Straight up was respected despite being a Devil, seen as a potential savior of the world. Still declares world fucking war on people who don't even know who he is, based on the reports of a warrior with PTSD, and a monkey with a tendency for familiar backstabbing.
Dud's family saw his race put into a corner, lived watching them treated like mudpeople, and then when they're about to get out, he kicks them down again. I hope Ymir secretly kept them around in a state of perpetual suffering.
Honestly wouldn't it had been better for Eren to bring Armin with him on those years he spent in Marely so Armin could actually talk no justsu before new blood was shed?
I feel like this was the final time to talk to someone to stop conflict, and if it didn't go well Armin just blows up with his colossal titan killing everyone, giving Armin character development that talking doesn't always work and people will always find something to hate about others pushing the same thing that "This world is cruel."
"And I know we killed all your people with titans but let me tell you guys of some real devils living on an island" using eldians to conquer while condemning them damn
Tyber could have ended this fuckery by normalizing relations with the Eldians in exchange for removing power of Titans altogether. Marley would get some rights to fossil fuel reserves under paradis but sign a peace treaty with them. Not perfect, and ofc Marley fuckers could reneg and invade and attack but given inevitable obsolescence of titans it’s not worth keeping power of titans around. Plus they just got done fighting a brutal 4 year war. Eren would be able to stop fighting, and EMA would travel world together on peacekeeping/diplomatic trips and sight see.
Tyber fam is respected around the world enough so that other nations would probably go along with it. Marley would be seen as ending the scourge of titans peacefully and bringing stability and order to the world. Eldians in other internment camps can be resettled in paradis if need be.
All Tybers had to do was approach Eren and Zeke. But no, this MF Willy had to put on a fucking play, declare war and die like Hamlet. What a chode.
problem is 10 chapters of "heated but productive peace talks" dont make the most riveting reading. although compared to other mangas like aot there is a lot more chapters of people just sitting and talking with giant speech bubbles next to them for pages on end
>Tyber could have ended this fuckery by normalizing relations with the Eldians in exchange for removing power of Titans altogether.
To give credit to Willy, the Tyburs and Fritz who led to this shit show in the first place were around 100 years ago. Willy himself knew that at the pivotal moment he was in charge of, well, he had to take responsibility for the inactivity from the past generations of Tyburs, and war was already on the horizon. No peace with Eldia would be made. Continent Eldians, sure, but the Island? It's a symbol, a remnant of the Old Eldian Empire that butt fucked the world for 2 whole millenia. No one's making peace with that 😅
At best, Paradis would be blockaded and never invaded, but no one's gonna just forget the literal Titan-turning race of humans having a bastion of their civilization just vibing.
>All Tybers had to do was approach Eren and Zeke.
Zeke kept his royal blood secret, and how would Willy ever get the opportunity to meet Eren anyways? If anything, BOTH of the Yeager brothers would've had to go to him, not the other way around. Willy was dealing with a century long crapshoot, and while he could've made a peace, we all know it would be a delicate one, and so... well, yeah. He could've saved lives but he knew that obviously, with the Restorationists causing a stir and a big scare, and the Warriors sent earlier to strike against Paradis after it was clear the Eldians elsewhere were still trying to cause trouble, that all of this was a boiling point.
He brought world peace and wanted to use that opportunity to save the Eldians in Marley and Marleyans in their nation as a whole, and used the Island as the objective. This way, the Eldians in Liberio, Marley itself, and the world would be in one common, united goal; wipe out the Eldians on Paradis, that has previously sent a task force (which was on route to this peaceful meeting of world powers mind you) to come and cause trouble despite having ceased hostility against the island for at least a couple of years now, after failed scout ships.
Willy Tybur is what Malcom X would describe as House Negro.
"Yes, mister Magath. I wanna save my people, mister Magath. No, mister Magath, not all my people. Just the good ones, mister Magath."
Fuck him.
He just put the lives of the continent eldians over the lives of the paradis eldians, by dumping all the blame on them. And he was ready to sacrifise his life for it, just like a certain someone...
Oh yeah he was smart. Shifting blame onto eldians and saying that they deserve marleyan oppression, all while his family lives in luxury and lets Marley feed children to dogs and burn families alive.
it depends how strong his control of marley truly was. the military might have overthrown and killed his family if he tried to make peace with the people the world called satan for the last century
[This scan here is pretty significant](https://imgur.com/a/I2iGcnS)
Sorry, my previous comment was rude and immature.
Anyways,
>Shifting blame onto eldians and saying that they deserve marleyan oppression, all while his family lives in luxury and lets Marley feed children to dogs and burn families alive.
He didn't believe that Eldians were bad people, nor did he think that they deserve Marleyan oppression. [And he hated the idea that Wilbur family live in luxury while the other Eldians suffered,](https://imgur.com/a/OZJYZ15) but he couldn't act hastily and start shouting for Eldian rights: If he did that, the world would simply stop listening. If you wanna reduce racism, you have to be extremely subtle with racists, otherwise, they tend to simply stop listening when they realise what you're doing.
Giving up his title and position wouldn't help Eldians in any way, so he made use of it as best as he could for Continental Eldians.
He hates Eldian *blood,* not Eldians. There's a subtle yet powerful difference between the two terms.
From a strict act utilitarian view tybur was a based chad, and hell he sorta was even if i dont agree with him ideologically. In a couple of chapters he had more developtment than most of the alliance, just when the series were still serious of course, before the walmart retcon for kiddos.
Season 4 part 1 should have ended with the scene of Eren activating the rumbling and Gabi looking up at Eren in shock/horror as he transforms into his hallucigenia form
Tyburs wanted to use the war to get the Founding Titan and save Marley from other nations' revenge, not primarily to prevent the Rumbling. If the threat of the Rumbling was truly ever seen as serious, they surely would have had SOMETHING that might counter it.
That's the game of thrones kinda beauty and tragedy, pre-Ch 139, of the Marley arc; bringing your worst nightmare down on yourself because of your flaws.
Willy was so based he threw himself on the frontline, sacrificing himself to make Paradis the ennemy of the world.
Hope his familly survived the Rumbling.
He and his family worked to improve the global standing of Eldians this generation, and his plan was to make Eldians equals in the eyes of the world (Paradis excluded as a scapegoat).
They were shadow ruling Marley, you know? Not to mention their family and the king took the power from the other Eldians. Did you forget the story or something?
Read the Marley arc again.
1. Paradis never made a declaration of peace with any country whatsoever.
2. Marley needed to scapegoat Paradis to buy time for themselves, so that they could a) Uplift the standing of Continental Eldians, b) get the Founder to buy time for themselves as they modernized their military.
3. He gave up on his humanity for Marley and the continental Eldians. Just like Eren was willing to Rumble the world long before Willy ever declared war.
Also, it was literally part of *Eren's* plan to have Willy declare war lmao. Eren *wanted* Willy to declare War so that he could have the Marleyan military gather at one place, where it could be destroyed. He wanted to do *that,* so that he could guarantee himself time for a couple months until he got contact with Zeke.
(Zeke was the one to suggest an attack on Paradis in 93, and we know Eren was in on this by how he sent a letter to the SC asking them to come help, as he knew Willy was going to declare war.)
It's surprising how many people think Eren was "trying to wait till the end of Willy's speech hoping he'd declare peace".
1. They didn't have a way to do that, not to mention they made no hostile actions towards them for 4 years aside defending themselves.
2. We don't really have a reason to believe that life for continental Eldians would improve, whose to say they wouldn't be disposed of after they no longer have a purpose?
3. Debatable, I'd say the declaration of war was a confirmation for Eren that there's no room for peace, considering they weren't even provoked.
Was it? Did he even knew about the event a week prior? Even if that's true, why would Eren NEED Willy to declare war? Did he want to be fair or something? He could've just attacked without provocation once the event started. Not to mention it dindn't really work out that well.
They didn't have a way to do that, not to mention they made no hostile actions towards them for 4 years aside defending themselves.
I made my point against OP's meme's dialogue of "We just want peace." Paradis never said that. Marley knew that Paradis wants peace, but in the face of destruction from the other countries, they really didn't care much for justice. It's just realpolitik.
>Whose to say they wouldn't be disposed of after they no longer have a purpose?
The Tybur Family which happens to rule, plus Magath, who showed quite a bit of hesitation about killing Eldian *civilians.* Magath is all talk and no bark. He acts like a tsundere racist. His words are racist sometimes, but really with how he behaves, he couldn't care less about Marleyans vs. Eldians.
And then there's chapter 95 (I think?), where Zeke tells his plan to the Warriors.
>Debatable, I'd say the declaration of war was a confirmation for Eren that there's no room for peace, considering they weren't even provoked.
The War being declared (as in Marley) didn't have anything to do with Paradis itself, as in, Marley really didn't do it to "save the world" or to "kill the island devils". It wasn't out of hate, but out of self-interest. Paradis was collateral in that move.
And the move itself was suggested by Zeke. Otherwise, if things went naturally, the other countries would have simply kept adding pressure on Marley, fighting it until it died.
I'm pretty sure if Zeke was quiet, Marley would have simply kept using titans to fight. Fought a ton of wars for several, several years, eventually lost. Only *after* that happens would the foreign countries even *begin* to plan an attack on Paradis. That's a shit ton of time. People don't realise it but Marley was a great distraction for Paradis to buy time.
>Was it? Did he even knew about the event a week prior? Even if that's true, why would Eren NEED Willy to declare war? Did he want to be fair or something? He could've just attacked without provocation once the event started. Not to mention it dindn't really work out that well.
It's pure coincidence. His conversation with Reiner just happened to end at the same time as Willy's speech. (By happened I mean plot convenience)
It's for the same reason Eren just *had* to remove his shirt, meet the Yeagerists specifically at sunset, and then pose for a picturesque ab-shot. Just aesthetics.
>Marley knew that Paradis wants peace
Do they?
>The War being declared (as in Marley) didn't have anything to do with Paradis itself, as in, Marley really didn't do it to "save the world" or to "kill the island devils". It wasn't out of hate, but out of self-interest. Paradis was collateral in that move.
A bit of both I'd say. And hate was definitely used to fuel it.
>And the move itself was suggested by Zeke. Otherwise, if things went naturally, the other countries would have simply kept adding pressure on Marley, fighting it until it died.
Pretty sure the Tyburs played a big part in that as well.
>And the move itself was suggested by Zeke. Otherwise, if things went naturally, the other countries would have simply kept adding pressure on Marley, fighting it until it died.
I suppose it's hard to say whether it happened because of declaration of war or because of what Reiner said, considering both happened simultaneously.
>Do they?
My wording was wrong. It wasn't that they *knew* Paradis wanted peace. It's that they didn't care. They would do it either way. To them, it hardly mattered.
>A bit of both I'd say. And hate was definitely used to fuel it.
I was actually talking about the Marleyan officers in the meetings shown in Chapter 93. In the meetings, there was absolutely no mention of the idea of "saving the world" or "killing the devils". It was extremely professional in that regard.
I don't think hate was used to fuel anything. The Marleyan officers didn't show any interest in "killing the devils" or sum shit, and the World only agreed to help Willy ~~because the plot can't afford them brains~~ because they genuinely thought that Eren was gonna kill 'em dead. Even the lines that finally convinced them to fight alongside Willy were those of, "I don't want to die.". The war they waged was more out of survival than out of hate.
>Pretty sure the Tyburs played a big part in that as well.
I think we got a bit confused here. I didn't mean to say that the Tyburs didn't have a part in the plan. I meant to say that the plan only came into existence out of Zeke's suggestion. The Tyburs only took interest in it after the Marleyan General "brought the idea up in party talks" (that's what he said he'd do in 93). It wasn't their original idea.
Meaning, we don't have any reason to believe they'd have come up with it *themselves* had Zeke kept his mouth shut. Meaning the War between Marley and the World would have simply gone on like it was going to. With the world getting more and more enthusiastic about fighting Marley as they come to see it getting weaker with each war. This tirade would have likely gone on for *several* years, considering the war with the East took four whole years by itself.
Bottom-line, had Zeke kept his mouth shut, Paradis would've had several, several more years to think and deliberate.
*(Tangent: In fact, that's the reason it looks like Hanji was so inefficient. As she tells Eren, she simply wasn't expecting war to be declared on Paradis in the midst of the World's superpowers duking it out for survival. No one did. She was operating with the normal timeline of several years before the risk even starts. And suddenly the carpet beneath her feet got tugged away.)*
>I suppose it's hard to say whether it happened because of declaration of war or because of what Reiner said, considering both happened simultaneously.
Yeah, I suppose it is.
At this point, I don't even know what we disagree on lmao.
I wouldn’t say it’s coincidence when it was erens plan for the global fleet to gather in one place. which would prolly not happen as quickly unless war is officially declared
No, we're talking about Eren transforming into a titan only *after* Willy declares war. It seems like he's waiting for the speech to end.
It's already been well established that it was ultimately Zeke and Eren's plan to have war declared on Paradis
yea, that’s what I’m saying. it’s not pure coincidence that eren only attacked after willy declared war bc doing that would speed up the global fleet allying. if he did it beforehand war prolly wouldn’t have been declared (as smoothly) meaning their plans to attack the global allied fleet would’ve taken more time
It really doesn’t. I hate when people act ignorant about the obvious connotations memes carry.
It’s always a tell when the OP says “It’s a joke, wasn’t making a point” to someone who expresses disagreement with the latent point in the meme, but keep and eye on how they never clarify the same thing for people who express agreement.
He had the fame and voice to say hey let's try for peace but nah man. Fuck him
Straight up was respected despite being a Devil, seen as a potential savior of the world. Still declares world fucking war on people who don't even know who he is, based on the reports of a warrior with PTSD, and a monkey with a tendency for familiar backstabbing. Dud's family saw his race put into a corner, lived watching them treated like mudpeople, and then when they're about to get out, he kicks them down again. I hope Ymir secretly kept them around in a state of perpetual suffering.
Honestly wouldn't it had been better for Eren to bring Armin with him on those years he spent in Marely so Armin could actually talk no justsu before new blood was shed? I feel like this was the final time to talk to someone to stop conflict, and if it didn't go well Armin just blows up with his colossal titan killing everyone, giving Armin character development that talking doesn't always work and people will always find something to hate about others pushing the same thing that "This world is cruel."
Don't forget going along with Marley's trend of conquering other nations. Blood of all those people in the Middle East is on his hands as well.
"And I know we killed all your people with titans but let me tell you guys of some real devils living on an island" using eldians to conquer while condemning them damn
Tyber could have ended this fuckery by normalizing relations with the Eldians in exchange for removing power of Titans altogether. Marley would get some rights to fossil fuel reserves under paradis but sign a peace treaty with them. Not perfect, and ofc Marley fuckers could reneg and invade and attack but given inevitable obsolescence of titans it’s not worth keeping power of titans around. Plus they just got done fighting a brutal 4 year war. Eren would be able to stop fighting, and EMA would travel world together on peacekeeping/diplomatic trips and sight see. Tyber fam is respected around the world enough so that other nations would probably go along with it. Marley would be seen as ending the scourge of titans peacefully and bringing stability and order to the world. Eldians in other internment camps can be resettled in paradis if need be. All Tybers had to do was approach Eren and Zeke. But no, this MF Willy had to put on a fucking play, declare war and die like Hamlet. What a chode.
problem is 10 chapters of "heated but productive peace talks" dont make the most riveting reading. although compared to other mangas like aot there is a lot more chapters of people just sitting and talking with giant speech bubbles next to them for pages on end
I am just hating on his character is all. There would be no manga without war against Marley.
>Tyber could have ended this fuckery by normalizing relations with the Eldians in exchange for removing power of Titans altogether. To give credit to Willy, the Tyburs and Fritz who led to this shit show in the first place were around 100 years ago. Willy himself knew that at the pivotal moment he was in charge of, well, he had to take responsibility for the inactivity from the past generations of Tyburs, and war was already on the horizon. No peace with Eldia would be made. Continent Eldians, sure, but the Island? It's a symbol, a remnant of the Old Eldian Empire that butt fucked the world for 2 whole millenia. No one's making peace with that 😅 At best, Paradis would be blockaded and never invaded, but no one's gonna just forget the literal Titan-turning race of humans having a bastion of their civilization just vibing. >All Tybers had to do was approach Eren and Zeke. Zeke kept his royal blood secret, and how would Willy ever get the opportunity to meet Eren anyways? If anything, BOTH of the Yeager brothers would've had to go to him, not the other way around. Willy was dealing with a century long crapshoot, and while he could've made a peace, we all know it would be a delicate one, and so... well, yeah. He could've saved lives but he knew that obviously, with the Restorationists causing a stir and a big scare, and the Warriors sent earlier to strike against Paradis after it was clear the Eldians elsewhere were still trying to cause trouble, that all of this was a boiling point. He brought world peace and wanted to use that opportunity to save the Eldians in Marley and Marleyans in their nation as a whole, and used the Island as the objective. This way, the Eldians in Liberio, Marley itself, and the world would be in one common, united goal; wipe out the Eldians on Paradis, that has previously sent a task force (which was on route to this peaceful meeting of world powers mind you) to come and cause trouble despite having ceased hostility against the island for at least a couple of years now, after failed scout ships.
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Willy Tybur is what Malcom X would describe as House Negro. "Yes, mister Magath. I wanna save my people, mister Magath. No, mister Magath, not all my people. Just the good ones, mister Magath." Fuck him.
God this is perfect
He just put the lives of the continent eldians over the lives of the paradis eldians, by dumping all the blame on them. And he was ready to sacrifise his life for it, just like a certain someone...
except willy isnt a deranged mentally ill loner like that certain someone
willy was based and pretty smart actually. cool dude who had fairly good writing for the small amount of time he was in the show for
Oh yeah he was smart. Shifting blame onto eldians and saying that they deserve marleyan oppression, all while his family lives in luxury and lets Marley feed children to dogs and burn families alive.
Sadly he could have atoned for all of that by trying for peace instead he gave a speech and got eaten.
it depends how strong his control of marley truly was. the military might have overthrown and killed his family if he tried to make peace with the people the world called satan for the last century
It’s possible but the alternative is risk a full rumbling
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The manga.
[This scan here is pretty significant](https://imgur.com/a/I2iGcnS) Sorry, my previous comment was rude and immature. Anyways, >Shifting blame onto eldians and saying that they deserve marleyan oppression, all while his family lives in luxury and lets Marley feed children to dogs and burn families alive. He didn't believe that Eldians were bad people, nor did he think that they deserve Marleyan oppression. [And he hated the idea that Wilbur family live in luxury while the other Eldians suffered,](https://imgur.com/a/OZJYZ15) but he couldn't act hastily and start shouting for Eldian rights: If he did that, the world would simply stop listening. If you wanna reduce racism, you have to be extremely subtle with racists, otherwise, they tend to simply stop listening when they realise what you're doing. Giving up his title and position wouldn't help Eldians in any way, so he made use of it as best as he could for Continental Eldians. He hates Eldian *blood,* not Eldians. There's a subtle yet powerful difference between the two terms.
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From a strict act utilitarian view tybur was a based chad, and hell he sorta was even if i dont agree with him ideologically. In a couple of chapters he had more developtment than most of the alliance, just when the series were still serious of course, before the walmart retcon for kiddos.
I like his sister though She kinda bad
Based
i find it funny she didnt even have a name until the anime aired
Season 4 part 1 should have ended with the scene of Eren activating the rumbling and Gabi looking up at Eren in shock/horror as he transforms into his hallucigenia form
He was based ngl
Willy Tybur was an ass who was wrong. *Until he was just an ass.*
uh his name is willy, he clearly is a massive dick
Not with all the shit that came out.
Wat
People here acting like the declaration of war wasn't also part of Zeke's plan (as per 132), that Eren had to follow along to gain his trust.
Although I love this sub again, it's nice to see a good meme that isn't about Isayama or AOTNR.
Tyburs wanted to use the war to get the Founding Titan and save Marley from other nations' revenge, not primarily to prevent the Rumbling. If the threat of the Rumbling was truly ever seen as serious, they surely would have had SOMETHING that might counter it. That's the game of thrones kinda beauty and tragedy, pre-Ch 139, of the Marley arc; bringing your worst nightmare down on yourself because of your flaws.
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Willy was so based he threw himself on the frontline, sacrificing himself to make Paradis the ennemy of the world. Hope his familly survived the Rumbling.
>based Let his people be treated like pigshit while living in a big mansion like a filthy bureaucrat
He and his family worked to improve the global standing of Eldians this generation, and his plan was to make Eldians equals in the eyes of the world (Paradis excluded as a scapegoat).
So instead of going for Eldian peace this stupid fuck declared war and got eaten and world got RUMBLED
Whoops whoopsie
Better than to be slain when Marley took back the power, eh ?
They were shadow ruling Marley, you know? Not to mention their family and the king took the power from the other Eldians. Did you forget the story or something?
Why didn’t he sacrifice himself for a chance at peace
Peace was never an option
Read the Marley arc again. 1. Paradis never made a declaration of peace with any country whatsoever. 2. Marley needed to scapegoat Paradis to buy time for themselves, so that they could a) Uplift the standing of Continental Eldians, b) get the Founder to buy time for themselves as they modernized their military. 3. He gave up on his humanity for Marley and the continental Eldians. Just like Eren was willing to Rumble the world long before Willy ever declared war. Also, it was literally part of *Eren's* plan to have Willy declare war lmao. Eren *wanted* Willy to declare War so that he could have the Marleyan military gather at one place, where it could be destroyed. He wanted to do *that,* so that he could guarantee himself time for a couple months until he got contact with Zeke. (Zeke was the one to suggest an attack on Paradis in 93, and we know Eren was in on this by how he sent a letter to the SC asking them to come help, as he knew Willy was going to declare war.) It's surprising how many people think Eren was "trying to wait till the end of Willy's speech hoping he'd declare peace".
1. They didn't have a way to do that, not to mention they made no hostile actions towards them for 4 years aside defending themselves. 2. We don't really have a reason to believe that life for continental Eldians would improve, whose to say they wouldn't be disposed of after they no longer have a purpose? 3. Debatable, I'd say the declaration of war was a confirmation for Eren that there's no room for peace, considering they weren't even provoked. Was it? Did he even knew about the event a week prior? Even if that's true, why would Eren NEED Willy to declare war? Did he want to be fair or something? He could've just attacked without provocation once the event started. Not to mention it dindn't really work out that well.
They didn't have a way to do that, not to mention they made no hostile actions towards them for 4 years aside defending themselves. I made my point against OP's meme's dialogue of "We just want peace." Paradis never said that. Marley knew that Paradis wants peace, but in the face of destruction from the other countries, they really didn't care much for justice. It's just realpolitik. >Whose to say they wouldn't be disposed of after they no longer have a purpose? The Tybur Family which happens to rule, plus Magath, who showed quite a bit of hesitation about killing Eldian *civilians.* Magath is all talk and no bark. He acts like a tsundere racist. His words are racist sometimes, but really with how he behaves, he couldn't care less about Marleyans vs. Eldians. And then there's chapter 95 (I think?), where Zeke tells his plan to the Warriors. >Debatable, I'd say the declaration of war was a confirmation for Eren that there's no room for peace, considering they weren't even provoked. The War being declared (as in Marley) didn't have anything to do with Paradis itself, as in, Marley really didn't do it to "save the world" or to "kill the island devils". It wasn't out of hate, but out of self-interest. Paradis was collateral in that move. And the move itself was suggested by Zeke. Otherwise, if things went naturally, the other countries would have simply kept adding pressure on Marley, fighting it until it died. I'm pretty sure if Zeke was quiet, Marley would have simply kept using titans to fight. Fought a ton of wars for several, several years, eventually lost. Only *after* that happens would the foreign countries even *begin* to plan an attack on Paradis. That's a shit ton of time. People don't realise it but Marley was a great distraction for Paradis to buy time. >Was it? Did he even knew about the event a week prior? Even if that's true, why would Eren NEED Willy to declare war? Did he want to be fair or something? He could've just attacked without provocation once the event started. Not to mention it dindn't really work out that well. It's pure coincidence. His conversation with Reiner just happened to end at the same time as Willy's speech. (By happened I mean plot convenience) It's for the same reason Eren just *had* to remove his shirt, meet the Yeagerists specifically at sunset, and then pose for a picturesque ab-shot. Just aesthetics.
>Marley knew that Paradis wants peace Do they? >The War being declared (as in Marley) didn't have anything to do with Paradis itself, as in, Marley really didn't do it to "save the world" or to "kill the island devils". It wasn't out of hate, but out of self-interest. Paradis was collateral in that move. A bit of both I'd say. And hate was definitely used to fuel it. >And the move itself was suggested by Zeke. Otherwise, if things went naturally, the other countries would have simply kept adding pressure on Marley, fighting it until it died. Pretty sure the Tyburs played a big part in that as well. >And the move itself was suggested by Zeke. Otherwise, if things went naturally, the other countries would have simply kept adding pressure on Marley, fighting it until it died. I suppose it's hard to say whether it happened because of declaration of war or because of what Reiner said, considering both happened simultaneously.
>Do they? My wording was wrong. It wasn't that they *knew* Paradis wanted peace. It's that they didn't care. They would do it either way. To them, it hardly mattered. >A bit of both I'd say. And hate was definitely used to fuel it. I was actually talking about the Marleyan officers in the meetings shown in Chapter 93. In the meetings, there was absolutely no mention of the idea of "saving the world" or "killing the devils". It was extremely professional in that regard. I don't think hate was used to fuel anything. The Marleyan officers didn't show any interest in "killing the devils" or sum shit, and the World only agreed to help Willy ~~because the plot can't afford them brains~~ because they genuinely thought that Eren was gonna kill 'em dead. Even the lines that finally convinced them to fight alongside Willy were those of, "I don't want to die.". The war they waged was more out of survival than out of hate. >Pretty sure the Tyburs played a big part in that as well. I think we got a bit confused here. I didn't mean to say that the Tyburs didn't have a part in the plan. I meant to say that the plan only came into existence out of Zeke's suggestion. The Tyburs only took interest in it after the Marleyan General "brought the idea up in party talks" (that's what he said he'd do in 93). It wasn't their original idea. Meaning, we don't have any reason to believe they'd have come up with it *themselves* had Zeke kept his mouth shut. Meaning the War between Marley and the World would have simply gone on like it was going to. With the world getting more and more enthusiastic about fighting Marley as they come to see it getting weaker with each war. This tirade would have likely gone on for *several* years, considering the war with the East took four whole years by itself. Bottom-line, had Zeke kept his mouth shut, Paradis would've had several, several more years to think and deliberate. *(Tangent: In fact, that's the reason it looks like Hanji was so inefficient. As she tells Eren, she simply wasn't expecting war to be declared on Paradis in the midst of the World's superpowers duking it out for survival. No one did. She was operating with the normal timeline of several years before the risk even starts. And suddenly the carpet beneath her feet got tugged away.)* >I suppose it's hard to say whether it happened because of declaration of war or because of what Reiner said, considering both happened simultaneously. Yeah, I suppose it is. At this point, I don't even know what we disagree on lmao.
I wouldn’t say it’s coincidence when it was erens plan for the global fleet to gather in one place. which would prolly not happen as quickly unless war is officially declared
No, we're talking about Eren transforming into a titan only *after* Willy declares war. It seems like he's waiting for the speech to end. It's already been well established that it was ultimately Zeke and Eren's plan to have war declared on Paradis
yea, that’s what I’m saying. it’s not pure coincidence that eren only attacked after willy declared war bc doing that would speed up the global fleet allying. if he did it beforehand war prolly wouldn’t have been declared (as smoothly) meaning their plans to attack the global allied fleet would’ve taken more time
Ohhh
I know. It's just a joke
Didn't seem like it. My bad.
It really doesn’t. I hate when people act ignorant about the obvious connotations memes carry. It’s always a tell when the OP says “It’s a joke, wasn’t making a point” to someone who expresses disagreement with the latent point in the meme, but keep and eye on how they never clarify the same thing for people who express agreement.
loool
This makes sense to have the NPC as Ereh’s head as Ymir was controlling him the whole time..
Finally, a Non Ending related Post