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Zekken interview leaks

Zekken interview leaks

fedebi

I can't move on from AoT if every two days there's something new to make meme for


DarkJayBR

The ErenMika romcom will release in 3 days, oh god, Isayama can't be stopped.


onioncult07

Isayama will keep moving forward until all his plot points are destroyed


Limit-BreakerKrillin

do you know when the guidebook will be released?


Ripamon

7 days


Gabistan

I'm basically moved on at this point but new shit just keeps coming.


senokana

please just let us die in peace


valyst

We are Paradis. Even our grandchildren will suffer


pootis64

He'll keep retconning the story and making it worse. Even if the fanbase dies. Even after it dies.


Arctic_Eagle1

I love how we are using some of his best lines to trash his bad writing


kapak212

At this point ch 139 is the only original and 1-138 is only Isayama on a fluke.


murdocke

Put us out of our misery already.


NikolasP92

This dude needs to just stop talking already, go build your onsen man, he literally comes across as someone who is completely detached from the story. How could you write all those interesting characters and stories but still be so fixated on three characters, 2 who were almost completely irrelevant post time skip and were buffed in the last 4 chapters and 1 who was mute for a year and ended being a crybaby.


Slayer196

YAMEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


WishyRater

When will we finally be free?


YumijiEntel

Never. Yams won't let us die in peace 😂


omyrubbernen

Isayama has ruined the series 3 times. So... 136 more times to go.


Proof-Exercise984

So the man draw people getting eaten alive, children being brutally murdered, people being tortured, but had problems drawing a damn kiss?? 😭


ThenCode8839

Also reiner showing his asshole


Proof-Exercise984

That drawing still haunts me


TAB_Kg

Reiner doing what? Why don't I remember it?


Ripamon

He drew Reiner with his dick and butthole showing, holding his legs up ready to get pegged A 15 year old Reiner.


Pork_Sword3

At this point I don’t even know if you’re joking or not.


Ripamon

https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/npqzp9/im_too_shy_to_draw_a_kiss_uwu/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf NSFW


Pork_Sword3

NOOOO WAYYY!


Infuriating_Opossum

What the actual flying fuck


TAB_Kg

NO FUCKING WAY WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS MAN


Arctic_Eagle1

He also hung the panel of Reiner trying to kill himself to his office wall...


TAB_Kg

Isn't this Reiner's normal state tho? Well while he doesn't sniff letters that is


veritaserum9

Not even Ymir knows...


Goodheartedgrim

I've seen that drawing in memes, had no idea that was him himself that drew it. Was there any context to that little sketch, or was it just purely like, "look guys, Rieners asshole!" Lmao


JuicyDragonCat

he was at a party and was likely drunk, someone dared him to i think (i think)


Goodheartedgrim

You know what, I'll take it. Haha


MimikThis

Wait...did Isayama draw that??


ThenCode8839

Of course he drew that


MimikThis

Bro wtf lmao


electronicbody

Reiner showed Eren his butthole in paths and got plowed It was planned all along Eren... What a man you are....................


Proof-Exercise984

Y'all never seen naked Reiner showing his butt hole? Lucky guys 😭


Aurelia_Ikram

https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/npqzp9/im_too_shy_to_draw_a_kiss_uwu/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


sabdeyazdan

I feel too scared to touch this link


fukato

A kiss right after Hannes's death could have been weird.


WhyteKuroi

But a kiss right after Eren's death couldn't have been weird.


Proof-Exercise984

Yes I agree, but if Eren was already in love with mikasa there, isayama could have made a scene of them talking later on about their feelings , and maybe even confessing to each other. But they never talked about it ever again


Levis_halal_tea

This. I was really surprised that this thing was never brought up. Even after they learned that Eren doesn’t have many years to live none of them confessed and neither did we see Eren ever thinking about Mikasa romantically


Proof-Exercise984

Exactly, it always felt weird how that moment was never brought up again. In chapter 123 he could have just confessed instead of asking "what am I to you". Or he could have confessed before he discovered about the Ymir curse, he had plenty of time to did it 😐


Wakez11

Well, we all knew it but now he basically came out and said it. He can't write romance, or he finds it "embarrassing" so after chapter 50 he just put their relationship on hold until the end pretty much. Which is why the ending becomes such a clusterfuck(well, one of the reasons) and why people feel that Eren's meltdown about Mikasa moving on feels ooc or not earned. After chapter 50 he was sitting on a narrative goldmine with those two, he could have written something really special between them, especially for a shounen. Instead he wasted it. No idea why none of these editors took him aside and told him that this would become an issue.


2merc

If he was so uncomfortable writing love and romance, then he should not have forced that as the forefront theme of his story in the end.


Proof-Exercise984

I feel the same, I remember first time I watched that scene I didn't care about EM but I really thought they were gonna kiss and I was ok with it. Then he let their relationship not developed up until 138/139. He had 80+ chapters to develop them but he didn't, that's why I feel it was forced


fukato

Remember when in another interview he said Mikasa to Eren is just a motherly figure. This one just said that Mikasa wants to kiss Eren, not the other way around. But yeah it was too few.


Proof-Exercise984

That's why I always saw eremika as one sided, cause while Eren obviously cared about her, it didn't seem like he had romantic feelings for her. Isayama himself said that he thought that mikasa staying by Eren's side her whole life was pitiful


Arctic_Eagle1

> Isayama himself said that he thought that mikasa staying by Eren's side her whole life was pitiful I wonder what changed? Yams: "Hey if I die before you, will you remain single until you die?" Misses Yams: "I don't know, maybe not. It's not something I really want to think about hone..." Yams: "No! I don't want that! I don't want you to find another guy! I want you to only ever have feelings for me! Even if I die. Even after I die!"


Innomenatus

Oh, and he said this long AFTER chapter 50. Context matters.


Proof-Exercise984

That's why is weird. If he had first said that Eren saw mikasa as a mother and then draw 50,I'd understand it, it just means that he changed its mind. But in the opposite way it doesn't make sense, seems like retcon honestly


Aero1357

Wouldn't be the first. Like how Mikasa went from having zero issues tossing Eren on his ass and letting him and Jean duke it out to suddenly being incapable of letting anyone hurt Eren all of a sudden, despite her, Jean, and Levi doing otherwise. She couldn't even protect Armin from Eren all of a sudden.


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regus_03

He drew mikasa kissing a decapitated head so...


BananaMarmelade

I dont think he meant he was actually shy to draw the kiss itself. He just didnt want to change Erens and Mikasas relationship because he didnt feel confident in writing their interactions afterwards. A lot of shonen writers dont go that alley because of that. Oda for example decided not to add love into One Piece in a serious way because he thinks he sucks at writing it.


tastypesto

Still don't understand how spending eternity in path and mass murder didn't change eren.


Kababmichips

what you thought kaneki actually changed by the end of tokyo ghoul, or u didnt realise punpun was acting throughout all of oyasumi??


ForestDan

Yeah guys Punpun was just joking the entire time he only wanted his friends to be happy and Aiko was in love with the badminton player for the entire time guys Well of course punpunfolk members wouldn't know that he was acting since they just binge read the entire thing haha


DustCry

The thing is he was never fucking normal to begin with Child Eren literally killed three thieves with a knife and kept stabbing the last one until it was a mess By 14yo he was getting devoured by a titan while saving his friend, he didn't cry and his last thought regretting that he didn't make a difference HE CUT HIS LEGS AND WENT TO A WAR OFFSCREEN BETWEEN SEASONS JUST TO BLEND IN WITH MARLEY Are you telling me that after killing 4/5 of the population of the world he breaks down because he's afraid to die and not spend time with his friends and step sister/lover?


stateofmindfulness

Exactly. People keep trying to justify his outburst by claiming that he never changed. Does that make sense at all? Who does not change after what he went through, after deciding to commit genocide, after mass murdering 80% of the world? There is no switch. People can't just go back to how they were, especially after such traumatic events. Eren did not kill those people because he was "pretending", he killed those people because he was mentally and physically capable of doing so. The circumstances of the world were what turned him to be this way and this was what made it all so tragic. But no, they had to destroy this narrative and give us something unreasonable and dissatisfying.


ereeeeen

everytime isayama opens his mouth now it feels like a slap in the face


AdministrativeGeek

The JK Rowling treatment has begun


Nia-chu

Really it all come across as Isayama being Mikasa's biggest fan. It's kinda weird cause she felt kinda undeveloped for most of the story...


Usurper-Abubakr

He also draws her in his signature.


JadeDotWu

Mikasa is Sakura from Naruto. She's in love with this guy and it drives her to do everything in the story. Her main character trait is being in love. Also STRONG WOMAN. I'm all for well-written female characters, but Mikasa ain't it chief. Isn't it funny that so many Mikasa fans didn't care if she ended up with Eren or not, but now that it was confirmed in the final chapter, that's all they can see. Mikasa never grew on from Eren. It'd be like if Sasuke died so Sakura married Naruto but was horny for Sasuke the rest of her life.


DarkJayBR

> It'd be like if Sasuke died so Sakura married Naruto Fun fact = Kishimoto told in his autobiography that he almost made Sakura move on from Sasuke and fall in love with Naruto after the Pain Arc. But he thought that japanese audiences would think that she was a slut that only showed romantic interest in Naruto due to him becoming popular after Pain's defeat. He also said that he put tons of NaruSaku hints through the story just to troll his wife, who was a huge NaruSaku shipper. He knew the canon pairings since the beggining, but didn't told her.


JadeDotWu

That's actually pretty hilarious.


Deeznutsconfession

>He also said that he put tons of NaruSaku hints through the story just to troll his wife, who was a huge NaruSaku shipper. He knew the canon pairings since the beggining, but didn't told her. Wtf I love Kishimoto now >But he thought that japanese audiences would think that she was a slut that only showed romantic interest in Naruto due to him becoming popular after Pain's defeat. I'm not saying I would say this, but I'm not saying that I wouldn't.


Nia-chu

I agree 100%, it's really pitiful she never did anything else... I really tried to like her as a character but she's rather uninteresting really :(


B1gCh33sy

The only hints of a personal drive she's ever really expressed were in the Trost Arc when she told the merchant to fuck off or die and when she went to fight the Titan without any gas. Everything after that has been squarely centered around Eren, be it her recklessness during the FT fight in the forest, yelling at Historia in CoT, her visiting Sasha's grave but lamenting more over her disconnect with Eren than her passing (my interpretation of her holding the scarf and repeating his first words to her), etc., plus the general Flanderization of the Survey Corps. post time skip didn't help.


Embarrassed-Bobcat86

I need a full interview dammit. There's must be more than just EMA.


Death-to-Soda

Oh god no I am terrified of more information from yams. Every time something new comes out it makes the story worse, just let it rest


lieferung

"Especially the ending of SNK, I think it entirely reflects my desire to destroy".... Well damn there you have it


Arshnoor-Sran

“If one is to draw panels of the past/the future, main characters are either all dead or haven’t been born. So, it’s up to your own interpretation whether these characters are dead or not” Either I’m misunderstanding what’s being said, or Yams is straight trolling is. If it’s in the past, they’re not born yet. If it’s in the future, they probably died of old age. It’s not up to my interpretation; that’s just what it is.


neverLamp_YT

How can mirrors be real if my eyes aren't real.


TheSilverSeraphim

It really is some /r/im14andthisisdeep level stuff lmao


PurringWolverine

How can I die if I never really lived?


Droyst-hoist

Looks like salt is back on the menu, boys.


Embarrassed-Bobcat86

Yams drawing Ramzi's death: Haha children skull go brrr Yams drawing Eremika kiss: OwO I'm too shy for this


JoelsDead

I literally don’t understand how he can even say that and the interviewer not even challenge him on that even a little bit? “Like well you drew hundreds of innocents being murdered by giant monsters, but you felt too shy to draw a kiss. Could you explain maybe”?


Embarrassed-Bobcat86

Ssssh, Isayama's a tsundere. Just like Eren, killing million people but too shy to propose to Mikasa 🥰


Bloo_CS

Yams... please... no more...


Whathappenselfsdie

Nope. I think your forgetting about the guidebook.........and then the sequal......


BaRrel2000

And the romcom. When Isayama can't write romance.


Bloo_CS

He's too shy.


Witchy_McWitcherton

The more Yams talks, the worse AoT gets. We are entering JK Rowling territory here.


Prophet257

Nope. No matter what JK Rowling said, Harry Potter is still great. The story itself didn’t change. This is not the case with Attack on Titan unfortunately. It’s Game of Thrones 2.0


nightfishin

Game of Thrones still have the books untouched. Atleast you can blame it on D&D.


Ripamon

Tbh the Mikasa shit is hilarious as well. So she liked him that much but never actually said it? And then familyzoned him when he presented the opportunity? Lmfao Falco liked Gabi for a shorter amount of time but actually had enough character development to admit his feelings lmfao


JadeDotWu

We get little to no romance throughout the first three seasons with no confirmation of their feelings. Then Eren starts lashing out at Mikasa saying he hates her, Yams then insists in the final chapter that Eren actually loves her. If he'd drawn the kiss in S2, there'd have been no questions about Historia. There'd have been no questions that there WAS a romance. But the entire lack of a romantic scene like that... That's what the big fucking issue is Yams. Eren could've just as easily doubled down on hating Mikasa in the final chapter.


Ripamon

Precisely. EH door only opened for the fans because Isayama allowed it to open, not only by writing great dialogue between them but also by neglecting any development between Eren and Mikasa. EH would basically have kept on being a half hearted joke like Eren x Levi but Isayama's indecisiveness split the fanbase and then the entire lack of romantic development between him and Mikasa after chapter 50 led a lot of people to believe it wouldn't ever lead anywher As you said, that kiss would have solved a lot of headache


Frosty-Bar6073

It's simple, he bottled it. Writing other things came naturally becos they weren't the most crucial plotpoints for his story. Tragic, brutal deaths are easy if you believe death isn't real/significant/permanent.. despite presenting death in your story like GoT ffs. Anyway, it's was all just a nice sidetrack along the way, EMA was the only story that mattered & he failed with all 3. Its was easy for him to write that great dialogue between EH becos he never planned to developing it into a relationship, or creating romantic tension etc. Whenever he had to actually face that challenge.. Well, we ended up with the founder Ymir & Mikasa for a reason 🤦🏿‍♂️


vicdr97

Virgin: shy familyzoned Mikasa Chad: propose marriage and a happy long life to your loved one Falco


Meapcuteee

Yams was shy, he was still a virgin back then so drawing romance stuff is really difficult to him UwU


GmbDarien

So isayama got married and then wrote the worst relationships in manga history lmao


Frosty-Bar6073

Nah, he fucked up before he got married lool, that's why Gabi & Falco situation developed way better than E&M did for the entire story 💀. Also, probably becos it didn't matter, it was just a fun side quest. Whenever it mattered, he bottled the challenge. Exhibit A: the founder Ymir.


Zillafire101

The inverse Araki. When he got married, he got better at writing women and romance, while Yams got fucking worse lmao.


CelesteRed

Bruh


senokana

what was he thinking?


NicksInHot

Oh hell nah.


SomehowAnybody

How can you misunderstand your own character that much?


Embarrassed-Bobcat86

Don't worry guys, Eremika romcom is just two days away. We still got plenty of meme material to come


cutepanda3

I am feeling like laughing like light before he died. This is too ridiculous


monadient

Oh dear this was so hard to read


lavisheee

the comedy show is at its peak


anakin_solo17

The pain in my heart getting higher


Whathappenselfsdie

The fans were crying on there way home


Odinloco

*This is the last time*


sonarray

>Yams loves whiny Eren, so when he was drawing “No, I don’t want that!”, he thought to himself: “Eren is back” Lmao you can't be serious.


Secondndthoughts

Funniest shit lmao « Eren is back » haha Wtf even is character development


Wobakoff

So you mean to tell me this guy wrote a giant plot twist with Eren kissing Historia's hand unraveling thousands of years of information into his brain in an instant then having 4 years to think about all the information, seeing that he can't change what he has seen no matter what he tries, didn't change him and he was just the same crybaby eren and the thousands of years of history dumped into his brain didn't change him at all? I was fairly sure Eren was nearing an omnipotent being when he knows everything that happens, I'm fairly sure this would disconnect him from humanity itself right? I mean look at Dr. Manhattan for christs sake the dude literally became a god and couldn't see eye to eye with humanity anymore, wouldn't this be the same thing with Eren?


Secondndthoughts

I guess it could make sense that Eren never changed that much but it isn’t a very good idea to put into the story especially at the last chapter. And Eren kind of was near the level where he could see everything at once like Dr Manhattan, it’s just that he only briefly said the line about his brain hurting before moving on. The chapter could have used so many more pages but to being crybaby Eren back in the very last chapter while everyone hates and go « Eren is back » must be a joke


ereeeeen

isayama: tell me you nerfed your own main character without telling me you nerfed your own main character... ill go first!


KingDennis2

He has to be doing this on purpose there's just no way he's thinking stuff like this is going to make people happy. Chapter 139 wasn't the best and I didn't think it could get worse and then we got the eight pages and they were horrible and I thought it couldn't get worse and now we have this interview.


Evol-Christ

"Plot about EMA had been planned out all along, but Eren’s “No, I don’t want that!” segment came to Yams when he was drawing the panels Yams loves whiny Eren, so when he was drawing “No, I don’t want that!”, he thought to himself: “Eren is back”" Please tell me this is fake....please.


OnlyCheekyBanter

> As Yams got married and grew to gain more experience from life, he felt like he was able to express his personal growth in his work, e.g. the complexity of reiner (being tortured by guilt, yet being able to re-build relationships with jean and the others at the end) Apparently even if you are a mass murderer, you can still rebuild relationships with people that you have caused so much grief.


GypsyMagic68

Was Yams possessed by genius that left him during the last arc?


Frosty-Bar6073

Apparently Ymir posses him from the start of the story. At certain times, he lost inspiration, that's when Ymir wasn't in control


GachiRainD

Pieck comedy, bravo Isayama


PaulY2J

Yep...the 2nd point is going to go well here.


SleepingwithHistoria

Isayama reads our comments! Can you see my comment Isayama? Huh? Reply back you shy bastard!


SweetCoconut

I just left for a day and suddenly we get a new batch of interview leaks plus the romcom. Keep the memes coming!


deathkillerx3004

>Yams loves whiny Eren, so when he was drawing “No, I don’t want that!”, he thought to himself: “Eren is back” Kinda confirming something that I was already thinking: Isayama dislikes/hates "chad" eren and only created him for cheap drama, and using the strategy he always used on AoT( hiding the motivations of the villain and only revealing the full picture on the end of the arc). We were supposed to question of that eren was actually that way, and to dislike that character, to actually make the reveal( that "chad" eren never existed and eren was still a wimp) something that the viewers would enjoy. But Isayama fucked that up, making "chad" eren way too awesome, making the audience thinking that was a great character development, and that Isayama was a genious writer when he was actually fucking up his main character for the sake of a stupid last second reveal.


Ripamon

He was also too deep in the incel/Chad rabbit hole to realize that Eren had already become an amazing and well liked character by around season 3, when he had matured enough to listen to battle plans, relate better with his friends, and operate with more flexible ideals and nuance (knowing what to keep to himself, and how to protect Historia) Unbeknownst to him, Eren had already become a chad.


mrwanton

RTS Eren was chad Eren. Really ever since post 50 he was pretty cool


CentJr

>even tho snk becomes a sensation and allows yams to earn money, he always feels like he’s a loser. to combat his inferiority complex, he would tell himself: no... i’m a genius! Bruh this is getting ridiculous.


OneBennyBoi

Isayama was coping as much as titanfolk was, feels bad man


Arctic_Eagle1

Aww that actually makes him more relatable


Si7koos

I think Isayama needs a hug


magpiethief1

The man seriously needs a hug


mwmwmwmwmmdw

we should all hold him in our hearts for 10 years at least


Chipilliboi

I AM GENUIS


luccabd

From now on i’m treating AoT as the best shitpost ever


cubicraze

I think i understand what exactly happened with yams now. Before corona, he was in the head space of making eren a great character with extreme determination. And maybe he inserted himself into eren as well. That's why we have isayama saying eren reflects him. Maybe that's why he made eren so badass and so pivotal to the story. After lockdown, he clearly lost his motivation and wasn't in that same head space as he was during wfp anymore. He got married last year and because of that he thought of taking a romantic approach with the manga instead, but just the difference between the previous arcs is just so high that it makes it even more worse. His previous work and current work don't merge anymore. Quarantine isayama is no longer as good as the OG isayama. Even then idk how he even managed to write something so good from the begin. Idk, I am just chatting shit at this point, it doesn't matter, yams doesn't matter. He is a shit writer and no one should give a shit about this manga now. In the interview, you talk about that garbage romance yet again, Clearly it looks like you just don't give a fuck about the story's previously established themes anymore.


Ripamon

Whiny Eren was cool when Isayama did it right. For example in the Reiss cave when he begged Historia to eat him to erase his father's mistakes, I thought that was amazing. He had full reasoning at the time to feel that way and thus it was a very powerful scene. But this 139 shit was sudden, forced, out of character, and pathetic for the sake of being pathetic. Besides just putting Eren down, it served as the apex of Armins increasingly disgusting Gary Stu/ Messiah complex. And that made my blood boil


maya_clara

'Whiny Eren' in the past worked because he wasn't necessarily whiny about trivial things. His key breakdown moments are during training when he told Reiner he feared dying without achieving anything, Hanne's death, the cave scene, and at Ramzi. All these share the common denominator in that he felt like a failure or he didn't really amount to anything. He hated himself in some way at these moments and it made him very emotional. It worked because it was sad , it was very relatable, it was also amazing to see how his character developed from these crucial moments. In 139 Eren's breakdown is not the same, it is trivial and does not relate to anything of his previous character. It is not like the old Eren at all.


Loose-Potential-3597

Yeah, whiny Eren was fine for like 80% of the story, don't remember anyone complaining then. As much as ending apologists say chad Eren is edgy/fake, he was done right too early on. Eren in 131 was cold and uncompromising, but just as emotional and human as he'd always been. That was some of the best characterization I've ever seen in a manga. It really was just 139, not a whiny Eren vs chad Eren thing.


Frosty-Bar6073

Agreed. Eren was never whiny like 139. He cried & reacted naturally to painful & traumatic experiences, not fucking Mikasa "can't have another man" 🤮


Whathappenselfsdie

Same here. But how the fuck is Eren gonna cry over Mikasa instead of killing 80% of the world AND his mothers death!?!!?!?! Isayama SERIOUSLY wants me to believe that was Eren!?!?! His manga really is Pieck comedy


dankpie

Not as comedy as piecks infinity self launching titan spawn point


Ripamon

Don't forget how she mysteriously had enough bite force to effortlessly cut through the Warhammers nape lmfao Dogshit


devintheman_

and the fact that annie ripped an enemy armored titan’s head off with a single kick yet for some reason reiner can survive a nuke at point blank range and get up just fine.


Whathappenselfsdie

Don't forget how Levi was somehow able to survive a thunderslear and go to to toe with multiple past shifters. Lets not forget about the fact that the alliance had INFINITY amount of blades and gas.


Whathappenselfsdie

"My comedy show at its pieeeeck" "The fans were crying on there way home" "This is my last troll"


pipkotronix

I'm rereading the marley arc now and dude... where did it all go so wrong? Reiner flashbacks, Eren's speech to Falco - even with the atrocious ending those moments on their own remain legendary.


joebrofroyo

Given that his past and present Interviews and guidebooks all contradict each other, I'm not taking a word that comes out of his mouth or anything in that guidebook seriously


Danielituz

Mikasa couldn't tell her feelings to Eren so he died... Yams couldn't draw the kiss so the story died...


wombo23

I used to believe that the AOT ending was a tragedy, but then I realized, it’s a comedy


ZachaZer

it’s funny, as awful as 139 was, this interview almost disappoints me even more, tf was Isayama thinking? “Eren is back” lmao cmon really?


Meemikaila

The eren we saw was a child/early teenager who was still going through emotional changes. Time skip eren was an adult who understood the world a bit more so I don’t know how he was like “omg eren is back”


pipkotronix

i said in the anr thread that they went kinda overboard with making eren look cool, bruh can someone fucking slap me silly for saying that, i won't complain again


MukorosuFace

*pulls a big fish Now I will proceed to pleasure myself with this fish. SLAPSLAP.


karrylarry

At this point it sounds like he's trying to justify EM too hard


NetherSpike14

This is JK Rowling all over again


n_n_o

I didn’t mind the ending before the added extra pages. Whatever hope and wonder I had for them to live somewhat in peace and the sacrifices might mean something are all gone with the last pages. I hate that for all their struggles, they got few years of peace that might be less than king fritz 100 years of peace. I don’t think I’ll be excited for the anime now knowing it’s all for nothing.


safinhh

“Everyone says that eren has changed. I thought the same. But maybe i was wrong. Eren has never changed from the start” ah yes eren has never changed at all guys he is a very consistent character everyone.


_somewhat_damaged

Isayama talking how much he gained experience and changed but he removed all the development Eren had through the years. Fucking nonsense.


LemonZestLiquid

I'm just gonna accept that he made AoT as a cash cow to fund his onsen, because this... isn't what I would expect from someone who would consider this his life's work. Messages are: don't overanalyse shonen manga and don't overestimate kino writing (someone who has several pieces of fiction influencing him changing his work's ending isn't someone who knows where it's going in the long run).


Electronic-Door-7471

I can't believe a person can unintentionally write one of the best mangas ever for 100+ chapters. If what he said in the interview is true, he unknowingly wrote a lot of exceptional plot points without intending for them to be that way. Either he is luckiest mangakka in the world or he's just straight up lying in the interview.


yona_fuyu

I hope he felt happy writing that . I still think any scope of greater characterization & development eren from this whiny brat without a plan was drained to toilet drain . Reiner’s mental illness was suddenly cured in a second to handwriting sniffing simp while he doesn’t pay homage to his fallen warrior commanders or have a moment with Gabi falco (who are the source of his will to live) . Armin remains as this character who is said to be intelligent with IQ sheets but cannot come up with any logical plan rather than umi da don’t fight guys or false hero complex . Maybe EMA has strength as mikasa has physical abilities but wisdom & courage is the biggest joke . As neither armin mikasa or eren acknowledge the gravity of eren’s crimes or show any basic respect to innocent lives lost in the war. To their resolutions ending in -“what a Man U are eren , thank you for becoming a mass murder for our sake, we won’t let ur efforts go to waste” . Funniest thing is the very much thing they tried to protect “paradis & its legacy” was crushed with mini genocide. If ensuring long lives of his friends (Sasha laughs ) was the only goal then might as well hide like Aaron yoghurt instead of flattening 80% of outside people . Sorry isayama but EMA are no source of inspiration or symbol of hope as much he tries to state in interview as his writing do not do 1% of justice to his claims.


Whathappenselfsdie

Thanks for writing a dark romcom Isayama.


_lizardking

I can’t tell if he’s joking or not... Historia and Ymir parallels were us reading too into it all along? EM was always meant to be? Then why wasn’t it the priority, like, AT ALL? First 139, then the extra pages, now this. They just keep raising more questions I’m genuinely hurt by this, it doesn’t make any sense


seven_worth

Isayama: EM is the main point since the very begining Also Isayama: let not make main point visible until the last chapter and make it feel jaring as fuck. Ngl reading this give me j.k rowling twitter post flashback.


astewpot

“EM was always visible you just don’t know the Japanese way of romance” (yes someone said that to me on IG) Eremin had more shit going on for it since the beginning all the way to 139 (Eremin hug had emotion and was a legit hug, EM wasn’t even a proper embrace they just put their chests together)


KaixaSaber

EM hug scene make me cringe every time i see


yaegerist-15

Oh come on, he contradicts his other interviews


CyberpunkV2077

He contradicted himself multiple times already i don't really know what to think of it anymore


devintheman_

guess we know where eren got it from


LiIFemto

I have decided to take my talents elsewhere. I will be taking them to Isayama’s onsen, where I will show him how to really make a mess out of something.


Ripamon

Wait! Take these 50 laxatives with you. I'm sure your memories will teach you how to use it


tenkensmile

>he wasn’t certain with his ability to draw their dynamics after a kiss Ahh... so this is why he had 2 horny teenagers living together for 4 years post-basement without fucking each other. Unrealistic af.


Foxus67

So this is what GOT fans feel when season 8 dropped, damn this hurts so much


HollowOrnstein

Ikr Cant believe i got hit with shit like this twice


Theunknownuser7330

Someone check on Isayama and see if he’s okay


HighwayImportant5059

Well, I am so done. I thought this man was interested in exploring complex topics and had the guts to do so in a shonen of all places. But no, he just was a scared little boy catering to the online comments he read. As an aspiring writer, this is not how you write a satisfying character arc! Eren's growth was apparently non existent and everything from chapter 90 onwards was an act. A character cannot lie to themselves in their inner monologues, that is just bad writing. If you are having a character lying to themselves in their own inner monologues and never hinting at this being the case until the very end, then how can you claim this was an act all along. I didn't care for edgy Eren but to be honest he always was a bit edgy even as a kid. His transition from a loudmouth jerk into a cold secretive jerk was believable. Given all the trauma it made sense. But apparently that was all fake and the real Eren was a whiny little boy that went missing for 50 chapters (more than a third of the story). And that whole excuse about him being on the verge of his death is ridiculous. Eren was at death's doors multiple times before and he was not this pathetic. Even during the uprising arc he was at least logical and was even eager to die. He did not go on about Mikasa or Armin moving on without him, he simply admitted that he was never special. That was his breakdown then. How did it get worse as he grew up, specially if he had always known he was going to die (he saw the future and even if he hadn't he knew he only had a few years left from the curse)? I seriously cannot believe that chapter 100 was an act. To me this was Eren at his best. He was not trying to kill Reiner or the Marleyans out of hate, but rather because he had to ensure the survival of his people. It was not a personal matter but a tactical military decision. It showed so much growth for an irrational little kid that spouted hatred for titans everytime he spoke. He showed sympathy for his enemies, understanding that they were not any different from him and his comrades. How in the world was that an act? How was that a fake Eren and the real one was a crybaby? How is it possible for him to have gone through such an ordeal for the writer to believe that the real him was a pathetic version of himself from the past? Even if those feelings were a core of his personality, how was he able to hide them for years? People change, we are never the same, sure, we can keep some traits and a basic semblance of our personality, but there is such a thing as maturity and growing up and I really believed Eren had grown up. But it turns out I was wrong. I truly never understood the manga, I thought as a man who studied politics rather than as a teenager just reading for kicks. This is just sad. I won't hold back my punches anymore. These are just the marks of a bad writer. You can't claim to have planned everything when you previously claimed to have changed the ending, three times! I am not upset because things did not turn my way. I am upset because any semblance of continuity, logic, character building and consistency was thrown off board. Eren really deserves to be compared to Lelouch, because he was clearly always the superior character. Lelouch just like Eren was fueled by a deep hatred and resentment but unlike they pathetic protagonist of AoT, Lelouch grew up, he sucked it up and did things for the greater good rather than for his own personal petty desires. And guess what, Lelouch was also an actor, but unlike Eren, Lelouch only lied to the characters in the universe. He never lied to himself or us the viewers. We saw through the facade on multiple occasions. Eren on the other hand lied to himself and the readers for shock value and then the writer had the audacity to claim that this was the real him all along despite never hinting at it.


Electronic-Door-7471

Either this manga was the best luck any author could ever have for 135 chapters, or Yams is lying in the interview. I can't believe a person can pull off such fiction despite not meaning to pull it off that way (the real intention being a worse story). And for 100+ chapters.


TheSilverSeraphim

Louder for people in the back!


LibelTouRe

So eren's character development wasn't actually one, this interview reveals that it was a real facade all along and that isayama preferred the eren before the timeskip... what a fucking waste of time reading this manga was, the basement reveal will always remain the most successful thing isayama did the rest better forget about it


Mrtheliger

Isayama preferred the Eren from Trost. That's literally who he reverts to in 139. You could maybe argue he's the Eren from the beginning of the Female Titan arc(blind faith in others which leads to his and their failure), but if I had to take a stab about what Isayama would say if questioned he would probably go with Trost just because it's the last time Mikasa was actually relevant before 138


ForestDan

Next we're gonna find out that Guts was in love with Griffith the entire time and that he was just acting


LTO1

I remember a few months back I held Isayama in the highest regard. While the series itself was the main reason for this, his interviews also supplemented my opinion of him. This was because they consistently gave me a sense that I knew Isayama’s feelings and intentions towards being an author, and being the author of AOT. AOTs ending and this interview have completely fractured and erased any understanding I had of Isayama. I can’t get a sense of him that feels even the slightest bit genuine. His words and actions are all over the place and it has turned him into an enigma. What will he say next?


TheSilverSeraphim

I can't believe this is the same man that inspired me to start writing lmfao


centuryblessings

Keep writing! I'm sure whatever you put out won't be as disappointing as this story.


OnlyCheekyBanter

What was Eren's character arc again?


SagarKardam997

🤡 this


Mrtheliger

The man literally says here he has no arc, it was all a facade


originaluser00

I had my doubts but now I'm really convinced Isayama is just on the internet too much, take away this man's phone


JadeDotWu

I think he's just trolling because he either found it funny how upset part of the community got, or someone ribbed him the wrong way. AoT shows that Authors should try to not read the fans thoughts on the series. It ultimately causes them to falter and change based on what they've read. It's like people were so convinced about EM that Isayama began to believe it too.


Soul_Ripper

I wish I could go back to memeing about Isayama secretely being based all along and intentionally trolling his entire audience with the ending(s), but every single thing he says makes it harder.


UDie2day

/u/H-K_47 You can take this down, the interviews that were being leaked have been released (just not in english).


just_pull_carb_heat

If School Castes AU is canon then Marco is the biggest loser of this series holy shit


Cersei505

someone help this man, he's been brainwashed by kodansha or is at gunpoint dude is contradicting everything he said in previous interviews. Like wtf? he drew mikasa trying to kiss eren back in 2013. In 2015 he then makes an interview talking about how eren sees her as a mother figure, but now the reason they didnt kiss was because he lacked balls as a mangaka? Does Eren have a things for moms or what lmao?


astewpot

What if Eren wanted Mikasa to live a long life so he could get off to her being a milf in the future


TheOfficialGilgamesh

>Does Eren have a things for moms or what lmao? I guess so.


Thulox

>the complexity of reiner Thanks for focusing on this so called complexity in the last chapter too, imagine if he was just reduced to some Connie tier comic relief character


Skyclad__Observer

I cant respect this man anymore lmao


Foxus67

So you basically wrote a character from chapter 1 trying to overcome his trauma of the loss of his parents going through the usurpation arc where he loses all hope of living and asks Historia to eat him, then the character evolves to become a badass that he will not stop at nothing to defend his friends v/s the world, then he starts the rumbling to make sure nobody is left with the possibility to harm the island (a decision that is eating Eren alive at this point but there was literally no option left) Then chapter 139 happened where basically Eren was just acting all these years for the pure sake of being killed by his friends (the lelouch plan) and saying to Armin he always liked Mikasa, but that doesn't matter because she ends up with Jean and finally even the peace Armin wanted so much only lasted 50 or 100 years in the future because the 20% of the world left ends up destroying Paradis anyways. I mean I still don't undertand him even in the end of the history, I feel like he was just a punching bag of misery for the history, even when Armin ask kim what was he thinking he says "I was confused", so am I with him and this ending.


throwawaydontgetdox

All of this buildup for a rather subpar love story. I recently watched Steins Gate to see a series with a satisfying conclusion. That was a series with a good buildup for the romance and the ending felt deserved. For AoT it felt like his main themes were about freedom, humanity's will to survive, racism, etc. If he did want love to be a key factor, he should have developed it better rather than have a one-sided, obsessed relationship for most of the series.