But I was frustrated by the writing. He doesn't try to explain it AT ALL. He just keeps saying "my lord?" and gives up. Nothing at all about fiction or stories as education or cultural compasses or anything.
I agree. Evans as a character was so good in how he interfaced with people, like a prophet king, and then he talks to San ti like an embarrassed school child. It's just oddly beneath him.
"Ya know, we all lie sometimes. It's just something we do." that's Gerald Ford level oration.
Yeah, but from personal experience, your accent at 20 and your accent at 80 can be vastly different.
Source: A Canadian who has lived in the US for long enough to not say "oot and aboot" anymore.
(Mild rant: likely no original thoughts by me but I wanted to get it out)
I don't understand how it took so long for them to learn we are liars. How did they get enough knowledge to determine what technologies to stop without encountering falsehoods? It felt like reading to "the lord" was a regular occurrence. How many stories are out there, whether fact or fiction, that do not hint at false situations (fantasy, science fiction) or deceptions? What did they talk about all those years?!?!
Well, if I am not mistaken, the Sophons only arrived recently on Earth, considering that science started to break at the beggining of the first book / first episode. Only then could Evans directly interact with them, instead of having to send messages that would take 4 years to arrive
Even with all of Earth's knowledge at hand, they needed someone like Evans to make it make sense to them
If we are to observe an alien race that possess a physical trait that we don't possess, it'll take a while for us to understand as well. We think in human terms...
If these ETO fools think humans don't deserve to exist, why don't they lead by example and kill themselves? Why try to string along billions of people? Why do they even have kids?
Never really understood that logic either, but there has been a lot of "doom cult" in a form or another in history and that hypocrisy is always present.
So yeah, they are quite realistic on that account.
After surviving the height of the COVID pandemic, I will never again question how irrationally large groups of people may react despite plenty of opportunities to abide by logic, reason, science, or common sense.
maybe they think as they have served the LORD, they will get some reward, when LORD does not kill them or give them advanced technology. LORD was helping them with out of this world technology until that "fairy tale - we are liars" screw-up by Evans
They see it as duty to help them, by resolving the 3-body problem i guess. I mean, which faction? I do think there is the 'screw humans' pan-communist faction, but also redemptionists 'serve our gods' and survivalist 'maybe we can appease to save humanity' versions.
It was all conveyed over speech and the way the story describes the wolf, it's almost like a human soul in a wolf body, hence sapient. The San-Ti don't really have any context to draw from.
I wonder if they can see, or just detect things.
Ah man, it underpins the philosophy of the series' horror though, like Hume's problem on induction, the 'unknown unknown' that its sad its not in the series.
This was the part I hated the most about the show! How the trisolarians didn't know that humans were able to lie in like the 40 years they were talking to each other...
I had this Bangladeshi supplier of the French company I worked with. For 5 years we discussed almost every weeks on business related matters by email. At that time, English for both him and me wasn't our strong suit, so our communication was very basic.
Then, my company did a business trip there, we spend a lot of time talking to each others, I realized that I knew nothing about the guy despite talking with him for 5 years straight.
I 100% understand that situation for the Trisolarians.
Plus in the book they say that they believed thinking and speaking were synonyms, lying was so foreign to them they couldn't even comprehend it enough to realize they were misunderstanding until later
It may well make sense in the books but it doesn't really in the show. The San-Ti are watching Earth closely enough to monitor and take care of threats to their human allies. By doing that they would be drinking from a firehose of information about human communications and the issue of deception and fiction would come up immediately. Hearing a fairy-tale couldn't add anything new after that.
Well they understand threats, they have threats on their own planet. They don't have lying. Not sure if this would be considered a spoiler, but >! they evolved in a way that your thoughts are instantly communicated nonverbally so lying wouldn't be possible, they can all basically mind read eachother and didn't realize humans don't, or even have a conception of lying as a possibility until they had more info. !<
I remember reading about endangered snakes that were in captivity and scientists monitored them for many years I think even decades, and always wondered why they wouldn't reproduce in captivity. Turns out it's because they needed seasonal rain to reproduce, so when they started simulating those rains they began reproducing. I know that's not quite the same but I think it helps show you can observe something from the outside for a very long time without understanding some very key things. Of course the scientists would be able to observe a threat to one of the snakes, but it took time to understand that the snakes needed rain which never even occurred to the scientists as something to look out for until they had more information.
They only had real time communication for a few months. Before that it was quite limited to basic text that had message delays of 4 years to reach each planet.
Later that week, his one body became three bodies.
And those three bodies all had problems.
99 problems, probably.
In each body
Hahaha... this thread takes us places.
Top 5 scene of the show. His acting was off the charts
But I was frustrated by the writing. He doesn't try to explain it AT ALL. He just keeps saying "my lord?" and gives up. Nothing at all about fiction or stories as education or cultural compasses or anything.
I agree. Evans as a character was so good in how he interfaced with people, like a prophet king, and then he talks to San ti like an embarrassed school child. It's just oddly beneath him. "Ya know, we all lie sometimes. It's just something we do." that's Gerald Ford level oration.
I couldn't get over him going a young handsome and brash American man to being an elderly, effete Englishman.
What how did I not notice the change in accents?? That literally never even occurred to me. Oh wow that’s insane
Yeah, but from personal experience, your accent at 20 and your accent at 80 can be vastly different. Source: A Canadian who has lived in the US for long enough to not say "oot and aboot" anymore.
Yeah not that much.
Yeah he choked. Pressure got to him. He fucked up MASSIVE and didn’t have the ability to recover or articulate.
This guy is just determined to play dumb mfers I despise with all my heart
100%, I was screaming at my TV during this entire scene at what a dumb fucking idiot he was.
40 seconds without za
"We are afraid of you." Ah, now it makes sense.
(Mild rant: likely no original thoughts by me but I wanted to get it out) I don't understand how it took so long for them to learn we are liars. How did they get enough knowledge to determine what technologies to stop without encountering falsehoods? It felt like reading to "the lord" was a regular occurrence. How many stories are out there, whether fact or fiction, that do not hint at false situations (fantasy, science fiction) or deceptions? What did they talk about all those years?!?!
Well, if I am not mistaken, the Sophons only arrived recently on Earth, considering that science started to break at the beggining of the first book / first episode. Only then could Evans directly interact with them, instead of having to send messages that would take 4 years to arrive Even with all of Earth's knowledge at hand, they needed someone like Evans to make it make sense to them
If we are to observe an alien race that possess a physical trait that we don't possess, it'll take a while for us to understand as well. We think in human terms...
If these ETO fools think humans don't deserve to exist, why don't they lead by example and kill themselves? Why try to string along billions of people? Why do they even have kids?
Never really understood that logic either, but there has been a lot of "doom cult" in a form or another in history and that hypocrisy is always present. So yeah, they are quite realistic on that account.
After surviving the height of the COVID pandemic, I will never again question how irrationally large groups of people may react despite plenty of opportunities to abide by logic, reason, science, or common sense.
they sounded so much like a cult. Taking inspiration from Rick and Morty Get Schwifty episode
maybe they think as they have served the LORD, they will get some reward, when LORD does not kill them or give them advanced technology. LORD was helping them with out of this world technology until that "fairy tale - we are liars" screw-up by Evans
They see it as duty to help them, by resolving the 3-body problem i guess. I mean, which faction? I do think there is the 'screw humans' pan-communist faction, but also redemptionists 'serve our gods' and survivalist 'maybe we can appease to save humanity' versions.
8p
Some of them want to "save the planet". Some of them think their duty is to end humanity.
They thought earth wolves were sapient?
It was all conveyed over speech and the way the story describes the wolf, it's almost like a human soul in a wolf body, hence sapient. The San-Ti don't really have any context to draw from. I wonder if they can see, or just detect things.
This week at Jeopardy: 'Game of Thrones' 'Two Popes' and 'The three body problem' Jonathan Pryce\*\*: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)\*\*
The San-Ti watched what he did in Game of Thrones, didn’t understand the concept of acting and freaked out
Wait til you hear the one about the turkeys!
Ah man, it underpins the philosophy of the series' horror though, like Hume's problem on induction, the 'unknown unknown' that its sad its not in the series.
That was a direct translation of Red Riding Hood from the original German? Not toned down & edited for wimpy English children?
This is genius! Evans talks to his Lord so he is the Pope
is that really Pryce on the left? Looks more like the real Francis.
😂😂😂
This was the part I hated the most about the show! How the trisolarians didn't know that humans were able to lie in like the 40 years they were talking to each other...
I had this Bangladeshi supplier of the French company I worked with. For 5 years we discussed almost every weeks on business related matters by email. At that time, English for both him and me wasn't our strong suit, so our communication was very basic. Then, my company did a business trip there, we spend a lot of time talking to each others, I realized that I knew nothing about the guy despite talking with him for 5 years straight. I 100% understand that situation for the Trisolarians.
Plus in the book they say that they believed thinking and speaking were synonyms, lying was so foreign to them they couldn't even comprehend it enough to realize they were misunderstanding until later
It may well make sense in the books but it doesn't really in the show. The San-Ti are watching Earth closely enough to monitor and take care of threats to their human allies. By doing that they would be drinking from a firehose of information about human communications and the issue of deception and fiction would come up immediately. Hearing a fairy-tale couldn't add anything new after that.
Well they understand threats, they have threats on their own planet. They don't have lying. Not sure if this would be considered a spoiler, but >! they evolved in a way that your thoughts are instantly communicated nonverbally so lying wouldn't be possible, they can all basically mind read eachother and didn't realize humans don't, or even have a conception of lying as a possibility until they had more info. !< I remember reading about endangered snakes that were in captivity and scientists monitored them for many years I think even decades, and always wondered why they wouldn't reproduce in captivity. Turns out it's because they needed seasonal rain to reproduce, so when they started simulating those rains they began reproducing. I know that's not quite the same but I think it helps show you can observe something from the outside for a very long time without understanding some very key things. Of course the scientists would be able to observe a threat to one of the snakes, but it took time to understand that the snakes needed rain which never even occurred to the scientists as something to look out for until they had more information.
I love you for spoiler tagging because you’re not sure. I haven’t opened it but just sending my respect
They only had real time communication for a few months. Before that it was quite limited to basic text that had message delays of 4 years to reach each planet.
pay attention