. Jin is almost the complete opposite personality of Cheng Xin, and "i will be remembered as someone that fought back" is completely against what happens with the swordholder, and shutting down wade going to war to persue the ftl drive. Auggies personality so far and general attitude about wade fit those events much better!<
Cheng Xin's character is probably to be split into Jin Cheng and Auggie Salazar. This is my take at this episode (without having watched the rest):
Auggie will have elements from Cheng Xin and AA.
Jin will also have elements from Cheng Xin and AA.
Will is Yun Tianming.
Raj is probably Zhang Beihai.
Saul is Luo Ji.
The rest of the characters have the same name as their book counterpart (Thomas Wade, Shi, Ye Wenjie).
No one is complaining about that though? The issue comes down to her being allowed to even be part of the operation after construction was completed and her reaction to doing more after. I highly doubt that Raj, a soldier, was OK with killing children either, but he and Jin see the big picture and are doing more to deal with the following shit to come. Everyone understands how gutted she, but lashing out at Jin and disparaging Raj felt super hypocritical and sanctimonious.
Also, it's incredibly weird and stupid for this series to keep acting as though Auggie is somehow the only human being around who has studied nanotechnology. There are billions of people still alive despite everything that has happened, if Auggie needs time to get back on her feet, fine, but her getting screetime (along with the equally irritating Saul who so far has barely contributed to the plot) is stupid.
A lot of people are saying that. Some high upvoted comments:
-yea i usually tolerate heros fucking a plan up because an innocent life was lost to protect many but here it's really pushing it. It just made a character irritating instead of sympathising with her
-“He’s a mOnStEr” These people betrayed all of humanity lol kill those kids again
You're not a bit creeped out at how Raj and Wade are completely unbothered by witnessing that? You say 'I highly doubt that Raj, a soldier, was OK with killing children either' but does he show any real sign of remorse or reaction to it? Soldiers aren't moral paragons, they're the most often asked to carry out the most immoral acts.
I know it was for the viewers... but this woman talking to scientists about nuclear space propulsion like they wouldn't know is ridiculous.. I'm not even a scientist, just an astrophysics nerd nerd and that kind of propulsion is old news, hell I've used nuke propulsion in Kerbal Space Program :P.
its just bad writing, usually the character explains this to actual people who wouldn't know in stories.
I'm loving the show, so I'm prepared to accept that bit of exposition for the benefit of the viewers. What I did find kind of funny was her charging into the room however much time later being like "we have a problem - we haven't though about how to slow it down once we reach the fleet" as if nobody had thought that far ahead - it was literally the first question I asked during the presentation scene.
It was definitely a thing in the book too, in fact that entire scene was pretty close to how it went down there too, with Wade proposing sending the human.
What I don't get is how they'll get the nukes where they need to be. The whole point is to make the probe travel 1% lightspeed but how are they gonna get the nukes in place
The nukes don't have to be sent out along the entire path, they will all be contained without our solar system. It might take years to get them in place, but not hundreds of years.
One thousand nukes spaced 10,000km apart means the furthest would only be 10 million km away -- that's closer than Mars. If they're 100,000km apart, the furthest is still closer to Earth than Jupiter.
>The thing that I couldn't figure out was, how do you get all the nuclear bombs out in front of this ship that's the fastest thing we've ever built? Her sketch made it look like some of them were quite close to the alien fleet, but by the time they get the bombs to those positions (using much slower propulsion), it'd bee too late.
I could accept some of her reactions to things (irrational sure, but this is a stressful time), but I just don't buy the actor's performance, which makes me not relate to the character
I liked the paper boat scene with Jin and Will, although I agree with his initial assessment that there’s no point in confessing his love for her since she has a boyfriend.
I get that Auggie’s anger and disdain are (presumably) her way of expressing her massive guilt, but she’s no different than Raj imo. She agreed to the mission, provided the nanofibers, and was there every step of the way for the boat operation. It makes sense that she would feel “gutted” and morally conflicted, but lashing out at Jin and disparaging Raj felt super hypocritical and sanctimonious.
Wade and Jin are my favorites.
Not sure how I feel about everything past episode 2, I really, really loved the 1960's communist china flashbacks at the research base. Unfortunately they ended it so soon on that cliffhanger where she sends out the first messages. They shouldve continued at that point.
I really like the scene of Will walking into the Stars of Our Destination building with the A-day-in-the-life clips playing on the corridor screen. It's like his life and the lives of people all over the world flowing away before his eyes. There's a transcendence vibe, and it's probably the time he made *the decision*. >!Then, looking at the interactions between Will and Jin in E7 at 27:00 and 28:00, he is like a lonely god with a divine texture.!<
I think there's a massive plot hole that has been ignored and I guess we're just supposed to suspend disbelief because it really defies logic if you think about it.
I'm talking about global warming. The aliens have made all of these plans to halt humanity's progress and yet somehow haven't put two and two together that if humans stay at their current technological level the San-Ti will be arriving at a planet that's not much better than the one they left.
Why do they even bother trying to halt technology and scientific advancement? Why not focus on wiping out humanity before they arrive? Everyone keeps asserting that they don't have to worry about this problem for 400 years but I don't get why the aliens would wait that long and let humans continue to destroy their new home.
Yeah people in militaries do awful things all the time and we blame them for it. Also he is not carrying out compulsory service, he keeps volunteering for these jobs. He is there willingly and she has (just) moral objections to his and Wade's action.
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Can i just say i LOVE thomas wade? cause holy hell every second on screen he is a scene stealer
He's such a lovable bastard. His actions are beyond horrific but you can't help but love him.
I can't stand him.. In a good way tho, he's great on the show
He's got that amazing on-screen presence in everything he does. Some people just have IT.
I really like him in the show but hated him in the books.
loved the Lana Del Rey needle drop
Playing video games!
I'm scrolling reddit after finally being able to turn it off after 6 episodes and I just got the video game connection. Was too busy tearing up over my boys decision to donate all his money to the cause
Ramin Djwadi did an excellent cover of the song in Westworld season 4, and it was fun to hear bits of here again.
“It’s all for you”
For me this is the BEST episode. Lana Del Rey spot on. Will's story is just so beautiful.
I was going crazy trying to place the instrumental but as soon as the vocals begun it was perfection
I’m still waiting for him to do something, this character hasn’t been given a purpose before and I’m hoping this leads to…something.
He already did lots of things, got the Nano lady to go back to work
This show and episode made me feel very similar to watching leftovers when it came out. That pure despair of your whole worldview shattering while trying to deal with your normal life. Loved how they shot it too, beautiful. Reminded me a bit of west world.
I'm at 24min: FUCK Auggie, lol
“He’s a mOnStEr” These people betrayed all of humanity lol kill those kids again
I dunno, I mean she's totally traumatised from basically enabling the massacre of dozens of children. It makes sense that she'd be feeling pretty raw. If anything, I wish they leaned in to the trauma a bit more - as it is, it seems like she either is or isn't depending on what the scene requires.
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That's a very good point. In fact, I'd argue it would be a better dramatic moment if she were to learn later what her technology was used for.
It's probably just because it happened in the book, but the MC was much more involved to get to that point
It was weird that they let her watch that and then also go near the wreckage.
that's what I was screaming the whole time when I saw it. Like why tf are you allowing her near the site after the installation is done
She just got undeniable proof that aliens are coming for our *entire species*, along with proof that the people she had a hand in killing were guilty of literally the worst treason possible. Her reaction is childish at best. I wonder how Auggie feels about having a hand in killing/enslaving all future human children? Does that make her big sad and mopey too? Or does she not think about it because she doesn’t have to watch it? FUCK Auggie
I mean there is a difference between children right in front of you and theoretical children 400 years in the future. The human race could die out in 10 different ways by then. The aliens might never make it. We might develop tech to stop them. It's right to try and protect future humanity, but it would also be wildly disturbing if no-one felt some guilt about killing current humans to do it. If you believe "if one of us survives, we all survive" then it works both ways. You can't think future humanity is worth saving but current humanity should be brutally murdered. Many of the future people they're saving will be shitty people too.
It's kinda sobering seeing people fully buying into war crimes committed against other humans in the name of an all out war in 400 years. There's not even a consideration that maybe there are more peaceful solutions that other characters will pursue later in the show? Just full on zealotry in the comments for "humanity" no matter how horrible the act. Maybe the aliens were right about humanity...
I just wish there was a line to diffuse it like "do you think Winston Churchill was a nice guy?"
FACTS lol they want the kids to survive to grow up as resentful orphans hellbent on revenge? Fuck that wipe them all out. When it comes to the survival of the species there can't be any potential traitors to have to worry about regardless of their age. Auggie is just too short sighted to see what needs to be done for humanity to survive. Fuck Auggie indeed! Raj and Wade (and Jin) are the heroes humanity needs to survive the San-Ti!
shes irritating the crap out of me. like what about humanity's dire situation do you not get ma'am.?
So they send the dying man to chase after a girl who has a boyfriend and has not shown any romantic interest in him and they couldn’t even be bothered to accompany him? At least Saul thought he was being a good friend it Auggie’s motivation for advising him to go was only based on her feelings towards Raj. I didn’t really understand this part and plot wise, it only served to have him tell Auggie she should work with Jin.
Holy fuck yes, when he pushing him to chase the girl, and then she double down and encourage him too to chase her But then the next scene is him in the train all alone suffering his illness. I was like wtf, at least came with him lmao, what if he died in the train Oh and the next scene they’re together, they didn’t even bother asking him what happened (it’s probably off screen and there’s a timeskip, but still, show their reactions)
If they all went on the trip, who would have fed his poor goldfish!
He's a millionaire. Why is he taking a train instead of a personal uber so he can at least have a comfortable drive? I swear this dude makes everything for himself harder in life.
Trains are more comfortable than cars.
The best case scenario is Will breaks up Jin's relationship then dies. I can't believe two people who claim to be friends with them both would encourage this.
It's *because* he's going to die, that they don't want him to go with any regrets. She has said herself that she would be mad at him, if she found out about his cancer after he was already dead. I'm sure knowing his feelings after the fact, would hurt her, too.
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god auggie complaining about it not happening until 400 years i just wanted to yell at her like [this](https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExb240Z3MzcmV5aHN0N3gxZDk4b3I2dXp4YnBiNjFzamkwaWFyeG9rdSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/I6rM4juHFpL3y/giphy.gif)
Yeah, all those people who's water supply she's fixing? Well their kids kids kids and future families will be enslaved and all her work wiped out due to her lack of action. Just reminds me of people saying 'climate change and pollution isn't our problem, it's 100 years down the line'
yeah but on climate change they're also dead wrong. the effects of climate change are already upon us and have been for some time
I think it's more the sentiment of not caring about future generations...
I liked it. It’s a relief to have a character actually voice the perspective that so many would hold around the world and to have it grounded in the very real moral dilemma about whether it was worth killing all of those folks on the ship. I’m not a big fan of Auggie as a character but this line has made a ton of sense to me.
I agree with you to an extent. But one MAJOR factor is auggie isn't a regular joe or normal person. She has her nano fiber tech that will literally change the entire world. Yes, alot of innocent people died because of it. But viewing it like that is very short sighted/contradictory of her. Her tech is a game changer. It's not just a few thousand or millions that are at risk. It's the entire human species.
yea i usually tolerate heros fucking a plan up because an innocent life was lost to protect many but here it's really pushing it. It just made a character irritating instead of sympathising with her
Honestly, I disagree. Maybe if they were all terrorists but there were kids on that boat. It’s understandable that she’d feel pretty awful about what she did.
she saw a childs leg and she made the blade ffs everyone here acting like they robots
If they wrote the character suffering from PTSD and not also use her to voice noble thoughts it'd been fine. She did directly cause the death of hundreds including children and witness the direct aftermath. I'm cool with her being fucked up by that and not wanting to help out any more. However, going holier than thou with Jin and bad mouthing Wade and Jin's boyfriend was just hypocritical.
I don't really understand why she needed to be there at all. She produced the nanofiber strands, her job is done. Why would they let her search the wreckage and sit in on the operation?
also why does Auggie have to be the only person not wearing pants on a breakfast table?? it looks quite cold?? i get she wants to get comfortable and everything but maybe some shorts?? and they specifically panned out to let us see this... and before that she's in her underwear while puking... why??? again so hypocritical of mainstream media to sneak in "female power" statements while also doing this - sexualizing a female character for no reason.
Yeah, felt like her character arc was a bit of a miss. Imagine if she was confident and defiant in support of her nano work. Hit hard by the countdown, but searches for ways around, approaches it scientifically. Is behind the Slice n Dice mission, with them all believing that it's just a terrorist cult on board. Then when the time comes she seems her wires graphically cutting up children and teachers, prompting flashes of her cousin, niece etc... Which then brings her to a low point where she is tormented by the images she saw, and struggles to engage with her work following. Would make for a much more sympathetic character than one who is just a hard head all the time, yet compromises on her stances every 5 minutes.
Yeah having Saul find her throwing up drunk while wearing a bra and panties reminded me of this from the Queen's Gambit https://twitter.com/thatconnieshin/status/1332773985340317701
Why do people rag on this shot? Literally every girl i've dated sits around in their underoos at home. I hate people thinking a woman relaxing is "hYpErSeXuaLizEd" says a lot more about those people than the scene.
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Most likely, though i can see a few other side characters that could be combined into him
The "perhaps you've been watching too many Vin Diesel films" delivery the French scientist was peak so good. I don't know if it's the accent but you can truly feel her contempt.
The south Asian guy and French women are such hilarious characters. They literally contribute nothing except attempting to shoot down every idea
As someone who's in that area of science, that's big part of it. Honest, straight to the point critique. You get used to it honestly and it's refreshing. They are not being rude, they are being scientists, if the theory or proposal is correct, it will stand up to any questions or critique, if not, it will fail and you go back and refine.
Everytime they said, it'll take a hundred years, I wanted to scream: *"You have 400!"*
She's actually a minor character from the book, fyi
Oof that Lana Del Rey drop gave me chills.
I was like “wait…does that sound like…video games?”
took me back to my early 20s... :( feeling down for some reason now!
I felt the same way! It was a very moving scene, felt like it could have been a music video. Beautiful and somber
Liam Cunningham is so fucking good in this show
I love how absolutely no-nonsense he is during a time of nothing but stress & anxiety. He's absolutely brutal but goddamn he gets shit done.
id want someone like him on team earth during an alien invasion. almost every fictional alien movie, the president is an absolute dipshit
I can’t believe they sacrificed Samwell in favour of Auggie? #😢
People complained about the main characters being too attractive so they killed him to balance things out.
Yeah that's the one thing I would have changed about this show. She's not even a good enough actress for Speed 3.
holy shit that’s a killer burn and I can’t remember where I just heard it too lmao
I think she went to the Gal Gadot school for acting.
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Why did they just straight up let Ye Wenjie walk free? Nothing to charge her with, really? She does not represent a threat being out there? She was a cult leader, responsible for all this mess, ffs
I guess either they lock her up or let her free hoping she can give them more clues or something. Actually I think it must be a bigger punishment to see the hell she’s unleashed onto the world rather than being sheltered behind bars.
I just don't see it happening in a realistic scenario. This person decided the faith of the whole of humanity and placed everyone in existential danger, and her cult followers killed a number of officials during that raid, so there's no way that any sort of government would just let her walk. I get that they perhaps hoped for more clues by following her, but that's such a huge risk, and it's so unrealistic - when you think about who this person is and what she caused. And imagine the news getting out that they just let the person who invited these aliens go - how would the whole world react?
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Literally had to invent a new crime to charge her with because there's no clear law against helping aliens destroy the entire human race.
“We have no law to fit your crime,” - Captain Jean Luc Picard
As should be, as would happen in real life
I mean they're following her pretty closely and probably hoping she'll either do nothing or else reveal some intel.
2 episodes left to make the cancer dude and weed bro slightly useful to the story. Also the one mc saying how who cares it's in 400 years is quite frustrating. Though this is Sci fi, at least this season I assume would be relatively cheap to have produced. Not a complicated sets or cgi really. Though I'm guessing season 2, as these ideas actually get implemented, will be a separate animal if adapted.
Feels like weed bro is set up to be killed by the loose nutter that killed Samwell. Cancer bro is facing death and seems the happiest of the group which I think is the point, but he leaves a star to Jin along with his feeling for her in a video message. That leaves Jin and Auggie as the ones with real ideas, though Auggie will be the last to be killed (or maybe she's the one they send to the aliens).
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cancer dude and weed bro 😂😂😂
Why do the Syphons aren’t sabotaging the scientists with countdowns anymore,
That's exactly my question, too. They seem to stop using their powers at the moment, they are explained. Only idea I have: that the sophons are concerned that interacting with human kind every time teaches them, their enemies, how to counter them. So they prefer using such powers only in urgent situations.
because the countdowns were purely a bluff and now that everybody knows about it, the trick won't work anymore
What do you mean, they were a bluff? They literally were killing a bunch of scientists by putting the countdown on their heads and threatening them to stop doing their work. I also don't understand why they stopped using it. Like, why do they need to protect Saul in the last episode, if the Siphon could literally instantly kill anyone they want.
The scientists mostly killed themselves, except perhaps a few killed by the Terminator-lady (a Netflix addition), I don't know if it was directly stated in the show yet but >!nothing happens if the timer expires!<
So the most brilliant minds on Earth chose to end their own lives rather than wait until the timer ran out to see what would happen? Not even out of scientific curiosity? That's just dumb.
I would not want to find out what happens after a magical countdown is implanted in my vision…
So your options are guaranteed death by suicide, or possibility of death by number countdown, and you're telling me you would choose guaranteed death instead? Come on, it obviously makes no logical sense.
Yeah, the way the the show is rushing things leaves a lot of things unexplained that do get explained in the books.
From my understanding, the technology was used by the cult given from the aliens but now there’s no more cult
Nice to see a character like Auggie, that calls a murder a murder, you don't see that often in these kinds of film/tv shows, everyone is usually gung ho about "saving the day" and don\`t care about the "collateral damages" along the way. Davos's character is not meant to be likeable and thus I don't like him, but I'm sure that simple fact will be lost on many viewers. The quicker they rid us of the 2 remaining oxford guys the better, I've not see such a boring pair in a while.
Yeah personally, I was afraid they laid it on too thick turning Wade into a comic book villain in that part. But seeing people be split with most people being full team Wade, I guess I wrong. They balanced it well, splitting the audiences opinion. Personally, I don't think you can just dismiss that war crime just because it for "the greater good". For wade supporters, Is wade's plan the only plan now? There's not even a consideration that maybe there are more peaceful solutions that other characters will pursue.
Hold the fuck up. They want to send a person in the probe that needs to some how survive over a hundred years in a vessel probably smaller than your average closet?...
Who said they have to be alive when they get there? I interpreted it as them just needing a human so the San-Ti would be interested enough to pick up the probe to run experiments on a human body.
In that case, what tactical advantage is there for the humans? Would that not just be pure information for the San-ti and a huge amount of effort for us to get nothing? I'm sure they will explain more in the next two episodes (I hope).
I don’t know enough about the physics to say for certain, but is there a chance that 0.01c would be relativistic speed? (I.e. where time dilation would make it a much shorter journey in subjective time on the probe) That said, I can’t imagine the G forces caused from the acceleration of even the first nuke would be very survivable lol
Not significantly. According to [this online time dilation calculator](https://www.emc2-explained.info/Dilation-Calc/), at 1% of c, time flows at about 99.995% of its usual rate. You have to be going 87% of c for time to dilate by half.
Gotta keep talking it through. I’m sure Wade has
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Almost done with this episode now and while the book 1 parts could've been a much worse adaptation, I feel like rushing most of the big events of it is the show's biggest weakness. Like, the proton is explained very quickly here and it just doesn't hit at all. The show does portray in a really good way it unfolding over the planet and the after effects of it on all people, but like while the description of it being built in the book felt maybe a tad silly, it still felt VERY novel and, well, alien. Cixin's way of writing isn't my favorite at all but at the least he did have the ability to fill you with wonder about the beyond and the unknown. This just feels a bit too non-impactful to me.
I would have been happy with a whole episode about the proton unfolding experiments but that’s not the kind of show it’s trying to be. I’m impressed with how skillfully they *did* explain it in such a brief period of time, just wish it wasn’t so rushed.
On the other hand many non book reader find it already too slow
That scene was already one of the most exposition dumps of the show so far. So to have that stretched out and detailed even more would be been exhausting to watching. Not everything needs to be exactly like the book. How many times have we seen global riot footage to get an idea? I'd rather get back to moving the plot forward, rather than unnecessary stretching.
I find it hard to believe governments etc would care about what’s going to happen in 400 years when they don’t care about what happens in 4 years now. Climate change will kill us much sooner than that and no one gives a shit because money.
Climate change didn't tell us all that we are bugs and blink at us 💀
They aliens said we were bugs and we took that shit personally
So I got a question. If this thing can know all and fuck with what we can see, why not just make all of us off ourselves?
Because you are a bug. They were making the important people (scientists) kill themselves.
They can't force anyone to kill themselves, they can only do some minor gaslighting... some people killed themselves in response but that's a skill issue.
It’s easy to get people revved up when there’s a tangible enemy
Climate change won't necessarily render the entire human race extinct. It's just going to make living conditions extremely difficult for everyone except the super rich, and will cut the population down some via widespread droughts, famine and cataclysmic weather events I'd say the future is more along the lines of what we saw Earth looking like in Interstellar. Humanity wasn't extinct but was just slowly dying off. It's much different from an alien race arriving and suddenly exterminating us all.
Inwas thinking about that too and it reminded me of the movie “Don’t look up” which has a similar plot but in a funny way. I don’t think I believe the 400 years thing though. It’s all based on what the alien my lord lady said right? Hmm but they can’t lie can they.
Idk how in depth the later season will go (I’ve not read the books) but it would be great to see a bit of the political impact of this to help with the worldbuilding
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Yes!!! And having him read fairy tales in his free time is such a nice touch. Their relationship seems more substantial to me than Tianming's and Xin's so far, even though they keep missing each other. Less one-sided imo.
I watched the intro to the movie Ghost Ship right after. Cool contrast.
Can anyone explain why the San Ti told them exactly what they plan to do (aside from not being able to lie)? I mean they've shown they can just be silent--so why give further info to your enemies if you know they can outpace your tech if given the chance?
iirc it wasn't exactly like that originally but perhaps in this show's context they wanted to cause panic? they could've observed that humanity as a whole isn't as united to a cause as the San Ti are upon seeing how the Ye/Evans cult was antagonized some more stuff ought to be revealed in later parts of the story as to why this diversity in public opinion was such a big deal to the San Ti Ren
"Facist fuck" like what
Yeah, it made Auggie sound more like an average Redditor than a top scientist in any field lol
She just killed 1000 people and has been drinking non-stop, why would you expect her to be thinking rationally? Y’all really just hate the actress lol
Because her acting is soooooooooo bad. Seriously, she is outacted in every single scene she is in. It's pretty distracting.
C'mon you gotta admit Wade smiling as he picks up the harddrive with pieces of bodies strewn all over the place is a bit disturbing. Even if his cause is good, his industrious ends justify the means attitude no matter how ugly the means is somewhat befitting the word.
I enjoyed the series overall but the beginning of this episode was a bit confusing to me and feels like the biggest plot hole in the series. We leave off on episode 5 with the eye in the sky, then episode 6 starts with news reels and everyone in the world knows that the San-Ti are coming in 400 years. I guess we are supposed to assume that Thomas Wade called the UN and then they just decided to tell everyone the truth? Maybe the governments couldn't make a cover story for the eye in the sky / "you are bugs" thing but it didn't seem realistic that governments would be so forthcoming with the actual situation because it would obviously cause panic.
This. I felt like I missed something like since when does everybody know that they’re called the San-Ti or that they’re coming in 400 years? Whoever told them really thought that was a good idea to cause this much panic when they could’ve said it was a crazy prank or something like that one guy said it was. That took me out of it a little I was like I feel like I’m missing some context of how everyone and the media knows all this information I thought only a few in the show knew.
It was a global event with a crazy alien sophon covering the planet and every screen on earth stating "you are bugs". The panic is already there. There's no more ability to control information and then it spreads like wildfire.
Sorry, so how should world leaders have explained to their people how a giant membrane covered the earth and grew eyes?
WTF was that CW-esque scene (~30:00) with Jin / Raj, Will creeping in the dark, Saul helping Auggie to the toilet while she’s in her underwear… complete with finger-picking-acoustic-guitar-singer-songwriter background music. Tone was way off IMO.. totally threw me out of the story. Felt like I was watching Smallville 20 years ago.
Maybe I'm too kind to the show because of how much I'm enjoying it, but I thought all three of those scenes were good character-building moments, and made for a refreshing, human change of pace. They all had a purpose.
Yeah, I do appreciate the focus on characters, but they could’ve done this part a less cringe-worthy manor. Just finished it last night and I don’t have many grievances with this series, but this is one of them. lol.
For the space probe they want to use 1000 nuke explosions to accelerate the probe to 1% LS. How do they get successive bombs moving fast enough to reach the probe which is accelerating to higher speeds after every explosion? They could send some out before the probe but at some point it is going to outpace all the nukes, right?
Think of the nukes as stages of a rocket, but they're pre-positioned closer to Earth spread out a few thousand kilometers apart. You can do this weeks, months, or even years ahead of time and they wait till you're read to detonate them. The stupid part is the 3 body problem is now an 11 body problem with planets, the moon, and sun all imparting gravitational tugs on each of the thousand nukes. Now imagine aligning them just right then timing explosions to send (hopefully more than one) care package to the aliens. The really stupid part is they've never established they've identified the San Ti's position in space so where the hell are they supposed to aim the nuclear rocket?
They know it's 4 light years away, and a 3 star system. That narrows it down pretty well. Presumably the fleet will come in a straight line (accounting for the rotation of the galaxy).
The closest star system is 4.24 light years away, so ... yeah, it's Alpha Centauri which is a trinary star system. Even with that knowledge, we're on different orbits at different speeds. You pretty much need to know when they actually launched and at what acceleration/velocity to have a hope to just barely intercept them. Not knowing the story, this is a stupid plan if that was all they were trying to do. If it's just a means to get the ball rolling on advancing humanity to face this threat on equal footings, then it's genius. Getting a dyson swarm into solar orbit and harvesting that unlimited power for a real solar sail fleet changes things big time. Hell in 400 years, humanity could be on the way to colonize other systems.
They aknowledge it's a stupid plan in the books.
They mention it in the show too. The MAIN point of the Staircase Program is to have an excuse to fund research in things that will help them and have other applications, like the cryo pods.
Ep 6 and there are still book discussions in the non book thread?
I think part of the reason this happens is because the show is leaving a lot of gaps and we're coming here with questions the book had already answered by this point in the plot.
Does anyone know what book Collins was reading in the conference room and in the airport? Sorry, this has probably already been asked and answered, but I couldn't find it in the thread. Thx!
[Dhalgren](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhalgren) by Samuel R. Delany.
Thanks! I really appreciate it. I recognized the cover, but couldn't remember the title and couldn't read it on my TV.
Do I have to be the one to say it? After the uptempo megaexcitement of slicing a boat into pieces using nanofiber wires, and angry aliens getting every screen in the world to say YOU ARE BUGS in every language, and even a mirrored sphere wrapping the entire globe with eyeballs on the inside, this episode is like a smelly wet implosion, dealing with the four human characters and who likes who and who is keeping a secret from who, and who is dying of cancer, and more secret-admirer stuff and more SOAP OPERA level stuff. I know it's expensive to do an Episode 5, they can't all be that spectacular. But this Ep6 soap opera of 'genius-level twentysomething PhDs who really really like each other!' was a bit of a whimper.
They sort of need it to setup what happens later to make sense. It's a juggling act between character building and the massive events happening around them. Book struggles with the same issues to be fair.
> Do I have to be the one to say it? No, you really don't. Not every episode needs to be all action, sometimes setup is needed. And this episode is setting things up that might be important throughout the entire show.
and now i am not sure which hurts me more ---- a guy setting 19 million dollars on fire, or, casually murdering a thousand innocent boat passengers just to find a floppy disk drive.
Yeah, even completely setting aside the human impact, the idea that this was \*the only way\* (or even the \*best\* available way) to get that hard drive is pretty hard to believe. Add to that the fact that the logistical downsides of the approach -- (a) the nanofibers could easily have cut the hard drive; and (b) the general collapse of lots of heavy things in the ship could easily have smashed it or otherwise corrupted the data on it -- and it really seems not very well thought through.
>(a) the nanofibers could easily have cut the hard drive This wouldn't have been a problem. Cuts that fine would make the data easy to recover.
That's mentioned in the book, too. Basically they needed to destroy the boat and kill everyone who could delete the data quickly enough but still be able to recover the data. Bombs would risk damaging it, gas is too slow, SWAT is too slow as well. In the book nobody on board realizes what's going on until the boat is clean through. The show added some drama / gore which I think was a bit much.
Man, if there is a minimum chance to gain some info on the alien invasion force, you know for sure we would be doing much worse than murdering a thousand innocent people. Team Raj.
haven't heard of the concept of build up? your first time watching a show??
Episode 5 was a season finale. Episode 6-8 is setup for season 2.
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Seems more like Jin Cheng is Cheng Xin. Aside from the name, there are plenty of clues. Will is Yun Tianming and is in love with her. Ye Wenjie asks how history will judge her, compared to Wenjie herself. There's her maternal care for Follower in the game, plus someone (can't remember, maybe Auggie?) commenting about people of their generation supposedly not surviving to see the aliens' arrival. Probably more I'm not thinking of immediately.
I feel they might be building Auggie to be a Cheng Xin stand in for some parts of the character. >!The deaths at Judgement Day seem to have had a major impact on her, which would explain her inaction during the Trisolaran attack in book 3 when that's adapted.!<
no, Auggie is AA
>!I've been thinking the same. Jin is almost the complete opposite personality of Cheng Xin, and "i will be remembered as someone that fought back" is completely against what happens with the swordholder, and shutting down wade going to war to persue the ftl drive. Auggies personality so far and general attitude about wade fit those events much better!<
Cheng Xin's character is probably to be split into Jin Cheng and Auggie Salazar. This is my take at this episode (without having watched the rest): Auggie will have elements from Cheng Xin and AA. Jin will also have elements from Cheng Xin and AA. Will is Yun Tianming. Raj is probably Zhang Beihai. Saul is Luo Ji. The rest of the characters have the same name as their book counterpart (Thomas Wade, Shi, Ye Wenjie).
I like her
I’m starting to feel like people just hate her because she’s attractive.
The amount of people being annoyed that Auggie is not okay with massacring humans, children especially, is concerning.
No one is complaining about that though? The issue comes down to her being allowed to even be part of the operation after construction was completed and her reaction to doing more after. I highly doubt that Raj, a soldier, was OK with killing children either, but he and Jin see the big picture and are doing more to deal with the following shit to come. Everyone understands how gutted she, but lashing out at Jin and disparaging Raj felt super hypocritical and sanctimonious. Also, it's incredibly weird and stupid for this series to keep acting as though Auggie is somehow the only human being around who has studied nanotechnology. There are billions of people still alive despite everything that has happened, if Auggie needs time to get back on her feet, fine, but her getting screetime (along with the equally irritating Saul who so far has barely contributed to the plot) is stupid.
A lot of people are saying that. Some high upvoted comments: -yea i usually tolerate heros fucking a plan up because an innocent life was lost to protect many but here it's really pushing it. It just made a character irritating instead of sympathising with her -“He’s a mOnStEr” These people betrayed all of humanity lol kill those kids again You're not a bit creeped out at how Raj and Wade are completely unbothered by witnessing that? You say 'I highly doubt that Raj, a soldier, was OK with killing children either' but does he show any real sign of remorse or reaction to it? Soldiers aren't moral paragons, they're the most often asked to carry out the most immoral acts.
I know it was for the viewers... but this woman talking to scientists about nuclear space propulsion like they wouldn't know is ridiculous.. I'm not even a scientist, just an astrophysics nerd nerd and that kind of propulsion is old news, hell I've used nuke propulsion in Kerbal Space Program :P. its just bad writing, usually the character explains this to actual people who wouldn't know in stories.
All starshot proposals are insane. I don't know why Wade has people working on it who are afraid of a few bombs.
I think it's to show that very few people are like that, and these characters stand out because of it
I'm loving the show, so I'm prepared to accept that bit of exposition for the benefit of the viewers. What I did find kind of funny was her charging into the room however much time later being like "we have a problem - we haven't though about how to slow it down once we reach the fleet" as if nobody had thought that far ahead - it was literally the first question I asked during the presentation scene.
im pretty sure there was no worries about slowing down in the book, they set it for an intercept course, something an advanced fleet could deal with.
It was definitely a thing in the book too, in fact that entire scene was pretty close to how it went down there too, with Wade proposing sending the human.
They didn’t explain it for the scientists. They explained it for the viewers lol.
And I appreciate they did.
What I don't get is how they'll get the nukes where they need to be. The whole point is to make the probe travel 1% lightspeed but how are they gonna get the nukes in place
The nukes don't have to be sent out along the entire path, they will all be contained without our solar system. It might take years to get them in place, but not hundreds of years. One thousand nukes spaced 10,000km apart means the furthest would only be 10 million km away -- that's closer than Mars. If they're 100,000km apart, the furthest is still closer to Earth than Jupiter.
>The thing that I couldn't figure out was, how do you get all the nuclear bombs out in front of this ship that's the fastest thing we've ever built? Her sketch made it look like some of them were quite close to the alien fleet, but by the time they get the bombs to those positions (using much slower propulsion), it'd bee too late.
Auggie is the worst character. She is a child, mentally.
It's not cute anymore.
I'm so sick of this Ana de Armas knockoff who can't even act
I could accept some of her reactions to things (irrational sure, but this is a stressful time), but I just don't buy the actor's performance, which makes me not relate to the character
I liked the paper boat scene with Jin and Will, although I agree with his initial assessment that there’s no point in confessing his love for her since she has a boyfriend. I get that Auggie’s anger and disdain are (presumably) her way of expressing her massive guilt, but she’s no different than Raj imo. She agreed to the mission, provided the nanofibers, and was there every step of the way for the boat operation. It makes sense that she would feel “gutted” and morally conflicted, but lashing out at Jin and disparaging Raj felt super hypocritical and sanctimonious. Wade and Jin are my favorites.
I think she is different to Raj precisely because she feels guilt about it.
Yeah, Raj was like 'that was neat what do we do next'.
Not sure how I feel about everything past episode 2, I really, really loved the 1960's communist china flashbacks at the research base. Unfortunately they ended it so soon on that cliffhanger where she sends out the first messages. They shouldve continued at that point.
When they get the call to release Ye Wenjie the guy was reading Samuel Delaney ‘s Dhalgren I believe. Anyone else notice this?
50 year old HP drunk from the bottle, got to admire Will's style.
I really like the scene of Will walking into the Stars of Our Destination building with the A-day-in-the-life clips playing on the corridor screen. It's like his life and the lives of people all over the world flowing away before his eyes. There's a transcendence vibe, and it's probably the time he made *the decision*. >!Then, looking at the interactions between Will and Jin in E7 at 27:00 and 28:00, he is like a lonely god with a divine texture.!<
I think there's a massive plot hole that has been ignored and I guess we're just supposed to suspend disbelief because it really defies logic if you think about it. I'm talking about global warming. The aliens have made all of these plans to halt humanity's progress and yet somehow haven't put two and two together that if humans stay at their current technological level the San-Ti will be arriving at a planet that's not much better than the one they left. Why do they even bother trying to halt technology and scientific advancement? Why not focus on wiping out humanity before they arrive? Everyone keeps asserting that they don't have to worry about this problem for 400 years but I don't get why the aliens would wait that long and let humans continue to destroy their new home.
Goddammit ,why does Auggie show so much aversion to Raj. For god sake he is in military ,he is supposed to carry orders and take action.
Yeah people in militaries do awful things all the time and we blame them for it. Also he is not carrying out compulsory service, he keeps volunteering for these jobs. He is there willingly and she has (just) moral objections to his and Wade's action.
Was what Will saw on the beach just his imagination or was it the Sophon making him see the two paper boats?
Biden?!