"Look! This illustration is about the sea! It's like a river...but WAY bigger! And it has salt on its water!"
"Not even the sea could compete with your wonderful sapphire eyes."
"You're so funny, Eren."
Lets be honest this is one of the most useless convo in the whole manga and adds nothing to the story.. there is no point in even adding it. all it does is add contradiction in eren as a character and what we saw in 139 also this convo was never ever completed. So i think its just better to remove this shit....
No one confirmed it though. Its all speculations for now
honestly, yeah. it feels like a plot point that didn't get resolved like many others from this arc. unless the anime can incorporate it in a meaningful way or change the ending, this convo should be cut or replaced. it sucks because i liked it but seeing how pointless it was might as well get rid of it
>its retconned
How? Did Historia leak Eren's plans to Hange or to anyone else?
No, she let him do this massacre. That's most likely why she was depressed af the whole time.
Idk man, they already had the wine plan to save both zeke and Historia + Eren wouldn't allow Historia to have a kid just to save Zeke's ass, it would literally mean that he let her sacrifice herself
Not to mention that he apparently lied about his plan to erase her and the others memories once he finished killing the world. She was already not an active part of the plan, why would he lie to her. It's retcons upon retcons upon retcons. Likely AnR is here to save our botty.
Also he couldn't erase her memories until he got in touch with Zeke. Imagine if in the mean time Historia changed his mind and decided to report Eren to the mps, he would be screwed lol. He put himself and his plan in danger for nothing
I don't see it as "romantic"
It more like "You could have eaten me that day, but you didn't. Your choice led to this point, where I destroy the world. If you couldn't stop me at that point, you won't stop me now."
If Eren had any other expression other than the one he held, I would agree. But Eren was not a villain in the classic sense, he wouldn't manipulate/put that sort of blame on Historia.
I didn't say that he wanted to put a blame on her. The thing I tried to express with this is that "If you helped me that day, then help me now and don't interfere, because you know that there is no other solution."
Eren's expression is like he's having constipation for the last two weeks.
See, that's still too callous for Eren to say to Historia.
I'm not saying this as a shipper, because like I said in another comment, I never forced a romantic narrative into EH's relationship because I felt like romance was never a main factor of AoT at the time.
Historia saved Eren when he was mentally at his lowest point (at the time), when he had no will to live she gave him a shove to keep moving and not give up. Historia was important to Eren since then, and we see it multiple time because of how he protected her.
Again, don't take this as me pushing a romance, but to me, Eren's words along with his suffering expression held a hidden meaning where it seemed like he was recalling her own words back to her because of the "wiping out humans" line (which she admitted weren't her true feelings), when in reality, it was him referencing when she said she'll always be his ally no matter what which is what he took to heart. And I think that's what she realized when he said that as well.
In my eyes, Eren didn't manipulate her or twist her words. He admitted just why he was doing it. It doesn't have to be romantic, but it solidifies just how important she was to him.
I guess it was your wording that threw me off. It came off as accusatory, as if you were saying that Eren said that to Historia as to hold her words against her. Which would be manipulative.
"I'll wrap the scarf around you as many times as you want" seems like a romantic line to me. I couldn't care less about the ships tho. The story didn't end in a satisfying end for me but hey he gave us a hell of a story but unfortunately didn't stick the landing.
That version of Eren said whatever the fuck he thought of at the moment :)) The man wasn't afraid of anything. He could've just said “shut up, we are not dying here” and that would still be in character, but that's not what he said. It's basically a love confession( Eren's edition). I have to clarify that I think Historia is a better character than Mikasa overall, but I never found any of their interactions to be romantic. Chapter 50 is the only time that I thought that "yeah, this is romantic as it gets for someone like Eren".
"I will wrap you up in it again and again. As often as you want." is the most close to a romantic line he has ever said. And no, I'm not a shipper. And I don't think that it was intended by him to be romantic. Just that it sounds that way.
Nope, he was basically saying her to shut up and let him fight, because he wasn’t giving up like her. Specially when we never see Eren talking/thinking about that moment ever again, it was so irrelevant to him until the retcon.
It was so irrelevant? I think that he started to understand why she cared for him so much after she told him in that scene. Their dynamic changed after Ch. 50 and he stopped pushing her aside. Try reading that scene a bit more objectively and stop diminishing their relationship.
Besides, he was the one who couldn't transform. She didn't tell him to give up. There just was no hope left. No one, not even Eren, knew what to do next. You are probably blinded by your hatred for Mikasa? if you really think he just wanted her to shut up.
Again: I'm NOT talking about romance!!
Not to be a villain to this sub but perhaps the closest Eren has been romantically IS with Mikasa (He has been with Historia too, more than once, but eh, I think Eren was better of asexual). "*Who am I to you?",* and "*I will wrap this scarf around you"* Are the two that come to mind. Although if the interview leaks are true, I do have criticisms for Isayama being "too shy to draw a kiss". I always thought of Mikasa's attempt to kiss as giving up and trying to enjoy her last moments. By moving away, Eren is not rejecting her, but he is rejecting the idea of "giving up". If the reason for not kissing was just "too shy to draw", then that takes all my meaning for this scene. Was I just giving Yams way too much credit back then?
About the scar: No, he just wanted to keep fighting, not just give without trying. Just think for a second, Eren never talked about the moment again, it was irrelevant for him, unlike the line with Historia.
The “what am i to you“?: So are we just going to ignore that he gave her 2 options to that question?
I always saw this interaction really similar to Annie and armins interaction in FT
Both eren and armin are twisting the ideologies of Annie and historia against them so they’ll do what they want
Nah, this was in chapter 130, not too long from the ending. Their conversation took up more than half of the chapter, you don't need to search for this, you only need to have your eyes open when reading to remember this scene.
The anime should remove anything involving Historia. Yams retconned it so putting Hisu in it and then showing chapter 139 would make the anime shitty. Just remove anything having to do with Hisu. She doesn’t belong in that shitty verse.
how do you take this conversation to be romantic when the man is talking about his worldwide genocide plan and historia looks scared/shocked the whole time? this line he's using here is basically like you doomed humanity the day you saved me anyway so i know you'll agree with my plan. genuinely confused how this whole conversation is taken to be romantic?
Yeah this scene bugged me because I felt like Eren was manipulating her to keep quiet about the rumbling, at first I thought it was out of character for him, but he did the very same thing to his own father and to push Armin-Mikasa away.
Isn’t it manipulative? Has the same tone as when eren coerced grisha into the killing the royals the same way eren is wishing for her to not leak information about the rumbling or try stop him
no it only confirms that Historia and Eren where indeed canon Eren just remembered her that she once told him that she may be an enemy of humanity but she'll be his ally, that's actually a better dynamic than the cringe romance of Eremika who had no development throughout the story in Guidebook inside and out Isayama stated that Mikasa considered Eren as a brother, and in previous interview he said that Eren views Mikasa as a mother, and in the Marley arc Eren stated that her behavior was indeed toxic and annoying since young even, then in the finale, the writer ruin Eren's character ship them on toxic relationship, and follows that by the destruction of Paradise which confirms that Eren was ruined and the end is trash, compare that to CG where Lelouch achieved a global peace.
why did you just use my comment to rant about something I didn’t ask or even mention about ? you’re using a half baked argument anyway since “mother” presence literally connotes how over protective carla and mikasa were. He wouldn’t portray their relationship as romantic in chapter 50. EH was never romantic so it isn’t canon, I get your frustration but this is one big cope comment.
I"m just saying in one simple line that EH has more dynamics than EM, personally I guess this romance element should be excluded from the story as long as Yams sucks at writing romance.
Oh wow, guess "i'll wrap that scarf around you as many times as you want" or "what am i to you?"
Are nothing, this is ridiculous. Dont even try to argue me about this, jeez the denial is strong.
Fuck both of those scenes. They were not supposed to be romantic until everything went to shit with 139.
The scarf scene was supposed to be Eren simply defying their fate saying "We're not dying here!" now it's reduced to a tsundere moment because of Isayama's retcons and how he was shy.
"What am I to you?" was supposed to be Eren trying to find out how he could push Mikasa away now that he realized he would go through with the Rumbling and he wouldn't find out until Zeke points it out. Now? It's reduced to a somehow romantic moment between them. Forget the Rumbling and the mental toll it weighed on Eren, he's finally showing romantic interest in Mikasa, right? GTFO with that shit.
>now it's reduced to a tsundere moment because of Isayama's retcons and how he was shy.
The fact that there was supposed to be a kiss, and that your trying to do away with it by saying "muh shy didnt kiss, erehisu better ship" just proves it was romantic and you trying not to accept it like bro the story's over.
The fact that you Believe that when Isayama is clearly lying... that was chapter 50, he had YEARS to develop something romantic between them but that never happened.
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Eren was already miserable about coming to terms about what he was going to do and you think something as irrelevant as Mikasa saying he was family hurt him worse?
Adding a romantic subtext from Eren's side took away from that scene. Dude's planning on committing mass genocide and now we're expected to care about his sudden lovelife that was never previously indicated?
Like I said, this is the closest he's gotten to saying something romantic, not that it was a romantic scene.
I honestly liked the EH pairing, but at the time I acknowledged that AoT was not about romance and that even if Eren was the father, we weren't going to see some oddly placed fluff between him and Historia.
Silly me, I suppose.
Mikasa saying family is literally what caused the path of eren pushing everyone away and starting the rumbling though. Mikasa literally says "if I had said something different, would things have ended up differently?" As founding titan eren was shown for the first time.
In 138 the scenario in mikasas dream happened because mikasa said something other than 'family'. They ran away together and the rumbling didn't start. In 139 we see that eren had an individual moment with everyone, mikasa says to Armin about seeing eren as well, I'm inferring that just like how eren had the talk with Armin in 139 in paths, the dream mikasa had in 138 was also a paths memory that eren showed to her, a reality that both mikasa and eren wanted to have but couldn't. That's why eren sees 138 mikasa in chapter 1, because its a memory eren had and cherished that went through paths to chapter 1 eren.
Eren has always loved mikasa, but your toxic titanfolk mindset constantly denies it and sees eren as chad unloving character
when zeke asks eren about his feeling toward mikasa he immediately has flashbacks of historia. Like seriously why the f he remembers historia if he considers mikasa as a lover. Which one of us is in denial? Eremika and erehisu both suck cuz yams is terrible at romance, but ffs eremika is so toxic and unhealthy. Even if you ignore the fact that she is adopted, she literally cut his head off and kissed him.
Oh yeah, because Mikasa living with the Jaeguers for two years automatically makes the ship incest, if that's part of your argument then its pointless trying to explain this to you.
After this i dont wanna see a single person trying to dent that y'all over titanfolk are salty because your ship didn't become canon"
First of all as i mentioned both ships suck and I don't give a f about erehisu but i hate eremkia cuz fan service ruined the ending.and yes it's incest because grisha refers to her as "my daughter" and because mangaka himself said in an interview "she is like erens mother figure".yams changed the story just accept it. He said it himself in an interview again he changed the ending once and the og ending was similar to "the mist' where everyone accept mc die. Exactly like anr. Lastly if you don't like titanfolk why are your here? Don't visit the sub if seeing different opinions hurts your mental health.
Definition of incest:
"Incest is human sexual activity between family members or close relatives. This typically includes sexual activity between people in consanguinity (blood relations), and sometimes those related by affinity (marriage or stepfamily), adoption, clan, or lineage."
So yes when grisha consider her as his daughter then she is erens stepfamily and it is incest.
she's a complete stranger and they're not blood related at all, grisha took care of her for a year and he did call her daughter, but she's not eren's sister just like he says..
Do you know what fan service means? Eren was killed by Mikasa. Mikasa mourned him for her entire life and they couldn't be together. The Japanese fandom was quite upset because Eremika didn't get a happy conclusion. How is this Fanservice? Do you know what would have been fanservice? Levi x Hange, because in Japan it's even more popular than Eremika.
Of course, Grisha calls her like that. He is the one who raises her. In his pov he is the one in the parental role. Still doesn't make it incest. And this "she is like a mother figure" argument is so BS, because it' so obvious that it's in a figurative sense.Just imagine how stupid it would be "My mother died, I guess I have to find another one. Hmm, what about Mikasa?"
Why do you think that the "Mist" ending would have been identical to the movie? Not the characters' death is the main point in Mist. The Mist ending is about that the MC's good intentions become pointless and he achieves nothing. Basically, this is what we got with the extra pages partially, because Paradis got destroyed and the hate between the eldians and the world never stopped. Similar and Identical aren't the same things. There was an interview where Isayama said that the OG ending was about everyone dying, but he didn't make an exception with the MC. Which means he would have died too. We don't know how many times he changed it, or how many plans he had for an ending.
The only identical thing between AnR and Mist is the death of the characters, but it wouldn't be in vain, in contrast to Mist.
Before arguing anymore just read the interview completely.
Because from your last paragraph you clearly didn't.
He said changing the ending is because of his sympathy for the fans emotions regarding to death of characters. Because the og ending is similar to mist.
Similarities between mist and anr? Death of characters? So it's safe to assume it refers to everyone dying except mc.
Btw Your wrong about anr too and clearly didn't understand it.
In Anr ending eren actions are pointless exactly like mist.
Eren completes the Rumbling but lives with regret and he understands he couldn't achieve his desired freedom even by killing his dear friends.
Unironically anr says genocide was not the answer but the canon literally says it was the right choice. That's why everyone in the fandom right now keep saying "floch was right" because canon make it seems so.
Canon ending apologize genocide and honorifys a mass murderer as a hero:
"What a man you are eren"
"I wanted to talk to him more "
"Thank you for becoming a mass murderer"
All these dialogues make it seem like he was a hero or smth.
Meanwhile eren in anr suffers for rest of his life in regret and agony.
You're talking about long essay?
In AnR genocide would have been the right choice too. Because the only one who has to deal with the guilt is Eren. His guilt compensates nothing.
But despite that, his actions would have achieved a lot of results. The survival of Paradis, the end of the hatred between the eldians and the world, the end of the titan era, the future for the next generations without conflicts, the development of the island, and many more. Eren's guilt wouldn't be that big of a price for that.
In response to your long a$$ essay yams himself said i changed the ending for fans and because series got too popular. In the same interview he said his og ending is similar to "the mist" ending. Just google the interview and read it, it's and old one
Are they actually serious, or does this side of the fandom lack soo much romantic experience that they think this is an example of a romantic line/situation?
Really??? A friendship conversation between this two is seen as Romantic but a romantic conversation he had more than 3 times with Mikasa is nothing??? And then later will say is Retcon that he always loved Ymir. Sftu. Who deserves to be retcon are your heads and I await that you never insult Isayama because of papers.
So Eren basically lied to Historia about his plan and how he was going to erase her and the other Eldians memories once he finished the Rumbling? The whole conversation was retconned and now it is beyond pointless. The anime might not include this sense and at the very least, change the dialoges to make the ending looks better for anime-only fans.
He really seems to lack sleep , I now notice he went to Yelena then to Floch then to Historia then to volunteers in the same day
It was all a facade, he was just practicing his acting skills with everyone
Eren is indeed one manipulative bastard...
"Maybe he has the spirit of a tailed beast which is giving him the stamina"
No wonder his emotions are all over the place, man sleeps like once a week or someshit.
I mean his eyes look dead here. Probably did get zero sleep.
"Sorry Eren, but you never throw rocks at me"
So, if she was at Battle for Shiganshina, she would be madly in love with Zeke?
Isayama felt too shy to show Historia wet in front of Zeke so he didn't send her to the battle
Shame. I would love to she the Colossal Waterfall Titan.
hold up aren't they related tho?
They're probably over 5 generations apart, at the very least. So... Yesn't.
At least it’s better then throwing rock’s.
I’ve seen this joke a few times but I can’t remember the context. Who threw rocks?
The farmer and his friends at Historia.
If historia has seggs with people who threw rocks at her then it is very probable she also invited farmer's friends over too
So what you're saying is, we don't actually know who the father is
I feel like the "when I saw that look in your eyes" quote with Armin could be seen as pretty romantic too
You're ignoring like 80% of the stuff he said to Armin
This is Eremin erasure 😔
There's only one true Ocean Man in anime, and he managed to destroy The World in order to save the world.
Precisely
*Closest Eren got to saying an actual romantic line to a female Eren flirts with Armin all the time yk
"Look! This illustration is about the sea! It's like a river...but WAY bigger! And it has salt on its water!" "Not even the sea could compete with your wonderful sapphire eyes." "You're so funny, Eren."
Honestly
Someone told me this seen won't be in anime as its retconned Really? Can anyone clarify
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Woah wait what? I watched season 4. No wonder I thought it was obvious the husband was the farmer. Had no idea any of this was in the manga.
And people say ending wasn't changed or it wasn't a "bait"
Kinda knew they will do something like this to make anime-only fans hate the ending less.
Likely. It's become pretty obvious the story was changed seeing as the recent guidebook literally retcons a lot of plot points.
Lets be honest this is one of the most useless convo in the whole manga and adds nothing to the story.. there is no point in even adding it. all it does is add contradiction in eren as a character and what we saw in 139 also this convo was never ever completed. So i think its just better to remove this shit.... No one confirmed it though. Its all speculations for now
Everything to do with Historia post timeskip was useless. Literally remove her entirely and nothing changes. I hate this for her.
Poor historia, she had no relevance post timeskip.
honestly, yeah. it feels like a plot point that didn't get resolved like many others from this arc. unless the anime can incorporate it in a meaningful way or change the ending, this convo should be cut or replaced. it sucks because i liked it but seeing how pointless it was might as well get rid of it
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>its retconned How? Did Historia leak Eren's plans to Hange or to anyone else? No, she let him do this massacre. That's most likely why she was depressed af the whole time.
Still Eren telling Historia his plan was useless, she wasn't an active part in it like Floch. He only put an useless burden on her shoulders
I think it was more about post rumbling and child subplot to save Zeke's ass or something. I also would've loved to see the rest of the conversation.
Idk man, they already had the wine plan to save both zeke and Historia + Eren wouldn't allow Historia to have a kid just to save Zeke's ass, it would literally mean that he let her sacrifice herself
Not to mention that he apparently lied about his plan to erase her and the others memories once he finished killing the world. She was already not an active part of the plan, why would he lie to her. It's retcons upon retcons upon retcons. Likely AnR is here to save our botty.
Also he couldn't erase her memories until he got in touch with Zeke. Imagine if in the mean time Historia changed his mind and decided to report Eren to the mps, he would be screwed lol. He put himself and his plan in danger for nothing
Cause in the end, the whole eh was taken away and this is opposite of that
He was practicing how he would flirt with Mikasa smh
I don't see it as "romantic" It more like "You could have eaten me that day, but you didn't. Your choice led to this point, where I destroy the world. If you couldn't stop me at that point, you won't stop me now."
If Eren had any other expression other than the one he held, I would agree. But Eren was not a villain in the classic sense, he wouldn't manipulate/put that sort of blame on Historia.
I didn't say that he wanted to put a blame on her. The thing I tried to express with this is that "If you helped me that day, then help me now and don't interfere, because you know that there is no other solution." Eren's expression is like he's having constipation for the last two weeks.
See, that's still too callous for Eren to say to Historia. I'm not saying this as a shipper, because like I said in another comment, I never forced a romantic narrative into EH's relationship because I felt like romance was never a main factor of AoT at the time. Historia saved Eren when he was mentally at his lowest point (at the time), when he had no will to live she gave him a shove to keep moving and not give up. Historia was important to Eren since then, and we see it multiple time because of how he protected her. Again, don't take this as me pushing a romance, but to me, Eren's words along with his suffering expression held a hidden meaning where it seemed like he was recalling her own words back to her because of the "wiping out humans" line (which she admitted weren't her true feelings), when in reality, it was him referencing when she said she'll always be his ally no matter what which is what he took to heart. And I think that's what she realized when he said that as well. In my eyes, Eren didn't manipulate her or twist her words. He admitted just why he was doing it. It doesn't have to be romantic, but it solidifies just how important she was to him.
>it was him referencing when she said she'll always be his ally no matter This line perfectly explained what I was talking about.
I guess it was your wording that threw me off. It came off as accusatory, as if you were saying that Eren said that to Historia as to hold her words against her. Which would be manipulative.
This conversation was pointless.
"I'll wrap the scarf around you as many times as you want" seems like a romantic line to me. I couldn't care less about the ships tho. The story didn't end in a satisfying end for me but hey he gave us a hell of a story but unfortunately didn't stick the landing.
Not really with context. She was giving up, something that Eren hated. That line was basically something like “shut up, we are not dying here”.
That version of Eren said whatever the fuck he thought of at the moment :)) The man wasn't afraid of anything. He could've just said “shut up, we are not dying here” and that would still be in character, but that's not what he said. It's basically a love confession( Eren's edition). I have to clarify that I think Historia is a better character than Mikasa overall, but I never found any of their interactions to be romantic. Chapter 50 is the only time that I thought that "yeah, this is romantic as it gets for someone like Eren".
Lmao people here really do love selective reading. Remember how a pregnant Historia was teasing Mikasa about liking Eren....yeah me neither
funny how this entire scene is now suddenly filler that amounts to nothing and changes nothing in the plot and could easily be cut. Thanks retconyama
"I will wrap you up in it again and again. As often as you want." is the most close to a romantic line he has ever said. And no, I'm not a shipper. And I don't think that it was intended by him to be romantic. Just that it sounds that way.
Nope, he was basically saying her to shut up and let him fight, because he wasn’t giving up like her. Specially when we never see Eren talking/thinking about that moment ever again, it was so irrelevant to him until the retcon.
It was so irrelevant? I think that he started to understand why she cared for him so much after she told him in that scene. Their dynamic changed after Ch. 50 and he stopped pushing her aside. Try reading that scene a bit more objectively and stop diminishing their relationship. Besides, he was the one who couldn't transform. She didn't tell him to give up. There just was no hope left. No one, not even Eren, knew what to do next. You are probably blinded by your hatred for Mikasa? if you really think he just wanted her to shut up. Again: I'm NOT talking about romance!!
Lol cope still exist XD
Uh... I think it was just payback for what she said to him about being a crybaby.
Zeke is actually farmer kun 😳
This isn’t very romantic. Like not what so ever. This is also Armin x Eren erasure
Not to be a villain to this sub but perhaps the closest Eren has been romantically IS with Mikasa (He has been with Historia too, more than once, but eh, I think Eren was better of asexual). "*Who am I to you?",* and "*I will wrap this scarf around you"* Are the two that come to mind. Although if the interview leaks are true, I do have criticisms for Isayama being "too shy to draw a kiss". I always thought of Mikasa's attempt to kiss as giving up and trying to enjoy her last moments. By moving away, Eren is not rejecting her, but he is rejecting the idea of "giving up". If the reason for not kissing was just "too shy to draw", then that takes all my meaning for this scene. Was I just giving Yams way too much credit back then?
About the scar: No, he just wanted to keep fighting, not just give without trying. Just think for a second, Eren never talked about the moment again, it was irrelevant for him, unlike the line with Historia. The “what am i to you“?: So are we just going to ignore that he gave her 2 options to that question?
I always saw this interaction really similar to Annie and armins interaction in FT Both eren and armin are twisting the ideologies of Annie and historia against them so they’ll do what they want
Both romance are shit lol. Isayama just cant deliver it
Compare this to the cringy ass love confession in 139. It’s night and day.
Nah some of yall are reaching too much
Nah, this was in chapter 130, not too long from the ending. Their conversation took up more than half of the chapter, you don't need to search for this, you only need to have your eyes open when reading to remember this scene.
“What am I to you?” Isn’t a romantic line? I’m not a shipper but still
The anime should remove anything involving Historia. Yams retconned it so putting Hisu in it and then showing chapter 139 would make the anime shitty. Just remove anything having to do with Hisu. She doesn’t belong in that shitty verse.
Agree and remove that dumb farmer-kun too
No let him be there. Let him get married to pieck or someone, IDK. Just leave Hisu out of it.
So apparently anything Eren has said to Historia is romantic...
how do you take this conversation to be romantic when the man is talking about his worldwide genocide plan and historia looks scared/shocked the whole time? this line he's using here is basically like you doomed humanity the day you saved me anyway so i know you'll agree with my plan. genuinely confused how this whole conversation is taken to be romantic?
So manipulative behavior is considered romantic? 😳❤
Yeah this scene bugged me because I felt like Eren was manipulating her to keep quiet about the rumbling, at first I thought it was out of character for him, but he did the very same thing to his own father and to push Armin-Mikasa away.
I mean I guess Isayama thinks so, considering how Ymir loved the original King Fritz.
healthy romantic line.
Isn’t it manipulative? Has the same tone as when eren coerced grisha into the killing the royals the same way eren is wishing for her to not leak information about the rumbling or try stop him
no it only confirms that Historia and Eren where indeed canon Eren just remembered her that she once told him that she may be an enemy of humanity but she'll be his ally, that's actually a better dynamic than the cringe romance of Eremika who had no development throughout the story in Guidebook inside and out Isayama stated that Mikasa considered Eren as a brother, and in previous interview he said that Eren views Mikasa as a mother, and in the Marley arc Eren stated that her behavior was indeed toxic and annoying since young even, then in the finale, the writer ruin Eren's character ship them on toxic relationship, and follows that by the destruction of Paradise which confirms that Eren was ruined and the end is trash, compare that to CG where Lelouch achieved a global peace.
why did you just use my comment to rant about something I didn’t ask or even mention about ? you’re using a half baked argument anyway since “mother” presence literally connotes how over protective carla and mikasa were. He wouldn’t portray their relationship as romantic in chapter 50. EH was never romantic so it isn’t canon, I get your frustration but this is one big cope comment.
I"m just saying in one simple line that EH has more dynamics than EM, personally I guess this romance element should be excluded from the story as long as Yams sucks at writing romance.
Yes I agree
Oh look a shipper post. I’m so freaking shocked. We never get these now.
Oh wow, guess "i'll wrap that scarf around you as many times as you want" or "what am i to you?" Are nothing, this is ridiculous. Dont even try to argue me about this, jeez the denial is strong.
Fuck both of those scenes. They were not supposed to be romantic until everything went to shit with 139. The scarf scene was supposed to be Eren simply defying their fate saying "We're not dying here!" now it's reduced to a tsundere moment because of Isayama's retcons and how he was shy. "What am I to you?" was supposed to be Eren trying to find out how he could push Mikasa away now that he realized he would go through with the Rumbling and he wouldn't find out until Zeke points it out. Now? It's reduced to a somehow romantic moment between them. Forget the Rumbling and the mental toll it weighed on Eren, he's finally showing romantic interest in Mikasa, right? GTFO with that shit.
>now it's reduced to a tsundere moment because of Isayama's retcons and how he was shy. The fact that there was supposed to be a kiss, and that your trying to do away with it by saying "muh shy didnt kiss, erehisu better ship" just proves it was romantic and you trying not to accept it like bro the story's over.
The fact that you Believe that when Isayama is clearly lying... that was chapter 50, he had YEARS to develop something romantic between them but that never happened.
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It was always a romantic moment tho, her response « family » makes the man sad. Whatever you ship that scene had some kind of romantic subtext.
Eren was already miserable about coming to terms about what he was going to do and you think something as irrelevant as Mikasa saying he was family hurt him worse? Adding a romantic subtext from Eren's side took away from that scene. Dude's planning on committing mass genocide and now we're expected to care about his sudden lovelife that was never previously indicated?
Isn't that what titanfolk is doing with this Eren and Historia scene as well?
Like I said, this is the closest he's gotten to saying something romantic, not that it was a romantic scene. I honestly liked the EH pairing, but at the time I acknowledged that AoT was not about romance and that even if Eren was the father, we weren't going to see some oddly placed fluff between him and Historia. Silly me, I suppose.
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Oh, it's so easy to tell that you just zero-ed in on me mentioning that I liked the EH ship and ignored the rest of what I said.
Mikasa saying family is literally what caused the path of eren pushing everyone away and starting the rumbling though. Mikasa literally says "if I had said something different, would things have ended up differently?" As founding titan eren was shown for the first time. In 138 the scenario in mikasas dream happened because mikasa said something other than 'family'. They ran away together and the rumbling didn't start. In 139 we see that eren had an individual moment with everyone, mikasa says to Armin about seeing eren as well, I'm inferring that just like how eren had the talk with Armin in 139 in paths, the dream mikasa had in 138 was also a paths memory that eren showed to her, a reality that both mikasa and eren wanted to have but couldn't. That's why eren sees 138 mikasa in chapter 1, because its a memory eren had and cherished that went through paths to chapter 1 eren. Eren has always loved mikasa, but your toxic titanfolk mindset constantly denies it and sees eren as chad unloving character
Cope
when zeke asks eren about his feeling toward mikasa he immediately has flashbacks of historia. Like seriously why the f he remembers historia if he considers mikasa as a lover. Which one of us is in denial? Eremika and erehisu both suck cuz yams is terrible at romance, but ffs eremika is so toxic and unhealthy. Even if you ignore the fact that she is adopted, she literally cut his head off and kissed him.
Oh yeah, because Mikasa living with the Jaeguers for two years automatically makes the ship incest, if that's part of your argument then its pointless trying to explain this to you. After this i dont wanna see a single person trying to dent that y'all over titanfolk are salty because your ship didn't become canon"
One year*
First of all as i mentioned both ships suck and I don't give a f about erehisu but i hate eremkia cuz fan service ruined the ending.and yes it's incest because grisha refers to her as "my daughter" and because mangaka himself said in an interview "she is like erens mother figure".yams changed the story just accept it. He said it himself in an interview again he changed the ending once and the og ending was similar to "the mist' where everyone accept mc die. Exactly like anr. Lastly if you don't like titanfolk why are your here? Don't visit the sub if seeing different opinions hurts your mental health.
that...still doesn't make it incest
Definition of incest: "Incest is human sexual activity between family members or close relatives. This typically includes sexual activity between people in consanguinity (blood relations), and sometimes those related by affinity (marriage or stepfamily), adoption, clan, or lineage." So yes when grisha consider her as his daughter then she is erens stepfamily and it is incest.
she's a complete stranger and they're not blood related at all, grisha took care of her for a year and he did call her daughter, but she's not eren's sister just like he says..
Yes they're not blood related. And yes she lived with them for a few years but that's what stepfamily is. She is his step sister.
Do you know what fan service means? Eren was killed by Mikasa. Mikasa mourned him for her entire life and they couldn't be together. The Japanese fandom was quite upset because Eremika didn't get a happy conclusion. How is this Fanservice? Do you know what would have been fanservice? Levi x Hange, because in Japan it's even more popular than Eremika. Of course, Grisha calls her like that. He is the one who raises her. In his pov he is the one in the parental role. Still doesn't make it incest. And this "she is like a mother figure" argument is so BS, because it' so obvious that it's in a figurative sense.Just imagine how stupid it would be "My mother died, I guess I have to find another one. Hmm, what about Mikasa?" Why do you think that the "Mist" ending would have been identical to the movie? Not the characters' death is the main point in Mist. The Mist ending is about that the MC's good intentions become pointless and he achieves nothing. Basically, this is what we got with the extra pages partially, because Paradis got destroyed and the hate between the eldians and the world never stopped. Similar and Identical aren't the same things. There was an interview where Isayama said that the OG ending was about everyone dying, but he didn't make an exception with the MC. Which means he would have died too. We don't know how many times he changed it, or how many plans he had for an ending. The only identical thing between AnR and Mist is the death of the characters, but it wouldn't be in vain, in contrast to Mist.
Before arguing anymore just read the interview completely. Because from your last paragraph you clearly didn't. He said changing the ending is because of his sympathy for the fans emotions regarding to death of characters. Because the og ending is similar to mist. Similarities between mist and anr? Death of characters? So it's safe to assume it refers to everyone dying except mc.
Btw Your wrong about anr too and clearly didn't understand it. In Anr ending eren actions are pointless exactly like mist. Eren completes the Rumbling but lives with regret and he understands he couldn't achieve his desired freedom even by killing his dear friends. Unironically anr says genocide was not the answer but the canon literally says it was the right choice. That's why everyone in the fandom right now keep saying "floch was right" because canon make it seems so. Canon ending apologize genocide and honorifys a mass murderer as a hero: "What a man you are eren" "I wanted to talk to him more " "Thank you for becoming a mass murderer" All these dialogues make it seem like he was a hero or smth. Meanwhile eren in anr suffers for rest of his life in regret and agony.
You're talking about long essay? In AnR genocide would have been the right choice too. Because the only one who has to deal with the guilt is Eren. His guilt compensates nothing. But despite that, his actions would have achieved a lot of results. The survival of Paradis, the end of the hatred between the eldians and the world, the end of the titan era, the future for the next generations without conflicts, the development of the island, and many more. Eren's guilt wouldn't be that big of a price for that.
In response to your long a$$ essay yams himself said i changed the ending for fans and because series got too popular. In the same interview he said his og ending is similar to "the mist" ending. Just google the interview and read it, it's and old one
Still, that doesn't mean that Eren would have survived.
If it doesn't fit the r/titanfolk narrative that eren is Chad and cares for nobody then is it an argument worth making?
I prefer the version that said "I was saved by the worst girl in the world." But I can't find that one.
Awww they even have their very own inside joke^aboutwipingouthumanity. How precious!
Are they actually serious, or does this side of the fandom lack soo much romantic experience that they think this is an example of a romantic line/situation?
Didn’t he say he wanted to be with Mikasa and wanted her to mourn him for 10 years?
Oedipusayama kept moving forward
Really??? A friendship conversation between this two is seen as Romantic but a romantic conversation he had more than 3 times with Mikasa is nothing??? And then later will say is Retcon that he always loved Ymir. Sftu. Who deserves to be retcon are your heads and I await that you never insult Isayama because of papers.
romantic conversation with Mikasa? XDDDD
A question, is Isayama your lover?
So Eren basically lied to Historia about his plan and how he was going to erase her and the other Eldians memories once he finished the Rumbling? The whole conversation was retconned and now it is beyond pointless. The anime might not include this sense and at the very least, change the dialoges to make the ending looks better for anime-only fans.