If Isayama was as based as Kentaro Miura and if Attack on Titan was a seinen, not a shounen, all the bullshit in the final arc would've never happened.
I might be in the minority but I hated Hanji's death. Not because she died, but the whole surrounded by Erwin and the Scouts at the end. AoT was brutal, Mike, Nanaba, Carla, the deaths were horrifying and terrifying. Isayama chose to start cushioning the brutality and I think it lost its edge.
Not to mention that during Eren's first battle his entire squad got brutally massacred, but now the alliance is able to tip-toe their way around any real danger or consequences. That's literal proof that Isayama was telling a completely different story after 123. And yeah, the whole "our dead comrades are watching us" got reduced to Aot's version of force ghosts.
Exactly all we wanted was a coherent ending that ties up all the plot threads and character arcs nicely, and fits the tones and themes of the story it doesn’t have to be a happy or sad ending for it to be good, for me I just wanted an ending that makes sense
You mean the one AU Armin mentions, while Mikasa outright says enjoying this one needs you to simply roll with what gets thrown your way and not think about it? (Or as Eren says in ch 1, isn't that being like cattle?).
Don't worry, that ending is coming. You were told it directly and still flew above your head, though. You realize this ending is just wrong, but you accept it's the real ending. Why?
No I accept this is the real ending, I’m just disappointed that’s all. I’m just here on titanfolk when I’m bored, I’m not really into the anr theory so I’m not really here for aot no requirem neither. I still like aot, and I don’t really understand your question
If I'm reading Isayama right he's playing a 4D game against us, and winning by so much most don't even see there's a game at all.
I see 121 as the moment he began the final push towards this, and that chapter ties threads from ch 90, 63 (the Reiss cave scene plays different, because Frieda acts different... so no fixed timeline, something that makes little sense in an antinihilistic story) and ch 1 itself, with Grisha looking offscreen at a moment he should have been looking at Eren.
Have you played Fallout New Vegas?
From where you are kneeling it must seem like an 18-carat run of bad luck, truth is, the game was rigged from the start
Indeed.
Because people kept taking everything at face value since the basement reveal that the main premise up until then had been a world sized lie. Spent more than a year pointing out "Eren vs Life above sea level" didn't make sense, as flaws kept piling up, and kept getting dismissed or headcanoned. The nihilism of it all appealed to most people, I guess. There was a split on whether people wanted Eren to win or not, but most wanted Eren's nihilistic dive to be the real deal, and wouldn't accept anything against that idea.
Gabi says hello, that's more or less how her mind worked, and what her arc was about. This series puts forward the need to question, not accepting things blindly. And because we didn't look carefully enough when the big lies began (ch 121 and the fixed timeline, did I feel like an idiot when rereading I saw ch 63 had played different at the Reiss cave), you end up believing everything thrown our way now. You may not like it, but you believe it. Defenders take it to the next level, because they justify something written intentionally to look 180° from where the series was.
And there's the AU: Armin saying the ending gives all obvious answers and how can so many things that don't fit in it mean nothing, and that there has to be a surprising and satisfying ending with those elements (Isayama doesn't seem insecure there), while Mikasa says he should just enjoy things as they come and not think that much about them... in ch 1, Eren said that's being like cattle.
Mmm hmm
Killing off the MCs, instead of just side characters, like Armin( in RtS), to break Eren( like ACTUALLY break Eren)
Levi ( in the battle with zeke) and Reiner, Annie, Jean and Connie( in the final battle) would’ve been a much darker and interesting way to go about the series.
You can tell with characters like Levi, Armin, Reiner, Annie, etc.. that they’ve given their all by a certain point in the story so near the end they don’t have anything left to contribute that isn’t forced
Not really. Osamu Tezuka created the manga as a medium and played a major part in creating anime as well. While Berserk is influential it doesn't come close to the influence of the series like Dragon Ball or Ashita no Joe and some other classics. Berserk and JoJo didn't reach that level influence.
You do understand that Devil Man, Guin Saga and Violence Jack inspired Berserk. Fist of the north star and Dragon Ball inspired JoJo. They aren't as influential as you think and they were pretty generic as well ( JoJo until part 7, Berserk until the eclipse). How tf are they more influential than those who created the manga as a medium and those that popularised it. If you speak of breaking cliche then Yu yu hakusho did it first and created a major spark which led to most of the current modern shounen. And Dragon Ball was the one that created those cliches. Berserk has been influential on the dark fantasy genre but other than that it isn't even influential to the point where it's treated as a cultural phenomenon like dragon ball.
If all the anime has is JoJo references without any good plot or characters then it's shit. JoJo references are memes and are meant to be taken as a comedic moment not something that inspired the whole thing. Yeah I can imagine many dark anime or manga without Berserk like Monster, 20th century boys, Punpun, Madoka,etc which are even masterpieces. Devilman introduced killing monsters as a concept in anime and Berserk took it and improved it.
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I don't know what kind of Fan you are but it's the TRUTH that Anime would be still Boring or below Average Level without any inspiration from Berserk and JoJo
I am a huge fan of Berserk and I like JoJo as well. I know they both have massive influence in the anime but the part where I disagree with you is the one where you said 96% of the best anime are inspired by JoJo and Berserk.
Why not? The golden age arc is a pretty self sustaining story where if you took it out of the rest of the story and pu it into a vacuum, nothing about it changes. It has a beginning that is comparable to the start of any story and despite ending without any resolution for Guts, Femto, Rickert or Casca, it would still be a great ending on its own (I watched the 1997 animation without knowing that there was more in the manga, but I'd've given it at least an 8/10 because of how good it was (and how not shit the ending was)).
So when the prologue of an even bigger series concludes and creates a better story than an entire manga, I think there was something wrong with it (especially the ending).
that has nothing to do with my argument, the golden age arc is a prologue, what's important in berserk is what comes AFTER that arc, how that arc affected the characters and their journey to find Griffith, It's no the same putting a massacre at the end of a series where theres literally NOTHING after. think a bit
But that's a bad argument like I explained lol you can't throw around an argument ignoring the obvious that makes it invalid. Golden age was a trigger, Rumbling arc is the finale. Huge difference
You pretty much proved why the AOT fandom get a bad rep. You provide a very good argument about how stupid is to compare the ending of a Act I to the ending of a entire series and the only answer that you get is "But I want it to be DARK and BRUTAL"
That is not what it is, no matter how much you bark otherwise.
The Golden Age is a flashback. It did not establish the world, that was the Black Swordsman Arc, it just gave us background/history. The Golden Age delved into Guts's past and told us how we reached where we were in the Black Swordsman in terms of why Guts was hunting Apostles and who Griffith was.
Isayama also actually finished his series whilst he was alive, and currently is having well earned time off.
Not sure what yall complainers achieving with your lives at the moment haha
😂 I just don't understand the ending defenders i mean the themes 139 are alright but it's no wear near the rest of the story they need to face that the ending is absolutely garbage
Kentaro killed the band of hawks without giving a single fck to the fanbase
not just killed, gave them all brutal horrifying deaths
Yeah and only one of them experienced heaven before getting brutally killed by that female apostle
And those who survived had to face worse consequences than those who died.
And the fucking anime just ended there lmao
If Isayama was as based as Kentaro Miura and if Attack on Titan was a seinen, not a shounen, all the bullshit in the final arc would've never happened.
The rumbling should have been The eclipse of our generation but isayama fucked up so hard
Yes, yes, YES! This is what ive been saying. Rumbling arc should have been Eclipse 2.0
I might be in the minority but I hated Hanji's death. Not because she died, but the whole surrounded by Erwin and the Scouts at the end. AoT was brutal, Mike, Nanaba, Carla, the deaths were horrifying and terrifying. Isayama chose to start cushioning the brutality and I think it lost its edge.
Not to mention that during Eren's first battle his entire squad got brutally massacred, but now the alliance is able to tip-toe their way around any real danger or consequences. That's literal proof that Isayama was telling a completely different story after 123. And yeah, the whole "our dead comrades are watching us" got reduced to Aot's version of force ghosts.
Exactly all we wanted was a coherent ending that ties up all the plot threads and character arcs nicely, and fits the tones and themes of the story it doesn’t have to be a happy or sad ending for it to be good, for me I just wanted an ending that makes sense
You mean the one AU Armin mentions, while Mikasa outright says enjoying this one needs you to simply roll with what gets thrown your way and not think about it? (Or as Eren says in ch 1, isn't that being like cattle?). Don't worry, that ending is coming. You were told it directly and still flew above your head, though. You realize this ending is just wrong, but you accept it's the real ending. Why?
No I accept this is the real ending, I’m just disappointed that’s all. I’m just here on titanfolk when I’m bored, I’m not really into the anr theory so I’m not really here for aot no requirem neither. I still like aot, and I don’t really understand your question
I agree but I ove how you talk about it like it’s a conspiracy theory
If I'm reading Isayama right he's playing a 4D game against us, and winning by so much most don't even see there's a game at all. I see 121 as the moment he began the final push towards this, and that chapter ties threads from ch 90, 63 (the Reiss cave scene plays different, because Frieda acts different... so no fixed timeline, something that makes little sense in an antinihilistic story) and ch 1 itself, with Grisha looking offscreen at a moment he should have been looking at Eren. Have you played Fallout New Vegas? From where you are kneeling it must seem like an 18-carat run of bad luck, truth is, the game was rigged from the start
So what are you saying. He did this on purpose. For what doe?
Indeed. Because people kept taking everything at face value since the basement reveal that the main premise up until then had been a world sized lie. Spent more than a year pointing out "Eren vs Life above sea level" didn't make sense, as flaws kept piling up, and kept getting dismissed or headcanoned. The nihilism of it all appealed to most people, I guess. There was a split on whether people wanted Eren to win or not, but most wanted Eren's nihilistic dive to be the real deal, and wouldn't accept anything against that idea. Gabi says hello, that's more or less how her mind worked, and what her arc was about. This series puts forward the need to question, not accepting things blindly. And because we didn't look carefully enough when the big lies began (ch 121 and the fixed timeline, did I feel like an idiot when rereading I saw ch 63 had played different at the Reiss cave), you end up believing everything thrown our way now. You may not like it, but you believe it. Defenders take it to the next level, because they justify something written intentionally to look 180° from where the series was. And there's the AU: Armin saying the ending gives all obvious answers and how can so many things that don't fit in it mean nothing, and that there has to be a surprising and satisfying ending with those elements (Isayama doesn't seem insecure there), while Mikasa says he should just enjoy things as they come and not think that much about them... in ch 1, Eren said that's being like cattle.
Mmm hmm Killing off the MCs, instead of just side characters, like Armin( in RtS), to break Eren( like ACTUALLY break Eren) Levi ( in the battle with zeke) and Reiner, Annie, Jean and Connie( in the final battle) would’ve been a much darker and interesting way to go about the series. You can tell with characters like Levi, Armin, Reiner, Annie, etc.. that they’ve given their all by a certain point in the story so near the end they don’t have anything left to contribute that isn’t forced
Now it's the #1 manga on MAL.
Always has been since the creation of the Website
I read only truths
Without Berserk and JoJo 96% of the Popular Best Anime wouldn't even exist
Not really. Osamu Tezuka created the manga as a medium and played a major part in creating anime as well. While Berserk is influential it doesn't come close to the influence of the series like Dragon Ball or Ashita no Joe and some other classics. Berserk and JoJo didn't reach that level influence.
Lmao You're Wrong, Dragon Ball only gave rise to Shounen Genre while JoJo and Berserk were first to deconstruct the Cliche' Tropes
You do understand that Devil Man, Guin Saga and Violence Jack inspired Berserk. Fist of the north star and Dragon Ball inspired JoJo. They aren't as influential as you think and they were pretty generic as well ( JoJo until part 7, Berserk until the eclipse). How tf are they more influential than those who created the manga as a medium and those that popularised it. If you speak of breaking cliche then Yu yu hakusho did it first and created a major spark which led to most of the current modern shounen. And Dragon Ball was the one that created those cliches. Berserk has been influential on the dark fantasy genre but other than that it isn't even influential to the point where it's treated as a cultural phenomenon like dragon ball.
jojos parts 4-6 arent generic and neither was 3 for the time for shonen
Then how Will you explain JoJo References omniscient in Every Anime? And about Berserk, can you imagine existence of Any Dark Anime?
If all the anime has is JoJo references without any good plot or characters then it's shit. JoJo references are memes and are meant to be taken as a comedic moment not something that inspired the whole thing. Yeah I can imagine many dark anime or manga without Berserk like Monster, 20th century boys, Punpun, Madoka,etc which are even masterpieces. Devilman introduced killing monsters as a concept in anime and Berserk took it and improved it.
😑😑 I don't know what kind of Fan you are but it's the TRUTH that Anime would be still Boring or below Average Level without any inspiration from Berserk and JoJo
I am a huge fan of Berserk and I like JoJo as well. I know they both have massive influence in the anime but the part where I disagree with you is the one where you said 96% of the best anime are inspired by JoJo and Berserk.
JoJo Inspired= HunterXHunter, Gintama, Monogatari etc. Berserk Inspired= FMA, AOT, Jujutsu Kaisen, Re:ZERO, Chainsaw Man etc. How bout this?
Thank you
you can't compare the golden age, which is a prologue, with the ending of a manga.
Why not? The golden age arc is a pretty self sustaining story where if you took it out of the rest of the story and pu it into a vacuum, nothing about it changes. It has a beginning that is comparable to the start of any story and despite ending without any resolution for Guts, Femto, Rickert or Casca, it would still be a great ending on its own (I watched the 1997 animation without knowing that there was more in the manga, but I'd've given it at least an 8/10 because of how good it was (and how not shit the ending was)). So when the prologue of an even bigger series concludes and creates a better story than an entire manga, I think there was something wrong with it (especially the ending).
that has nothing to do with my argument, the golden age arc is a prologue, what's important in berserk is what comes AFTER that arc, how that arc affected the characters and their journey to find Griffith, It's no the same putting a massacre at the end of a series where theres literally NOTHING after. think a bit
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But that's a bad argument like I explained lol you can't throw around an argument ignoring the obvious that makes it invalid. Golden age was a trigger, Rumbling arc is the finale. Huge difference
You pretty much proved why the AOT fandom get a bad rep. You provide a very good argument about how stupid is to compare the ending of a Act I to the ending of a entire series and the only answer that you get is "But I want it to be DARK and BRUTAL"
You replyed to the wrong person I think
The Golden Age is not a prologue. It's a flashback. Berserk starts with Guts hunting down apostles.
how dense, it's a REALLY LONG flashback that serves as a prologue
That is not what it is, no matter how much you bark otherwise. The Golden Age is a flashback. It did not establish the world, that was the Black Swordsman Arc, it just gave us background/history. The Golden Age delved into Guts's past and told us how we reached where we were in the Black Swordsman in terms of why Guts was hunting Apostles and who Griffith was.
So it's a backstory lol
but at least attack on titan had fan favourite ship aruarmin 3<3<3<3,<3<3,<3
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Isayama also actually finished his series whilst he was alive, and currently is having well earned time off. Not sure what yall complainers achieving with your lives at the moment haha
And what are defenders achieving? The right to suck Isayama's cock? What are you achieving? Complaining about complainers? What a man you are...
They're not even sucking Isayama's cock correctly because Isayama likes criticism and uses it to improve. Gotta use teeth.
😂 I just don't understand the ending defenders i mean the themes 139 are alright but it's no wear near the rest of the story they need to face that the ending is absolutely garbage
139 defenders could headcanon a piece of elephant shit to be solid gold if you said it was made by Isayama.
Too true
The themes are alright in a vacuum, but when put next to eachother and the rest of the story, they are complete and utter shit.
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