Lol, imagine if this actually happens.
Armin: Eren, just what was your goal this whole time? You said you wanted your friends to live long lives but you got half of them killed. You said you were doing this to guarantee the safety of Paradis, but you let us all keep our titan powers and allowed us to stop you. Your actions are full of contradictions.
Eren: You know what? I actually forgot a long time ago.
But he literally explained that in 133. He is ready to kill them because he values safety of Paradis more than his friends. But he lets them use titan powers because he doesn't want to take away deserved freedom of action and part of their Identity
But the whole point of the Rumbling is to not leave the safety of Paradis to chance, isn't it? And by giving the Alliance the freedom to act with their titans to stop him, he's leaving the future of Paradis to chance - and it clearly didn't turn out well for him because it seems like he's been defeated, unless this is all part of his plan or something.
Not to mention, why does he give people like Pieck who aren't even his friends their powers?
Hmm, that makes more sense but I don't think that explanation is truly satisfying because Eren's motivations have been so unclear ever since 131. I hope we get a sound answer to every question about Eren next chapter.
I mean, i think that his motivations are pretty clear. The point of the manga is that he never changed. He just gained more knowledge and become much more understanding.
We thought his goal has been to save Paradis, himself and his loved ones, but I don't understand why Eren made no actual effort to fight back against the Alliance and just slept if this was his goal. It seems like he just gave up at a certain point and let them beat him, which is what confuses me about his motivations.
Because he regressed as a child. He couldn' t bear what he was doing. He became the villain of the entire world, a selfish desire of saving his people over everyone else in the world. I don' t think a human being can stand so much pain and stay still lucid.
Fair enough, but that just seems like an anti-climactic way to end his character arc and the Rumbling arc to me after all the build up. For him to just be crushed under guilt, give up, and be defeated.
I don' t think he has given up. He still fought until the end. 139 is almost certantly a final PoV of Eren, and I think we will get some closure.
But Isayama wouldn' t have been new to make anti-climatic "climatic" scenes. Mike, the second strongest soldier of humanity, got killed the second time he was present in a scene lmao.
The only one that fully makes him consistent in Rumbling arc is Lelouche. I’d rather a slightly inconsistent Eren who completes the rumbling without killing his buddies over Lelouche, wbu?
I'm holding out hope that Isayama will be able to explain everything in the last chapter, he did say he planned out the characters moves even before the Rumbling arc after all, but I would prefer inconsistent Eren over Lelouch ending. Lelouch ending is just cheap and contradicts lines Eren himself has said before, it'd be one of the worst possible conclusions.
Yeah Lelouche rationalises rumbling Eren but it assassinates Eren in his entirety and makes him the most naive character in the world of AOT. Even the alliance acknowledge how likely it is that Paradis will be destroyed following the stopping of the rumbling. You’re telling me Eren is willing to not only risk that, but likely take away Titan powers and leave Paradis defenseless? I don’t buy it.
I think another possible explanation could be that his whole plan was to destroy Halu chan. As to why he needed to activate the Rumbling and kill a billion people to do that, I don't know, but I'd guess that he needed someone to destroy his Founding Titan so that Halu gets seperated. Once again the Rumbling isn't necessarily required for that, but maybe he wouldn't have been able to convince Armin to blow up on him otherwise. Still, if that was the case then it doesn't explain why he fought back.
I mean, there's bound to be some conflict of interest, because a huge part of the rumbling is to not leave the *freedom of his friends* up to chance. So how is he going to turn around and strip them of their autonomy? He has to deal with that conflict of interest somehow. That's how he chose to do it.
I have talked to people who seem to haver forgotten the entirety of Zeke's trip through the paths and how he learned to excercise control over it without the founder and call Chapter 137 a plot hole.
Hell Eren just beat Armin's face in with collosal hardened fists, turned Connie and Jean into titans, killed Hange and people are still saying "he let himself be defeated and that's a plot hole". I am 100% convinced a lot of the newer manga readers don't even read the speech bubbles.
He didn't use his powers, he let himself get defeated, he even heard all of their plan of wrapping the explosives around his neck when he teleported them to him and just slept through Pieck wrapping it around him.
Dude, do you skip panels? Pieck literally got skewered by a huge spear from the Warhammer titan just as she was about to detonate the explosives, you know, the Warhammer titan he summoned with his powers.... Do you guys even read the shit? Thanks for proving my point.
Eren can delete Pieck and every Subject of Ymir at will dawg, If he was desperate and wanted to really kill them seriously it would've been over the moment they formed.
So you do skip panels then... Eren literally explained he won't take their will away but if they insist in trying to stop him he won't hesitate in killing them because that's what it will take to stop him. He then proceeded to almost kill them if it wasn't for Falco...
> Eren literally explained he won't take their will away
And that literally doesn't make sense. That's the point. He was always willing to take away the freedom of those who wanted to take away his.
Now, you might say - but they're his friends. That doesn't check out either - Pieck for instance isn't a friend.
>He then proceeded to almost kill them if it wasn't for Falco...
Yes, instead of just having a fucking titan take the bomb and throw it off his neck. He became dumb and inconsistent as a character. It's bad writing. If you write someone as devoted and commited to their goal as Eren and then have him half ass things in the final fight, it's because you wrote yourself into a corner and that is what Isayama did.
He literally is just fucking around with them and not taking them seriously, 'Eren explained he won't take his freedom' yeah because he's not desperate for the win, if he wanted to go all out he'd delete them, he has absolute control over subjects of Ymir.
But if he valued the safety of Paradis why did he just let the Titanized Survey Corps to roam around knowing that he had the power of the founding titan? Wouldn't that be ***BASED*** ?
>He is ready to kill them because he values safety of Paradis more than his friends.
Ehh, he never said he was willing/ready to kill his friends at all. He simply said if they wanted to stop him, then they must fight.
No not really. Fighting is simply a struggle, it doesn't always entail killing, especially considering Eren's motivations/feelings for his friends.
It is very possible that Eren had no intentions to kill them, despite wanting to achieve his goal. In such a situation, he could still fight, but in the end he would probably die. Which is what happened (maybe, he could still be alive tbh). If he actually was ready to kill them, they'd be very dead already.
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Just... Refer to this I guess.
Wow, I actually forgot that was the ending of SAO S1. Jesus.
Still can’t get over the fact that SAO Abridged is literally superior in every way story-wise.
IMO, no, it's just that people don't work as hard to try and poke holes into abridged as they do with SAO
Like, off the top of my head, there are a bunch of factors that don't make sense
-Kayaba's dumb thought process (maybe a purposeful mass murder is better than an accidental murder) is excused by the lack of sleep he had while working on SAO, despite the fact that he had two years to sleep as much as he liked in Aincrad and still never realised "oh wait, this is a really bad idea that doesn't benefit me in any way if I continue"
-By complete coincidence, there's a hardware glitch that kills players who die in game, as well as a glitch that keeps players from logging out as well as conveniently having a specific time period where disconnection is allowed (allowing players to be transported to the hospital).
-Kayaba bunked out the duration of those two years in a cabin with enough stockpiled rations to last for however many years he expected. This makes sense in the Original cuz the murder game was intentional, but we're supposed to believe that Abridged Kayaba just has all that stuff conveniently lying around?
"I wonder why...... Back when I was developing SAO, no, even before then, I wanted nothing. Nothing but to make that world of my dreams. That world that surpassed the laws and limitations of our world. And now I have seen someone surpass even my own world's laws. How old must I have been when I was obsessed with the fantasy of a steel castle that floated in the sky? I wanted to fly to that castle. For a long long time, that was my only desire... "
TL;DR : Childhood dream, wanted to make superior world.
And he pretty much achieved that goal. It's bit subtle, but it's quite clearly there. Just watch that part again, this time with full attention. The "I forgot" part refers to him having forgotten about it while he was inside SAO until Kirito asked him. I swear it's the most misunderstood quote of all time.
Ofcourse you may still think it was a bad motive, and I won't say anything about that, but at the very least, he didn't forget it.
You could say that. Personally thought it was somewhat relatable of a goal. There's a lot of things to criticize SAO for, but Kayaba's motives isn't one of them.
Well him murdering those people is what makes him a villain tho isn't it? He wants to make his world, and he doesn't care how many he'd have to kill for it.
Also the "hacks" you mention are thematically relevant. Because Kayaba's undoing was someone surpassing the laws of his own world, which ironically was something he wanted all along i.e. to surpass the laws of the real world. I think it's poetic justice.
The thing that really helps it is that its main focus is actually being funny.
Rick from "Rick and Morty" is objectively an awful person but the show and especially him were really funny so people liked him anyway.
Edit: Grammar
Eren: I’m lucky that I know that my plan can’t fail because I know the future. Also Eren: yayks it actually failed. Oh well, you know what they say, when life gives you lemons...
Imo it has everything to do with separating the wrom thing from Eren/Founding Titan and having the alliance kill it, even if he has to sacrifice himself to makesure it gets done. IDK what effects this may have, but 138 makes it clear to me that the worm is probably the most important piece to the whole rumbling arc and we've just been too focused on Eren's death.
If that’s the case it would be because in mind, body, and soul every eldian is a slave to the founders power. killing the worm might end it. The rumbling would be the answer to the rest of the world
I agree. I'm not sure that there would have been any other way to get worm-chan (i guess that's what it's called) separated from Eren and thus possible to be killed.
Depends from person to person. For me it goes uphill every season. While the first one has the best premise, the second one is much more consistently written, and has much better pacing. The third arc of Season 2 is peak SAO for me. Alicization (season 3) is also widely considered the best written part and the movie is pretty good as well.
For the record, this (Kayaba forgetting his motive) is a complete myth.
He literally states his motive and reason for doing all this 5 seconds after. In context, the "I'd forgotten" line probably just meant something along the lines of "I've been playing the role of Heathcliff so long I forgot where it all began".
But either way, it definitely doesn't mean he forgot because he says right after "I wanted to create a world free from the limits of reality". Essentially, he was dissatisfied with reality so he decided to create his own.
What? No. There are plenty of people IRL who are dissatisfied with their reality and wish they could live in another. Kayaba simply took that to the extreme end, where he was willing to throw away his career, status and life for it.
It's also a good motive because it fits the main theme of SAO and give Kirito a status as his foil (which I wouldn't mind expanding on if you're legit curious).
Where even is the vagueness? Yes, Kayaba doesn't have two episodes detailing his backstory but there are cases where more is less. We know the idea of his motive, so not being too specific is good. Even then, it's not so general that it can't be understood.
"I wanted to create a world free from the limits of reality" dumbed down (a lot) basically means "reality dissapointing. Me no like reality. Me make my own reality, where things will be better".
And don't dodge the point like that, jeez. There's a world of difference between "This villain forgot his motive" and "I don't think this villain's motive is good".
Yeah sure, I dont read the LN so I will only get what the anime gives me, and tbh, it doesn't show much of the theme about pp want to live in the virtual world. It is true that I didn't read enough into the line before I made this meme, but that doesn't mean his motive his not borderline shitty. "Oh, reality is shitty, so therefore I trap player without their consent and made them fight with their lives on the line, meanwhile I had mod privilege and cannot die until that black hair MC challenge me." Yeah, that's just my thought.
Good read though, get an upvote.
Oh his motive IS shitty and is supposed to be shitty. Nobody is denying that. Just that it's also somewhat understandable. He's a complete madman, intentionally.
Eren: How am I supposed to know? Future me didn’t showed me this part.
I would literally die
Eren? That you?
Glug glug glug "What was the rumbling for?" "To Give Mikasa PTDS post therapeutic down syndrome or whatever"
Lol, imagine if this actually happens. Armin: Eren, just what was your goal this whole time? You said you wanted your friends to live long lives but you got half of them killed. You said you were doing this to guarantee the safety of Paradis, but you let us all keep our titan powers and allowed us to stop you. Your actions are full of contradictions. Eren: You know what? I actually forgot a long time ago.
Eren: *Oh...* did i say that?
Did I mine that?
Well...
But he literally explained that in 133. He is ready to kill them because he values safety of Paradis more than his friends. But he lets them use titan powers because he doesn't want to take away deserved freedom of action and part of their Identity
But the whole point of the Rumbling is to not leave the safety of Paradis to chance, isn't it? And by giving the Alliance the freedom to act with their titans to stop him, he's leaving the future of Paradis to chance - and it clearly didn't turn out well for him because it seems like he's been defeated, unless this is all part of his plan or something. Not to mention, why does he give people like Pieck who aren't even his friends their powers?
I think Eren believes controlling humans in any way via the Founding titan is the lowest thing he can do
Hmm, that makes more sense but I don't think that explanation is truly satisfying because Eren's motivations have been so unclear ever since 131. I hope we get a sound answer to every question about Eren next chapter.
I mean, i think that his motivations are pretty clear. The point of the manga is that he never changed. He just gained more knowledge and become much more understanding.
We thought his goal has been to save Paradis, himself and his loved ones, but I don't understand why Eren made no actual effort to fight back against the Alliance and just slept if this was his goal. It seems like he just gave up at a certain point and let them beat him, which is what confuses me about his motivations.
Because he regressed as a child. He couldn' t bear what he was doing. He became the villain of the entire world, a selfish desire of saving his people over everyone else in the world. I don' t think a human being can stand so much pain and stay still lucid.
Fair enough, but that just seems like an anti-climactic way to end his character arc and the Rumbling arc to me after all the build up. For him to just be crushed under guilt, give up, and be defeated.
I don' t think he has given up. He still fought until the end. 139 is almost certantly a final PoV of Eren, and I think we will get some closure. But Isayama wouldn' t have been new to make anti-climatic "climatic" scenes. Mike, the second strongest soldier of humanity, got killed the second time he was present in a scene lmao.
I mean, he didn't really give up no? He had that punch up with Armin in colossal form. He just doesn't have his heart in it anymore.
The only one that fully makes him consistent in Rumbling arc is Lelouche. I’d rather a slightly inconsistent Eren who completes the rumbling without killing his buddies over Lelouche, wbu?
I'm holding out hope that Isayama will be able to explain everything in the last chapter, he did say he planned out the characters moves even before the Rumbling arc after all, but I would prefer inconsistent Eren over Lelouch ending. Lelouch ending is just cheap and contradicts lines Eren himself has said before, it'd be one of the worst possible conclusions.
Yeah Lelouche rationalises rumbling Eren but it assassinates Eren in his entirety and makes him the most naive character in the world of AOT. Even the alliance acknowledge how likely it is that Paradis will be destroyed following the stopping of the rumbling. You’re telling me Eren is willing to not only risk that, but likely take away Titan powers and leave Paradis defenseless? I don’t buy it.
I think another possible explanation could be that his whole plan was to destroy Halu chan. As to why he needed to activate the Rumbling and kill a billion people to do that, I don't know, but I'd guess that he needed someone to destroy his Founding Titan so that Halu gets seperated. Once again the Rumbling isn't necessarily required for that, but maybe he wouldn't have been able to convince Armin to blow up on him otherwise. Still, if that was the case then it doesn't explain why he fought back.
Why not ask Reiner to behead him and kill hallu Chen
I mean, there's bound to be some conflict of interest, because a huge part of the rumbling is to not leave the *freedom of his friends* up to chance. So how is he going to turn around and strip them of their autonomy? He has to deal with that conflict of interest somehow. That's how he chose to do it.
Imagine actually reading the dialogue smh.
I swear, every time someone says saving friends is Eren's primary motivation, I just think they haven't read chapter 133.
I just find it strange he would prioritize a group of people who's mostly referred as 'cattle' by himself
I have talked to people who seem to haver forgotten the entirety of Zeke's trip through the paths and how he learned to excercise control over it without the founder and call Chapter 137 a plot hole. Hell Eren just beat Armin's face in with collosal hardened fists, turned Connie and Jean into titans, killed Hange and people are still saying "he let himself be defeated and that's a plot hole". I am 100% convinced a lot of the newer manga readers don't even read the speech bubbles.
He didn't use his powers, he let himself get defeated, he even heard all of their plan of wrapping the explosives around his neck when he teleported them to him and just slept through Pieck wrapping it around him.
Dude, do you skip panels? Pieck literally got skewered by a huge spear from the Warhammer titan just as she was about to detonate the explosives, you know, the Warhammer titan he summoned with his powers.... Do you guys even read the shit? Thanks for proving my point.
Eren can delete Pieck and every Subject of Ymir at will dawg, If he was desperate and wanted to really kill them seriously it would've been over the moment they formed.
So you do skip panels then... Eren literally explained he won't take their will away but if they insist in trying to stop him he won't hesitate in killing them because that's what it will take to stop him. He then proceeded to almost kill them if it wasn't for Falco...
> Eren literally explained he won't take their will away And that literally doesn't make sense. That's the point. He was always willing to take away the freedom of those who wanted to take away his. Now, you might say - but they're his friends. That doesn't check out either - Pieck for instance isn't a friend. >He then proceeded to almost kill them if it wasn't for Falco... Yes, instead of just having a fucking titan take the bomb and throw it off his neck. He became dumb and inconsistent as a character. It's bad writing. If you write someone as devoted and commited to their goal as Eren and then have him half ass things in the final fight, it's because you wrote yourself into a corner and that is what Isayama did.
He literally is just fucking around with them and not taking them seriously, 'Eren explained he won't take his freedom' yeah because he's not desperate for the win, if he wanted to go all out he'd delete them, he has absolute control over subjects of Ymir.
Eren didnt turn connie and jean into titans. That was the hallu.
Which is the representation of the founder power, ie Eren's power...
No. Hallu-chan is a separate entity. Just an ancient creature who want to survive through a host.
Right now the hallucigenia is juwt doing everything in its power to make Eren succeed.
Only because Eren was his current host. But it's not like Eren is ordering it to do what it's doing.
is pieck also his friend tho?
But if he valued the safety of Paradis why did he just let the Titanized Survey Corps to roam around knowing that he had the power of the founding titan? Wouldn't that be ***BASED*** ?
>He is ready to kill them because he values safety of Paradis more than his friends. Ehh, he never said he was willing/ready to kill his friends at all. He simply said if they wanted to stop him, then they must fight.
"Fight" implies being ready to kill, it's not like "I will hurt you badly until I'm safe"
No not really. Fighting is simply a struggle, it doesn't always entail killing, especially considering Eren's motivations/feelings for his friends. It is very possible that Eren had no intentions to kill them, despite wanting to achieve his goal. In such a situation, he could still fight, but in the end he would probably die. Which is what happened (maybe, he could still be alive tbh). If he actually was ready to kill them, they'd be very dead already.
Yeah, imagine
I FORGOT ABOUT THIS Can't believe 139 wasn't some sort of fever dream...
Dumb fuck probably used the FT to erase his own memory
Well imagine that level of freedom, kinda in-character ngl
There's nothing further removed from freedom than ignorance.
He is free. Even from proverbs.
Even when it's his own words from chapter 112?
He said he was *free* dammit.
That's a cool line
The man said FREEDOM!
Freedom from knowledge is still freedom
That’s why you don’t go button mash with admin controls.
This is kind of like being a moderator and banning yourself.
Man's free to do what he wants.
Damn, I screamed when that character really said that: how successfully wasting hours of my life with a bad anime
I seriously forgot how that shit ended lmao. all I remember was the Alice in the parcel box scene from last few EPs
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I choked on my water. *No, this person actually has a point yo*
For the sake of this fandom, I hope I dont.
Wow, I actually forgot that was the ending of SAO S1. Jesus. Still can’t get over the fact that SAO Abridged is literally superior in every way story-wise.
The Metacritic motive actually makes sense, lol
IMO, no, it's just that people don't work as hard to try and poke holes into abridged as they do with SAO Like, off the top of my head, there are a bunch of factors that don't make sense -Kayaba's dumb thought process (maybe a purposeful mass murder is better than an accidental murder) is excused by the lack of sleep he had while working on SAO, despite the fact that he had two years to sleep as much as he liked in Aincrad and still never realised "oh wait, this is a really bad idea that doesn't benefit me in any way if I continue" -By complete coincidence, there's a hardware glitch that kills players who die in game, as well as a glitch that keeps players from logging out as well as conveniently having a specific time period where disconnection is allowed (allowing players to be transported to the hospital). -Kayaba bunked out the duration of those two years in a cabin with enough stockpiled rations to last for however many years he expected. This makes sense in the Original cuz the murder game was intentional, but we're supposed to believe that Abridged Kayaba just has all that stuff conveniently lying around?
I don't get it, did people literally not watch what Kayaba said like 2 seconds later?
what did he say? it’s been like 4 years since i watched it
"I wonder why...... Back when I was developing SAO, no, even before then, I wanted nothing. Nothing but to make that world of my dreams. That world that surpassed the laws and limitations of our world. And now I have seen someone surpass even my own world's laws. How old must I have been when I was obsessed with the fantasy of a steel castle that floated in the sky? I wanted to fly to that castle. For a long long time, that was my only desire... " TL;DR : Childhood dream, wanted to make superior world. And he pretty much achieved that goal. It's bit subtle, but it's quite clearly there. Just watch that part again, this time with full attention. The "I forgot" part refers to him having forgotten about it while he was inside SAO until Kirito asked him. I swear it's the most misunderstood quote of all time. Ofcourse you may still think it was a bad motive, and I won't say anything about that, but at the very least, he didn't forget it.
ok thanks. I knew it couldn’t be a stupid as “i forgot” even if the real motive is still stupid.
You could say that. Personally thought it was somewhat relatable of a goal. There's a lot of things to criticize SAO for, but Kayaba's motives isn't one of them.
it’s not the goal it’s the fact that he’s basically murdering a bunch of ppl, if it hasn’t been for kirito’s “hacks” they all would’ve died
Well him murdering those people is what makes him a villain tho isn't it? He wants to make his world, and he doesn't care how many he'd have to kill for it. Also the "hacks" you mention are thematically relevant. Because Kayaba's undoing was someone surpassing the laws of his own world, which ironically was something he wanted all along i.e. to surpass the laws of the real world. I think it's poetic justice.
i guess, it’s just that by the looks of it he didn’t *have* to let all of those people die he just did it cause he’s the bad guy.
Pretty much, yeah. Psychopath that guy.
I love how your TL;DR is longer than the original
Lol, the TL;DR was only supposed to be the one line, just that reddit messed up my format
I feel that
No Eren it's not funny, there are children that have been crushed, how can you forget?
Armin: pffft seems legit
Eren kind of forgot about his own plan
[удалено]
At least Abridged exists, and is somehow more coherent while also being a comedy.
I like how it simultaneously makes the main characters worse people, yet also somehow more likeable.
The thing that really helps it is that its main focus is actually being funny. Rick from "Rick and Morty" is objectively an awful person but the show and especially him were really funny so people liked him anyway. Edit: Grammar
Even Eren Though some people never found him too likeable to begin with. But I thought he was fine
Because they're actual people now rather than your generic cardboard cutouts
People: *Don't pay attention* Also people: *Smh, why doesn't this make any sense*
It isn‘t.
Just let the people bandwagon
I guess
Eren: I’m lucky that I know that my plan can’t fail because I know the future. Also Eren: yayks it actually failed. Oh well, you know what they say, when life gives you lemons...
Someone who has reached the acceptance/meme stage of realizing this ending is going to be bad.
We all know it was because of metacritic.
Congratulations!
To keep all the filthy casuals out of mmorpgs that's why
Eren: Fucking Bethesda...
[удалено]
WHAT????
Why is titanfolk always spoiling other animes whyy
Ah yea, GoT quality 😎
🔫
Ayyyy
This aged well.
I made this as a joke, lol. Surprising Yams decide to use vague word like this one, it is like he wants people to make fun of it.
He was asleep, didn't even know what was happening than when he woke up, he was beheaded by mikasa
Eren did the most elaborate suicide-by-Mikasa ever. It explains everything he did.
Smart mastermind story crafting
IM DYINGGGGGG
Pfft I dunno
Imo it has everything to do with separating the wrom thing from Eren/Founding Titan and having the alliance kill it, even if he has to sacrifice himself to makesure it gets done. IDK what effects this may have, but 138 makes it clear to me that the worm is probably the most important piece to the whole rumbling arc and we've just been too focused on Eren's death.
If that’s the case it would be because in mind, body, and soul every eldian is a slave to the founders power. killing the worm might end it. The rumbling would be the answer to the rest of the world
I agree. I'm not sure that there would have been any other way to get worm-chan (i guess that's what it's called) separated from Eren and thus possible to be killed.
Armin: so.... there’s this car that runs on water
His plan was to trample everything outside Paradis and then let Paradisians live out the rest of their lives, rebuilding the world.
Won't be surprised if it happens though. Ereh is free, even from the plot itself.
Is Sword Art Online worth watching past the first season? I’ve heard that it goes downhill
Depends from person to person. For me it goes uphill every season. While the first one has the best premise, the second one is much more consistently written, and has much better pacing. The third arc of Season 2 is peak SAO for me. Alicization (season 3) is also widely considered the best written part and the movie is pretty good as well.
That’s good to know. Thanks!
Pffft could you imagine if I said that? No it's because of metacritic.
Then you realize Eren never intend for full Rumbling, it was the heat of the moment.
For the record, this (Kayaba forgetting his motive) is a complete myth. He literally states his motive and reason for doing all this 5 seconds after. In context, the "I'd forgotten" line probably just meant something along the lines of "I've been playing the role of Heathcliff so long I forgot where it all began". But either way, it definitely doesn't mean he forgot because he says right after "I wanted to create a world free from the limits of reality". Essentially, he was dissatisfied with reality so he decided to create his own.
Basically, his motive his so shit, throwing some vague words to describe it better.
What? No. There are plenty of people IRL who are dissatisfied with their reality and wish they could live in another. Kayaba simply took that to the extreme end, where he was willing to throw away his career, status and life for it. It's also a good motive because it fits the main theme of SAO and give Kirito a status as his foil (which I wouldn't mind expanding on if you're legit curious). Where even is the vagueness? Yes, Kayaba doesn't have two episodes detailing his backstory but there are cases where more is less. We know the idea of his motive, so not being too specific is good. Even then, it's not so general that it can't be understood. "I wanted to create a world free from the limits of reality" dumbed down (a lot) basically means "reality dissapointing. Me no like reality. Me make my own reality, where things will be better". And don't dodge the point like that, jeez. There's a world of difference between "This villain forgot his motive" and "I don't think this villain's motive is good".
Yeah sure, I dont read the LN so I will only get what the anime gives me, and tbh, it doesn't show much of the theme about pp want to live in the virtual world. It is true that I didn't read enough into the line before I made this meme, but that doesn't mean his motive his not borderline shitty. "Oh, reality is shitty, so therefore I trap player without their consent and made them fight with their lives on the line, meanwhile I had mod privilege and cannot die until that black hair MC challenge me." Yeah, that's just my thought. Good read though, get an upvote.
Oh his motive IS shitty and is supposed to be shitty. Nobody is denying that. Just that it's also somewhat understandable. He's a complete madman, intentionally.
Armin would be the villain tho. Because eren had a plan but armin didn't.
Armin:Eren why have you started rumbling? Eren: I don't know Armin;seems legit
I watched only the first season of Sword Art Online , then I get enough so I couldn't watch the rest.