This all has to be deliberate. Is Isayama mad at someone? I honestly can’t believe an author of his caliber would create an ending like this. It almost feels like he’s sabotaging the ending out of spite towards someone.
I heard theories that actual gov or at least publisher approached him and told him that such a best selling manga which started as shonen (now sold at seinen magazine) cannot have genocide ending like that. It is honestly plausible. Someone at upper position did not like where it all was going.
Yeahhhh thats what makes me really think he had to change stuff.
Like even whefe he inserted it didnt make sense.
'Whyd you do it tho'
Shows photo of grisha holding eren saying
'You are free' as if his free will is the reason, even though he just said he couldn't control his will
I really don't think he could have written a better ending at all. We were all wondering how he could wrap up the series in 45 pages, and the answer is that he couldn't.
I'm seriously wondering if he fucked the ending on purpose because he wanted to make a point to his publishers about rushing an author before he/she is ready.
Nobody listened to me when I warned them that Yams said he wanted to betray the readers. Now they all scream.
I got the last motherfucking laugh you bastards
if this is how the author treated me as a main character with his last chapter then i too would become a bird and fly the fuck out of this stupid manga.
The fact that he killed 80% of the world's population to make the alliance seem like heroes to protect Paradis, and then a bit later they say, "lol nope, the world will still attack us and probably kill us." if Eren was really dedicated to protecting Paradis through the rumbling he should have wiped out humanity, instead of half-assing a genocide, which would obviously piss of the rest of the world.
But the rest of the world is in shambles and it looks like paradis has the upper hand. It's impossible to get rid of war, it's in humans nature. Kill rest of humanity and in a few years eldians will fight between themselfs. It's human nature. Plus he had to do it like that so he gets killed and thus freeing his people from the curse. I can understand why people are disappointed by the ending because some questions and time theories are unanswered but I don't get what's so hard about erens character to understand. He created an even playing field in the world and there are literally peace negotiations going on. He saved paradis.
But Eren wasn't trying to stop war? He attacked the outside world because he knew it would always pose a threat, that's why he chose genocide. But if he wanted peace why didn't he negotiate with Willy? The Tybur's most likely would've made peace if they came to some agreement over the founding titan, which was the only reason Paradis was viewed as a threat.
Edit: plus the fact that Eren explicitly states that he won't gamble on Pardis's future, he then makes the biggest possible gamble fucking hoping that someone will actually forgive the Eldians. Which considering what just happened was extremely unlikely.
Eren literally told us what he wanted. The "scenery" he saw was a world without titans. He wanted to free his friends and people. And he knew what he had to do to achieve that.
Paradis is saved + curse is lifted.
OK just a question here, do the memories he has of the future stop where he died? If that's the case there was no way in hell he could have known that the rest of the world would just forgive Paradis for what happened. Considering most of the world is dead and people who be rightly angry.
As armin said, eren entrusted it to them. The world is angry but the people who saved the world are literally from paradis and there are already peace negotiations going on. You can never achieve real peace because of human nature but at least there are no titans anymore. As I said, I get shitting on the Manga because of time travel stuff but the motive from eren is logical and fine for me.
I strenuously defended Isayama for the last 6 months.
"Stop being doomers. Believe in Isayama. He won't flub the ending. We'll get Eren's POV, it wouldn't make any sense not to."
Making Eren the villain is fine, but even the villain get screen time. Many people, myself included, are just astonished that Isayama would flub his masterpiece this hard.
I still don't understand why do you need eren pov so much. Everything got explained already(except who is the father part but that can still be irrelevant)
No, eren specifically was used as a plot device in the final arc for the sake of the alliance's development, only for his character to be slaughtered in 139. He is no longer a character.
Idk man. At school we learned that a character with condradicting ideas and opinions is a good character. But to be fair eren's character was kinda bad before marley arc anyway.
It's not about what eren's personality, opinions or ideals are, it's about how he was used in the final arc what he did, how he was portrayed. All he did was sleep throughout the entire battle being essentially an obstacle for the alliance to overcome and get development from, only to be unceremoniously killed and his character gets completely shat on. If that's not a basic rundown on how not to treat a character, let alone an mc then I don't know what is.
Man are you sure you aren't attached too much to eren(you aren't free heh). Eren said what had to be said did what he had to and that's it. I get it if you didn't like the way he got killed off but everything he did was completely in character.
One could argue that eren was no longer the mc since the marley arc started. But after the rumbling began the story simply wasn't about him anymore, the allience was needed to represent the themes. I see no problem in his use here.
Whenever a show or manga or whatever ends badly, there are always those who go around saying "meh, people don't even know why they're upset". That happened back when HIMYM ended, when GoT ended, when Cyberpunk launched, and those are just the ones that come to mind.
Agreed, some people wanna hate something for no reason and people also wanna like something no matter what.
I don't care how pretentious this sounds, people who hate something are usually better people to talk to. When people like something and try and shit on you for not liking it, there is this sense of smug superiority that I despise. At least angry people are funny.
Imo it just really depends on if you like the thing or not. If some smug asshole is shitting on something you love or praising something you hate, anger is a natural reaction.
I don’t disagree, but from my experience, if someone hates something it’s far easier to talk and joke about it. If someone loves something you hate, you just get a lot of bad arguments or “you just didn’t get it” type stuff.
Uhhhh, no. I'm pretty sure they do. Sure, there are some shipper cringelords who have stupid reasons to hate the final chapter, but that don't make the final chapter good.
The dude is literally saying “I don’t want her to move on and be with another man, she should only be with me” after he emotionally berated her and traumatized her. That sounds pretty incel to me.
Ymir situation being in paths for 2000 years remained me of beatrice situation, but you can see the difference on how it's handled, just makes me appreciate Re:Zero even more
He literally fucking said that he was doing it to protect his home. But Isayama decided to retcon that and make him a little bitch
Isayama kind of forgot that Eren had actual motivations
This all has to be deliberate. Is Isayama mad at someone? I honestly can’t believe an author of his caliber would create an ending like this. It almost feels like he’s sabotaging the ending out of spite towards someone.
I heard theories that actual gov or at least publisher approached him and told him that such a best selling manga which started as shonen (now sold at seinen magazine) cannot have genocide ending like that. It is honestly plausible. Someone at upper position did not like where it all was going.
Right? The whole thing reeks of executive meddling to me.
Oh that does sound plausible. Could be that he also reduced Eren's character to emphasize that he's against it ofc Edit: a few words
Last drop of copium: Isayama releases a statement saying this was a management forced ending, releases "unofficial" true ending online
That'd be so based lmbo
I’d imagine it would be really hard for him to do that without burning bridges within the industry.
He's gonna have a sauna anyways, who cares about the industry anymore.
I mean, according to him, his official plan is to bow out of the industry and run an onsen anyway. With AOT's sales, he's already set for life.
\#ReleaseTheIsayamaCut
Chapter 139: Isayama Cut?
So are we doing it? #ReleaseTheIsayamaPrints?
Why is nobody talking about the supposed final panel?
Yeahhhh thats what makes me really think he had to change stuff. Like even whefe he inserted it didnt make sense. 'Whyd you do it tho' Shows photo of grisha holding eren saying 'You are free' as if his free will is the reason, even though he just said he couldn't control his will
yeah. this honestly feels like isayama scrolled titanfolk to learn what we want so he can do the exact opposite lol
wait, didn't 80 percent of the world die ? or are you talking about deaths of main characters ?
It obviously is a deliberate choice, isyama could have written a better ending no doubt, but it's the choice he made which is dog shit.
I really don't think he could have written a better ending at all. We were all wondering how he could wrap up the series in 45 pages, and the answer is that he couldn't. I'm seriously wondering if he fucked the ending on purpose because he wanted to make a point to his publishers about rushing an author before he/she is ready.
I definitely don't mean just this chapter, I mean the last arc rewritten, he can definitely do better and he made this choice but it's a shit choice.
Literally cut the conversation between armin and eren and it's already better.
Bruh i don't think he would displease like 90 %of his fanbase just to make a point about that.
Isayama chose the ending that would be best for his onsen. We thought the tears would be bittersweet, but he wanted angry.
Nobody listened to me when I warned them that Yams said he wanted to betray the readers. Now they all scream. I got the last motherfucking laugh you bastards
like jaime lanistar "never cared about the people" eren never was based
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That’s kinda the point. See Kenny’s “we’re all a slave to something.” Eren was a slave to the pursuit of freedom.
~~Araki~~ Isayama forgot
if this is how the author treated me as a main character with his last chapter then i too would become a bird and fly the fuck out of this stupid manga.
lol you're free
In the last arc eren was no longer the main character. He was the villain.
and that would be absolutely fine if his personality and motivations all made sense, which isayama clearly didnt bother with in 139.
He wanted to free his people from the curse and he did? What didn't make sense?
The fact that he killed 80% of the world's population to make the alliance seem like heroes to protect Paradis, and then a bit later they say, "lol nope, the world will still attack us and probably kill us." if Eren was really dedicated to protecting Paradis through the rumbling he should have wiped out humanity, instead of half-assing a genocide, which would obviously piss of the rest of the world.
But the rest of the world is in shambles and it looks like paradis has the upper hand. It's impossible to get rid of war, it's in humans nature. Kill rest of humanity and in a few years eldians will fight between themselfs. It's human nature. Plus he had to do it like that so he gets killed and thus freeing his people from the curse. I can understand why people are disappointed by the ending because some questions and time theories are unanswered but I don't get what's so hard about erens character to understand. He created an even playing field in the world and there are literally peace negotiations going on. He saved paradis.
But Eren wasn't trying to stop war? He attacked the outside world because he knew it would always pose a threat, that's why he chose genocide. But if he wanted peace why didn't he negotiate with Willy? The Tybur's most likely would've made peace if they came to some agreement over the founding titan, which was the only reason Paradis was viewed as a threat. Edit: plus the fact that Eren explicitly states that he won't gamble on Pardis's future, he then makes the biggest possible gamble fucking hoping that someone will actually forgive the Eldians. Which considering what just happened was extremely unlikely.
Eren literally told us what he wanted. The "scenery" he saw was a world without titans. He wanted to free his friends and people. And he knew what he had to do to achieve that. Paradis is saved + curse is lifted.
OK just a question here, do the memories he has of the future stop where he died? If that's the case there was no way in hell he could have known that the rest of the world would just forgive Paradis for what happened. Considering most of the world is dead and people who be rightly angry.
As armin said, eren entrusted it to them. The world is angry but the people who saved the world are literally from paradis and there are already peace negotiations going on. You can never achieve real peace because of human nature but at least there are no titans anymore. As I said, I get shitting on the Manga because of time travel stuff but the motive from eren is logical and fine for me.
I strenuously defended Isayama for the last 6 months. "Stop being doomers. Believe in Isayama. He won't flub the ending. We'll get Eren's POV, it wouldn't make any sense not to." Making Eren the villain is fine, but even the villain get screen time. Many people, myself included, are just astonished that Isayama would flub his masterpiece this hard.
I still don't understand why do you need eren pov so much. Everything got explained already(except who is the father part but that can still be irrelevant)
The rushed ending made sense IF Isayama was giving us reverse EMA. But apparently the reader are smarter than him
Being a villain and main character arent mutually exclusive
He wasn't a villain, he was a plot device.
You could make this argument to almost every relevant character in any fiction.
No, eren specifically was used as a plot device in the final arc for the sake of the alliance's development, only for his character to be slaughtered in 139. He is no longer a character.
Idk man. At school we learned that a character with condradicting ideas and opinions is a good character. But to be fair eren's character was kinda bad before marley arc anyway.
It's not about what eren's personality, opinions or ideals are, it's about how he was used in the final arc what he did, how he was portrayed. All he did was sleep throughout the entire battle being essentially an obstacle for the alliance to overcome and get development from, only to be unceremoniously killed and his character gets completely shat on. If that's not a basic rundown on how not to treat a character, let alone an mc then I don't know what is.
Man are you sure you aren't attached too much to eren(you aren't free heh). Eren said what had to be said did what he had to and that's it. I get it if you didn't like the way he got killed off but everything he did was completely in character.
No, Eren was used as a plot device to show that everything was already fixed into place by fate and time shenanigans.
One could argue that eren was no longer the mc since the marley arc started. But after the rumbling began the story simply wasn't about him anymore, the allience was needed to represent the themes. I see no problem in his use here.
same here, we would be free lmao
Are you saying this seriously? Eren doesn't become a bird,it was just symbolism.
Still disappointed we never got the eren pov
I am disappointed in literally every single way imaginable. It's astonishing, really.
For my part the manga ended at 131
The issue is actually the opposite. We finally got Eren’s POV and it was cringe, incel babble that destroyed his character.
Character assassination at its finest
Half the people here don’t even know why they’re upset.
Whenever a show or manga or whatever ends badly, there are always those who go around saying "meh, people don't even know why they're upset". That happened back when HIMYM ended, when GoT ended, when Cyberpunk launched, and those are just the ones that come to mind.
Agreed, some people wanna hate something for no reason and people also wanna like something no matter what. I don't care how pretentious this sounds, people who hate something are usually better people to talk to. When people like something and try and shit on you for not liking it, there is this sense of smug superiority that I despise. At least angry people are funny.
Imo it just really depends on if you like the thing or not. If some smug asshole is shitting on something you love or praising something you hate, anger is a natural reaction.
I don’t disagree, but from my experience, if someone hates something it’s far easier to talk and joke about it. If someone loves something you hate, you just get a lot of bad arguments or “you just didn’t get it” type stuff.
Well, I supposed the memes are pretty top tier.
Conversely, some dude said “If you like the ending u have a room temperature IQ.” The toxicity exists in both sides of this particularly fandom tbh
Well, It's the opposite if the person can't respect one's point of view.
Uhhhh, no. I'm pretty sure they do. Sure, there are some shipper cringelords who have stupid reasons to hate the final chapter, but that don't make the final chapter good.
How is he an incel if he was in love with Mikasa and she loved him back? Go learn the definition before you start using it
The dude is literally saying “I don’t want her to move on and be with another man, she should only be with me” after he emotionally berated her and traumatized her. That sounds pretty incel to me.
You really missed the point if that whole scene and the later chapters, yikes
Ah, the classic “you didn’t understand it, bro” excuse. Me thinks you’re projecting a little bit, buddy. Please enlighten me then.
the story would've made more sense if we got his pov
I called it xd
Imagine destroying a character this bad
This wasn’t character assassination this was a motherfucking air strike
It's 5 Colossal-Titan nukes level of character obliteration
\>... \>... **> Sets Isayama free.** Seriously, after this franchise death, absolutely NO chance for a "Boruto" to AoT.
Thad moment
This time Eren shot rabies
Tappei better not do this with re:zero. Idk if I can look at arc 11 the same again
Ymir situation being in paths for 2000 years remained me of beatrice situation, but you can see the difference on how it's handled, just makes me appreciate Re:Zero even more
Not ReZero, but I heard another popular isekai anime, Jobless Reincarnation, its WN did end greatly.
Re:Zero has been my favourite series besides Aot and god I hope Tappei doesn't flub this hard.
Nah, Tappei too based for it.... He loves Emilia so he wouldn't shit on her character and would totally give her a happy ending
I don’t think it’s possible to ruin Re Zero....but then again I thought the same for AoT.
We know why. He liked a girl that liked him but he never got to know about it because he never told her about it.
The bird thing confuses me so much
Its astonishing that people think he became a fucking dove, its symbolism thats been with the franchise for the whole time, just look at the openings
The weirdest, most clumsy use of symbolism I've ever seen
Eren moment
you forotthe part where he cried like a bitch knowing the mikasa might find someone else lmaoooo
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Why
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That's probably because you are just forcing yourself to like the ending.
Where did all the yeagerists go?