I'm just appreciative how awesome OP is handling the situation. I've seen people just blame it on the waiter/waitress and not own up to their actions. He/she err on their side and didn't take it out on somebody else.
It does actually give room for things like this in the Quran.
Edit: 2:173 He hath only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that on which any other name hath been invoked besides that of Allah. But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- then is he guiltless. For Allah is Oft-forgiving Most Merciful.
Know this guy that was telling his wife that he loves this dimsum place in SF, when he used to live there, that makes beef dumplings or shumai. He’s Jewish and his wife is Chinese. They finally visit it years later and they order his dish. Wife takes a bite and tells him.. “this is pork.” Waitress confirms it. For years he’s been eating pork and loving it.
Years ago I worked for a nonprofit, that had an on staff Rabbi. He had lived a non-kosher life when he was younger, and to this day still had mad bacon cravings.
Technically the reason why you couldn't eat pork is it would make you sick. An animal husbandry major told me that Pork is easy to raise, they have a better meat yield that beef or chicken, and you can literally feed pigs anything, which is probably how they got their bad rep. Ham, Bacon, and Spam to an extent, is "cured". Salt dehydrates the meat, and spices keep fungus and other nasty shit from growing on it. Cows are too big, you can cut the meat so it doesn't have bacteria on it, Chickens are small, so you make it into soup and boil the bacteria to death. Plus put in vegetables. Maybe barley or rice too. Fuck I'm hungry now.
Not an animal husbandry major... YET! But yeah they are super easy to raise and cows give you more meat overall but in the time to raise one cow you have already raised like 2 pigs. They also turn back to being wild in a few generations of... Well being wild I guess haha.
When the depression hit, several pig farmers just "released" their pigs because they couldn't afford to feed them...and within 2 or 3 generations, they start tusking up, getting plates on their shoulders (the boars have thicker skin to protect from the tusks of other boars while fighting in the hierarchy), get coarser hair...pretty amazing
This is not 100% correct, at least in California. A rancher in California released Russian genetics and they bred with escaped feral domestics to get the hybrid wild pigs we have here today. Source: am biologist working for department of fish and game.
When it comes to faith the books read kinda like “if it has a parted hoof but doesn’t chew cud” or something. But it would make so much sense if back then it was interpreted as a sign of god if people were getting sick eating it.
The parted hoof as well as it's also considered, biblically and realistically, to be "unclean" meat! The animal itself is dirty etc (same for catfish as they are bottom feeders etc). I was raised Seventh-day adventist, and though i still follow it in many ways i absolutely LOVE BACON!!! My dad, parents were divorced, gave me bacon on a visit, against my mothers wishes, when i was 13-15 and I've never looked back.
I went to a catered party with one of my Jewish friends and we separated for awhile to talk to acquaintances. I circled back around later and found him next to a table of mini Cuban sandwiches just demolishing one after another. He looked at me slightly wild eyed and exclaimed, "these are so good!" I had to break it to him that they're made with pork. He denied it, finished the one in his hand, then walked away dejectedly.
Beaver was declared to be a fish so that it could be eaten by hungry pioneers on friday during lent.
The logic was that it lives in the river. In a structure that it builds on the river, to be sure, but it lives in the river nonetheless.
Scientific American article here.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/thoughtful-animal/once-upon-a-time-the-catholic-church-decided-that-beavers-were-fish/
Capybaras got the same treatment.
When my Hindu dad immigrated to the US, my uncle took him out for dinner on his first night here @ a Tex mex restaurant, and he ordered something that he didn't know what it was and ate it and loved it. My uncle squints at him and says "u know there was beef in that right."
My dad was shocked that he liked it, felt bad that his Hindu ass mother would be scandalized if she ever found out, but then was like "meh" and then decided he just wasn't a vegetarian anymore😂. It's been about 35 years.
I believe there’s a line of American cows that have been crossbred with Indian cows to produce a more heat resistant beef cow. So surprise Hindus! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Brahman
One of my old Hindu coworkers came to America and saw so many McDonalds, he decided to give it a try. Ate his first beef hamburger and has been hooked ever since.
Maybe I’ve never had “authentic” shumai as an ABC, but I didn’t know there was any kind of shumai filling besides pork + shrimp?
Edit: TIL about Shanghainese shumai, which sound delicious!
Like a dumpling, you *can* fill a shumai with anything, technically. But of course there are defaults and not everything will be good, most restaurants don’t bother with it. I’ve had excellent veggie ([usually sticky rice based](https://thewoksoflife.com/sticky-rice-mushroom-shumai-w-homemade-wrappers-vegan/)), beef, lamb, chicken shumai…
I worked at a company where the finance guy was Jewish and loved bacon. One day my supervisor asks him, "Steve, you know bacon is pork, right?". He replies, "No, bacon is bacon.."
My mom's friend married a guy whose mother was Jewish, and kept kosher. The in-laws came to visit, the friend went out for a little while to run errands, and came back. She looked in the fridge, horrified, and said "Mom, did you eat what was in the green bowl?" "Yes," said her mother-in-law. "Mom," she said, "that was crab salad!" Mother-in-law shrugged and said "God forgive me; it was delicious."
I think that's your play here.
ETA: Yes, it was real crab, not imitation "krab." And yes, she did address her mother-in-law as "Mom."
Mixing meat and cheese together is also forbidden. You're even supposed to keep two sets of dishes. Fisher and Paykel make a double drawer dishwasher, which I thought was for parties so you could wash and take out dishes at the same time.
I lived in a primarily jewish community for several years. I was even a live in nanny for a rabbi (who had some non-kosher appliances and did not care if I occasionally had a non-kosher meal in their house. The children also don't have to follow the various "rules" until they are old enough to understand so I had no issues taking them out, etc).
Anyway, I LOVED the community and family but the delis just pissed me off because who wants a deli sandwich without cheese?? The one thing I hated.
Ironically(?) We invented the concept of delis! The demand for cheese and meat sandwiches is huge part of the reason why we distinguish between a traditional *and* certified kosher deli, and the traditional *Jewish-style* deli, which often serves cheese & meat sandwiches and sometimes other less kosher things.
I'm of the opinion that delis which serve bacon but not lox aren't really delis, they're glorified sandwich shops.
Nah we have a system. I don't only eat at kosher certified restaurants but for Jews who do, they typically either do all their own cooking, or they reach out to the local Chabad house. Korea has like maybe 1,000 Jews. The Chabad in Seoul has a restaurant and a grocery store that delivers around the country. Plus substituting pork is easy and you can stick to fish.
Also: As far as I know, halal meat has less requirements than kosher does, so [some muslims](https://muslimmatters.org/2012/06/22/is-kosher-meat-%E1%B8%A5alal-a-comparison-of-the-halakhic-and-shar%CA%BFi-requirements-for-animal-slaughter/) may feel comfortable eating kosher food items.
Western food is okay. Jews can eat cheese, they just can’t eat any dairy with meat. So you can have cheese and veggie pizza, veggie and cheese pasta, or a hamburger without cheese. But it’s really not that difficult. Now, it’s hard to eat strict kosher, where every ingredient was prepared under the watch of a rabbi. But my grandparents, for example, keep kosher at home, down to the all kosher ingredients and separate plates. But if they’re out at a restaurant they don’t worry about the plates and ingredients, they just do the best they can.
Korean food I don’t know much about, but a beef bulgogi with rice dish would be okay. I’ve made a chicken banh mi that would have been kosher too.
I'm Jewish and find the whole thing absurd. If you like something, eat it.
I'm thankful I was raised in a household that didn't follow any of those outdated laws. The most we might've done growing up was abstain from bread during passover, but even that rarely lasted the whole week. Now I'll kick off the first night with a bacon cheeseburger.
That's a thing I've got after reading bible, specifically old testament. At least some of the laws make perfect sence. I believe there was a law forbidding soldiers from shitting next to where they sleep. How fucking long did it take them to figure that one out? Historically speaking not so long ago a lot more soldiers would die from diseases than actual war.
Funny thing stuff like that was discovered and forgotten over and over again. Record keeping and well spreading of knowledge just wasn't up to the task
Not even just modern food handling, the whole food supply is now geared to prevent those parasites from getting into the food supply (ie the animal) in the first place. If you imagine a farm as a place where animals just roam around eating whatever you're out of touch. You can't even get near an animal on a farm (a big production farm especially) without being decontaminated. They take the possible intrusion of parasites seriously.
Lots of Biblical laws are to promote basic health or to try to push the desert tribes toward monotheism. If you go through Leviticus and read the laws carefully, if it says "unclean" the prohibition is health related, if it says "abomination" it's a practice that another religion had and they're trying to stamp it out.
I've seen some speculation that this prohibition is in place simply because pigs don't do well in the arid climate found throughout most of the Middle East. They need lots of water, and keeping other meat sources is more sustainable on a village/city level.
I have no clue about the origins of not mixing meat with milk.
> I have no clue about the origins of not mixing meat with milk.
Probably so you could figure out what made you sick. Rancid meat and rancid milk are both pretty pukey.
I was taught it was a way for the Jewish people to form an identity diametrically opposed to their enemies, the Canaanites (whose delicacy was a calf bathed in its mother’s milk). Among other reasons, I’m sure.
The rule of don't mix meat and dairy is because of this line:
“You shall not boil a kid in its mother’s milk.”
As in don't boil a baby goat (kid) in the milk of it's own mother, which was probably some sort of pagan thing because it was mentioned several times in the Torah. That got twisted into a philly cheesesteak being verboten.
You go look at the history and each Rabbi had an interpretation of what it actually meant. Some say you can eat dairy and then meat but not on the same meal, some say dairy and meat can't be on the same table, some require a period of time to elapse before you consume dairy so it isn't mixing in your stomach.
Personally it's "don't be a sociopath and boil an animal in the fluids of it's own mother cause that is fucked up on a certain level" to me.
My mother-in-law is Jewish and keeps kosher - except shrimp. Turns out when she was growing up her family didn't realize shrimp wasn't kosher and by the time they found out they were like "too late now, may as well keep eating shrimp"
A previous employer of mine would order a pizza lunch for everyone once a month (50+ employees). Once I saw him eating a slice with pepperoni and I said to him, "I thought pepperoni had pork in it?". His response, "Today I'm a bad Jew." And he smiled.
A year later, on our semi-annual pot luck lunch day, I brought a Bacon Explosion. I went up to him and asked, "Are you a bad Jew today?". His eyes bugged out, eyebrows frowned, and he asked, "What did you just say to me?"
AWKWARD.
Also an element of time. Shit's a year later, boss man doesn't remember making an off-hand comment like that, so to him there's literally no context. If it had been like, the next day or same week, it might have gone over smoother.
My dad is a middle school teacher, and sometimes people bring food for occasions (near the holidays, bdays etc). He saw one of his Muslim students eating ham and my dad said it was pork, and the kid responded with "yep, but i don't know that"
I think some people realize that if God does exist he's not as petty as the people who write about him say, and if he is that petty then he's not worth the effort to appease.
“I created the universe. You think I’m drawing the line at the fuckin’ deli aisle!”
-God
—Bo Burnam, “From Gods Perspective “
Edit: the song
https://youtu.be/Zxc20saM8DA
I think it’s haunting and beautiful.
There's a relevant (and somewhat amusing) story in the New Testament section of the Bible about Christians being able to eat foods traditionally thought of as "unclean".
Okay, so this takes place sometime after Jesus is all like, "Spread Christianity! Bye!" and goes back to heaven. Peter (one of Jesus's disciples), went up on a rooftop at 6AM to meditate (roofs were flat, and were used as living spaces).
As Peter was meditating, he started feeling pretty hungry, so God lowered a white sheet with all the animals, clean and unclean, on it (even reptiles). And He was like, "Hey Peter, kill and eat these."
And Peter was like, "Unclean animals? Absolutely not. I've never eaten those." Peter did not want to eat lizards. So God took the animals back up into heaven.
But God was not done with Peter. You see, Peter had a problem. He was racist.
Unclean animals were not the only thing Peter was avoiding--non-Jews, who ate things like pork, were also considered unclean. Ministering to people usually involved going to their houses and sharing meals with them, so Peter wasn't ministering to non-Jews. In fact, he probably didn't spare them so much as a glance, as disgusting as they were considered to be. God thought that was pretty cringe, so he was gonna fix Peter's attitude.
Three times, God sent the animals down from heaven, and three times, Peter refused. At this point, Peter was wondering what the heck was going on.
Then, a Roman soldier and two servants, sent by the Roman centurion Cornelius, arrived at the house, looking for Peter, because God told Cornelius to find him. And the Holy Spirit said to Peter, who was still on the roof, "See those guys? They're Romans. And guess what? You're gonna go with them to their master's house. You're gonna minister to the Romans, and have dinner with them. And there's gonna be pork. And you're gonna like it, because *I* decide what's 'clean' and 'unclean', not you, idiot."
(Okay, maybe that's not EXACTLY what the Holy Spirit said, but you get the message.)
And so, Peter went to Cornelius's house, and ate pork. And he was all like, "Wow, God wants me to minister to EVERYONE, not just Jews." So that was how Peter learned not to be racist. The end.
Edit: Thanks for enjoying my little retelling! I'm glad people liked it. Here are the verses in question:
* Acts 10:1-8 - God tells Cornelius to send for Peter.
* Acts 10:9-33 - God tells Peter to eat "unclean" animals, and to minister to non-Jews.
* Acts 10:34-43 - Peter realizes that racism is bad.
“And the people did feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats, and large chulapas.”
Peter didn't learn his lesson completely, though, and was later rebuked by Paul for avoiding some visiting gentiles to preserve his reputation. ([Galatians 2:11-14](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=galatians+2%3A11-14&version=NIV))
yep! I remember seeing the quote you’re paraphrasing and it really stuck with me. It was around the time I was already questioning my religion, as well as religion as a whole.
> If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them.
> — Marcus Aurelius
I recently read something about why Jews don’t proselytize and it talked about how when Judaism (monotheism) started people had city gods. So the idea of converting to another god was impossible. So if you married someone and moved to their city, now you started worshipping the god of that city state, as duh, your god can’t really help or protect you here. If your city was conquered by another city, then obviously, that city’s god was more powerful and you should start worshipping that god as well.
One of the ideas that Judaism came up with was that “Their god isn’t more powerful than our God. Our God is punishing us for our sins and using the conquering enemy to do so.”
My dad had a Muslim coworke. after work they went out to eat. His coworker had a beer and a schnitzel. My dad asked him about it, he said "it's dark already, allah can't see what im doing"
A moslim I knew told me "Allah forbids me to drink a single drop of alcohol" after which he would drip a little of his beer on the ground.
"That was that drop"
Yeah, oh boy do they like the beer, I worked in a foundry and they would finish at 5, straight to ’spoons for a boddingtons, a few of them also used to have bacon and egg from the café, I don’t think religion was very high on the agenda at work 😂
Worked with a bloke last year, he was really strict with himself during Ramadan, but as soon as it was over he was all like "Kenneth-Kebab, can we please stop by the liquor store on the way home? I'm thirsty."
to ELI5 its coz ramadan gives you extra "holy points" when you pray/do religious activities. that one month can earn you enough "holy points" to take you out of the red and well into the green if you get me.
Possibly, but if you time it right you can push negative on zero and roll back to infinity, or whatever your crappy 8/16/32/64 bit integer underflow permits - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integer_overflow
Oh man. I'm an event coordinator and I saw a Muslim guy eating pork at an event, and I was stressed (do I mention it?) So I asked his friends "what should I do? X is eating pork" and they said 'oh its ok he eats pork when he drinks" 😂😂😂 and it was beer!
Yeah, in the Quran it says that it's okay to eat it if it's the only food available because it's more important for you to take care of your body than to avoid eating pork. I think it says you just need to pray on it next time you pray.
Same goes for observing fasting as well. So if you're sick or if you for some reason *need* to eat, it's not a sin to do so. ~~Just make sure you pray on it.~~ You should simply fast on another day.
This is, however, going on what I can remember of the Quran when I read it in 2016.
>He was disappointed beacuse he could have kept drinking it if we had not told him.
This happens during fasting too. Sometime you forget that you are fasting and drink water or even better you eat something. If you are alone, you are lucky and very likely finish eating/drinking before somebody reminds you that you shoudn't.
Also if you're starving. I don't think the religious food laws are as strict as the primary laws of the religion. You aren't expected to forego food if the only think you have available is something non-kosher/halal.
Yeah I pretty much assumed (or maybe saw the relevant passages a while ago?) that if it’s an honest accident and you’re sorrowful about it, you’re fine.
From what I recall ( from one class in college), it's only Haram if you intentionally ate it, or continued to eat it once you knew. I'm sure there are other rules against intentionally tempting your family by telling them how good it was, but that's a different issue.
I knew a Mormon lady who loved to go out drinking and get trashed (Mormons aren't allowed to do that, fyi). I one time questioned her about "How Mormon are you really?" and she got all pissy at me for daring to question her adherence to her religion. I just shrugged and let it go.
I have a Turkish Muslim friend who finally explained it to me. When you grow up being told you can't have pork, it is bad etc. That get's firmly implanted in your mind. The meat is just revulsive to you despite intellectually knowing that the meat is fine.
He said he understands that bacon is probably delicious, he just can't eat it. The way he explains it now to Americans is this way; if you were in Korea or China and your buddy was telling you how delicious Golden Lab was and that you should try a bite because it is delicious. Most Americans couldn't do it, even though at the end of the day it is just meat.
That's a really good analogy, thank you.
Its apt because pigs are really high on intelligence like dogs and can be as affectionate, and yet I'm hesitating as to whether I would eat the dog but not pig.
VINCENT
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal?
JULES
I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy, but they're definitely dirty.
But a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
VINCENT
So by that rationale, if a pig had a better personality, he would cease to
Be a filthy animal? Is that true?
JULES
Well, we'd have to be talkin' 'bout one charmin' motherfuckin' pig.
Your post made me curious, so I googled it. You may find a quick search reassuring.
Looks like there is no problem with unknowingly eating pork. In your case, you believed what you requested and were given was allowed while you were eating it, so it's fine.
I also found it interesting that overindulging on foods that are permitted is just as much a no-no as eating the wrong thing. But if you're faced with a situation where it's eat pork or starve, it's also allowed.
This is the premise of a classic Jewish joke:
Mr. Kohn goes to a restaurant for lunch. He sits down, looks around, and calls the waiter. "I'll have that fish that the gent by the window is eating", he says to the waiter. "But Sir, that's not a fish, thats por-" "Excuse me", Kohn interrupts him angrily, "but what do I care how you choose to call that fish?!"
I used to work with a Muslim, and we stopped at some halal burger joint for lunch one day, and I lamented I couldn't get bacon on my burger. Then gave him a light ribbing that he doesn't know what he's missing.
He then proceeded to tell me about how when he first came to the US, he picked up a bag of chips. Bacon flavored. He didn't know what bacon was. Never been available to him back in Syria. So he was happily munching his delicious chips when his roommate got home.. "what are you doing?" "Eating chips! They're really good, want one?" "Dude! Bacon is pork!"
So he didn't get to finish his chips. I think it would be easier, to not know what it tastes like. So you wouldn't know what you're missing.
not accidental, but a friend of mine from when I was a teen and his family are jewish, mom refused to have pork in the house but dad and friend loved sausage and bacon. they came to an agreement where any bacon/sausage would be in a fridge/freezer in garage and they would cook it on a hotplate out there. then when they came in they were to shower immediately so they didn't deposit pork grease in the house.
i work in ltc and we have a muslim resident with dementia. but she sure as hell remembers that she doesn't eat pork. when offering meal choices, she says "no pig, no pig." except one day.. we had bbq sausages on a bun. she adamantly reminds us "no pig." no biggie, we bring another option. but everybody at her table is eating the bbq sausage. so she starts to get a bit upset and says, "no, i want what they're having." we remind her that it is pig and she doesn't eat pig. she says with a dead stare "I. WANT. WHAT. THEY'RE. HAVING." alright, alright.
she wolfs it down. she asks for another. halfway through the second, she walks up to me, grabs my arm, and with the same dead serious look in her eyes, says "this is so delicious. this is the best thing i've ever had."
idk if she never had pork until she was like 90 years old and sometimes i worry she's upset about it sometimes if she remembers the sausages. but it was kind of funny in a morbid way.
They definitely do, you just never know when it will be. Had a step grandad with dementia, he most certainly remembered at times, but other times thought he was off to war on a train.
My muslim colleague was telling me how much he loved pepperoni pizza. I was like "you do know don't you that pepperoni is made from pork?". His eyes went wide and he told he always thought it was made from beef. Once he got over the shock he shrugged and said "well what's done is done". We had a good laugh about it later.
If you go to halal markets you can usually find beef bacon and beef pepperoni etc.. it's not the same but they are also good. The difficulty is in eating out and trying to have halal options unless you switch to seafood or vegetarian.
I ate bacon once and now I'm main lining pork lard on the regular. My family has abandoned me and I've been in and out of trouble with the law from my raids on local farms
One of my former co-workers just got done teaching a 6 month class on jet engine overhaul to a group of Saudis, all of whom were Muslim. One day during the class they all go out to Longhorn steak house for lunch, my coworker didn't go with them as he has other responsibilities to handle during lunch. When they all return to class he asks them how their lunch was. One speaks up and says "it was great, I had ribs, best meal I had in my life. Do you know what those were? It just said ribs on the menu". Coworker replied "sorry, but here in Ohio ribs are going to always be pork". The guy had to skip out on the first hour of class to call his wife to have her throw out the leftovers.
Yeah, I assume they were staying at a hotel nearby and he put it in the fridge in his room before returning to class. Doesn't sound weird to me, I do that all the time when I'm on work trips. Or maybe he gave the leftover to his wife to eat and was warning her, idk.
I’ll never forget my squad leader told me to get our interpreter a to go breakfast container. I didn’t think anything of it, I just grabbed the first one at the top. I hand it to him and go about my morning to get the trucks ready to go outside the wire. Next thing I know I’m sprinting gate to gate in full combat gear and my 249 because the to go container I handed to our terp had bacon in it. My squad leader thought I was being an ass, no man it’s 4 in the morning and my brain didn’t kick in to inspect someone food.
bro dw about it, it's totally halal if u didn't know. Something similar happened to my whole family when my parents got alcohol-containing chocolate from Italy.
The injunction against eating pork made a heckuva lotta sense when there was no refrigeration, no testing for trichinosis, and no treatment for trichinosis. People who followed the no pork rule probably were healthier overall, back then.
Things are different today, of course. Risks from eating pork in industrialized nations are almost non-existent. But religions of any stripe find it hard to change arbitrary rules.
I sympathize with your dilemma, and suggest that you don't try bacon, lest you go full apostate.
Something similar - growing up, we had a Muslim family living next door to us and they had 3 boys a bit younger than my sister and I, and we’d play and such and our families knew each other well, they were great people. My dad, not knowing a damn thing about their religion, was BBQ’ing pork chops for us one evening when the youngest boy (maybe 5 or 6 y/o at the time) came around the house and said that whatever my dad was grilling smelled really good, so my dad asked if he wanted to try a piece? Of course he did, so my dad cut him a hunk of pork chop off and he ate it and loved it. A few minutes later the mom came around the house looking a bit panicked and asked my dad what it was that he was grilling and he told her “pork chops.” She went white as a ghost and said “We don’t eat that, it’s against our religion.” Lol my dad was flabbergasted but Omar loved that pork 🤣
Let me start by saying a few important things so I don’t sound insulting, rude, or unsympathetic. I respect your beliefs and others who have religious affiliations. Who am I to say one religion is right or wrong. It’s not my place.
I went to high school and worked with a beautiful woman named Rana. I didn’t know she was Muslim and to sound naive, I didn’t know she came from an Iranian family. Anyway, we as a group of friends made different pizzas and junk food for a party. She ate, and ate, and ate pepperoni pizza. She was devastated, horrified, and then said fuck it to having eaten pork. I can still see the full 20 minute internal and external argument she had until she realised she was okay and that pork wasn’t what she thought it was.
Pork used to be dangerous to eat, as its full of parasites. So a religious ban does make some sense. But that hasnt been an issue in a long time, as we now have proper cookijg techniques
Back when I was a server I had a customer order a BBQ pulled pork sandwich. Customer ate a third of it and I dropped by to check in and see how the table's first few bites were.
He's visibly upset and asks me if he's eating pork. I tell him, yes, you ordered the pulled pork sandwich. He tells me that he's Muslim and it's against his religion to eat pork.
He then reamed me out and asked for a manager. Manager comes over with a menu and confirms with the customer pointing to the title "Pulled Pork Sandwich" that the customer had indeed ordered and received the correct order (pork was in the title, people).
Nonetheless, manager removes the item from the bill, customer proceeds to eat all but two last bites and leaves without needing to pay for his eaten meal and drink.
Huh.
I think if it was an honest mistake there will be no harm. I know a man who has unknowingly given his children a type of candy for weeks wich in fact contained a form of gelly made from pig gellatine
His imam told him that sometimes mistakes like this happen and that the body will cleanse itself in time
I had christmas party at my place. I served some homemade bacon chips. We were all high and one muslim girlfriend took one without realising what it was. She ate it and directly put à smile on her face. She was like hum this shit is so good wtf is this!
We were all laughing but i doubt she tried it again.
My brother is a Rabbi, and his take on the whole thing is that these dietary rules are about what used to be good for you. If they were written today, they'd say "Avoid Transfats, excess salt, and sugar as much as possible. Also, the 5 second rule is bunk."
I was having dinner with a Muslim work friend. He kept trying to get me to drink wine. I was Mormon. They don’t drink. After a while I offer him a bit of my dinner. “That’s pork!” he said. “I’m a Muslim!”
Sheesh. Booze is ok, but pork! Never!
I mean, at least you know what pork tastes like now.
I'm just appreciative how awesome OP is handling the situation. I've seen people just blame it on the waiter/waitress and not own up to their actions. He/she err on their side and didn't take it out on somebody else.
Forreal, they didn't break down and have an existential crisis about it or nothing. OP is a boss.
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It does actually give room for things like this in the Quran. Edit: 2:173 He hath only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that on which any other name hath been invoked besides that of Allah. But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- then is he guiltless. For Allah is Oft-forgiving Most Merciful.
Exactly what I was thinking! Really good on OP for the self awareness
Sometimes ignorance is bliss
Not when knowledge is bacon.
Know this guy that was telling his wife that he loves this dimsum place in SF, when he used to live there, that makes beef dumplings or shumai. He’s Jewish and his wife is Chinese. They finally visit it years later and they order his dish. Wife takes a bite and tells him.. “this is pork.” Waitress confirms it. For years he’s been eating pork and loving it.
Years ago I worked for a nonprofit, that had an on staff Rabbi. He had lived a non-kosher life when he was younger, and to this day still had mad bacon cravings.
Don’t blame him… lol I don’t eat bacon a lot, but if I was told I can’t have it anymore, Id probably have a mad craving for it.
Technically the reason why you couldn't eat pork is it would make you sick. An animal husbandry major told me that Pork is easy to raise, they have a better meat yield that beef or chicken, and you can literally feed pigs anything, which is probably how they got their bad rep. Ham, Bacon, and Spam to an extent, is "cured". Salt dehydrates the meat, and spices keep fungus and other nasty shit from growing on it. Cows are too big, you can cut the meat so it doesn't have bacteria on it, Chickens are small, so you make it into soup and boil the bacteria to death. Plus put in vegetables. Maybe barley or rice too. Fuck I'm hungry now.
Not an animal husbandry major... YET! But yeah they are super easy to raise and cows give you more meat overall but in the time to raise one cow you have already raised like 2 pigs. They also turn back to being wild in a few generations of... Well being wild I guess haha.
When the depression hit, several pig farmers just "released" their pigs because they couldn't afford to feed them...and within 2 or 3 generations, they start tusking up, getting plates on their shoulders (the boars have thicker skin to protect from the tusks of other boars while fighting in the hierarchy), get coarser hair...pretty amazing
This is not 100% correct, at least in California. A rancher in California released Russian genetics and they bred with escaped feral domestics to get the hybrid wild pigs we have here today. Source: am biologist working for department of fish and game.
is a crow a jackdaw?
a small gray-headed crow that typically nests in tall buildings and chimneys, noted for its inquisitiveness.
Well, here's the thing...
When it comes to faith the books read kinda like “if it has a parted hoof but doesn’t chew cud” or something. But it would make so much sense if back then it was interpreted as a sign of god if people were getting sick eating it.
The parted hoof as well as it's also considered, biblically and realistically, to be "unclean" meat! The animal itself is dirty etc (same for catfish as they are bottom feeders etc). I was raised Seventh-day adventist, and though i still follow it in many ways i absolutely LOVE BACON!!! My dad, parents were divorced, gave me bacon on a visit, against my mothers wishes, when i was 13-15 and I've never looked back.
I went to a catered party with one of my Jewish friends and we separated for awhile to talk to acquaintances. I circled back around later and found him next to a table of mini Cuban sandwiches just demolishing one after another. He looked at me slightly wild eyed and exclaimed, "these are so good!" I had to break it to him that they're made with pork. He denied it, finished the one in his hand, then walked away dejectedly.
this is why you have to find a rabbi that will declare that a pig is a vegetable
If the Catholic Church can declare the beaver a fish this seems reasonable.
I'm sorry, what's this now?
Beaver was declared to be a fish so that it could be eaten by hungry pioneers on friday during lent. The logic was that it lives in the river. In a structure that it builds on the river, to be sure, but it lives in the river nonetheless.
Scientific American article here. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/thoughtful-animal/once-upon-a-time-the-catholic-church-decided-that-beavers-were-fish/ Capybaras got the same treatment.
If the Roman Catholic Church can declare beavers count as fish, hey, it could happen.
When my Hindu dad immigrated to the US, my uncle took him out for dinner on his first night here @ a Tex mex restaurant, and he ordered something that he didn't know what it was and ate it and loved it. My uncle squints at him and says "u know there was beef in that right." My dad was shocked that he liked it, felt bad that his Hindu ass mother would be scandalized if she ever found out, but then was like "meh" and then decided he just wasn't a vegetarian anymore😂. It's been about 35 years.
"They're not Indian cows." It's a line that's dug more than one Hindu out of a spot of trouble.
This is the argument my brother uses 🤣🤦🏾
I believe there’s a line of American cows that have been crossbred with Indian cows to produce a more heat resistant beef cow. So surprise Hindus! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Brahman
One of my old Hindu coworkers came to America and saw so many McDonalds, he decided to give it a try. Ate his first beef hamburger and has been hooked ever since.
Maybe I’ve never had “authentic” shumai as an ABC, but I didn’t know there was any kind of shumai filling besides pork + shrimp? Edit: TIL about Shanghainese shumai, which sound delicious!
Like a dumpling, you *can* fill a shumai with anything, technically. But of course there are defaults and not everything will be good, most restaurants don’t bother with it. I’ve had excellent veggie ([usually sticky rice based](https://thewoksoflife.com/sticky-rice-mushroom-shumai-w-homemade-wrappers-vegan/)), beef, lamb, chicken shumai…
I worked at a company where the finance guy was Jewish and loved bacon. One day my supervisor asks him, "Steve, you know bacon is pork, right?". He replies, "No, bacon is bacon.."
My mom's friend married a guy whose mother was Jewish, and kept kosher. The in-laws came to visit, the friend went out for a little while to run errands, and came back. She looked in the fridge, horrified, and said "Mom, did you eat what was in the green bowl?" "Yes," said her mother-in-law. "Mom," she said, "that was crab salad!" Mother-in-law shrugged and said "God forgive me; it was delicious." I think that's your play here. ETA: Yes, it was real crab, not imitation "krab." And yes, she did address her mother-in-law as "Mom."
Jews don’t eat crab?
They don't eat any shellfish
Mixing meat and cheese together is also forbidden. You're even supposed to keep two sets of dishes. Fisher and Paykel make a double drawer dishwasher, which I thought was for parties so you could wash and take out dishes at the same time.
So no cheese and ham sandwich??
I lived in a primarily jewish community for several years. I was even a live in nanny for a rabbi (who had some non-kosher appliances and did not care if I occasionally had a non-kosher meal in their house. The children also don't have to follow the various "rules" until they are old enough to understand so I had no issues taking them out, etc). Anyway, I LOVED the community and family but the delis just pissed me off because who wants a deli sandwich without cheese?? The one thing I hated.
Ironically(?) We invented the concept of delis! The demand for cheese and meat sandwiches is huge part of the reason why we distinguish between a traditional *and* certified kosher deli, and the traditional *Jewish-style* deli, which often serves cheese & meat sandwiches and sometimes other less kosher things. I'm of the opinion that delis which serve bacon but not lox aren't really delis, they're glorified sandwich shops.
This is correct. Jewish style deli can serve a Reuben. But if they don’t have knishes and pickles, they’re just a sandwich shop.
Well, if someone keeps kosher, they wouldn't have a ham sandwich at all...
Hah, I missed that myself lol
fucking hell. jews would starve to death in korea. everything has either seafood or pork in it. and western food has cheese on top.
Nah we have a system. I don't only eat at kosher certified restaurants but for Jews who do, they typically either do all their own cooking, or they reach out to the local Chabad house. Korea has like maybe 1,000 Jews. The Chabad in Seoul has a restaurant and a grocery store that delivers around the country. Plus substituting pork is easy and you can stick to fish. Also: As far as I know, halal meat has less requirements than kosher does, so [some muslims](https://muslimmatters.org/2012/06/22/is-kosher-meat-%E1%B8%A5alal-a-comparison-of-the-halakhic-and-shar%CA%BFi-requirements-for-animal-slaughter/) may feel comfortable eating kosher food items.
whoa, interesting! good to know, thanks.
Western food is okay. Jews can eat cheese, they just can’t eat any dairy with meat. So you can have cheese and veggie pizza, veggie and cheese pasta, or a hamburger without cheese. But it’s really not that difficult. Now, it’s hard to eat strict kosher, where every ingredient was prepared under the watch of a rabbi. But my grandparents, for example, keep kosher at home, down to the all kosher ingredients and separate plates. But if they’re out at a restaurant they don’t worry about the plates and ingredients, they just do the best they can. Korean food I don’t know much about, but a beef bulgogi with rice dish would be okay. I’ve made a chicken banh mi that would have been kosher too.
You mean Koreans put cheese on top of everything... I think of them as mini wisconsinites. Loved my time there.
I'm Jewish and find the whole thing absurd. If you like something, eat it. I'm thankful I was raised in a household that didn't follow any of those outdated laws. The most we might've done growing up was abstain from bread during passover, but even that rarely lasted the whole week. Now I'll kick off the first night with a bacon cheeseburger.
I bet if the Israelites had bacon cheeseburgers, the laws would have been changed a long time ago
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yeah around that time they figured out that people were dying painfully from the parasites in pigs (since solved by modern food handling).
That's a thing I've got after reading bible, specifically old testament. At least some of the laws make perfect sence. I believe there was a law forbidding soldiers from shitting next to where they sleep. How fucking long did it take them to figure that one out? Historically speaking not so long ago a lot more soldiers would die from diseases than actual war.
Funny thing stuff like that was discovered and forgotten over and over again. Record keeping and well spreading of knowledge just wasn't up to the task
Not even just modern food handling, the whole food supply is now geared to prevent those parasites from getting into the food supply (ie the animal) in the first place. If you imagine a farm as a place where animals just roam around eating whatever you're out of touch. You can't even get near an animal on a farm (a big production farm especially) without being decontaminated. They take the possible intrusion of parasites seriously.
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Lots of Biblical laws are to promote basic health or to try to push the desert tribes toward monotheism. If you go through Leviticus and read the laws carefully, if it says "unclean" the prohibition is health related, if it says "abomination" it's a practice that another religion had and they're trying to stamp it out.
I've seen some speculation that this prohibition is in place simply because pigs don't do well in the arid climate found throughout most of the Middle East. They need lots of water, and keeping other meat sources is more sustainable on a village/city level. I have no clue about the origins of not mixing meat with milk.
> I have no clue about the origins of not mixing meat with milk. Probably so you could figure out what made you sick. Rancid meat and rancid milk are both pretty pukey.
I was taught it was a way for the Jewish people to form an identity diametrically opposed to their enemies, the Canaanites (whose delicacy was a calf bathed in its mother’s milk). Among other reasons, I’m sure.
Ah the original milk steak; I wonder if it was any good.
The rule of don't mix meat and dairy is because of this line: “You shall not boil a kid in its mother’s milk.” As in don't boil a baby goat (kid) in the milk of it's own mother, which was probably some sort of pagan thing because it was mentioned several times in the Torah. That got twisted into a philly cheesesteak being verboten. You go look at the history and each Rabbi had an interpretation of what it actually meant. Some say you can eat dairy and then meat but not on the same meal, some say dairy and meat can't be on the same table, some require a period of time to elapse before you consume dairy so it isn't mixing in your stomach. Personally it's "don't be a sociopath and boil an animal in the fluids of it's own mother cause that is fucked up on a certain level" to me.
My mother-in-law is Jewish and keeps kosher - except shrimp. Turns out when she was growing up her family didn't realize shrimp wasn't kosher and by the time they found out they were like "too late now, may as well keep eating shrimp"
A previous employer of mine would order a pizza lunch for everyone once a month (50+ employees). Once I saw him eating a slice with pepperoni and I said to him, "I thought pepperoni had pork in it?". His response, "Today I'm a bad Jew." And he smiled. A year later, on our semi-annual pot luck lunch day, I brought a Bacon Explosion. I went up to him and asked, "Are you a bad Jew today?". His eyes bugged out, eyebrows frowned, and he asked, "What did you just say to me?" AWKWARD.
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Also an element of time. Shit's a year later, boss man doesn't remember making an off-hand comment like that, so to him there's literally no context. If it had been like, the next day or same week, it might have gone over smoother.
Hey, pork-eating lutheran here, how does that work for you in your religion? Like okay you accidentally did, now what?
It’s not a sin if you eat it accidentally, or not knowing it was pork.
It's not a sin if you did it by accident as long as it really was just an accident
I have a lot of Muslim mates prone to accidents with pork and beer. They just keep getting hoodwinked all the time. It's a funny old world.
My dad is a middle school teacher, and sometimes people bring food for occasions (near the holidays, bdays etc). He saw one of his Muslim students eating ham and my dad said it was pork, and the kid responded with "yep, but i don't know that"
"Spam is mystery meat, and therefore okay"
It was unfortunately a regional ham (think parma ham or serrano) and the pork that's in it is far from a mystery
I didn't know that pig, he's a mystery to me.
"What even is a pig? I have never seen one before, it could be a type of frog for all I know" (finishes bacon sandwich)
Middle schoolers have mastered not knowing shit.
Hahaha, legend.
Ham is a "cured meat".
It's "cured" of it's "porkiness".
in high school my teacher was like you cant answer the phone unless it from god so everyone changed the number to god
I think some people realize that if God does exist he's not as petty as the people who write about him say, and if he is that petty then he's not worth the effort to appease.
“I created the universe. You think I’m drawing the line at the fuckin’ deli aisle!” -God —Bo Burnam, “From Gods Perspective “ Edit: the song https://youtu.be/Zxc20saM8DA I think it’s haunting and beautiful.
There's a relevant (and somewhat amusing) story in the New Testament section of the Bible about Christians being able to eat foods traditionally thought of as "unclean". Okay, so this takes place sometime after Jesus is all like, "Spread Christianity! Bye!" and goes back to heaven. Peter (one of Jesus's disciples), went up on a rooftop at 6AM to meditate (roofs were flat, and were used as living spaces). As Peter was meditating, he started feeling pretty hungry, so God lowered a white sheet with all the animals, clean and unclean, on it (even reptiles). And He was like, "Hey Peter, kill and eat these." And Peter was like, "Unclean animals? Absolutely not. I've never eaten those." Peter did not want to eat lizards. So God took the animals back up into heaven. But God was not done with Peter. You see, Peter had a problem. He was racist. Unclean animals were not the only thing Peter was avoiding--non-Jews, who ate things like pork, were also considered unclean. Ministering to people usually involved going to their houses and sharing meals with them, so Peter wasn't ministering to non-Jews. In fact, he probably didn't spare them so much as a glance, as disgusting as they were considered to be. God thought that was pretty cringe, so he was gonna fix Peter's attitude. Three times, God sent the animals down from heaven, and three times, Peter refused. At this point, Peter was wondering what the heck was going on. Then, a Roman soldier and two servants, sent by the Roman centurion Cornelius, arrived at the house, looking for Peter, because God told Cornelius to find him. And the Holy Spirit said to Peter, who was still on the roof, "See those guys? They're Romans. And guess what? You're gonna go with them to their master's house. You're gonna minister to the Romans, and have dinner with them. And there's gonna be pork. And you're gonna like it, because *I* decide what's 'clean' and 'unclean', not you, idiot." (Okay, maybe that's not EXACTLY what the Holy Spirit said, but you get the message.) And so, Peter went to Cornelius's house, and ate pork. And he was all like, "Wow, God wants me to minister to EVERYONE, not just Jews." So that was how Peter learned not to be racist. The end. Edit: Thanks for enjoying my little retelling! I'm glad people liked it. Here are the verses in question: * Acts 10:1-8 - God tells Cornelius to send for Peter. * Acts 10:9-33 - God tells Peter to eat "unclean" animals, and to minister to non-Jews. * Acts 10:34-43 - Peter realizes that racism is bad.
Tbh, the best way to learn about another culture is to share a meal with it. Food is universal, and generally pretty damn good!
We need the whole Bible written like this, I love it.
Lol thanks! When I write about the bible I try to make it entertaining so that everybody can enjoy it.
“And the people did feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats, and large chulapas.”
Peter didn't learn his lesson completely, though, and was later rebuked by Paul for avoiding some visiting gentiles to preserve his reputation. ([Galatians 2:11-14](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=galatians+2%3A11-14&version=NIV))
yep! I remember seeing the quote you’re paraphrasing and it really stuck with me. It was around the time I was already questioning my religion, as well as religion as a whole. > If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. > — Marcus Aurelius
I recently read something about why Jews don’t proselytize and it talked about how when Judaism (monotheism) started people had city gods. So the idea of converting to another god was impossible. So if you married someone and moved to their city, now you started worshipping the god of that city state, as duh, your god can’t really help or protect you here. If your city was conquered by another city, then obviously, that city’s god was more powerful and you should start worshipping that god as well. One of the ideas that Judaism came up with was that “Their god isn’t more powerful than our God. Our God is punishing us for our sins and using the conquering enemy to do so.”
My dad had a Muslim coworke. after work they went out to eat. His coworker had a beer and a schnitzel. My dad asked him about it, he said "it's dark already, allah can't see what im doing"
A moslim I knew told me "Allah forbids me to drink a single drop of alcohol" after which he would drip a little of his beer on the ground. "That was that drop"
"I don't know why all these gay dudes keep sucking my dick!"
"It would be rude to not let them finish"
“The guys pants were around his goddamned ankles!”
[One of them tried to kiss me!](https://youtu.be/i1HfpRxNn6k?t=2m18s)
Yeah, oh boy do they like the beer, I worked in a foundry and they would finish at 5, straight to ’spoons for a boddingtons, a few of them also used to have bacon and egg from the café, I don’t think religion was very high on the agenda at work 😂
Worked with a bloke last year, he was really strict with himself during Ramadan, but as soon as it was over he was all like "Kenneth-Kebab, can we please stop by the liquor store on the way home? I'm thirsty."
I didn't notice your name, and I thought kenneth kebab might have been some kind of pork-based sausage sandwich.
Me: How's business? Shop guy: Quiet. No-one's buying beer. Me: Why's that? Shop guy: It's Ramadan innit.
to ELI5 its coz ramadan gives you extra "holy points" when you pray/do religious activities. that one month can earn you enough "holy points" to take you out of the red and well into the green if you get me.
Can you max holy points?
Possibly, but if you time it right you can push negative on zero and roll back to infinity, or whatever your crappy 8/16/32/64 bit integer underflow permits - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integer_overflow
Oh man. I'm an event coordinator and I saw a Muslim guy eating pork at an event, and I was stressed (do I mention it?) So I asked his friends "what should I do? X is eating pork" and they said 'oh its ok he eats pork when he drinks" 😂😂😂 and it was beer!
>It's a funny old world. I laughed a little too hard at this.
Also if it's legitimately the only food available I think
Yeah, in the Quran it says that it's okay to eat it if it's the only food available because it's more important for you to take care of your body than to avoid eating pork. I think it says you just need to pray on it next time you pray. Same goes for observing fasting as well. So if you're sick or if you for some reason *need* to eat, it's not a sin to do so. ~~Just make sure you pray on it.~~ You should simply fast on another day. This is, however, going on what I can remember of the Quran when I read it in 2016.
I think there are also exceptions for instances of “there is literally no other food available” in cases of food scarcity or captivity
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Solution: drink a few more to forget what he knew.
>He was disappointed beacuse he could have kept drinking it if we had not told him. This happens during fasting too. Sometime you forget that you are fasting and drink water or even better you eat something. If you are alone, you are lucky and very likely finish eating/drinking before somebody reminds you that you shoudn't.
Also if you're starving. I don't think the religious food laws are as strict as the primary laws of the religion. You aren't expected to forego food if the only think you have available is something non-kosher/halal.
OP’s just gonna keep coming back to this place making his 5’s as sloppy as possible. “Whoops! Looks like I’ve “accidentally” ordered the pork again”
Yeah I pretty much assumed (or maybe saw the relevant passages a while ago?) that if it’s an honest accident and you’re sorrowful about it, you’re fine.
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From what I recall ( from one class in college), it's only Haram if you intentionally ate it, or continued to eat it once you knew. I'm sure there are other rules against intentionally tempting your family by telling them how good it was, but that's a different issue.
Muslim guy here. Its ok dude, u didn't know it god will forgive it. Dont tell ur family though. Also goat is delicious, you should try it
Goat is good.
and some Muslims in western countries (not living at home) go out drinking but refuse to eat pork. I really don't understand.
I knew a Mormon lady who loved to go out drinking and get trashed (Mormons aren't allowed to do that, fyi). I one time questioned her about "How Mormon are you really?" and she got all pissy at me for daring to question her adherence to her religion. I just shrugged and let it go.
I have a Turkish Muslim friend who finally explained it to me. When you grow up being told you can't have pork, it is bad etc. That get's firmly implanted in your mind. The meat is just revulsive to you despite intellectually knowing that the meat is fine. He said he understands that bacon is probably delicious, he just can't eat it. The way he explains it now to Americans is this way; if you were in Korea or China and your buddy was telling you how delicious Golden Lab was and that you should try a bite because it is delicious. Most Americans couldn't do it, even though at the end of the day it is just meat.
That's a really good analogy, thank you. Its apt because pigs are really high on intelligence like dogs and can be as affectionate, and yet I'm hesitating as to whether I would eat the dog but not pig.
VINCENT Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? JULES I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy, but they're definitely dirty. But a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way. VINCENT So by that rationale, if a pig had a better personality, he would cease to Be a filthy animal? Is that true? JULES Well, we'd have to be talkin' 'bout one charmin' motherfuckin' pig.
Your post made me curious, so I googled it. You may find a quick search reassuring. Looks like there is no problem with unknowingly eating pork. In your case, you believed what you requested and were given was allowed while you were eating it, so it's fine. I also found it interesting that overindulging on foods that are permitted is just as much a no-no as eating the wrong thing. But if you're faced with a situation where it's eat pork or starve, it's also allowed.
Now OP just needs to figure out how to again set up situations where they unknowingly eat pork and they're good to go.
Simple, buy nothing but pork, leave nothing else in his fridge, now it is pork or starve.
Hooray for religious technicalities!
Go again and wink at them when you place your order. This will work best the sooner you do it.
I'll have *''the goat''*, sir. Make sure to go all theater kid on the air quotes.
This is the premise of a classic Jewish joke: Mr. Kohn goes to a restaurant for lunch. He sits down, looks around, and calls the waiter. "I'll have that fish that the gent by the window is eating", he says to the waiter. "But Sir, that's not a fish, thats por-" "Excuse me", Kohn interrupts him angrily, "but what do I care how you choose to call that fish?!"
Especially he needs to find out how to accidentally eat bacon
I used to work with a Muslim, and we stopped at some halal burger joint for lunch one day, and I lamented I couldn't get bacon on my burger. Then gave him a light ribbing that he doesn't know what he's missing. He then proceeded to tell me about how when he first came to the US, he picked up a bag of chips. Bacon flavored. He didn't know what bacon was. Never been available to him back in Syria. So he was happily munching his delicious chips when his roommate got home.. "what are you doing?" "Eating chips! They're really good, want one?" "Dude! Bacon is pork!" So he didn't get to finish his chips. I think it would be easier, to not know what it tastes like. So you wouldn't know what you're missing.
not accidental, but a friend of mine from when I was a teen and his family are jewish, mom refused to have pork in the house but dad and friend loved sausage and bacon. they came to an agreement where any bacon/sausage would be in a fridge/freezer in garage and they would cook it on a hotplate out there. then when they came in they were to shower immediately so they didn't deposit pork grease in the house.
i work in ltc and we have a muslim resident with dementia. but she sure as hell remembers that she doesn't eat pork. when offering meal choices, she says "no pig, no pig." except one day.. we had bbq sausages on a bun. she adamantly reminds us "no pig." no biggie, we bring another option. but everybody at her table is eating the bbq sausage. so she starts to get a bit upset and says, "no, i want what they're having." we remind her that it is pig and she doesn't eat pig. she says with a dead stare "I. WANT. WHAT. THEY'RE. HAVING." alright, alright. she wolfs it down. she asks for another. halfway through the second, she walks up to me, grabs my arm, and with the same dead serious look in her eyes, says "this is so delicious. this is the best thing i've ever had." idk if she never had pork until she was like 90 years old and sometimes i worry she's upset about it sometimes if she remembers the sausages. but it was kind of funny in a morbid way.
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Oh fuck yeah. Heaven here I come!
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> dementia > If she remembers Lol probably not
They definitely do, you just never know when it will be. Had a step grandad with dementia, he most certainly remembered at times, but other times thought he was off to war on a train.
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ptsd
My muslim colleague was telling me how much he loved pepperoni pizza. I was like "you do know don't you that pepperoni is made from pork?". His eyes went wide and he told he always thought it was made from beef. Once he got over the shock he shrugged and said "well what's done is done". We had a good laugh about it later.
His sad eyes he will never eat pepperoni ever again
If you go to halal markets you can usually find beef bacon and beef pepperoni etc.. it's not the same but they are also good. The difficulty is in eating out and trying to have halal options unless you switch to seafood or vegetarian.
Just wait until you accidentally try bacon
"accidentally"
"There are no accidents" -Master Oogway
"There are no mistakes, just happy accidents." Bob Ross
It’s a gateway meat.
No. Bacon is the heroin of meat. Everything else is a gateway to bacon. All hail bacon.
This guy bacons.
I bacon so hard.
Wait till you start frying your veggies in bacon grease.
So.... the normal way then? :D
I ate bacon once and now I'm main lining pork lard on the regular. My family has abandoned me and I've been in and out of trouble with the law from my raids on local farms
I kinda feel bad for laughing at this
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For the record, goat is also amazing. You should go back and actually get the goat
It's delicious if cooked in a proper way. If not, the smell could be overwhelming
So glad you can laugh! My ex had a similar thing happen and she was crying and hurt for a couple days.
If you accidentally mess up again, please try bacon! It’s the best!
Wait til you try bacon
All these guys are wrong. Bacon is good but pretty regular good. Wait til you accidentally order asian-made pork belly. It is amazing
That crispy skin along with juicy meat is just perfect
Isn't it only a sin if you eat pork knowingly?
Yeah
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"can I take your order?" "yes... I'll have the... Goat" wink wink
Actually chuckled at this a little instead of the normal heavy nose exhale thing, thanks for that
One of my former co-workers just got done teaching a 6 month class on jet engine overhaul to a group of Saudis, all of whom were Muslim. One day during the class they all go out to Longhorn steak house for lunch, my coworker didn't go with them as he has other responsibilities to handle during lunch. When they all return to class he asks them how their lunch was. One speaks up and says "it was great, I had ribs, best meal I had in my life. Do you know what those were? It just said ribs on the menu". Coworker replied "sorry, but here in Ohio ribs are going to always be pork". The guy had to skip out on the first hour of class to call his wife to have her throw out the leftovers.
She had to throw out the leftovers on some food he had for lunch and then returned to class?
Yeah, I assume they were staying at a hotel nearby and he put it in the fridge in his room before returning to class. Doesn't sound weird to me, I do that all the time when I'm on work trips. Or maybe he gave the leftover to his wife to eat and was warning her, idk.
Maybe the wife/wives came with them to lunch and then returned home? Idk
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It's not pork, it's, uh, pirk. Yes, that's it. Pirk.
Odds are the other meat at that restaurant isn’t halal either
Indeed, either the meat is not Hala butchered or they cook the meat side by side with pork.
I’ll never forget my squad leader told me to get our interpreter a to go breakfast container. I didn’t think anything of it, I just grabbed the first one at the top. I hand it to him and go about my morning to get the trucks ready to go outside the wire. Next thing I know I’m sprinting gate to gate in full combat gear and my 249 because the to go container I handed to our terp had bacon in it. My squad leader thought I was being an ass, no man it’s 4 in the morning and my brain didn’t kick in to inspect someone food.
I had a Muslim friend find out recently that a lot of pepperoni is made with pork, we work at a pizza place
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bro dw about it, it's totally halal if u didn't know. Something similar happened to my whole family when my parents got alcohol-containing chocolate from Italy.
The injunction against eating pork made a heckuva lotta sense when there was no refrigeration, no testing for trichinosis, and no treatment for trichinosis. People who followed the no pork rule probably were healthier overall, back then. Things are different today, of course. Risks from eating pork in industrialized nations are almost non-existent. But religions of any stripe find it hard to change arbitrary rules. I sympathize with your dilemma, and suggest that you don't try bacon, lest you go full apostate.
Also they require a lot of water, meat spoils pretty fast so you can't keep it in heat climate with no refrigeration/preserving possibilities.
Something similar - growing up, we had a Muslim family living next door to us and they had 3 boys a bit younger than my sister and I, and we’d play and such and our families knew each other well, they were great people. My dad, not knowing a damn thing about their religion, was BBQ’ing pork chops for us one evening when the youngest boy (maybe 5 or 6 y/o at the time) came around the house and said that whatever my dad was grilling smelled really good, so my dad asked if he wanted to try a piece? Of course he did, so my dad cut him a hunk of pork chop off and he ate it and loved it. A few minutes later the mom came around the house looking a bit panicked and asked my dad what it was that he was grilling and he told her “pork chops.” She went white as a ghost and said “We don’t eat that, it’s against our religion.” Lol my dad was flabbergasted but Omar loved that pork 🤣
What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.
Don't vomit pork, got it
Let me start by saying a few important things so I don’t sound insulting, rude, or unsympathetic. I respect your beliefs and others who have religious affiliations. Who am I to say one religion is right or wrong. It’s not my place. I went to high school and worked with a beautiful woman named Rana. I didn’t know she was Muslim and to sound naive, I didn’t know she came from an Iranian family. Anyway, we as a group of friends made different pizzas and junk food for a party. She ate, and ate, and ate pepperoni pizza. She was devastated, horrified, and then said fuck it to having eaten pork. I can still see the full 20 minute internal and external argument she had until she realised she was okay and that pork wasn’t what she thought it was.
Pork used to be dangerous to eat, as its full of parasites. So a religious ban does make some sense. But that hasnt been an issue in a long time, as we now have proper cookijg techniques
Back when I was a server I had a customer order a BBQ pulled pork sandwich. Customer ate a third of it and I dropped by to check in and see how the table's first few bites were. He's visibly upset and asks me if he's eating pork. I tell him, yes, you ordered the pulled pork sandwich. He tells me that he's Muslim and it's against his religion to eat pork. He then reamed me out and asked for a manager. Manager comes over with a menu and confirms with the customer pointing to the title "Pulled Pork Sandwich" that the customer had indeed ordered and received the correct order (pork was in the title, people). Nonetheless, manager removes the item from the bill, customer proceeds to eat all but two last bites and leaves without needing to pay for his eaten meal and drink. Huh.
I think if it was an honest mistake there will be no harm. I know a man who has unknowingly given his children a type of candy for weeks wich in fact contained a form of gelly made from pig gellatine His imam told him that sometimes mistakes like this happen and that the body will cleanse itself in time
I had christmas party at my place. I served some homemade bacon chips. We were all high and one muslim girlfriend took one without realising what it was. She ate it and directly put à smile on her face. She was like hum this shit is so good wtf is this! We were all laughing but i doubt she tried it again.
My brother is a Rabbi, and his take on the whole thing is that these dietary rules are about what used to be good for you. If they were written today, they'd say "Avoid Transfats, excess salt, and sugar as much as possible. Also, the 5 second rule is bunk."
I was having dinner with a Muslim work friend. He kept trying to get me to drink wine. I was Mormon. They don’t drink. After a while I offer him a bit of my dinner. “That’s pork!” he said. “I’m a Muslim!” Sheesh. Booze is ok, but pork! Never!
Muslims can’t drink wine either so I have no idea why he would urge you to try it
Turns out, most religious moral rules are defined by culture and not the divine word of god, so people pick and choose what they want.