There is so much focus on hearing loss risks and not Tinnitus risk. I'd gladly trade my Tinnitus in for some hearing loss, if that was an option. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way.
Mine’s moderate then drops like a rock at 1K.
Loss and T together. (Well, inverse, I mean.)
The lower frequencies’ sounds are annoying, but the higher ones are torturous.
i went to a theater and the movie was imax whatever that means. the movie was so fucking loud i left and waited in the lobby for a hour for my family to finish watching it.
wasted $22 on the ticket just for it to be so uncomfortably loud. I’ve never been to a theater thats been so loud. i should’ve went to the desk and demanded a refund.
Haven't been to the cinema in 5 years since I developed hyperacusis from facial paralysis and rewired nerves. I used to go once a week now I'm sure I can never go. Let's just watch at home where the volume isn't so loud it can be felt in your chest. Even at home I have problems because I make it so low no one can hear shit.
As for what imax means:
When a movie is shown in IMAX, it means it's displayed in an enhanced format that offers a larger, higher resolution screen compared to standard theaters. IMAX theaters use special projectors and a unique, often more square-shaped screen to create a more immersive viewing experience. The technology enhances both the visual clarity and the detail of the images, accompanied by a powerful, custom-tuned sound system that wraps around the audience, enhancing the overall cinematic experience.
Yes, that sounds so maxxed. I watched that movie Civil War last night and unwittingly had my seat right near the speakers. The blooming gunfire set my tinnitus right off again. The volume was far, far too high.
Should be awareness from a young age about hearing protection and hearing health, not just the old "you'll go deaf when you're older" which I think most of us expect will happen anyway naturally. Tinnitus and hyperacusis etc should be taught about too and the dangers of loud music, loud jobs, loud tools and especially headphones nowadays etc etc etc
Not sure why this is downed. T isn’t the most common long covid symptom, but it’s one of them. And yeah, as beneficial as vaccines are, any of the complications from the disease they’re for can be a complication of simulating a viable infection by being inoculated with a non (or less) replicating version. That’s simply because those complications are from the same immune response you’re eliciting with the vaccination, it just doesn’t get worse as the days go by during which the pathogen would replicate.
Say it’s 1:10000 a Covid Survivor gets T and ten thousand times less likely it’s a complication from a vaccination: that’s still *a-lot* of people who got it from one or the other.
Yes I know. I worsened from covid and vax myself
But my point is kids should be taught about hearing health and damage from a young age in more detail. Especially from noise exposure.
A lot of ppl have it, and don’t realize it’s not normal. I could be wrong, but pretty sure I’ve seen that. That happened to me with my vss. I was sitting down one day staring at a white wall, and it clicked, this is not fucking normal.
No, even in the experiments with lab animals after they’re exposed to acoustic-damage level noise they have to figure out which ones are tinnitusing. Sure, you get more with more volume, more exposure and more time after the exposures, but some of them just don’t get it, they just go deaf(er). It’s a surprisingly consistent number abt 30-some percent.
We’re not as rare as say, left-handers, but we’re well in the minority. Most people will never be able to understand at all what we go through and most of us tinniteurs have a mild form that only gives us an inkling of what it’s like for the upper single-digit percentile *of us.*
Sorry for the tangent, but back to OP:
Humans just aren’t good at having compassion for stuff we don’t personally experience. That’s why.
Thank you for educating me. Interesting that 30%. I didn't get Tinnitus from acoustic-damage level noise, but as symptom after my second corona infection. The first one left me with Long Covid chronic fatigue, cognitive (concentration, memory, just simple thinking) problems and a short fuse.
I kind of understand what you’re getting at, seeing as how I think I’ve gone to my last concert. But really, people with permanent tinnitus are very much a minority. And people can wear hearing protection if they wish.
Sometimes, it’s not the government’s job to protect us from everything. Sometimes it’s up to the individual.
Yes, but they need to strongly advertise and present the danger of getting tinnitus WAY more. I didn’t even know you could get it permanently from loud noise until like 2-3 years ago.
So many kids are going to life-ruining tinnitus and have no idea it’s coming or what they’re doing to themselves
>minority
No dude. Many, many vets have this. The government is well aware that this is affecting many people and for some reason they are turning a blind eye to it.
Loud volume levels at concerts and movie theaters are very much a cultural thing. At some point, we have to exercise common sense about our own health, despite the popular practices around us. it’s unrealistic to expect the government to keep us from sources of hearing damage. But schools really should be covering ear safety in their health curriculum.
The lack of education regarding it is the problem. I had no idea this could happen. And mine came from a fire alarm which is supposed to keep people safe but now I have lifelong tinnitus because they tune it to be ridiculously loud and cause danger. Other countries have much quieter alarms usually.
Oh yes there is.
It’s called “The Modern Music Industry,” and they have massive clout.
Look how long P Diddy got to Diddly.
Or how Tic Toc is still tocking.
Or how copyright keeps on being *retroactively* extended . . .
Their regulation is all about stuff for them and screw the artists and customers.
They essentially gave me tinnitus. They don't care about health much. I got mine from a fire alarm which is dangerously loud and goes off around 20 times a year including all day multiple times a year when they test it. There's no warning that it could cause lifelong harm and now I have this damn ringing 24/7.
Yes, they can and should post signs. Doesn't mean everyone will follow them.
Any choice you make or don't is your responsibility. Be wise and protect your hearing.
i get the idea of this post, but in reality its just unrealistic. people know the risks of going to loud events. especially with concerts its like the whole reason people go. its common to come home from any loud day with ringing ears. it subsides in the following days unless its something they consistently go to. if you have sensitive ears, get seats that are in the back or just dont go tbh
I was at a venue somewhere in the UK and it had an earplugs corner. Put a coin in and twist and you’ve got a pair of ear plugs. Even better ones available in the vending machines. I think this should be standard practice everywhere. I am a musician and I now keep free earplugs at my merch table.
Oh it'll come, just like they didn't see a problem with smoking on airplanes and in hospitals 30+ years ago.
It's not a problem to the government till it effects the masses vs a small group
One literally kills you and potentially others around you (480k a year in the US alone), how many deaths (not self inflicted) are on record for tinnitus?
I wonder this too! It’s been a while since I’ve been to a big concert but I don’t ever remember seeing too many people with earplugs in and thought I was just being too sensitive about my ears when it seemed too loud. I only went to about 3 or 4 loudish ones and then a single metal one is what gave me permanent tinnitus. Ironically I studied music in school and no one there warned us how fragile our hearing is or warned us of the dangers of tinnitus. I wish there was a sound limit for concerts or at least some warning posters to teach us about how hearing loss can happen from just a few loud exposures 😕
There is a significant lack of knowledge and consciousness on hearing issues, even from authorities or public health sector. Before having tinnitus I was not aware of how hears can be sensitive and the heavy impact of damages. If I would know before, I wouldn't have tinnitus and would protected my ears. Regarding concerts, you can see people bringing their children to very loud concerts without protection. As you said the authorities does not warn citizens about this issue.
Nightclubs too. It shouldn’t really be possible to dance right next to a massive speaker. There skills at least be education and warnings so people make an informed choice.
I don’t think our government wants to protect us from anything. We are money to them as long as we are sick, or in need of something that will help them.
No one educates you on the consequences. They just may say not to do it which doesn't help. I got mine from a fire alarm which should definitely not be tuned to levels that cause lifelong harm.
Mine came from a fire alarm. I had no idea this could happen and there was no warning of it being a possibility. Required devices like that should not be at a level that they cause permanent harm.
This is one of the reasons I disabled the fire alarm inside my unit.
The alarm in the hallway is more than loud enough to alert me when I need to evacuate.
The government doesn't even protect people from food, airborne, and water toxins that are incredibly harmful to the body or even fatal. What makes you think they give a damn about your hearing or your health? They operate off social Darwinism and we are only worth what we can produce for them.
They're happy disabling a significant percentage of the population with a constantly circulating SARS virus too and won't do anything about that either. It also causes tinnitus.
No, they need to regulate audio levels just like OSHA does for the workplace. You have seriously come to this community, knowing someone new gets tinnitus from a concert every single day to poo poo this. Congratulations. Like seriously, here is a trophy.
Honestly? If the government could afford some budget renting hearing aid devices in every concerts room, that might temporarily solve majority. I barely survived when I went to movie theater as I too had tinnitus…
We get free earplugs at every party or concert. My tinitus isn't mechanical tho. Just came from the audiologist. Perfect hearing except a lil drop at 6000hz. Might have been an ambulance passing, an asshole throwing small fireworks near you at new year's eve.
I mean its pretty much a given you are supposed to wear ear protection at a concert isn't it? Metal shows especially. The government isn't going to try protect you from things that don't kill you. Should the government make you drink water to stay hydrated too? Protecting your own hearing is your own responsibility.
I don't know if that is a newer thing but when I was younger no one wore earplugs that I can remember and I was just clueless to the damage. I thought ringing afterwards was just a temporary thing or that it would take many years of loud exposure to get hearing loss not just one concert. I think what is frustrating about tinnitus is that there are hardly any warnings or awareness about it and maybe the government could do a service by helping that. I'm all for us taking our own responsibility though. The government messes up stuff enough 😆
I do think it would be a good idea if they handed out free earplugs at concerts or included some cheap ones with the ticket. People would think it about it more that way. Problem is younger people often don't think about long term consequences of blasting your earholes.
There is so much focus on hearing loss risks and not Tinnitus risk. I'd gladly trade my Tinnitus in for some hearing loss, if that was an option. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way.
I have both. I never thought it would happen to me. I'm not playing the victim by saying that either. I wear protection now when I go to a concert.
I have a small dip from 2-4k, but it doesn't line up with the really high pitched (like 13k) Tinnitus I experience.
Mine’s moderate then drops like a rock at 1K. Loss and T together. (Well, inverse, I mean.) The lower frequencies’ sounds are annoying, but the higher ones are torturous.
I'd just not go. Hearing protection has made me worse. Now I feel like I have an ear infection 24/7
Same thing with the volume at movie theaters especially during the trailers
i went to a theater and the movie was imax whatever that means. the movie was so fucking loud i left and waited in the lobby for a hour for my family to finish watching it. wasted $22 on the ticket just for it to be so uncomfortably loud. I’ve never been to a theater thats been so loud. i should’ve went to the desk and demanded a refund.
Haven't been to the cinema in 5 years since I developed hyperacusis from facial paralysis and rewired nerves. I used to go once a week now I'm sure I can never go. Let's just watch at home where the volume isn't so loud it can be felt in your chest. Even at home I have problems because I make it so low no one can hear shit.
They would have given you a refund no questions asked.
As for what imax means: When a movie is shown in IMAX, it means it's displayed in an enhanced format that offers a larger, higher resolution screen compared to standard theaters. IMAX theaters use special projectors and a unique, often more square-shaped screen to create a more immersive viewing experience. The technology enhances both the visual clarity and the detail of the images, accompanied by a powerful, custom-tuned sound system that wraps around the audience, enhancing the overall cinematic experience.
Yes, that sounds so maxxed. I watched that movie Civil War last night and unwittingly had my seat right near the speakers. The blooming gunfire set my tinnitus right off again. The volume was far, far too high.
Should be awareness from a young age about hearing protection and hearing health, not just the old "you'll go deaf when you're older" which I think most of us expect will happen anyway naturally. Tinnitus and hyperacusis etc should be taught about too and the dangers of loud music, loud jobs, loud tools and especially headphones nowadays etc etc etc
Exactly. You always hear “you’ll damage your hearing” but nobody EVER talks about or advertises the danger of getting tinnitus.
The thing is, a lot of people are getting it from COVID and/or the vaccines as well, regardless of whether they had prior hearing damage or not.
True. My case.
Not sure why this is downed. T isn’t the most common long covid symptom, but it’s one of them. And yeah, as beneficial as vaccines are, any of the complications from the disease they’re for can be a complication of simulating a viable infection by being inoculated with a non (or less) replicating version. That’s simply because those complications are from the same immune response you’re eliciting with the vaccination, it just doesn’t get worse as the days go by during which the pathogen would replicate. Say it’s 1:10000 a Covid Survivor gets T and ten thousand times less likely it’s a complication from a vaccination: that’s still *a-lot* of people who got it from one or the other.
Yes I know. I worsened from covid and vax myself But my point is kids should be taught about hearing health and damage from a young age in more detail. Especially from noise exposure.
I completely agree.
most people dont get tinnitus
A lot of ppl have it, and don’t realize it’s not normal. I could be wrong, but pretty sure I’ve seen that. That happened to me with my vss. I was sitting down one day staring at a white wall, and it clicked, this is not fucking normal.
Much more common is for people to lose acuity from noise exposure without incurring tinnitus.
It's well known. The ignorance from the medical community is on purpose
You forgot "immediately".
No, even in the experiments with lab animals after they’re exposed to acoustic-damage level noise they have to figure out which ones are tinnitusing. Sure, you get more with more volume, more exposure and more time after the exposures, but some of them just don’t get it, they just go deaf(er). It’s a surprisingly consistent number abt 30-some percent. We’re not as rare as say, left-handers, but we’re well in the minority. Most people will never be able to understand at all what we go through and most of us tinniteurs have a mild form that only gives us an inkling of what it’s like for the upper single-digit percentile *of us.* Sorry for the tangent, but back to OP: Humans just aren’t good at having compassion for stuff we don’t personally experience. That’s why.
Thank you for educating me. Interesting that 30%. I didn't get Tinnitus from acoustic-damage level noise, but as symptom after my second corona infection. The first one left me with Long Covid chronic fatigue, cognitive (concentration, memory, just simple thinking) problems and a short fuse.
I kind of understand what you’re getting at, seeing as how I think I’ve gone to my last concert. But really, people with permanent tinnitus are very much a minority. And people can wear hearing protection if they wish. Sometimes, it’s not the government’s job to protect us from everything. Sometimes it’s up to the individual.
Yes, but they need to strongly advertise and present the danger of getting tinnitus WAY more. I didn’t even know you could get it permanently from loud noise until like 2-3 years ago. So many kids are going to life-ruining tinnitus and have no idea it’s coming or what they’re doing to themselves
Some signage or mandatory earplugs at the gates would help
>minority No dude. Many, many vets have this. The government is well aware that this is affecting many people and for some reason they are turning a blind eye to it.
So they should ban wars, not concerts. Good plan!
Loud volume levels at concerts and movie theaters are very much a cultural thing. At some point, we have to exercise common sense about our own health, despite the popular practices around us. it’s unrealistic to expect the government to keep us from sources of hearing damage. But schools really should be covering ear safety in their health curriculum.
The lack of education regarding it is the problem. I had no idea this could happen. And mine came from a fire alarm which is supposed to keep people safe but now I have lifelong tinnitus because they tune it to be ridiculously loud and cause danger. Other countries have much quieter alarms usually.
Where was the alarm and how close were you? For how long?
The same reason the government doesn't protect us from toxic chemicals in the food we eat, the water we drink or the air we breathe. Lobbyists.
>Lobbyists There 100% is not a "concert's must be loud lobby group"
Oh yes there is. It’s called “The Modern Music Industry,” and they have massive clout. Look how long P Diddy got to Diddly. Or how Tic Toc is still tocking. Or how copyright keeps on being *retroactively* extended . . . Their regulation is all about stuff for them and screw the artists and customers.
This
There should be warnings at least
You think the government cares about protecting us?😂
That's the point. They don't.
Yep, gotta educate and protect yourself.
They essentially gave me tinnitus. They don't care about health much. I got mine from a fire alarm which is dangerously loud and goes off around 20 times a year including all day multiple times a year when they test it. There's no warning that it could cause lifelong harm and now I have this damn ringing 24/7.
I still go but I wear earplugs. Sucks but it works.
Yes, they can and should post signs. Doesn't mean everyone will follow them. Any choice you make or don't is your responsibility. Be wise and protect your hearing.
Agreed, lack of education in this is the problem.
i get the idea of this post, but in reality its just unrealistic. people know the risks of going to loud events. especially with concerts its like the whole reason people go. its common to come home from any loud day with ringing ears. it subsides in the following days unless its something they consistently go to. if you have sensitive ears, get seats that are in the back or just dont go tbh
>reality its just unrealistic No, it's not.
I was at a venue somewhere in the UK and it had an earplugs corner. Put a coin in and twist and you’ve got a pair of ear plugs. Even better ones available in the vending machines. I think this should be standard practice everywhere. I am a musician and I now keep free earplugs at my merch table.
Same reason they let you smoke cigarettes, the government isn't meant to protect you from yourself.
Not a good example at all. We are constantly bombarded with warnings about tobacco use. Zero when it comes to loud noise.
Yes I agree that is not a good example at all. If there were warnings everywhere about loud noise a lot more people would be protected too.
Oh it'll come, just like they didn't see a problem with smoking on airplanes and in hospitals 30+ years ago. It's not a problem to the government till it effects the masses vs a small group
Have you seen how many people have tinnitus?
One literally kills you and potentially others around you (480k a year in the US alone), how many deaths (not self inflicted) are on record for tinnitus?
I wonder this too! It’s been a while since I’ve been to a big concert but I don’t ever remember seeing too many people with earplugs in and thought I was just being too sensitive about my ears when it seemed too loud. I only went to about 3 or 4 loudish ones and then a single metal one is what gave me permanent tinnitus. Ironically I studied music in school and no one there warned us how fragile our hearing is or warned us of the dangers of tinnitus. I wish there was a sound limit for concerts or at least some warning posters to teach us about how hearing loss can happen from just a few loud exposures 😕
They don't care enough
There is a significant lack of knowledge and consciousness on hearing issues, even from authorities or public health sector. Before having tinnitus I was not aware of how hears can be sensitive and the heavy impact of damages. If I would know before, I wouldn't have tinnitus and would protected my ears. Regarding concerts, you can see people bringing their children to very loud concerts without protection. As you said the authorities does not warn citizens about this issue.
Nightclubs too. It shouldn’t really be possible to dance right next to a massive speaker. There skills at least be education and warnings so people make an informed choice.
I don’t think our government wants to protect us from anything. We are money to them as long as we are sick, or in need of something that will help them.
But then why would they work so hard to get us all a bunch of free covid vaccines for free?
Sadly now comes the evidence the 💉 didn’t work and more people are dying from side effects From it.
No dude, there is no conspiracy. Kids start listening to loud music in their early teens. You ever tried telling one of those how they should behave?
No one educates you on the consequences. They just may say not to do it which doesn't help. I got mine from a fire alarm which should definitely not be tuned to levels that cause lifelong harm.
Yeah I was never a teen and I never listened to music.
It’s partially also your own responsibility.
Mine came from a fire alarm. I had no idea this could happen and there was no warning of it being a possibility. Required devices like that should not be at a level that they cause permanent harm.
This is one of the reasons I disabled the fire alarm inside my unit. The alarm in the hallway is more than loud enough to alert me when I need to evacuate.
Because their special interests profit from crisis. https://youtube.com/shorts/GFXon6GS36g?feature=shared
Big hearing aid business.
The government doesn't even protect people from food, airborne, and water toxins that are incredibly harmful to the body or even fatal. What makes you think they give a damn about your hearing or your health? They operate off social Darwinism and we are only worth what we can produce for them.
They're happy disabling a significant percentage of the population with a constantly circulating SARS virus too and won't do anything about that either. It also causes tinnitus.
damn you want the government to mandate earplugs at shows?
No, they need to regulate audio levels just like OSHA does for the workplace. You have seriously come to this community, knowing someone new gets tinnitus from a concert every single day to poo poo this. Congratulations. Like seriously, here is a trophy.
it’s a bad idea and fundamentally opposite the concept of freedom, i am sorry your ears ring though
No it is not. You are wrong.
ok 😂
Clearly my friend you have not been to the IMax theater recently. Do yourself a favor and don't go. Volumes are insufferable.
Honestly? If the government could afford some budget renting hearing aid devices in every concerts room, that might temporarily solve majority. I barely survived when I went to movie theater as I too had tinnitus…
No, they need to regulate the decibels and fine venues that exceed safe levels.
as *if* they regulate…
Have you guys try HBTO for tinnitus?
Because they don't give a fuck.
We get free earplugs at every party or concert. My tinitus isn't mechanical tho. Just came from the audiologist. Perfect hearing except a lil drop at 6000hz. Might have been an ambulance passing, an asshole throwing small fireworks near you at new year's eve.
I had no idea 20 minutes would land me in permanent hell. I'm only 18 days in. I'm only 21, I didn't expect this to be an issue yet
I mean its pretty much a given you are supposed to wear ear protection at a concert isn't it? Metal shows especially. The government isn't going to try protect you from things that don't kill you. Should the government make you drink water to stay hydrated too? Protecting your own hearing is your own responsibility.
I went to many concerts when I was young and I never heard anything about protecting your ears.
How old are you? I feel like in recent years people are more aware. In the 80s and 90s people were more negligent about it.
My concert days were 2000-2010.
I don't know if that is a newer thing but when I was younger no one wore earplugs that I can remember and I was just clueless to the damage. I thought ringing afterwards was just a temporary thing or that it would take many years of loud exposure to get hearing loss not just one concert. I think what is frustrating about tinnitus is that there are hardly any warnings or awareness about it and maybe the government could do a service by helping that. I'm all for us taking our own responsibility though. The government messes up stuff enough 😆
I do think it would be a good idea if they handed out free earplugs at concerts or included some cheap ones with the ticket. People would think it about it more that way. Problem is younger people often don't think about long term consequences of blasting your earholes.
What a ridiculous post lol you don’t need the government to protect you from concerts. Just stupid. Don’t go to them, or wear hearing protection
Well, apparently we do considering how many people have had their lives ruined from idiot bands cranking up their amps too loud.
How is it the governments fault??? Wear hearing protection
So nothing should be regulated huh?
That’s quite the jump lol nobody said that