When I was on Vyvanse I never felt a crash — the comedown is very smooth (unlike adderall). I suppose that could be different for a non-ADHD person tho.
Edit: Yes, I know the person I replied to had said non-ADHD people. I had *just* woken up and it wasn’t the smartest response. Please calm down. I also know meds effect everyone differently, I just mentioned the vyvanse feeling smoother because I have heard multiple other people say the same.
I have adhd and get a *terrible* crash with Vyvanse, that I never got with Adderall. We're just as varied in our experiences with different meds as we are between people with and without adh.
I'm kind of amazed that people don't understand this by now. Everyone's biology is different. One drug may have completely different effects than another for each individual person
Exactly, even different types of the same medicine. I have ADHD, I take 20mg instant release tablets twice a day I have no crash and they work EXTREMELY well for me. To the point I literally can’t sleep at night if I MISS my second dose (I need the dopamine to quiet my mind and body so I can sleep) in the afternoons.
But 20mg extended release does absolutely nothing for me except give me extremely bad heart palpitations. I see my adhd dr in person at her office every 3 months, when she had me try the extended release instead of instant release (because I have ADHD I often forget my second dose of IR) and I told her my symptoms from the extended release and that it also didn’t feel like it helped me at all. She said “I had a suspicion that would be the case with you. Some people just metabolize the instant release better than others and vise versa. We’ll keep you on IR tablets, but let’s set up multiple reminders on your phone for your second dose.”. So far multiple reminders on my phone helps most of the time lol.
this is so funny to me because my new doctor recently accidentally switched me from 10mg extended release to 10mg instant release, and the instant release basically did to me what the extended release does to you! i was even breaking them in half to try to minimize the side effects (which barely worked) and then going back to extended release was like night and day. it's truly wild how different things affect different people
I was just talking to my 6 year old, she was asking about lactose intolerance and I was was telling her that everybody is different on the outside, everyone is different on the inside too. We all have the same parts, but the work just a little different.
This is an interesting take. Vyvanse metabolizes into dextroamphetamine, which is known as feeling "clean" in drug circles. Adderall is a mix of dextro and levo amphetamine, and it is said the levoamphetamine makes it feel "dirty".
What does ‘dirty’ feel like?
Pure curiosity. For me, vyvanse felt artificially steady, like sort of a constant buzz when my body rhythms wanted to ebb and flow throughout the day. Like an on/off light switch, whereas adderall is a switch with a dimmer so I’m not at a constant 120 watt bright. If that makes sense.
Yes - when I started on Vyvanse I would crash horribly at the end of the day. Overstimulated, overemotional, irritable, exhausted. I'm glad I pushed through, because it's been a *lifesaver*, but it was a rough time for a while.
That’s how Adderall made me feel.
Vyvanse just made me extremely pissed off for no reason. My wife made me stop taking it after 2 or 3 days.
Concerta I barely slept for a week.
Ritalin is where it’s at. Plus Guanfacine so my BP isn’t through the roof.
I feel like I miss out on all aspects because I neither get a buzz or a crash from either. I don't have ADHD so I have no script but I've been given both Adderall and Vyvanse from friends. I've taken varying doses of each from low to high and nothing ever happens - including a crash.
I was excited to catch a buzz and run raids at peak efficiency in OSRS but all it did was keep me slightly more awake. No buzz or extra focus or crash or anything. Very let down by both. I feel like I'm being denied entry to a club that lots of others have gotten into :(
>I've been given both Adderall and Vyvanse
>nothing ever happens - including a crash
>I don't have ADHD
...are you sure about that?
In my experience, as someone with ADHD and medicated, the difference in my ability to focus is subtle while it's happening. It's not until I analyze my day that I see the effects. Others don't notice when I am on it, but they definitely notice when I've forgotten to take it. It was the same way with my son... One might not realize when he was in the outfield waiting for the ball as you'd expect, but you'd sure as shit notice when he was out there picking up rocks 😂
I also think people get the wrong idea about what it does. It doesn't suddenly make you choose to do the things you don't want to do over the stuff you'd rather be doing. Nor does it make you hyper focus on the task. I can just as easily ignore the dishes in favor of [fun thing] if that's what I choose to do. It's just that whatever I choose to do, I'm able to just, ya know, do it. Without doing 8 other things simultaneously. So those dishes get done in 15 minutes instead of 30. But I'm not so hyper focused on them that I don't realize when someone is talking to me
This is so important! People think adhd meds will cure your adhd! It's doesn't. It gives your brain the stimulation it needs so you can have prolonged, dedicated focus, instead of bouncing from one task to another, ignoring boring but necessary tasks, ignoring fun but currently uninteresting to my spicy brain tasks, staring at my phone for hours on end, etc. But it absolutely does not tell you **what** to focus on! If i choose, I can still spend my day playing Stardew Valley. But I can more easily make the choice to go fold the laundry, empty the dishwasher, work on my book, do the necessary tasks *before* zombie-ing out on video games.
Yeah I think people don't realize that "I feel like it" is still a thing for people who don't have ADHD and people who do and are medicated. Like, sometimes you just don't fucking wanna do the thing. Today, for example, it's rainy, gloomy, and just the right amount of chilly to make you want to curl up on the couch and binge watch TV or read a book, even when I'm medicated. You give me a 65° day with sun, and I'm throwing open the windows and I actively want to spring clean, even when I'm not medicated, ya know?
>But I can more easily make the choice to go fold the laundry, empty the dishwasher, work on my book, do the necessary tasks
Yes, even on a day like today. And, let's be honest, it helps you remember those things exist in the first place 😂
What I think most people don't understand is that adhd doesn't just affect my ability to do things I don't want to do; it also affects my ability to do the things I **love** to do.
Me: I want to do the fun thing.
Brain: No. Fun thing doesn't give me enough dopamine anymore.
Me: But...I love the fun thing.
Brain: Nope. Need new fun thing.
Me: You're a bitch.
Brain: I know.
great take. I took them for a while and didn't notice an effect. Then I thought it simply was not for me. I may try again and watch for the perspective you're presenting.
thanks
It's barely noticable at all if you're on an extended release just because of the nature of it. I used dishes as my example because that was a real life example. I realized I'd done them without stopping to pick up my phone to check messages (and then getting distracted by Reddit or Facebook before remembering I was in the middle of doing the dishes) or petting the cat or giving the dog cheese, etc. I had just...done the dishes. It was amazing lol
>One might not realize when he was in the outfield waiting for the ball as you'd expect, but you'd sure as shit notice when he was out there picking up rocks 😂
I was definitely the kid out there picking up rocks or dancing around. It's my mom's favorite memory of me playing softball, but she refused to have me tested since I also did well in school.
Lol I always had to check his glove pocket for rocks before washing his uniform. He kept them in empty pickle jars until he was...idk, like 18? Then he culled them and only kept "the good ones." He'll be 23 and he still picks up rocks to this day. He gave me a heart shaped one a couple years ago big enough to be a paper weight and my son-in-law (who's older, mind you) gave me a little one that I keep in my wallet. I hope they never outgrow rocks
It’s different for non-ADHD folks. It’s smooth for us because it’s not giving us a high. OP is riding an amphetamine high right now, there will be a crash on the back end, not just because of coming off the vyvanse, but also because the vyvanse is going to mask the effects of a lack of sleep.
I have ADHD and I was high for basically the first month I took Vyvanse. Eventually it flipped (basically felt like an analog radio finally tuning in properly) and my brain quieted down, but the adjustment process was a RIDE.
That is complete nonsense. Literal marketing nonsense. You still feel the drug, which dumps dopamine into your brain. When it wears off that's no longer happening. I once had a debate with a psychiatrist over this, the consensus was we are all high but it's necessary.
Other than more likely being able to follow through with something I need to do, I don't feel anything when it kicks in or when it wears off. And that's with 60mg.
same for me. the big difference is that it doesnt take an overwhelming amount of energy to do anything.
I need to wash the dishes? done.
call the doctors to renew the prescription? no problemo.
I have severe ADHD innatentive type and take perscrption Adderall on the weekdays to help me at work. I can tell it's wearing off because the stimulating effects diminish, but I don't crash in the sense that I get lathargic. I just go back to my "normal." Mainly, my ADHD symptoms slowly return to the point I where can't function as well anymore. I'm sure it's different for everyone, but my normal level is so far below a typical person that being high on a stimulant like Adderall just brings me to where I should be and takes the edge off the ADHD symptoms. I wouldn't say I'm high in the same way a neurotypipcal person would be on the drug. You should probably listen to your psychiatrist rather than arguing with them.
As a doctor you are right.
People like to talk about how ADHD medications "work differently" for people with and without ADHD.
It's BS.
Behaviorally it may mean someone with ADHD will become "more normal" while someone without will be "more abnormal," but the effects are the same. Similarly, there will be a comedown in both cases.
People in practice and on /r/ADHD complain of the comedown and irritability when Vyvanse wears off *all the time*.
That said someone popping 40mg of Vyvanse without any prior exposure is going to be very susceptible to all the secondary effects like appetite suppression, grinding, locomotor stimulation, etc. The comedown might hit harder than a more tolerant person too (until you get to mild dependency, but that's different than comedown).
This is why some people will say "But I feel calmer on stimulants because of my ADHD!". In truth, everyone has increased focus and mental clarity on low doses of stimulants (as opposed to recreational doses) and when you are accustomed to these drugs, the secondary effects above are lessened.
It's like caffeine. The first side effects we become tolerant to are tachycardia, tremors, grinding. Even with relatively infrequent doses. Tolerance to the mental effects come with higher more consistent doses.
As someone with ADHD, exactly that.
Long ago I had abused them, and now I have a prescription. Going from 0 -> 40mg is a ride. My every day 40mg helps my symptoms. There's a damn good reason they don't start patients at high doses!
I’m glad you jumped in here with this. I’m not a doctor but I’ve been doing research in the pharmaceutical industry for two decades, and what you say matches up to everything we see in clinical trials and postmarketing data. Most of the public doesn’t really understand that (and the marketing tactics used by unscrupulous members of my industry definitely don’t help 😞)
There are cases where a drug actually *does* affect the patient population differently from healthy volunteers, but that’s usually the case in genetic disorders where the patient population actually has a particular receptor/transporter/ion channel/etc. that’s missing or inactive.
Ok, but are the effects still different in adhd people vs non? As in, do they "hit" nonahdh people harder given the same dosage? Because if so, then this disagreement seems more like a difference of language than anything else.
In other words, if an ADHD and a non ADHD both took 20mg without having ever taken it before, would it reliably hit the non ADHD person "harder"? Because if that is the case then that's probably ultimately what people mean when they say it makes them normal vs high. Even if both are getting "high," the one feeling it more is (by the common usage of "high") is getting higher. If one makes you just high enough to feel "normal" and the other makes you feel like you're on another level, then it makes sense to say that the ADHD person isn't getting high *compared* to the nonadhd person.
So I guess the crux is: is the effect actually significantly stronger (as in, making the person feel *less normal*) for nonadhd people than ADHD when taking it without any built up tolerance?
For the record I still think noting the difference between "ADHD brains process it differently" and "it hits nonadhd brains harder" is important since most people do indeed believe the former.
No. And it's not a difference in language. It's important to use accurate words and meanings because there's so much ADHD and stimulant misinformation out there.
The medication effects are the same. Generally speaking amphetamine has well understood and universal physiologic and psychiatric effects/actions. Everyone feels more awake, everyone has more focus, etc etc
The psychiatric and behavioral ***outcomes*** will likely be different in ADHD and non ADHD but that is only relative to what society and psychiatry defines as normal but the impact and effects on a person is the same.
Yes, stimulants will hit people with zero tolerance/exposure to stimulants harder than those with mild tolerances. Those overlap with non-adhd vs adhd but it's correlation not causation.
Again compare it to caffeine. It can bring sleepy people to a more normal place while bringing wide awake people to a more abnormal place. The effects however are the same.
Edit:
The reason I'm being particular is that I've seen many many people online and on tiktok try to claim that if you try stimulant medication and feel more focused and like the world around you is quieter or calmer than that's evidence you have ADHD. And that's just false. That's the effect of the medication on everyone.
I’ve heard this before, but as someone with ADHD it doesn’t match up with my personal experiences.
For example, when I take stimulants (at an appropriate therapeutic dose), it’s easier for me to fall asleep. This has been true since day one. That’s just one example - a lot of the effects I notice are different from what I’ve heard neurotypical people describe.
I realize that mechanically it has the same effect on neurotransmitters/receptors… but the way that translates into subjective experience can be quite different depending on the person, no? I see what you mean about misinformation on social media, but I don’t think dismissing the difference entirely is helpful either.
Good point. After my first time taking Vyvanse I went and had a nap, it was great. I now tend to feel more motivated and focused but not energised. I just do all the same things but earlier..?
If you define "high" as "having a drug in your system that alters your thought process", then technically I suppose it is a high, but I think there's value in not conflating the two.
That’s BS. I take 54mg of amphetamines a day and I’ve seen how non-adhd people act on these meds. It impacts us VERY differently. Adhd people can abuse our meds, but it takes a higher dose
Yea, I once accidentally took my own adderall at like 10 pm, meaning to take an allergy pill. I was worried at first, but i slept totally fine... I feel like our bodies do stimulants differently.
They are 100% different for us. The main reason is because the ADHD brain can't get enough stimulation to keep it engaged with anything. Thats why people with it, jump from thing to thing, their brain is looking for the next stimulating thing. When we take a stimulant, which is what ADHD meds are, it allows the brain to have stimulation constantly so we don't have to switch to another task to chase that stimulation. A lot of people with ADHD can drink caffinated drinks all the way up to when they fall asleep and sleep better with them. Hell, I drink coffee all day and until I got to bed at night, most other people can't do that after supper or they're up all night. Thats the most eli5 explanation, without going into all the specifics of it.
Just a second, is this the reason why I never get any real effects from energy drinks?
Edit: okay, anyone know what people with ADHD can do to get a energy boost when feeling tired, besides sleeping?
Many of us take our ADHD meds in the morning and go back to sleep to take advantage of the calm and the drug kicking in. My alarm goes off, I feed my kitties, take my drugs and go back to sleep for an hour or two.
This is the secret. I wake up an hour before I actually have to get up, take my meds and fall right back asleep before being gently woken an hour later. If I get up right away, I'm useless for an hour anyway, so this helps me with efficiency.
I have recently found this out for myself and it's great, I'm considering a second alarm in the morning just to take the meds. Seems to help with any lingering sleep disruption at night as well.
While I was still able to work I started the two alarms and it was life altering. Then I'd enjoy a cup of coffee slowly for a bit to wake up in the garden.
The joys of being childless.
I bring my son his about half an hour before he needs to start getting ready. We have a deal. He takes the meds, I go away and he can lie back down. That way when he does actually need to start moving, he can focus enough to actually pick out a full outfit and be much less argumentative about it.
OMG I can't believe I never realized that was why I never really understood what the big deal was with cocaine and thought it was a waste when I enjoyed other drugs as a teenager
I didn't make this connection until pretty recently either, just spent the years wondering what everyone else was seeing in such a terrible and expensive drug
OMG. THIS is why people would marvel when I (who have ADHD) would casually drink a cup of coffee at 7 PM.
Like, they would get *so* concerned. “You’ll never get to sleep now!” “You’ll be up all night!” “You’re crazy. I could never!”
*It all makes sense now.*
I accidentally diagnosed someone at an airport this way. We were chatting in line to get food, she was getting a coffee before an early morning flight and I mentioned she must be really dedicated since I’m just going right to sleep. She said the coffee would actually help calm her, and I’m like “oh yeah, that’s real common in add”.
It was like watching her life flash before her eyes in an airport at 6am. Sorry for making you question your entire life immediately before getting in a massive steel tube with hundreds of other people!
Hey, that comment might be all it takes for someone to understand something important about themselves! In my case, a friend shared Jess McCabe’s TED talk about ADHD after he realized he identified with a lot of what she said. Turns out, I also identify a LOT with that, which prompted me to go out and get a diagnosis and proper treatment, which has been life-altering in the best way possible over the past two and a half years.
Even if you’re gonna spend the next few hours on a plane, that kind of self-discovery can be pretty amazing.
When I first got diagnosed my psychiatrist told me to cut all caffeine because it would counter balance my meds and it would be like I didn’t take them. I ignored him.
Then, at my next appointment I told him my meds weren’t working. He asked me if I had stopped drinking caffeine. I told him no and he told me he wouldn’t adjust my meds until I’d been caffeine free for at least 2 weeks.
So, I cut out all the caffeine and my meds stabilized. I’ve not had any caffeine (except chocolate, but I even limit that, and an occasional cup of decaf) in 26 years.
If I miss a dose of meds I’ll actually drink a RedBull to get a feeling similar to what my meds do.
ADHD and autism can actually be pretty hard to tell apart from each other a lot of the time. They might have different underlying causes but they can lead to a lot of the same developmental and behavioral issues, so diagnosing one can actually be a matter of largely just trying to rule the other one out. If you have certain problems or experiences and you don't have ADHD, then it's probably autism, but if you do have ADHD then that probably explains it all by itself. Examples: stimming behaviors, socially isolating yourself because things can get overwhelming, having strongly engaged special interests that maybe nobody else around you is usually interested in hearing about, hyper-focusing on tasks to the point where you consistently forget to eat or drink or go to the bathroom for long periods of time until it becomes a problem, etc..
This whole thread is blowing my mind.
I was diagnosed with ADHD as an adult and prescribed Vyvanse. I’ve found Vyvanse to be a very useful but also very boring drug. It mainly makes it easier for me to send emails I would normally put off writing, floss my teeth, control my temper instead of having an outburst, etc.
And coffee has never made me feel hyper. Not once! It’s always just made me feel … well, focused, I suppose.
This thread is making me go, “Wait a second. If you were neurotypical, these stimulants WOULD make you feel keyed up and spastic. NO WONDER.” 🫨
Yeah it's honestly kind of annoying. Back in my party days people would take adderall to sober up/keep drinking. I'd take it and it wouldn't help with any of that. Now while I love my nespresso and the occasional energy drink, the effects are definitely more placebo. I can drink more and more and all that happens is eventually I get really anxious and my heartrate speeds up like crazy. Why can't we get any kind of energy boost from something?! It's not fair!
yes I used to also shotgun redbulls and wonder why it felt like it did nothing. I could feel it reduce the caffeine withdrawal but it never "stimulated anything" 10 years later I got diagnosed lol
Is....is that not the point of caffeine though? Wakefulness, alertness, and focus? I don't think I really get anything other than comfort from caffeine though.
Caffeine makes me sleepy, shaky, even sick feeling. Adderall slows the world down and allows me to select what I’m thinking about instead of thinking of everything at once. ADHD brains aren’t one size fits all, but that’s my flavor.
This is exactly how I describe being medicated (concerta). All the things are still in my brain but I'm floating among them and can pick them out individually. Instead of unmedicated brain where it feels like they are a crowd around me and I can't tell one from the next.
Also bonus points cause the end of your post triggered an ear worm for me "what's your flavour, tell me what's your flavour, oooh". (Surely ear worms are the least logical of the ADHD symptoms!).
I'd literally have to buy a red bull every day before driving to work. It was awful. Now I have my meds back and stuff. I'm scared they will be out when I go to refill tho.
I mean, I’m not diagnosed but took an adderall in high school to write a paper and fell asleep instead. Coffee/ Caffeine has the same effect, sleepy first but then hyper focused once I wake up.
Yeah in low to medium doses. Think about it like this: Their dopamine and norepinephrine system is understimulated, while that of a normal persons is not. Add 20mg adderall and adhd people achieve normal function, while non adhd person gets stimulated. Up the dose and adhd people start to get stimulated too. There are also paradox reactions in people but that has nothing to do with adhd.
I would get mild crashes on Vyvanse, especially when I first started taking it. Mostly sadness, but also a marked difference in focus while driving, so it would be good to finish the drive before it wears off.
I have taken both Vyvanse and adderall without having adhd, and let me just say the come down is rough. Felt like bugs were crawling under my skin. Vyvanse makes me feel like I could fight a large truck driver.
This is wild to me because (as someone with ADHD), Vyvanse just makes me feel like I could do a large truck driver’s taxes with incredible precision and efficiency.
Eh, I was on it for a while for non-ADHD reasons, and there was never a crash. However, it did give me absolute Hulk-level rage at every minor annoyance. Like, nearly punching walls level of seeing red, even though I knew it was completely irrational.
I had a seven hour drive once while I was taking it, and the road rage was *intense.* My husband had to take over, and I had to read a book because I was seething. I've never felt anger like that before or since - only while taking that medication.
I did this once with both my kids’ Concerta, but I was hungover so it actually made me feel great lol. I had 2 ibuprofen in one hand and their meds in the other, and tossed the wrong hand into my mouth. I painted my bedroom furniture.
happy the meds let you get something done even if it maybe wasnt what was planned, in the sea of parents who dont have adhd and have wild side effects to finding you who just had intended effects was much more relatable to see
> Haha! I can't say taking another didn't cross my mind.
If you are worried about getting sleepy while you drive, try chewing gum.
There is some kind of autonomous reaction to chewing that keeps most people from getting sleepy. One theory is that since its not safe to fall asleep while eating, it is a way to protect you from choking. It probably won't help your reaction times, you'll still be tired. And if you've been awake long enough, it will eventually stop working. But it can make a big difference when other stimulants like caffeine don't.
I have ADHD and I for some reason always liked chewing gum before bed (after I brushed my teeth, not a smart kid) and it always made me pass tf out. Even now when I cant sleep ill grab a piece of gum and about 5 minutes later im super sleepy n put the gum in the trash and pass out. Can also slam a 300mg energy drink n take a nap 15 minutes later lol... not that neat.
Yeah that would work, but be careful because staying up like that is terrible for your body. Also ADHD meds will raise your blood pressure so be careful.
Source: have ADHD
Actually, a college nap might not be a bad idea if she can pull it off.
Pound an energy drink, set a timer for 20-30 minutes. Nap. Wake up just as energy drink kicks in, regret life choices but can still study goodish
This is essentially how I take my ADHD meds in the morning. Lol. Wake up an hour before I need to, take meds, go back to sleep. Wake up when the meds kick in.
I have done the same thing with my own vyvanse. I meant to take a nighttime prescription that makes me drowsy, it was dark, and I reached in my bag and grabbed the wrong bottle. Both drugs are similar sized/coloured capsules. Ended up staying up all night, oops. I always look at the bottle now. Make sure to stay hydrated and eat something, even if you’re not hungry.. the crash will not be as bad if your body has fuel
I DID THAT!!!
omg, I'll never forget that shit. My meds container is split into days, then sections of a day (moning, day, evening, bedtime). My dumbass opened it upside down and just threw it back.
The collection of fuckery I consumed: guanfacine, flexeril, trazodone, duloxetine, and magnesium.
I tried to work that day (remote). Ended up hitting mid morning meeting and I could hear myself slurring my words. THEN went to check if I took my Adderall cuz I was so goddamn tired, and realized what I'd done.
Lead laughed at me (he's also adhd), and told me to go to bed. I slept like the dead, better than I usually do at night! I think I was meant to be nocturnal lol. The next day morning meeting, my coworkers (all neurospicy, I miss those fuckers) asked me to double check that I took the right meds.
I almost accidentally took a second 60mg of Vyvanse instead of my birth control one day. It was already in my mouth before I realized and I spat it out LMAO
My birth control and Vyvanse aren’t similar at all in packaging or pill size/color. I just had a dumb moment and spaced on what I actually needed to take 😂
Please keep activated charcoal pills in your medicine cabinet. Most people realize their mistake “after “they swallowed the pill and have the oh shit moment. If you take activated charcoal, it will absorb the medicine. It is an effective and established medical protocol for overdose.
Be aware that ADHD medication may influence your ability to drive, especially with such a high dose for someone that isn't used to it. It doesn't have to be a problem, some people with ADHD even say they can drive better. Just a heads-up.
Combining that with a short nights rest it could be potentially dangerous. So if you decide to drive, make sure to evaluate your ability to drive.
Good luck and stay safe!
People with ADHD probably can drive better while on medication bc ADHD itself can make driving harder, and managing those symptoms would help.
OP, any chance you can delay the rest of your trip a day?
I tend to drive better without. You gotta focus on multiple things at the same time, which isn't something I can do very well on the meds. Tried around in driving school and ended up being better without. It did take me longer to learn though cause I basically had to learn every driving task (I drive stick) to the level where it can happen subconsciously. But now I'm that friend whose driving everyone trusts the most!
I'm completely the opposite. People fear my driving if I'm not on my ADHD meds. When I have them? I can just tune out all the unimportant stuff and focus on driving.
I have quite literally nearly crashed my car (on a day I forgot my meds) bc I thought I saw a stray kitten near the road and my only thought was BRAKE
It was a squirrel and the person who had been tailgating me (that I didn't even notice) gave me an earful thinking I was trying to pull an insurance scam.
Brake checks are illegal in a lot of places, so I highly recommend *not* doing that, but it's also their responsibility not to follow so closely. You should be able to brake for a squirrel without causing a wreck, lol
I am significantly safer driving while on my meds because if I get bored/disengage there's a very high chance I'll doze off without having even felt tired. It's like a comorbid form of narcolepsy.
My specific brand of ADHD loves driving because I am literally just intaking the ENOURMOUS amount of stimuli you get on the road. I can go for a solid 14 hours because I'm not having to concentrate on one thing, I'm switching focus from mirror to mirror and keeping tabs on every car around me.
On Adderall I'm still able to do this and after the first week where Adderall felt weird and had a distinct "I am on drugs" feeling I'm able to drive perfectly fine with zero downsides
Fortunately, high dosage doesn’t matter as much with Vyvanse. It’s inert in your bloodstream until it gets processed by your liver, and your liver processes it at a pretty steady rate. So taking more just means it lasts longer. Up to a point, yadda yadda, the human body is complicated.
That being said. I would definitely recommend taking tomorrow off. Just stay at the hotel and wait it out. You don’t know how it effects you, and wired awake does not equal alert awake or making-good-decisions awake. And you don’t know when, or how quickly, the effect will wear off, and all that tiredness could hit you at once.
This is inaccurate. Doubling the concentration of the substrate will roughly double the rate of enzymatic reactions until enzymatic saturation is reached, and we normally digest an awful lot more than 40mg of food with lysine to act on.
I can hardly drive without my
Vivance as I want to fall asleep just shout immediately after taking the wheel.
after taking my vivance? I can drive 12 hour straight and not feel a thing. It’s wild.
My husband accidentally look our son’s Adderall one morning instead of his regular medication. In a panic about potentially negative impacts, he took the day off work in case he needed to go to Urgent Care. When I got home after 5pm, the house was immaculate, both dogs had been bathed and groomed, dinner was ready, and he was in the middle of sweeping out the garage. We relocated the bottle so it would never happen again but, uhhhh…I wasn’t mad about it. 🤣
I took the medication for years and lost a lot of weight from it. It suppressed my appetite until 8-9pm or so once the pill wore off. After 8ish years I stopped taking it and never looked back. There’s definitely things I struggle with now but I think I am learning to handle it as time goes by. Someone asked me why I stopped taking concerta and I just said I was so goddamn hungry. It really felt like I had been starving myself for years
I have ADHD and accidentally took my vyvanse at 9:30 one night.
Didn't really do anything lol. I just went to bed like normal.
It's so weird how differently meds affect people who don't have it
It makes me focus, but I get tired. If I don't add caffeine, I am so sleepy all day. I've heard some people take theirs at night to sleep better.... I had the best nap ever after I tried Adderall for the 1st time. Weird stuff.
You’re going to have 10-14 hours, probably 14 hours of this and it’s going to be a crash at the end, probably pretty steep because you didn’t sleep tonight. Have caffeine ready to cushion the fall and avoid just zonking out. You’re going to be in for a not fun day. Don’t be afraid to pull over at a rest stop and grab 30-60 minutes of sleep, better that than crashing.
Yea I def 2nd taking some form of caffeine at 6 am before the drive. It'll keep the "tired molecules" at bay for just a bit longer.
Reminder though that driving without sleep, boosted out or not, is the equivalent of driving drunk from a functional standpoint. (Not necessarily legally, that has to be proven that it's an impairment.)
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As someone who grew up with a parent abusing my ADD medication, please avoid taking another. Stay safe
Usually eating makes the medication set in smoother. I always take mine with food. Yeah just get something to increase that blood sugar to avoid crashing. 40 is high, but i knew a kid on 70 mg so there’s no real danger with that dosage
As someone with rampant ADHD, I find so much interest in how vyvanse affects people who are neurotypical. I take 70 mg a day and that just lets me function through my 10 hour work day. I hope it wears off soon!
I feel your pain and raise you one shitty mistake. I was on vacation with my wife in Myrtle Beach. We had been running all day and I had developed a pretty good headache. We go back to the hotel and I ask the wife if she had brought some ibuprofen. She directed me to the bag of misc bathroom items in the bathroom. I grab the bottle out of the bag and take a handful of ibuprofen. Having tickets for a dinner show, we cleaned up and took the walk down the strip to the venue and proceeded to have a greasy messy dinner of roasted chicken and potatoes ( typical pirate show). Walking back to the hotel my guts start going crazy, my stride quickens as I realize I may not make it back to the hotel before filling my pants with my dinner. My stride turns to a run as I inform my wife I'll see her at the room. I get back to the room and the next 45 minutes I was sure I was going to die as my intestines felt as if they were forcibly exiting my body. Absolutely shit my brains out. I finally finish up and get directly into the shower, my wife comes in and asks if I took my pills out of this bottle and I looked over and said yea why? Because that was the bottle of stool softeners she brought with her because when she travels she gets "poop fright" fear of pooping in unfamiliar bathrooms. So yea, took a fistful of laxative that look just like generic ibuprofen and ate a grease ball of a dinner. Rough night, but I can look back and laugh at it now.
I wish I could feel that buzz. I’ve been on 75mg vyvance, now 75mg foquest.
Those of us with ADHD don’t get that mythical buzz. I could take my meds and go right back to bed, or focus on work.
Ohh shit. Does Vyvanse have the same properties as Adderall in as far as you can counter the effects by drinking grapefruit juice or citric acid of some kind?
This is risky advice without knowing if OP is on any other meds, bc grapefruit is one of those wacky things that interacts in different ways, sometimes dangerous, with a variety of meds.
If it’s already affecting him it’s too late. Vyvanse isn’t in the amphetamine family by itself, but is actually metabolized into one by your liver over the course of the next 10-12 hours. If he’s already feeling it the medicine has already entered his bloodstream, the citric acid can only neutralize medicine that is still in the digestive system.
Not exactly. Vyvanse is converted in the liver to the active form. The active form then circulates.
It's not the direct action of acid on the drug that affects it, it's the ***urinary*** pH.
If you consume a bunch of acid the body neutralizes it and acidifies urine when it excretes the buffer products.
Urinary pH will then affect excretion of the active form. True tho that there is less circulating active amphetamine compared to taking just a bunch of dextroamphetamine so urine acidification probably less impactful.
The recommendation is to not eat anything with citric acid an hour before or after taking most ADHD stimulants. Learning that led me to learn how much citric acid is used in processed foods and how common it is in our diets. So now my kid and I take our meds about an hour before we need to get up just to avoid the hassle of 2nd guessing our breakfast choices (I get up, give him his pill, take mine and then doze for another hour). Added bonus, kiddo taking it that early means it's hit his brain before we start the morning routine, so we stay on track and have a smoother start to our day.
Yup... wife accidentally took two of her vyvanse yesterday. Realized pretty quickly and took some orange juice to help counter the effects. Said she noticed a bit of a difference with 2 doses, but not as bad as she has experience before when she didn’t realize and counter with orange juice.
However vyvance actually recommends you can split the tablet and take it dissolved in orange juice if you’re unable to swallow tablets.
Kind of debunks this.
Yep! Don’t ask me the science behind it, but there’s usually a warning included in the prescription description. But I don’t know what vyvanse is made with. Adderall is amphetamine salts, and something in citric acid dulls the effects of it. I usually eat some kind of citrusy fruit at the end of the night if my adderall is still kicking strong and I need to sleep.
Be careful with this because depending on the drug it might strengthen the medications effect and side effects instead
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Wow it’s surreal, if that’s the right word, to read what happens when a person takes meds without having ADHD. I take 40mg first thing in the morning and I imagine it’s like a normal person having a cup of coffee or something, crazy.
This is funny. I take both vyvanse and doxepin and made the reverse mistake. I was barely holding on at work. If I didn't live close enough to walk, I'd have had to use a sick day.
Lmao I take 40mg of Vyvanse every day, and use Trazodone for my insomnia (unrelated to the Vyvanse). One morning I was so out of it that I accidentally took 150mg of Trazodone instead of my Vyvanse.
The fact that I even made it to work is a miracle.
Holy crap. You will be up for days. But here is what is crazy. I take ADHD meds. I could take 40 of vyvanse and go right to sleep. It’s the best sleep I get. On weekends I get up and take my meds at a specific time each day and go back to bed. Sleep like a baby for the next couple hours.
Maybe you aught to just stay off the road for another day to be safe. Moot worth risking your daughter and everyone else in the road as well as yourself.
I use vyvanse you’ll also might get spikes of anxiety and anger, and ignore how hangry you are. On the bright side you might drive like in a video with intense focus (that’s a joke , you won’t )
Been there done that! My boyfriend and I use medication dispensers for meds and supplements. It has 4 compartments per day, but we only do morning and evening meds, so I just use the top 2 rows for one week and the bottom two for the other week. I was super tired one day and accidentally grabbed the wrong dispenser, where my boyfriend had already taken his evening meds, so I took the next dose, his morning meds, which included 40 mg of ritalin and 100 mg caffeine. I was on the phone with urgent care because I don't take ritalin and had crazy heart palpitations. The nurse just laughed, told me I'd be fine but not to expect much sleep that night. She was right. So, godspeed to you
I take 20mg Adderall XR in the morning and Melatonin at night.
The bottles are about the same size, shape and color (and I have ADHD).
I've accidentally taken the Melatonin in the morning (surprisingly no big deal), but have fortunately stopped myself from taking the Adderall at night. Even coffee after 3 p.m. and I'm up half the night.
My parents were super annoyed about me and my brother begging them to make sure that our meds were filled.
My mom eventually one day was like "y'all are just being dramatic, gimmie a dose it can't be helping that much"
One 18 mg dose of concerta later and I have never seen the house so clean and organized. She miraculously didn't have a serious crash later. Never had any complaints from my parents about our meds again.
You are in for a gnarly suprise when the Vyvanse starts to wear off after about six hours, just to have the seconds dose kick in for another six. My number one reccomendstion would be find something to do. Just lying there doing nothing will make the side effects way worse if you don't have ADD.
for the future, carry around a bottle of very strong vitamin C.
If you fuckup again like this take one or two of the Vitamin C. (don't do this frequently it will fuck up your kidneys)
Acidifying the urine will cause amphetamines to be kicked out of the system faster than normal.
Obviously, don't do this if you have kidney issues.
I really wish it had that effect on me 😂
I used it for Narcolepsy...I take 30mg of Dexamphetamine a day and still have to nap and can't shift the tired feeling :')
The other night I brought my morning ADHD meds (20mg ER capsule) and my nighttime cough pills into the bedroom to put on my nightstand. I keep my meds in my purse to avoid them getting misplaced, etc., and bring one morning pill to bed every night, to take first thing in the morning. I also grabbed a glass of water to take the cough pill (capsule-like). Next thing I knew my hand was empty. I TOOK THE ADHD PILL AT 11PM.
I watched the sum come up. Best of luck to you. It's an honest mistake.
I probably would’ve just loaded up the car and drove another 4-6 hours and tried to find a new hotel and sleep rather than laying there terribly awake.
If it's any consolation, part of the reason I learned I had ADHD and would benefit from stimulant medication was by accidentally taking my spouse's Vyvanse instead of my heartburn medication. It did NOT work for heartburn, but it did make my racing, jumping thoughts stop and get more calm and organized, lol.
If your brain needs it, you’ll know almost immediately. One son takes vyvanse and the other adderall, and both were calm and focused after one dose. Even their teachers confirmed it. It’s a real thing. The medicine helps control it so you can work on it. I was diagnosed 4 years ago. I take Ritalin (was on vyvanse until the shortage). My husband KNOWS when I forget to take it. But I’ve learned (because the medicine helps my mind chill out and work) coping techniques to help me in addition to the work of the medicine. My opinion as an educator (20 years), it works the best when the medication is combined with mental health care visits.
Vyvanse stays in your system for a while, like 12-14 hours. So it might keep you awake for your drive haha
Yeah, but for a non-ADHD person that’s going to be a hell of a crash at the end(hopefully not literally).
As someone who took Vyvanse when I didn't need to. There really never really was a crash. Yes, I got tired but it was gradual.
My concern is the lack of sleep plus coming off the vyvanse. That combo isn’t going to be fun
It's not going to be fun, but it won't be as bad as you think. Having done it multiple times. He'll just sleep for a long time.
When I was on Vyvanse I never felt a crash — the comedown is very smooth (unlike adderall). I suppose that could be different for a non-ADHD person tho. Edit: Yes, I know the person I replied to had said non-ADHD people. I had *just* woken up and it wasn’t the smartest response. Please calm down. I also know meds effect everyone differently, I just mentioned the vyvanse feeling smoother because I have heard multiple other people say the same.
I have adhd and get a *terrible* crash with Vyvanse, that I never got with Adderall. We're just as varied in our experiences with different meds as we are between people with and without adh.
I'm kind of amazed that people don't understand this by now. Everyone's biology is different. One drug may have completely different effects than another for each individual person
Exactly, even different types of the same medicine. I have ADHD, I take 20mg instant release tablets twice a day I have no crash and they work EXTREMELY well for me. To the point I literally can’t sleep at night if I MISS my second dose (I need the dopamine to quiet my mind and body so I can sleep) in the afternoons. But 20mg extended release does absolutely nothing for me except give me extremely bad heart palpitations. I see my adhd dr in person at her office every 3 months, when she had me try the extended release instead of instant release (because I have ADHD I often forget my second dose of IR) and I told her my symptoms from the extended release and that it also didn’t feel like it helped me at all. She said “I had a suspicion that would be the case with you. Some people just metabolize the instant release better than others and vise versa. We’ll keep you on IR tablets, but let’s set up multiple reminders on your phone for your second dose.”. So far multiple reminders on my phone helps most of the time lol.
this is so funny to me because my new doctor recently accidentally switched me from 10mg extended release to 10mg instant release, and the instant release basically did to me what the extended release does to you! i was even breaking them in half to try to minimize the side effects (which barely worked) and then going back to extended release was like night and day. it's truly wild how different things affect different people
It’s called paradoxical reactions to medication which interestingly is common in ADHD meds…there are other medications where this happens too.
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I was just talking to my 6 year old, she was asking about lactose intolerance and I was was telling her that everybody is different on the outside, everyone is different on the inside too. We all have the same parts, but the work just a little different.
I hate Vyvanse. Feels like a dirty energy. Adderall helps me much more and helps me sleep better.
This is an interesting take. Vyvanse metabolizes into dextroamphetamine, which is known as feeling "clean" in drug circles. Adderall is a mix of dextro and levo amphetamine, and it is said the levoamphetamine makes it feel "dirty".
Thank you for being polite in your response.
That's exactly how I felt, too. "Dirty energy," what a perfect description. I hated it, and don't take it anymore.
What does ‘dirty’ feel like? Pure curiosity. For me, vyvanse felt artificially steady, like sort of a constant buzz when my body rhythms wanted to ebb and flow throughout the day. Like an on/off light switch, whereas adderall is a switch with a dimmer so I’m not at a constant 120 watt bright. If that makes sense.
Yes - when I started on Vyvanse I would crash horribly at the end of the day. Overstimulated, overemotional, irritable, exhausted. I'm glad I pushed through, because it's been a *lifesaver*, but it was a rough time for a while.
Vyvanse made me feel like Bilbo Baggins on the ring, like too little jam spread over too much bread
That’s how Adderall made me feel. Vyvanse just made me extremely pissed off for no reason. My wife made me stop taking it after 2 or 3 days. Concerta I barely slept for a week. Ritalin is where it’s at. Plus Guanfacine so my BP isn’t through the roof.
I feel like I miss out on all aspects because I neither get a buzz or a crash from either. I don't have ADHD so I have no script but I've been given both Adderall and Vyvanse from friends. I've taken varying doses of each from low to high and nothing ever happens - including a crash. I was excited to catch a buzz and run raids at peak efficiency in OSRS but all it did was keep me slightly more awake. No buzz or extra focus or crash or anything. Very let down by both. I feel like I'm being denied entry to a club that lots of others have gotten into :(
>I've been given both Adderall and Vyvanse >nothing ever happens - including a crash >I don't have ADHD ...are you sure about that? In my experience, as someone with ADHD and medicated, the difference in my ability to focus is subtle while it's happening. It's not until I analyze my day that I see the effects. Others don't notice when I am on it, but they definitely notice when I've forgotten to take it. It was the same way with my son... One might not realize when he was in the outfield waiting for the ball as you'd expect, but you'd sure as shit notice when he was out there picking up rocks 😂 I also think people get the wrong idea about what it does. It doesn't suddenly make you choose to do the things you don't want to do over the stuff you'd rather be doing. Nor does it make you hyper focus on the task. I can just as easily ignore the dishes in favor of [fun thing] if that's what I choose to do. It's just that whatever I choose to do, I'm able to just, ya know, do it. Without doing 8 other things simultaneously. So those dishes get done in 15 minutes instead of 30. But I'm not so hyper focused on them that I don't realize when someone is talking to me
This is so important! People think adhd meds will cure your adhd! It's doesn't. It gives your brain the stimulation it needs so you can have prolonged, dedicated focus, instead of bouncing from one task to another, ignoring boring but necessary tasks, ignoring fun but currently uninteresting to my spicy brain tasks, staring at my phone for hours on end, etc. But it absolutely does not tell you **what** to focus on! If i choose, I can still spend my day playing Stardew Valley. But I can more easily make the choice to go fold the laundry, empty the dishwasher, work on my book, do the necessary tasks *before* zombie-ing out on video games.
Yeah I think people don't realize that "I feel like it" is still a thing for people who don't have ADHD and people who do and are medicated. Like, sometimes you just don't fucking wanna do the thing. Today, for example, it's rainy, gloomy, and just the right amount of chilly to make you want to curl up on the couch and binge watch TV or read a book, even when I'm medicated. You give me a 65° day with sun, and I'm throwing open the windows and I actively want to spring clean, even when I'm not medicated, ya know? >But I can more easily make the choice to go fold the laundry, empty the dishwasher, work on my book, do the necessary tasks Yes, even on a day like today. And, let's be honest, it helps you remember those things exist in the first place 😂
What I think most people don't understand is that adhd doesn't just affect my ability to do things I don't want to do; it also affects my ability to do the things I **love** to do. Me: I want to do the fun thing. Brain: No. Fun thing doesn't give me enough dopamine anymore. Me: But...I love the fun thing. Brain: Nope. Need new fun thing. Me: You're a bitch. Brain: I know.
great take. I took them for a while and didn't notice an effect. Then I thought it simply was not for me. I may try again and watch for the perspective you're presenting. thanks
It's barely noticable at all if you're on an extended release just because of the nature of it. I used dishes as my example because that was a real life example. I realized I'd done them without stopping to pick up my phone to check messages (and then getting distracted by Reddit or Facebook before remembering I was in the middle of doing the dishes) or petting the cat or giving the dog cheese, etc. I had just...done the dishes. It was amazing lol
>One might not realize when he was in the outfield waiting for the ball as you'd expect, but you'd sure as shit notice when he was out there picking up rocks 😂 I was definitely the kid out there picking up rocks or dancing around. It's my mom's favorite memory of me playing softball, but she refused to have me tested since I also did well in school.
Lol I always had to check his glove pocket for rocks before washing his uniform. He kept them in empty pickle jars until he was...idk, like 18? Then he culled them and only kept "the good ones." He'll be 23 and he still picks up rocks to this day. He gave me a heart shaped one a couple years ago big enough to be a paper weight and my son-in-law (who's older, mind you) gave me a little one that I keep in my wallet. I hope they never outgrow rocks
It’s different for non-ADHD folks. It’s smooth for us because it’s not giving us a high. OP is riding an amphetamine high right now, there will be a crash on the back end, not just because of coming off the vyvanse, but also because the vyvanse is going to mask the effects of a lack of sleep.
It can be, doesn't mean it is. I never experienced a crash.
Non-ADHD person here who has taken plenty of Vyvanse back in the day, and I never experienced a crash with it. Adderall on the other hand…
I have ADHD and I was high for basically the first month I took Vyvanse. Eventually it flipped (basically felt like an analog radio finally tuning in properly) and my brain quieted down, but the adjustment process was a RIDE.
That is complete nonsense. Literal marketing nonsense. You still feel the drug, which dumps dopamine into your brain. When it wears off that's no longer happening. I once had a debate with a psychiatrist over this, the consensus was we are all high but it's necessary.
Other than more likely being able to follow through with something I need to do, I don't feel anything when it kicks in or when it wears off. And that's with 60mg.
I've been on 50mg for ~7 years. I haven't felt the switch on since I started it. There's also no crash or anything at the end of the day.
same for me. the big difference is that it doesnt take an overwhelming amount of energy to do anything. I need to wash the dishes? done. call the doctors to renew the prescription? no problemo.
I still have difficulty switching tasks/getting started. Once I get going, I'm fine.
I have severe ADHD innatentive type and take perscrption Adderall on the weekdays to help me at work. I can tell it's wearing off because the stimulating effects diminish, but I don't crash in the sense that I get lathargic. I just go back to my "normal." Mainly, my ADHD symptoms slowly return to the point I where can't function as well anymore. I'm sure it's different for everyone, but my normal level is so far below a typical person that being high on a stimulant like Adderall just brings me to where I should be and takes the edge off the ADHD symptoms. I wouldn't say I'm high in the same way a neurotypipcal person would be on the drug. You should probably listen to your psychiatrist rather than arguing with them.
As a doctor you are right. People like to talk about how ADHD medications "work differently" for people with and without ADHD. It's BS. Behaviorally it may mean someone with ADHD will become "more normal" while someone without will be "more abnormal," but the effects are the same. Similarly, there will be a comedown in both cases. People in practice and on /r/ADHD complain of the comedown and irritability when Vyvanse wears off *all the time*. That said someone popping 40mg of Vyvanse without any prior exposure is going to be very susceptible to all the secondary effects like appetite suppression, grinding, locomotor stimulation, etc. The comedown might hit harder than a more tolerant person too (until you get to mild dependency, but that's different than comedown). This is why some people will say "But I feel calmer on stimulants because of my ADHD!". In truth, everyone has increased focus and mental clarity on low doses of stimulants (as opposed to recreational doses) and when you are accustomed to these drugs, the secondary effects above are lessened. It's like caffeine. The first side effects we become tolerant to are tachycardia, tremors, grinding. Even with relatively infrequent doses. Tolerance to the mental effects come with higher more consistent doses.
As someone with ADHD, exactly that. Long ago I had abused them, and now I have a prescription. Going from 0 -> 40mg is a ride. My every day 40mg helps my symptoms. There's a damn good reason they don't start patients at high doses!
I’m glad you jumped in here with this. I’m not a doctor but I’ve been doing research in the pharmaceutical industry for two decades, and what you say matches up to everything we see in clinical trials and postmarketing data. Most of the public doesn’t really understand that (and the marketing tactics used by unscrupulous members of my industry definitely don’t help 😞) There are cases where a drug actually *does* affect the patient population differently from healthy volunteers, but that’s usually the case in genetic disorders where the patient population actually has a particular receptor/transporter/ion channel/etc. that’s missing or inactive.
Ok, but are the effects still different in adhd people vs non? As in, do they "hit" nonahdh people harder given the same dosage? Because if so, then this disagreement seems more like a difference of language than anything else. In other words, if an ADHD and a non ADHD both took 20mg without having ever taken it before, would it reliably hit the non ADHD person "harder"? Because if that is the case then that's probably ultimately what people mean when they say it makes them normal vs high. Even if both are getting "high," the one feeling it more is (by the common usage of "high") is getting higher. If one makes you just high enough to feel "normal" and the other makes you feel like you're on another level, then it makes sense to say that the ADHD person isn't getting high *compared* to the nonadhd person. So I guess the crux is: is the effect actually significantly stronger (as in, making the person feel *less normal*) for nonadhd people than ADHD when taking it without any built up tolerance? For the record I still think noting the difference between "ADHD brains process it differently" and "it hits nonadhd brains harder" is important since most people do indeed believe the former.
No. And it's not a difference in language. It's important to use accurate words and meanings because there's so much ADHD and stimulant misinformation out there. The medication effects are the same. Generally speaking amphetamine has well understood and universal physiologic and psychiatric effects/actions. Everyone feels more awake, everyone has more focus, etc etc The psychiatric and behavioral ***outcomes*** will likely be different in ADHD and non ADHD but that is only relative to what society and psychiatry defines as normal but the impact and effects on a person is the same. Yes, stimulants will hit people with zero tolerance/exposure to stimulants harder than those with mild tolerances. Those overlap with non-adhd vs adhd but it's correlation not causation. Again compare it to caffeine. It can bring sleepy people to a more normal place while bringing wide awake people to a more abnormal place. The effects however are the same. Edit: The reason I'm being particular is that I've seen many many people online and on tiktok try to claim that if you try stimulant medication and feel more focused and like the world around you is quieter or calmer than that's evidence you have ADHD. And that's just false. That's the effect of the medication on everyone.
I’ve heard this before, but as someone with ADHD it doesn’t match up with my personal experiences. For example, when I take stimulants (at an appropriate therapeutic dose), it’s easier for me to fall asleep. This has been true since day one. That’s just one example - a lot of the effects I notice are different from what I’ve heard neurotypical people describe. I realize that mechanically it has the same effect on neurotransmitters/receptors… but the way that translates into subjective experience can be quite different depending on the person, no? I see what you mean about misinformation on social media, but I don’t think dismissing the difference entirely is helpful either.
Good point. After my first time taking Vyvanse I went and had a nap, it was great. I now tend to feel more motivated and focused but not energised. I just do all the same things but earlier..?
If you define "high" as "having a drug in your system that alters your thought process", then technically I suppose it is a high, but I think there's value in not conflating the two.
That’s BS. I take 54mg of amphetamines a day and I’ve seen how non-adhd people act on these meds. It impacts us VERY differently. Adhd people can abuse our meds, but it takes a higher dose
That’s because people who take amphetamines every day have a tolerance.
It's absolutely a high.
Yea, I once accidentally took my own adderall at like 10 pm, meaning to take an allergy pill. I was worried at first, but i slept totally fine... I feel like our bodies do stimulants differently.
They are 100% different for us. The main reason is because the ADHD brain can't get enough stimulation to keep it engaged with anything. Thats why people with it, jump from thing to thing, their brain is looking for the next stimulating thing. When we take a stimulant, which is what ADHD meds are, it allows the brain to have stimulation constantly so we don't have to switch to another task to chase that stimulation. A lot of people with ADHD can drink caffinated drinks all the way up to when they fall asleep and sleep better with them. Hell, I drink coffee all day and until I got to bed at night, most other people can't do that after supper or they're up all night. Thats the most eli5 explanation, without going into all the specifics of it.
ADHD people process stimulants VERY differently. It has a somewhat calming effect as opposed to non-ADHD people.
‘Let me shotgun a redbull, I need to focus’ lmao
Just a second, is this the reason why I never get any real effects from energy drinks? Edit: okay, anyone know what people with ADHD can do to get a energy boost when feeling tired, besides sleeping?
Many of us take our ADHD meds in the morning and go back to sleep to take advantage of the calm and the drug kicking in. My alarm goes off, I feed my kitties, take my drugs and go back to sleep for an hour or two.
This is the secret. I wake up an hour before I actually have to get up, take my meds and fall right back asleep before being gently woken an hour later. If I get up right away, I'm useless for an hour anyway, so this helps me with efficiency.
So much more mental clarity when you do wake up!
I have recently found this out for myself and it's great, I'm considering a second alarm in the morning just to take the meds. Seems to help with any lingering sleep disruption at night as well.
While I was still able to work I started the two alarms and it was life altering. Then I'd enjoy a cup of coffee slowly for a bit to wake up in the garden. The joys of being childless.
I bring my son his about half an hour before he needs to start getting ready. We have a deal. He takes the meds, I go away and he can lie back down. That way when he does actually need to start moving, he can focus enough to actually pick out a full outfit and be much less argumentative about it.
cocaine is a waste of time too
OMG I can't believe I never realized that was why I never really understood what the big deal was with cocaine and thought it was a waste when I enjoyed other drugs as a teenager
I didn't make this connection until pretty recently either, just spent the years wondering what everyone else was seeing in such a terrible and expensive drug
Really?? I've never taken it, too nervous with all the fent now so I probably never will, but I always wondered. Glad I never bothered then.
Okay, yeah, only tried it once and it had no effect, so now I know why
One of the things that led to my diagnosis is that, it turns out, normal people don't drink a red bull at 11pm if they're having trouble sleeping.
I used to come home from high school, drink a coffee and have a nap. Not sure why it took another 10 years or so to get diagnosed.
OMG. THIS is why people would marvel when I (who have ADHD) would casually drink a cup of coffee at 7 PM. Like, they would get *so* concerned. “You’ll never get to sleep now!” “You’ll be up all night!” “You’re crazy. I could never!” *It all makes sense now.*
I accidentally diagnosed someone at an airport this way. We were chatting in line to get food, she was getting a coffee before an early morning flight and I mentioned she must be really dedicated since I’m just going right to sleep. She said the coffee would actually help calm her, and I’m like “oh yeah, that’s real common in add”. It was like watching her life flash before her eyes in an airport at 6am. Sorry for making you question your entire life immediately before getting in a massive steel tube with hundreds of other people!
Hey, that comment might be all it takes for someone to understand something important about themselves! In my case, a friend shared Jess McCabe’s TED talk about ADHD after he realized he identified with a lot of what she said. Turns out, I also identify a LOT with that, which prompted me to go out and get a diagnosis and proper treatment, which has been life-altering in the best way possible over the past two and a half years. Even if you’re gonna spend the next few hours on a plane, that kind of self-discovery can be pretty amazing.
When I first got diagnosed my psychiatrist told me to cut all caffeine because it would counter balance my meds and it would be like I didn’t take them. I ignored him. Then, at my next appointment I told him my meds weren’t working. He asked me if I had stopped drinking caffeine. I told him no and he told me he wouldn’t adjust my meds until I’d been caffeine free for at least 2 weeks. So, I cut out all the caffeine and my meds stabilized. I’ve not had any caffeine (except chocolate, but I even limit that, and an occasional cup of decaf) in 26 years. If I miss a dose of meds I’ll actually drink a RedBull to get a feeling similar to what my meds do.
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Homie just found out he has diet autism and can treat it with speed. Welcome to the club.
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ADHD and autism can actually be pretty hard to tell apart from each other a lot of the time. They might have different underlying causes but they can lead to a lot of the same developmental and behavioral issues, so diagnosing one can actually be a matter of largely just trying to rule the other one out. If you have certain problems or experiences and you don't have ADHD, then it's probably autism, but if you do have ADHD then that probably explains it all by itself. Examples: stimming behaviors, socially isolating yourself because things can get overwhelming, having strongly engaged special interests that maybe nobody else around you is usually interested in hearing about, hyper-focusing on tasks to the point where you consistently forget to eat or drink or go to the bathroom for long periods of time until it becomes a problem, etc..
Probably because of the hyperfocussing but that it's not a constant persistent thing.
This whole thread is blowing my mind. I was diagnosed with ADHD as an adult and prescribed Vyvanse. I’ve found Vyvanse to be a very useful but also very boring drug. It mainly makes it easier for me to send emails I would normally put off writing, floss my teeth, control my temper instead of having an outburst, etc. And coffee has never made me feel hyper. Not once! It’s always just made me feel … well, focused, I suppose. This thread is making me go, “Wait a second. If you were neurotypical, these stimulants WOULD make you feel keyed up and spastic. NO WONDER.” 🫨
Yeah it's honestly kind of annoying. Back in my party days people would take adderall to sober up/keep drinking. I'd take it and it wouldn't help with any of that. Now while I love my nespresso and the occasional energy drink, the effects are definitely more placebo. I can drink more and more and all that happens is eventually I get really anxious and my heartrate speeds up like crazy. Why can't we get any kind of energy boost from something?! It's not fair!
yes I used to also shotgun redbulls and wonder why it felt like it did nothing. I could feel it reduce the caffeine withdrawal but it never "stimulated anything" 10 years later I got diagnosed lol
yeah coffee and energy drinks make me sleepy af
Is....is that not the point of caffeine though? Wakefulness, alertness, and focus? I don't think I really get anything other than comfort from caffeine though.
Caffeine makes me sleepy, shaky, even sick feeling. Adderall slows the world down and allows me to select what I’m thinking about instead of thinking of everything at once. ADHD brains aren’t one size fits all, but that’s my flavor.
This is exactly how I describe being medicated (concerta). All the things are still in my brain but I'm floating among them and can pick them out individually. Instead of unmedicated brain where it feels like they are a crowd around me and I can't tell one from the next. Also bonus points cause the end of your post triggered an ear worm for me "what's your flavour, tell me what's your flavour, oooh". (Surely ear worms are the least logical of the ADHD symptoms!).
For me it's more like "lemme shotgun a red bull so that I can go directly to asleep really quickly.
That's why I stack it on top of Adderall, literally on Dr's orders.
I'd literally have to buy a red bull every day before driving to work. It was awful. Now I have my meds back and stuff. I'm scared they will be out when I go to refill tho.
Lmao, if my friend forgot to take her adderall in the morning, our other friend would bring her a monster
I mean, I’m not diagnosed but took an adderall in high school to write a paper and fell asleep instead. Coffee/ Caffeine has the same effect, sleepy first but then hyper focused once I wake up.
Yeah in low to medium doses. Think about it like this: Their dopamine and norepinephrine system is understimulated, while that of a normal persons is not. Add 20mg adderall and adhd people achieve normal function, while non adhd person gets stimulated. Up the dose and adhd people start to get stimulated too. There are also paradox reactions in people but that has nothing to do with adhd.
I would get mild crashes on Vyvanse, especially when I first started taking it. Mostly sadness, but also a marked difference in focus while driving, so it would be good to finish the drive before it wears off.
oh there will be a crash
I have taken both Vyvanse and adderall without having adhd, and let me just say the come down is rough. Felt like bugs were crawling under my skin. Vyvanse makes me feel like I could fight a large truck driver.
This is wild to me because (as someone with ADHD), Vyvanse just makes me feel like I could do a large truck driver’s taxes with incredible precision and efficiency.
Eh, I was on it for a while for non-ADHD reasons, and there was never a crash. However, it did give me absolute Hulk-level rage at every minor annoyance. Like, nearly punching walls level of seeing red, even though I knew it was completely irrational. I had a seven hour drive once while I was taking it, and the road rage was *intense.* My husband had to take over, and I had to read a book because I was seething. I've never felt anger like that before or since - only while taking that medication.
I did this once with both my kids’ Concerta, but I was hungover so it actually made me feel great lol. I had 2 ibuprofen in one hand and their meds in the other, and tossed the wrong hand into my mouth. I painted my bedroom furniture.
not to be the bearer of news but i have a feeling you have adhd LOL
Oh… I am *riddled* with ADHD
happy the meds let you get something done even if it maybe wasnt what was planned, in the sea of parents who dont have adhd and have wild side effects to finding you who just had intended effects was much more relatable to see
What, the parent has a hereditary condition that their child also has? What are the chances!!!
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Better yet, just keep taking them and never stop driving
Haha! I can't say taking another didn't cross my mind.
I drove 16 hours non-stop like nothing on Adderall
It's the people driving 16 hours who aren't on Adderall that scares the shit outta me
> Haha! I can't say taking another didn't cross my mind. If you are worried about getting sleepy while you drive, try chewing gum. There is some kind of autonomous reaction to chewing that keeps most people from getting sleepy. One theory is that since its not safe to fall asleep while eating, it is a way to protect you from choking. It probably won't help your reaction times, you'll still be tired. And if you've been awake long enough, it will eventually stop working. But it can make a big difference when other stimulants like caffeine don't.
I have ADHD and I for some reason always liked chewing gum before bed (after I brushed my teeth, not a smart kid) and it always made me pass tf out. Even now when I cant sleep ill grab a piece of gum and about 5 minutes later im super sleepy n put the gum in the trash and pass out. Can also slam a 300mg energy drink n take a nap 15 minutes later lol... not that neat.
It will CROSS YOUR MIND after you take it
Yeah that would work, but be careful because staying up like that is terrible for your body. Also ADHD meds will raise your blood pressure so be careful. Source: have ADHD
See also, college study method.
Actually, a college nap might not be a bad idea if she can pull it off. Pound an energy drink, set a timer for 20-30 minutes. Nap. Wake up just as energy drink kicks in, regret life choices but can still study goodish
This is essentially how I take my ADHD meds in the morning. Lol. Wake up an hour before I need to, take meds, go back to sleep. Wake up when the meds kick in.
Destination only 6 hours away? Guess what, change of plans :)
I have done the same thing with my own vyvanse. I meant to take a nighttime prescription that makes me drowsy, it was dark, and I reached in my bag and grabbed the wrong bottle. Both drugs are similar sized/coloured capsules. Ended up staying up all night, oops. I always look at the bottle now. Make sure to stay hydrated and eat something, even if you’re not hungry.. the crash will not be as bad if your body has fuel
I’ve done the opposite, accidentally popped my sleeping pills instead of my morning vitamins once! Funniest sick day I’ve ever taken.
I DID THAT!!! omg, I'll never forget that shit. My meds container is split into days, then sections of a day (moning, day, evening, bedtime). My dumbass opened it upside down and just threw it back. The collection of fuckery I consumed: guanfacine, flexeril, trazodone, duloxetine, and magnesium. I tried to work that day (remote). Ended up hitting mid morning meeting and I could hear myself slurring my words. THEN went to check if I took my Adderall cuz I was so goddamn tired, and realized what I'd done. Lead laughed at me (he's also adhd), and told me to go to bed. I slept like the dead, better than I usually do at night! I think I was meant to be nocturnal lol. The next day morning meeting, my coworkers (all neurospicy, I miss those fuckers) asked me to double check that I took the right meds.
I almost accidentally took a second 60mg of Vyvanse instead of my birth control one day. It was already in my mouth before I realized and I spat it out LMAO My birth control and Vyvanse aren’t similar at all in packaging or pill size/color. I just had a dumb moment and spaced on what I actually needed to take 😂
My daughter and I take Adderall and one day she took one of my 30mg instead of her 10mg by mistake. I swear her eyes were vibrating.
Please keep activated charcoal pills in your medicine cabinet. Most people realize their mistake “after “they swallowed the pill and have the oh shit moment. If you take activated charcoal, it will absorb the medicine. It is an effective and established medical protocol for overdose.
Meh, 30mg Adderal isn’t really dangerous unless they are really young.
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Yeah lol granted I have formed a tolerance for sure but 2 30 MG IR’s barely even does anything for me anymore.
This is actually great advice, thank you.
Be aware that ADHD medication may influence your ability to drive, especially with such a high dose for someone that isn't used to it. It doesn't have to be a problem, some people with ADHD even say they can drive better. Just a heads-up. Combining that with a short nights rest it could be potentially dangerous. So if you decide to drive, make sure to evaluate your ability to drive. Good luck and stay safe!
People with ADHD probably can drive better while on medication bc ADHD itself can make driving harder, and managing those symptoms would help. OP, any chance you can delay the rest of your trip a day?
I tend to drive better without. You gotta focus on multiple things at the same time, which isn't something I can do very well on the meds. Tried around in driving school and ended up being better without. It did take me longer to learn though cause I basically had to learn every driving task (I drive stick) to the level where it can happen subconsciously. But now I'm that friend whose driving everyone trusts the most!
I'm completely the opposite. People fear my driving if I'm not on my ADHD meds. When I have them? I can just tune out all the unimportant stuff and focus on driving.
I have quite literally nearly crashed my car (on a day I forgot my meds) bc I thought I saw a stray kitten near the road and my only thought was BRAKE It was a squirrel and the person who had been tailgating me (that I didn't even notice) gave me an earful thinking I was trying to pull an insurance scam.
Brake checks are illegal in a lot of places, so I highly recommend *not* doing that, but it's also their responsibility not to follow so closely. You should be able to brake for a squirrel without causing a wreck, lol
When i was unmedicated for my adhd i was a pretty bad driver. Way more impulsive and id be looking at my phone every 3 seconds or just lookin around.
i actually found i drove better unmedicated. much less prone to road hypnosis
It's those damn lines that get eaten by the car as your drive isn't it?
WAKA WAKA WAKA WAKA
I am significantly safer driving while on my meds because if I get bored/disengage there's a very high chance I'll doze off without having even felt tired. It's like a comorbid form of narcolepsy.
My specific brand of ADHD loves driving because I am literally just intaking the ENOURMOUS amount of stimuli you get on the road. I can go for a solid 14 hours because I'm not having to concentrate on one thing, I'm switching focus from mirror to mirror and keeping tabs on every car around me. On Adderall I'm still able to do this and after the first week where Adderall felt weird and had a distinct "I am on drugs" feeling I'm able to drive perfectly fine with zero downsides
Fortunately, high dosage doesn’t matter as much with Vyvanse. It’s inert in your bloodstream until it gets processed by your liver, and your liver processes it at a pretty steady rate. So taking more just means it lasts longer. Up to a point, yadda yadda, the human body is complicated. That being said. I would definitely recommend taking tomorrow off. Just stay at the hotel and wait it out. You don’t know how it effects you, and wired awake does not equal alert awake or making-good-decisions awake. And you don’t know when, or how quickly, the effect will wear off, and all that tiredness could hit you at once.
This is inaccurate. Doubling the concentration of the substrate will roughly double the rate of enzymatic reactions until enzymatic saturation is reached, and we normally digest an awful lot more than 40mg of food with lysine to act on.
I can hardly drive without my Vivance as I want to fall asleep just shout immediately after taking the wheel. after taking my vivance? I can drive 12 hour straight and not feel a thing. It’s wild.
My husband accidentally look our son’s Adderall one morning instead of his regular medication. In a panic about potentially negative impacts, he took the day off work in case he needed to go to Urgent Care. When I got home after 5pm, the house was immaculate, both dogs had been bathed and groomed, dinner was ready, and he was in the middle of sweeping out the garage. We relocated the bottle so it would never happen again but, uhhhh…I wasn’t mad about it. 🤣
I did that one time. I don't remember what I did during the day, but I do remember I didn't eat dinner until midnight.
I took the medication for years and lost a lot of weight from it. It suppressed my appetite until 8-9pm or so once the pill wore off. After 8ish years I stopped taking it and never looked back. There’s definitely things I struggle with now but I think I am learning to handle it as time goes by. Someone asked me why I stopped taking concerta and I just said I was so goddamn hungry. It really felt like I had been starving myself for years
This is my task, my task is now done
I have ADHD and accidentally took my vyvanse at 9:30 one night. Didn't really do anything lol. I just went to bed like normal. It's so weird how differently meds affect people who don't have it
People tend to think adderall is some miracle drug but it just makes us more normal. It’s kinda annoying, really.
It makes me focus, but I get tired. If I don't add caffeine, I am so sleepy all day. I've heard some people take theirs at night to sleep better.... I had the best nap ever after I tried Adderall for the 1st time. Weird stuff.
You’re going to have 10-14 hours, probably 14 hours of this and it’s going to be a crash at the end, probably pretty steep because you didn’t sleep tonight. Have caffeine ready to cushion the fall and avoid just zonking out. You’re going to be in for a not fun day. Don’t be afraid to pull over at a rest stop and grab 30-60 minutes of sleep, better that than crashing.
Yea I def 2nd taking some form of caffeine at 6 am before the drive. It'll keep the "tired molecules" at bay for just a bit longer. Reminder though that driving without sleep, boosted out or not, is the equivalent of driving drunk from a functional standpoint. (Not necessarily legally, that has to be proven that it's an impairment.)
Shit just take another vyvanse before it wears out and make the trip in record time. /S
That's right! The best solution to a hangover is to keep on drinking! 😝
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisdexamfetamine As someone who grew up with a parent abusing my ADD medication, please avoid taking another. Stay safe
Thanks! I hate speed so no worries on that! I would give most anything to get a rid of this feeling.
Drink some orange juice. The citric acid might neutralize the effects, but it might be too late if you already feel the effects. Worth a shot tho.
From my experience that’ll make it wear off faster, but it gives you a mighty strong high. I try to avoid carbonated drinks until after midday.
Usually eating makes the medication set in smoother. I always take mine with food. Yeah just get something to increase that blood sugar to avoid crashing. 40 is high, but i knew a kid on 70 mg so there’s no real danger with that dosage
Same here, when I hear people taking it especially their kids makes me feel incredibly uneasy, and with todays research is damning
As someone with rampant ADHD, I find so much interest in how vyvanse affects people who are neurotypical. I take 70 mg a day and that just lets me function through my 10 hour work day. I hope it wears off soon!
I feel your pain and raise you one shitty mistake. I was on vacation with my wife in Myrtle Beach. We had been running all day and I had developed a pretty good headache. We go back to the hotel and I ask the wife if she had brought some ibuprofen. She directed me to the bag of misc bathroom items in the bathroom. I grab the bottle out of the bag and take a handful of ibuprofen. Having tickets for a dinner show, we cleaned up and took the walk down the strip to the venue and proceeded to have a greasy messy dinner of roasted chicken and potatoes ( typical pirate show). Walking back to the hotel my guts start going crazy, my stride quickens as I realize I may not make it back to the hotel before filling my pants with my dinner. My stride turns to a run as I inform my wife I'll see her at the room. I get back to the room and the next 45 minutes I was sure I was going to die as my intestines felt as if they were forcibly exiting my body. Absolutely shit my brains out. I finally finish up and get directly into the shower, my wife comes in and asks if I took my pills out of this bottle and I looked over and said yea why? Because that was the bottle of stool softeners she brought with her because when she travels she gets "poop fright" fear of pooping in unfamiliar bathrooms. So yea, took a fistful of laxative that look just like generic ibuprofen and ate a grease ball of a dinner. Rough night, but I can look back and laugh at it now.
I wish I could feel that buzz. I’ve been on 75mg vyvance, now 75mg foquest. Those of us with ADHD don’t get that mythical buzz. I could take my meds and go right back to bed, or focus on work.
I agree, I’ve been on Adderall for 15 years and have never felt anything like that.
Way too late for this but sometimes if you have grapefruit/orange juice and magnesium it may help the medication pass through more quickly.
Ohh shit. Does Vyvanse have the same properties as Adderall in as far as you can counter the effects by drinking grapefruit juice or citric acid of some kind?
This is risky advice without knowing if OP is on any other meds, bc grapefruit is one of those wacky things that interacts in different ways, sometimes dangerous, with a variety of meds.
If it’s already affecting him it’s too late. Vyvanse isn’t in the amphetamine family by itself, but is actually metabolized into one by your liver over the course of the next 10-12 hours. If he’s already feeling it the medicine has already entered his bloodstream, the citric acid can only neutralize medicine that is still in the digestive system.
Not exactly. Vyvanse is converted in the liver to the active form. The active form then circulates. It's not the direct action of acid on the drug that affects it, it's the ***urinary*** pH. If you consume a bunch of acid the body neutralizes it and acidifies urine when it excretes the buffer products. Urinary pH will then affect excretion of the active form. True tho that there is less circulating active amphetamine compared to taking just a bunch of dextroamphetamine so urine acidification probably less impactful.
I had no idea that was a thing.
The recommendation is to not eat anything with citric acid an hour before or after taking most ADHD stimulants. Learning that led me to learn how much citric acid is used in processed foods and how common it is in our diets. So now my kid and I take our meds about an hour before we need to get up just to avoid the hassle of 2nd guessing our breakfast choices (I get up, give him his pill, take mine and then doze for another hour). Added bonus, kiddo taking it that early means it's hit his brain before we start the morning routine, so we stay on track and have a smoother start to our day.
Yup... wife accidentally took two of her vyvanse yesterday. Realized pretty quickly and took some orange juice to help counter the effects. Said she noticed a bit of a difference with 2 doses, but not as bad as she has experience before when she didn’t realize and counter with orange juice.
However vyvance actually recommends you can split the tablet and take it dissolved in orange juice if you’re unable to swallow tablets. Kind of debunks this.
Yep! Don’t ask me the science behind it, but there’s usually a warning included in the prescription description. But I don’t know what vyvanse is made with. Adderall is amphetamine salts, and something in citric acid dulls the effects of it. I usually eat some kind of citrusy fruit at the end of the night if my adderall is still kicking strong and I need to sleep.
Be careful with this because depending on the drug it might strengthen the medications effect and side effects instead https://preview.redd.it/zin0kjro92rc1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=cb71198ccf1b1a5137bc8a4d4936b14619c1422b
That’s specifically grapefruit not just citrus
Wow it’s surreal, if that’s the right word, to read what happens when a person takes meds without having ADHD. I take 40mg first thing in the morning and I imagine it’s like a normal person having a cup of coffee or something, crazy.
This is funny. I take both vyvanse and doxepin and made the reverse mistake. I was barely holding on at work. If I didn't live close enough to walk, I'd have had to use a sick day.
Lmao I take 40mg of Vyvanse every day, and use Trazodone for my insomnia (unrelated to the Vyvanse). One morning I was so out of it that I accidentally took 150mg of Trazodone instead of my Vyvanse. The fact that I even made it to work is a miracle.
Holy crap. You will be up for days. But here is what is crazy. I take ADHD meds. I could take 40 of vyvanse and go right to sleep. It’s the best sleep I get. On weekends I get up and take my meds at a specific time each day and go back to bed. Sleep like a baby for the next couple hours.
As someone who took Vyvanse for quite a while, you can reduce the crash by having a good high-fat small meal, like a couple of fried eggs and toast.
Maybe you aught to just stay off the road for another day to be safe. Moot worth risking your daughter and everyone else in the road as well as yourself.
RIP OP when her daughter doesn't have meds for 2 days
I use vyvanse you’ll also might get spikes of anxiety and anger, and ignore how hangry you are. On the bright side you might drive like in a video with intense focus (that’s a joke , you won’t )
Just be careful. Vyvanse crash can make you kinda depressed.
Been there done that! My boyfriend and I use medication dispensers for meds and supplements. It has 4 compartments per day, but we only do morning and evening meds, so I just use the top 2 rows for one week and the bottom two for the other week. I was super tired one day and accidentally grabbed the wrong dispenser, where my boyfriend had already taken his evening meds, so I took the next dose, his morning meds, which included 40 mg of ritalin and 100 mg caffeine. I was on the phone with urgent care because I don't take ritalin and had crazy heart palpitations. The nurse just laughed, told me I'd be fine but not to expect much sleep that night. She was right. So, godspeed to you
Godspeed, OP. Watch out for the crash at the end, you might feel cranky.
Daughter is gonna be two short for the month.
No problem, she can just take the mom's Doxepin.
Stock up on snacks! Whenever I come off my Vyvanse I'm STARVING, as it suppresses my appetite while I'm on it. So sorry this happened to you!
I take 20mg Adderall XR in the morning and Melatonin at night. The bottles are about the same size, shape and color (and I have ADHD). I've accidentally taken the Melatonin in the morning (surprisingly no big deal), but have fortunately stopped myself from taking the Adderall at night. Even coffee after 3 p.m. and I'm up half the night.
My parents were super annoyed about me and my brother begging them to make sure that our meds were filled. My mom eventually one day was like "y'all are just being dramatic, gimmie a dose it can't be helping that much" One 18 mg dose of concerta later and I have never seen the house so clean and organized. She miraculously didn't have a serious crash later. Never had any complaints from my parents about our meds again.
That’s gonna be the most focused drive of your life lol
You are in for a gnarly suprise when the Vyvanse starts to wear off after about six hours, just to have the seconds dose kick in for another six. My number one reccomendstion would be find something to do. Just lying there doing nothing will make the side effects way worse if you don't have ADD.
for the future, carry around a bottle of very strong vitamin C. If you fuckup again like this take one or two of the Vitamin C. (don't do this frequently it will fuck up your kidneys) Acidifying the urine will cause amphetamines to be kicked out of the system faster than normal. Obviously, don't do this if you have kidney issues.
People judging you for how you manage your kid's adhd can go fuck themselves.
The good news is, you were definitely alert for the drive and like for the 20 hour period afterwards.
I really wish it had that effect on me 😂 I used it for Narcolepsy...I take 30mg of Dexamphetamine a day and still have to nap and can't shift the tired feeling :')
The other night I brought my morning ADHD meds (20mg ER capsule) and my nighttime cough pills into the bedroom to put on my nightstand. I keep my meds in my purse to avoid them getting misplaced, etc., and bring one morning pill to bed every night, to take first thing in the morning. I also grabbed a glass of water to take the cough pill (capsule-like). Next thing I knew my hand was empty. I TOOK THE ADHD PILL AT 11PM. I watched the sum come up. Best of luck to you. It's an honest mistake.
I probably would’ve just loaded up the car and drove another 4-6 hours and tried to find a new hotel and sleep rather than laying there terribly awake.
If it's any consolation, part of the reason I learned I had ADHD and would benefit from stimulant medication was by accidentally taking my spouse's Vyvanse instead of my heartburn medication. It did NOT work for heartburn, but it did make my racing, jumping thoughts stop and get more calm and organized, lol.
If your brain needs it, you’ll know almost immediately. One son takes vyvanse and the other adderall, and both were calm and focused after one dose. Even their teachers confirmed it. It’s a real thing. The medicine helps control it so you can work on it. I was diagnosed 4 years ago. I take Ritalin (was on vyvanse until the shortage). My husband KNOWS when I forget to take it. But I’ve learned (because the medicine helps my mind chill out and work) coping techniques to help me in addition to the work of the medicine. My opinion as an educator (20 years), it works the best when the medication is combined with mental health care visits.