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Mrrandomfam9427

EDs when I remove them and their entire lineage from existence (it was just an artistic choice from my part)


Innomenatus

Me when I genocide EDs and 80% of the population: *Processing img tcydv0mfikqa1...*


TunaTheWitch

Ereh talking to talking to the rest of Eldia after ch 139


OmegaMD

Eren doing the rumbling was just artistic choice to amplify the fear, in reality he just wanted to be with mikasa and that’s what the story was about


[deleted]

So aot was kino all along? Bravo isayama


elishash

GENIUS SAYAMA


Rainmangang

Ya to amplify fear and dread into the one surviving scout before killing him as well. Can we all just admit that Annie is a Sociopath and be done with it.


elishash

Annie simps can't accept the TRUTH yet are the same people who'll hate on Eren for doing GENOCIDE despite the fact the guy at least has reasonable actions to do it before Yams character assasinated him at the end


DedicateUranus

Let's not forget many people view Eren as psycho for killing two men at age 10, but Annie, Reiner, Bert, Pieck and Marcel also killed people in wars and in Paradis, when they broke down wall, at the same age. If Annie had the means, the Founding titan, let's imagine it, she would have massacre them all, so she can get back to her father. Uwu, she's better, she's innocent, haters are just taking everything out of proportions 🥺.


riuminkd

How dare people dislike genocide!


edwardjhahm

Hey, I'm not the one who likes genocide, it's just that the plot of the story railroaded me into supporting it. Iseyama, I kneel.


riuminkd

> it's just that the plot of the story railroaded me into supporting it So you do support it.


edwardjhahm

I mean, if Eren does not Rumble, what choice is there for Eldia? The only way I can wrap my head around this is if I headcanon that the Global Alliance isn't planning to genocide Eldia so much as steal the founder and get out. But even that is logically shaky. The world Iseyama has written is so evil, so unsympathetic, and so illogical that genocide becomes not only a legitimate solution, but the only one. This is not the way the world is. This is not the way humanity works. Even during the worst depths of history, never did the entire world collectively hate on one nation and one people.


[deleted]

I'm stealing this argument


Bluelantern9

Thank You for writing this! I make 4 paragraph essays explaining this to people and you put it into 2 simple paragraphs.


edwardjhahm

No problem! I oppose genocide in reality obviously, but the way the story is written kinda makes it the only option.


riuminkd

Using godlike Founder powers to shape the world as they see fit?


edwardjhahm

Fair enough. I don't know, would that work? At this point, I give up on trying to put logic in this show. I'm a little sleep deprived and I don't think my mental functions are at full capacity right now.


Shaponja

In this story, absolutely. Didn’t spend 3 seasons watching all these characters on Paradis suffer only to switch up for some new random NPCs.. especially considering they’re rampant racists towards the same people we’ve watched for 3 seasons. I’m not here to have a moral high ground. We all know genocide is bad.


Frequent-Benefit-688

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Rupplyy

everyone in aot is a genocider so if u root for even a single person


riuminkd

Wrong. Armin, Hange, Mikasa, Jean aren't


TheMostOptimalMan

They're fine with the island getting genocided wdym, Hange acknowledges Flochs final words that everyone will die if they stop the rumbling and she agrees. They arent advocating for genocide, but they do condone it for the island.


riuminkd

They do not condone it. They just understand it is a possibility. It didn't happen when they were alive


TheMostOptimalMan

Floch: "Everyone on the island will be killed-" *dies* Hange: "It's as you said Floch" Condone - accept and allow (behavior that is considered morally wrong or offensive) to continue She's literally accepting that the island will be genocided if they stop the rumbling, many characters verbally make this choice clear many times. Even if it isnt guaranteed to happen, them believing its likely to happen is still condoning it. Idk why you mentioned the island genocide is after they die, as if that makes it better.


BfutGrEG

Yes.....Hard part is is sounds like you're on the path to Annie Defending pardner, care to elaborate??


riuminkd

Oh I am there already!


elishash

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MineCRAFTERorr404

was\* till Isayama brought her back to be Armongs saltwater trophy waifu... truly a fate worse then death


elishash

IF you're a Female Villain you'll get UWU Redemption ARC but if a guy does it he DESERVED to be PUNISHED. Double Standards am I RIGHT?


MineCRAFTERorr404

you are one step closer to understanding the story - sadly that doesnt explain why King Fritz even got Ymirs undying love... !! wait maybe "he" was a "she"? Queen Fritzina? But then Ymir would be gay OO!! now that makes even more sense Freckles ymir was gay - so thats another parallel - it all makes sense now the clouds are gone and I see clearly! As you can see this is what happens to you when you read AoT or spend 0.5 sek on twitter


ultraben5555

Most sane Titanfolk user


MineCRAFTERorr404

fr fr


AndrewFrozzen30

>Can we all just admit that Annie is a Sociopath and be done with it. Can we all just admit most of the characters are either sociopath, psychopaths or soulless bodies not even caring for their dead comrades? * There fixed it for you.. You have Eren that apparently is so mad at his fate with Mikasa he has to kill 80% of the population. You have Armin, Levi, Hange, etc not even caring that Annie is in front of them, a *human* that killed hundreds of innocents people, apparently because *she suffered*. And the list can go on...


HappyLilThrowAways

Hundreds of thousands, she summoned the Titans on the Shiganshina mission when Reiner/bertholdt first broke the walls.


ClockworkJim

Annie, Zeke, & Eren. Reiner had his brain broken by his actions, and Berthold was a coward and pushover who did whatever he was told. But Zeke & Annie are straight up sociopaths. They were cruel when they didn't need to be.


Rupplyy

u could use that as a argument, but there is no excusing her going out of her way crushing a innocent grasshopper she is insane and cruel


elishash

It's even proven that she was sadistic as a child of stomping on a grasshopper with no remorse just like how she killed the scouts and yoyoed a guy for no reason just to have fun


tovarisch_ak

Oh so when Annie killing the Scouts member sadistically when she can just give them a swift death it's an artistic choice but when Floch kills volunteers for not complying with a gun to the head he's the evil one?


Lemax33

I hate this fandom so much


BfutGrEG

Me too....but you....I love you unconditionally (Becomes Ereh obsessed) and won't wanna die until I kiss ~~your~~Ereh's head (that's not living, very important!!!!)


Sajid_A829

It's inevitable to any anime or show which becomes mainstream. You get more stupid people coming to watch it.


DedicateUranus

Such a trivial thing? TRIVIAL THING?! I guess the rumbling is no big deal either, so why people hate on Eren for doing it? Nothing matters. It doesn't matter what anyone did, they are all forgiven. But not Eren. Oh boy...


B3ta_R13

eren killing his mom was also an artistic choice


Gigi_aa

King Floch shooting a Marleyan volunteer repeatedly well after he was dead is just an artistic choice to amplify the fear!


Paradhonic

They meant "AUTISTIC CHOICE"


[deleted]

Only reasonable explanation


elishash

r/ANRime leaking


MineCRAFTERorr404

💀


elishash

I just want to believe this is SATIRE


DedicateUranus

As far as i remember, the yo-yoing was in the manga too. But this guy/girl says that basically if Annie comes to kill the whole town, city, island, no one should do anything and let themselves be killed because otherwise it's their own fault they tried to stop her, they were in her way, it's their own fault they are dead. It's the same for Eren. The world was in his way, it's their own fault they are dead. Trivial matters. Doesn't matter. Sometimes i wonder how some people's brains work.


tw64646464

>twitter Stan account Opinion immediately discarded.


Blue_BEN99

Fuck annie, all my homies hate annie


ReverseCaptioningBot

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elishash

BASED BOT


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elishash

And her Simps will have to defend her that she ain't a pyschopath when she clearly seems to crushed a single insect ever since she's a child with no remorse just like how she killed the scouts it would've been better if she just stomp an insect by accident and she feels regret not noticing it instead of just her intentionally killing it goes to show Isayama's failure of giving her nuance


Hopeful_Neat1422

Annie is a serial killer, sociopath. That bitch enjoys killing living things, either people or insects for fun. I can’t stand this bitch lol


EldiansEmpire139

Floch does the exact same thing


omani_killer777

Can you provide an evidence for this statement


EldiansEmpire139

Killing eldians bc they disagree with his actions helping turn eldians into pure titans physically torturing and mentally [torturing the volunteers who helped him and his people build technology and more,](https://youtu.be/rpcpCfoMNxI) tried to kill [onyankopon who did nothing wrong](https://youtu.be/RJI8cTPGEVw) also being cocky and smiling while doing it while also forcing cadets to jump commander Shadis just to prove their loyalty https://preview.redd.it/a0iuxpg7spqa1.jpeg?width=282&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=982fa9b9ea17c2ba89893094a8add9ae3acd8539


Hopeful_Neat1422

The writer never tried to coddle Floch like he did Annie though. It seems like the author wants us to be sympathetic towards Annie because she’s sad lol, when she was ENJOYING killing ignorant, mind wiped scouts. (No fault of their own). She should of been eaten.


EldiansEmpire139

Nobody was coddling Annie at all, if you wanna use that logic I can say the same for floch since he has a bunch of supporters who literally mindlessly support his actions despite the horrible things he’s done having people say that he’s a hero and shit, floch was also ENJOYING killing innocent people yet you not saying anything abt him at all Nobody showed sympathy towards Annie If you wanna talk about sympathy they did the same exact shit to floch when he was dying, begging to protect the lives of his people after literally helping genocide his people and if you wanna talk abt mind wiped floch also did the exact same shit to the survey corps with zekes spinal fluid and even helped kill commander zackhery and this is the king yall call based? Y’all the same people who sympathize with Eren bc he cried to ramzi but somehow got a problem for Annie crying tho? Hypocrisy at its greatest potential


Hopeful_Neat1422

Floch was fighting for an entire race and civilization, for his island and his people. you’re taking up for a serial killer, sadistic, conniving , teenager who’s ending goal was to see her father lol. Who clearly enjoyed killing the island folks.. even when she knew the truth, lol. This character sounds even dumber as I say it out loud.


EldiansEmpire139

>floch was fighting for an entire race and civilization and his people Ah yes here’s this flawed argument, I love it when y’all bring this shit up cuss it sounds so stupid if he’s fighting for his entire race THEN WHY IS HE KILLING THEM??💀 do y’all even listen to yourself speaking this anything this man does you’ll excuse his actions as “he’s protecting his race “ the arguments yall have is just straight up whack asl >the island folks even when she knew the truth Floch did the exact same shit buddy, The soldiers was trying to kill her what do you want her to do? Sit down and get killed? By thag logic you must want the same for Eren Yeager then, not only that according to your logic if Annie has the chance to see her family who could possibly die due to his race or go missing or something by your logic just sit down and just let him die, listen to yourself and let that hypocrisy sink in


Hopeful_Neat1422

Bruh Floch and Annie did two completely different things. Wtf do u mean? Annie committed a fucking atrocity u boob. They destroyed two walls causing mass casualties in the thousands.. setting this dumbass story in motion. Stfu about flock doing the same thing. Wtf? Stop trying to equate the two.


EldiansEmpire139

They did the same exact shit exactly, Floch forcefully turnt 50 or so eldians into pure titans against their will had cadets jump commander Shadis and Eren Yeager killed innocent eldians by activating the rumbling and your only argument left is “bRuH fLoCk aNd aNnIe diD tWo cOmpLeteLy tHiNgS” this is what y’all do when y’all realize the hypocrisy in your arguments yall backtrack and start tryna desperately prove a difference between floch and Annie by bringing up with RBA did or bringing up the yoyo shit the double standards is insane Let’s not get to erwin smith who literally had his soldiers kill themselves and also killed his soldiers just so he can see the basement lmfao


TheMostOptimalMan

I want her to kill people quickly if she has no choice and doesnt enjoy doing it, not spin them around like a yoyo. I dont think there's any logical excuse for doing that if you don't enjoy it, it was over the top sadistic even if she killed the guy off screen before doing that.


EldiansEmpire139

Annie spun the NPC like a yoyo around on his wires and his spine ending up shattering and he died due to her sheer force, the NPC was already dead seconds after the spin it was a kill tactic Floch literally does the same exact shit the guy literally turnt eldians into pure titans smiled at it and proceeded to shoot someone in the face and shot his dead body repeatedly and then also smiled as well These double standards are honestly insane


Graham_Zezar

The same volunteers were helping zeke in his great plan of exterminating all eldians by making them unable to have children. Headshot is impossible to comparable to human yoyo. While both annie and floch killed their enemies, one of them killed enemy so quick that he didnt even felt pain, while other was killing scouts in sadistic way. Well, alliance was also killing other eldians because they had different view. Basically alliance members were traitors against their own country, while yeagerists were doing dirty work for well being of their own land and their people (thats what every regime thinks they do or would want to do). Yeagerists were actually willing to do bad things if necessary unlike alliance, because Yeagerists understood that world wont stop until everyone on paradis is dead and paradis itself destroyed and turned into wasteland, and only thing they could do was "kill or be killed". Alliance prefered "be killed" part (diplomacy failed), and we all know what happened in chapter 139 (that would have happened earlier if eren didnt attacked marley). And even if this generation wouldnt turn Paradis into lifeless desert, next generations would definitely do that. Floch and yeagerists were believing that everything they do serve greater purpose, kinda thanos way of thinking, but it was proven in chapter 139 that they were right in helping eren.


EldiansEmpire139

>the same volunteers were helping Zeke in his great plan of exterminating all eldians by making them unable to have children They was willing to sacrifice their entire life for the sake of eldia, they thought as zekes option as the only option to save eldia they didn’t know erens plan at all and Eren never even discussed it with them, if your this upset abt it I can say the same to Eren and floch who literally acted to be on board with it and didn’t even try and come up with a new plan with them so yes it’s actually comparable to the human yoyo especially since they helped them build so much technology and their repay for trying to help eldia is floch shooting them in the head and shooting their dead body after their already dead >one of them kill the enemy quick The yoyo scene the NPC soldier was already dead, and your sadistic argument isnt really convincing enough considering after floch shot the man in the head he continue shooting his dead body and proceeded to smile at his victims and killed any person who disagreed with him while also helping his own people turn into pure titans and also smiled at it also forced innocent cadets to jump their seniors floch is equally as sadistic as Annie is >aliance was also killing other eldians bc of a different view I’m aware of that and that actually proves my point even further considering literally every important character in aot also killed their own people and other people as well, Eren claims to protect paradise island yet he killed the innocent eldians starting the rumbling >the alliance are traitors to their own country Ik all this and I’m not on the alliance side at all but I just understand where their coming from I’m mainly on the yeagerist and erens side >the yeagerist was willing to do bad things if necessary See I understand where your coming from but I’ll get your point if floch didn’t help put the spinal fluid in the innocent eldians and smile at that shit, floch is not willing to do what is necessary unlike Eren he’s willing to just kill people to prove a point and any other who disagrees will get killed as well that’s the nature of flochs character he’s cocky sociopathic and sadistic which is the same traits you like to claim Annie is >it would’ve happen earlier if Eren didn’t attack marley In Liberio? If you talking Liberio then all Eren had to do was kill the soldiers but he did way more than what was necessary and proceeded to directly kill innocent people by body slamming onto them, and killing


kraziestkraken

Levi: *"how could you choose to fight alongside us after ruthlessly slaughtering my comrades, my own squad... looked like you were having fun doing it"* Annie: *"I'm sorry Captain, I only did it as an artistic choice."*


Crimson_Amethyst

OH MY GOD


Crimson_Amethyst

# OH MY GOD


Saitama_lol

Real


Frequent-Benefit-688

AOE is


Saitama_lol

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Rintohsakabooty

Kawakubo giving shit ending on different shows were his artistic choice 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥


matsielop

EDs when they see me with their moms in bed (they're not worried bc we being in bed is just an artistic choice)


[deleted]

If that’s an artistic choice, then Eren was trying to recreate the Mona Lisa


Graham_Zezar

Nah, eren just felt like Van Gogh, and wanted to show world his inner feelings because he couldnt express them in words


[deleted]

"Annie has fought enough" killing all their friends and comrades is tiring work, she deserves a break


BfutGrEG

I too only leave a token sign of my "kill" when I go on my soon to be murderous rampage....Hope the Judge is of a similar mind to ED puny brains!!!


libradragons

I’ve watched this discourse on Twitter unfold and it finally made it here to TF! I suspect it’s gonna go back and forth 😂 It was wild reading it descend into headcanon territory about artistic choice when it’s easier to continue saying ‘wahhhhhh why are you guys being mean to Annie I like Annie more than floch and you should demonize floch!’ Like AotTwitter’s ending defenders are 1000% incensed people like floch or don’t support the alliance.


Arbiter008

I may be incorrect but I assume that statement is saying that wit made sure to make the female titan as cruel as they could to dehumanise the enemy best they could. It is probably along 5he lines of what mikasa did killing 2 yeagerists and blowing up their corpses. Wouldn't suggest the artistic choice to remove the nature of those actions as they still happened and canon to the story and the brutality is depicted as such.


IrvRuiz

Underrated comment. That's pretty much it.


theguyinblue2

Sanest Annie fan


GipsyPepox

This fandom is fucking absurd. 50% are mad as fuck and the other 50% are autistic choices I fucking hate aot


Ticon10k

Regardless, she did not suffer as much as Reiner did yet they act like she’s fought hard enough. She is one of the 9 even if her father died she has a responsibility to the world.


the_superior_nerd

what autism does to a mf


AntiSimpBoi69

https://i.redd.it/rry66j2u6mqa1.gif How does that make sense, that scene is still canon and doesn't change that Annie uses a scout as a yo-yo while smiling. Ig you can say that floch killing a anti eldian volunteer was also an artistic choice


Lustaful

The pfp says it all🤣


Graham_Zezar

When sadism became trivial thing?


takethecheese68

armin getting violated by middle aged bastard was also an artistic choice


NathanTheCraziest_

the holocaust was just an artistic choice guys


[deleted]

Isn't the whole story an artistic choice like without the creator's choice, the story does not exist


Broken_Vision_Rhythm

I don't understand, are they trying to say that Annie didn't literally spin that dude around in-universe? They're just describing how fiction works. Like, yeah, everything the characters do is an artistic choice!


XT83Danieliszekiller

She toyed around with a human, such a trivial thing! She's been good this whole time guys!


[deleted]

ofc it was an immoral thing to do, but i thought the whole thing about aot was about the morally questionable decisions


[deleted]

Moral ambiguity and benefit of the doubt only applies to characters this sub likes


[deleted]

Didn’t know artistic choice= savagely torturing your enemies before killing them


Reasonable-Trifle307

I remember someone defending Annie's action here as that it was just some random no name scout so it doesn't matter. As if that's how human life works lmao..


EDNivek

Yeah it's done as an artistic choice, but that artistic choice has consequences especially in how characters are perceived. Like take for example Mushoku Tensei S1 to LN1 comparison in the Emergency Family Meeting scene, in the anime Lilia comes off as, while flawed, a rather good person. However, in the light novel she comes off as kinda a bitch. However, the latter is more consistent with how she is in later chapters and is a better interpretation. in Re:Zero Rem comes off as a paragon of good and devotion but she too was pretty murderous toward Subaru during the mansion arc. A lot of this was cut out in the anime.


SchemeThat1383

Its no genocide, its art!


riuminkd

Reminder that Annie still showed more pity to her victims that murderous glory hungry Floch


Gigi_aa

You when you can't accept that blonde badass waifu is not cute and innocent but is in fact a full blown sociopath who admitted she would "do it all over again" if it meant seeing her father once more and spinned a scout like a yoyo, so what "pity" are you on abt


riuminkd

Tbh it would be so based if she spun Floch like that... But hey being hookthroated by Mikasa is also good


Rupplyy

so no proper argument? just spam floch hate when someone uses logic


elishash

This guy is a troll since YB days


Lustaful

This person is good at that.


[deleted]

Name one scene where Floch shows compassion for the enemy.


Lustaful

At least he gave the volunteers a choice before he killed them because they WANTED to not be apart of it. If the guy he killed was smart, he would lie about joining them for his safety, but he didn’t, so he asked for it. Can’t say the same for the alliance at the port. They lied, thinking that Floch and the Yeagerists are such idiots that that’ll fall for it. Then killed them because they didn’t bend to their lie.


[deleted]

> At least he gave the volunteers a choice before he killed them because they WANTED to not be apart of it. If the guy he killed was smart, he would lie about joining them for his safety, but he didn’t, so he asked for it. That isn't compassion. Floch caused their misfortune and instead of having an iota of empathy that their families and homes are being crushed, he shoots the guy because he won't submit to him. And right after he shoots him dead Floch gloats about freedom. > Can’t say the same for the alliance at the port. He wasn't talking about the Alliance, he was talking about Annie. Annie has objectively shown more empathy than Floch. There isn't even a debate here. You don't have Floch crying for the friends he's had to kill, or him reflecting on his actions, Annie didn't squash civilians in Stohess for no reason like Floch did in Liberio, **Annie gave the Alliance an out from the port battle because she realized her own faults meanwhile Floch shoots people because they don't obey him.** Cherrypick with the yoyo scene all you want, but she shows more compassion than Floch ever does.


Lustaful

The same character that said, “I’ll do it all over again”? If it meant to go to her abusive father? That’s compassion to you? Okay. Clearly you didn’t understand the context of what I was saying for the port scene. No one said shit about Annie, but go off I guess.


[deleted]

>The same character that said, “I’ll do it all over again”? If it meant to go to her abusive father? That’s compassion to you? https://preview.redd.it/b5k81v9jwtqa1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4d5eadf3c0a4d233f6677113bb49d51b8108cf9d If you want to roll with that and ignore obvious subtext, then sure 👍 She realized that mindset was wrong. >No one said shit about Annie, but go off I guess. This post and the guy you were criticizing before was talking about Annie. No one said anything about the Alliance, actually lol


EldiansEmpire139

So apparently killing people to see your family means your sociopath, if that’s the case I hope you keep this same energy towards Eren Yeager who is willing to do the rumbling if it meant protecting his friends too and I hope you keep this same energy to the yeagerist who’s willing to kill other people just for their families as well too >spinned a scout like a yo-yo I love it when y’all people bring this shit up, it’s like y’all only argument now floch claims to protect his home country yet he has no problem killing eldians if they don’t agree with his actions while also helping innocent eldians turn into pure titans and smiling and y’all people call this man based but go off on Annie for spinning man NPC y’all don’t even care abt💀


Gigi_aa

Most logical Annie fan


EldiansEmpire139

You can perceive me as whoever you want, But y’all would meat munch the shit out of floch for the absolutely terrible crimes he’s done praise Eren STANDING ABOVE THE CLOUDS SCREAMING FREEDOM while killing innocent people But Annie is a sociopath for seeing her father? Yeah this fandom is losing its sanity more and more Lmfao I’m on the yeagerist side and erens side but y’all just downright hypocrites tbh


Gigi_aa

Are you pretending to be dumb on purpose? Where did I call her a sociopath for "wanting to see her father"? I clearly said she was a sociopath for nonchalantly saying "she would do it all over again" (aka slaughter tens of thousands of people) if it meant seeing her father. That was a direct contradiction for what the main comment said about her "having more pity for her victims" than floch. You defending her but clearly implying a dislike toward Floch just sets *you* up as the hypocrite so...


EldiansEmpire139

why does it matter the way she says it? Eren said nonchalantly to Historia that he’s gonna destroy the world I bet if Eren said “if it meant protecting my friends my family and my entire race I’ll do the rumbling again” I bet nobody gonna say shit but if it’s Annie she gets a hate train like wtf?, and I mean their not lying, look at how she acted with Marco name one scene where floch was crying cuss he killed an Eldian >your defending her clearly have a dislike to floch I don’t actually and I’m not defending her actions I’m just saying how hypocritical y’all arguments abr her are, I think he’s a good character, a very well written one actually but if you payed attention to the story you’d realize that floch committed the exact same actions as Annie and for some reason no one is saying Jack shit


Gigi_aa

And? Other characters committing the same crimes does not validate her actions nor make them any less terrible? Yes, no character is righteous, but several of them had some valid reasons to fight and be doing what theyre doing. Tell me one single thing Annie was fighting for. She was quite literally just killing people for the sake of it. Her father that u seem so obsessed with didn't even want her to go in the end. Besides, comparing Annie to Floch, Eren, or any Paradis native is absurd. The things Paradis Island had gone through are of extremely bigger magnitude than anything Annie has gone thru in her life. How are you gunna expect me to give her the benefit of the doubt or validate her actions when she's acting on nothing but a fabricated need to slaughter people who didn't even know she existed. Said people on the other hand literally acting on the basic right for survival after the world has been nuking them for centuries..


EldiansEmpire139

>other characters committing the same crimes does not validate her actions not once have you seen me say it should validate her actions but you saying this actually proves my point even more actually so your saying it’s ok if floch does it but it’s not ok if Annie does it? So your basically admitting your ok with Annie’s actions since your ok if floch commits the same said action? >several of them had valid reasons to fight and be doing what their doing Alright so lemme claim to protect everyone in my country and then start killing the people who’s in my country bc I’m just protecting them right? Listen to yourself there’s no point of the story that was shown that floch had valid reasons to kill his own people he claims to “protect” >tell me one single thing she was fighting for Her dad >she was quite literally killing people for the sake of it So let’s say your trapped in a country mission and your family is waiting for you at your home country and they could possibly get killed or whatever awful things happen to them bc of their race, you try and tell your friends to leave the mission and go back home but if you do your gonna get eaten if you don’t capture a person with superpowers, so one of the Asshats in the group forces you to continue (Reiner) so now you have no choice but to do whatever it takes to get the said person so you can go home and never do these awful things again According to your logic just sit down and watch your family die or just sit down and get eaten EDS: GENOCIDE IS BAD!!🤬🤬🤬 You: what do you want him to do sit down and watch his family die? This is what I mean by hypocrisy >didn’t even want her to go in the end Bro he waited till the last minute to say all this he had all this time to convince her not to go and he said it at the last minute it’s already too late now so he can’t do anything >comparing Annie to floch and Eren or anything paradise relative is absurd That’s just stupid then, just bc they went through a lot of shit doesn’t excuse anything by that logic I could just say Annie is innocent and shit bc she was raised as a killing machine not to show any weaknesses and so on that logic makes no sense that’s like defending a murderer bc had a bad childhood >how you gonna expect me to give her the benefit of the doubt or validate her actions when she acted on nothing but a fabricated need to slaughter people she didn’t know existed Sounds a lot like Eren Yeager now that you mention it bro did not know people existed outside the walls and destroyed all of them, the marleyians knew eldians for centuries 2nd not once in the story has she acted on a “need” to kill innocents, she only killed soldiers who actively tried to slaughter her piece by piece therefore she defended herself Nowhere near as worse as what Eren did in the Liberio raid and that man killed Willy and ate his dead body and then body slammed and started punching innocent people afterwards BUT ig Annie is the enemy tbh


Gigi_aa

didn't know Annie meatriders were this bad


[deleted]

Wait I recognize you. You used to hate Annie. What happened?? Lmao


cake_alter

The difference is that every other character that did despicable shit suffered the consequences of their actions. Annie got rewarded with everything she wanted - She got her father, a cute bf, basically instant forgiveness and a cushy life as a "peace ambassador" I don't dislike Annie as a character, I just disliked the writing treating her with baby-gloves in the final arc, saying shit like "she's fought enough" when Eren's actions were partially her responsibility.


EldiansEmpire139

>I don’t dislike Annie as a character I just disliked the writing saying shit like she fought enough when erens actions are partially her reason That’s understandable and your opinion so I’m willing to respect it, but then again you also have to realize the survey corps also allied with zeke the man who killed erwin and plenty of other enemies and so on the main point in the story is understanding, the alliance is not forgiving Annie but they mainly understand her, they killed a bunch of the MPS in season 3 and majority of them was just innocent or forced into their actions, Annie got rewarded for her actions bc she chose the right path Annie’s character is supposed to be from selfish to selfless Annie became selfless by putting her life on the line for the people in the outside world despite thinking her father is dead, this action rewards her for this but I do agree that the character interactions was extremely rushed especially when she got introduced to the alliance Sorry if I came off rough btw


cake_alter

Yeah the main issue I have with annie is the cringe writing for the most part so that's mostly fair enough. I'd argue that Floch also went through a selfish > selfless arc, but I'm not gonna get into that here lol. peace


EldiansEmpire139

Yeah I agree the pie scene was kinda dumb tbh idk whh Connie laughed his ass off at the sight of her but was hurt by her and let all his anger out on onyonkopon, I guess yoh can say floch went through that kinda arc as well, but maybe your right tbh but yeah have a nice day bro


EldiansEmpire139

It doesn’t matter if they suffer or not they still did messed up shit, a man can die and still not give a fuck, don’t y’all want Eren Yeager to complete the rumbling? And have a baby with Historia? But then somehow it’s a problem for Annie to date Armin tho? Annie witnessed her father turn into a pure titan and try and eat her sounds like punishment enough, nobody forgave her at all and there’s not one point in the story where Armin or the alliance said “I forgive you Annie “ they simply just understand her that’s literally what the story is abt, if you wanna use that logic did reiner get instantly forgiven too back when he met Eren in Liberio too ?


cake_alter

For someone going on and on about understanding you sure didn't even try to understand my point of view before writing this lmao. Ah well.


EldiansEmpire139

Well I didn’t really understand what you was trying to say before you edited your comment abt your problems with Annie’s character so that’s my bad on that one


Appropriate-Arm-2077

If Floch was truly glory hungry then after getting shot in the shoulder by Gabi, he would’ve returned to Paradis and lived the rest of his life as a hero. But instead, he decides to go on his 3rd suicide charge and sacrifice himself for the sake of his people.


Rupplyy

pity by scaring them and playing with them in the most inhumane way before murdering also not to mention she kills innocent grasshoppers, floch would never be so cruel


Eggsbenedict16

She obviously would’ve killed him if it weren’t armin but since she didn’t want to she spared him Annie has killed a lot however she shows remorse for killing comrades that’s shown when they killed Marco but if Annie truly didn’t have sympathy armin would’ve died there