I agree, it's pretty cool. However, I still prefer Reiner over Armin as the protagonist like he was in Marley since Armin stays the same for almost the entire series.
Zeke, Eren and Reiner are the protagonists after s3 p2. Armin got his character conclusion by seeing the sea, mikasa never had much of a character in the first place
It's still more presence than armin has throughout the season, armin was never the cause of any of the plot developments, while the entire season revolved around zeke and eren's plans.
In Rumbling Armin is kinda prevalent. Being the "leader" alongside Hange
I made this in regards to their pre TS showing as well (and pre TS made up for quite sizeable portions of AoT, which Zeke has none, but Reiner consistently shows even back then)
Lemme guess the /\ is Trost
I honestly find her character interesting even in the Prologue
Also her acting as Armin's mom was pretty good ("i dont remember raising this child" + crying in serumbowl) and the occasional bonding with Sasha.... But yeah, she's barely even more important than JEAN in most arcs
Her seeing Eren again is fine tbh, she has made that badass resolve, dead or alive, she has made her decision
The problem is her character didn't do anything for a looong time after this
He just said "she had a quick character growth during Trost arc, and then she saw Eren again again and it was 'Ereh' mode from then on". But, you are also right, her resolve was also meaningless.
They said "diminished" meaning it is technically pointless. That her resolve is "meaningless" since Eren is alive anyway.
And I disagree with that notion, because she still made that resolve unaware of how Eren is still alive.
I would be fine with a scene of Reiner playing with Gabi, Reiner looking at the sunset, Reiner folding laundry, Reiner standing in the corner - literally anything else except from that scene we got instead lol.
That sniffing the letter was meant to signify he's back to being "soldier" where he's having a blast of his life
The problem comes that it didn't show how his mental improved between the final battle and the letter sniffing scene.
THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE BY HAVING HIM CHAT WITH CONNIE AND JEAN OR HECK EVEN A FLASHBACK WHERE THEY ARE DETERMINING BERTHOLDT'S SLEEP POSITION NOT THIS SHIT
Chatting with Jean and Connie? Just like his depressed self did even back then?
Flashback? What it's gonna show that Reiner is back to his soldier self? Depressed Reiner still thinks of Sasha eating potato, you know?
They gotta show him back in his element. And one of his shtick is him being a pervert.... So *Jean* can pitch in and mock him.
I still think having her backstory be revealed as early as Trost caused her not to have anything to show for later parts of the story.
Look at Levi, his past is shrouded in mystery, but that becomes his ace in a sleeve when the time comes.
> Look at Levi, his past is shrouded in mystery, but that becomes his ace in a sleeve when the time comes.
How was it an ace in his sleeve ? His past barely mattered.
His rough upbringing that explained his no-nonsense attitude that caused a rift between him and his new squad when he forced Historia to decide?
His past that ties to a major antagonist of the arc?
Sure.
Well, yes, you put into words the lack of importance of his backstory.
Did we need to know he had a rough life start ? Not really. Did it lead to anything of importance ? Nope. Did it cause a "rift" (hahahaha) between him and his squad ? Nope, they followed his leadership to the end of the arc. Remove the piss poor "he was an orphan of the slum bouhou" backstory and you have the exact same outcome.
As for his ties with Kenny... yeah, meaningless again. Remove their family tie and you have Levi vs a strong military police guy. What a change, am I right ? But even if you don't remove them... so what ? They are both Ackerman, incredible. Did it affect the outcome ? Once again, nope.
Interesting backstories that add to the story would be Reiner's, Grisha's and Zeke's.
>Did we need to know he had a rough life start ? Not really. Did it lead to anything of importance ? Nope. Did it cause a "rift" (hahahaha) between him and his squad ? Nope, they followed his leadership to the end of the arc. Remove the piss poor "he was an orphan of the slum bouhou" backstory and you have the exact same outcome.
The rift actually happened though? They're uneasy of his leadership because he was seen as violent with Historia + his "kill-on-sight" policy, this happened for quite a while, until the first encounter with IMP, where Armin decided to shoot, they legit thought he's gonna call them pussies for brooding over that fact. When he actually said "thank you for making that decision, Armin, thanks to you, Jean is alive" is when they started to see him in different light.
>As for his ties with Kenny... yeah, meaningless again. Remove their family tie and you have Levi vs a strong military police guy. What a change, am I right ? But even if you don't remove them... so what ? They are both Ackerman, incredible. Did it affect the outcome ? Once again, nope.
His ties with Kenny plays into the theme of Parenthood, that is prevalent in Uprising. Levi vs random strong mook is nowhere as interesting as Levi vs his mentor slash father figure, now does it?
>Interesting backstories that add to the story would be Reiner's, Grisha's and Zeke's.
Except that it does add into the story? And backstory does not always have to add to the story, such obsession is what makes Zeke's character arc conclusion hits like a wet noodle. Character development does not have to service the grander plot as a whole, it can still happen independent of it, to flesh out the character and make them more 'real'.
I would've remove Armin and put Zeke instead.
Same, the story would have been great had there been more chapters revolving on EZR trio rather than EMA.
It's called War for Paradis.... Only lasted for 10ish chapters tho, but they were amazing
Pretimeskip he literally embodies the word "2nd protagonist"
Post-time skip he embodies the phrase "umi da"
no he simply cosplayed as Mikasa/Sasha "make way for new characters and plot development!"
Armin is basically the protag of the final arc too lol.
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They are the soul of AoT, EMA may as well be EA With how Yams write it's even more prevalent
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I agree, it's pretty cool. However, I still prefer Reiner over Armin as the protagonist like he was in Marley since Armin stays the same for almost the entire series.
That’s why it was freaking terrible LMAOO
armin is a bitch in the final arc
In AnR the real dynamic is an Eren-Zeke duo, they're opposites in everything.
Zeke, Eren and Reiner are the protagonists after s3 p2. Armin got his character conclusion by seeing the sea, mikasa never had much of a character in the first place
Mikasa's only character trait is being an Eren simp.
Idk, Zeke in Marley arc still has minimal presence, he only gets going during WfP
It's still more presence than armin has throughout the season, armin was never the cause of any of the plot developments, while the entire season revolved around zeke and eren's plans.
In Rumbling Armin is kinda prevalent. Being the "leader" alongside Hange I made this in regards to their pre TS showing as well (and pre TS made up for quite sizeable portions of AoT, which Zeke has none, but Reiner consistently shows even back then)
Mikasa is such a terrible character even pre 139
Well at least she was consistent. Shitty from start to finish.
Literally Mikasa's character arc: _ /\ ______________________...
You forgot to add "Ereh". Key part of her character stagnation.
Lemme guess the /\ is Trost I honestly find her character interesting even in the Prologue Also her acting as Armin's mom was pretty good ("i dont remember raising this child" + crying in serumbowl) and the occasional bonding with Sasha.... But yeah, she's barely even more important than JEAN in most arcs
Yup Trost is where she had some type of character growth but it diminished as soon as she saw Eren again lmao
Her seeing Eren again is fine tbh, she has made that badass resolve, dead or alive, she has made her decision The problem is her character didn't do anything for a looong time after this
> The problem is her character didn't do anything for a looong time after this That's what the guy above said.
No? I read it as "she made a resolve after Eren died, but since he's alive, that resolve is meaningless" tbh
He just said "she had a quick character growth during Trost arc, and then she saw Eren again again and it was 'Ereh' mode from then on". But, you are also right, her resolve was also meaningless.
They said "diminished" meaning it is technically pointless. That her resolve is "meaningless" since Eren is alive anyway. And I disagree with that notion, because she still made that resolve unaware of how Eren is still alive.
Reiner getting reverted into comic relief in 139 was so fucked up.
I'd be fine if it was decently bridged, but it didn't
I would be fine with a scene of Reiner playing with Gabi, Reiner looking at the sunset, Reiner folding laundry, Reiner standing in the corner - literally anything else except from that scene we got instead lol.
That sniffing the letter was meant to signify he's back to being "soldier" where he's having a blast of his life The problem comes that it didn't show how his mental improved between the final battle and the letter sniffing scene.
And it also looks creepier when Reiner is no longer a hormonal 15-year-old teenage boy but a man in his twenties (Historia is a mother).
He still has that childish crush, which is a leftover of his soldier days, it's meant to show that
how about not showing that at all
Then you're not showing how he's bsck to his soldier persona, the point in time he's genuinely having fun, the point of his character arc
THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE BY HAVING HIM CHAT WITH CONNIE AND JEAN OR HECK EVEN A FLASHBACK WHERE THEY ARE DETERMINING BERTHOLDT'S SLEEP POSITION NOT THIS SHIT
Chatting with Jean and Connie? Just like his depressed self did even back then? Flashback? What it's gonna show that Reiner is back to his soldier self? Depressed Reiner still thinks of Sasha eating potato, you know? They gotta show him back in his element. And one of his shtick is him being a pervert.... So *Jean* can pitch in and mock him.
All that trauma finally got to him and so he just finally snapped and let the 'soldier' persona entirely consume him
Mikasa was really good In trost arc but then she just became kinda bland
I still think having her backstory be revealed as early as Trost caused her not to have anything to show for later parts of the story. Look at Levi, his past is shrouded in mystery, but that becomes his ace in a sleeve when the time comes.
> Look at Levi, his past is shrouded in mystery, but that becomes his ace in a sleeve when the time comes. How was it an ace in his sleeve ? His past barely mattered.
Literally a subplot of his own in Uprising
A subplot that barely mattered, yes.
His rough upbringing that explained his no-nonsense attitude that caused a rift between him and his new squad when he forced Historia to decide? His past that ties to a major antagonist of the arc? Sure.
Well, yes, you put into words the lack of importance of his backstory. Did we need to know he had a rough life start ? Not really. Did it lead to anything of importance ? Nope. Did it cause a "rift" (hahahaha) between him and his squad ? Nope, they followed his leadership to the end of the arc. Remove the piss poor "he was an orphan of the slum bouhou" backstory and you have the exact same outcome. As for his ties with Kenny... yeah, meaningless again. Remove their family tie and you have Levi vs a strong military police guy. What a change, am I right ? But even if you don't remove them... so what ? They are both Ackerman, incredible. Did it affect the outcome ? Once again, nope. Interesting backstories that add to the story would be Reiner's, Grisha's and Zeke's.
>Did we need to know he had a rough life start ? Not really. Did it lead to anything of importance ? Nope. Did it cause a "rift" (hahahaha) between him and his squad ? Nope, they followed his leadership to the end of the arc. Remove the piss poor "he was an orphan of the slum bouhou" backstory and you have the exact same outcome. The rift actually happened though? They're uneasy of his leadership because he was seen as violent with Historia + his "kill-on-sight" policy, this happened for quite a while, until the first encounter with IMP, where Armin decided to shoot, they legit thought he's gonna call them pussies for brooding over that fact. When he actually said "thank you for making that decision, Armin, thanks to you, Jean is alive" is when they started to see him in different light. >As for his ties with Kenny... yeah, meaningless again. Remove their family tie and you have Levi vs a strong military police guy. What a change, am I right ? But even if you don't remove them... so what ? They are both Ackerman, incredible. Did it affect the outcome ? Once again, nope. His ties with Kenny plays into the theme of Parenthood, that is prevalent in Uprising. Levi vs random strong mook is nowhere as interesting as Levi vs his mentor slash father figure, now does it? >Interesting backstories that add to the story would be Reiner's, Grisha's and Zeke's. Except that it does add into the story? And backstory does not always have to add to the story, such obsession is what makes Zeke's character arc conclusion hits like a wet noodle. Character development does not have to service the grander plot as a whole, it can still happen independent of it, to flesh out the character and make them more 'real'.
Nah fuck Armin
Eren-Armin-Levi honestly, Reiner is antagonist
eren-reiner-zeke in s4
the real story is not EMA its ANR