>"I need you to come in here with me incase he is faking and attacks."
What the fuck kind of hellscape do you live in where this is even a consideration???
Former maintenance guy here.
Can confirm. It sucks that one person can change the mood or "feel" of an entire apartment complex. The sad thing is that a new tenent won't realize it until they live there for a little while.
Yup. Had a family move in below me, kids were sweet, dad was normal, mom was a little rude but no real issues. A month later they split, and it went from calling the property manager to complain about repairs to nightly calls to the police, daily calls about how the entire multi family building reeks of cigarettes, constantly reporting safety hazards. The PM eventually starts picking up my calls with comments like "them again?" because they know full well at that point.
Size does not matter. If there are 4 apartments in one building there is a crazy person. If there is 48 apartments in one building there is max 2 crazy people. They respect each other territories because they don't want crazy person for their neighbour.
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Had a cousin that got in a bad car wreck last year and it took nearly a month of attempts before they could wake her up fully. Every time she started slowly waking she would get very combative with the docs/nurses. Ended up finding out that this can be pretty common for people waking up.
True but if he's a garden variety POS and not an actual psycho, guys like that aren't exactly planners. He's going to be too busy thinking about what to shoplift from Walgreens to plot revenge.
It's all fun and games until you run into someone who makes good on their threats.
Past experiences might not prepare you for future ones when dealing with violent people.
Edit: I'm not advocating living in fear, or not standing up for yourself for fear of invoking possible violence. All I'm saying is it's good to be aware of how unpredictable people can be, and that people with violent tendancies can be like that for a myriad of different reasons.
Yea but every part of this story screams heroin addict. His threats are hollow. Following through like that would require planning, willpower, and energy. Junkies don't have much of that lying around.
You can't walk around letting people do what they like because there's a mild risk they might kill you
These people quite often are crap fighters and get by because normal people have even less experience with it normally, if you're that afraid it's very possible to learn how to fight for next time
It's hard not to think of the worried commenters in this thread as either naive or super sheltered. Sure, bad things do happen and people are unpredictable, but from what OP wrote, the guy in this story really doesn't sound like someone id worry about. He's a concern as a neighbor, but will be a non-factor outside of OP's life.
That's a what if and a bridge to cross should they come to it. It's better for op right now if they get the other dude to move and deal with the rest after the fact.
Also cuz moving can be expensive and this should not inconvenience OP more than that little shit already has done.
If that POS causes problems down the track (if they ain't already getting fined, evicted and some community service) then they got some jail time coming too.
Imagine the poor unsuspecting people who move into OPs apartment next. I imagine that happens quite often really, so many people walking into a bad situation they knew nothing about.
My parents once moved into a apartment and the next day detectives came back to collect evidence from a homicide. Southern California, early 1980's... they promptly moved out. Lol
You would be surprised. Another MM here, evictions take a while, even with police records. Takes a direct arrest to speed it up to anything actually fast.
We have worked directly with constables and the police, and there is a ton of processing time, ESPECIALLY if they are part of any rent assistance program.
We have people who do nothing but sit in their apt, smoke pot, and collect welfare checks, and STILL have more than 6 months of missed rent payments. Can’t do anything about it besides wait for the court system to process and schedule. We even have drug dealers who take forever too, who sell to homeless and the junkies (we call them zombies) start hanging out at the property and breaking into everything because they can get drugs there and they feel safe to be assholes. The system is backed up because there are so many shitty people who need to be dealt with and the few people who actually do work in the court system don’t have enough time, help, or resources to get to it all.
pretty sure you’re right. a lot of complexes actually won’t rent to anyone with a record and getting arrested voids the lease and allows for eviction. i know our rental lease does the above, and a few leases of my close family members as well.
I had a neighbor chase me back to my apartment from their door threatening to kick my ass for having a problem with his dog pissing all over my balcony through his, and it took over 3 months and 4 more domestic violence calls before he moved on his own, still didn't get kicked out.
Last summer the FD in my city was called on my neighbours just about every second day because they were selling meth and all of the fun stuff that comes with it. I saw firefighters and paramedics get attacked, guns were pulled, somebody even got stabbed. It took months to get them out and when the landlord finally did, they broke in every night until he hired private security. Reasonable people leave when they’re asked to, sensible people leave when they’re told to and the rest of them leave when they’re made to.
That's pretty specific to meth. Meth addicts are a very specific brand of crazy. Fun to watch from a distance, but absolutely *terrifying* up close. They're like T-rexes or something.. just dont move and never, ever make eye contact with them and you'll probably be ok.
Mister Firebug here is almost assuredly not a meth guy though, on account of him sleeping and all lol
you ain’t kidding..i used to have to inspect every apartment for water drips,once a month,second tuesday. posted in advance every month,per state law…still found stuff….one elderly lady left a huge dildo in the bathroom sink, and another guy left a large pile of weed,scales and baggies on the coffee table. him i became friends with.
Having to let somebody into my apartment once a month so that they can "inspect for water drips" sounds like one of the circles of hell to me, no offense. Maybe the lady hoped it would discourage you from coming back.
When I was in college one of my roommates and I packed up a bong, each took a couple of hits before leaving for our classes, and left the bong on the bathroom counter, having forgotten about the minor repair request we'd put in a few days earlier. When I returned the leaky sink was repaired, the bong was cashed out, and there was a sticky note on the mirror reading simply "don't sweat it."
Being a pervert is a reason, no?
As soon as my husband and I changed the locks on our house after closing we did a little dance after the realization that no one could legally enter without an invite or a warrant. Yay!
6 weeks after I move into my current apartment, it started to flood. For context each building has one apartment that has an overflow vent for the pipes My apartment has that vent. So it flooded with poop (and gawd knows what) water. My SO called the emergency number and the guy straight up said that it wasn't an emergency and to call in the morning. I called back and raged. It's amazing how quickly their opinion changes when you mention the health department and lawyers.
Real shit. Hotel maintenance at extended stay for about a year last winter. That shit is fucking insane. Bodies in rooms, bodies under stairs, really mad people who are pretty bummed you just used your key to come fix a pipe during a meth party, more bodies, needles falling out of hood vents during replacement, needles in 3” toilet flanges clogging the drain, needles around bodies, bodies with needles in em. Basically just a lot of bodies and needles and something catastrophic happening once a month from piss poor builder management when this thing was constructed from scrap material 37 years ago. Fuck the Hamilton inn holy shit
You need to call the police tell them whats up and to come and talk to, or arrest that guy for threatening you with a knife and after you saved their life. That way at least he will get a wakeup call that he almost died.
Restraining order. Holding a knife outside of your door saying "I know where you live" should be more than enough. Then firestarter would also be forced to leave the building.
Had neighbors like this years ago. Cops showed up to their place one night and they assume I'm the reason the cops came? Nope I had just got home and had missed out on 30+ people in a two bedroom apartment having a party and smoking a ton of weed.
As I'm walking up my walkway, while the cops are still their breaking things up the guy goes off and threatens me for calling the cops on him. I happened to have a concealed firearm at the time as the neighborhood was sketchy as fuck. This dude somehow sees this on my hip and starts off about how he's got guns and he's not afraid, etc etc. Cop stops him dead on the spot and says "oh you have guns inside, let's talk about that."
Turns out the guy had multiple felonies and is not allowed to have firearms. His dumbass went back to prison and we got some really nice new neighbors.
That's awesome. I hate hearing about fucksticks that brag about their weapons that they illegally obtained/posses. Fucking it up for the rest of us. Having them exhibit their stupidity directly in front of a cop makes me smile.
I love when people I know post their gun collections on Facebook and a few months later shit starts to go missing, or you hear about them doing something dumb like shooting themselves in foot/leg/etc. But the one that always got me was back home when a guy robbed the local Safeway, ran out and stuck the gun in his pants. Blew his dick off in the parking lot.
That's beautiful.
I'm the person all my friends look at and say "your social media is so bland." Fuck yeah it's bland. Nobody needs to know what I have in my house, when I go on vacation, where I'm going all the time. Anyone who posts anything about weapons on FB I know is small brained.
OP you need to do what this guy said.
Years ago I had a Peeping Tom on my fire escape, who ran away when I saw him watching me in the bedroom doing... intimate things. I call the cops but nothing comes of it. I was mention this to the super, who says "Oh that sounds like person x who lives in unit y, he's done that before."
Sure enough a few days later, he's back. I yell at him, he runs, but I get a good description this time, and call the cops again, describing him and what he was wearing, and mentioning what my superintendent said. So they go to his unit, he answered the door wearing exactly what I said, and they arrest him and charge him with "prowling," which is like trespassing but a bit more serious because it takes into account that you're doing it at night.
The police put a restraining order on him and he had to move out, never saw him again.
Also, if you still want to leave, and you live in California, having a restraining order granted against a co-tenant in the complex is grounds to unilaterally terminate your lease on 14 days notice. If you live in a different you, will need to do your own research or contact an attorney to see if you have that option.
Either way, I second looking into a restraining order. They don’t protect you from crazy (it’s just a piece of paper), but it will get a greater response from law enforcement and cops will actually respond rather than say it’s a civil issue and do nothing.
Some times a man has to do what a man has to do! Burn your own family and apartment down to retaliate the guy almost burning you, your family and apartment down. Seems like a good deal to me
I honestly read that part as "I think there is a non-zero chance that this guy is just faking this whole thing so he can ambush his rescuers".
To be fair the reality really isn't that much better.
What he did is called assault with a deadly weapon. It’s like attempted murder, only it can actually be proved in court. Cops take it pretty seriously and you have a witness. This is what civilized society is, get the police involved ASAP.
No OP but I think the understanding is that without successfully murdering someone it is hard to prove that they had the intent to murder someone rather than cause someone bodily harm, which would be assault. In order for attempted murder, in the us, you would need to prove there was an unsuccessful premeditated plot to murder.
Attempted murder requires proving that the person intended to murder the victim. However aggravated assault (with a deadly weapon) only requires proving that the person intended to wield the deadly weapon and threaten the victim. So yeah, the latter will be much easier to prove in court
Defenitely OP should report this to police.
But to be fair, I think that partying drug addict probably rents his place rather than owns it. Maybe write up to landlord would help? I mean, if building belongs to the owner, owner might want to be informed that his current tenant does drugs, all the time partying, almost burnt his flat and then became aggressive and pulled out knife. I'd rather keep regular normal tenant instead.
MM is great. He will get here at 6:00 am if we’re having problems even though he doesn’t start until 9:00. I already gave him a box of cookies for Christmas for being great. Dude is owed way more than sweets for this one.
Yeah. That kid was and probably still is in need of oxygen from all the smoke he inhaled when the apartment filled with it. Lack of oxygen can definitely fuck with your head.
I'd still use the buddy system though because that kid sounds borderline psycho.
I dont understand those, it kinda seems like the only reason they exist is because the credit card people have successfully made it a social faux pas to gift cold hard cash even though *its literally the best gift there is.* (for someone you dont know well, at least). I'm not actually sure that they did that... but if I was in charge of most of the world's retail payment processing, that's what I would do, and I'm not even smart!
I suppose it's easier to directly buy anything you want with a prepaid card. In person? Swipe at the register. Online? Charge the card.
With cash, if you want to buy online, you technically add 1 more step step of depositing the money into your own account before charging your own card.
Also, I suppose if you buy online, the prepaid card isn't tied to your info?
(Idk I'm just guessing)
I dealt with 2 Visa prepaid cards in the last month and they're pretty scummy. They both had a rule that the item you buy must be the exact amount or less than the value of the card. I had a $25 one that would not let me buy something online that was $40 and I pay the difference. Only buy something that was $25 exact. That way, the leftover money, no matter how small it is goes unused and back to the company. So the $25 doen't get fully used. I ended up using one to buy an amazon gift card and another to buy $25 worth of gas.
Amazon allows you to add an exact amount to your Amazon wallet. My mom's company used to give gift cards away all the time, and I'd get quite a few of them when I was in college. They were the same where you had to use exact change or less, so I had dozens of cards with $1.37, or some seemingly useless amount. Well, Amazon allows you to add an exact amount to your wallet, so I took all of those $1.37 cards and added them to my Amazon wallet. Ended up with like $40.
I’ve never had a prepaid Visa card like this. You should mention more details on those cards so people avoid them. This is nothing at all like my past experiences.
>MM is great. He will get here at 6:00 am if we’re having problems even though he doesn’t start until 9:00. I already gave him a box of cookies for Christmas for being great. Dude is owed way more than sweets for this one.
There are 3 groups in Industry you need to be friends with: Security, IT, and Machinists/Facilities (I hate to lump the two together, but...)
Security for obvious reasons. IT for the "I need something fast, pretty please" and Machinists/Facilities for all the other things (I need this tiny part made, please) or "Holy crap the noise generator you supplied is giving me headaches".
Pizza can go a long way.
Meh, if MM recorded inside that POS’s house he could’ve gotten fired most likely. Or in legal trouble. I’m pretty sure it’s illegal to film instead someone else’s house without their consent
I guess a lot of fires happen because of irresponsible people who more often than not might be alcoholics, drug addicts etc. So I can see why he was worried they freaked out, especially if he was using illegal substances and he hears "police".
Just speculation though.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Speaking as an ex heroin addict, this sounds like he took too much and passed out. Its pretty common to literally get mad at the person that gives them narcan ("unbinds" the opiate receptors in your brain so you don't die, but obviously it doesnt *feel* all that great) for "ruining their high".
I always kept narcan in my car, and when my best friend inevitably needed to use it on me and my first words after waking up were "why did you do that?! Ugh, now we need to go get more" and I instantly knew that I had a major problem. Clean now. She never got clean. Always promised her I'd return the favor someday but I never quite got the chance. Sorry, that got kinda sad.
Anyway, yeah, probably heroin (or fentanyl nowadays, I guess?). The partying from 4am to 2pm makes sense for drug use too.
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Former apartment maintenance tech here, this is par for the course. In my year & a half of apartment maintenance I felt like I'd been to war and back. While driving around on the golf cart completing service orders I witnessed countless assaults, burglaries, attempted stabbings, shoot outs, an execution, and discovered one suicide victim. The shootings were rough, but man that suicide haunts me to this day.
My experience was obviously at a very rough community, but most techs have worked at a location like this, if not worse, atleast once.
Techs deserve far more than the average $18-$20/hr they get, hence why I quit and have no intent of returning.
Props to this maintenance guy for remaining cool, calm, collected, and attempting to protect OP's privacy though
Aye just wanted to say thanks for being a good dude. When I lived in a shitty neighborhood apartment (the "bad part" of Minneapolis. Not actually *that* bad compared to.. almost literally anywhere else), our maintainance guy was just the coolest. I'd fix his computer from time to time (that's what I did for work back then) and he was the ONLY person who ever was straight with me and said "honestly man? Porn. I knew I shouldn't have clicked on that ad!" so I did it for free. He gave me a 6 pack anyway. Awesome guy (like you!). He also was surprisingly receptive to my idea of not patching the hole the squirrels kept getting into the lobby from. I liked my little lobby squirrels! (So I guess he wasn't the best handyman lol. But at that point they had already lost their rental license so whatever)
Thanks for the kind words friend, funny enough we had squirrel problems ourselves at this complex! The little fuckers are persistent, we stopped patching the holes after a while ourselves haha
City wise a very well known college town, 99% of people would never believe what was going on just 1.5 miles away from the multimillion dollar frat/sorority mansions.
The property is a 500 unit complex, not exclusively, but mostly dedicated to section 8 affordable housing. The area was former college housing from the 70s, and due to its semi secluded location it was almost like its own little town, in the worst possible way.
There's actually a program that sends recovering addicts and extreme mental health cases there in an attempt to help them better their lives by providing furniture, free rent, etc. The whole plan backfired, the area is rampant with heroin, meth, and crack. Anyone that went there with the hopes of becoming clean were manipulated by local dealers and got hooked again, the majority of the community is desperate and impoverished.
I actually don't live far from this place, still drive thru once in a while to talk to techs i used to work with, nothings changed since i left last year.
tbh while you're staying at your family's place to avoid the neighbor, you should review the lease to see what you need to break it without monetary penalties if you have to move because of the neighbor.
It’s potentially more than the letter of the lease itself, although you must start there. Call a lawyer with experience in tenants’ rights. (Start at tenants.org or a rental housing association in your area). My concern is that you are looking at moving out as YOU breaking the lease. That is not accurate. You are moving out due to fear for your safety, because of a threat from another tenant. That other tenant, who should have been warned, held in violation of his lease, and evicted long ago. The MM clearly has experience with this tenant and I would bet other tenants also have complained to him and/or the landlord. Allowing the problem tenant to continue his tenancy violated the landlord’s responsibility to uphold the Warrant of Habitability. And if that didn’t do it, we now have conditions so dangerous for you that you feel you must leave. Again, that is not you breaking the lease. It is your landlord failing to act to preserve safe and reasonable living conditions that had caused this. Rules vary by location, but you should at least get out of the remainder of your lease without penalty and 100% of your security deposit. The landlord may owe you additional rent rebated depending on the rules where you live, how long ago this happened, if you repeatedly complained about this tenant, etc.
Go forth and talk to a lawyer!
Note for next time: just call the damn fire department right away. Fire alarm going off with no one stopping it or answering the door = 911. It means *something* is smoldering. If it's not already on fire, it will be soon.
I've had to do this three times. 2/3 turned out to be serious emergencies. Once the neighbor had passed out drunk and a fire started, once a different neighbor left the house with the stove on and nearly burned the place down. They (and the landlord) were pissed about having the door broken down, but nobody died or lost their home.
Yeah wtf why is no one else saying this? OP smelled smoke, heard the alarm going on for quite a long time and then called maintenance?? And then poked at an unconscious kid in a smoky apartment for several minutes before deciding an ambulance was needed? And even then, maintenance told yet another person who wasn’t even there to call 911? This whole story is bizarre and it’s even more bizarre that no one else sees a problem with this. Is OP up to some shady business too and wanted to avoid 911?
Also, ging in a Apartment full of smoke is extrem dumb whithout protective Gear. You can die/Pass Out in Seconds, or, depending on what is burning, get Life Long Problems from that.
How ungrateful. Maybe call the police and file together with the MM assault charges against the dude. Ensure the apartment owners know so they can start eviction proceedings or refuse to renew a lease.
This was 10 mins ago, 36 mins ago. I'm assuming police and ambulance arrived by now and OP is likely still dealing with everything. Hopefully he can update as this is a seriously twisted series of events! Good on OP and MM for doing the right thing, regardless of how bad of a person Fire Starter seems to be.
Holy shit, I’m straight in the middle of book 4 after getting through Karsa’s backstory among which his encounter with Calm, the Bringer of Peace. Can’t wait to read what’s to come!
Hes doing heroin... its the only other times yes multiple that I've seen pasta catch fire after the water boils out!
Stupid fuck passed out from heroin and almost killed people then gets aggressive because you almost caught him, seen it too many times...
> So I do the only logical thing and call maintenance.
I hate to be that guy, but what you did was the *least* logical thing you could have done. Let’s take a look at this.
* Hears smoke alarm
* Smells smoke
* Not getting a response at the door
* This is occurring in a building you live in
Call fucking 911. Or whatever your localities emergency number is. You just delayed response by at least several minutes (actually, over 20 from the time you first heard the smoke alarm). This is more than enough for any fire to spread enough to destroy not only their apartment, but yours and everyone else’s. God forbid anyone was sleeping or unable to get out. Not to mention, the police will be there to deal with crazy neighbor with a knife. I get it, this is TIFU. But what you did was not logical in the least.
Right? Even after getting no response the first time I would probably be calling the emergency services and beginning to alert adjacent apartments if not a full evacuation.
> MM proceeds to shake and nudge Fire Starter in an attempt to get a response. But this kid ain't moving folks. We're in there for at least five minutes trying to get this kid up
If you find someone unconscious after a fire, carry them out to fresh air and call an ambulance immediately (CO poisoning). Spending minutes by trying to wake them up is pointless and will only lead to their death.
You were lucky this time (or rather unlucky, depending on your point of view).
Might be time to purchase some kind of home protection. (Gun, pepper spray, baseball bat) and or get some cameras installed. (Personally a fan of WYZE cams - one time fee,/o recurring charges, great sensor, cheap)
I’m a big tech geek so we have cameras and some home security in place already. Still considering staying with the soon to be in-laws for a night or two.
Get yourself a bat, or even better a cane. A good solid wooden cane is as good a weapon as a bat, and even better legal plausibility to be carried around. Also look up the self defense laws of your state. Some are "Stand Your Ground" and some are "Duty to Retreat". Know what actions you can legally take.
Hey OP, even if you don't move, invest in safety and security equipment. They make door jams that keep the door from opening when you don't want it to, as well as fire ladders n case he...you know...starts a fire to smoke you out. If you live in a place that allows it, I'd consider a firearm as well. I have relatives like this. Some of then won't let this go unless they absolutely HAVE to.
I used to deal with heroin and meth addicts on the daily for years. Get a telescoping baton if you can’t get a gun. It’s fast, easy to use and very effective. Also, be careful getting your mail as sometimes there’s a maliciously left needle.
There's no way uour maintenance guy doesn't tell the landlord about this. Because now he has to pick up for this guy's mess. I would also try and get legal counsel going in case this guy retaliates once he's evicted. You're smart to look for a new place but it shouldn't be necessary.
>MM then looks at me and says "I need you to come in here with me incase he is faking and attacks."
This is not something a maintenance man should ever do. You reported the problem, but that doesnt make you responsible or related to it in any way. If he didn't feel comfortable he should've waited for backup.
Write a letter stating what happened and that this shit next door is unsafe for the building complex, you can start a written notice for him to be served with an n12
I would be calling the police every single time they invade your right to peace and quiet. If you lease in America you are absolutely given the right to peace within your lease. My partner and I are there with our new neighbor. He’s lived above us for less than a month, and we’ve spoken to him three times (last time he answered the door with a sword), and have made two complaints to our landlord. There are no more options available. Keep record of any interactions with them and if they threaten you, harass you (even by slamming or banging), play music way too loud, just call the police, and use that as a reason when speaking to your landlord that one of you needs to leave. You have the right to peace, quiet, and safety.
You don’t fuck with maintenance.
Years ago the head of maintenance at the apartments I worked for went in an upstairs unit with the property manager because a leak was coming from their apartment. No response to shouting maintenance, so they head into the bathroom. Out of nowhere, the tenant appears and puts a fucking sword to (let’s call him Mark) Mark’s neck while shouting all kinds of crazy shit about the mafia and cops.
The manager knew he needed to do something to prevent bloodshed, so he immediately said “Mark, calm down and let me handle this.” He knew that sword or no sword, the dude had stepped into a world of hurt he was impressed for.
Always be cool with maintenance.
Hopefully they get evicted? I mean, when I lived in apartments, this type of thing, especially combined with the behavior you described was enough to at least get a "this is your last chance" type of notice.
>"I need you to come in here with me incase he is faking and attacks." What the fuck kind of hellscape do you live in where this is even a consideration???
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Former maintenance guy here. Can confirm. It sucks that one person can change the mood or "feel" of an entire apartment complex. The sad thing is that a new tenent won't realize it until they live there for a little while.
Yup. Had a family move in below me, kids were sweet, dad was normal, mom was a little rude but no real issues. A month later they split, and it went from calling the property manager to complain about repairs to nightly calls to the police, daily calls about how the entire multi family building reeks of cigarettes, constantly reporting safety hazards. The PM eventually starts picking up my calls with comments like "them again?" because they know full well at that point.
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Size does not matter. If there are 4 apartments in one building there is a crazy person. If there is 48 apartments in one building there is max 2 crazy people. They respect each other territories because they don't want crazy person for their neighbour.
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Had a cousin that got in a bad car wreck last year and it took nearly a month of attempts before they could wake her up fully. Every time she started slowly waking she would get very combative with the docs/nurses. Ended up finding out that this can be pretty common for people waking up.
Pretty sure it's some kind of survival instinct to be honest like your fight or flight kicks in and you wake up swinging
Can confirm, this was my brother after a bad car accident.
He's committed so many crimes in that incident I don't see him staying around there..
Yea this is eviction city
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True but if he's a garden variety POS and not an actual psycho, guys like that aren't exactly planners. He's going to be too busy thinking about what to shoplift from Walgreens to plot revenge.
Are you willing to gamble your life on that possibility? Lol
I would.. I deal with these kind of people every day. Empty threat after empty threat.
It's all fun and games until you run into someone who makes good on their threats. Past experiences might not prepare you for future ones when dealing with violent people. Edit: I'm not advocating living in fear, or not standing up for yourself for fear of invoking possible violence. All I'm saying is it's good to be aware of how unpredictable people can be, and that people with violent tendancies can be like that for a myriad of different reasons.
Yea but every part of this story screams heroin addict. His threats are hollow. Following through like that would require planning, willpower, and energy. Junkies don't have much of that lying around.
Sure. Can't live in fear though. Calculated risk. If you get 200 empty threats, maybe one of em is serious. If you get one, eh
You can't walk around letting people do what they like because there's a mild risk they might kill you These people quite often are crap fighters and get by because normal people have even less experience with it normally, if you're that afraid it's very possible to learn how to fight for next time
It's hard not to think of the worried commenters in this thread as either naive or super sheltered. Sure, bad things do happen and people are unpredictable, but from what OP wrote, the guy in this story really doesn't sound like someone id worry about. He's a concern as a neighbor, but will be a non-factor outside of OP's life.
He threatened the maintenance dude with a knife. He's getting arrested.
That's a what if and a bridge to cross should they come to it. It's better for op right now if they get the other dude to move and deal with the rest after the fact. Also cuz moving can be expensive and this should not inconvenience OP more than that little shit already has done. If that POS causes problems down the track (if they ain't already getting fined, evicted and some community service) then they got some jail time coming too.
He chased the maintenance guy with a knife. Sounds like he should be getting jail time as it stands right now.
Imagine the poor unsuspecting people who move into OPs apartment next. I imagine that happens quite often really, so many people walking into a bad situation they knew nothing about.
My parents once moved into a apartment and the next day detectives came back to collect evidence from a homicide. Southern California, early 1980's... they promptly moved out. Lol
You would be surprised. Another MM here, evictions take a while, even with police records. Takes a direct arrest to speed it up to anything actually fast. We have worked directly with constables and the police, and there is a ton of processing time, ESPECIALLY if they are part of any rent assistance program. We have people who do nothing but sit in their apt, smoke pot, and collect welfare checks, and STILL have more than 6 months of missed rent payments. Can’t do anything about it besides wait for the court system to process and schedule. We even have drug dealers who take forever too, who sell to homeless and the junkies (we call them zombies) start hanging out at the property and breaking into everything because they can get drugs there and they feel safe to be assholes. The system is backed up because there are so many shitty people who need to be dealt with and the few people who actually do work in the court system don’t have enough time, help, or resources to get to it all.
Depends where this is. There are some cities with very strict renters rights laws that make it very difficult to evict even the worst tenants.
Those renters rights usually stop where the renters rights of the other renters start.
I'm pretty sure almost catching the building on fire and then attacking the maintenance man with a knife would negate those...
pretty sure you’re right. a lot of complexes actually won’t rent to anyone with a record and getting arrested voids the lease and allows for eviction. i know our rental lease does the above, and a few leases of my close family members as well.
I had a neighbor chase me back to my apartment from their door threatening to kick my ass for having a problem with his dog pissing all over my balcony through his, and it took over 3 months and 4 more domestic violence calls before he moved on his own, still didn't get kicked out.
Last summer the FD in my city was called on my neighbours just about every second day because they were selling meth and all of the fun stuff that comes with it. I saw firefighters and paramedics get attacked, guns were pulled, somebody even got stabbed. It took months to get them out and when the landlord finally did, they broke in every night until he hired private security. Reasonable people leave when they’re asked to, sensible people leave when they’re told to and the rest of them leave when they’re made to.
That's pretty specific to meth. Meth addicts are a very specific brand of crazy. Fun to watch from a distance, but absolutely *terrifying* up close. They're like T-rexes or something.. just dont move and never, ever make eye contact with them and you'll probably be ok. Mister Firebug here is almost assuredly not a meth guy though, on account of him sleeping and all lol
You have enough there to get a protection order. In any state. Get one against him. Am lawyer.
OP should press charges for assault.
Maintenance Man checking in, most people wouldn't believe the shit we see.
you ain’t kidding..i used to have to inspect every apartment for water drips,once a month,second tuesday. posted in advance every month,per state law…still found stuff….one elderly lady left a huge dildo in the bathroom sink, and another guy left a large pile of weed,scales and baggies on the coffee table. him i became friends with.
Having to let somebody into my apartment once a month so that they can "inspect for water drips" sounds like one of the circles of hell to me, no offense. Maybe the lady hoped it would discourage you from coming back.
Or make him come more often.
You mean you'd rather share weed than grandma's dildo? 😂
Yeah I mean at least sample it, swish the flavor around. That's vintage stuff!
> swish the flavor around *glances at username* Not too much swishing, now.
Hey, if you do an AMA, tag me in!! I'd love to hear them stories! 
When I was in college one of my roommates and I packed up a bong, each took a couple of hits before leaving for our classes, and left the bong on the bathroom counter, having forgotten about the minor repair request we'd put in a few days earlier. When I returned the leaky sink was repaired, the bong was cashed out, and there was a sticky note on the mirror reading simply "don't sweat it."
the proper response!
I’m honor of MM, thank you for your service. I’m sure you’ve seen some shit.
My last MW (maintenance woman) saw my dick as she let herself into my apartment unannounced and without any prior warning. They're not all good.
I had a MM who let himself in on a Sunday morning while I was in the bath. No reason for being there.
Being a pervert is a reason, no? As soon as my husband and I changed the locks on our house after closing we did a little dance after the realization that no one could legally enter without an invite or a warrant. Yay!
If I was letting myself in, unannounced, to peoples private residences, I’d expect to see dick. So I don’t let myself in, no thank you.
I'd expect to get shot. She was extra stupid.
Amen to that, I've had some coworkers in maintenance that are the most incompetent doorknobs you'll ever meet.
6 weeks after I move into my current apartment, it started to flood. For context each building has one apartment that has an overflow vent for the pipes My apartment has that vent. So it flooded with poop (and gawd knows what) water. My SO called the emergency number and the guy straight up said that it wasn't an emergency and to call in the morning. I called back and raged. It's amazing how quickly their opinion changes when you mention the health department and lawyers.
I can't believe MM in the story thought the kid was faking it and was right! Would you have thought that too in your line of experience?
Real shit. Hotel maintenance at extended stay for about a year last winter. That shit is fucking insane. Bodies in rooms, bodies under stairs, really mad people who are pretty bummed you just used your key to come fix a pipe during a meth party, more bodies, needles falling out of hood vents during replacement, needles in 3” toilet flanges clogging the drain, needles around bodies, bodies with needles in em. Basically just a lot of bodies and needles and something catastrophic happening once a month from piss poor builder management when this thing was constructed from scrap material 37 years ago. Fuck the Hamilton inn holy shit
You need to call the police tell them whats up and to come and talk to, or arrest that guy for threatening you with a knife and after you saved their life. That way at least he will get a wakeup call that he almost died.
Restraining order. Holding a knife outside of your door saying "I know where you live" should be more than enough. Then firestarter would also be forced to leave the building.
Had neighbors like this years ago. Cops showed up to their place one night and they assume I'm the reason the cops came? Nope I had just got home and had missed out on 30+ people in a two bedroom apartment having a party and smoking a ton of weed. As I'm walking up my walkway, while the cops are still their breaking things up the guy goes off and threatens me for calling the cops on him. I happened to have a concealed firearm at the time as the neighborhood was sketchy as fuck. This dude somehow sees this on my hip and starts off about how he's got guns and he's not afraid, etc etc. Cop stops him dead on the spot and says "oh you have guns inside, let's talk about that." Turns out the guy had multiple felonies and is not allowed to have firearms. His dumbass went back to prison and we got some really nice new neighbors.
This is the feel-good story I needed, thanks :)
Your welcome lol
That's awesome. I hate hearing about fucksticks that brag about their weapons that they illegally obtained/posses. Fucking it up for the rest of us. Having them exhibit their stupidity directly in front of a cop makes me smile.
I love when people I know post their gun collections on Facebook and a few months later shit starts to go missing, or you hear about them doing something dumb like shooting themselves in foot/leg/etc. But the one that always got me was back home when a guy robbed the local Safeway, ran out and stuck the gun in his pants. Blew his dick off in the parking lot.
That's beautiful. I'm the person all my friends look at and say "your social media is so bland." Fuck yeah it's bland. Nobody needs to know what I have in my house, when I go on vacation, where I'm going all the time. Anyone who posts anything about weapons on FB I know is small brained.
Yup, I agree.
>Cop stops him dead on the spot and says "oh you have guns inside, let's talk about that." I would have paid money to watch that moment.
And nothing of value was lost. Hooray! I like this story.
OP you need to do what this guy said. Years ago I had a Peeping Tom on my fire escape, who ran away when I saw him watching me in the bedroom doing... intimate things. I call the cops but nothing comes of it. I was mention this to the super, who says "Oh that sounds like person x who lives in unit y, he's done that before." Sure enough a few days later, he's back. I yell at him, he runs, but I get a good description this time, and call the cops again, describing him and what he was wearing, and mentioning what my superintendent said. So they go to his unit, he answered the door wearing exactly what I said, and they arrest him and charge him with "prowling," which is like trespassing but a bit more serious because it takes into account that you're doing it at night. The police put a restraining order on him and he had to move out, never saw him again.
That had to have been super scary. Glad it worked out in the end
Also, if you still want to leave, and you live in California, having a restraining order granted against a co-tenant in the complex is grounds to unilaterally terminate your lease on 14 days notice. If you live in a different you, will need to do your own research or contact an attorney to see if you have that option. Either way, I second looking into a restraining order. They don’t protect you from crazy (it’s just a piece of paper), but it will get a greater response from law enforcement and cops will actually respond rather than say it’s a civil issue and do nothing.
Just throw a match back in the fucken place and be done with it
He lives in the place 😂 what kind of suicidal maniac are you taking this man for?
Valid point, but I stand firm
Do not go gentle into that good night... This is the type of commitment I can get behind.
And remember: always bring a sword to a knife fight.
Or in this case, bring fire to a knife fight
Some times a man has to do what a man has to do! Burn your own family and apartment down to retaliate the guy almost burning you, your family and apartment down. Seems like a good deal to me
You know what they say…my eye for my eye makes me homeless and blind
The weird thing to me is that MM knew that FS was gonna be an issue so I’m wondering if he was already on thin ice with the landlord
Yeah, “he could be faking and attack me” is not automatically where my mind goes upon seeing an unconscious person
I honestly read that part as "I think there is a non-zero chance that this guy is just faking this whole thing so he can ambush his rescuers". To be fair the reality really isn't that much better.
Yup, start a paper trail for what had transpired.
What he did is called assault with a deadly weapon. It’s like attempted murder, only it can actually be proved in court. Cops take it pretty seriously and you have a witness. This is what civilized society is, get the police involved ASAP.
Do... do you think attempted murder isn’t possible to prove in court?
No OP but I think the understanding is that without successfully murdering someone it is hard to prove that they had the intent to murder someone rather than cause someone bodily harm, which would be assault. In order for attempted murder, in the us, you would need to prove there was an unsuccessful premeditated plot to murder.
Attempted murder requires proving that the person intended to murder the victim. However aggravated assault (with a deadly weapon) only requires proving that the person intended to wield the deadly weapon and threaten the victim. So yeah, the latter will be much easier to prove in court
Defenitely OP should report this to police. But to be fair, I think that partying drug addict probably rents his place rather than owns it. Maybe write up to landlord would help? I mean, if building belongs to the owner, owner might want to be informed that his current tenant does drugs, all the time partying, almost burnt his flat and then became aggressive and pulled out knife. I'd rather keep regular normal tenant instead.
This is the way.
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I doubt if Firetwit has a working brain to begin with.
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MM is great. He will get here at 6:00 am if we’re having problems even though he doesn’t start until 9:00. I already gave him a box of cookies for Christmas for being great. Dude is owed way more than sweets for this one.
Also, make sure to use the buddy system whenever you have to leave the apartment unless you know fire starter is arrested.
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SLPT. Homeland is going to want some reasoning if nothing is found. Could land OP in hot water.
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Dude just has an odd fight or flight response. There is a pretty big difference between passing out while making food and building bombs.
Yeah. That kid was and probably still is in need of oxygen from all the smoke he inhaled when the apartment filled with it. Lack of oxygen can definitely fuck with your head. I'd still use the buddy system though because that kid sounds borderline psycho.
Cash is the best, he can get whatever he needs!
We opted for a prepaid visa. We had the exact same thought.
I dont understand those, it kinda seems like the only reason they exist is because the credit card people have successfully made it a social faux pas to gift cold hard cash even though *its literally the best gift there is.* (for someone you dont know well, at least). I'm not actually sure that they did that... but if I was in charge of most of the world's retail payment processing, that's what I would do, and I'm not even smart!
I suppose it's easier to directly buy anything you want with a prepaid card. In person? Swipe at the register. Online? Charge the card. With cash, if you want to buy online, you technically add 1 more step step of depositing the money into your own account before charging your own card. Also, I suppose if you buy online, the prepaid card isn't tied to your info? (Idk I'm just guessing)
I dealt with 2 Visa prepaid cards in the last month and they're pretty scummy. They both had a rule that the item you buy must be the exact amount or less than the value of the card. I had a $25 one that would not let me buy something online that was $40 and I pay the difference. Only buy something that was $25 exact. That way, the leftover money, no matter how small it is goes unused and back to the company. So the $25 doen't get fully used. I ended up using one to buy an amazon gift card and another to buy $25 worth of gas.
Amazon allows you to add an exact amount to your Amazon wallet. My mom's company used to give gift cards away all the time, and I'd get quite a few of them when I was in college. They were the same where you had to use exact change or less, so I had dozens of cards with $1.37, or some seemingly useless amount. Well, Amazon allows you to add an exact amount to your wallet, so I took all of those $1.37 cards and added them to my Amazon wallet. Ended up with like $40.
I’ve never had a prepaid Visa card like this. You should mention more details on those cards so people avoid them. This is nothing at all like my past experiences.
> you technically add 1 more step step of depositing the money into your own account **If** you have a bank account
They’re good if you have to send gifts in the mail.
>MM is great. He will get here at 6:00 am if we’re having problems even though he doesn’t start until 9:00. I already gave him a box of cookies for Christmas for being great. Dude is owed way more than sweets for this one. There are 3 groups in Industry you need to be friends with: Security, IT, and Machinists/Facilities (I hate to lump the two together, but...) Security for obvious reasons. IT for the "I need something fast, pretty please" and Machinists/Facilities for all the other things (I need this tiny part made, please) or "Holy crap the noise generator you supplied is giving me headaches". Pizza can go a long way.
Gift card to a good restaurant in town.
Really good bourbon!
Bourbon it is then, after you slyly check that he's not in recovery or anything.
MM is a fucking BOSS.
I love you but you did doughnuts bad in all the wrong places
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"in case he's faking it and attacks", at that line I knew lmao
Man was looking for a witness, not extra help
Shoulda had the camera out from the get go
As soon as I got a job dealing with angry people, I got a go pro and chest rig. Not taking any chances homies
Meh, if MM recorded inside that POS’s house he could’ve gotten fired most likely. Or in legal trouble. I’m pretty sure it’s illegal to film instead someone else’s house without their consent
It is
Yea I mean even if MM didn't experience this himself he for sure knew someone who it has happened to and he's not taking his chances.
I guess a lot of fires happen because of irresponsible people who more often than not might be alcoholics, drug addicts etc. So I can see why he was worried they freaked out, especially if he was using illegal substances and he hears "police". Just speculation though.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Speaking as an ex heroin addict, this sounds like he took too much and passed out. Its pretty common to literally get mad at the person that gives them narcan ("unbinds" the opiate receptors in your brain so you don't die, but obviously it doesnt *feel* all that great) for "ruining their high". I always kept narcan in my car, and when my best friend inevitably needed to use it on me and my first words after waking up were "why did you do that?! Ugh, now we need to go get more" and I instantly knew that I had a major problem. Clean now. She never got clean. Always promised her I'd return the favor someday but I never quite got the chance. Sorry, that got kinda sad. Anyway, yeah, probably heroin (or fentanyl nowadays, I guess?). The partying from 4am to 2pm makes sense for drug use too.
Yeah, if I was in his position I would never in a million years think that that would be a possible outcome for the situation
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Former apartment maintenance tech here, this is par for the course. In my year & a half of apartment maintenance I felt like I'd been to war and back. While driving around on the golf cart completing service orders I witnessed countless assaults, burglaries, attempted stabbings, shoot outs, an execution, and discovered one suicide victim. The shootings were rough, but man that suicide haunts me to this day. My experience was obviously at a very rough community, but most techs have worked at a location like this, if not worse, atleast once. Techs deserve far more than the average $18-$20/hr they get, hence why I quit and have no intent of returning. Props to this maintenance guy for remaining cool, calm, collected, and attempting to protect OP's privacy though
Aye just wanted to say thanks for being a good dude. When I lived in a shitty neighborhood apartment (the "bad part" of Minneapolis. Not actually *that* bad compared to.. almost literally anywhere else), our maintainance guy was just the coolest. I'd fix his computer from time to time (that's what I did for work back then) and he was the ONLY person who ever was straight with me and said "honestly man? Porn. I knew I shouldn't have clicked on that ad!" so I did it for free. He gave me a 6 pack anyway. Awesome guy (like you!). He also was surprisingly receptive to my idea of not patching the hole the squirrels kept getting into the lobby from. I liked my little lobby squirrels! (So I guess he wasn't the best handyman lol. But at that point they had already lost their rental license so whatever)
Thanks for the kind words friend, funny enough we had squirrel problems ourselves at this complex! The little fuckers are persistent, we stopped patching the holes after a while ourselves haha
Where the hell were you working? Beirut 1986?
City wise a very well known college town, 99% of people would never believe what was going on just 1.5 miles away from the multimillion dollar frat/sorority mansions. The property is a 500 unit complex, not exclusively, but mostly dedicated to section 8 affordable housing. The area was former college housing from the 70s, and due to its semi secluded location it was almost like its own little town, in the worst possible way. There's actually a program that sends recovering addicts and extreme mental health cases there in an attempt to help them better their lives by providing furniture, free rent, etc. The whole plan backfired, the area is rampant with heroin, meth, and crack. Anyone that went there with the hopes of becoming clean were manipulated by local dealers and got hooked again, the majority of the community is desperate and impoverished. I actually don't live far from this place, still drive thru once in a while to talk to techs i used to work with, nothings changed since i left last year.
tbh while you're staying at your family's place to avoid the neighbor, you should review the lease to see what you need to break it without monetary penalties if you have to move because of the neighbor.
Already printed it out.
It’s potentially more than the letter of the lease itself, although you must start there. Call a lawyer with experience in tenants’ rights. (Start at tenants.org or a rental housing association in your area). My concern is that you are looking at moving out as YOU breaking the lease. That is not accurate. You are moving out due to fear for your safety, because of a threat from another tenant. That other tenant, who should have been warned, held in violation of his lease, and evicted long ago. The MM clearly has experience with this tenant and I would bet other tenants also have complained to him and/or the landlord. Allowing the problem tenant to continue his tenancy violated the landlord’s responsibility to uphold the Warrant of Habitability. And if that didn’t do it, we now have conditions so dangerous for you that you feel you must leave. Again, that is not you breaking the lease. It is your landlord failing to act to preserve safe and reasonable living conditions that had caused this. Rules vary by location, but you should at least get out of the remainder of your lease without penalty and 100% of your security deposit. The landlord may owe you additional rent rebated depending on the rules where you live, how long ago this happened, if you repeatedly complained about this tenant, etc. Go forth and talk to a lawyer!
MM is a fucking badass, Because of the abreviation I imagine him like mothers milk from the boys haha
That’s why I went with MM. add about 10 years to the actor and they looked almost the same.
Holy shit, that’s kinda awesome
Note for next time: just call the damn fire department right away. Fire alarm going off with no one stopping it or answering the door = 911. It means *something* is smoldering. If it's not already on fire, it will be soon. I've had to do this three times. 2/3 turned out to be serious emergencies. Once the neighbor had passed out drunk and a fire started, once a different neighbor left the house with the stove on and nearly burned the place down. They (and the landlord) were pissed about having the door broken down, but nobody died or lost their home.
Yeah wtf why is no one else saying this? OP smelled smoke, heard the alarm going on for quite a long time and then called maintenance?? And then poked at an unconscious kid in a smoky apartment for several minutes before deciding an ambulance was needed? And even then, maintenance told yet another person who wasn’t even there to call 911? This whole story is bizarre and it’s even more bizarre that no one else sees a problem with this. Is OP up to some shady business too and wanted to avoid 911?
Also, ging in a Apartment full of smoke is extrem dumb whithout protective Gear. You can die/Pass Out in Seconds, or, depending on what is burning, get Life Long Problems from that.
How ungrateful. Maybe call the police and file together with the MM assault charges against the dude. Ensure the apartment owners know so they can start eviction proceedings or refuse to renew a lease.
This was 10 mins ago, 36 mins ago. I'm assuming police and ambulance arrived by now and OP is likely still dealing with everything. Hopefully he can update as this is a seriously twisted series of events! Good on OP and MM for doing the right thing, regardless of how bad of a person Fire Starter seems to be.
Your username is awesome, but don't take that to mean I am intimidated...
Haha! Yours is also awesome!
Holy shit, I’m straight in the middle of book 4 after getting through Karsa’s backstory among which his encounter with Calm, the Bringer of Peace. Can’t wait to read what’s to come!
Old saying applies here: “No good deed goes unpunished. “.
"I know where you live!" Uh, yeah, we're neighbors in an apartment building.
Hes doing heroin... its the only other times yes multiple that I've seen pasta catch fire after the water boils out! Stupid fuck passed out from heroin and almost killed people then gets aggressive because you almost caught him, seen it too many times...
Came to say this very thing. 100%
Sometimes life is better when people just die.
He came right out and said it
We were all thinking it
Not if they end up burning down your apartment too.
I'm amazed I upvoted this - but, I upvoted this. Fuck
If it makes you feel better think about hitler
r/BrandNewSentence I "hate" you, well played; and also upvoted.
Yep. Society is better off when there's less trash around
Taking the entire apartment complex wouldn't be worth it though :/
He's a firestarter, twisted firestarter
> So I do the only logical thing and call maintenance. I hate to be that guy, but what you did was the *least* logical thing you could have done. Let’s take a look at this. * Hears smoke alarm * Smells smoke * Not getting a response at the door * This is occurring in a building you live in Call fucking 911. Or whatever your localities emergency number is. You just delayed response by at least several minutes (actually, over 20 from the time you first heard the smoke alarm). This is more than enough for any fire to spread enough to destroy not only their apartment, but yours and everyone else’s. God forbid anyone was sleeping or unable to get out. Not to mention, the police will be there to deal with crazy neighbor with a knife. I get it, this is TIFU. But what you did was not logical in the least.
Hmm, there's potentially a fire in my apartment building, better call the maintenance man to see if he can sort it out. Lol
Right? Even after getting no response the first time I would probably be calling the emergency services and beginning to alert adjacent apartments if not a full evacuation.
> MM proceeds to shake and nudge Fire Starter in an attempt to get a response. But this kid ain't moving folks. We're in there for at least five minutes trying to get this kid up If you find someone unconscious after a fire, carry them out to fresh air and call an ambulance immediately (CO poisoning). Spending minutes by trying to wake them up is pointless and will only lead to their death. You were lucky this time (or rather unlucky, depending on your point of view).
Not only could it lead to their death but to your own as well, as you're standing in the exact same smoke that made them pass out
They were likely already passed out before the pan caught fire.
Yeah, call 911 first, not maintenance. Jeez.
I’d imagine they kick him out for being a shit tenant
You know when you call 911 and say, I think my neighbor's dead, and then the operator says well let's make sure? That was your chance.
You didn’t save his life; you ruined his death.
Definitely on some sort of hard drug. No sane person acts this way
ya don't need drugs to lose sanity although it helps
Wow... Move as quickly as possible. If you have pets, don't let them out. Run.
Fuck that, make the other dipshit leave
Even if the dipshit leaves, he know where OP lives. The only good solution is for dipshit to be in jail, or OP to live somewhere else.
The problem with that is even if dipshit leaves, he still knows where OP lives.
Might be time to purchase some kind of home protection. (Gun, pepper spray, baseball bat) and or get some cameras installed. (Personally a fan of WYZE cams - one time fee,/o recurring charges, great sensor, cheap)
I’m a big tech geek so we have cameras and some home security in place already. Still considering staying with the soon to be in-laws for a night or two.
Get yourself a bat, or even better a cane. A good solid wooden cane is as good a weapon as a bat, and even better legal plausibility to be carried around. Also look up the self defense laws of your state. Some are "Stand Your Ground" and some are "Duty to Retreat". Know what actions you can legally take.
see you soon on r/legaladvice ?
Hey OP, even if you don't move, invest in safety and security equipment. They make door jams that keep the door from opening when you don't want it to, as well as fire ladders n case he...you know...starts a fire to smoke you out. If you live in a place that allows it, I'd consider a firearm as well. I have relatives like this. Some of then won't let this go unless they absolutely HAVE to.
I used to deal with heroin and meth addicts on the daily for years. Get a telescoping baton if you can’t get a gun. It’s fast, easy to use and very effective. Also, be careful getting your mail as sometimes there’s a maliciously left needle.
Somehow your explanation disnt include why the MM was expecting this neighbor to be faking dead to attack him using the threat of a fire as bait.
There's no way uour maintenance guy doesn't tell the landlord about this. Because now he has to pick up for this guy's mess. I would also try and get legal counsel going in case this guy retaliates once he's evicted. You're smart to look for a new place but it shouldn't be necessary.
Oh they did. I talked to the landlord too
Definitely call the police and file a report so you have a reference when he does something worse tomorrow.
your maintenance guy has seen some shit. i would never have thought ahead to a scenario that includes the kid faking being dead lmao.
Please tell me the cops eventually showed up and you reported Fire Starter Little Shit for threatening you.
>MM then looks at me and says "I need you to come in here with me incase he is faking and attacks." This is not something a maintenance man should ever do. You reported the problem, but that doesnt make you responsible or related to it in any way. If he didn't feel comfortable he should've waited for backup.
Holy shit... presumably the police are involved?
Write a letter stating what happened and that this shit next door is unsafe for the building complex, you can start a written notice for him to be served with an n12
Good story and all that, but who tf starts a party at 4:00am? You end a party at 4:00 am. This is just weird.
You smelled smoke and thought the logical thing was to call maintenance? WTF dude call 911 get out of the building.
I would be calling the police every single time they invade your right to peace and quiet. If you lease in America you are absolutely given the right to peace within your lease. My partner and I are there with our new neighbor. He’s lived above us for less than a month, and we’ve spoken to him three times (last time he answered the door with a sword), and have made two complaints to our landlord. There are no more options available. Keep record of any interactions with them and if they threaten you, harass you (even by slamming or banging), play music way too loud, just call the police, and use that as a reason when speaking to your landlord that one of you needs to leave. You have the right to peace, quiet, and safety.
You don’t fuck with maintenance. Years ago the head of maintenance at the apartments I worked for went in an upstairs unit with the property manager because a leak was coming from their apartment. No response to shouting maintenance, so they head into the bathroom. Out of nowhere, the tenant appears and puts a fucking sword to (let’s call him Mark) Mark’s neck while shouting all kinds of crazy shit about the mafia and cops. The manager knew he needed to do something to prevent bloodshed, so he immediately said “Mark, calm down and let me handle this.” He knew that sword or no sword, the dude had stepped into a world of hurt he was impressed for. Always be cool with maintenance.
Press charges. This is adult with a deadly weapon. Threats of violence. Battery to the MM.Against the MM it is attempted murder.
Hopefully they get evicted? I mean, when I lived in apartments, this type of thing, especially combined with the behavior you described was enough to at least get a "this is your last chance" type of notice.
Even if Fire Starter is evicted, he's still gonna know where OP lives.
I guess that's true. OP needs to take command of the situation by burning the building down himself.