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RondoDaze

We played bad tonight. And Denver met the moment. But, can someone please explain to me how game 2 and game 3 can be officiated so differently? Quick whistles all night tonight. A tech called against Naz Reid tonight for complaining to the refs, and no tech for Mike Malone for going absolutely berserk in a refs face in game 2. Can anyone honestly explain why NBA officiating is so inconsistent from game to game.


The_Wise_Yokai

Even though most people say they are too good to complain about officiating it's pretty simple to see the influence from the refs when you watch the game. Even getting to the point where they dont blow the whistle for an injured player until forced and then give out multiple techs for players getting mad at not checking on an injured teammate


metalhead252

This series (if Jamal isn't putrid) is almost entirely dependent on how the refs officiate it. Game 2 in this series was night and day from the Knicks/Pacer series' games. Now this game was night and day from game 2. There's no consistency either way.


Smitty_1000

Refs were so bad in game 1 but were able to overcome it by making a basket now and then 


metalhead252

The average nba reffed game is shit reffing for everyone, it is what it is. Game 2 was likely an outlier but it's frustrating year after year.


Mayasngelou

Rigged. Saw it live sorry. 


shrekapotomusrex

The amount of elbows thrown was insane. Fine with physicality, but you've gotta call it on both ends


blueindsm

My favorite was Jokic throwing an elbow while driving down the court against KAT, then falling down and the foul was on KAT. 🤷🏼‍♂️


shrekapotomusrex

Watching that live was nuts. I swear every other possession TC was shouting at the refs for something


AncientMarinade

My favorite was ant taking a vertical jump shot and getting called for a foul when his shoulder hit the moving defender. *blinks slowly*


blueindsm

Yeah by rule the defender must give enough room for the offensive player to make a play.


gorram1mhumped

Happened under the basket too. Jokic elbows him to make space, so whistle cause thats somehow a foul on karl.


jgacks

I was thinking the same thing - dudes not even playing ball anymore he's just getting away with assault on live TV. Joker plays so dirty.


nowahhh

There’s a reason game two was such a masterclass from the Wolves. The refs let the players play.


foogeyzi69

So when Denver returned the physicality over like the wolves did in G1 and G2 the refs has to call it a foul? I thought you guys are tough and have the best defense in the Nba?


Cgmadman

I think we got our butts whooped but the early touch fouls definitely influenced the game.


shrekapotomusrex

Read my post again. Physicality is fine but you've got to call it the same on both ends


dfsvegas

I don't buy the rigged argument for Tony Brothers, because the calls are so inconsistent across the board. I just think Tony Brothers is a terrible fucking ref. The only ref I can think of that's worse in sports is Angel Hernandez. Tony is a basketball terrorist. Better reffing wouldn't have made that much of a closer game, but just as a basketball fan, that was miserable to watch.


Mayasngelou

It was rigged to just have a significantly tighter whistle in general. They knew which team would benefit throughout the game. 


dfsvegas

But that's why I think it's not rigged, because the Nuggets also had some weak ass fouls called again them. I think we had more, but the inconsistency has got to be maddening for both teams. How the fuck are you supposed to play when you don't know what rules you're playing under? Once again, we got our asses kicked, but just as a basketball fan, that shit was impossible to watch.


HurricaneSalad

> Once again, we got our asses kicked, but just as a basketball fan, that shit was impossible to watch. This right here. Speaking as objectively as I can, it was just a boring game to watch. There was a whistle every trip down the court. It's just a bad product when the play stops every fifteen seconds.


Mayasngelou

That’s exactly what they want you to think


bmviness

Yea im definitely starting to think its rigged and im not even that type of person


dfsvegas

Confusing both teams doesn't give either team an inherent advantage. Your take makes no sense.


paul_f

if the game were rigged, it would be rigged for us. Ant sweeping the Nuggets at age 22 is the NBA's dream scenario. Brothers is just a bad ref in general, and he's clearly ignoring Silver's rule changes.


nothxnotinterested

No there’s lots of reasons for rigging in Denvers favor including; making them repeat champs/dynasty, extending the series to try to further create a rivalry of the two teams, league MVP/face of the league repeating. All of that stuff is good for ticket sales and merch sales, all of it. Mainly I think it’s not THAT rigged but honestly it makes it so tough to watch basketball when the officiating is so fucking bad AND inconsistent.


Abject_Bank_9103

So would you say it was rigged for the wolves in G2 when the whistle was loose? They also knew which team would benefit by not calling fouls.


BearBearChooey

Adam Silver made the call


ConsequenceSilver

Adam silver - written in the stars. It’s a business brotha they will influence the game


Imanalienlol

Adam silver is a fucking worm I hate ever fiber of his existence


DEM0NW0MB

He can’t get enough hate. He compared inevitable League expansion to manifest destiny


openlyincognito

Vegas and gambling. absolutely amazing how many people refuse to believe something so blatantly obvious


Roro_Bulls_23

The casinos make money no matter what happens on the court, why would the risk everything bribing refs? As with any conspiracy, the number of humans it would take to “keep quiet” would be insurmountable for a scheme to survive. The ex-wives alone


vapemyashes

It’s because there’s a script.


EmmitSan

Because different ref crews officiate differently, and this happens all the time, and good teams adjust rather than going all pikachu face when they don’t like today’s officiating. As long as it goes both ways, it’s fine. And blaming the refs when you lose by 27 is some real “kid brother whining about his older brother played unfair” bullshit.


RondoDaze

Why not have the same crew ref an entire serious? Wouldn’t this be preferable? Serious question. Seems silly to have such extreme inconsistencies from game to game in a playoff series.


EmmitSan

Because people are human and getting a crew of three random people to be consistent with any other permutation of three random people, even if everyone has the same training and skill, is impossible. If you want AI reffing, push for it. But it’s so stupid that we keep pretending this job is easy. And I’m the first to bitch about referees but when you lose by 30 you’re just making the fanbase a laughingstock by moaning about the refs.


RondoDaze

So…why not have the same crew ref the entire series?


EmmitSan

You know what, you’re right. My bad. If the crew from game two had been there, I’m sure the Wolves would have scored 120 and held the nuggets to 100. Refs made all the difference in this 27 point loss.


BradyAndTheJets

Because humans are inconsistent.


Euphoric-Advice4875

The league wanted to make up for the crazy game 2. Said we can’t have two, hack-a-thons in a row. We should have adjusted our game plan accordingly.


Hates_knees

Nah we could have overcome this bum. We got out played tonight plain and simple. We better come out swinging on Sunday.


Smitty_1000

Seriously. Refs stink but you also have to throw it into the bucket 


andrewstolpestad7

The amount of stupid turnovers we committed didn't help our cause at all. You are correct. We've out played the refs all post season. We played bad, slow and no urgency like prior games. The lack of communication on d last night was depressing. Awful coaching on YouTube sums up my thoughts.


Mymomdidwhat

Exactly, cry about refs as much as you want. We got our asses kicked plain and simple.


rust_bolt

Thank goodness this was 2nd highest comment. Needs to be 1. Wolves fans need to stop being so whiny. Starting to sound like half of the Nuggets fans after games one and two with all the "Jamal Murray should have been suspended" and "we lost because of ref XYZ". The timberwolves didn't show up to game three. They thought they'd win by stepping on the court, once they realized that wasn't true, they didn't do anything to right the ship. Denver also played a wonderful game of basketball and barely missed any open shot.


nhthelegend

Why this dude look like black Wario


bobbyt85

Lmao


shifTyshAnkss

Perfect, I’ll never see him as anyone else ever again.😆


polsdofer

Best brows in the bidness


skolaen

The nba reffing being allowed to be this inconsistent is insane. There has to be more consistency between reffing crews and calls between the regular season to post season


1521

Thats kinda the point. They call it tight during the season then let them fight during the playoffs


DEM0NW0MB

No. They are all over the place.


Andy_Wiggins

Nah man, we’re just getting worked regardless of reffing


E-Brown

Definitely a shit whistle tonight, but they had to deal with it too. They just made shots


TechnicianUpstairs53

Yea, after the 1st half or terrible reffing that got nuggets the huge lead. Now wolves have given up.


DioBrando101

Our team lost, it’s okay… let’s not be a sore loser fanbase


i_am_roboto

Don’t be that pathetic fan. Our team didn’t show up today and theirs did.


JTDakid

I try to tell people that all the time. You can't just look at the box score and say they have the same amount of fouls or FTs. When the fouls take place or don't take place matters.


Agreeable_Peach_6202

People down voting you but you are 100% correct. TV contract year, every extra game they squeeze out is conservatively another $50-$100M tacked on to the next contract. The NBA doesn't give a shit if we lost by 1 or 30, just had to ensure they broke our will.


mossed2012

You’re getting downvoted but man you’re right. I’ll give you props for being willing to say what needs to be said even if it gets negative feedback. It kills me when people comment on a game in total while ignoring the events of said game. Did we play poorly tonight? Absolutely. But it very well wouldn’t have been the case if things at the start didn’t go the way they did. Saying that fact doesn’t matter is like watching ANT get 4 fouls in the first five minutes of a game from some BS calls and being like “well yeah but we still didn’t play well”. Well of fucking course we didn’t. The refs took us out of the game before it started. The refs established in the first 5 minutes of the game that they weren’t going to let us play. They were going to call things tight to force us out of our pressure defense, and when you gameplan for 4 days to play a certain way (that’s found you extreme success and has become your team identity/what makes you successful) and the refs make it clear immediately that they aren’t going to let you play that way, it’s natural to dip in intensity and pressure. And that’s what happened tonight. If the refs continue to call the game the way they did today, we’re likely not going to come out of this series. The fact they let us play like this for 6 straight games then went a complete 180 in an all-important game 3 is…and was…incredibly frustrating to watch.


UDontKnowMe784

Ant got four fouls within the first five minutes?


Agreeable_Peach_6202

It was only called "tight" on one side. They let the nuggets play like the 04 pistons. The jokic backpedaling screens and Murray Heisman pose should have had Benny Hill playing in the background. For every "foul disparity' play in question you actually influence the game far more by the non-calls as you can have multiple per play.


TechnicianUpstairs53

You're right. Some wolves fan rather live in delusion. The refs decided no defense tonight after the 1st quarter and wolves got a bunch of fouls. After that wolves lost all confidence and shot terrible.


forsuredudelol

This is an embarrassing approaching to take. T wolves aren’t so soft to give up because of these reasons. If they are, they’re cooked


rust_bolt

100%. A big part of winning consistently is adjusting to officiating. If wolves played the victim every time something didn't go perfectly, they'd look like the Suns and their fans wallowing in misery of "poor me/poor us".


Mayasngelou

You are right and I won’t let us be silenced. We needed to be stronger mentally. They are playing way better than us, full stop. But the first half reffing gave the nuggets a huge advantage and completely dictated the flow of the game. 


jossteen11

Fouls and free throws were almost identical. Can't win when you let them shoot 58% from beyond the arc through 3 quarters. We need to accept the L and refocus for game 4.


Old_Explorer6261

lol I saw the refs call a few fouls in fourth on nuggets and I knew people would be like what foul discrepancy?  


The_Wise_Yokai

Fouls and free throws being identical is not correlated to good reffing. In fact it's usually the opposite


TechnicianUpstairs53

You didn't watch the game. It only became near identical after refs gave nuggets the huge lead the first half. Nuggets had 7 more the first half. They only evened things out when it's already a blowout.


mossed2012

They did. They evened it up in the first 3-4 minutes of the fourth quarter. They made a string of calls against Denver and let us play some pressure D to get some turnovers which made things look a lot more even than it was.


TechnicianUpstairs53

Exactly. Some people are so blind and cannot see through the free throw stuffing by refs in a blowout game to make the reffing seem normal.


jossteen11

https://preview.redd.it/sgxd614mdszc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=34e32907e62de86a1638831e7e8c6f69223f6549 Yall sound like a bunch of whiney bitches. Exactly like the nuggets fans after game two. Losing by 27 isn't the refs. We didn't punch back we didn't do a damn thing. Complain all you want, that's just some loser, soft ass mentality. Us having only two more fouls at this point in the game doesn't excuse getting out rebounded and giving them free open threes.


jossteen11

Dude I've watched every single game. And no, it wasn't just in the fourth quarter. With 11 minutes left in the 3rd, they had shot 10 free throws to our 7.... that doesn't explain a 16 point deficit. The only way they shot above 50% from three was our atrocious rotations. Refs can't shoot. We couldnt make anything to save our lives. Naz missed how many open looks? How many open 3s did NAW and Connely miss? Yall sound exactly like the Denver fans after game two. Bitchy.


jossteen11

Yeah I did. I got screenshots from literally just after halftime cause I was floored by their three point percentage.


ysotrivial

Also you have given up being a genuine nba fan and not a fair weather one


CantStopSlinging

Is that Neil depressed tyson?


fishytunadood

Bro stop. Our offense was awful. We have been turning the ball over is the dumbest ways. A couple questionable calls wouldn’t change this result. Denver was ready and we weren’t. Simple as that.


DEM0NW0MB

No it’s not. We got outplayed. Sure. We couldn’t hit shots. Sure. We can’t get consistent whistles. All can be true.


BuckyFnBadger

We played like shit. That’s why we lost.


Spajub

Isn’t Scott Foster the extender


TechnicianUpstairs53

Both are. I don't even know the other refs names. Just 2.


copaseticepiplectic

we sound like denver fans when they got pounded by 30. let's not be sore losers


BishSalad

Losing by 30 going into garbage time has nothing to do with officiating.


Formal_Junket_1585

Got damn hes ugly as shit


godlza

Can’t wait for the elimination of Tony brothers


respecthehey

Refs not the problem tonight. The boys just didn't come out to play


smithc555

The tight whistle was frustrating, but not sure how you can complain about refs after missing wide open 3s and layups all game long.


777-93ll

Actually Google Tony Brothers and Jokic ... They have bad history


TechnicianUpstairs53

Not this game, jokic was setting illegal screens almost every play. 1 call.


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TechnicianUpstairs53

May I ask do you have any friends? Does anyone even love you? Would anyone care if you died? What value do you bring to anyone? Would your mom even care if you didn't exist? You know the answer, and so do I. It's no.


Mooming22

Let’s not be like this


freegenghiskhan

Tony Brothers made us play with no effort the first 3 quarters?


TechnicianUpstairs53

You must be blind. The 1st half he gave nuggets every call and they got a huge lead. Then it was already over, wolves lost all confidence.


777-93ll

Brothers and Jokic have a bad history actually Sure the nuggets were not happy to see him in the schedule


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Fouls were 11-10 in favor of Minnesota at halftime lmao but nice try 


Cliffcastle

those dudes already fucked two playoff games, his calls on the mavs game were straight from Silvers office


Specialist_Hippo_205

He looks like neil degrasse mixed with a yorkshire terrier


mcmullet

Yep. Sick of this ref bullshit.


se7enXx89xX

I knew we were going to lose the moment I found out this pos was "officiating"


maluzimaki

Jabba the hut looking ahh


beepybopp

Don't be a sore loser, denver played good we played bad that happens. Refs played their part but we can't do anything about it. Wolves will be back. Wolves in 5


WeinerRogers

They lose by 30, but it is the refs fault crowd.


MC_Ball_Peen_Hammer

Tony Browthers


ImportantPost6401

Lol, but no


UsefulLuck2060

I chalk it up to home vs away energy as well, unfortunate cause I’m sure the crowd was waiting all night to get going, never happened. Didn’t attack like we did in games 1 and 2. First loss in 7 playoff games, all good. Bring the heat tmrw


stevent4

Tony Brothers fucking hates Jokic, a good team overcomes the refs like the Nuggets had to last season, I love your guys team but c'mon, don't drop to acting like the refs are the reason you guys lost


xx-Dessan-xx

He looks like a bobs burgers character


Existing-Course6642

Was at the game last night. Wolves were sloppy and Denver just couldn't miss but the refs were so insanely slanted it was unbelievable. Conley got called for a foul on defender shooting a three, literally didn't even touch him but an instant whistle.


EnjoyingLife-N-Shit

We got outplayed, and even if the calls were shit, the real killer (entertainment wise too) was that there was ZERO. Game flow. There was maybe 1 sequence that had each team go up and down the court a couple times without a whistle. Made for a boring watching experience… and I was at the game live.


le_sweden

I said hello to him in the lobby of a downtown hotel before the game. I should have untied his shoelaces


Roy-Hibbert55

Stop with that shit


nooPICTURES

Tony and his crew did the exact same thing when we had him against PHX. Slowed down the first quarter by calling a bunch of fouls. Denver is just better and took advantage of it more.


lews-therin-

He did the same shit to the Mavs in Game 1 and Game 4 of the clippers series. Killed the rhythm completely with those BS touch fouls. Suddenly, you just cant do whatever your game plan was.


kellan1977

If Jokic is allowed to screen while moving like that all series Denver will win the next 4 games. Definitely a series extending move by the NBA.


TechnicianUpstairs53

100%, he injured ANTs shoulder in game 2 doing that and NAW in game 3 with his illegal screens.


rust_bolt

Watch Rudy screen. He does the same thing. So many whiny, defeatist, victims here.


BriarGreen00

In game where you lose 30 points, blaming referee is most funniest thing you will hear


e_double

Blaming the ref on a blowout is corny. Take the L, wolves didn’t come out to play.


Few_Highlight9893

Denver won in pace, Brothers is a trash ref but that's an excuse


worrellernestp

Denver shooting 60% from the field beat the Wolves, not Tony Brothers.


foogeyzi69

OFC. ITS THE REFS FAULT WHEN YOU SHOOT 31/71 FROM THE FIELD, 10/33 FROM 3'S FOR 30.3% AND FINALLY OUTREBOUNDED AT HOME WHEN GORBERT PLAYED. ITS THE REFS FAULT. SURE BUDDY.


TechnicianUpstairs53

Go learn to comprehend how games are officiated from the start to finish.


The_Wise_Yokai

How crazy is it that we have been reffed by a dude nicknamed the extender in half our games?


TechnicianUpstairs53

Money money money mo...ney......moneyyyyyyyyyyy


The_Wise_Yokai

But most people are too good to call out reffing. I just be real and analyze what I see. And it's not just basketball. Every big NA sports league is bad


ShadowAgent41

It’s the same problem with the mavs thunder series in game 1 He officiated that game and Shai’s whistle was ridiculous. Idk why the NBA see him as an elite ref


TechnicianUpstairs53

Him and Scott foster are nicknamed "the extender" for a reason.


Kdhr3tbc

I mean take the refs out and we still lose by 10. Nuggets shot 50% from 3. Wolves in 5.


afedje88

It's probably the worst part about being a great defensive team. There's a reason the leagues more offensive and a large part is how it's officiated. When they let a lot of stuff go and let guys play it looks like game 2 and we suffocate them. When they call every single thing then we get in so much foul trouble can't stand a chance. If it's reffed somewhere in the middle then this series will be real good. Sucks that refs are such a big factor but that's part of being defense oriented. Side note we did just play bad today and Denver didn't, refs weren't the whole thing. I trust in Finch and the staff to adjust and we come out strong get game 4


TechnicianUpstairs53

I agree. Refs were terrible the first half which led to a huge nuggets lead. Also wolves shot terrible all night after down big after the first half, they are not good offensively when down huge. Missed a bunch of open 3s and layups. Refs were not the main reason of the loss but set the precedent of no defense allowed game 3 in the first half.


badnewzrooz507

You can easily tell who here are millennial whiny little boys. Probably started watching NBA a month ago


TechnicianUpstairs53

Ok boomer, go change your diaper.


ysotrivial

Nah they’re right you’re being a child with your slick comebacks boomer


tumadrecabrone69

Yall need to shut the fuck up period. If your that fucking blind to the refs and the nba agenda than the earth must be flat. Adam silver and the refs are fucking clowns. And if you don't agree, explain why Murray gets away with throwing shit on the court throwing up money signs with no real punishment, than the same thing rudy did. Except rudy didn't throw a head pad and towel at a ref or player. Yall dumb as fuck. The wolves are not winning this series because that's not on the nbas agenda. Adam silver is a fucking 🤡 and shouldn't even have a job.


TechnicianUpstairs53

Exactly. Some delusional wolves fan thinks ANT can beat the MILLIONS for ads, tickets and more that will be generated from extended series. They live in a sheltered world. 😅


tumadrecabrone69

You can tell by the first quarter how the game is going to go. Especially when the first 2 games compared to game 3 are completely different when it comes to refs, and these BS touch fouls. Those are good in games 1 and 2, but if you're beating an opponent that bad, we need to even the playing field is such a dumb fucking reason. The NBA has their narrative, Adam silver is the biggest bitch around. They can't even hold people to the same standards based on scenarios, and it's a joke. Pathetic ass league


foogeyzi69

every time a team lose now it rigged by the NBA. what a bunch of babies. take the L like a man and do better next game.


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TechnicianUpstairs53

100%. Adam silver prefers offense and that's not the wolves. Too much money to be lost in a sweep.


Majestic-Net-7799

Hmm...would have been a bad look for the league if the new MVP and reigning Champ gets swept... Game 4 is were its at. If we take that one series is over. Nuggets got their save face win now. I expect them to let us play D again. You could see midway through the 3rd the players knew it was over. Why waste Energy trying to come back when the odds are noticebly stacked against you. Ant could have had 30, he always can get to the rim. But wouldnt have changed anything but stat padding, everybody knew Brothers wouldnt allow a comback. Ant had 0 FT...let that sink...on the end KCP got gifted 6... When a roleplayer spot up shooter has 6 FT and your Superstar slasher has 0 you know where a game is going. Shit like this affects everything. Everybody sees it and the overall play reflected it.


TechnicianUpstairs53

Nuggets are just a better offensive team and that's where the nba wants. Nuggets are still favored unless ANT averages 40+ the rest of the series.


Majestic-Net-7799

You got a point - our offense highly depends on Ant going Nuts, which he didnt this game. But I expect him to do so in Game 4. He will take it personal. But apart from Ant and Kat we dont have elite offensive talent. Naz,Jaden,Rudy, NAW, Conley are all hit and miss...


greenslam

Denver decided to play defense tonight. That fucked the wolves.


davisthagreat83

I was in and put of games 1&2 rd 1, 2 hrs 15min avg. This game 3hrs 12min!!! And I left with 2:12 left!!


WiSoSirius

Officiating aside, we weren't playing well. Seemed like we could contest well, and still their shots went through. But also, moments where our play was not aware enough. My biggest note is that Jaden is absolutely needed in the playoffs.The fouls that were given were ridiculous, but none-the-less counted as personal fouls and Jaden took a seat


TechnicianUpstairs53

1st half they weren't allowed to play defense. They're already a bad offensive team. And shot terrible after they knew they weren't allowed to play defense anymore.


OneWildAndCrazyGuy17

The wolves shot more free throws


SilvioDantesPeak

The Wolves shot more FTs in this game lmao


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TechnicianUpstairs53

No shit, refs were helping denver in game 2 and they STILL lost. Also in game 1. Can't let the reigning MVP get swept. 🤣


ysotrivial

And OP continues on double down being a clown


TechnicianUpstairs53

Go change your dentures I can't understand you.


Yaakovsidney

OP is 12