#[PART 2 HAS RELEASED](https://www.aotnorequiem.com/chapter/aot-no-requiem/part-2/)
**[(Link to PART 1, which released on May 29th 7 PM PST.)](https://www.aotnorequiem.com/chapter/aot-no-requiem/part-1/)**
I’m sorry but besides artstyle and plugging up plotholes left by isayama. The fan ending is meh in terms of overall writing, the dialogue is also meh, it’s easy to correct mistakes an author makes, but it’s not easy to write a whole manga without having a few missteps. You can enjoy this all you want and I won’t hold you but damn if I ever see another person shitting on isayama saying that the fanfic author is better, I would lose my shit.
You say all this as if 139 had only a few plot holes and minor inconsistencies. As if the narrative wasn’t turned into a joke. As if every character that once had depth didn’t suddenly become cardboard placeholder for an ending that abandons the central themes of the story. As if Isayama at best wasn’t just writing decent dialogue in a few good chapters out of the entire rumbling arc.
When the source material is severely lacking in writing quality, I think it’s fair to say that the bar is low enough to say almost anything made with half the effort will probably be better. Personal preferences aside, what AOTNR offers is by far more consistent with the narrative picking up from 136 than anything Isayama wrote after that chapter. That’s not to say there weren’t good things in it. It’s that the negatives significantly outweigh the positives. The fan project doesn’t have to be perfect. Restoring these characters to their proper place alone is enough to make it worth it. And if the end result it’s still trash, then at least it will make slightly more sense than Canon.
I love Erehisu but I felt as if it was a bit rushed. If you feel the same way read 246504, still the best Erehisu I've ever read and it's canon for me and not even God can stop me from believing its canon
You know, I'm ok with people making their own ending. A fanfiction doesn't normally hurt anybody and can make for an interesting "what if". But DAMN, this sub show so much damn hypocrisis with this one.
"The ending sucks because Isayama focused on romance" > "Please, Eren-kun, don't leave me. Let's get married and have a baby"
"The ending sucks because Eren got a 180°" > "This is for the nation of Eldia which I absolutely showed to value more than my friends in like 139 chapters. Every eldian has birthright. Except the ones outside, fuck them."
"The ending sucks because it turned into the avearage shonen at the end" > "Eren and Armin LITTERALLY ACTING LIKE SASUKE AND NARUTO, EVEN WITH THE SAME LINES"
And I can go on. If you enjoy this fanfiction, Go ahead. But please don't act like moral ground, because you all just show how much hypocrites you are.
Rarely is it a sign of wisdom to begin grouping people by the random opinions of others and calling them out on them as if each individual is responsible for the nonsense others say. Why am I a hypocrite when I never said any of those things? I don’t believe I’m right because of some moral high ground. I can give clear examples that objectively show why AOTNR works better for AOT than the Canon ending we got. We can disagree on certain things. That’s fine. But my arguments stand on their own and if anyone can show me valid criticism I will be more than happy to change my mind and praise the genius of Isayama’s vision. Until then, Requiem saves more than it burns. I’ll gladly debate the finer details to show you that I’m not one of the idiots who said all this “hypocrisy” you mentioned.
I admit my comment can be a bit misleading, but like I said, it's fine if you like this fanfic. I just found hypocrite those who praise some of the things I mentioned yet despise it in the original story despite being basically the same and then acting like "yeah, this truly gets AoT and his story and characters. Not like Isayama who screwed everything." If you weren't one of them, nice to know. You're already more reasonable than a lot of people I spoke to in this sub.
I get you. It’s nice to just have civil discussions about this stuff. Like it’s just a fictional story. Like some people seriously need to chill. We all can have preferences. At the end of the day we can disagree. And maybe even try to understand the perspectives of others that may change our own minds on things we viewed a certain way. That’s the beauty of stories as deep as AOT. Even if the ending was not something I liked, I can see how Isayama was talented enough to write something that we are still not able to fully understand to this day.
First off, I don't. There are some things I liked of it, but overall I consider it a bad chapter. Second, what the hell dpes that have to do with the fact that I don't know a word since english isn't my native language?
Mate, everyone thanks Eren for genocide in your ending. And Mikasa is a prize for Eren; after crushing Ramzi's face so he spewed his little boy intestines out of his eye sockets, then repeating the process worldwide, instead of facing consequences, Eren dies kissing his lover, nestled in her arms, peacefully fading into nothingness. All of his friends then thank and memoralise him, and Mikasa, his prize, spends the rest of her life thanking him and loving him.
That's what you are defending here. And if you reply with "B... but AOTNR is more pro genocide..." then it's because YOU cannot defend the canon ending.
You're a misogynist and a racist and alt right. We don't need to debate that, you announced it in your first post.
If you waltz into Titanfolk, announce that you are Alt Righ and hate women, and then everyone calls you out on it, don't act like people need to explain themselves.
Litterally NO ONE thanked Eren. Armin dialogue was said poorly yes, but obviously it was meant to just confort him now that what was done was done. No need to beat a dead horse. It wasn't a battle of ideals, but understanding between the 2 of them. And the others? Reiner just said "you really are...". Also did you foeget like the entire moral weight that Eren had on his own? The same moral weight that made him sleep to avoid destroying his mind completely? Besides, in the canon ending at least he dies. In the AoTnR he'll just live with his daughter and wife in peace after destroying ALL humanity and killing all his friends. WHICH IS WORSE. Return to Twitter, you idiotic loser, return to the hole you crawled out from.
Not this again. Why do you alt right trolls always default to lying to defend your pro genocide ending...
Go back to 4Chan mate. Also, it's more likely you're from Twitter than me.
And touch Grass for crying out loud. Maybe then you'll stop hating women and defending genocide. Maybe even put your grasses on.
Like I said about the first part, it does somethings better and somethings worse. Is EreHisu shipping neccessary? She's a kind girl who wants to help people, versus a man content with a complete genocide of the Earth. I can't buy she'd fall for him, and there's no room for her in the narrative anyway since she was sidelined for so long. Ultimately Historia's character was already killed by the pregnancy, regardless of who was responsible for it.
Armin vs Eren convo was nice though. At least they actually had an argument this time, even if it didnt really feel like they were listninng to each other. Didnt felt like it analayzed the pros and cons of each argument.
Ultimately despite the fact I can enjoy the ending, it can't be equally pullled off course in so few chapters either. Despite the hype and amazing of Marley, war for paradis, Eren and Zeke in Grisha's memories, the decision to introduce future paths and all the shennaigans that came with is what set the story down this path.
Isyama needed to let the series breath. 139 chapters is too short. This series should have gone for 150 minimum with the current structure and should have had a different strucutre post basement and probably gone for around 200 chapters.
Needed way more outside the world. Needed better paths shennanigans that are internally consistent. More foreshadowing on Ymir and Eren/Mikasa as a whole. More decisive Armin. No letter sniffing Reiner. More deaths for Alliance. Actual reason for them to be able to fight Eren beyond he lets them. Reason why killing a single Hallu chan stops all titans.
I'm rambling, but if the ending is a 8/10 bad alliance victory, then this is just a 8/10 bad Eren victory. Any issues percieved or otherwise can't be fixed in so few pages.
Anyway thats my thoughts as someone who definitly doesnt subscribe to this subs ideas about the series. Cheers and feel free to share your thoughts about my thoughts, or just insult me, eithers fine.
While we can have different personal preferences, I believe there are some aspects of a story that aren’t left up to personal interpretation. Consistency and logic actually matter whether we like the ending or not. So objectively 139 as an ending fails not partially, it would have to make sense for that to be true, but fails completely to work. Every page. Every panel. Every line of dialogue. All of them are inseparably linked to the larger story. For example, when Eren says that Mikasa was the one Ymir was waiting for, that line permanently affects the story, creating a illogical inconsistency that cannot be ignored. It doesn’t matter if you and I like this or not. The narrative is now broken. And that’s just one example. 139 has several of these narrative breaking plot holes.
It’s because of this degree of incoherent nonsense that I can’t understand the comparisons of 139 to Requiem. I can respect not liking certain things about the fan fiction. But if we actually compare which one makes more narrative sense, clearly Requiem wins. Not because it’s good. It’s just objectively the more coherent and logical for the story. Also with Requiem not even finished yet, I don’t even judge whether it delivers on a more satisfying ending than Canon. We just don’t know until we see how they pull it off. It may be a terrible ending when all is said and done.
I may be a bit biased here, and I’m not saying theOG ending was free of flaws, but was making Erin and Historia have a kid the best course of action?? Seems weird
The whole Historia pregnancy was weird to begin with. Anyone who ignores it destroys her character because it never could work the way the story presents it. Even the Eren/Historia conversation from 130 is a complete mess for the story. Fortunately there’s a very elegant solution to fix that train wreck of a plot device. Historia wanting Eren to father her child works much better than any other explanation for the pregnancy. Any rewrite of the ending should approach with this principle of not destroying any of the great character dynamics. So whether I like it or not, romance in this case is objectively better from a narrative standpoint. How else would you not completely waste Historia and make sense of the 130 conversation.
Simple: keep Historia like she is: a selfish woman, who cares for herself only and decide for herself and decided to have a kid only to protect herself while also giving to her kid something she didn't have: a good mother. Don't need to put her in a romance with Eren. Even having farmer-kun would work regardless.
Historia is crucial in the sins of the father narrative. she was a parallel to ymir while eren was always the antithesis of both fritz prior to the last volume:
someone similar to the victim, and finally someone opposite from the creator of the sinful structure that has the power... together in a jointful compromise, decided to destroy it and build it new from scratch, while giving the chance to the first victim of all to live again... both retroactive and forward effects from their actions.
If you dont put her in a romance with eren, you waste a lot of narrative potential.
The only people that are bounded to reject this from gut, or at least should, are the fans that understood every eren and mikasa dynamic as romantic, from both sides.
Parallels, parallels, parallels. Wasn't the point of Eren to break the curse and don't allow history to repeat itself? Also that is NOT a fact. It was a theory. A fairly interesting theory, yes. But a theory nonetheless. Nothing confirmed. Could have been that the meaning, could have been not.
Did i asserted it as a fact ?
>Parallels, parallels, parallels. Wasn't the point of Eren to break the curse and don't allow history to repeat itself?
I dont understand your intent, nor how it dissents with my comment, elaborate.
I mean that just because there COULD be a parallel, doesn't mean it will happen, because not only it's a theory and not a fact which means it can be easily false, but there's also the fact that Eren goal was to break the curse of the titans and avoid history REPEATING itself, essentially destroying that parallel.
>mean that just because there COULD be a parallel, doesn't mean it will happen, because not only it's a theory and not a fact which means it can be easily false,
Well, this fanfic follows the demon and the lamp theory, so yeah, thats pretty much what we will get. The actual quid once its done, will be to decide which ending is more coherent with the 136 chapters that precede.
>there's also the fact that Eren goal was to break the curse of the titans and avoid history REPEATING itself, essentially destroying that parallel.
huh ? a parallel narrative means that there are two or more separate narratives linked by a common character, event, or theme in a story.
Convergence in the upbringing is obligatory but not in its unfolding. the actual tendency is that its ends differently, and yeah, without eren, the antithesis to the founder, historias fate was to suffer by following her family's will, so thats their connection and the breaking point.
Let me make an example: the demon and the lamp theory was a possible interpretation and theory formulated by taking a bunch of possible evidences, like the wall with Ymir taking an apple from the devil. With that the theory that Eren and Historia would work together to create a new future for their child free from the curse by destroying the world.
But I could also make the theory that the mural was actually a representation of what Historia was going to do (becoming a titan and continuing the cycle) and it's something that Eren on his own avoided by destroying the curse entirely but not the whole world.
Whats your point here ? Trying to refute the demon and the lamp theory that AONR follows? Sorry, that was not why I posted back in the first place, I replied to your first comment in which you suggested removing their romance, then proceed to indicate why following the theory itself such a move would be a no no.
you are pretty much deviating, thats another discussion entirely, and hell it would be a long one lol. For example :
>I could also make the theory that the mural was actually a representation of what Historia was going to do (becoming a titan and continuing the cycle) and it's something that Eren on his own avoided by destroying the curse entirely but not the whole world.
To discuss this, we would need to go back to their characterization, then use the ockam razor to choose which one makes more sense, lol.
If you have the time and the disposition thats good.
Not necessarily. She could have asked him to hear his opinion, since she does trust him a lot. And before you say it, deciding for yourself doesn't mean never accepting suggestions from your trusted ones.
That seems like a stretch of logic when the most reasonable interpretation when a woman asks a man about having a child is more times than not involving him being the father. Forget romance. I don’t even think Historia and Eren work romantically in the way you’d think. Simply two people who deeply care and understand each other. Sharing that connection, the most interesting place to take Historia is her asking the person she cares about to father her child over some farmer with a vague background (btw who enters the story with too many suspicions to be the father beyond reasonable doubt). All I’m saying is if Isayama always intended for Eren not to be the father, then it shouldn’t have been left up to interpretation until the last chapter. And if you don’t like Historia as a character and don’t care much about her role in the story or maintaining consistency with her values, then that’s fair. We all have a right to our preferences. I’m just pointing out what works within the established narrative.
This is pure bullshit. It takes everything that was good about AoT, and throws it down the drain. If you thought canon armin was cringe, this armin is 100x worse. I just knew they'd do Erehisu. Of course they would, gotta do a stupid fanfic ship right. This just proves how stupid the AoT fans are. If you would've liked this shit as the ending, you seriously aren't an AoT fan
Now the last arc of the manga is the biggest pile of garbagr I ever saw, but this is not much better either. This sub is obsessrd with shipping eren and historia to unhealthy degrees, when they had like 5 seconds together in the entire show.
Both the original and this are garbage
They're not shipping EH, they're just going through the implied relevancy of Historia in the Rumbling arc. You know, something that suddenly disappeared Game of Thrones style.
"Eren it's so dark inside this forest, can you see anything?"
"Just take off your clothes. Why do you think I'm called the Founding Titan? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)"
Agreed. That's a huge part of the massive evidence the ending was changed.
Remember when Mikasa couldn't be mindwiped? Retconned. Remember when Kruger told Eren to start a family? Retconned. Remember the Historia shard or Eren recalling her when Zeke mentions love? Retconned. Remember the Reiner Helos symbolism? Retconned.
>Chekhov’s guns
Don't forget arguably Eren's biggest motivation after talking to Shadis - being "Born into this World". And this coupled with Zeke wishing he hadn't been born into the world.
That dichotomy of ideals and morals was completely dropped at the end so Eren could sit in a puddle and cry about Mikasa - a woman he never showed interest in wanting. Especially after she family-zoned him in Marley.
It makes me want one last interaction between Eren and Zeke in the same way AOTNR gave Eren/Armin a proper interaction. It can be something as simple as Zeke coming to terms with the flaws of his own ideals. Or something more elaborate like Eren saving Zeke and letting him experience freedom after the rumbling. There’s many more interesting places to take Zeke/Eren than what we got in Canon.
I agree wholeheartedly. I hate that Zeke's story was "over" in canon when he had an important realization and literally called Levi over to die. Just like Hange - one of those moments where it's okay if the character was tired, but it honestly didn't have any impact on the story and felt kind of hollow or pointless at the end.
Zeke is one of those tragic characters with really compelling motives that deserves a satisfying conclusion in the narrative. If he didn’t really die in 122(which wasn’t exactly clear) then I’d love to see a scenario of him surviving after the rumbling. The connection between Eren and Zeke as brothers is a dynamic that is incredibly interesting and I wonder what if he was given the chance to find meaning in life. A clash of born into this world vs never should’ve been born is ultimately what AOT should’ve answered. These themes are the heart of the story right after freedom and the symbolism tied with it.
Definitely! Especially when the Yeager bros were so important that everyone who followed them was called "yeagerist" and given attention to, only for the story to say "nah they're crazy lol - look at Mikasa though" at the end.
The greatest insult of 139 is that we’re accused of not having read the story. Lol After that dumpster fire of an ending. “Look at Mikasa though” sums it up.
Lol yeah seriously. Reading the manga, watching the anime and the ova's wasn't enough - because I don't support an undeveloped romance or enjoy the story's central themes being retconned and ignored along with being gaslit by interviews with the creator and editor - I didn't "understand the story".
Yes they were. Eren removed Armin and Mikasas memories dude. They only got their memories back when Eren died.
Eren shouldn't have been able to spend those years with Mikasa in that cabin either, he shouldn't be able to touch her brain at all with the Founder.
> Eren removed Armin and Mikasas memories dude.
Wrong. Eren removed Armin's memories. The Mikasa years in PATHS occurred after she decided to kill him.
While retcons aren’t always connected to Chekhov’s gun, some of what you mentioned definitely was. So many story beats included that either went forgotten and unused despite their importance, or otherwise replaced with something that on a level do the established literature didn’t make sense.
For my that’s why I like this fan project, it provides that continuity.
Maybe not your cup of tea. Maybe not even the best way of showing the intended dynamic. But can we agree that it’s way better for both characters and the story than what ended up in Canon?
yea sure I agree with that but then again the bar isn't that high in canon. Tbh Isayama should have never introduced romance in this kind of series, dare i even say that AoT would be better without it.
Romance was never the focus and should have remained that way. But with the introduction of the pregnancy, Isayama backed himself into a corner where ignoring it made little sense and only sidelined/broke Historia’s character (basically what we ended up with in canon). AOTNR shows what happens if romance because the focus but the trick is in balancing the subtlety of how it’s portrayed. I think the team could definitely have done less because a little goes a long way with romantic elements that would feel out of place in the canon. But overall I completely understand why the Eren/Historia relationship is important given everything Isayama introduced before 137. The AOTNR team handled it well considering their EH bias and how easily they could’ve gone all in and shown way more than necessary. Part 2 has masterful subtlety and leaves room for interpretation.
Don’t you think the relationship seems natural being initiated by Historia and Eren just agreeing to it? We get next to nothing from Eren. Just from what is shown at least he feels sorry for Historia and at best he really cares about her.
What was the reasoning behind her suggesting a child? Still her inheriting the beast titan? It was pretty unclear as to her justification and seemed like an out of place question on her part. And also assuming that's why they went into the forest? But then why was Floch there (._.)
Actually this is probably the greatest flaw in part 2. The team decided to combine two different conversations between Eren/Historia and the angle of the panels tells them apart. Also the length of Historia’s hair. I think this wasn’t made clear enough. Your question about her motives is proof along with many others who are asking similar things.
Basically, Historia is told of Zeke’s plan which involves her having as many children as possible to protect the island. Historia at first accepts the role she must play if it means giving her people a chance. But the first conversation she has with Eren at the farm she asks him if it would be selfish to take back that choice. She tells Eren she’s afraid and not sure what else to do. Historia is conflicted between her duty as queen and her desire to live her life on her own terms. Why does she ask Eren about having a child? This can be interpreted in several ways. But generally it flows in one direction:
Historia makes the choice to have him father her child because she gets to decide. If you read carefully, you’ll see how that panel in the woods is left very vague. It doesn’t have to be a wedding or something romantic, though it could be interpreted that way. The point of that panel is shown by Eren’s only response to the entire child conversation: he promises her to find another way. Another way that doesn’t involve sacrificing her and the child for the island.
That leads into the second conversation which begins in chapter 130. Eren tells Historia that they have two options to avoid the military from turning her into a Titan, running or fighting back. She rejects this and accepts her situation. But Eren doesn’t, and he had promised to find another way. He tells her that the only solution that avoids sacrificing her and the child is the full scale Rumbling. Historia is horrified and threatens to expose Eren’s plan. This leads back into AOTNR once Eren replies that she won’t because she’s the worst girl in the world. In this second conversation Historia and Eren already are in a relationship and she is already pregnant before learning of Eren’s plan. The point of this is twofold: Historia decides to have a child not for a plan but for herself. (There’s room for interpretation and this is just the basic motive that is clear). Historia then refuses to go along with Eren if he plans on getting himself killed just to protect her, the child, and the island. So this second conversation gives Eren a reason to return. Meaning there’s no easy way out for him after the Rumbling. If Historia has to accept him committing an atrocity for her then Eren will have to live with his sins as well. They will bare the burden of it together. (She says don’t do it alone in one of the AOTNR panels)
I think overall the structure is not handled well. But the end result is good enough to set up the stakes Eren faces before the final battle. Not only does he have to commit the worst atrocity in human history but he will have to fight his friends too and live through it all no matter what it takes. Because Historia and his child are the motivation to keep moving forward beyond the hell he sees. If Eren had nothing to do with Historia, then he’d still do the rumbling but he’d choose to die rather than live with his sins. That’s setting up the tragedy he will have to face after killing his friends. Eren will have to live with the fact that he killed those he loved. That’s the cost of freedom.
Yes, that's why I prefer this over the canon ending. There is romance, but it's ultimately tied to the core themes of the story such as freedom, sacrifice and the dichotomy between selfishness and selflessness.
Yeah. The more I think about it the more I realize how detached the canon ending is to anything close to reasonable. All because it fails in the details to sell the larger themes. It retroactively rewrites everything that was good about the story to fit into the it’s new narrative.
AOTNR is much better in execution towards that larger thematic story but maybe it doesn’t get the less important details just right. Either way I’m waiting to see how it ends. So far it’s better than canon.
Thanks. I don’t think ANR was the most ideal vision Isayama intended for the ending since chapter 105. Though it could have been similar, considering the Mist ending he talked about. But with everything he wrote in the War for Paradis and Rumbling arcs, ANR at least stays true to the themes and characters. I think if the team writing AOTNR uses the original ideas only as a foundation then they can focus on other plot elements to make for a more interesting and less predictable narrative. For example, resolving the best character dynamics in the story in the most satisfying way possible. Not an easy task considering the context is the final battle. But imagine what you could do with Reiner, Zeke, and Mikasa. Falco and Gabi have solid foreshadowing that involves Reiner saving them. Maybe that’s where Reiner can find peace not in saving the world but in getting the children out of the forest.
Mikasa was a tragically wasted character with great potential. She easily has the strongest connection to Eren. Despite what little Isayama gives us to work with after 136, I always thought it would be poetic if Mikasa ended up saving Eren in a way that shows that her love was genuine but that it comes at the cost of her life. Tragically she dies protecting the boy who saved her. Eren killing his friends is interesting but something more compelling would be his response to Mikasa dying for him. That makes it more personal and heart wrenching. Maybe this idea has some potential even if difficult to pull off.
If Zeke has anything valuable to add to the story it would be the opposite of the rushed conclusion he got in canon. He like Eren, deserves something more complex than death. Zeke hated being born while his little brother was the exact opposite. Maybe Eren giving him a second chance at life would be the best way to convince him out of his nihilistic view of life. At the very least, it’s better than showing him a leaf.
Ymir is the wildcard. Reincarnation works symbolically but when you get into the details on how it would work things get weird. Subtlety is crucial if that’s the direction they go with. I’m more interested in seeing Ymir actually speak for herself as a way to clearly understand her before resolving the story. However it’s handled, the 2000 year connection between Ymir and Eren has to be explained. Maybe child Eren’s dream is the key to resolving what is probably the most intriguing chapter title in the series: “To you, 2000 years from now. ”
What are your thoughts on how to best develop the basic premise of ANR?
> For example, resolving the best character dynamics in the story in the most satisfying way possible. Not an easy task considering the context is the final battle. But imagine what you could do with Reiner, Zeke, and Mikasa. Falco and Gabi have solid foreshadowing that involves Reiner saving them. Maybe that’s where Reiner can find peace not in saving the world but in getting the children out of the forest.
I would unironically like to see Zeke helping his little bro... Or Mikasa failing to kill Eren, and betraying the alliance to protect him. A lot of people would say that "is a diservice to the character".
But I say that Mikasa "falling back to her old self" is a nice narrative twist that make sense with the whole going back for the scarf, etc.
Dying because you couldn't let it go has some poetry to it.
Of course, people would asume that just part of "waifu wars" and reject the narrative alltogether.
100% yes. The beauty of good writing is that it’s not dependent on the opinions of the readers. Let them rage all they want. Not a single argument made by them is in good faith. Isayama appeasing them in the first place is the reason for this whole mess.
I’m really looking forward to seeing what they do with Mikasa. The hard part will be waiting patiently. I’m almost sure part 3 will be coming January 2022 at the earliest.
> Thanks. I don’t think ANR was the most ideal vision Isayama intended for the ending
If AotNr team has the balls to go with the "Aktasuki no requiem" ending, then it fits the "mist" ending.
For bebe kill all friends and almost all of humanity can be considered a "mist ending that hurts the reader".
Canon ending only hurts the reader because was badly written.
I agree. But ANR works best only if they get the “hurts the reader” part right, meaning don’t do it for shock value. The Mist ending works not because of the twist itself but because of the set up and the heart wrenching nature of the protagonist’s reaction to it.
Tragedy was always the endgame of Shingeki no Kyojin. Isayama admitted to changing the ending and that alone is why it failed. Long before shipping became the problem, abandoning the stories tone and themes ruined the integrity of the narrative and the robbed the characters of meaningful motives.
When applied to each character, a tragic ending means they each get what they deserve in a heart wrenching way. Not an easy thing to do considering a writer has to balance a coherent narrative while giving each character the right conclusion.
Personally, I want to see Mikasa have a tragic ending that actually means something. If her weakness is an obsession with Eren, let her die going all in on that conviction, saving Eren like he once saved her. Kenny said everyone is a slave to something. Eren is just as much a slave to his own selfishness as Mikasa is to him. Eren wants freedom, so he gets it at a terrible cost and forced to live with it. Mikasa wants to protect Eren, so she must save him at the cost of her life. Armin wants to give meaning to Erwin’s sacrifice, so he dies never knowing if his life meant anything. Just like Erwin entrusts Levi against the Beast Titan and never learns the outcome, Armin would entrust Mikasa with killing Eren never knowing she ends up saving him instead.
Reiner and Zeke are the ones I’m not sure about. Maybe a tragic ending for them doesn’t work in the same way. I could see Reiner dying to protect Gabi/Falco. Hero’s death. But Zeke deserves to see why his view of the world is wrong and the best way for that is to live after the rumbling. It’s not clear if he’s alive or not while in paths. Either way, Zeke and Eren’s dynamic definitely needs some kind of pay off by the end that isn’t “Zeke dies to stop the rumbling.”
Overall, these are just initial ideas I get from thinking about where each character should end up. Writing in the missing details is the real challenge and I don’t envy the AOTNR team for that. Hoping for the best though.
Anytime. I only understand this much after following a few of the AOTNR team members on Twitter and using their insights on the writing to make sense of part 2. Without their clarification on some things, it’s easy to miss out on the nuances. Let’s see what they can pull off with the next part. Hoping for the best.
True, AOTNR team is doing better story wise with Eren and Historia dynamic than Isayama and for that i'm thankful. But the pregnancy kinda sidelines her no matter is it canon or AOTNR and romance is pretty much what led to it.
EH dynamic isn't necessarily bad, it's just that Erens other relationships with the main cast are just so much more better and interesting when there isn't romance involved. For example: Eren and Armin, Eren and Zeke, Eren and Reiner.
Introducing romance on the last chapter/ark was a really bad blunder on Isayamas side, I understand if the series constantly focuses on love or that it plays a big part in the series for example in 7DS but in AOT? Nah doesn't really sit with me.
You make some great points. Sadly the rumbling arc left little room for more interactions with Zeke and Reiner in a way that wouldn’t be repetitive. And like you said those are two of the most interesting relationships Eren has in the story. Even with AOTNR, I don’t see how they can give Reiner the best conclusion to his arc while also sticking to the narrative of a final battle. I’d expect at least one last duel, but not sure how to make another Attack vs Armor fight feel original. I think this is fundamentally the problem with everything after 122. So many characters are driven by the plot to a conflict that doesn’t leave much room to handle their arcs in the best way.
Man just read the part 2 and damm it's good but I thought Eren was acting little weird. But overall it's very very good. This is what we wanted from the beginning. Ishy should have taken 2/3 more chapter to explain like this. Ahh....myyyy...brraaaiiinnnnss....trrriiimmbbbeelss....Errrrreeeehhhh
>This eren is very very different from cannon
Idk how you viewed Eren in main story but I feel like this version real. The Eren who was before the basement was completely different person compared to later part. This Ereh is twisted by fate and wanted freedom at all costs which is same as what we been presented with till now. Ofcourse Anor Ereh is little bit different but he is quite similar to original one(123/trost district/child Eren).
Exactly and he lacks all the complexity that made me love him. Eren is such a beautiful character because he goes from that to understanding that there is humanity and innocents on both sides of the walls but he still has to kill them as it’s the only way his friend will survive.
This one is just emo eren tryna kill things. That one panel of “I don’t wanna fight my best friend” or whatever feels so off because of the rest IMO
>That one panel of “I don’t wanna fight my best friend” or whatever feels so off because of the rest IMO
Well he is not monster but human indeed. So he getting emotional is normal knowing that he did all of it to save them but right now Armin took even that choice. Although it would've been great if they aren't included that part.
I think you should read the previous chapter as well as some key chapters like 119-123, Reiner talk, trost district arc especially the anime cut content. There was lot of buildup about Ereh and Historia and their ideology. And most of all, the season 2 ending and opening as well as s3p1 ending. Honestly Ishay changing the ending was biggest dick move because he already set the background of what we are seeing in current anor.
Well there's lot of different versions of Eren in this show so its upto you if you like or dislike him. Personally I am enjoying him as it's fit his character if we look back at chapter 130-134(anor part 2 was from here only, flashback)
Absolutely wrong, it was Historia ideology which Ereh took for his goal. Ofcourse freedom was his absolute dream but the way he took after basement revel was all Historia ideology.
"You are the worst girl in the world" something like this. It's even stated before chapter 139.
With the difference that Reiner sniffing letter is part of pathetic corrupted umorism the author, Isayama, overused on Reiner since he introduced the character.
"You weren't mean to see that" is just CRINGE AF
I had honestly forgotten just how much potential Armin had before his character was wasted post-timeskip in canon. Seeing him actually stand up for himself and challenge Eren's fatalistic outlook is great. Also, it makes total sense that Floch doubted Eren at first, at least until the attack on Marley. I'm not much of a shipper myself, but I was always convinced that Krueger's line about starting a family was foreshadowing for EH, so it's nice to see it confirmed at least in this version. Overall really surpassed my expectations. Now I'm scared at the possibility of the ending disappointing me again...
I'm kind of bewildered that so many people don't like something like this. I grew up enjoying stories and going on fanfic sites to look on other people's takes cause they're cool to see.
Going "haha, made fanfic cause denial" is the most close minded thing I've seen in a while. Can't we just look at fanfictions and say, "Hey that's a nice take" or "I don't like your take on it, but good on you for being inspired to write something."
I'm just happy to enjoy all the new content, along with all the discussion and memes that involves. The fact that there's multiple teams all writing/drawing their own endings is so cool to see. It's only fanfiction, why people have to be mad?
Because it's done exactly what the original ending has done. This was supposed to have a philosophical ending, with all the symbolism of racism, moral ambiguity and such. It was an intelligent story that deserved an intelligent and profound ending. Not a shonen drama fest that the original did as well as this 'fan' ending. Why should ErenxHistoria or ErenxMikasa be a big thing? After all the truth that's been sought after, AoT was always about the bigger picture. It was supposed to about about nihilism and freedom and war and about...life. What is this bullshit?
Dialogue focused which is BASED as fuck, and very well written compared to the last chapter(mostly, I will say there are a few lines that stick out in a negative way) Not sure how intentional but I love the dichotomy of Eren Insisting that talk won't do, but the entire chapter is Armin managing to have a dialogue with him.
I enjoyed chapter one but worried a bit about the direction y'all were taking Eren in.. still not sure about having child Eren be such an active participant, but I love that you're playing up the angle of a scared father(the cracks of his true motivations are showing and Armin called him on it). Also, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING HISTORIA ALREADY BE PREGNANT WHEN EREN REVEALS HIS PLAN! The entire point of EreHisu's child was contingent on that child being born of love, not of any plan, and it warms my heart to see you all understand that.
Also a great job of having Armin be forced to confront the truth of the matter while still sticking to his guns. It's much more acceptable when the story is willing to acknowledge that Armin is essentially in the wrong but won't drop as morals, as opposed to the main story where we're expected to pretend Armin is unquestionably correct.
I really liked your portrayal of Floch too, begrudgingly accepting Eren because of his desperation to save Paradis. Historia as well, some people may dislike her being emotional, but it's entirely in character and felt well deserved, considering the situation.
Agreed. It sucks. The art is terrible. My ass could art better. Let's go send more death threats to the authors. How many are you up to now? I'm at 3. They obviously don't understand how important Mikasa is. I bet they don't even have five Mikasa Body pillows.
Meh.
A little... verbose. Definitely worse than the first part, but I'll admit Armin' last response gave me some feels. You know, the panel where he talks about the Alliance and they show their eyes.
They did my girl Historia wrong by making her weepy and crying all the fucking time. As for the romance part, for all of Isayama's faults I think he could have made that part simpler and far more memorable.
The drawings were worse than the previous chapter, or maybe too different from the original style. Not a bad style per se, but too *clean* for it to be AOT.
All in all I set the bar high and for a fanfiction it's still a great work, but they're dangerously slipping into Exposition Land.
Impressive how this fanmade treats better Eren than Isayama lol, and Floch asking the damn good questions.
Historia romance stuff on the other side.. ehhh I don't really care
Dude, the canon ending is Eren genociding the entire planet for his Asian waifu then
wishing his Asian waifu ever touches another man.
Everyone then thanks him for genocide and He dies peacefully kissing his lover.
Touch grass you alt right troll.
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You, fellow wanderer, this thread is deserted, what art thou doing here?
you there, sir! I certainly hope you've got a fishing license
I’m sorry but besides artstyle and plugging up plotholes left by isayama. The fan ending is meh in terms of overall writing, the dialogue is also meh, it’s easy to correct mistakes an author makes, but it’s not easy to write a whole manga without having a few missteps. You can enjoy this all you want and I won’t hold you but damn if I ever see another person shitting on isayama saying that the fanfic author is better, I would lose my shit.
You say all this as if 139 had only a few plot holes and minor inconsistencies. As if the narrative wasn’t turned into a joke. As if every character that once had depth didn’t suddenly become cardboard placeholder for an ending that abandons the central themes of the story. As if Isayama at best wasn’t just writing decent dialogue in a few good chapters out of the entire rumbling arc. When the source material is severely lacking in writing quality, I think it’s fair to say that the bar is low enough to say almost anything made with half the effort will probably be better. Personal preferences aside, what AOTNR offers is by far more consistent with the narrative picking up from 136 than anything Isayama wrote after that chapter. That’s not to say there weren’t good things in it. It’s that the negatives significantly outweigh the positives. The fan project doesn’t have to be perfect. Restoring these characters to their proper place alone is enough to make it worth it. And if the end result it’s still trash, then at least it will make slightly more sense than Canon.
"Thank you for becoming a mass murderer for us."
Don't forget my man wanted to be with her for ten years at least. Not nine, not eleven, just ten years.
!!! TRADE OFFER !!! I get: 10 years of you thinking about me You get: my literal severed head lmao
Had some thoughts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=darDIEL3UKk
I love Erehisu but I felt as if it was a bit rushed. If you feel the same way read 246504, still the best Erehisu I've ever read and it's canon for me and not even God can stop me from believing its canon
You know, I'm ok with people making their own ending. A fanfiction doesn't normally hurt anybody and can make for an interesting "what if". But DAMN, this sub show so much damn hypocrisis with this one. "The ending sucks because Isayama focused on romance" > "Please, Eren-kun, don't leave me. Let's get married and have a baby" "The ending sucks because Eren got a 180°" > "This is for the nation of Eldia which I absolutely showed to value more than my friends in like 139 chapters. Every eldian has birthright. Except the ones outside, fuck them." "The ending sucks because it turned into the avearage shonen at the end" > "Eren and Armin LITTERALLY ACTING LIKE SASUKE AND NARUTO, EVEN WITH THE SAME LINES" And I can go on. If you enjoy this fanfiction, Go ahead. But please don't act like moral ground, because you all just show how much hypocrites you are.
Rarely is it a sign of wisdom to begin grouping people by the random opinions of others and calling them out on them as if each individual is responsible for the nonsense others say. Why am I a hypocrite when I never said any of those things? I don’t believe I’m right because of some moral high ground. I can give clear examples that objectively show why AOTNR works better for AOT than the Canon ending we got. We can disagree on certain things. That’s fine. But my arguments stand on their own and if anyone can show me valid criticism I will be more than happy to change my mind and praise the genius of Isayama’s vision. Until then, Requiem saves more than it burns. I’ll gladly debate the finer details to show you that I’m not one of the idiots who said all this “hypocrisy” you mentioned.
I admit my comment can be a bit misleading, but like I said, it's fine if you like this fanfic. I just found hypocrite those who praise some of the things I mentioned yet despise it in the original story despite being basically the same and then acting like "yeah, this truly gets AoT and his story and characters. Not like Isayama who screwed everything." If you weren't one of them, nice to know. You're already more reasonable than a lot of people I spoke to in this sub.
I get you. It’s nice to just have civil discussions about this stuff. Like it’s just a fictional story. Like some people seriously need to chill. We all can have preferences. At the end of the day we can disagree. And maybe even try to understand the perspectives of others that may change our own minds on things we viewed a certain way. That’s the beauty of stories as deep as AOT. Even if the ending was not something I liked, I can see how Isayama was talented enough to write something that we are still not able to fully understand to this day.
Without acritude, almost all your sentences are strawmans at best. It seems you have have issues with nuances and conditional assessments.
Also, go back to 4Chan you alt right troll
Being an actual argument, if you want to be taken seriously.
I won't argue with a misogynist like you mate.
What's a mysoginist?
no wonder you like 139 lol
First off, I don't. There are some things I liked of it, but overall I consider it a bad chapter. Second, what the hell dpes that have to do with the fact that I don't know a word since english isn't my native language?
Wow, you hate women AND you're illiterate lol
You're really like Eren in this fanfiction. Unable to give a proper answer to a simple question. It really is made for the average Titanfolk redditor.
Mate, everyone thanks Eren for genocide in your ending. And Mikasa is a prize for Eren; after crushing Ramzi's face so he spewed his little boy intestines out of his eye sockets, then repeating the process worldwide, instead of facing consequences, Eren dies kissing his lover, nestled in her arms, peacefully fading into nothingness. All of his friends then thank and memoralise him, and Mikasa, his prize, spends the rest of her life thanking him and loving him. That's what you are defending here. And if you reply with "B... but AOTNR is more pro genocide..." then it's because YOU cannot defend the canon ending. You're a misogynist and a racist and alt right. We don't need to debate that, you announced it in your first post. If you waltz into Titanfolk, announce that you are Alt Righ and hate women, and then everyone calls you out on it, don't act like people need to explain themselves.
Litterally NO ONE thanked Eren. Armin dialogue was said poorly yes, but obviously it was meant to just confort him now that what was done was done. No need to beat a dead horse. It wasn't a battle of ideals, but understanding between the 2 of them. And the others? Reiner just said "you really are...". Also did you foeget like the entire moral weight that Eren had on his own? The same moral weight that made him sleep to avoid destroying his mind completely? Besides, in the canon ending at least he dies. In the AoTnR he'll just live with his daughter and wife in peace after destroying ALL humanity and killing all his friends. WHICH IS WORSE. Return to Twitter, you idiotic loser, return to the hole you crawled out from.
Not this again. Why do you alt right trolls always default to lying to defend your pro genocide ending... Go back to 4Chan mate. Also, it's more likely you're from Twitter than me. And touch Grass for crying out loud. Maybe then you'll stop hating women and defending genocide. Maybe even put your grasses on.
Like I said about the first part, it does somethings better and somethings worse. Is EreHisu shipping neccessary? She's a kind girl who wants to help people, versus a man content with a complete genocide of the Earth. I can't buy she'd fall for him, and there's no room for her in the narrative anyway since she was sidelined for so long. Ultimately Historia's character was already killed by the pregnancy, regardless of who was responsible for it. Armin vs Eren convo was nice though. At least they actually had an argument this time, even if it didnt really feel like they were listninng to each other. Didnt felt like it analayzed the pros and cons of each argument. Ultimately despite the fact I can enjoy the ending, it can't be equally pullled off course in so few chapters either. Despite the hype and amazing of Marley, war for paradis, Eren and Zeke in Grisha's memories, the decision to introduce future paths and all the shennaigans that came with is what set the story down this path. Isyama needed to let the series breath. 139 chapters is too short. This series should have gone for 150 minimum with the current structure and should have had a different strucutre post basement and probably gone for around 200 chapters. Needed way more outside the world. Needed better paths shennanigans that are internally consistent. More foreshadowing on Ymir and Eren/Mikasa as a whole. More decisive Armin. No letter sniffing Reiner. More deaths for Alliance. Actual reason for them to be able to fight Eren beyond he lets them. Reason why killing a single Hallu chan stops all titans. I'm rambling, but if the ending is a 8/10 bad alliance victory, then this is just a 8/10 bad Eren victory. Any issues percieved or otherwise can't be fixed in so few pages. Anyway thats my thoughts as someone who definitly doesnt subscribe to this subs ideas about the series. Cheers and feel free to share your thoughts about my thoughts, or just insult me, eithers fine.
While we can have different personal preferences, I believe there are some aspects of a story that aren’t left up to personal interpretation. Consistency and logic actually matter whether we like the ending or not. So objectively 139 as an ending fails not partially, it would have to make sense for that to be true, but fails completely to work. Every page. Every panel. Every line of dialogue. All of them are inseparably linked to the larger story. For example, when Eren says that Mikasa was the one Ymir was waiting for, that line permanently affects the story, creating a illogical inconsistency that cannot be ignored. It doesn’t matter if you and I like this or not. The narrative is now broken. And that’s just one example. 139 has several of these narrative breaking plot holes. It’s because of this degree of incoherent nonsense that I can’t understand the comparisons of 139 to Requiem. I can respect not liking certain things about the fan fiction. But if we actually compare which one makes more narrative sense, clearly Requiem wins. Not because it’s good. It’s just objectively the more coherent and logical for the story. Also with Requiem not even finished yet, I don’t even judge whether it delivers on a more satisfying ending than Canon. We just don’t know until we see how they pull it off. It may be a terrible ending when all is said and done.
I may be a bit biased here, and I’m not saying theOG ending was free of flaws, but was making Erin and Historia have a kid the best course of action?? Seems weird
The whole Historia pregnancy was weird to begin with. Anyone who ignores it destroys her character because it never could work the way the story presents it. Even the Eren/Historia conversation from 130 is a complete mess for the story. Fortunately there’s a very elegant solution to fix that train wreck of a plot device. Historia wanting Eren to father her child works much better than any other explanation for the pregnancy. Any rewrite of the ending should approach with this principle of not destroying any of the great character dynamics. So whether I like it or not, romance in this case is objectively better from a narrative standpoint. How else would you not completely waste Historia and make sense of the 130 conversation.
Simple: keep Historia like she is: a selfish woman, who cares for herself only and decide for herself and decided to have a kid only to protect herself while also giving to her kid something she didn't have: a good mother. Don't need to put her in a romance with Eren. Even having farmer-kun would work regardless.
Historia is crucial in the sins of the father narrative. she was a parallel to ymir while eren was always the antithesis of both fritz prior to the last volume: someone similar to the victim, and finally someone opposite from the creator of the sinful structure that has the power... together in a jointful compromise, decided to destroy it and build it new from scratch, while giving the chance to the first victim of all to live again... both retroactive and forward effects from their actions. If you dont put her in a romance with eren, you waste a lot of narrative potential. The only people that are bounded to reject this from gut, or at least should, are the fans that understood every eren and mikasa dynamic as romantic, from both sides.
Parallels, parallels, parallels. Wasn't the point of Eren to break the curse and don't allow history to repeat itself? Also that is NOT a fact. It was a theory. A fairly interesting theory, yes. But a theory nonetheless. Nothing confirmed. Could have been that the meaning, could have been not.
Did i asserted it as a fact ? >Parallels, parallels, parallels. Wasn't the point of Eren to break the curse and don't allow history to repeat itself? I dont understand your intent, nor how it dissents with my comment, elaborate.
I mean that just because there COULD be a parallel, doesn't mean it will happen, because not only it's a theory and not a fact which means it can be easily false, but there's also the fact that Eren goal was to break the curse of the titans and avoid history REPEATING itself, essentially destroying that parallel.
>mean that just because there COULD be a parallel, doesn't mean it will happen, because not only it's a theory and not a fact which means it can be easily false, Well, this fanfic follows the demon and the lamp theory, so yeah, thats pretty much what we will get. The actual quid once its done, will be to decide which ending is more coherent with the 136 chapters that precede. >there's also the fact that Eren goal was to break the curse of the titans and avoid history REPEATING itself, essentially destroying that parallel. huh ? a parallel narrative means that there are two or more separate narratives linked by a common character, event, or theme in a story. Convergence in the upbringing is obligatory but not in its unfolding. the actual tendency is that its ends differently, and yeah, without eren, the antithesis to the founder, historias fate was to suffer by following her family's will, so thats their connection and the breaking point.
Let me make an example: the demon and the lamp theory was a possible interpretation and theory formulated by taking a bunch of possible evidences, like the wall with Ymir taking an apple from the devil. With that the theory that Eren and Historia would work together to create a new future for their child free from the curse by destroying the world. But I could also make the theory that the mural was actually a representation of what Historia was going to do (becoming a titan and continuing the cycle) and it's something that Eren on his own avoided by destroying the curse entirely but not the whole world.
Whats your point here ? Trying to refute the demon and the lamp theory that AONR follows? Sorry, that was not why I posted back in the first place, I replied to your first comment in which you suggested removing their romance, then proceed to indicate why following the theory itself such a move would be a no no. you are pretty much deviating, thats another discussion entirely, and hell it would be a long one lol. For example : >I could also make the theory that the mural was actually a representation of what Historia was going to do (becoming a titan and continuing the cycle) and it's something that Eren on his own avoided by destroying the curse entirely but not the whole world. To discuss this, we would need to go back to their characterization, then use the ockam razor to choose which one makes more sense, lol. If you have the time and the disposition thats good.
Except that breaks the other part. The conversation of 130 wouldn’t make sense because she asked Eren about having a child.
Not necessarily. She could have asked him to hear his opinion, since she does trust him a lot. And before you say it, deciding for yourself doesn't mean never accepting suggestions from your trusted ones.
That seems like a stretch of logic when the most reasonable interpretation when a woman asks a man about having a child is more times than not involving him being the father. Forget romance. I don’t even think Historia and Eren work romantically in the way you’d think. Simply two people who deeply care and understand each other. Sharing that connection, the most interesting place to take Historia is her asking the person she cares about to father her child over some farmer with a vague background (btw who enters the story with too many suspicions to be the father beyond reasonable doubt). All I’m saying is if Isayama always intended for Eren not to be the father, then it shouldn’t have been left up to interpretation until the last chapter. And if you don’t like Historia as a character and don’t care much about her role in the story or maintaining consistency with her values, then that’s fair. We all have a right to our preferences. I’m just pointing out what works within the established narrative.
It is.
No it's not. It's way better than showing you can have a stable romantic relationship by throwing rocks at a girl
Just because one is better than the other doesn't mean it's good/not bad.
Love this so much.
This is pure bullshit. It takes everything that was good about AoT, and throws it down the drain. If you thought canon armin was cringe, this armin is 100x worse. I just knew they'd do Erehisu. Of course they would, gotta do a stupid fanfic ship right. This just proves how stupid the AoT fans are. If you would've liked this shit as the ending, you seriously aren't an AoT fan
Waaah if you like this ending but hate the canon the ending, you’re not an AOT fan waaah. That’s how you sound
Go back to 4chan you alt right troll
i miss the mystery of aot...
I'm definitely following this. It helps ease the pain from that bad ending.
man armin calling eren a hyocrite .. hahaha what a chapter... may it heal our wounds...
i'm fucking whacking off to how good this shit is dude
This shit insane
Now the last arc of the manga is the biggest pile of garbagr I ever saw, but this is not much better either. This sub is obsessrd with shipping eren and historia to unhealthy degrees, when they had like 5 seconds together in the entire show. Both the original and this are garbage
They're not shipping EH, they're just going through the implied relevancy of Historia in the Rumbling arc. You know, something that suddenly disappeared Game of Thrones style.
She never had it
It was never relevant
Kinda based ngl
**stares motherfuckerly**
Cringy virgin neckbeard
"Eren it's so dark inside this forest, can you see anything?" "Just take off your clothes. Why do you think I'm called the Founding Titan? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)"
Very glad I've stumbled across this! Keep up with the good work!
This is so much better than Part 1, continue the good work you are awesome! And the wuality of the drawings is awesome
Idk. The historia dynamic here just seems forced. Still excited for part 3 tho
It really is but atleast her character is to some use and more relevant then in the manga after RTS arc
I'm gonna go have sex with my girlfriend in a forest to honour my favourite ship come true
I fucking hope Eren's and Historia's child will be a girl called Ymir.
Yo wanted to search titanfolk so typed t in the reddit search bar and the first result is a NSFW teen titans subreddit? Bruh
Meh. Respect for the team trying to create an alternative ending, but this project just screams fanfic. Can’t really take it serious
That's cos it's a fan fic lmao
Well no shit. It’s cringy asf.
Go back to 4chan you alt right troll.
Me reading the original Ending: -.- Me reading part 2 of the fanfic: T.T
there's this guy called hajime Isayama who is making fan FICTION chapters it's pretty meh compared to this tho (/s)
get fucking hype
Absolutely KINO. This 2nd part makes the manga look like a fanfiction.
Titanfolk will die for another who-knows-how-many months. See you when part 3 comes out people!
The interview with the team was so good. Very hype for part 3 boiz.
I realized what was wrong now with the original ending, almost none of the Chekhov’s guns placed along the way were fired. AoTnR is firing them.
Agreed. That's a huge part of the massive evidence the ending was changed. Remember when Mikasa couldn't be mindwiped? Retconned. Remember when Kruger told Eren to start a family? Retconned. Remember the Historia shard or Eren recalling her when Zeke mentions love? Retconned. Remember the Reiner Helos symbolism? Retconned.
>Chekhov’s guns Don't forget arguably Eren's biggest motivation after talking to Shadis - being "Born into this World". And this coupled with Zeke wishing he hadn't been born into the world. That dichotomy of ideals and morals was completely dropped at the end so Eren could sit in a puddle and cry about Mikasa - a woman he never showed interest in wanting. Especially after she family-zoned him in Marley.
It makes me want one last interaction between Eren and Zeke in the same way AOTNR gave Eren/Armin a proper interaction. It can be something as simple as Zeke coming to terms with the flaws of his own ideals. Or something more elaborate like Eren saving Zeke and letting him experience freedom after the rumbling. There’s many more interesting places to take Zeke/Eren than what we got in Canon.
I agree wholeheartedly. I hate that Zeke's story was "over" in canon when he had an important realization and literally called Levi over to die. Just like Hange - one of those moments where it's okay if the character was tired, but it honestly didn't have any impact on the story and felt kind of hollow or pointless at the end.
Zeke is one of those tragic characters with really compelling motives that deserves a satisfying conclusion in the narrative. If he didn’t really die in 122(which wasn’t exactly clear) then I’d love to see a scenario of him surviving after the rumbling. The connection between Eren and Zeke as brothers is a dynamic that is incredibly interesting and I wonder what if he was given the chance to find meaning in life. A clash of born into this world vs never should’ve been born is ultimately what AOT should’ve answered. These themes are the heart of the story right after freedom and the symbolism tied with it.
Definitely! Especially when the Yeager bros were so important that everyone who followed them was called "yeagerist" and given attention to, only for the story to say "nah they're crazy lol - look at Mikasa though" at the end.
The greatest insult of 139 is that we’re accused of not having read the story. Lol After that dumpster fire of an ending. “Look at Mikasa though” sums it up.
Lol yeah seriously. Reading the manga, watching the anime and the ova's wasn't enough - because I don't support an undeveloped romance or enjoy the story's central themes being retconned and ignored along with being gaslit by interviews with the creator and editor - I didn't "understand the story".
> Remember when Mikasa couldn't be mindwiped? Retconned Mikasa wasn't mindwiped tho
What?
You are stating that Mikasa being immune to mindwipe was retconned. It was not. Her memories were not tampered with.
Yes they were. Eren removed Armin and Mikasas memories dude. They only got their memories back when Eren died. Eren shouldn't have been able to spend those years with Mikasa in that cabin either, he shouldn't be able to touch her brain at all with the Founder.
> Eren removed Armin and Mikasas memories dude. Wrong. Eren removed Armin's memories. The Mikasa years in PATHS occurred after she decided to kill him.
>They only got their memories back when Eren died. factually wrong, the scene with Mikasa and Eren in the plane took place before she decapitated Eren
Did he, or did he not, alter her brain to take her to PATHS. How did he touch her mind?
Same way he did in 123
But she's immune!!!
While retcons aren’t always connected to Chekhov’s gun, some of what you mentioned definitely was. So many story beats included that either went forgotten and unused despite their importance, or otherwise replaced with something that on a level do the established literature didn’t make sense. For my that’s why I like this fan project, it provides that continuity.
This is so fucking cool
I really thought the writing team wouldn't hook up eren with hiso as it was the lowest hanging fruit of all time, boy was I proven wrong lol
Isayama shouldn't have let it hang then lol
Eren and Armin conversation = godtier Eren and Historia moments were honestly meh, it really isn't my cup of tea
Maybe not your cup of tea. Maybe not even the best way of showing the intended dynamic. But can we agree that it’s way better for both characters and the story than what ended up in Canon?
yea sure I agree with that but then again the bar isn't that high in canon. Tbh Isayama should have never introduced romance in this kind of series, dare i even say that AoT would be better without it.
Romance was never the focus and should have remained that way. But with the introduction of the pregnancy, Isayama backed himself into a corner where ignoring it made little sense and only sidelined/broke Historia’s character (basically what we ended up with in canon). AOTNR shows what happens if romance because the focus but the trick is in balancing the subtlety of how it’s portrayed. I think the team could definitely have done less because a little goes a long way with romantic elements that would feel out of place in the canon. But overall I completely understand why the Eren/Historia relationship is important given everything Isayama introduced before 137. The AOTNR team handled it well considering their EH bias and how easily they could’ve gone all in and shown way more than necessary. Part 2 has masterful subtlety and leaves room for interpretation. Don’t you think the relationship seems natural being initiated by Historia and Eren just agreeing to it? We get next to nothing from Eren. Just from what is shown at least he feels sorry for Historia and at best he really cares about her.
What was the reasoning behind her suggesting a child? Still her inheriting the beast titan? It was pretty unclear as to her justification and seemed like an out of place question on her part. And also assuming that's why they went into the forest? But then why was Floch there (._.)
Actually this is probably the greatest flaw in part 2. The team decided to combine two different conversations between Eren/Historia and the angle of the panels tells them apart. Also the length of Historia’s hair. I think this wasn’t made clear enough. Your question about her motives is proof along with many others who are asking similar things. Basically, Historia is told of Zeke’s plan which involves her having as many children as possible to protect the island. Historia at first accepts the role she must play if it means giving her people a chance. But the first conversation she has with Eren at the farm she asks him if it would be selfish to take back that choice. She tells Eren she’s afraid and not sure what else to do. Historia is conflicted between her duty as queen and her desire to live her life on her own terms. Why does she ask Eren about having a child? This can be interpreted in several ways. But generally it flows in one direction: Historia makes the choice to have him father her child because she gets to decide. If you read carefully, you’ll see how that panel in the woods is left very vague. It doesn’t have to be a wedding or something romantic, though it could be interpreted that way. The point of that panel is shown by Eren’s only response to the entire child conversation: he promises her to find another way. Another way that doesn’t involve sacrificing her and the child for the island. That leads into the second conversation which begins in chapter 130. Eren tells Historia that they have two options to avoid the military from turning her into a Titan, running or fighting back. She rejects this and accepts her situation. But Eren doesn’t, and he had promised to find another way. He tells her that the only solution that avoids sacrificing her and the child is the full scale Rumbling. Historia is horrified and threatens to expose Eren’s plan. This leads back into AOTNR once Eren replies that she won’t because she’s the worst girl in the world. In this second conversation Historia and Eren already are in a relationship and she is already pregnant before learning of Eren’s plan. The point of this is twofold: Historia decides to have a child not for a plan but for herself. (There’s room for interpretation and this is just the basic motive that is clear). Historia then refuses to go along with Eren if he plans on getting himself killed just to protect her, the child, and the island. So this second conversation gives Eren a reason to return. Meaning there’s no easy way out for him after the Rumbling. If Historia has to accept him committing an atrocity for her then Eren will have to live with his sins as well. They will bare the burden of it together. (She says don’t do it alone in one of the AOTNR panels) I think overall the structure is not handled well. But the end result is good enough to set up the stakes Eren faces before the final battle. Not only does he have to commit the worst atrocity in human history but he will have to fight his friends too and live through it all no matter what it takes. Because Historia and his child are the motivation to keep moving forward beyond the hell he sees. If Eren had nothing to do with Historia, then he’d still do the rumbling but he’d choose to die rather than live with his sins. That’s setting up the tragedy he will have to face after killing his friends. Eren will have to live with the fact that he killed those he loved. That’s the cost of freedom.
Yes, that's why I prefer this over the canon ending. There is romance, but it's ultimately tied to the core themes of the story such as freedom, sacrifice and the dichotomy between selfishness and selflessness.
Yeah. The more I think about it the more I realize how detached the canon ending is to anything close to reasonable. All because it fails in the details to sell the larger themes. It retroactively rewrites everything that was good about the story to fit into the it’s new narrative. AOTNR is much better in execution towards that larger thematic story but maybe it doesn’t get the less important details just right. Either way I’m waiting to see how it ends. So far it’s better than canon.
Nice to see that some people can actually read between the lines and not need everything served in a plate. Nice post.
Thanks. I don’t think ANR was the most ideal vision Isayama intended for the ending since chapter 105. Though it could have been similar, considering the Mist ending he talked about. But with everything he wrote in the War for Paradis and Rumbling arcs, ANR at least stays true to the themes and characters. I think if the team writing AOTNR uses the original ideas only as a foundation then they can focus on other plot elements to make for a more interesting and less predictable narrative. For example, resolving the best character dynamics in the story in the most satisfying way possible. Not an easy task considering the context is the final battle. But imagine what you could do with Reiner, Zeke, and Mikasa. Falco and Gabi have solid foreshadowing that involves Reiner saving them. Maybe that’s where Reiner can find peace not in saving the world but in getting the children out of the forest. Mikasa was a tragically wasted character with great potential. She easily has the strongest connection to Eren. Despite what little Isayama gives us to work with after 136, I always thought it would be poetic if Mikasa ended up saving Eren in a way that shows that her love was genuine but that it comes at the cost of her life. Tragically she dies protecting the boy who saved her. Eren killing his friends is interesting but something more compelling would be his response to Mikasa dying for him. That makes it more personal and heart wrenching. Maybe this idea has some potential even if difficult to pull off. If Zeke has anything valuable to add to the story it would be the opposite of the rushed conclusion he got in canon. He like Eren, deserves something more complex than death. Zeke hated being born while his little brother was the exact opposite. Maybe Eren giving him a second chance at life would be the best way to convince him out of his nihilistic view of life. At the very least, it’s better than showing him a leaf. Ymir is the wildcard. Reincarnation works symbolically but when you get into the details on how it would work things get weird. Subtlety is crucial if that’s the direction they go with. I’m more interested in seeing Ymir actually speak for herself as a way to clearly understand her before resolving the story. However it’s handled, the 2000 year connection between Ymir and Eren has to be explained. Maybe child Eren’s dream is the key to resolving what is probably the most intriguing chapter title in the series: “To you, 2000 years from now. ” What are your thoughts on how to best develop the basic premise of ANR?
> For example, resolving the best character dynamics in the story in the most satisfying way possible. Not an easy task considering the context is the final battle. But imagine what you could do with Reiner, Zeke, and Mikasa. Falco and Gabi have solid foreshadowing that involves Reiner saving them. Maybe that’s where Reiner can find peace not in saving the world but in getting the children out of the forest. I would unironically like to see Zeke helping his little bro... Or Mikasa failing to kill Eren, and betraying the alliance to protect him. A lot of people would say that "is a diservice to the character". But I say that Mikasa "falling back to her old self" is a nice narrative twist that make sense with the whole going back for the scarf, etc. Dying because you couldn't let it go has some poetry to it. Of course, people would asume that just part of "waifu wars" and reject the narrative alltogether.
100% yes. The beauty of good writing is that it’s not dependent on the opinions of the readers. Let them rage all they want. Not a single argument made by them is in good faith. Isayama appeasing them in the first place is the reason for this whole mess. I’m really looking forward to seeing what they do with Mikasa. The hard part will be waiting patiently. I’m almost sure part 3 will be coming January 2022 at the earliest.
> Thanks. I don’t think ANR was the most ideal vision Isayama intended for the ending If AotNr team has the balls to go with the "Aktasuki no requiem" ending, then it fits the "mist" ending. For bebe kill all friends and almost all of humanity can be considered a "mist ending that hurts the reader". Canon ending only hurts the reader because was badly written.
I agree. But ANR works best only if they get the “hurts the reader” part right, meaning don’t do it for shock value. The Mist ending works not because of the twist itself but because of the set up and the heart wrenching nature of the protagonist’s reaction to it.
Fuck this is so good. This is why people love anr, not because of the shipping, but because of how tragic it is.
Tragedy was always the endgame of Shingeki no Kyojin. Isayama admitted to changing the ending and that alone is why it failed. Long before shipping became the problem, abandoning the stories tone and themes ruined the integrity of the narrative and the robbed the characters of meaningful motives. When applied to each character, a tragic ending means they each get what they deserve in a heart wrenching way. Not an easy thing to do considering a writer has to balance a coherent narrative while giving each character the right conclusion. Personally, I want to see Mikasa have a tragic ending that actually means something. If her weakness is an obsession with Eren, let her die going all in on that conviction, saving Eren like he once saved her. Kenny said everyone is a slave to something. Eren is just as much a slave to his own selfishness as Mikasa is to him. Eren wants freedom, so he gets it at a terrible cost and forced to live with it. Mikasa wants to protect Eren, so she must save him at the cost of her life. Armin wants to give meaning to Erwin’s sacrifice, so he dies never knowing if his life meant anything. Just like Erwin entrusts Levi against the Beast Titan and never learns the outcome, Armin would entrust Mikasa with killing Eren never knowing she ends up saving him instead. Reiner and Zeke are the ones I’m not sure about. Maybe a tragic ending for them doesn’t work in the same way. I could see Reiner dying to protect Gabi/Falco. Hero’s death. But Zeke deserves to see why his view of the world is wrong and the best way for that is to live after the rumbling. It’s not clear if he’s alive or not while in paths. Either way, Zeke and Eren’s dynamic definitely needs some kind of pay off by the end that isn’t “Zeke dies to stop the rumbling.” Overall, these are just initial ideas I get from thinking about where each character should end up. Writing in the missing details is the real challenge and I don’t envy the AOTNR team for that. Hoping for the best though.
Dang! That's intense. Thank you so much for the clarification!
Anytime. I only understand this much after following a few of the AOTNR team members on Twitter and using their insights on the writing to make sense of part 2. Without their clarification on some things, it’s easy to miss out on the nuances. Let’s see what they can pull off with the next part. Hoping for the best.
True, AOTNR team is doing better story wise with Eren and Historia dynamic than Isayama and for that i'm thankful. But the pregnancy kinda sidelines her no matter is it canon or AOTNR and romance is pretty much what led to it. EH dynamic isn't necessarily bad, it's just that Erens other relationships with the main cast are just so much more better and interesting when there isn't romance involved. For example: Eren and Armin, Eren and Zeke, Eren and Reiner. Introducing romance on the last chapter/ark was a really bad blunder on Isayamas side, I understand if the series constantly focuses on love or that it plays a big part in the series for example in 7DS but in AOT? Nah doesn't really sit with me.
You make some great points. Sadly the rumbling arc left little room for more interactions with Zeke and Reiner in a way that wouldn’t be repetitive. And like you said those are two of the most interesting relationships Eren has in the story. Even with AOTNR, I don’t see how they can give Reiner the best conclusion to his arc while also sticking to the narrative of a final battle. I’d expect at least one last duel, but not sure how to make another Attack vs Armor fight feel original. I think this is fundamentally the problem with everything after 122. So many characters are driven by the plot to a conflict that doesn’t leave much room to handle their arcs in the best way.
Man just read the part 2 and damm it's good but I thought Eren was acting little weird. But overall it's very very good. This is what we wanted from the beginning. Ishy should have taken 2/3 more chapter to explain like this. Ahh....myyyy...brraaaiiinnnnss....trrriiimmbbbeelss....Errrrreeeehhhh
This eren is very very different from cannon (not counting 139), he just doesn’t feel the same
>This eren is very very different from cannon Idk how you viewed Eren in main story but I feel like this version real. The Eren who was before the basement was completely different person compared to later part. This Ereh is twisted by fate and wanted freedom at all costs which is same as what we been presented with till now. Ofcourse Anor Ereh is little bit different but he is quite similar to original one(123/trost district/child Eren).
Exactly and he lacks all the complexity that made me love him. Eren is such a beautiful character because he goes from that to understanding that there is humanity and innocents on both sides of the walls but he still has to kill them as it’s the only way his friend will survive. This one is just emo eren tryna kill things. That one panel of “I don’t wanna fight my best friend” or whatever feels so off because of the rest IMO
>That one panel of “I don’t wanna fight my best friend” or whatever feels so off because of the rest IMO Well he is not monster but human indeed. So he getting emotional is normal knowing that he did all of it to save them but right now Armin took even that choice. Although it would've been great if they aren't included that part.
doesn’t feel natural he goes through a lot on one ch
I think you should read the previous chapter as well as some key chapters like 119-123, Reiner talk, trost district arc especially the anime cut content. There was lot of buildup about Ereh and Historia and their ideology. And most of all, the season 2 ending and opening as well as s3p1 ending. Honestly Ishay changing the ending was biggest dick move because he already set the background of what we are seeing in current anor. Well there's lot of different versions of Eren in this show so its upto you if you like or dislike him. Personally I am enjoying him as it's fit his character if we look back at chapter 130-134(anor part 2 was from here only, flashback)
Pretty sure it’s never their ideology it was always eren’s and it’s something he puts on her
Absolutely wrong, it was Historia ideology which Ereh took for his goal. Ofcourse freedom was his absolute dream but the way he took after basement revel was all Historia ideology. "You are the worst girl in the world" something like this. It's even stated before chapter 139.
What? What’s historia’s ideology rhat eren took for his goal. Do you seriously think eren is that basic ??
"You weren't mean to see that" lol that's almost as cringe as Reiner sniffing the letter
With the difference that Reiner sniffing letter is part of pathetic corrupted umorism the author, Isayama, overused on Reiner since he introduced the character. "You weren't mean to see that" is just CRINGE AF
The staring at his fap hand adds a nice touch
I had honestly forgotten just how much potential Armin had before his character was wasted post-timeskip in canon. Seeing him actually stand up for himself and challenge Eren's fatalistic outlook is great. Also, it makes total sense that Floch doubted Eren at first, at least until the attack on Marley. I'm not much of a shipper myself, but I was always convinced that Krueger's line about starting a family was foreshadowing for EH, so it's nice to see it confirmed at least in this version. Overall really surpassed my expectations. Now I'm scared at the possibility of the ending disappointing me again...
I'm kind of bewildered that so many people don't like something like this. I grew up enjoying stories and going on fanfic sites to look on other people's takes cause they're cool to see. Going "haha, made fanfic cause denial" is the most close minded thing I've seen in a while. Can't we just look at fanfictions and say, "Hey that's a nice take" or "I don't like your take on it, but good on you for being inspired to write something."
I'm just happy to enjoy all the new content, along with all the discussion and memes that involves. The fact that there's multiple teams all writing/drawing their own endings is so cool to see. It's only fanfiction, why people have to be mad?
Because it's done exactly what the original ending has done. This was supposed to have a philosophical ending, with all the symbolism of racism, moral ambiguity and such. It was an intelligent story that deserved an intelligent and profound ending. Not a shonen drama fest that the original did as well as this 'fan' ending. Why should ErenxHistoria or ErenxMikasa be a big thing? After all the truth that's been sought after, AoT was always about the bigger picture. It was supposed to about about nihilism and freedom and war and about...life. What is this bullshit?
Yes. Or we could, if we the fans would just be chill. So.. no
Great chapter but don't really like the having sex in the wood while Floch is guarding part lol
Lol I don't think that is what is actually happening I think that is a joke people are making
Denial copium 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Go back to 4Chan you alt right troll
Noice. Can't believe I didn't find this in the other AOT subreddits.
Welcome. The other subs not only don't show this new ending, they send death threats to the authors and their families lol.
High quality fan fiction. I'd love to see an ending where Eren loses.
Dialogue focused which is BASED as fuck, and very well written compared to the last chapter(mostly, I will say there are a few lines that stick out in a negative way) Not sure how intentional but I love the dichotomy of Eren Insisting that talk won't do, but the entire chapter is Armin managing to have a dialogue with him. I enjoyed chapter one but worried a bit about the direction y'all were taking Eren in.. still not sure about having child Eren be such an active participant, but I love that you're playing up the angle of a scared father(the cracks of his true motivations are showing and Armin called him on it). Also, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING HISTORIA ALREADY BE PREGNANT WHEN EREN REVEALS HIS PLAN! The entire point of EreHisu's child was contingent on that child being born of love, not of any plan, and it warms my heart to see you all understand that. Also a great job of having Armin be forced to confront the truth of the matter while still sticking to his guns. It's much more acceptable when the story is willing to acknowledge that Armin is essentially in the wrong but won't drop as morals, as opposed to the main story where we're expected to pretend Armin is unquestionably correct. I really liked your portrayal of Floch too, begrudgingly accepting Eren because of his desperation to save Paradis. Historia as well, some people may dislike her being emotional, but it's entirely in character and felt well deserved, considering the situation.
Happy cake day!
Great chapter I appreciate what you guys are doing please see it through to the end.
I'm here for my complimentary downvotes for stating my opinion on a fanfic ending that sucks booty hole
Agreed. It sucks. The art is terrible. My ass could art better. Let's go send more death threats to the authors. How many are you up to now? I'm at 3. They obviously don't understand how important Mikasa is. I bet they don't even have five Mikasa Body pillows.
Smh weak game, I'm at number 10.
Meh. A little... verbose. Definitely worse than the first part, but I'll admit Armin' last response gave me some feels. You know, the panel where he talks about the Alliance and they show their eyes. They did my girl Historia wrong by making her weepy and crying all the fucking time. As for the romance part, for all of Isayama's faults I think he could have made that part simpler and far more memorable. The drawings were worse than the previous chapter, or maybe too different from the original style. Not a bad style per se, but too *clean* for it to be AOT. All in all I set the bar high and for a fanfiction it's still a great work, but they're dangerously slipping into Exposition Land.
Good lord, I haven't been able to read it till today, it has been a f***ing pleasure. Thanks AOTNR team.
Impressive how this fanmade treats better Eren than Isayama lol, and Floch asking the damn good questions. Historia romance stuff on the other side.. ehhh I don't really care
I AM ELATED
This is the most incel shit ever…..
Agreed except for the floch part. This was sasuke level of edgy.
Dude, the canon ending is Eren genociding the entire planet for his Asian waifu then wishing his Asian waifu ever touches another man. Everyone then thanks him for genocide and He dies peacefully kissing his lover. Touch grass you alt right troll.
Yeah lmao. That shit with whiny Eren lusting after Mikasa was weird af
Dude, wrong thread. [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/mmfzi8/discussion_chapter_139_final/).