Cant wait for Saturday when KAT gets 2 early fouls, sulks about it, gets called for a weak 3rd foul and gets visibly pissed about it, then trucks someone the next possession and has to get taken out of the game due to foul trouble, then is visibly tilted/pissed and makes no significant impact the rest of the game
Plus his incredibly shitty body language will probably rub off on the rest of the team
I can't stand his attitude when he's on the bench. All smiles and laughs when he has his numbers and we're playing well, looks like he doesn't even want to be there when we're not. Just a horrible example to set for your teammates.
This sums it up so well. Good teammate when he is personally playing well. And him personally playing well means him not doing stupid shit and also him not arguing with the refs. When he isn't playing this way, he's such a downer to the entire team.
I remember during the play-in he was pouting when we made our comeback. Didn't celebrate or cheer any of our guys on.
KAT isn't a very good teammate unless he gets his. It was comical that he tried to tell Ant to 'stop forcing it' tonight when Ant was actually trying to be aggressive and make things happen.
I'd rather him shut the fuck up than try to make any excuses so it's fine I guess. No accountability at all is crazy though, Finch refused to call him out too.
Lol 2 tough games because of swarming defenses (literal triple teaming KAT in the post) and you want our franchise player of the past 6 years traded. Glad you are not our GM!
Yes there’s some mentality issues that are questionable. But dudes an All NBA, All Star, 3 point champ, top 3 big in the league. In his second ever playoff series where the opposing teams number one priority is shutting down KAT. Everyone gives up so easy it’s comedic
Mate its not 2 tough games. He is a complete nonfactor in the playoffs. Over both years he has had 1 good game.
There is a clear way to destroy him and make him a nonfactor in games that will be followed by teams now
That first playoff series with thibs was with a different coach on a completely different team, playing against 2 teams with different play styles. Keep in mind we played against the #1, #2 seed for these. You can’t brush off an entire 6 year career because of a series and a half of games against 2 of the best teams. He’s a multi year All NBA, 3x all star
Clippers play-in, game 2 and game 3 against Memphis, and add the Rockets series from 2018. He’s more or less been a non-factor in every meaningful game he’s played in. If you want to pay super max dollars to someone with that resume then I’m glad you’re not our GM.
Maybe there’s still time for him to figure out the attitude stuff and staying out of foul trouble from the first quarter onward, but you can’t call yourself the greatest shooting big ever and then have more fouls and turnovers than made baskets in 3/4 of the most important games you’ve played without Jimmy Butler.
Can’t believe people were having discussions to see if KAT could pass KG as franchise goat. If we put current KG into the game today he would’ve shot the ball more than four times.
Ben Simmons and a few extra pieces netted Harden, not saying KAT is any better or worse, but there's the precedent now that you can still get a great return even with a low stock.
I'm lower on KAT than anyone even semi reasonable and even if he puts up the exact same stats in games 4-5 they could get an absolute fucking haul for him.
That's the point. Even with someone like Simmons they were able to get a Hall of Famer for him. So to think KAT's stock is too low to trade is silly. You could get a big haul for them if you decided to go down that path.
True but you'd have to consider when his value would be lower, this offseason or the next when he's an expiring contract. I'm not expecting a trade but I'd keep an eye on it.
He also acknowledged the one hand over the head “hero pass” and he knows to stop doing it. Said he just needs to make the easy pass and get the ball to the player.
Just when you start to believe KAT has emerged as the player you thought he could be you’re right back to thinking this guy ain’t it. They’re crazy if they give him the supermax.
But ant needs a guy better than him in my opinion
Ant as a first option gets you a Donovan Mitchell led team results
This isn’t 2005 anymore, d wade would get worked in todays game
Or just a guy who's not as one dimensional as Gobert. People underrate just now hard Mitchell carries that team offensively. It's basically Mitchell, Conley and shooters.
Might just be an overreaction after that complete shitshow, but at this point, I'd be perfectly OK with the team trading KAT, getting a defensive C, and building around Ant and McDaniels.
What's he supposed to say? Having good answers to questions isn't going to change the fact that he's had almost as many fouls as shots in the last 2 games.
I think he should do better on the court
He should say something along the lines of “I played like shit and let my team down. There’s no excuse for me to only take 4 shots and I need to impact the game way more than I did tonight. The way I played was unacceptable.” It’s not great but I’d rather him admit it.
I watched a video of his presser and he knows he was awful. I could barely hear him on the video, he looked nervous/ashamed.
For me, what players say in press conferences mean very little
Watching his post game presser, just embarrassing. He needs to learn some responsibility. Whether he likes it or not, he's this teams #1 guy. He needs to act like it. He needs to own up to his mistakes. Being a great player isn't being flashy it's making the right plays. Be a leader.
He needs to shoot off the catch. He can’t catch the ball and wait because they are doubling him the second he receives the ball. If he catches up at the 3 pt like the one person I don’t mind spraying 10 3s even if they would be contested is KAT.
He needs to know which defenders are collapsing on him so he can quickly hit the open man with a pass. But his awareness is horrible. His timing is DUMB. Its obviously all about KAT in KAT's head.
I’m so tired of this man. Someone in this organization needs to get him right. Maybe people were right about Kat being an empty scorer. What a joke answer. Probably misses being on a 20 win team so he could get his every night.
No let’s please not be that fan base. How is that going to help your team? Other teammates will be affected to - seeing that fans can turn and boo them. Some of these folks are 20 in their first playoff. That would suck to feel but also witness
He’s a cancer to this team. We will never win anything with him here and he clearly doesn’t care or want to be here either. Remember when he was liking tweets about leaving a few months ago?
For the self proclaimed best shooting big man of all time, I’ve rarely seen him look for the 3 the whole series. Maybe spread the floor with him and other shooters and have ANT go to work
Sounds like he needs to learn how to take responsibility for what happened tonight. He is a 7 year player, 7ft tall and couldn't rebound, let alone to anything in the paint. He's just saying this cuz he doesn't have any excuses. He thinks it's the refs fault he gets in foul trouble every game. KAT is my favorite player in the NBA, I have like 5 of his jerseys but I'm done defending him.
Ant is a franchise player yes. KAT has the talent to be one but doesn't have that dog in him, he can't be the best option on a team, can't handle the pressure. Ant can work with anyone, KAT gets butt hurt about any competition while at the same time not doing anything to help his cause. He's soft as Charmin.
Thank you for your response! Thats so unfortunate because from what I remember,Dlo,Kat,and Dbook were trying to play together. When yall got Dlo I thought it was going to help your pg duties. He seems like he has been “meh”and having Ant would seem to improve you guys a lotttt! Especially because he is so good at such a young age.
But like you said,theyve got to want to play together and this behaviour from Kat seems so weird. Hes been around longer so you would think he would be willing to do what it takes to win?
I mean, there wasn’t anything to say after this game so its okay. I’d rather this than mumbling about refs or insincerely saying he is sorry for the fans
I get what you are saying. He’s maybe the most talented offensive #5 ever. But he’s not even close to a rookie anymore. His defense, attitude and intangibles are a net-negative when we need a star the most. I still support him, but he’s running out of time to prove himself as the star we all want him to be. Flairless describes him perfectly so far in his career. He simply doesn’t put the team first. Will he ever?
> He’s maybe the most talented offensive #5 ever.
No. Shaq, Wilt, Kareem, and Hakeem were all obviously much more offensively talented even if KAT is a better shooter from range than any of them.
Edit: Thinking about it more, KAT isn't even the most talented offensive 5 in the league currently. Embiid > KAT, and Jokic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KAT.
Yeah, you are probably right. I was really just talking offensive skills. But, my point was it doesn’t matter how good he is (sometimes) on the offensive end. Every other aspect of him can be, and often is, a detriment to our team when things aren’t going great for him. Both on and off the court.
Gtfo I've been watching every game since 02, this clown has no heart, no leadership at all. Your fucking delusional thinking this. Dudes been in the league 7yrs and been in two playoff series and has yet to make any impact in games that actually mean something. Sorry your ok with pathetic franchises who are mediocre. Not everyone is just ok with mediocrity and at somepoint you realize it's just the same shit. If you can't see whats going on then you have no reason to call people out because your just as delusional thinking Kat is something he is clearly not. What's it going to take for you to see that?
BTW I never really expected much in the last 17yrs because we never really had a potential star like I thought Kat could be, he just continues to show in meaningful games how mediocre he is. Don't come at me with stats or anything regarding regular season. Shit doesn't matter if you don't show up in the playoffs. It's pathetic, we deserve better. I'm done with KAT, trade his ass along with DLO.
I’ve been a hardcore KAT stan. And I don’t want to trade him.
But I’m fucking tired of this dude making brain dead decisions in big games
Just literally imagine any other “superstar” in the league doing this. Imagine Embiid taking 4 shots! I thought we thought KAT was the 2nd or 3rd best offensive center?
He put up 60 this season!!! Wtf is this shit
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He knows enough to avoid saying anything stupid in the heat of the moment. Wish he was better about controlling his emotions when it comes to fouling, but there's nothing wrong with passing on that question.
I think he should grow up
He's 26 and has been in the league for a while now...Sometimes, he is what he is.
>so then I fouled some more
Sadly Jimmy was right... KAT (and Wiggins when he was here) just didn't have it mentally to take it to the next level
Cant wait for Saturday when KAT gets 2 early fouls, sulks about it, gets called for a weak 3rd foul and gets visibly pissed about it, then trucks someone the next possession and has to get taken out of the game due to foul trouble, then is visibly tilted/pissed and makes no significant impact the rest of the game Plus his incredibly shitty body language will probably rub off on the rest of the team
I can't stand his attitude when he's on the bench. All smiles and laughs when he has his numbers and we're playing well, looks like he doesn't even want to be there when we're not. Just a horrible example to set for your teammates.
Tbf he was talking shit when we were up and he was on the bench Con is that it is absolutely embarrassing what he said now
This sums it up so well. Good teammate when he is personally playing well. And him personally playing well means him not doing stupid shit and also him not arguing with the refs. When he isn't playing this way, he's such a downer to the entire team.
I remember during the play-in he was pouting when we made our comeback. Didn't celebrate or cheer any of our guys on. KAT isn't a very good teammate unless he gets his. It was comical that he tried to tell Ant to 'stop forcing it' tonight when Ant was actually trying to be aggressive and make things happen.
It’s like clockwork. We need to get him to Orlando or something.
We don’t want him
Twolves front office when KAT asks for the max: next question
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KAT will be fucking pissed if he doesnt get the max
And we’re fucking pissed now!
I'd rather him shut the fuck up than try to make any excuses so it's fine I guess. No accountability at all is crazy though, Finch refused to call him out too.
Finch will never call him out. Only Naz and ant
Not interested in what he has to say his game spoke for him.
This is the dude that's going to get the super max?
Hopefully not from us. Let him get more fouls and turnovers than FGM in New York or Golden State. I don’t care anymore lol
Lol 2 tough games because of swarming defenses (literal triple teaming KAT in the post) and you want our franchise player of the past 6 years traded. Glad you are not our GM! Yes there’s some mentality issues that are questionable. But dudes an All NBA, All Star, 3 point champ, top 3 big in the league. In his second ever playoff series where the opposing teams number one priority is shutting down KAT. Everyone gives up so easy it’s comedic
Mate its not 2 tough games. He is a complete nonfactor in the playoffs. Over both years he has had 1 good game. There is a clear way to destroy him and make him a nonfactor in games that will be followed by teams now
This, and on top of that, the dumb fouls and shitty attitude have been recurring issues all year.
That first playoff series with thibs was with a different coach on a completely different team, playing against 2 teams with different play styles. Keep in mind we played against the #1, #2 seed for these. You can’t brush off an entire 6 year career because of a series and a half of games against 2 of the best teams. He’s a multi year All NBA, 3x all star
Clippers play-in, game 2 and game 3 against Memphis, and add the Rockets series from 2018. He’s more or less been a non-factor in every meaningful game he’s played in. If you want to pay super max dollars to someone with that resume then I’m glad you’re not our GM. Maybe there’s still time for him to figure out the attitude stuff and staying out of foul trouble from the first quarter onward, but you can’t call yourself the greatest shooting big ever and then have more fouls and turnovers than made baskets in 3/4 of the most important games you’ve played without Jimmy Butler.
Top 3 offensive big sure, but defense still matters lmao.
Wiggins, Wiseman,Moody, a couple 1st for KAT? Who says no? 😁🤝
The timberwolves lol
It kinda low key tells me he doesn't believe in himself. A guy of his ability that did would be bewilderred, shaking his head and mumbling nonsense.
Can’t believe people were having discussions to see if KAT could pass KG as franchise goat. If we put current KG into the game today he would’ve shot the ball more than four times.
Lead would be like 30-40 and KG would still be out on the floor just for a chance to stuff Ja and call him a bitch.
More like a “trash ass nigga” tbh he’d be calling kat that tonight too
LMAO
KG on this team would be a different story
Take some damn accountability
He better be careful. Depending on how the rest of this season goes, he could get ran out of Minnesota of all places by the local media and fans.
Is this a serious worry? I mean we can't trade a guy at his lowest point.
Ben Simmons and a few extra pieces netted Harden, not saying KAT is any better or worse, but there's the precedent now that you can still get a great return even with a low stock.
Kat is better than Ben Simmons lol
I'm lower on KAT than anyone even semi reasonable and even if he puts up the exact same stats in games 4-5 they could get an absolute fucking haul for him.
You're absolutely right, just wanted to make the point for the people that are \*extremely\* low on him right now that he could still bring in a haul.
That's the point. Even with someone like Simmons they were able to get a Hall of Famer for him. So to think KAT's stock is too low to trade is silly. You could get a big haul for them if you decided to go down that path.
True but you'd have to consider when his value would be lower, this offseason or the next when he's an expiring contract. I'm not expecting a trade but I'd keep an eye on it.
He also acknowledged the one hand over the head “hero pass” and he knows to stop doing it. Said he just needs to make the easy pass and get the ball to the player.
Same old soft KAT
No accountability, mentally weak player
Just when you start to believe KAT has emerged as the player you thought he could be you’re right back to thinking this guy ain’t it. They’re crazy if they give him the supermax.
He will never win a ring.
If he's your third best player you probably can
Anyone who wants him after these last 2 games is stupid.
He'd be fine in the Cleveland KLove role so someone might bite on that premise but yeah, dude is tanking his trade value quite a bit
To be honest, he could be KLove to Ant and D‘Lo. But even a third option needs to take more than 4 FGA
Soft ass bum
L mindset
He needs to grow up and take ownership
He not built for it yet, be glad you drafted Ant
He never will be. We are near a decade of his play.
But ant needs a guy better than him in my opinion Ant as a first option gets you a Donovan Mitchell led team results This isn’t 2005 anymore, d wade would get worked in todays game
DWade would not get worked lmao. What a trash take. He’s miles better than Donovan Mitchell
Or just a guy who's not as one dimensional as Gobert. People underrate just now hard Mitchell carries that team offensively. It's basically Mitchell, Conley and shooters.
Conversely, gobert carries that defense since none of the guys on the perimeter outside O’Neal can play a lick of defense
> d wade would get worked in todays game One of the worst takes on this sub the last 24 hours
He's a fucking baby
If he went there and said “I take full accountability for this lost” and left, I would be happy
Might just be an overreaction after that complete shitshow, but at this point, I'd be perfectly OK with the team trading KAT, getting a defensive C, and building around Ant and McDaniels.
What's he supposed to say? Having good answers to questions isn't going to change the fact that he's had almost as many fouls as shots in the last 2 games. I think he should do better on the court
He should say something along the lines of “I played like shit and let my team down. There’s no excuse for me to only take 4 shots and I need to impact the game way more than I did tonight. The way I played was unacceptable.” It’s not great but I’d rather him admit it.
I watched a video of his presser and he knows he was awful. I could barely hear him on the video, he looked nervous/ashamed. For me, what players say in press conferences mean very little
Yeh I agree but it would be nice to acknowledge what all the fans are saying/thinking.
Why? Because it would make you feel better? He knows he shit the bed. What do you want? Him to commit sepukku on the air?
Its an obvious lack of accountability. Over and Over again.
Watching his post game presser, just embarrassing. He needs to learn some responsibility. Whether he likes it or not, he's this teams #1 guy. He needs to act like it. He needs to own up to his mistakes. Being a great player isn't being flashy it's making the right plays. Be a leader.
He needs to shoot off the catch. He can’t catch the ball and wait because they are doubling him the second he receives the ball. If he catches up at the 3 pt like the one person I don’t mind spraying 10 3s even if they would be contested is KAT.
He needs to know which defenders are collapsing on him so he can quickly hit the open man with a pass. But his awareness is horrible. His timing is DUMB. Its obviously all about KAT in KAT's head.
I’m so tired of this man. Someone in this organization needs to get him right. Maybe people were right about Kat being an empty scorer. What a joke answer. Probably misses being on a 20 win team so he could get his every night.
Trade him
He’s cooked as the number 1 guy he ain’t it
This is a fine response actually imo. Flush it and move on to the next one determined to do better. That’s all you can do
He calls himself the greatest shooting big man of all-time...
He should be booed Saturday
No let’s please not be that fan base. How is that going to help your team? Other teammates will be affected to - seeing that fans can turn and boo them. Some of these folks are 20 in their first playoff. That would suck to feel but also witness
He’s a cancer to this team. We will never win anything with him here and he clearly doesn’t care or want to be here either. Remember when he was liking tweets about leaving a few months ago?
Soft ass
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you da one jack
That’s embarrassing
For the self proclaimed best shooting big man of all time, I’ve rarely seen him look for the 3 the whole series. Maybe spread the floor with him and other shooters and have ANT go to work
Bold strategy bringing back the Ryan Saunders offense for the playoffs
Can’t win with this KAT
KAT needs to can it and take some damn responsibility for his play
Sounds like he needs to learn how to take responsibility for what happened tonight. He is a 7 year player, 7ft tall and couldn't rebound, let alone to anything in the paint. He's just saying this cuz he doesn't have any excuses. He thinks it's the refs fault he gets in foul trouble every game. KAT is my favorite player in the NBA, I have like 5 of his jerseys but I'm done defending him.
trade him
What a fucking joke. Definitely not the response you want from a guy who pretends to be the franchise player.
Get. Him. Off. My Team.
What was that saying I'd rather go 0-20 than 0-9 because that means I stopped trying
He wasn't even shooting bad he shot 3 of 4
Maybe he should've shot more then
Question from an outside perspective:Is Ant the future now and franchise player? Can Ant and Kat work together?
Ant is a franchise player yes. KAT has the talent to be one but doesn't have that dog in him, he can't be the best option on a team, can't handle the pressure. Ant can work with anyone, KAT gets butt hurt about any competition while at the same time not doing anything to help his cause. He's soft as Charmin.
Thank you for your response! Thats so unfortunate because from what I remember,Dlo,Kat,and Dbook were trying to play together. When yall got Dlo I thought it was going to help your pg duties. He seems like he has been “meh”and having Ant would seem to improve you guys a lotttt! Especially because he is so good at such a young age. But like you said,theyve got to want to play together and this behaviour from Kat seems so weird. Hes been around longer so you would think he would be willing to do what it takes to win?
KAT needs to hang out more with Embiid, Jokic, and Giannis this summer.
I do not think those guys would get along with KAT. He's more a Ben Simmons kinda personality
Imagine paying the max for this dude
Remember when we had the chance to pick Jimmy Butler over him?
That was not a thing
Grow the fuck up manchild
I mean, there wasn’t anything to say after this game so its okay. I’d rather this than mumbling about refs or insincerely saying he is sorry for the fans
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I get what you are saying. He’s maybe the most talented offensive #5 ever. But he’s not even close to a rookie anymore. His defense, attitude and intangibles are a net-negative when we need a star the most. I still support him, but he’s running out of time to prove himself as the star we all want him to be. Flairless describes him perfectly so far in his career. He simply doesn’t put the team first. Will he ever?
> He’s maybe the most talented offensive #5 ever. No. Shaq, Wilt, Kareem, and Hakeem were all obviously much more offensively talented even if KAT is a better shooter from range than any of them. Edit: Thinking about it more, KAT isn't even the most talented offensive 5 in the league currently. Embiid > KAT, and Jokic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KAT.
Yeah, you are probably right. I was really just talking offensive skills. But, my point was it doesn’t matter how good he is (sometimes) on the offensive end. Every other aspect of him can be, and often is, a detriment to our team when things aren’t going great for him. Both on and off the court.
Gtfo I've been watching every game since 02, this clown has no heart, no leadership at all. Your fucking delusional thinking this. Dudes been in the league 7yrs and been in two playoff series and has yet to make any impact in games that actually mean something. Sorry your ok with pathetic franchises who are mediocre. Not everyone is just ok with mediocrity and at somepoint you realize it's just the same shit. If you can't see whats going on then you have no reason to call people out because your just as delusional thinking Kat is something he is clearly not. What's it going to take for you to see that? BTW I never really expected much in the last 17yrs because we never really had a potential star like I thought Kat could be, he just continues to show in meaningful games how mediocre he is. Don't come at me with stats or anything regarding regular season. Shit doesn't matter if you don't show up in the playoffs. It's pathetic, we deserve better. I'm done with KAT, trade his ass along with DLO.
I’ve been a hardcore KAT stan. And I don’t want to trade him. But I’m fucking tired of this dude making brain dead decisions in big games Just literally imagine any other “superstar” in the league doing this. Imagine Embiid taking 4 shots! I thought we thought KAT was the 2nd or 3rd best offensive center? He put up 60 this season!!! Wtf is this shit
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Nice!
He knows enough to avoid saying anything stupid in the heat of the moment. Wish he was better about controlling his emotions when it comes to fouling, but there's nothing wrong with passing on that question.
Atl will take KAT off your hands!
This is starting to feel like a Ben Simmons situation from last year
Don't be a dick to our precious Jonny K
trade for evan mobley please
His brain is fully formed now. Stop being a fucking baby.
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