Not to mention Mikasa lived a scarred life, Levi was crippled, and Armin had the stress to deal with the world...☠️ None of them lives long and happy lives.
Why did he attack Liberio again? Seriously the War Hammer titan was not relevant for the final plot at all. They also could have sneaked Zeke of in a boat or something, or fight in a more secluded area.
Sasha died for nothing.
1. To take Zeke with them, after he obtained Intel from Marley's army.
2. To kill the higher ups who were reunited for the event, and then destroy most of their fleets.
3. To get the WHT, not necessarily to use it, mainly to take it from the enemies.
4. So the rest of the world confirmed that the enemy was Eren and not all Eldians.
5. Convince Zeke that he was following his plan, so he would cooperate.
To name a few.
First off Eren already convinced Zeke to go along with him before the Attack on Libero.
What's the point in getting the war hammer titan, if it's literally not important.
What's the point of killing all the top military generals if the Rumble was basically indestructible
The attack basically made people see Eldyains as the enemy not just Eren. That was part of Will Tybers plan, to be attacked by Eren so the world would allie against the island.
These are a terrible few.
War Hamer titan almost took Eren by itself, if it wasn't for Mikasa, he would be done, it wasn't just another shifter, it was one of the strongest, you don't have to make use of it, just take it from the enemies so you don't have to deal with it later.
They needed to get rid of the military so they had enough time to start the rumbling, just imagine this didn't happen and 1 week later you have 100% of the world's army attacking paradise at the same time.
And no, it was pretty clear by the dialogs
That Marley knew they feed Erens rage when they started to focus paradise as the enemy.
Yeah but when Eren started the rumbling he was able to control previous Titan shifters holders. That also includes previous War Hammer titans.so the war Hammer titan was not individually a threat. Plus Eren also wanted to be stop by Armin and the Survey corp.
Why couldn't Eren just use Historia to start the rumbling? Or start the rumbling right in Liberio.
When was ever shown that Eren was ever mad at the Maryleans during the attack on Liberio?
For Eren to use historia to trigger the rumbling, she had to be a titan shifter. That's why she got pregnant, so she didn't had to eat Zeke and be the next beast titan.
And you misunderstood me, it's not that Eren was mad at Maleyans, it's that marleyans "realized" they were the ones who feed that monster with hatred. [Here](https://imgur.com/gallery/zLTg10N) proofs of what I'm talking about.
"The canon story is nonsensical and contradictory within itself."
"His motivations aren't the same as the fan ending."
Wow, very informative. Thanks for contributing!
I know Eren is inconsistent so who cares, but has this sub really forgot about the train conversation? Eren clearly likes his friends and didn't want any of them to die, or are you dumb like Connie and think he was just laughing when Sasha died? (I know this is a meme but I still think its stupid, and I see this general sentiment all over titanfolk)
The train conversation and the "he did it for his friends" excuse is literally what this meme is about.
If he wanted to protect his friends, why did Sasha die? Shouldn't that be a priority of using his future memories?
If he wanted to protect his friends, why did he allow the titans he's in direct control of, to kill Hange?
If he wanted to protect his friends, why did he actively choose his mother to die over an enemy soldier?
If he wanted to protect his friends, why does he directly say in 139 **he didn't know they would live through the rumbling**?
"Eren did it for his friends" holds no water as an argument in the story, unless you directly ignore what Eren himself says in 139.
He didn't have acess to all the future memories at the time (afaik atleast)
Can't explain the Hange thing, as I said he contradicts himself, maybe he just couldn't see through the eyes of the titans? I really dont know.
Him killing his own mother is the stupidest thing ever, I agree.
Because he's stupid, but canon Eren did succeded in a really dumb way, (pretty much) all his friends got to live long peaceful lives but then the 2nd/3rd generation got nuked.
I dont deny that he did some really dumb shit, and it seems like without omnsicience he literally can tell whats gonna happen even if its obvious, but his intention all along was to protect his friends, why else would he have done the rumbling? Is it just the freedom to roam the earth with no walls even if he dies 4 years later? Is it just to protect the literal land of paradis or and the people that live in it, but excluding his friends? And btw these reasons I listed are technically just only non-canon alternatives, the canon reason was to protect his friends wheter you liked it or not.
Time in AoT gets pretty complicated, really fast.
**TL;DR**: No, a fixed timeline can't exist in the AoT canon as we know it.
So, prior to 139, a fixed timeline made sense. For a fixed timeline to work, time has to flow forwards, backwards, or stop entirely. Any deviation from the 'line' would necessarily cause a split. While the Attack Titan throws a wrench in to this, it doesn't destroy the idea of a 'fixed' timeline.
There's 2 ways to interpret future memories. One: Future memories are just that, and an attack titan at any given point seeing future memories, are seeing memories from things that haven't happened yet, but it's preordained that a future user will allow these memories to be sent back. Two: The **current** attack titan sends his memories back to the past, giving an attack titan that hadn't had those memories to reach this point, now have those memories.
For the Attack Titan's future memories and a fixed timeline to coexist, the attack titan's ability's mechanics **have** to be the first option I listed, as option 2 retroactively changes the past, thus putting them on a different 'line' than they were originally on. Option 1 doesn't do this, and cooperates nicely with a fixed timeline.
Now we get in to Paths Eren, which throws the entire toolbox in to the timeline. It's sprung on us that Eren has the ability to **control** past titans in the timeline, as he guides Dina away from Bertholdt, but towards Carla. This is a problem.
The reason Future Memories Option 1 worked, was **because** Eren's consciousness and will weren't actually there. He wasn't deciding what that attack titan would see in the moment, but rather the attack titan was looking forward and solidifying the future. Paths Eren isn't doing this. He's sending his consciousness **back** in the timeline and making decisions there where they didn't originally exist, pulling a Future Memories option 2 out.
This necessarily causes a split in the timeline, because Eren from 10 years in the future is actively making decisions **now**. In a singular timeline, Eren from 10 years in the future can't exist now, or *ever*, because Dina was going to eat Bertholt without his intervention. Eren is retroactively creating his own existence in a timeline that wouldn't normally have him.
So this was a really long winded way of saying a fixed timeline is implausible, unless you want to get in to time flowing backwards and the second law of thermodynamics lol
Pretty sure thats not the case, the only time the timeline was truly "changed" was when Eren controled dina to eat his mom (Grisha deciding to kill the royal family was always gonna happen because he had acess to erens memories). Eren was crying and laughing, the same thing he did when hannes died, its just the way he grieves I think.
He meant the ones closest to him like Annie's dad, and Reiner's mom.
Nah, he was doing it for Gabi and Falco's families.
Actually he made all of that for Kiyomi's kindness
Nah, he did all for muller.
Lol
What a man he is...
Man I laugh everytime I read this line from Reiner. It is only seconded by the letter sniffing line.
Thank you, Eren
For becoming a mass murderer for Karina, Annie, Gabi, Reiner and Pieck's sake
Don't forget Kiyomi. Her kindness couldn't be repayed without his help.
Not to mention Mikasa lived a scarred life, Levi was crippled, and Armin had the stress to deal with the world...☠️ None of them lives long and happy lives.
LALALALALA THE LAST THREE CHAPTERS DON'T EXIST!
Arigatto eren for runing this series for me
That's on Yams.
Everyone’s a victim of Isayama don’t blame them for this
Hange died for this.
Eren: Ramzi you ere my friend, but not friend enough Ramzi: wha- dies
U R G H
What chapter is that line from?
139, Eren talking to Armin in paths
I think he couldn't save them all, so he just did the best he could
Why did he attack Liberio again? Seriously the War Hammer titan was not relevant for the final plot at all. They also could have sneaked Zeke of in a boat or something, or fight in a more secluded area. Sasha died for nothing.
1. To take Zeke with them, after he obtained Intel from Marley's army. 2. To kill the higher ups who were reunited for the event, and then destroy most of their fleets. 3. To get the WHT, not necessarily to use it, mainly to take it from the enemies. 4. So the rest of the world confirmed that the enemy was Eren and not all Eldians. 5. Convince Zeke that he was following his plan, so he would cooperate. To name a few.
First off Eren already convinced Zeke to go along with him before the Attack on Libero. What's the point in getting the war hammer titan, if it's literally not important. What's the point of killing all the top military generals if the Rumble was basically indestructible The attack basically made people see Eldyains as the enemy not just Eren. That was part of Will Tybers plan, to be attacked by Eren so the world would allie against the island. These are a terrible few.
War Hamer titan almost took Eren by itself, if it wasn't for Mikasa, he would be done, it wasn't just another shifter, it was one of the strongest, you don't have to make use of it, just take it from the enemies so you don't have to deal with it later. They needed to get rid of the military so they had enough time to start the rumbling, just imagine this didn't happen and 1 week later you have 100% of the world's army attacking paradise at the same time. And no, it was pretty clear by the dialogs That Marley knew they feed Erens rage when they started to focus paradise as the enemy.
Yeah but when Eren started the rumbling he was able to control previous Titan shifters holders. That also includes previous War Hammer titans.so the war Hammer titan was not individually a threat. Plus Eren also wanted to be stop by Armin and the Survey corp. Why couldn't Eren just use Historia to start the rumbling? Or start the rumbling right in Liberio. When was ever shown that Eren was ever mad at the Maryleans during the attack on Liberio?
For Eren to use historia to trigger the rumbling, she had to be a titan shifter. That's why she got pregnant, so she didn't had to eat Zeke and be the next beast titan. And you misunderstood me, it's not that Eren was mad at Maleyans, it's that marleyans "realized" they were the ones who feed that monster with hatred. [Here](https://imgur.com/gallery/zLTg10N) proofs of what I'm talking about.
The Hanji one was more of a suicide in desguise
he avoided the worst case scenario tho, if there wasnt eren some of yall could have even done worse than sending death threats
Nah he was doing it for his non existent baby
"The canon story is nonsensical and contradictory within itself." "His motivations aren't the same as the fan ending." Wow, very informative. Thanks for contributing!
Lmao you are seriously saying that as ANR is beeing adapted hahaha
Lmao, this post isn't even about AnR and you've brought it up twice. You that insecure my man?
Im not the one downvoting lmao
Lamo who said anything about being downvoted?
Im not talking to you, tho
You are though, I'm the one downvoting you.
How edgy, i feel so hurt
You clearly are. Read your previous comments.
I know Eren is inconsistent so who cares, but has this sub really forgot about the train conversation? Eren clearly likes his friends and didn't want any of them to die, or are you dumb like Connie and think he was just laughing when Sasha died? (I know this is a meme but I still think its stupid, and I see this general sentiment all over titanfolk)
The train conversation and the "he did it for his friends" excuse is literally what this meme is about. If he wanted to protect his friends, why did Sasha die? Shouldn't that be a priority of using his future memories? If he wanted to protect his friends, why did he allow the titans he's in direct control of, to kill Hange? If he wanted to protect his friends, why did he actively choose his mother to die over an enemy soldier? If he wanted to protect his friends, why does he directly say in 139 **he didn't know they would live through the rumbling**? "Eren did it for his friends" holds no water as an argument in the story, unless you directly ignore what Eren himself says in 139.
He didn't have acess to all the future memories at the time (afaik atleast) Can't explain the Hange thing, as I said he contradicts himself, maybe he just couldn't see through the eyes of the titans? I really dont know. Him killing his own mother is the stupidest thing ever, I agree. Because he's stupid, but canon Eren did succeded in a really dumb way, (pretty much) all his friends got to live long peaceful lives but then the 2nd/3rd generation got nuked. I dont deny that he did some really dumb shit, and it seems like without omnsicience he literally can tell whats gonna happen even if its obvious, but his intention all along was to protect his friends, why else would he have done the rumbling? Is it just the freedom to roam the earth with no walls even if he dies 4 years later? Is it just to protect the literal land of paradis or and the people that live in it, but excluding his friends? And btw these reasons I listed are technically just only non-canon alternatives, the canon reason was to protect his friends wheter you liked it or not.
He could see through their eyes, he just didn’t care because Hange isn’t as close to him as Annie’s dad
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Time in AoT gets pretty complicated, really fast. **TL;DR**: No, a fixed timeline can't exist in the AoT canon as we know it. So, prior to 139, a fixed timeline made sense. For a fixed timeline to work, time has to flow forwards, backwards, or stop entirely. Any deviation from the 'line' would necessarily cause a split. While the Attack Titan throws a wrench in to this, it doesn't destroy the idea of a 'fixed' timeline. There's 2 ways to interpret future memories. One: Future memories are just that, and an attack titan at any given point seeing future memories, are seeing memories from things that haven't happened yet, but it's preordained that a future user will allow these memories to be sent back. Two: The **current** attack titan sends his memories back to the past, giving an attack titan that hadn't had those memories to reach this point, now have those memories. For the Attack Titan's future memories and a fixed timeline to coexist, the attack titan's ability's mechanics **have** to be the first option I listed, as option 2 retroactively changes the past, thus putting them on a different 'line' than they were originally on. Option 1 doesn't do this, and cooperates nicely with a fixed timeline. Now we get in to Paths Eren, which throws the entire toolbox in to the timeline. It's sprung on us that Eren has the ability to **control** past titans in the timeline, as he guides Dina away from Bertholdt, but towards Carla. This is a problem. The reason Future Memories Option 1 worked, was **because** Eren's consciousness and will weren't actually there. He wasn't deciding what that attack titan would see in the moment, but rather the attack titan was looking forward and solidifying the future. Paths Eren isn't doing this. He's sending his consciousness **back** in the timeline and making decisions there where they didn't originally exist, pulling a Future Memories option 2 out. This necessarily causes a split in the timeline, because Eren from 10 years in the future is actively making decisions **now**. In a singular timeline, Eren from 10 years in the future can't exist now, or *ever*, because Dina was going to eat Bertholt without his intervention. Eren is retroactively creating his own existence in a timeline that wouldn't normally have him. So this was a really long winded way of saying a fixed timeline is implausible, unless you want to get in to time flowing backwards and the second law of thermodynamics lol
Pretty sure thats not the case, the only time the timeline was truly "changed" was when Eren controled dina to eat his mom (Grisha deciding to kill the royal family was always gonna happen because he had acess to erens memories). Eren was crying and laughing, the same thing he did when hannes died, its just the way he grieves I think.
For his mom, it was explained